Posted On: May 15, 2006, 10:13 am CDT

Posted By: Barney

> Are you saying Jesus didn't know whether she was an adulteress?

Of course He knew. As God the Law of Moses didn't apply to Him, but as man He had to keep it in order to fulfill all righteousness. The Law required two or more witnesses, and forbade (in Deut. somewhere) that one could not testify in a case when he is guilty of the same thing. We might call this the Hypocrisy Law. Since these men did not bring her partner, and were apparently adulterers all, they realized that the jig was up and they had been exposed by a prophet.

>"I always thought He refused to condemn her on the principle that he who is without sin should cast the first stone. You know, Judge not, lest ye be judged? This is one of His most important teachings, and pretty much the whole point of why I continue to type away here."

Remember, Jesus told the woman, "Go and sin no more." He didn't say that it was no one's business. Would you take Him to task for labeling her behavior as sin? In Mt. 7:1 he said, "Judge not, lest ye be judged," then in Mt7:6 He said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." How can one tell the difference between a dog and a swine w/o judging? Jesus said "Judge righteous judgment," meaning consonant with God's Law and with a clear conscience in regard to it. What is ultimately the goal is the prevention of hypocrisy.

St. Paul also condemned all manner of evil practice, including sodomy, so obviously pardoning sin is not to be confused with excusing it. There is no need to excuse what has been repented of, for it has therefore also been confessed.

> "As you well know, there is only one unpardonable sin: rejecting God. There are no others."

I rejected God until He called me out of darkness. Apparently, rejecting Him is not the pardonable sin. I mean, why send missionaries after people who have rejected God? In fact, Mt.21:31 & Mark 3:29 tell us what the unpardonable sin is, "And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven." It is attributing evil to God.

> "You don't get to define homosexual behavior as a de facto rejection of God, because it is only one sin among many which anyone could select to be bad enough to equate to rejecting God. Therefore, you can't assume that any practicing homosexual has rejected God or been rejected by Him. Your harsh judgment of homosexuals puts you in jeopardy (Romans 2:1)"

See the Scripture quoted above in which the actual unpardonable sin is stated. Since you are wrong on that count you are wrong on this one as well. St. Paul condemned sodomy as well.

> It matters not to me what you believe to be true, or whom you believe to be evil – even though I disagree with your interpretations of the Bible, I wholeheartedly support your right to believe whatever you want. But it makes a big difference to me on what basis our laws are decided, interpreted and enforced. Whether you like it or not, we are governed by the Constitution, not the Bible. If the Founding Fathers had wanted us to refer to the Bible when making and interpreting our laws, they could have easily included explicit references in the Constitution. They didn't. If you don't like the way our laws force you to treat gays, there are plenty of Islamic dictatorships that might be more to your liking. They hate gays as much as you seem to, but their people really get to have fun with their hatred.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Congress of the United States of America, July 4, 1776.

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." -John Jay, First Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and co-author of the Federalist Papers.

"The American population is entirely Christian, and with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations with it." -John Marshall, Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court from 1801-1835.

"The real object of the [First] Amendment was not to countenance, much less advance, Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity by prostrating Chrisianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects." "Christianity becomes not merely an auxiliary, but a guide, to the law of nature; establishing its conclusions, removing its doubts, and evaluating its precepts." Joseph Story, Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court 1811-1845, founder of Harvard Law School.

"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." -James Madison, fourth President of the United States.

The founders forgot all of this when they ratified the Constitution, "In the year of our Lord, 1789"?

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the State itself as an instrument of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." –Roger Baldwin, Unitarian, Founding Director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

We could go on and on like this, but you get the picture. Once people start equating a debating partner with the Nazis or the Taliban it is an admission of defeat. You lose.

> Voltaire said, "Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." Here's to continued searching and learning.

The nurse who sat with Voltaire on his deathbed swore that she would never attend the death of another atheist, so horrible was his fear of death and loathing of God. I'm not surprised that you admire him.

I am really done. Go away. Repent and believe the gospel.