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Insiders Say AIG Slashing Prices to Win Business in Moves That May Burn Rivals, Taxpayers

National News • December 11, 2008
American International Group Inc. is cutting prices to win new business and boost market share, competitors and others in the industry say, but taxpayers could again be stuck with the tab. Since a ...

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Subject: RE: Propaganda

Posted On: December 11, 2008, 12:59 pm CST
Posted By: Peter Polstein
Comment:
Come on folks, let's get real. I called publicly the "demise" of AIG in articles back in the fall of 2007. All you had to know was the amount of liabilities being built by the UK operation and Bermuda where collateral was the so called "good name" of AIG. Agt this juncture, no one has an accurate handle on the ultimate potential for these instruments, but looking at their latest financial data, it certainly is excess of some $ 350 billion.

While there are some who espouse the theory that the insurance operations are both safe and have sufficient reserves to handle losses, one of the problems that AIG will face in the sale of assets, has been their "interesting" reserving practices of the years, which will bare real actuarial scrutiny when the times comes.

At the rate they are going, it appears difficult, if not impossible to repay the so called "bailout"irrespective of what assets are sold. To continue the rhetoric that their core business is not for sale, falls into the line of fantasy. Even on the assumption that their core business does come to the sales block, their are many who do not have an appetite for that which has been underwritten, then, their is the philosophy of those in management which will be alien to a potential acquiring insurer, and lastly, reserving practices.

The practice of attempting to out underwrite your losses, has never physically borne fruit, and it does become a desperate measure, irrespective of those who would say otherwise.

The loss of both Kelly's at Lexington is a huge hit on the AIG base, let no one believe otherwise, and is endemic of what is occurring within that community.

It is still conceivable that AIG could go down, and the so called "core business" go into runoff. The worst case scenario has yet to play out, and it will be interesting to see their losses not only in this upcoming 4th Q, but the first two of 2009. These mark to market potential losses have yet to fully mature, and unless this Government is willing to back this group to the tune of over $ 400 billion, there is reason to be concerned for their ability to survive with capital adequacy.

As to Liberty, right, keep your mouth shut, as well as the vast majority of those within the industry, all of whom have been caught up in the same five letter word and are paying the price.

GREED.
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RE: Takin it again Ratemaker
Dec 15, 2008, 1:27 pm
Takin it again JOE Tax payer
Dec 15, 2008, 9:51 am
RE: I'm with Propaganda on this one Opserver
Dec 14, 2008, 5:57 am
Capitalism-common sense economy cannot handle it
Dec 13, 2008, 3:59 pm
AIG Liquidation Pricing triggers the fall of Capitalism A I Gone
Dec 13, 2008, 7:57 am
RE: I'm with Propaganda on this one Mary
Dec 12, 2008, 4:37 pm
RE: LEX actuary
Dec 12, 2008, 4:18 pm
RE: RE: LEX ...Pistol Pete actuary
Dec 12, 2008, 4:14 pm
RE: LEX David Larson
Dec 12, 2008, 2:21 pm
RE: RE: Insurance Industy is Corrupt! Ralph
Dec 12, 2008, 2:19 pm
RE: Insurance Industy is Corrupt! A Broker
Dec 12, 2008, 2:06 pm
RE: LEX JD
Dec 12, 2008, 1:41 pm
LEX Peter Polstein
Dec 12, 2008, 12:43 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote Publius
Dec 12, 2008, 12:11 pm
And who's getting the commision bonus this time? anon the mouse
Dec 12, 2008, 12:07 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote Disappointed
Dec 12, 2008, 11:05 am
Insurance industry = corruption Chicago Politician
Dec 12, 2008, 10:56 am
RE: RE: Lex actuary
Dec 12, 2008, 10:36 am
RE: RE: Ins depts...A.M.BEST...Auditors Ratemaker
Dec 12, 2008, 9:41 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote nobody important
Dec 12, 2008, 9:24 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote JD
Dec 12, 2008, 8:45 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote matt
Dec 12, 2008, 8:19 am
Shameful Amazed
Dec 12, 2008, 8:13 am
RE: RE: Lex WCAgent
Dec 12, 2008, 8:03 am
RE: RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote John
Dec 12, 2008, 8:03 am
RE: RE: RE: AIG Quote A REAL Underwriter
Dec 12, 2008, 7:50 am
RE: Lex Peter Polstein
Dec 12, 2008, 6:49 am
Lex actuary
Dec 11, 2008, 6:29 pm
RE: Insurance Industy is Corrupt! An underwriter
Dec 11, 2008, 6:00 pm
RE: RE: AIG Quote An underwriter
Dec 11, 2008, 5:44 pm
Insurance Industy is Corrupt! Chicago Politician
Dec 11, 2008, 5:27 pm
I'm with Propaganda on this one Chicago Risk Manager
Dec 11, 2008, 4:31 pm
RE: RE: AIG Quote IJ Staff
Dec 11, 2008, 3:54 pm
RE: AIG Quote an underwriter
Dec 11, 2008, 3:44 pm
AIG Quote Mark S
Dec 11, 2008, 3:39 pm
RE: Liberty Rating Downgrade JD
Dec 11, 2008, 3:38 pm
Liberty Rating Downgrade Industry Observer
Dec 11, 2008, 3:35 pm
No more Bailouts Kent
Dec 11, 2008, 3:22 pm
RE: RE: RE: Liberty is the worst at giving away accounts on New York Agent
Dec 11, 2008, 3:16 pm
RE: Ins depts...A.M.BEST...Auditors Vanessa
Dec 11, 2008, 3:05 pm
RE: RE: AIG Pricing JD
Dec 11, 2008, 2:21 pm
RE: RE: Liberty is the worst at giving away accounts on pric Validator
Dec 11, 2008, 2:20 pm
RE: AIG Pricing DJS
Dec 11, 2008, 2:02 pm
Ins depts...A.M.BEST...Auditors I want to know
Dec 11, 2008, 1:36 pm
RE: Oh, a model. I feel better then. Stats Person
Dec 11, 2008, 1:24 pm
To the few that said we should bail out AIG Baxtor
Dec 11, 2008, 1:22 pm
An answer to 'Question' David
Dec 11, 2008, 1:16 pm
Who are the Reponsible Insurers? Curious George
Dec 11, 2008, 1:16 pm
RE: Liberty is the worst at giving away accounts on price Mike
Dec 11, 2008, 1:15 pm
Liberty is the worst at giving away accounts on price New York Agent
Dec 11, 2008, 1:11 pm
RE: Propaganda Peter Polstein
Dec 11, 2008, 12:59 pm
Buying Decisions David
Dec 11, 2008, 12:52 pm
Oh, a model. I feel better then. Pat Beranger
Dec 11, 2008, 12:50 pm
who else was slashing prices? susan salas
Dec 11, 2008, 12:47 pm
RE: RE: Propaganda from Liberty (of all people) Donna Towson
Dec 11, 2008, 12:35 pm
The Truth Hurts Indy
Dec 11, 2008, 12:33 pm
RE: Stale. Vanessa
Dec 11, 2008, 12:28 pm
Propaganda Long Time Broker
Dec 11, 2008, 12:28 pm
Question American Taxpayor
Dec 11, 2008, 12:25 pm
Competition Seen It
Dec 11, 2008, 11:39 am
RE: Propaganda Cassandra
Dec 11, 2008, 11:37 am
RE: Propaganda Left around to the Right
Dec 11, 2008, 11:22 am
Stale. Eric B
Dec 11, 2008, 11:22 am
Propaganda John W.
Dec 11, 2008, 9:56 am
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