A terrible tragedy for the family of the young girl whose love and companionship can never be replaced. But in today’s environment, it does seem that it’s all about the money.
Holding a restaurant liable for the actions of their patrons is ludicrous. Why not hold them liable for the health problems of patrons that are alraedy obese, but insist on ordering un healthy meal that could lead to diabetes, a heart attack or gout? People need to take responsibility for their own actions.
No doubt someone will try that. And isn’t the NYC ban on sugary sodas the same thing on the regulatory side? I’ve lost all respect for humanity in general. It’s not their fault, after all.
If a restaurant lets a patron that got drunk at their place leave without a safe means of transport home, they are liable for any havoc that patron may wreak. That’s how it works in the Keystone State.
I feel such pain for the girl’s parents, nothing in this world is worse than having to bury your own child; my heart goes out to them.
To blame the restaurant or any establishment that serves alcohol is telling the public that you do not have to be responsible for your own actions. If the young man had left his own house after drinking then who would be to blame? It wouldn’t be the company’s whose beer he was drinking. We need to re-teach ourselves and our children that you have to take responsibility for your actions and the choices you make, stop trying to shove it off onto someone else. Everyone in the US is given the right to choose, you’re born with that right, now we have to make sure that people know that you have the ability to make the wrong one or the right one. Responsibility for your actions is a value we need to make sure the younger generation learns and learns well.
I feel such pain for the girl’s parents, nothing in this world is worse than having to bury your own child; my heart goes out to them.
To blame the restaurant or any establishment that serves alcohol is telling the public that you do not have to be responsible for your own actions. If the young man had left his own house after drinking then who would be to blame? It wouldn’t be the company’s whose beer he was drinking. We need to re-teach ourselves and our children that you have to take responsibility for your actions and the choices you make, stop trying to shove it off onto someone else.
I don’t agree. If he came to my house and I either gave him or allowed him to drink that much and then let him drive, I should be held partly responsible. Responsibility lays on many people’s shoulders in these types of incidents. Besides, how much money/insurance do you think the driver had? Shouldn’t those parents be compensated for losing their daughter???
A restaurant is a business and cannot put each customer through a rigorous alcohol screening before they leave. You are right, you should NEVER let a friend drive drunk. But you know your friends. You know how they act when sober and how they act when intoxicated. Expecting a business to always be able to determine intoxication is ridiculous. Maybe he had several drinks before arriving and this restaurant only served him two drinks? To them he should be sober. People need to be responsible for themselves.
“Shouldn’t those parents be compensated for losing their daughter???”
Can you imagine a society where everyone was compensated whenever a misfortune occurs? You would need an enormous socialist type government to pull that off. That’s not a place I want to live. I want to live in a country where the responsible party is responsible, and no one else.
Youngin’ – this was not a “misfortune.” This kid had a .219 BAL one hour after the crash. He drank 6 liters of beer and several shots in 4 hours and vomited on a table before he was escorted out of the restaurant by security. Don’t tell me the restaurant should not have known he was intoxicated. And in addition to losing her daughter, the mother suffered a broken pelvis and miscarried the child she was carrying.
You should be partly responsible for letting your friends drive drunk and you should be expected to contribute to any judgement. What is at issue here is the amount.
I am sure that part of the reason for the high settlement or award was to ensure that servers at the restaurant go through training on how to cut off patrons and how to get them home safely. There is a time when a waiter or bartender says NO MORE HERE. And you are not driving home.
I understand the concept of punitive damages as well as anyone but all it does is pass on higher costs to society as a whole. Liquor liability rates are through the roof everywhere and I have yet to see a loss where the client was obviously intoxicated and the bar continued to serve, I am certain it happens but in the majority of these cases the guy goes from bar to bar having 2-3 per stop and is one of those that holds their liquor well and functions well even though they are quite drunk. Are we going to start requiring servers to do field sobriety tests and administer breath analyzer prior to serving anyone???
We should probably start to require ignition interlocks in all vehicles, oh that does not work as the scum that hurt others just get someone else to blow for them and continue to drive.
The only one responsible here is the person who hurt another and no amount of money will ever compensate the victims of these crimes.
MADD and others love to point to the statistics but I bet few of you know that the alcohol related accident statistic that the government publishes is not for only those that are impaired but for any accident even if the BAC was as low as .001. Well below the level of any impairment.
How does the Hofbrau House Corp obtain insurance and for that matter stay in business? Captive? off Shore coverage?
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A terrible tragedy for the family of the young girl whose love and companionship can never be replaced. But in today’s environment, it does seem that it’s all about the money.
Holding a restaurant liable for the actions of their patrons is ludicrous. Why not hold them liable for the health problems of patrons that are alraedy obese, but insist on ordering un healthy meal that could lead to diabetes, a heart attack or gout? People need to take responsibility for their own actions.
No doubt someone will try that. And isn’t the NYC ban on sugary sodas the same thing on the regulatory side? I’ve lost all respect for humanity in general. It’s not their fault, after all.
If a restaurant lets a patron that got drunk at their place leave without a safe means of transport home, they are liable for any havoc that patron may wreak. That’s how it works in the Keystone State.
Why?
Because money, that’s why.
Because of dram shop laws, propogated primarily by anti-alcohol organizations such as MADD.
Dram shop laws were around a long time before MADD. MADD just put the problem on the front page
Very, very sad for this family, but the judgement does seem excessive.
No judgment; per the article it was a settlement.
I feel such pain for the girl’s parents, nothing in this world is worse than having to bury your own child; my heart goes out to them.
To blame the restaurant or any establishment that serves alcohol is telling the public that you do not have to be responsible for your own actions. If the young man had left his own house after drinking then who would be to blame? It wouldn’t be the company’s whose beer he was drinking. We need to re-teach ourselves and our children that you have to take responsibility for your actions and the choices you make, stop trying to shove it off onto someone else. Everyone in the US is given the right to choose, you’re born with that right, now we have to make sure that people know that you have the ability to make the wrong one or the right one. Responsibility for your actions is a value we need to make sure the younger generation learns and learns well.
I feel such pain for the girl’s parents, nothing in this world is worse than having to bury your own child; my heart goes out to them.
To blame the restaurant or any establishment that serves alcohol is telling the public that you do not have to be responsible for your own actions. If the young man had left his own house after drinking then who would be to blame? It wouldn’t be the company’s whose beer he was drinking. We need to re-teach ourselves and our children that you have to take responsibility for your actions and the choices you make, stop trying to shove it off onto someone else.
I don’t agree. If he came to my house and I either gave him or allowed him to drink that much and then let him drive, I should be held partly responsible. Responsibility lays on many people’s shoulders in these types of incidents. Besides, how much money/insurance do you think the driver had? Shouldn’t those parents be compensated for losing their daughter???
A restaurant is a business and cannot put each customer through a rigorous alcohol screening before they leave. You are right, you should NEVER let a friend drive drunk. But you know your friends. You know how they act when sober and how they act when intoxicated. Expecting a business to always be able to determine intoxication is ridiculous. Maybe he had several drinks before arriving and this restaurant only served him two drinks? To them he should be sober. People need to be responsible for themselves.
“Shouldn’t those parents be compensated for losing their daughter???”
Can you imagine a society where everyone was compensated whenever a misfortune occurs? You would need an enormous socialist type government to pull that off. That’s not a place I want to live. I want to live in a country where the responsible party is responsible, and no one else.
Youngin’ – this was not a “misfortune.” This kid had a .219 BAL one hour after the crash. He drank 6 liters of beer and several shots in 4 hours and vomited on a table before he was escorted out of the restaurant by security. Don’t tell me the restaurant should not have known he was intoxicated. And in addition to losing her daughter, the mother suffered a broken pelvis and miscarried the child she was carrying.
Now do you think Hoffbrau House should pony up???
You should be partly responsible for letting your friends drive drunk and you should be expected to contribute to any judgement. What is at issue here is the amount.
The amount is subjective and totally up to the jury. I’m sure that mother would give the $15.6M for her daughter and unborn child back.
Although this was a terrible tragedy, how does our society come to putting such large awards/settlements on these types of instances?
I am sure that part of the reason for the high settlement or award was to ensure that servers at the restaurant go through training on how to cut off patrons and how to get them home safely. There is a time when a waiter or bartender says NO MORE HERE. And you are not driving home.
I understand the concept of punitive damages as well as anyone but all it does is pass on higher costs to society as a whole. Liquor liability rates are through the roof everywhere and I have yet to see a loss where the client was obviously intoxicated and the bar continued to serve, I am certain it happens but in the majority of these cases the guy goes from bar to bar having 2-3 per stop and is one of those that holds their liquor well and functions well even though they are quite drunk. Are we going to start requiring servers to do field sobriety tests and administer breath analyzer prior to serving anyone???
We should probably start to require ignition interlocks in all vehicles, oh that does not work as the scum that hurt others just get someone else to blow for them and continue to drive.
The only one responsible here is the person who hurt another and no amount of money will ever compensate the victims of these crimes.
MADD and others love to point to the statistics but I bet few of you know that the alcohol related accident statistic that the government publishes is not for only those that are impaired but for any accident even if the BAC was as low as .001. Well below the level of any impairment.