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Va. Judge Dismisses Drunk Driving Cases as Unconstitutional
East News October 17, 2005
A Fairfax County judge who believes Virginia's drunken driving laws are unconstitutional has resumed his practice of dismissing all DWI cases brought into his court, leaving prosecutors unable to ...
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| dismiss D.W.I. charges ! | Marcus | Jul 17, 2009, 6:11 pm |
| RE: dismiss D.W.I. charges ! | Bob | Dec 22, 2007, 3:42 pm |
| RE: : DUI Judge | JoJo | Nov 28, 2007, 3:46 pm |
| RE: Sandstrom v. Montana | whatever | Aug 16, 2007, 1:22 pm |
| RE: RE: Wow...what's next? | jojo | Jul 3, 2007, 4:39 pm |
| RE: Wow...what's next? | JoJo | Jul 2, 2007, 6:31 pm |
| RE: RE: JUI | jb samuel | Dec 17, 2005, 2:50 am |
| a few comments | N.Va. defense lawyer | Oct 31, 2005, 2:46 pm |
| RE: Sandstrom v. Montana | Allison | Oct 24, 2005, 5:47 pm |
| Sandstrom v. Montana | J.D. | Oct 22, 2005, 6:38 am |
| RE: Still missing the point | George | Oct 19, 2005, 9:01 am |
| Still missing the point | Chris | Oct 19, 2005, 7:40 am |
| RE: RE: RE: JUI | Virginia | Oct 18, 2005, 3:17 pm |
| RE: RE: JUI | rate maker | Oct 18, 2005, 1:38 pm |
| RE: JUI | Edward Priz | Oct 18, 2005, 10:46 am |
| RE: dismiss D.W.I. charges ! | Mike Perin | Oct 17, 2005, 6:05 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: A bigger Problem Exists - What??? | Chris | Oct 17, 2005, 2:47 pm |
| RE: RE: A bigger Problem Exists - What??? | Mary | Oct 17, 2005, 2:02 pm |
| RE: A bigger Problem Exists - What??? | Chris | Oct 17, 2005, 12:59 pm |
| RE: dismiss D.W.I. charges ! | FMKELLER | Oct 17, 2005, 12:35 pm |
| RE: A bigger Problem Exists | FMKELLER | Oct 17, 2005, 12:33 pm |
| RE: DUI Judge | FM KELLER | Oct 17, 2005, 12:30 pm |
| DUI Judge | Jimbo | Oct 17, 2005, 11:53 am |
| What a Moron | Christian | Oct 17, 2005, 11:40 am |
| Wow...what's next? | Arthur Ciszek | Oct 17, 2005, 11:39 am |
| What's in a name | Cut the Crud | Oct 17, 2005, 11:39 am |
| A bigger Problem Exists | Ray | Oct 17, 2005, 10:48 am |
| RE: dismiss D.W.I. charges ! | Rate Maker | Oct 17, 2005, 9:49 am |
| dismiss D.W.I. charges ! | William M Dikant | Oct 17, 2005, 5:46 am |
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Subject: RE: A bigger Problem Exists - What???
There is money and lobbying involved, but you are looking at the wrong tree to bark at. Maybe you've forgotten where these "presumption of drunkenness" laws came from; MADD, the political, excuse me, victims' rights lobbying group that spreads lots of campaign dollars and threats. And, let's remember that the various states have passed these laws mostly because Congress passed a law that says that any state that didn't pass such a law would lose its highway funding. Again, another MADD project.
The presumption of drunkenness statutes are anything but vague, and that isn't the issue here. I hate to say it, because I don't like drunk drivers either, but it sounds like the judge is on firm constitutional grounds in his reasoning. If the .08 were a rebuttable presumption, instead of an irrefutable presumption, maybe this would fly. But, by making it irrefutable, the law does remove the defendant's right to present evidence in his defense; it does eliminate the need for the government to prove facts beyond a reasonable doubt before taking property (fines) and liberty (jail time). That does appear to make the law in conflict with our U.S. Constitution, and with the court case referred to.
I always hate to hear the slippery slope argument, but what happens when the next lobbying group makes the next mere presence of a single element of an otherwise legal act an irrefutable presumption of guilt of a crime that may not actually have happened? Like, say, being arrested for owning a handgun even though you haven't shot anyone with it, because that lobbying group, with all good intentions of stopping handgun crime, goes a bit overboard.
Then what?