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Insiders Say AIG Slashing Prices to Win Business in Moves That May Burn Rivals, Taxpayers
National News December 11, 2008
American International Group Inc. is cutting prices to win new business and boost market share, competitors and others in the industry say, but taxpayers could again be stuck with the tab.
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| Subject | Posted By | Posted On |
|---|---|---|
| RE: Takin it again | Ratemaker | Dec 15, 2008, 1:27 pm |
| Takin it again | JOE Tax payer | Dec 15, 2008, 9:51 am |
| RE: I'm with Propaganda on this one | Opserver | Dec 14, 2008, 5:57 am |
| Capitalism-common sense | economy cannot handle it | Dec 13, 2008, 3:59 pm |
| AIG Liquidation Pricing triggers the fall of Capitalism | A I Gone | Dec 13, 2008, 7:57 am |
| RE: I'm with Propaganda on this one | Mary | Dec 12, 2008, 4:37 pm |
| RE: LEX | actuary | Dec 12, 2008, 4:18 pm |
| RE: RE: LEX ...Pistol Pete | actuary | Dec 12, 2008, 4:14 pm |
| RE: LEX | David Larson | Dec 12, 2008, 2:21 pm |
| RE: RE: Insurance Industy is Corrupt! | Ralph | Dec 12, 2008, 2:19 pm |
| RE: Insurance Industy is Corrupt! | A Broker | Dec 12, 2008, 2:06 pm |
| RE: LEX | JD | Dec 12, 2008, 1:41 pm |
| LEX | Peter Polstein | Dec 12, 2008, 12:43 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote | Publius | Dec 12, 2008, 12:11 pm |
| And who's getting the commision bonus this time? | anon the mouse | Dec 12, 2008, 12:07 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote | Disappointed | Dec 12, 2008, 11:05 am |
| Insurance industry = corruption | Chicago Politician | Dec 12, 2008, 10:56 am |
| RE: RE: Lex | actuary | Dec 12, 2008, 10:36 am |
| RE: RE: Ins depts...A.M.BEST...Auditors | Ratemaker | Dec 12, 2008, 9:41 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote | nobody important | Dec 12, 2008, 9:24 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote | JD | Dec 12, 2008, 8:45 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote | matt | Dec 12, 2008, 8:19 am |
| Shameful | Amazed | Dec 12, 2008, 8:13 am |
| RE: RE: Lex | WCAgent | Dec 12, 2008, 8:03 am |
| RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote | John | Dec 12, 2008, 8:03 am |
| RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote | A REAL Underwriter | Dec 12, 2008, 7:50 am |
| RE: Lex | Peter Polstein | Dec 12, 2008, 6:49 am |
| Lex | actuary | Dec 11, 2008, 6:29 pm |
| RE: Insurance Industy is Corrupt! | An underwriter | Dec 11, 2008, 6:00 pm |
| RE: RE: AIG Quote | An underwriter | Dec 11, 2008, 5:44 pm |
| Insurance Industy is Corrupt! | Chicago Politician | Dec 11, 2008, 5:27 pm |
| I'm with Propaganda on this one | Chicago Risk Manager | Dec 11, 2008, 4:31 pm |
| RE: RE: AIG Quote | IJ Staff | Dec 11, 2008, 3:54 pm |
| RE: AIG Quote | an underwriter | Dec 11, 2008, 3:44 pm |
| AIG Quote | Mark S | Dec 11, 2008, 3:39 pm |
| RE: Liberty Rating Downgrade | JD | Dec 11, 2008, 3:38 pm |
| Liberty Rating Downgrade | Industry Observer | Dec 11, 2008, 3:35 pm |
| No more Bailouts | Kent | Dec 11, 2008, 3:22 pm |
| RE: RE: RE: Liberty is the worst at giving away accounts on | New York Agent | Dec 11, 2008, 3:16 pm |
| RE: Ins depts...A.M.BEST...Auditors | Vanessa | Dec 11, 2008, 3:05 pm |
| RE: RE: AIG Pricing | JD | Dec 11, 2008, 2:21 pm |
| RE: RE: Liberty is the worst at giving away accounts on pric | Validator | Dec 11, 2008, 2:20 pm |
| RE: AIG Pricing | DJS | Dec 11, 2008, 2:02 pm |
| Ins depts...A.M.BEST...Auditors | I want to know | Dec 11, 2008, 1:36 pm |
| RE: Oh, a model. I feel better then. | Stats Person | Dec 11, 2008, 1:24 pm |
| To the few that said we should bail out AIG | Baxtor | Dec 11, 2008, 1:22 pm |
| An answer to 'Question' | David | Dec 11, 2008, 1:16 pm |
| Who are the Reponsible Insurers? | Curious George | Dec 11, 2008, 1:16 pm |
| RE: Liberty is the worst at giving away accounts on price | Mike | Dec 11, 2008, 1:15 pm |
| Liberty is the worst at giving away accounts on price | New York Agent | Dec 11, 2008, 1:11 pm |
| RE: Propaganda | Peter Polstein | Dec 11, 2008, 12:59 pm |
| Buying Decisions | David | Dec 11, 2008, 12:52 pm |
| Oh, a model. I feel better then. | Pat Beranger | Dec 11, 2008, 12:50 pm |
| who else was slashing prices? | susan salas | Dec 11, 2008, 12:47 pm |
| RE: RE: Propaganda from Liberty (of all people) | Donna Towson | Dec 11, 2008, 12:35 pm |
| The Truth Hurts | Indy | Dec 11, 2008, 12:33 pm |
| RE: Stale. | Vanessa | Dec 11, 2008, 12:28 pm |
| Propaganda | Long Time Broker | Dec 11, 2008, 12:28 pm |
| Question | American Taxpayor | Dec 11, 2008, 12:25 pm |
| Competition | Seen It | Dec 11, 2008, 11:39 am |
| RE: Propaganda | Cassandra | Dec 11, 2008, 11:37 am |
| RE: Propaganda | Left around to the Right | Dec 11, 2008, 11:22 am |
| Stale. | Eric B | Dec 11, 2008, 11:22 am |
| Propaganda | John W. | Dec 11, 2008, 9:56 am |
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Subject: RE: Propaganda
While there are some who espouse the theory that the insurance operations are both safe and have sufficient reserves to handle losses, one of the problems that AIG will face in the sale of assets, has been their "interesting" reserving practices of the years, which will bare real actuarial scrutiny when the times comes.
At the rate they are going, it appears difficult, if not impossible to repay the so called "bailout"irrespective of what assets are sold. To continue the rhetoric that their core business is not for sale, falls into the line of fantasy. Even on the assumption that their core business does come to the sales block, their are many who do not have an appetite for that which has been underwritten, then, their is the philosophy of those in management which will be alien to a potential acquiring insurer, and lastly, reserving practices.
The practice of attempting to out underwrite your losses, has never physically borne fruit, and it does become a desperate measure, irrespective of those who would say otherwise.
The loss of both Kelly's at Lexington is a huge hit on the AIG base, let no one believe otherwise, and is endemic of what is occurring within that community.
It is still conceivable that AIG could go down, and the so called "core business" go into runoff. The worst case scenario has yet to play out, and it will be interesting to see their losses not only in this upcoming 4th Q, but the first two of 2009. These mark to market potential losses have yet to fully mature, and unless this Government is willing to back this group to the tune of over $ 400 billion, there is reason to be concerned for their ability to survive with capital adequacy.
As to Liberty, right, keep your mouth shut, as well as the vast majority of those within the industry, all of whom have been caught up in the same five letter word and are paying the price.
GREED.