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Michigan Court Upholds Ban on Credit Scoring in Insurance

Midwest News • August 25, 2008
Insurance companies in Michigan no longer will be able to use customers' credit scores to set home and auto insurance premiums if a state Court of Appeals ruling stands. The 2-1 decision released ...

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Subject: RE: RE: Firm Numbers

Posted On: August 25, 2008, 5:09 pm CDT
Posted By: Underwriter
Comment:
Credit scoring is merely another tool to help companies splice and dice consumer risks. The point was made earlier in the thread about how someone who has no accidents and no tickets is suddenly a worse risk because he has poor credit. Statements like this miss the point entirely.

Credit is one rating factor - like the car you drive, your gender, marital status, driving record, and where you garage your car. Is someone with a clean driving record, a Honda Accord, and a nice suburban neighborhood (but with poor credit) a bad risk? No. But he is a worse risk than someone with a clean driving record, a Honda Accord, a nice suburban neihborhood, and great credit.

In the old days of insurance (a whopping 10 years ago), there was one price for insurance. The price was set in the middle of the driver pool - basically the "average" rate to establish profitability. The result is that good drivers paid more, subsidizing the not-so-good drivers. Poor drivers got to pay relatively less because the "average" price was less than their fair share of the losses.

In recent years, insurance companies have developed very sophistocated models that evaluate dozens of factors, alone and in combination with another factors. The result is that there are, literally, hundreds (and sometimes thousands) of pricing points. The average customer pays less per policy on average now than they did five years ago - all of the data show that average and above-average drivers benefit from having a variety of rating factors. By limiting a company's ability to splice risks, the direct result is that good drivers have to subsidize the not-so-good drivers again.

I am also disturbed with the statements about discriminating against the poor with credit rating. That implies that people with low incomes are inherently incapable of managing their money. Poor credit is color blind, and it's blind to socio-economic factors. If anything, people who roll the dice and try to start small businesses are more likely to be hit hard with credit issues.

I also understand people are concerned about identity theft showing up on a credit report - customers can always ask the insurance company not to use credit to score a policy. A simple phone call - potentially a copy of the fraud report from a credit bureau - and the situation can be resolved.

The end result for Michigan will be higher prices in a state that is already being squeezed economically.
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... caveat emptor
Aug 28, 2008, 9:28 am
this sentence is the problem caveat emptor
Aug 28, 2008, 9:19 am
rates Einstein
Aug 27, 2008, 3:39 pm
Credit Scoring Garry Lloyd
Aug 27, 2008, 3:19 pm
RE: RE: Reality? Challenged Creditee
Aug 27, 2008, 1:48 pm
RE: RE: Reality? Einstein
Aug 26, 2008, 11:37 am
RE: Reality? Ratemaker
Aug 26, 2008, 11:31 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? - B Ratemaker
Aug 26, 2008, 11:29 am
RE: Reality? nobody important
Aug 26, 2008, 11:09 am
Reality? Einstein
Aug 26, 2008, 10:57 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? nobody important
Aug 26, 2008, 10:23 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? B
Aug 26, 2008, 10:01 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? nobody important
Aug 26, 2008, 9:58 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Dawn
Aug 26, 2008, 9:20 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? nobody important
Aug 26, 2008, 8:53 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Dawn
Aug 26, 2008, 8:41 am
Dear underwriter Einstein
Aug 25, 2008, 8:05 pm
RE: RE: Firm Numbers Underwriter
Aug 25, 2008, 5:09 pm
RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Reality
Aug 25, 2008, 3:40 pm
RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Dawn
Aug 25, 2008, 3:36 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Nobody Important
Aug 25, 2008, 2:31 pm
Analyst Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 2:03 pm
RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Analyst
Aug 25, 2008, 1:59 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... No Bias Here
Aug 25, 2008, 1:51 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... John Scrader
Aug 25, 2008, 1:36 pm
RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Einstein
Aug 25, 2008, 1:35 pm
RE: RE: Try Another Approach Esad
Aug 25, 2008, 1:31 pm
RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 1:29 pm
RE: Lower rates for some? Analyst
Aug 25, 2008, 1:17 pm
RE: Try Another Approach Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 1:11 pm
RE: RAD Esad
Aug 25, 2008, 1:01 pm
Try Another Approach Think Differently
Aug 25, 2008, 1:00 pm
RE: RAD Reality
Aug 25, 2008, 12:59 pm
RAD Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 12:50 pm
RE: RE: Firm Numbers Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 12:48 pm
RE: Firm Numbers RAD
Aug 25, 2008, 12:47 pm
RE: RE: Firm Numbers Logical
Aug 25, 2008, 12:45 pm
RE: Firm Numbers Agree
Aug 25, 2008, 12:33 pm
RE: Firm Numbers Larry Erickson
Aug 25, 2008, 12:26 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... Larry Erickson
Aug 25, 2008, 12:20 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? SWFL Mark
Aug 25, 2008, 12:05 pm
RE: RE: RE: Lower rates for some? Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 11:28 am
RE: RE: Lower rates for some? nobody important
Aug 25, 2008, 11:25 am
RE: Lower rates for some? Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 11:20 am
Firm Numbers Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 11:16 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... John Scrader
Aug 25, 2008, 11:10 am
Lower rates for some? low rate payer
Aug 25, 2008, 11:05 am
RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... nobody important
Aug 25, 2008, 10:09 am
RE: RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... Ratemaker
Aug 25, 2008, 10:01 am
RE: RE: The problem with credit scoring.... Mr. Solvent
Aug 25, 2008, 9:35 am
RE: The problem with credit scoring.... nobody important
Aug 25, 2008, 9:15 am
GEICO & PGR Direct Rick
Aug 25, 2008, 9:00 am
The problem with credit scoring.... John Scrader
Aug 25, 2008, 8:34 am
Great State nobody important
Aug 25, 2008, 7:23 am
not "reasonably expected?!?!?!" Ratemaker
Aug 25, 2008, 7:06 am
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