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Florida Subpoenas Allstate Over Home Insurance Rate Increases, Industry Ties
National News October 16, 2007
Florida officials have subpoenaed Allstate Insurance and its subsidiaries to get the insurer to explain why it is not lowering homeowners insurance rates in the state and to defend its dealings ...
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| Truth? | Oct 22, 2007, 5:37 pm |
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| RE: RE: RE: Karen | Kent | Oct 19, 2007, 11:44 pm |
| RE: RE: Karen | really | Oct 19, 2007, 2:20 pm |
| RE: Karen | Kent | Oct 19, 2007, 12:15 pm |
| Outsider - handle | Outsider | Oct 19, 2007, 11:56 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: again to Karen | andrew | Oct 19, 2007, 10:35 am |
| RE: Observation | Outsider (not anymore!) | Oct 19, 2007, 10:22 am |
| RE: Response to WalMart and Insurance - Excess Profits Law | BE | Oct 19, 2007, 9:54 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: again to Karen | TB | Oct 19, 2007, 9:46 am |
| RE: RE: RE: again to Karen | Karen | Oct 19, 2007, 8:40 am |
| RE: RE: RE: again to Karen, here is one story..more to come | Karen | Oct 19, 2007, 8:34 am |
| RE: RE: again to Karen | Karen, you stink of BS | Oct 18, 2007, 9:48 pm |
| RE: again to Karen | Karen | Oct 18, 2007, 9:00 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: again to Karen | fireworks | Oct 18, 2007, 5:33 pm |
| RE: RE: again to Karen | Oct 18, 2007, 4:34 pm |
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| RE: again to Karen | fireworks! | Oct 18, 2007, 4:15 pm |
| again to Karen | caffiend | Oct 18, 2007, 2:08 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Andy writing HO policies-PLEASE DISCOUNT? | James Collinger | Oct 18, 2007, 12:29 pm |
| RE: RE: Andy writing HO policies-PLEASE DISCOUNT? | Karen | Oct 18, 2007, 11:09 am |
| RE: RE: Observation | Karl Marx | Oct 18, 2007, 9:11 am |
| RE: Observation | Mr. Notsoobvious | Oct 18, 2007, 8:55 am |
| Observation | Outside looking in | Oct 18, 2007, 8:35 am |
| RE: Andy writing HO policies | youpeoplearedumb | Oct 18, 2007, 8:17 am |
| RE: RE: to Karen and Caffiend | sock | Oct 17, 2007, 7:35 pm |
| Chuck.... | ME | Oct 17, 2007, 3:37 pm |
| RE: Replies to BigD and Pat Beranger | BigD | Oct 17, 2007, 3:35 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Obvious solution | chuck | Oct 17, 2007, 3:24 pm |
| RE: RE: Obvious solution | Mr Obvious | Oct 17, 2007, 3:11 pm |
| RE: Replies to BigD and Pat Beranger | Pat Beranger | Oct 17, 2007, 3:08 pm |
| RE: Obvious solution | Chuck | Oct 17, 2007, 3:04 pm |
| Obvious solution | Mr Obvious | Oct 17, 2007, 2:38 pm |
| To - Pat Beranger and Ratemaker | FL Native / Insurance Broker | Oct 17, 2007, 2:38 pm |
| Replies to BigD and Pat Beranger | TKG | Oct 17, 2007, 2:35 pm |
| RE: My roots... | blondie | Oct 17, 2007, 2:33 pm |
| RE: Response to WalMart and Insurance | Pat Beranger | Oct 17, 2007, 2:16 pm |
| My roots... | blondie | Oct 17, 2007, 2:07 pm |
| Hey Charlie...how about a subpoena for this guy? | BigD | Oct 17, 2007, 2:04 pm |
| Chumps . | Bozo | Oct 17, 2007, 1:45 pm |
| RE: Response to WalMart and Insurance | Ratemaker | Oct 17, 2007, 1:42 pm |
| Two Corrections | Pat Beranger | Oct 17, 2007, 1:39 pm |
| realistic assessment | Rufus | Oct 17, 2007, 1:22 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Be the Consumer... reply to Karen | MMC | Oct 17, 2007, 1:13 pm |
| Response to WalMart and Insurance | TKG | Oct 17, 2007, 1:07 pm |
| KAREN | TB | Oct 17, 2007, 12:59 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: to Karen | Walmart and Insurance | Oct 17, 2007, 12:45 pm |
| RE: RE: to Karen and Caffiend | ME | Oct 17, 2007, 12:28 pm |
| Reinsurance | Outsider | Oct 17, 2007, 12:16 pm |
| RE: to Karen and Caffiend | TKG | Oct 17, 2007, 11:57 am |
| RE: RE: Be the Consumer... reply to Karen | ME | Oct 17, 2007, 11:38 am |
| RE: Be the Consumer... | Karen | Oct 17, 2007, 11:32 am |
| RE: RE: RE: to Karen | Karen | Oct 17, 2007, 11:30 am |
| RE: Be the Consumer... | Transplanted to Florida | Oct 17, 2007, 11:26 am |
| Be the Consumer... | ME | Oct 17, 2007, 11:19 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: to caffiend | Transplanted to Florida | Oct 17, 2007, 11:16 am |
| A Novel Idea.. | Bill | Oct 17, 2007, 11:11 am |
| regarding those assessments | caffiend | Oct 17, 2007, 11:06 am |
| RE: RE: to Karen | caffiend | Oct 17, 2007, 10:57 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: to caffiend | Karen | Oct 17, 2007, 10:54 am |
| RE: RE: RE: to caffiend | Transplanted to Florida | Oct 17, 2007, 10:26 am |
| RE: blondie, you roots are showing! | Transplanted to Florida | Oct 17, 2007, 10:23 am |
| RE: RE: to caffiend | Mark | Oct 17, 2007, 10:03 am |
| blondie, you roots are showing! | Karen | Oct 17, 2007, 9:57 am |
| RE: Snake Farm | Mark | Oct 17, 2007, 9:48 am |
| RE: to caffiend | Karen | Oct 17, 2007, 9:46 am |
| RE: It has to be said... | J | Oct 17, 2007, 9:35 am |
| It has to be said... | blondie | Oct 17, 2007, 8:56 am |
| to Karen | caffiend | Oct 17, 2007, 8:35 am |
| Allstate | Mark | Oct 17, 2007, 8:01 am |
| ALLSTATE | TB | Oct 17, 2007, 7:19 am |
| RE: RE: RE: Already waving goodbye to Allstate | SWFL Mark | Oct 17, 2007, 7:04 am |
| RE: RE: Allstate's rates | TFH | Oct 17, 2007, 6:45 am |
| Snake Farm | Scott | Oct 16, 2007, 8:49 pm |
| Respond to Karen - making or losing billions | Kent | Oct 16, 2007, 8:21 pm |
| RE: RE: respond to Kathy | Karen | Oct 16, 2007, 7:05 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a good thing- government needs t | Karen | Oct 16, 2007, 7:01 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a good thing- government needs t | Karen | Oct 16, 2007, 7:00 pm |
| RE: Availability vs. Price | AL | Oct 16, 2007, 6:46 pm |
| RE: respond to Kathy | Kent | Oct 16, 2007, 6:06 pm |
| RE: Don't worry about this. | sara | Oct 16, 2007, 5:48 pm |
| Don't worry about this. | Hillary | Oct 16, 2007, 5:36 pm |
| RE: Allstate vs Florida | really | Oct 16, 2007, 5:33 pm |
| Andy writing HO policies | foo foo fighter | Oct 16, 2007, 5:19 pm |
| Allstate vs Florida | Gary B | Oct 16, 2007, 4:56 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a good thing- government needs to be | caffiend | Oct 16, 2007, 4:27 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a good thing- government needs to be | Andy | Oct 16, 2007, 4:22 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: This is a good thing- government needs to be edu | Kathy | Oct 16, 2007, 4:16 pm |
| RE: Already waving goodbye to Allstate | Karen | Oct 16, 2007, 4:08 pm |
| RE: RE: This is a good thing- government needs to be educate | Kent | Oct 16, 2007, 4:04 pm |
| RE: RE: Already waving goodbye to Allstate | caffiend | Oct 16, 2007, 4:00 pm |
| RE: RE: This is a good thing | Karen | Oct 16, 2007, 3:58 pm |
| RE: Allstate's rates | TKG | Oct 16, 2007, 3:19 pm |
| Already waving goodbye to Allstate | caffiend | Oct 16, 2007, 3:15 pm |
| RE: RE: This is a good thing | Concerned Citizens | Oct 16, 2007, 3:15 pm |
| Allstate's rates | SJM | Oct 16, 2007, 3:14 pm |
| RE: This is a good thing | Percy | Oct 16, 2007, 3:11 pm |
| RE: Do you smell that? | WooWooWoo | Oct 16, 2007, 3:08 pm |
| RE: This is a good thing | SLMPT | Oct 16, 2007, 3:07 pm |
| Mmm... | CLR | Oct 16, 2007, 3:04 pm |
| RE: Do you smell that? | Pat Beranger | Oct 16, 2007, 2:58 pm |
| Do you smell that? | JR | Oct 16, 2007, 2:54 pm |
| This is a good thing | LLCJ | Oct 16, 2007, 2:44 pm |
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Subject: RE: blondie, you roots are showing!
I CHOSE to live in Florida, and I realize there are risks inherent with my resident state. But, that is not an excuse to have ridiculously high rates or suppress competition (the insurer of last resort becoming the only choice most of the time!).
As for the argument made by others here, including Blondie, that people should not live in Florida. Puh-lease! Does anyone think before they speak? Seriously, most places have some risks that residents must deal with. That still does not mean that the population can be exploited because they live there. Using the faulty argument of "don't live there" and applying to all places, that would leave the entire population of the US (not considering other countries) concentrated in a small amount of space. Of course, that would increase the chance of other risks (e.g., communicable diseases being transmitted more frequently and more severely). What do we do then? Move to places less populated? Oh wait; we can't live there because they are not 100% certified "safe zones". That argument is a slippery slope that should not be approached. You will continue sliding down and there's no making your way back to the top.
I am not saying that rates in hurricane zones, earthquake-prone areas, tornado alley, etc. should not be higher. I am not advocating community rates across the board. The risk is higher in certain areas of the country. I get that. What I am saying is, if you want to justify the high rates and defend the insurance companies, do it using actuarial methods (without padding the assumptions to justify the rates - use ACTUAL experience) or valid arguments. I am sure the moderately-priced home sitting out on the Gulf of Mexico is going to cost more to insure when compared to the same home several miles inland. But, how many hurricanes come up the Gulf Coast? Are they using the same, or similar, risk factors as they use in the Keys, or on the Atlantic coast? If you can convince me, mathematically, that they are needed, then I may gripe and moan because the insurance expense is going to take a bigger bite out of my budget, but I'll at least understand and agree that it's needed. But, don't say "You live in FL, your bad. We can charge what we want."
Also, to be clear, I do think Crist is going overboard. I think he's just so intent on keeping rates down and not looking at it logically. He is going to do more damage than good, in my opinion.