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Insurers' Use of Credit Scores Faces Renewed Scrutiny by Regulators

National News • March 17, 2009
The National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) has adopted a proposal to review the use of credit-based insurance scoring. The NAIC said it will convene a public hearing to take ...

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Subject: RE: future claims

Posted On: March 18, 2009, 7:45 am CDT
Posted By: Stat Guy
Comment:
Wudchuck, I have followed your posts for some time and always found your reasoning sound but on credit scoring I think the confusion is because you don't understand WHAT it impacts. (from the article): Opponents say....."the use of credit-based insurance scores unfairly discriminate against lower-income individuals" . The question here is whether credit scores somehow affect the rates charged such that it is UNFAIR for some but not for others. If it is unfair, does that meant they pay a higher rate? If so, then it would seem that for others it is also UNFAIR that they would pay a rate lower than they otherwise would. This is not how credit scores are used. Credit scores merely identify insurance consumers who may be economically distressed, who may have trouble paying their premiums and let their insurance lapse. They may have an overreliance on insurance (morale hazard); or if you can assume that lower scores translates into not having a lot of resources, such as money, in savings or on hand or whatever, they may inflate a claim to increase the payout (moral hazard). Or if they have an accident, after letting their insurance lapse, who pays that claim? The other driver, who is probably insured and so his company pays an uninsured motorist claim, thereby transferring the risk from the tortfeasor to the claimant. Is this FAIR? For credit scoring to be UNFAIR for a particular consumer, then it would follow that someone else benefits by having lower scored consumers pay a higher rate, thereby subsidizing those with higher scores. But again, this is NOT how it is used. What the score does is identify consumers who have few assets to protect and ensure that the rates charged are based on the increased probability of having some other financial condition that makes them different from others in their "class". the problem I have with this debate is that the question of FAIRNESS is not appropriate at all to the discussion....why should insurance rates be "FAIR" at all? Why should my kid pay the same rate I do, when he is as careless with his finances as he is with his driving? He can't keep a job, is late paying his bills, and drives as he sees fit, all the while secure in the fact that if he has an accident, he is covered and he'll get a check for damages when he turns in a claim. He doesn't even think about protecting himself and his assets by exercising due caution and diligence.....this is the type of individual who should be identified and treated differently in the underwriting of his risk. My condition is not the same as his; is that FAIR? Any increase in potential exposure should be accounted for when pricing risk. If there was a need for FAIRNESS in underwriting, why bother at all and make one rate for everyone? Well then those with better attributes would actually be paying more money to subsidize those with less than good attributes. People are different, why should those differences be ignored? The only ones who will benefit from banning credit score are exactly those on the lower end of the scale.....it that FAIR? NO! and that is why fairness should not be a part of this discussion....
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RE: credit score Mike F
Mar 23, 2009, 7:14 pm
No I think it's wtfchuck Lawyer
Mar 23, 2009, 4:26 pm
Credit Scoring and Ratings Realist
Mar 23, 2009, 4:17 pm
RE: RE: RE: Credit Scoring and Ratings wudchuck
Mar 23, 2009, 4:04 pm
RE: RE: RE: RE: Credit Scoring and Ratings AGENCY PRINCIPLE
Mar 23, 2009, 1:08 pm
RE: RE: RE: Credit Scoring and Ratings adirondacker
Mar 23, 2009, 12:54 pm
RE: RE: Credit Scoring and Ratings wudchuck
Mar 23, 2009, 11:52 am
RE: Credit Scoring and Ratings Adirondacker
Mar 23, 2009, 11:21 am
Credit Scoring and Ratings Roger
Mar 23, 2009, 9:51 am
RE: RE: ... but it's not my fault that I have 10 speeding ti Stat Guy
Mar 20, 2009, 7:37 am
RE: ... but it's not my fault that I have 10 speeding ticket NotSmartNuff
Mar 18, 2009, 2:05 pm
... but it's not my fault that I have 10 speeding tickets... Adirondacker
Mar 18, 2009, 12:28 pm
RE: RE: RE: future claims Stat Guy
Mar 18, 2009, 11:32 am
RE: RE: future claims wudchuck
Mar 18, 2009, 11:00 am
RE: CREDIT SCORING zam boot
Mar 18, 2009, 10:24 am
JUST ANOTHER BAILOUT Bill
Mar 18, 2009, 9:46 am
RE: future claims Stat Guy
Mar 18, 2009, 7:45 am
RE: Credit Scoring and the Criminal NotSmartNuff
Mar 17, 2009, 5:28 pm
use of credit scores and pricing Fred Revello
Mar 17, 2009, 5:23 pm
Credit Scoring and the Criminal Reverend-CPCU,CLU,FLMI
Mar 17, 2009, 4:29 pm
RE: Okay, they now want to bankrupt the insurance industry Kool-Aid Vendor
Mar 17, 2009, 4:28 pm
statistics wudchuck
Mar 17, 2009, 4:24 pm
RE: Cadoo - It's easy really...12:48 PM Really Quite Simple
Mar 17, 2009, 4:24 pm
RE: Okay, they now want to bankrupt the insurance industry Expert
Mar 17, 2009, 4:18 pm
Wudcheck- nothing's perfect Realist
Mar 17, 2009, 2:29 pm
GEICO & PGR Direct & credit scoring Rick
Mar 17, 2009, 2:24 pm
credit score wudchuck
Mar 17, 2009, 2:21 pm
Okay, they now want to bankrupt the insurance industry EGoyle
Mar 17, 2009, 1:48 pm
RE: It's easy really... Bluemax
Mar 17, 2009, 1:48 pm
RE: Throw reality and common sense out of the window nobody important
Mar 17, 2009, 1:46 pm
CREDIT SCORING AGENCY PRINCIPLE
Mar 17, 2009, 1:44 pm
Throw reality and common sense out of the window Realist
Mar 17, 2009, 1:40 pm
RE: RE: It's easy really... Mandy
Mar 17, 2009, 1:39 pm
RE: RE: It's easy really... bryan
Mar 17, 2009, 1:35 pm
RE: It's easy really... Chris
Mar 17, 2009, 1:25 pm
RE: RE: It's easy really... Dustin
Mar 17, 2009, 1:21 pm
RE: It's easy really... wudchuck
Mar 17, 2009, 1:06 pm
It's easy really... Cadoo
Mar 17, 2009, 12:48 pm
Future claims anonymous
Mar 17, 2009, 12:48 pm
future claims wudchuck
Mar 17, 2009, 12:36 pm
Citations??? matt
Mar 17, 2009, 8:40 am
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