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U.S. Midwest Floods Show Impact of Global Warming, Say Conservationists
National News July 3, 2008
Floods like those that inundated the U.S. Midwest are supposed to occur once every 500 years but this is the second since 1993, suggesting flawed forecasts that do not take global warming into ...
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| RE: RE: RE: RE: To John: | Ohioan2 | Jul 10, 2008, 5:23 pm |
| Another opinion - check his speech in its entirety | ad | Jul 10, 2008, 12:48 pm |
| My Reply to John | Vlad | Jul 10, 2008, 11:18 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: To John: | Timewilltell | Jul 10, 2008, 9:24 am |
| RE: RE: RE: To John: | John | Jul 9, 2008, 6:12 pm |
| RE: RE: To John: | Nobody Important | Jul 9, 2008, 10:20 am |
| RE: To John: | John | Jul 8, 2008, 9:08 pm |
| RE: GOREBAL WARMING | LARRY LOGIC | Jul 7, 2008, 4:54 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: is it global warming or... | Sheda Light | Jul 7, 2008, 2:23 pm |
| Global Warming | Rosie's alter ego | Jul 7, 2008, 11:04 am |
| To John: | Vlad | Jul 7, 2008, 10:30 am |
| RE: Everything is a result of Global Warming | Iowan | Jul 7, 2008, 10:06 am |
| Everything is a result of Global Warming | TimeWillTell | Jul 7, 2008, 9:01 am |
| RE: RE: is it global warming or... | Snatty | Jul 7, 2008, 8:38 am |
| Major impact due to global warming | Rick | Jul 4, 2008, 8:13 am |
| RE: is it global warming or... | John | Jul 3, 2008, 10:56 pm |
| is it global warming or... | anon the mouse | Jul 3, 2008, 7:51 pm |
| Correction | Andy Weaver | Jul 3, 2008, 6:39 pm |
| One word | The other Rosie | Jul 3, 2008, 2:40 pm |
| RE: US Midwest flood | question | Jul 3, 2008, 2:38 pm |
| Says Who? | Koolglobal | Jul 3, 2008, 2:34 pm |
| Took Awhile | Becky | Jul 3, 2008, 1:35 pm |
| SNOW | Dirty Work | Jul 3, 2008, 1:34 pm |
| the lowest common demoninator | chicken little | Jul 3, 2008, 1:22 pm |
| Midwest Floods | Expert | Jul 3, 2008, 1:07 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: What the ????? | Of Course | Jul 3, 2008, 12:59 pm |
| RE: RE: What the ????? | Snatty | Jul 3, 2008, 12:49 pm |
| RE: What the ????? | Chris | Jul 3, 2008, 12:46 pm |
| RE: US Midwest flood | Ralph Runyon | Jul 3, 2008, 12:42 pm |
| What the ????? | Patriot | Jul 3, 2008, 12:25 pm |
| To quote Archie Bunker | Mr. Obvious | Jul 3, 2008, 8:57 am |
| US Midwest flood | Brian | Jul 3, 2008, 8:15 am |
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Subject: My Reply to John
I believe it is appropriate we are on an insurance blog as our business is to manage risk.
1) If my question cannot be answered in the absolute, then why is the global warming community giving me an absloute answer, ie. the reduction of CO2? CO2 emmissions have increased, however, as you indicated many factors determine the climate ie. water vapor, sunspots, volcanic eruptions, to name just a few. The arguement that reducing CO2 will bring the "earth into balance" is specious at best. CO2 is but one of many gases that can cause the greenhouse effect. The limited historical data suggests that CO2 increases AFTER a warming trend. This would suggest that an increase in CO2 is the result, NOT the cause of warming.
2) Hurricanes, floods and droughts have always been in existence. To say the changes to the climate are "too numerous" is not a logical argument. Mr. Gore making a movie showing Florida flood on a computer generated map is not good enough for me. The last significant temperature rise during mans existence was about 1500ad. During this time growing seasons were extended and the renaissance brought us out of the dark ages.
3) I prefer the market over the government. If you prefer flouresecent bulbs to incandescent, I really do not care. If Al Gore wants to fly around in a private jet, again, I really don't care. However, I want both you and I to make our own choices, not the government. With gasoline at 4.00 a gallon, I beleive we are all conserving. What's your thought on nuclear eneregy? Domestic drilling? Coal fired plants?
1) Yes, I beleive there was a time when our actions significantly affected the ozone layer. A minor change, the reduction of the emititng of chlorine (a very hazardous chemical) into the atmosphere eliminated the problem. Where is the hole now?
2) Since the last Cub World Series there have been amazing discoveries and inventions, not the least of which have happened in medicine. I love my blackjack phone, my car with its heated seats and gps. I am very suspicious of people like Green Peace, Peta, Code Pink and the rest of these liberal nut jobs. I am also suspicious of the United Nations. I want Americans deciding what is best for America.
3) Sorry John, I don't like the argument, what if you are wrong. The cure (reduction of the use of fossil fuels) will do greater harm to our life style and economy. One recent number thrown out was 43,000,000,000,000. That would be the cost to implement the changes some in the "climate change" world want to spend. Sounds like a lot of money for a maybe.
4) Some scientists and their response:
Israel:
Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem has authored almost 70 peer-reviewed studies and won several awards. "First, temperature changes, as well as rates of temperature changes (both increase and decrease) of magnitudes similar to that reported by IPCC to have occurred since the Industrial revolution (about 0.8C in 150 years or even 0.4C in the last 35 years) have occurred in Earth's climatic history. There's nothing special about the recent rise!"
Russian scientist Dr. Oleg Sorochtin of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences has authored more than 300 studies, nine books, and a 2006 paper titled "The Evolution and the Prediction of Global Climate Changes on Earth." "Even if the concentration of 'greenhouse gases' double man would not perceive the temperature impact,"
USA: Climatologist Robert Durrenberger, past president of the American Association of State Climatologists, and one of the climatologists who gathered at Woods Hole to review the National Climate Program Plan in July, 1979: "Al Gore brought me back to the battle and prompted me to do renewed research in the field of climatology. And because of all the misinformation that Gore and his army have been spreading about climate change I have decided that 'real' climatologists should try to help the public understand the nature of the problem."
For Mr. Gore to call the discussion over is arrogant. Let him debate any one of the above cited.
Thanks, for the opportunity to reply, your commrade, Vlad.