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Consumer Group Accuses Geico of Unfair Underwriting Practices

National News • March 21, 2006
A U.S. consumer group has made claims that Geico Corp. uses rate-making methods that directly base eligibility and premiums solely upon the educational background and occupation of consumers. The ...

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Subject: The low-down on rating practices

Posted On: March 27, 2006, 5:59 pm CST
Posted By: Underwriter
Comment:
I am an underwriting manager at a large insurer -- I haven't heard from any other underwriters, so thought I could at least provide insight about this debate.

First off -- the color of the vehicle is NOT used in underwriting, rate-making or tier/market placement.

Secondly -- education, occupation, your credit bureau information, your driving history, type of vehicle you drive, whether or not you own/rent, where you live and how far you commute daily are only a portion of the dozens of rating factors.

Thirdly -- those rating factors are used when your policy is issued. In other words, they determine what tier and market your policy falls into. They are not used when your policy renews. Very few rating factors actual influence your renewal premium; most certainly, education and occupation are not among those that are used. Your driving history, changes in credit (and usually only positive changes), and specific rating factors (vehicles, residence location etc,) are those that will count in the future.

Fourth -- each company has a proprietary blending of the individual rating factors. I am making up numbers here because the actual formulas are known by only a select few indivuals at each company; one company might say that credit is only 5% while another says it's 2.5%. One company might weight driving record at 15%, another at 11.67%. Each company puts together a rating package that is based upon its actual loss experience.

Fifth -- the average American thinks that his insurance agent is his insurance company. Most Americans do believe that the color of their car affects their premiums. Most Americans refuse to understand the implication of "claims padding" and other fraudulent activites.

From my experience, the more data that are used in calculating premiums, the better companies can splice and risk. The more segmentation there is, the more accurately companies can determine premium. It is a good thing for the consumer. In the "old" days, insurance companies knew they had good risks and they had not as good of risks. They had one price for everybody and the folks who deserved a lower premium paid for the folks who didn't.

Every piece of information an insurance company uses is based upon statistical analysis and claims experience. A trucker with a high school education who has a clean driving record will get a better rate than a medical doctor with a accidents/tickets every single time.

Shame on this consumer group for trying to stir folks into a frenzy. Shame on you if you fell for it.
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RE: RE: RE: Geico- unfair rates get over it
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: LOL - LOL - LOL Big Mike in CALI
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Geico- unfair rates Dame "SMART" Dummy
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RE: RE: Geico- unfair rates Dame 'SMART" Dummy
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RE: RE: RE: Geico- unfair rates Agent
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RE: RE: Geico- unfair rates dame "SMART" dummy
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RE: Geico- unfair rates Agent
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Mar 29, 2006, 8:07 am
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Mar 29, 2006, 7:39 am
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Mar 28, 2006, 5:59 pm
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Mar 28, 2006, 2:21 pm
ok in response again Connie
Mar 28, 2006, 2:15 pm
RE: The low-down on rating practices Underwriter2
Mar 28, 2006, 1:05 pm
The low-down on rating practices Underwriter
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RE: Eric's response Connie
Mar 27, 2006, 4:11 pm
RE: RE: RE: Geico Rating Practices Eric
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Mar 27, 2006, 3:00 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Color rating House
Mar 27, 2006, 2:51 pm
RE: Color rating MAG
Mar 23, 2006, 2:21 pm
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Mar 23, 2006, 12:01 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: Color rating Hal
Mar 23, 2006, 11:04 am
RE: RE: RE: Color rating Me
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RE: RE: Color rating REDRATER
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RE: Color rating Al
Mar 23, 2006, 9:23 am
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Mar 23, 2006, 9:18 am
MAG Al
Mar 23, 2006, 9:04 am
RE: MAG MAG
Mar 23, 2006, 9:02 am
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Mar 23, 2006, 8:43 am
RE: No comments on Bob Hunter???? Hunted
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RE: RE: RE: RE: UNTIE MAG
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RE: Blonde Hair People Are A Lower Risk? Schwartzer
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Depends on your choice of market. HAL
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Book smarts vs. street smarts phooey
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RE: RE: RE: RE: UNTIE TXGuru
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RE: GEICO Rating Rules Vince
Mar 22, 2006, 3:26 pm
RE: Questioning rating philosphy Connie
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Mar 22, 2006, 3:21 pm
RE: RE: Geico Rating Practices Connie
Mar 22, 2006, 3:20 pm
RE: Geico Rating Practices Louie
Mar 22, 2006, 3:11 pm
RE: RE: RE: UNTIE John
Mar 22, 2006, 2:50 pm
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Mar 22, 2006, 2:37 pm
RE: RE: UNTIE MAG
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Mar 22, 2006, 2:27 pm
RE: Geico Rating Practices REDRATER
Mar 22, 2006, 2:26 pm
RE: The Lizard and rates bob
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RE: Now It Makes Sense!! ArmyEx
Mar 22, 2006, 2:22 pm
RE: RE: UNTIE MAG
Mar 22, 2006, 2:21 pm
RE: HA HA HA HA Connie
Mar 22, 2006, 2:21 pm
HA HA HA HA Hal
Mar 22, 2006, 2:18 pm
RE: Geico Rating Practices Analyst
Mar 22, 2006, 2:17 pm
Geico Rating Practices Connie
Mar 22, 2006, 2:13 pm
Now It Makes Sense!! Big Mike in CALI
Mar 22, 2006, 2:13 pm
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RE: UNTIE HA!
Mar 22, 2006, 1:43 pm
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Mar 21, 2006, 6:31 pm
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