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Key Federal Katrina Ruling Favoring Homeowners Surprises Industry
National News January 12, 2007
In a Hurricane Katrina claims decision that surprised the insurance industry, a federal judge ruled that State Farm did not provide sufficient evidence to prove what damage to a Mississippi ...
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| Subject | Posted By | Posted On |
|---|---|---|
| State Farm settled out of court Jan 19, 2007 | HOMEOWNER Insured w/State Farm | Jan 19, 2007, 10:02 pm |
| Stand United: Before the next Katrina | Kim David | Jan 19, 2007, 7:34 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: fair | Chad Balaamaba | Jan 19, 2007, 4:32 pm |
| feel felt found | gill fin | Jan 19, 2007, 2:57 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: fair | Linda | Jan 19, 2007, 2:10 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: fair | chad balaamaba | Jan 19, 2007, 11:52 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: fair | Kat | Jan 19, 2007, 11:27 am |
| RE: RE: RE: fair | Chad Balaamaba | Jan 19, 2007, 11:20 am |
| RE: RE: fair | Linda | Jan 19, 2007, 10:58 am |
| RE: fair | Chad Balaamaba | Jan 19, 2007, 10:48 am |
| fair | ML | Jan 19, 2007, 10:01 am |
| Chad: Was the Driver Insured by State Farm? | State Farm A Bad Neighbor | Jan 16, 2007, 4:09 pm |
| SF in comtempt in OK class action | Katrina Victim | Jan 16, 2007, 3:57 pm |
| Insurance Gridlock | Ross Perot | Jan 16, 2007, 11:05 am |
| Katrina Ruling | Ray Balaamababa | Jan 16, 2007, 10:57 am |
| This reminds me of my last visit to Wal-Mart | Chad Balaamaba | Jan 16, 2007, 10:50 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Wasn't On the Jury | Jan 16, 2007, 12:52 am |
| RE: RE: RE: How much? | Other References | Jan 16, 2007, 12:45 am |
| RE: Anti-Concurrent Causation Clause | Gulf Visitor | Jan 15, 2007, 11:29 pm |
| RE: You can't be bullies with a contract of adhesion | Gulf Visitor | Jan 15, 2007, 11:20 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Gulfport Visitor | Jan 15, 2007, 11:06 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: Punitve Damages & Actual Damages? | Gulfport Visitor | Jan 15, 2007, 11:03 pm |
| RE: RE: How much? | Gulf Visitor | Jan 15, 2007, 10:59 pm |
| RE: How much? | Read Policy Language | Jan 15, 2007, 9:48 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Punitve Damages & Actual Damages? | Blame the Company | Jan 15, 2007, 9:40 pm |
| RE: Send Them to IRAQ + Bring Our Americans Home | Gulf Visitor | Jan 15, 2007, 7:41 pm |
| How much? | Gulf Visitor | Jan 15, 2007, 7:16 pm |
| World Book Encyclopedia: Katrina worst in USA history | State Farm Policy Holder | Jan 15, 2007, 4:51 pm |
| RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Rick Frazier | Jan 15, 2007, 4:41 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Bear Fan | Jan 15, 2007, 4:31 pm |
| RE: RE: Punitve Damages & Actual Damages? | Common Sense has left you??? | Jan 15, 2007, 2:42 pm |
| RE: Punitve Damages & Actual Damages? | Read the Article | Jan 15, 2007, 10:55 am |
| RE: State Fm Policy: No Wind, No Water but 2 Deductibles | fmkeller | Jan 15, 2007, 8:01 am |
| Send Them to IRAQ + Bring Our Americans Home | Pirates of Snake Farm | Jan 15, 2007, 2:16 am |
| State Fm Policy: No Wind, No Water but 2 Deductibles | State Farm Homeowner | Jan 15, 2007, 1:58 am |
| To: KAY State Farm said... It Was All Water | Bay St. Louis HOMEOWNER | Jan 15, 2007, 1:20 am |
| RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Kay | Jan 14, 2007, 11:55 pm |
| Punitve Damages & Actual Damages? | Gulf Visitor | Jan 14, 2007, 5:11 pm |
| RE: Justice Has Been Done | thefactsmatter | Jan 13, 2007, 4:13 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Anti-Concurrent Causation Clause | thefactsmatter | Jan 13, 2007, 4:11 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Anti-Concurrent Causation Clause | drudy | Jan 13, 2007, 3:20 pm |
| RE: RE: Anti-Concurrent Causation Clause | Four Ways Forward | Jan 13, 2007, 2:08 pm |
| RE: Justice Has Been Done | Rate Fixer | Jan 13, 2007, 1:09 pm |
| Justice Has Been Done | State Farm Policy Holder | Jan 13, 2007, 12:13 pm |
| RE: RE: Anti-Concurrent Causation Clause | boonedoggle | Jan 13, 2007, 11:58 am |
| RE: Anti-Concurrent Causation Clause | thefactsmatter | Jan 13, 2007, 8:02 am |
| RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Homeowner USA | Jan 13, 2007, 12:42 am |
| RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Katrina Survivor | Jan 13, 2007, 12:32 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Punitive Damages | Jan 12, 2007, 11:52 pm |
| RE: Anti-Concurrent Causation Clause | Clarity Missing | Jan 12, 2007, 11:42 pm |
| RE: Smart Insuror | St. Fine Print | Jan 12, 2007, 10:26 pm |
| RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Gulf visitor | Jan 12, 2007, 9:06 pm |
| RE: Katrina ruling | Robert T Blessing | Jan 12, 2007, 8:13 pm |
| Katrina Ruling | Smart Insurer | Jan 12, 2007, 6:48 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | boonedoggle | Jan 12, 2007, 6:29 pm |
| RE: Katrina Ruling | Exclusivity | Jan 12, 2007, 5:26 pm |
| Katrina Ruling | Mike | Jan 12, 2007, 5:12 pm |
| RE: Katrina Ruling | dd | Jan 12, 2007, 4:27 pm |
| Problem solved | Linda | Jan 12, 2007, 3:55 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | ernie | Jan 12, 2007, 3:38 pm |
| RE: Katrina Ruling | wgw | Jan 12, 2007, 3:37 pm |
| Coastal RE | marty | Jan 12, 2007, 3:34 pm |
| Coastal RE | good point | Jan 12, 2007, 3:24 pm |
| RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Mark | Jan 12, 2007, 3:07 pm |
| Anti-Concurrent Causation Clause | Mark | Jan 12, 2007, 2:51 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Dennis | Jan 12, 2007, 2:44 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Marty | Jan 12, 2007, 2:13 pm |
| Nationwide homeowner insurance rates. | Rate Fixer | Jan 12, 2007, 2:07 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling - correct to NOT need Punitive | Rich | Jan 12, 2007, 2:05 pm |
| RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Rich | Jan 12, 2007, 2:01 pm |
| RE: Katrina Ruling | Marty | Jan 12, 2007, 1:53 pm |
| RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Public Adjuster | Jan 12, 2007, 1:49 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Linda | Jan 12, 2007, 1:46 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | NM Bill | Jan 12, 2007, 1:44 pm |
| RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Public Adjuster | Jan 12, 2007, 1:35 pm |
| You can't be bullies with a contract of adhesion | media mogul | Jan 12, 2007, 1:33 pm |
| RE: Katrina Ruling | Inside Looking Out | Jan 12, 2007, 1:31 pm |
| RE: Katrina Ruling | Misty Meanor | Jan 12, 2007, 1:26 pm |
| Katrina ruling | Richard Hartzen | Jan 12, 2007, 1:22 pm |
| RE: Katrina Ruling | GG | Jan 12, 2007, 1:21 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Waiting for scientific fact | Jan 12, 2007, 1:17 pm |
| RE: Katrina Ruling | Jeff Dixon | Jan 12, 2007, 1:14 pm |
| Katrina ruling | Not Surprised | Jan 12, 2007, 1:11 pm |
| RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | Ignorance times 12 | Jan 12, 2007, 1:05 pm |
| Wow, another crappy story with no facts | Smitty | Jan 12, 2007, 1:02 pm |
| Katrina Ruling | Public Adjuster | Jan 12, 2007, 12:58 pm |
| RE: RE: Katrina Ruling | M D Huntley | Jan 12, 2007, 12:54 pm |
| RE: Katrina Ruling | Pat | Jan 12, 2007, 12:51 pm |
| RE: Katrina Ruling | Melissa | Jan 12, 2007, 12:47 pm |
| Katrina Ruling | Florida Resident | Jan 12, 2007, 12:37 pm |
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Subject: RE: RE: RE: How much?
Quoting from the New York Times:
[Begin Quote]
After Hurricane Katrina, State Farm and other insurers balked at paying claims, arguing that much of the damage to houses was caused by flooding, which is not covered by a typical homeowner policy. Many insurers also contended that if any damage to a home had come from water, it nullified the basic coverage for wind damage.
Judge Senter agreed in a ruling that the insurers were not obligated to pay for flood damage. But he said that when both wind and water damaged or destroyed a house, it was the burden of the insurance company to prove how much of the loss was because of water and pay for any wind damage.
A clerk for Judge Senter said in a telephone interview from Gulfport that experts for State Farm acknowledged in court documents that some damage to the Broussard's home had come from wind. But, he said, "they did not offer evidence during trial" showing how much of the damage was from water and how much from wind, as Judge Senter had required.
Ultimately, he said, the judge ruled that State Farm was liable for all the damage because the insurer had not provided enough evidence "the jury could use to segregate" the wind from the water damage.
[End Quote]
Quoting the Associated Press:
[Begin Quote]
State Farm and other insurers say their homeowner policies cover damage from wind but not from water, and that the policies exclude damage that could have been caused by a combination of both, even if hurricane-force winds preceded a storm's rising water.
Senter, however, ruled that State Farm couldn't prove that Katrina's storm surge was responsible for all of the damage to the Broussards' home. The judge also said the testimony failed to establish how much damage was caused by wind and how much resulted from storm surge.
[End Quote]
One point both articles make in different ways -- insurers claimed their concurrent causation clauses applied to damage that "could have" been caused by either excluded water or covered wind. But none of the concurrent causation clauses I've seen actually say that -- they exclude damage that *was* caused by the excluded peril. "could have been" and "was" are two very different standards of evidence.