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Agencies Underpay CSRs, Overpay Producers, Argues Consultant Bates at 1752 Club Meeting

East News • April 19, 2004
The reason independent agencies struggle to attract customer service representatives (CSRs) is that agencies just do not pay them enough. Instead,agencies overpay their producers. Consultant ...

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Subject: RE: RE: V.Bates article

Posted On: April 20, 2004, 1:34 pm CDT
Posted By: Carolyn
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Having started on the retail agency side as first a CSR and later as an account manager, I would tend to agree that for the most part CSR's are underpaid. However, excellent CSR's in our marketplace are not. There will always be a competition for outstanding account managers and they are paid what the market will bear, and are actively stolen away when they are not.
In addition there will always be the marginally and less than experienced CSR's who have to learn and think 4 yrs exp. is alot. It isn't. Now being a Underwriter for a General Agency, I am finally being compensated but it was a long haul and for a while I too was making less than the CSR.
One important thing to remember is when a CSR makes a error or a premium mistake, the Producer has to fix it or compensate the insured for the error, and guess where it comes from?? It comes from our commission, it doesn't come from the CSR's salary. The last time I had an assitant trained I ate about $5000 in errors.
The retail producer if they are successful works long hours, also listens to the problems of the insured, and prospects the client. Yes the CSR and account manager maintains that relationship, but it is the producer who initially makes the prospect and brings the insured to the agency. It's hard, its soul renching sometimes and if you have to cold call, you don't get paid until you make the sale. The CSR get's paid regardless. A producer bears the expense of prospecting, entertaining , mailing, phone and auto expense of driving up front.
I think the assumption is that the producer doesn't value the CSR, and sometimes that may be true, but a great producers rewards their support staff, with both professional praise, and monatary support--if they are smart. Often the CSR doesn't see or value what a producer does, the long hours, often not compensated, and the loss of a client. The soft market reaked havoc on many a good producers' book of business, the hard market and or loss of current markets is doing the same, but the CSR's salary is not effected as a Producers' are. The CSR also doe not take into account often when they look at their salary vs the producers, is the skyrocketing cost of E & O insurance, and other factors that the agency has to pay. Contingency works both ways, losses factor into that formula for contingency for both the agency and the market. And let us not forget the greatest area of expense, especially in California, the cost of benefits and workers comp. Running an agency is certainly profitable, but you have to know what you are doing and always work to keep the expenses down, that in itself is a full time job.
I think a CSR is the front line of our industry, and yes I agree for the most part they are undercompensated, but depending on the marketplace, it is a reflection of what the market will bear.

I try to take my support staff to lunch at least once an month, I argue for their pay increases and I set goals for them. When they meet our goal they are part of my bonus structure with managment.

I don't agree with the us vs them mentality and try to foster a mentoring atmosphere. My training of my account exec and csr helps me grow my book and helps them establish themselves a producers, which is good for everyone.

Part of thet growing of the book includes "gifting" them part of my book as theirs as they move into production.

Having come from where they are now the hardest thing to overcome was the idea that I was going nowhere. By fostering mentoring, they grow, my book grows, and become theirs and the agency grows. Along with that growth, comes the increase in their salary.

It works, it's hard and not everyone gets it, but it is awesome when it does.
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RE: RE: HOW MUCH TO PAY THE PRODUCER???-Response to Kathy kok
Apr 26, 2004, 2:47 pm
To "Been There Done That" Mark
Apr 22, 2004, 7:54 am
Response to Tracy
Apr 22, 2004, 6:53 am
Response to "Been there done that", unrelated to article Tracy
Apr 21, 2004, 4:10 pm
Been There Done That
Apr 21, 2004, 2:25 pm
RE: article Been there done that
Apr 21, 2004, 1:00 pm
CSR's Underpaid
Apr 20, 2004, 10:28 pm
Service Sells Not Just A CSR
Apr 20, 2004, 10:08 pm
Compensation Worries DMC
Apr 20, 2004, 6:19 pm
To Carolyn Jan Jesberger
Apr 20, 2004, 2:26 pm
RE: RE: V.Bates article Carolyn
Apr 20, 2004, 1:34 pm
Response to "Wayne" Theresa
Apr 20, 2004, 1:12 pm
RE: RE: RE: V.Bates article Marsha McLaurin, CPCU
Apr 20, 2004, 11:07 am
RE: To: Lisa Golden Jan Jesberger
Apr 20, 2004, 10:25 am
To: Lisa Golden & Matt Karen
Apr 20, 2004, 8:59 am
V Bates Producer Compensation/CSR Compensation Karen
Apr 20, 2004, 8:52 am
CSR's Underpaid by Agency Mary
Apr 20, 2004, 8:48 am
To: Lisa Golden Matt
Apr 20, 2004, 1:53 am
RE: this is to faye abdul
Apr 19, 2004, 9:10 pm
CSR's VS Producers Robert
Apr 19, 2004, 8:44 pm
RE: Underpaid CSR'S abdul
Apr 19, 2004, 8:43 pm
RE: RE: RE: HOW MUCH TO PAY THE PRODUCER??? jay-sims
Apr 19, 2004, 8:04 pm
RE: RE: HOW MUCH TO PAY THE PRODUCER??? Jay sims
Apr 19, 2004, 8:02 pm
RE: V.Bates article Faye
Apr 19, 2004, 5:17 pm
RE: V.Bates article Thomas Wright
Apr 19, 2004, 5:03 pm
RE: RE: V.Bates article Jack J Maniscalco
Apr 19, 2004, 4:14 pm
RE: RE: V.Bates article Julius
Apr 19, 2004, 4:07 pm
RE: HOW MUCH TO PAY THE PRODUCER??? Kathy
Apr 19, 2004, 3:46 pm
RE: RE: RE: V.Bates article - by the Robin
Apr 19, 2004, 2:58 pm
RE: V.Bates article Wayne
Apr 19, 2004, 2:55 pm
RE: Underpaid CSR'S Rodger
Apr 19, 2004, 2:52 pm
Underpaid CSR'S Lisa Golden
Apr 19, 2004, 2:39 pm
RE: Compensation Bob
Apr 19, 2004, 2:38 pm
overpaid cobbs nixon
Apr 19, 2004, 8:15 am
Producer vs. CSR Compensation Mark
Apr 19, 2004, 7:57 am
Compensation Matt
Apr 19, 2004, 3:16 am
RE: RE: V.Bates article - by the "producer" CSR
Apr 16, 2004, 3:43 pm
RE: V.Bates article Producer
Apr 16, 2004, 3:25 pm
Producers Over Paid Producer
Apr 16, 2004, 3:20 pm
Producers are overpaid! SALVATORE LUNDY
Apr 16, 2004, 3:05 pm
RE: V.Bates article --right on! Ann
Apr 16, 2004, 2:44 pm
HOW MUCH TO PAY THE PRODUCER??? KEVIN
Apr 16, 2004, 2:35 pm
RE: RE: More to this Theresa
Apr 16, 2004, 1:43 pm
Equal pay for important jobs Jessica Lee
Apr 16, 2004, 1:39 pm
RE: RE: More to this Matt
Apr 16, 2004, 1:37 pm
RE: More to this Robert
Apr 16, 2004, 1:27 pm
More to this Bob
Apr 16, 2004, 1:08 pm
RE: V.Bates article Theresa
Apr 16, 2004, 1:01 pm
Underpaid CSRs Beth
Apr 16, 2004, 12:55 pm
RE: RE: V.Bates article Kelsey Wood
Apr 16, 2004, 12:43 pm
CSR's Underpaid / Producers Overpaid Laura
Apr 16, 2004, 12:35 pm
RE: V.Bates article K Grimsley
Apr 16, 2004, 8:51 am
V.Bates article "Underpay CSR's,Overpay Producers" Louise D. Neigel
Apr 16, 2004, 7:04 am
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