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Meltdown 101: Why Did the AIG Bailout Get Bigger?

National News • November 12, 2008
It's a $150 billion gamble. That's the size of the newly enlarged financial lifeline the U.S. government threw tottering insurance giant American International Group on Monday, expanding an aid ...

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Subject: RE: CDS

Posted On: November 17, 2008, 12:54 pm CST
Posted By: Bang
Comment:
You must think of the counterparty in these contracts. Thats who is getting the bulk of this $150B loan/bailout.

Back in the day GS + MS (on this side of the pond) and big european banks like UBS + RBS were big players in the collateral bond market. They were making big fees packaging the loans and selling them off. In what they assumed were no risk deals as they bought CDS contracts thru AIG to protect these packages.

Here lies the problem.
Should GS + MS and the host of other European banks be paid for their CDS placed thru AIG?

Of course Paulson thinks so. And he is using tax dollars to create a large guarantee association for these CDS with no dollar cap in the name of AIG.

I think "NO". There should be caps for these counterparties on the amount they take of US taxpayer provided funds.

Of course this would require AIG to be in receivership which is what they are but under some treasury disguise.
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RE: A Gamble, How is it a gamble when we've already lost? Ralph
Nov 17, 2008, 3:04 pm
A Gamble, How is it a gamble when we've already lost? Sheltowee
Nov 17, 2008, 2:06 pm
RE: CDS Bang
Nov 17, 2008, 12:54 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout Buckeye
Nov 17, 2008, 11:28 am
RE: too big -party time
Nov 16, 2008, 4:04 pm
too big -party time Voice
Nov 16, 2008, 11:28 am
CDS Zephyr
Nov 13, 2008, 3:23 pm
RE: CDS Ratemaker
Nov 13, 2008, 3:10 pm
CDS Zephyr
Nov 13, 2008, 2:35 pm
RE: CDS Ratemaker
Nov 13, 2008, 2:31 pm
RE: RE: CDS InsIsMyPassion
Nov 13, 2008, 2:30 pm
RE: CDS morrison
Nov 13, 2008, 2:18 pm
CDS Zephyr
Nov 13, 2008, 2:15 pm
RE: AIG's effect on the rest of the insurance market Doctor J
Nov 13, 2008, 12:41 pm
Unless they sell off assets... Doctor J
Nov 13, 2008, 12:39 pm
Hey Dum Dum - Lets make it real simple for you Jeff
Nov 13, 2008, 8:29 am
RE: AIG's effect on the rest of the insurance market morrison
Nov 13, 2008, 8:25 am
AIG's effect on the rest of the insurance market Homer
Nov 13, 2008, 8:20 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout Scott
Nov 13, 2008, 7:37 am
RE: Wasting time red handed
Nov 12, 2008, 9:00 pm
Wasting time Sam
Nov 12, 2008, 8:54 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout the idiots
Nov 12, 2008, 6:48 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout dum dum
Nov 12, 2008, 6:31 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout the idiots
Nov 12, 2008, 5:56 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout dum dum
Nov 12, 2008, 5:55 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout dum dum
Nov 12, 2008, 5:47 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout the idiots
Nov 12, 2008, 5:25 pm
Great Observation, IJ mvp@123.com
Nov 12, 2008, 4:49 pm
RE: RE: Party Time Baxtor
Nov 12, 2008, 4:47 pm
RE: Too big to fail! Enough already Bill
Nov 12, 2008, 4:34 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout Fed Up with AIG
Nov 12, 2008, 3:57 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout bart
Nov 12, 2008, 3:52 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout Ralph
Nov 12, 2008, 3:44 pm
RE: RE: RE: Party Time dum dum
Nov 12, 2008, 3:42 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout jim morrison
Nov 12, 2008, 3:37 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout dum dum
Nov 12, 2008, 3:32 pm
RE: RE: Party Time the idiots
Nov 12, 2008, 3:26 pm
RE: RE: dum-dum Left around to the Right
Nov 12, 2008, 3:23 pm
RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout Fed Up with AIG
Nov 12, 2008, 3:14 pm
RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout Jennifer
Nov 12, 2008, 3:12 pm
RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout Jennifer
Nov 12, 2008, 3:12 pm
RE: RE: RE: the AIG Bailout Cranky
Nov 12, 2008, 3:11 pm
RE: RE: the AIG Bailout jim morrison
Nov 12, 2008, 2:50 pm
RE: the AIG Bailout barb wired
Nov 12, 2008, 2:01 pm
RE: Bailout Tar
Nov 12, 2008, 1:11 pm
RE: dum-dum B Obama
Nov 12, 2008, 1:03 pm
Good money after bad one
Nov 12, 2008, 1:00 pm
dum-dum Ralph
Nov 12, 2008, 12:45 pm
RE: RE: Party Time bart
Nov 12, 2008, 12:45 pm
RE: RE: Party Time Scott
Nov 12, 2008, 12:39 pm
RE: RE: Too big to fail!-Ralph LOL
Nov 12, 2008, 12:36 pm
RE: Party Time dum dum
Nov 12, 2008, 12:32 pm
RE: Too big to fail! Ralph
Nov 12, 2008, 12:31 pm
Too big to fail! Bill
Nov 12, 2008, 12:28 pm
Party Time Mr. Big
Nov 12, 2008, 10:34 am
Bailout Scott
Nov 12, 2008, 10:09 am
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