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Michigan Court Upholds Ban on Credit Scoring in Insurance

Midwest News • August 25, 2008
Insurance companies in Michigan no longer will be able to use customers' credit scores to set home and auto insurance premiums if a state Court of Appeals ruling stands. The 2-1 decision released ...

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Subject: RE: RE: Lower rates for some?

Posted On: August 25, 2008, 3:36 pm CDT
Posted By: Dawn
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Yes, banks have been using credit scores for decades. BUT- when you're sitting in front of a loan officer and they are showing you low credit scores due to a specific period in your life that you were late on a few payments, you actually have the opportunity to say
"My grandfather died suddenly and I had to pay $4000 of his funeral" or "We were hit by Hurricane Frances then Jeanne- we didn't work for 6 weeks" (as I have had both over the last 4 years) or "that bill on TU is paid, check the Equifax report- it's correct" or "that bill is the same one that appears three times on TU, twice on Equifax, and once on TRW- and is shown as paid on ONE of the Equifax reports - since the insurance finally paid it as they should have in the first place (that was a hospital bill for the birth of my son that was coded wrong and not paid for over a year)

If those few months are the only periods you're showing as a risk, you still tend to get better rates then if they are strictly taking your score as a factor.

I agree with the posters on this board that feel if the credit scores are SO important, they should at least give you the chance to discuss their findings. Credit card companies decide based only on scores, but you don't NEED credit cards. You have to have insurance and things that you have no control over shouldn't penalize you.

Divorce, death or illness in the family, identity theft, health insurance being slow to pay, natural disaster, any number of reasons that you might fall behind for a short period of time can cause your credit score to drop. I actually transferred my high interest rate card to a low interest rate card and cancelled the high rate card. My credit score DROPPED for three months. Didn't miss a payment. Didn't 'lose' the card. I called and cancelled it because the interest rate was too high. I had to 'miss' a mortgage payment when my grandfather died. Needed the money for the funeral. My mortgage company allowed me to add $200 a month the subsequent payments until it was paid. No late fees, but my credit score took a massive hit, even though I paid every penny as agreed.

IF they would actually bother to find out the details behind a credit score, I'd be more inclined to agree with the posters that swear by credit score underwriting. I do agree that a HISTORY of late or no pays does indicate a high risk factor. But the whole "You're score is bad, you're going to pay more" without any recourse is just aimed at higher premiums.

You could have a credit rating of 850 for 5 years, then you miss payments for a month due to an emergency, your credit score drops to 600 even if you make double payments the next month and catch up. Does that mean you're a bad risk? Does that mean you should be penalized for the next year?
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... caveat emptor
Aug 28, 2008, 9:28 am
this sentence is the problem caveat emptor
Aug 28, 2008, 9:19 am
rates Einstein
Aug 27, 2008, 3:39 pm
Credit Scoring Garry Lloyd
Aug 27, 2008, 3:19 pm
RE: RE: Reality? Challenged Creditee
Aug 27, 2008, 1:48 pm
RE: RE: Reality? Einstein
Aug 26, 2008, 11:37 am
RE: Reality? Ratemaker
Aug 26, 2008, 11:31 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? - B Ratemaker
Aug 26, 2008, 11:29 am
RE: Reality? nobody important
Aug 26, 2008, 11:09 am
Reality? Einstein
Aug 26, 2008, 10:57 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? nobody important
Aug 26, 2008, 10:23 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? B
Aug 26, 2008, 10:01 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? nobody important
Aug 26, 2008, 9:58 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Dawn
Aug 26, 2008, 9:20 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? nobody important
Aug 26, 2008, 8:53 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Dawn
Aug 26, 2008, 8:41 am
Dear underwriter Einstein
Aug 25, 2008, 8:05 pm
RE: RE: Firm Numbers Underwriter
Aug 25, 2008, 5:09 pm
RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Reality
Aug 25, 2008, 3:40 pm
RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Dawn
Aug 25, 2008, 3:36 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Nobody Important
Aug 25, 2008, 2:31 pm
Analyst Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 2:03 pm
RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Analyst
Aug 25, 2008, 1:59 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... No Bias Here
Aug 25, 2008, 1:51 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... John Scrader
Aug 25, 2008, 1:36 pm
RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Einstein
Aug 25, 2008, 1:35 pm
RE: RE: Try Another Approach Esad
Aug 25, 2008, 1:31 pm
RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 1:29 pm
RE: Lower rates for some? Analyst
Aug 25, 2008, 1:17 pm
RE: Try Another Approach Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 1:11 pm
RE: RAD Esad
Aug 25, 2008, 1:01 pm
Try Another Approach Think Differently
Aug 25, 2008, 1:00 pm
RE: RAD Reality
Aug 25, 2008, 12:59 pm
RAD Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 12:50 pm
RE: RE: Firm Numbers Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 12:48 pm
RE: Firm Numbers RAD
Aug 25, 2008, 12:47 pm
RE: RE: Firm Numbers Logical
Aug 25, 2008, 12:45 pm
RE: Firm Numbers Agree
Aug 25, 2008, 12:33 pm
RE: Firm Numbers Larry Erickson
Aug 25, 2008, 12:26 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... Larry Erickson
Aug 25, 2008, 12:20 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? SWFL Mark
Aug 25, 2008, 12:05 pm
RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 11:28 am
RE: RE: Lower rates for some? nobody important
Aug 25, 2008, 11:25 am
RE: Lower rates for some? Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 11:20 am
Firm Numbers Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 11:16 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... John Scrader
Aug 25, 2008, 11:10 am
Lower rates for some? low rate payer
Aug 25, 2008, 11:05 am
RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... nobody important
Aug 25, 2008, 10:09 am
RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... Ratemaker
Aug 25, 2008, 10:01 am
RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 9:35 am
RE: The problem with credit scoring.... nobody important
Aug 25, 2008, 9:15 am
GEICO & PGR Direct Rick
Aug 25, 2008, 9:00 am
The problem with credit scoring.... John Scrader
Aug 25, 2008, 8:34 am
Great State nobody important
Aug 25, 2008, 7:23 am
not "reasonably expected?!?!?!" Ratemaker
Aug 25, 2008, 7:06 am
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