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Risk Managers Take Strong Stand Against Contingent Commissions

National News • May 30, 2007
The largest association of commercial insurance buyers has stepped-up its opposition to the acceptance of contingent compensation by any agent or broker, calling such compensation "an inherent ...

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Subject: RE: Not in their best interest

Posted On: May 30, 2007, 4:01 pm CDT
Posted By: Tom Myers
Comment:
The part that troubles me is "Failure to disclose such arrangements runs counter to the spirit of partnership that risk managers seek to achieve with their brokers, vendors, and insurers."

Partnerships? OMG, you may have to get outside of your comfort zone and contact another broker? Heaven forbid. Bottom line...if you don't trust your current vendor to get you the most competitive price for the most comprehensive coverage, then it's time to switch vendors.

I am a small, main-street independent agent and I disagree with the notion that contingencies cause a conflict of interest. The contingencies make sure I don't start placing marginal business (read: overly susceptible to loss) in preferred companies. I don't have the ability, due to competition, to "bid rig" or steer business. Many of my competitors have the same companies as I and the companies give everyone the same quote.
I do not deal with risk managers because the companies I insure are smaller.

While I agree that the bid-rigging/steering scandal that happened is unethical and greedy, I lay much of the blame on the highly paid, highly educated risk managers that allowed them to get away with it simply because they were too lazy/busy to contact another broker/company for alternative quotes. This is what your being paid for RIMS members...if you don't understand the insurance business, then you can't do your job effectively.
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Letter to Risk Managers Roscoe
Jun 1, 2007, 4:46 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What's the right way? Risk Manager in Florida
Jun 1, 2007, 1:28 pm
Let's step back and take a look at this... James S.
Jun 1, 2007, 11:56 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What's the right way? RNR_Risk
Jun 1, 2007, 11:30 am
RIMS should stay out of compensation debate Seeman Waranch
Jun 1, 2007, 10:55 am
Risk Mgrs heads are in the sand Eric Bolding
Jun 1, 2007, 8:47 am
RE: CONTINGENT COMPENSATION merrill keller
Jun 1, 2007, 7:57 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: What's the right way? Risk Manager in Florida
Jun 1, 2007, 6:16 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What's the right way? PLJ
Jun 1, 2007, 3:49 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: What's the right way? TX
Jun 1, 2007, 2:20 am
RE: RE: RE: What's the right way? RNR_Risk
Jun 1, 2007, 12:40 am
RE: RE: RE: Third-Party Audits(tell me no) PLJ
Jun 1, 2007, 12:27 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: Contingent Commisions(tell me no) PLJ
Jun 1, 2007, 12:24 am
RE: RE: Third-Party Audits In Favor of Audits
May 31, 2007, 9:17 pm
RE: RE: RE: Contingent Commisions Please Tell Me, No
May 31, 2007, 9:07 pm
RE: RE: Contingent Commisions PLJ
May 31, 2007, 9:03 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: CONTINGENT COMPENSATION TX
May 31, 2007, 8:25 pm
RE: RE: What's the right way? TX
May 31, 2007, 7:52 pm
Premium Finance - Agency Fee Income on financing Fly on Wall
May 31, 2007, 7:46 pm
RE: Contigent Commisions jim
May 31, 2007, 7:06 pm
RE: What's the right way? RNR_Risk
May 31, 2007, 6:09 pm
What's the right way? Vince
May 31, 2007, 5:53 pm
Are you kidding me? Risk Adverse
May 31, 2007, 3:04 pm
RE: Third-Party Audits RM in NC
May 31, 2007, 2:57 pm
RE: RE: If we really wanted to see change... Whirling
May 31, 2007, 2:50 pm
RE: RE: RE: CONTINGENT COMPENSATION Risk Manager in Florida
May 31, 2007, 2:35 pm
Willis's position mike
May 31, 2007, 2:07 pm
RE: Contingent Commisions Contingent CEO's
May 31, 2007, 1:47 pm
Contingent Commisions Kevin C. McAdams
May 31, 2007, 1:17 pm
RE: RE: CONTINGENT COMPENSATION Clark Minton
May 31, 2007, 1:04 pm
how risk managers should pay for services Jim
May 31, 2007, 1:00 pm
Semantics CB
May 31, 2007, 11:26 am
Third-Party Audits Chris at DHH Consulting
May 31, 2007, 11:09 am
RE: Lazy Risk Managers mainemiss
May 31, 2007, 11:08 am
CONTINGENT COMPESATION Bob Meeks
May 31, 2007, 10:22 am
RE: RIMS Peter
May 31, 2007, 9:54 am
RE: It is truly amazing mainemiss
May 31, 2007, 9:52 am
It is truly amazing adjusterjoe
May 31, 2007, 9:14 am
What is the REAL issue? Risk Manager in Florida
May 31, 2007, 6:52 am
RE: CONTINGENT COMPENSATION Julie
May 30, 2007, 10:10 pm
Let;s be honest Been Around Too Long
May 30, 2007, 9:59 pm
RE: Compensation Ted Kluemper Jr.
May 30, 2007, 9:38 pm
RE: How is Regular Commission not a conflict? Hans
May 30, 2007, 7:48 pm
RM's caused this problem- now have lace on their panties? Mark Hutch
May 30, 2007, 6:50 pm
PUBLIC RM'S WERE THE ONES PAID BY BROKERS PERMANENT JOB RM'S
May 30, 2007, 6:32 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lazy Risk Managers Casharoo!
May 30, 2007, 5:52 pm
RE: RE: RE: Lazy Risk Managers DLK
May 30, 2007, 5:43 pm
RE: RE: Lazy Risk Managers pinky
May 30, 2007, 5:40 pm
Compensation Michael
May 30, 2007, 5:16 pm
Compensation Michael
May 30, 2007, 5:16 pm
RE: This same defective thinking is dumbing down our schools JAM
May 30, 2007, 4:56 pm
Boycott Rims Convention Joe Neen
May 30, 2007, 4:56 pm
RE: If we really wanted to see change... RNR_Risk
May 30, 2007, 4:54 pm
RE: If we really wanted to see change... Ticked off in WA
May 30, 2007, 4:45 pm
If we really wanted to see change... MD
May 30, 2007, 4:31 pm
RE: RE: Not in their best interest RIMShot
May 30, 2007, 4:27 pm
RE: Lazy Risk Managers Black Angus Corporate Laspe
May 30, 2007, 4:26 pm
How is Regular Commission not a conflict? Buyer
May 30, 2007, 4:25 pm
RE: Not in their best interest An old insurance hand
May 30, 2007, 4:21 pm
RE: RE: Not in their best interest Joe Mach
May 30, 2007, 4:18 pm
Lazy Risk Managers Your Bond Source
May 30, 2007, 4:17 pm
RIMS DLP
May 30, 2007, 4:14 pm
RE: RE: Are risk managers that dumb? Still in Denial of Calif.
May 30, 2007, 4:13 pm
RE: This same defective thinking is dumbing down our schools Paul
May 30, 2007, 4:05 pm
federal regulated commission rates too.. Same
May 30, 2007, 4:04 pm
federal regulated commission rates too.. Same
May 30, 2007, 4:04 pm
RE: Are risk managers that dumb? San Jose's CA. Regional Risk
May 30, 2007, 4:03 pm
RE: Not in their best interest Tom Myers
May 30, 2007, 4:01 pm
RE: RE: CONTINGENT COMPENSATION RIMShot
May 30, 2007, 4:01 pm
Are risk managers that dumb? Clark
May 30, 2007, 3:57 pm
RE: CONTINGENT COMPENSATION Kevin M. Ryan
May 30, 2007, 3:55 pm
This same defective thinking is dumbing down our schools Realist
May 30, 2007, 3:50 pm
Contigent Commisions RIMShot
May 30, 2007, 3:47 pm
Foxes want control of the hen house Papa
May 30, 2007, 3:44 pm
CONTINGENT COMPENSATION Fred DiMeo
May 30, 2007, 3:44 pm
Not in their best interest TigerARM
May 30, 2007, 3:38 pm
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