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Federal Judge in Mississippi 'Storm Surge' Case Upholds Home Insurance Flood Exclusion

National News • April 13, 2006
A federal judge in Mississippi has upheld the water damage exclusion in homeowners insurance policies in a ruling welcomed by insurers. U.S. District Judge L.T. Senter, Jr. of the Southern ...

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Subject: RE: Allstate Insider -AS 'Knowingly Underpay Every Claim'

Posted On: May 7, 2006, 5:53 pm CDT
Posted By: Martha Kirwin
Comment:
Gentlemen,

I have been an adjuster for six years. Having grown up with a homebuilder and insurance agent for parents, it was a natural choice after grad school. Until December '05, I worked for a large catastrophe adjusting firm. My husband and I worked together while traveling the country, earning a fabulous income, and meeting extraordinary people. Prior to 2004 I experienced very few instances of practices by insurers that I would have labeled negligent, illegal, or deceptive. In general, most insurers appeared to have an interest in settling claims quickly and fairly within the boundaries of their contracts. In order to achieve good will, I have seen insurers pay for losses(food replacement, etc.) that were not legitimatly covered under the policy. During this period, one of the most difficult aspects of my job was explaining coverage to the insureds. After grad school, I took a three week, 120-hour course on policy coverage, after which I felt as though I had obtained an acceptable level of understanding on how to interpret property coverage language. Yet, on many occasions thereafter, I made mistakes. It soon became evident that the vast majority of policy holders had an extremely limited knowledge of their coverages. Not surprising, given that they do not take three week courses. In 100% of the scenarios in which I have adjusted losses, the insureds were either surprised to learn that some portion of their property was not covered or limited to some degree below that which they understood to be limited. Prior to 2004 however, these situations did not typically result in tragic outcomes for the insureds. In each instance, I encouraged the insureds to contact their agents for clarification and recommendations for updating or upgrading their coverages.

Unfortunately, beginning with the four hurricanes in 2004, claims adjusting practices have changed dramatically. Suddenly, roofs, carpets, awnings, and a litany of other trades are no longer allowed to be considered for Overhead and Profit by many insurers. Taxes and O&P are no longer are part of the calculation for ACV. We "negotiate" different prices with individual insureds as if we were purchasing an automobile. My neighbor might have been paid $1400 per Square for the same roof that I was only allowed $900 from the same insurer. To my astonishment, I have come to know that most of the claims that I have adjusted were estimated with a price database that is 70-110% below actual market pricing. And worse, these people who I left "knowing" that I had worked diligently to find all the coverage available to them, were taking the proceeds of those claims and settling for those amounts. The majority had no inclination that they had alternatives or could file supplements or dispute in any manner, the amounts of the settlements.
Needless to say, after two years of struggling with the ever increasing restraints and borderline illegal practices to which I was forced to impose on these uninformed consumers, I resigned my position as an independent adjuster.

In December of 2005, I opened a public adjusting firm in South Florida. Now, we experience on a daily basis the abhorrent practices of insurance companies and those adjusters who represent them. Understand that it is my position that there are companies that handle their claims quickly, precisely, and professional in total compliance with the contract. However, those companies are in the vast minority. Last week, we filed a Civil Remedy on behalf of one of our clents siting 19 violations of statutes by one of the largest insurers in the state. My firm is representing over 300 clients currently and this is our current statistical compilation:

287 claims open in excess of 180 days.

143 in violation of at least five Florida statutes relating to adjusting practices.

These numbers represent staggering figures. On the average, we collect 293% more money from the insurance companies than was estimated originally and we achieve this by using the same adjusting practices that I have used for six years.

Mr. Poe, on behalf of those in this profession who take pride in said profession, I will apologize on behalf of these representatives of our industry, who with obvious disdain and disregard for the wide-spread consequences of their arrogance and flagrantly, biased disrespect for their insureds, contractors, attorneys or any others who oppose or even call into question their righteousness, honor, or the finality of their opinions. Their defensive, territorial chest-beating and sophomoric, belittling statements are a clear indication of exactly why consumers need protection. Whether or not your business practices are ethical is completely beyond my discernment; however, I appreciate your seemingly sincere interest and dedication to making a difference in our industry.
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RE: Roger Poe don
Nov 18, 2009, 3:21 pm
JAMES... RE: Good Hands...My ***- Justice 4 All
Nov 1, 2006, 1:59 am
RE: Good Hands...My ***- James
Nov 1, 2006, 12:50 am
Good Hands...My ***- Justice 4 All
Oct 8, 2006, 1:33 am
RE: Is it legal for a GC to charge OH/Profit on an Ins Premi Roger Poe
Oct 6, 2006, 1:11 pm
Is it legal for a GC to charge OH/Profit on an Ins Premium? Mike
Jun 1, 2006, 12:13 pm
To NKN - Tony - Commenting Is Archived...Forever Roger Poe
May 19, 2006, 12:00 pm
NKN and Tony. Please note, I'm not Martha Kirwin. ClaimHawk
May 19, 2006, 8:10 am
RE: RE: Insurers and adjusters are playing with consumers. Tony
May 18, 2006, 10:25 pm
RE: Charles - Some Records That May Help You And Others Tony
May 18, 2006, 10:19 pm
RE: RE: Insurers and adjusters are playing with consumers. Tony
May 18, 2006, 10:05 pm
RE: Insurers and adjusters are playing with consumers. NKN
May 18, 2006, 9:57 pm
Charles - Some Records That May Help You And Others Roger Poe
May 18, 2006, 8:15 pm
RE: Insurers and adjusters are "abusing" claiments. Charles
May 18, 2006, 6:49 pm
Market Conduct Check List For Allstate-Travelers-State Farm Roger Poe
May 18, 2006, 6:25 pm
RE: Insurers and adjusters are playing with consumers. Roger Poe
May 18, 2006, 5:18 pm
Insurers and adjusters are playing with consumers. ClaimHawk
May 18, 2006, 3:57 pm
RE: RE: Tony - Have You Ever Owned A Construction Business? Tony
May 18, 2006, 1:25 am
RE: Tony - Have You Ever Owned A Construction Business? Roger Poe
May 17, 2006, 6:43 pm
RE: Tony - Have You Ever Owned A Construction Business? Tony
May 17, 2006, 4:55 pm
Tony - Have You Ever Owned A Construction Business? Roger Poe
May 17, 2006, 3:43 pm
RE: Tony - Honorable Insurers-Adjusters Know What Is Truely Tony
May 17, 2006, 2:50 pm
Tony - Honorable Insurers-Adjusters Know What Is Truely Fair Roger Poe
May 17, 2006, 12:40 am
RE: True Replacement Costs Depreciated = ACV Mark H
May 16, 2006, 8:35 pm
RE: Mark H - True Replacement Costs Depreciated = ACV Tony
May 16, 2006, 6:59 pm
RE: RE: Tony - Insurers DO Underpay Claims...In Many Ways Tony
May 16, 2006, 6:28 pm
Mark H - True Replacement Costs Depreciated = ACV Roger Poe
May 16, 2006, 6:22 pm
RE: Tony - Insurers DO Underpay Claims...In Many Ways Mark H
May 16, 2006, 12:14 pm
RE: Allstate Insider -AS 'Knowingly Underpay Every Claim' Martha Kirwin
May 7, 2006, 5:53 pm
Tony - Insurers DO Underpay Claims...In Many Ways Roger Poe
Apr 29, 2006, 8:41 pm
RE: To Tony-From Roger Poe - Partial Facts & False Impressio Tony
Apr 28, 2006, 8:58 pm
To Tony-From Roger Poe - Partial Facts & False Impressions Roger Poe
Apr 28, 2006, 8:17 am
RE: To Mark H- We can afford to pay above the water line + Tony
Apr 28, 2006, 12:55 am
RE: Thanks, Tony Tony
Apr 28, 2006, 12:44 am
Thanks, Tony Charles
Apr 27, 2006, 11:22 pm
To Mark H- We can afford to pay above the water line + Katrina Survivor
Apr 27, 2006, 2:13 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: KUDOs to Roger & Survivor - To Mark Tony
Apr 21, 2006, 6:02 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: KUDOs to Roger & Survivor - To Mark Charles
Apr 21, 2006, 5:31 pm
RE: RE: RE: KUDOs to Roger & Survivor - To Mark Mark H
Apr 21, 2006, 1:18 pm
RE: RE: KUDOs to Roger & Survivor - To Mark Roger Poe
Apr 19, 2006, 1:17 pm
RE: RE: GOOD HANDS...MY ***! To -Ed Yukashun Roger Poe
Apr 19, 2006, 12:31 pm
RE: QUESTION ON FLOOD - Questions... Roger Poe
Apr 19, 2006, 12:19 pm
RE: KUDOs to Roger & Survivor Mark H
Apr 19, 2006, 7:46 am
KUDOs to Roger & Survivor Mrs. LB
Apr 19, 2006, 3:12 am
RE: GOOD HANDS...MY ***! Ed Yukashun
Apr 18, 2006, 5:40 pm
GOOD HANDS...MY ***! Katrina Survivor
Apr 18, 2006, 4:26 pm
RE: RE: RE: Roger Poe/Allstate Mark
Apr 18, 2006, 12:30 pm
RE: RE: Roger Poe/Allstate "pulling out" of FLA Charles
Apr 18, 2006, 10:23 am
RE: Roger Poe Gloria
Apr 18, 2006, 3:13 am
Roger Poe Mark
Apr 17, 2006, 8:22 pm
RE: Allstate Insider -AS 'Knowingly Underpay Every Claim' Charles
Apr 17, 2006, 8:15 pm
QUESTION ON FLOOD Hal
Apr 17, 2006, 7:07 pm
RE: To Southern Agent - From Roger Poe Roger Poe
Apr 17, 2006, 4:43 pm
To Roger Southern Agent
Apr 17, 2006, 2:58 pm
RE: Roger Poe - To Jay Roger Poe
Apr 17, 2006, 10:07 am
RE: RE: Rodger -To Hal & Mark H Hal
Apr 17, 2006, 9:41 am
RE: Rodger -To Hal & Mark H Roger Poe
Apr 17, 2006, 9:20 am
Roger Poe jay
Apr 17, 2006, 8:50 am
RE: RE: Rodger - From Roger Poe Mark H
Apr 15, 2006, 5:04 pm
RE: Rodger - From Roger Poe Roger Poe
Apr 15, 2006, 10:43 am
Rodger Bob
Apr 15, 2006, 7:36 am
RE: RE: po po roger Mark H
Apr 14, 2006, 7:12 pm
RE: po po roger semper gumby (always flexible)
Apr 14, 2006, 3:41 pm
RE: Did they pay for wind? D
Apr 14, 2006, 3:29 pm
Did they pay for wind? Jim
Apr 14, 2006, 2:05 pm
quit pickin' on Roger Fore Tune Teller
Apr 14, 2006, 1:41 pm
RE: RE: Allstate ruling (and Roger P.) Mark H
Apr 14, 2006, 1:31 pm
A win for the good guys! Oklahoma Agent
Apr 14, 2006, 1:19 pm
RE: Allstate ruling Hal
Apr 14, 2006, 1:13 pm
Allstate ruling insray
Apr 14, 2006, 1:06 pm
counsel Dr. Men Tal
Apr 14, 2006, 10:12 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Allstate Insider -AS 'Knowingly Underpa Mark
Apr 14, 2006, 10:07 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: Allstate Insider -AS 'Knowingly Underpay Ev Bob
Apr 14, 2006, 9:48 am
RE: RE: RE: Allstate Insider -AS 'Knowingly Underpay Every Hal
Apr 14, 2006, 8:59 am
RE: RE: Allstate Insider -AS 'Knowingly Underpay Every Clai Andy
Apr 14, 2006, 8:30 am
RE: Allstate Insider -AS 'Knowingly Underpay Every Claim' Jay
Apr 14, 2006, 7:35 am
Allstate Insider -AS 'Knowingly Underpay Every Claim' Roger Poe
Apr 13, 2006, 9:29 pm
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