Protesters in Massachusetts Call for Hobby Lobby Boycott

July 14, 2014

  • July 14, 2014 at 1:14 pm
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    • July 15, 2014 at 9:02 am
      KY jw says:
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      You must have information outside this article, because nothing here even remotely resembles the Nazis.

      • July 15, 2014 at 10:53 am
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        Godwin’s law. He loses.

        • July 15, 2014 at 1:17 pm
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          Bingo, Libby! And, he starts the forum off by losing. Anyone who thumbs us down doesn’t understand Godwin’s Law and needs to take some time researching it.

          • July 17, 2014 at 9:13 am
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            Godwin was a Nazi sympathizer.

    • July 17, 2014 at 9:13 am
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      More like modern Bolsheviks.

      • July 18, 2014 at 5:12 pm
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        More like modern Christians, who also like to protest in certain locations. Well, I guess they aren’t exactly like the modern Christians; they haven’t blown up any Hobby Lobby locations, or shot any of the employees.

  • July 14, 2014 at 1:23 pm
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  • July 14, 2014 at 1:34 pm
    Ed says:
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    There ya go, boycott and cause them to lay off employees, they’ll get all of the forms of birth control free once theyre poor and on Medicaid.

  • July 14, 2014 at 1:49 pm
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    THe whole fiasco proves once again the crazy healthcare insurance system we have in this country. We really need to move to a single-payer system, where it does not matter where you are employed, and everybody is covered.

    • July 14, 2014 at 2:08 pm
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      Yes, we really need to have a VA system for the whole country, right? You may actually be able to get an appointment in a year. You might get life saving surgery in two years. Hope you don’t die first.

    • July 17, 2014 at 9:17 am
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      And we need unicorns that can magically conjure endless philly steak sandwiches.

      • July 17, 2014 at 12:46 pm
        txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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        That would be bad ass. A unicorn could give Geno’s and Pat’s some competition, and no 45 minutes line waits.

        • July 17, 2014 at 1:15 pm
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          Geno’s and Pat’s are decent at best and are tourist traps. My personal favorite is Daleassandros. Tony Luke’s is still pretty good, but stay away from his microwaveable sandwiches…yeesh.

          Not that anyone asked me.

          • July 17, 2014 at 1:37 pm
            txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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            Like Wawa?

          • July 17, 2014 at 1:43 pm
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            Wawa RULES. Cheap gas, good hoagies, open 24-7. If they could only sell beer there (an ice cold Yuengling does a body good).

          • July 17, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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            Wawa rocks, great pretzels too. As for Yuengling, I’ll have to pass used to like it back in the day, but I’ll stick to my Upstate NY beers like Saranac

          • July 17, 2014 at 2:30 pm
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            yeah, Saranac’s pretty good…nice variety. My favorite PA beer is Victory, though. That stuff is nectar

          • July 17, 2014 at 3:15 pm
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            I’ll have to try Victory. As for my favorite beer? It’s Shiner Boch from Texas. (Don’t hate me tx.)

          • July 17, 2014 at 4:41 pm
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            I’ll have try that if I can find it Libby. I just hope it’s not made from failed drug test urine samples from Lance Armstrong or any other Texican athlete.

          • July 17, 2014 at 4:50 pm
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            Jeez. Me, too!

          • July 18, 2014 at 8:24 am
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            While we’re pimping beers, may I recommend Kentucky Ale? There is also a Kentucky Bourbon Barrel Ale. Both quite tasty.

          • July 18, 2014 at 8:32 am
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            Sounds good KY, i’ll see if I can find that one somewhere nearby. That does sound tasty.

          • July 18, 2014 at 11:47 am
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            I’ll get into the beer talk – Victory’s Dirt Wolf is a great double IPA. I think when it comes to IPAs, you can’t beat Stone and Green Flash, though. Heady Topper, from The Alchemist in VT is also great. Dogfish Head is another great brewery out of DE. Anything by them is worth trying. Cheers!

          • July 18, 2014 at 11:56 am
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            Oh man just had some dirt wolf at a beer fest a couple months back, first time I tried and wasn’t the last time. Dogfish is great too!

          • July 18, 2014 at 12:46 pm
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            KY jw – try mixing the KY Bourbon Barrel Ale with a Breckenridge Vanilla Porter and it’s called Queen’s Velvet – so smooth and an amazing mix. Highly recommend it!

          • July 18, 2014 at 12:47 pm
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            TGIF!!!

  • July 14, 2014 at 2:05 pm
    Bryan says:
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    What we really need to do is keep government out of it.

    • July 17, 2014 at 9:18 am
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      Hear hear!

      • July 17, 2014 at 1:53 pm
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        But, put old government SCOTUS men in women’s lady bits? That’s ok.

  • July 14, 2014 at 2:17 pm
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    There is nothing wrong with protests. This one keeps religious freedom issues in the public eye a little longer. The light needs to continue to be shined on the fanatics on the left, who feel all optional activities that they promote or agree with should be funded from the pockets of taxpayers.

    • July 14, 2014 at 3:19 pm
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      • July 14, 2014 at 5:12 pm
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        Yes Libby, my life is pretty boring – After 40 years of marriage sex is an optional activity – her option. Also in all those years I’ve never had a need for STD medical treatments and she has never had an unwanted pregnancy. And my kids are all now middle aged and not one has ever moved back into the basement nor are any of them on government assistance. All this without having insurance coverage for optional activities.

        • July 15, 2014 at 8:56 am
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          • July 15, 2014 at 9:18 am
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            Most republicans have empathy, we just believe in a hand up not a hand out.

          • July 15, 2014 at 10:53 am
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            What makes you think I don’t think the same exact thing? The only difference is I don’t automatically label someone on assistance as lazy and dishonest.

          • July 15, 2014 at 1:21 pm
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            In addition, birth control is not always prescribed simply to prevent pregnancy. Further, it isn’t free, the employees earned it as part of their benefit package and now their employer is saying they cannot have it. Meanwhile, they have their 401K plans invested in the drugs they stand against. Not to forget all the Chinese manufactured products they plaster their shelves with. A country who mandates State funded abortion. Hobby Lobby is a complete joke, I’ll go to Michaels if I or any of my daughters need craft supplies.

          • July 15, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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            OB –
            You say Republicans aren’t into handouts. Why do they continue to support handing out money hand over fist to their corporate overlords and the uber rich? Corporate welfare is a huge problem. And, yes, Dems are also guilty of it. Republicans support more strongly, though. Odd for a party who doesn’t believe in handouts.

          • July 18, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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            Republicans believe in free handouts to NFL team owners, who are multi-millionaires and billionaires.

          • July 18, 2014 at 5:19 pm
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            But Captain, the corporate tax rates are too high. Maybe if corporations like GE didn’t have to pay so much in taxes, they wouldn’t keep shipping jobs overseas. If we just reduce the tax liability to zero for great corporations like GE, then they’ll stop shipping jobs overseas.

      • July 16, 2014 at 9:48 am
        txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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        I think he means slumber party tickle fights. Tee Hee. Definitely not S-E-X

  • July 14, 2014 at 2:23 pm
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    If they want to protest the Supreme Court decision, let them do it outside the Supreme Court Building in Washington, D.C.

    • July 14, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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      This is America and they can protest anywhere they want.

      • July 15, 2014 at 1:07 pm
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        This is very true. It’s their right to protest how and where they want and I will stick up for them and their right to do that. Even so it is very telling that they choose to protest HL in of the SC. To them the SC and the state represent the answers to all the problems by expanding in scope and HL represents all the evil of corporate and/or religious policy/theory.

        Ironically while it’s there right to protest as they wish, they in fact are protesting the rights of employers to compensate employees as they wish.

        • July 15, 2014 at 1:08 pm
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          “HL instead of* the SC.”

          • July 18, 2014 at 2:02 pm
            Don't Call Me Shirley says:
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            Kind of like the way that religious nutjobs protest in front of Planned Parenthood and harass all of the patients, many of whom are not there for an abortion. Maybe they should move to the SC as well.

          • July 18, 2014 at 2:24 pm
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            I think they’re already from South Carolina. Oh! You meant Supreme Court! My bad.

        • July 15, 2014 at 1:28 pm
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          Well, LiveFree, it’s probably because they live in Mass and didn’t want to travel all the way to DC to protest at the SCOTUS. I imagine it’s more logistics than a statement.

          • July 16, 2014 at 10:09 am
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            Logistic may be an issue surely, but their message of “boycott Hobby Lobby” is pretty clear.

          • July 16, 2014 at 10:55 am
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            Hobby Lobby represents all that is wrong with the right wing religious fanaticals in this country. It has no place in business. Period.

          • July 16, 2014 at 12:00 pm
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            I don’t understand that position.

          • July 16, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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            Religion has no place in the business world. That’s my position. Say what you want about the ACA, but it is the law (right or wrong) and to cry foul based on religion is wrong. They are a for-profit company and they should have to follow the law like everyone else.

          • July 17, 2014 at 9:12 am
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            But freedom of religion is also law and in the constitution. So what happens when two laws collide and one is a constitutional law (not to mention a legislative act as well)? The constitutional one wins, at least in this case. I don’t expect any kind of consistency with this justice system.

            Your argument/position isn’t effective because the other side can take the same exact argument. The fact that the only recourse HL had was to use their religious freedom act card is the real shame. It shows how messed up our courts are that they won’t recognize individual rights.

            A law that is not just should not be followed, so the whole “it’s the law, deal with it” stance is disturbing to me. I refuse to bend to authoritative decrees that I oppose. The constitution even gives m and all citizens that right through jury nullification.

          • July 17, 2014 at 5:25 pm
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            “Hobby Lobby represents all that is wrong with the right wing religious fanaticals in this country. It has no place in business. Period.”

            Hobby Lobby pays their lowest paid employee 14/hr. How exactly are they all that is wrong with the right wing religious fanaticals(not a word) in this country? You’re so F***ing delusional Libby. Just what is wrong with you?

          • July 18, 2014 at 8:29 am
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            Destro, how do you know how much Hobby Lobby pays nationally?

          • July 18, 2014 at 8:45 am
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            What does their pay scale have to do with my comment? Religion has no place in business. Period. Keep your religion to yourself and I’ll do the same.

          • July 18, 2014 at 9:12 am
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          • July 18, 2014 at 10:10 am
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            You “know” no such thing. I am not an atheist. But our country was founded on the principal of religious freedom. That also includes freedom from religion. I don’t force mine on you. Don’t force yours on me. That hardly makes me a socialist.

          • July 18, 2014 at 10:36 am
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            Nobody is forcing their religion on you (besides the religion of climate change.)

          • July 18, 2014 at 11:41 am
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            Sure feels that way to me. We can agree to disagree.

          • July 18, 2014 at 12:22 pm
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            That is, if you’re grown-up enough. It takes maturity to agree to disagree. Are you up to it?

  • July 14, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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    I think I saw that Hobby Lobby still was providing 20 out of 24 birthcontrol options. only 4 were in question.
    why should it be am employers job to pay for an employees recreational sex?????

    • July 14, 2014 at 3:44 pm
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      Why should they pay for lung cancer treatment for smokers? Or diabetes treatment for overweight people? Or pregnancy expenses for someone promiscuous and not responsible enough to use birth control?

      The answer? They shouldn’t. We should have universal healthcare with the option to buy up to a “cadillac” plan if that’s what you want. Then maybe everyone could stop bitching about birth control &/or abortion. I thought we had a separation between church and state. That’s slowly being eroded by the teajadist fanatics.

      • July 14, 2014 at 4:19 pm
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        Libby; I don’t understand your point. Do you believe that birth control coverage and abortion coverage should be in a Cadillac plan and not in the plan mandated by the government? If so, then you would not have a problem with what Hobby Lobby is willing to offer.

        • July 14, 2014 at 4:25 pm
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          No. I think it should be included in the universal plan. The cadillac plan would allow you to visit private doctors &/or hospitals that were not included in the universal plan. That’s how it’s done elsewhere.

          • July 17, 2014 at 5:28 pm
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            You’re a Socialist psychotic.

          • July 18, 2014 at 8:46 am
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            Is that your professional opinion Dr. Des?

          • July 18, 2014 at 10:14 am
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            Absolutely. Furthermore I’d say you suffer from narcissistic delusions of grandeur.

          • July 18, 2014 at 11:42 am
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            Where did you get your degree? Smartass U?

    • July 15, 2014 at 2:03 pm
      txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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      I think if your many hobby is dealing with crafts, you don’t have recreational sex

      • July 17, 2014 at 5:31 pm
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        Hahaha that was a good one.

        • July 18, 2014 at 10:15 am
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          Ok, it’s become glaringly apparent that I’m just being insta-downvoted by the handful of Lib-pyschopaths on this site.

          • July 18, 2014 at 11:19 am
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            No Destro, that is the work of the Neo-bots that thumbed you down. If you like a post from the other team, they will give you the ole’ frat boy thumb up the poop cute for punishment. They are fearful they may lose you and may try to blacklist you on this forum.

  • July 14, 2014 at 4:51 pm
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    I think if abortion was acceptable in most parts of the Bible Belt, many of these teajadist and neo-cons wouldn’t be alive today.

    • July 14, 2014 at 4:53 pm
      txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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      Just ask Scott DesJarlais

      • July 15, 2014 at 1:00 pm
        LiveFree says:
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        You have a lot of hate in you. Quite off-putting to say the least.

        • July 15, 2014 at 2:18 pm
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          It’s not hate, just the truth of double standards from the party of “do as I say not as I do”. If we are against employers paying for certain types of birth control, then how do home makers pay for theirs? They aren’t working in the private sector, yet the spouse’s employer has to pay for their birth control. Shouldn’t they have to take their slippers off and go to work and earn theirs? Or are they entitled because in many conservative households, the practice of momma bear staying home so she doesn’t cheat on papa bear is the norm plus she’s an additional tax write off. Mamma bear could go to work while she has school aged children and be home in time to be home when the cubs come home from school. This would be against the rules of submission and quite frankly, would be unacceptable in the eyes of the conservatives.

          • July 16, 2014 at 10:18 am
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            ” think if abortion was acceptable in most parts of the Bible Belt, many of these teajadist and neo-cons wouldn’t be alive today.” – That sounds hateful and distasteful to me.

            On the post above, I am not sure I really understand your point. But you did say “If we are against employers paying for certain types of birth control, then how do home makers pay for theirs?” A point of clarification that I think is driving this issue, most are not against employers paying for types of birth control, the issues is that employers shouldn’t be forced to pay for them.

          • July 16, 2014 at 11:09 am
            txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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            Those in the Bible Thumping regions are forced to procreate for various reasons. Prom night, Johnny-Lee Ray wins his first race at the local dirt track, or just the fact that a “man must sire as many offspring as he has seed in his groin and women are the vehicle to get him there.” The result is generational poverty, trailer park living, and brain washing from the right. Had abortion or many of these forms of birth control become available or acceptable, places like Appalachia and Texico would be able to pull their weight a little more. They wouldn’t have the low illiteracy rates, or rely heavily on the government to subsidize their lifestyle including the military as their “only way out”. Hobby Lobby wouldn’t even be a career because these people would have more jobs skills. There is a direct relationship between unwanted pregnancy and the aforementioned perils of society, and it all begins in the back room of a double wide after Johnny-Lee Ray wins that race. Right there on the checked flag colored bed sheets. It would happen in the back seat of the racecar but I don’t think they have those. As they get older, much like mice and cockroaches, they multiply exponentially and this vicious cycle continues. Soon, the Koch Brothers have what seems to be an infinite source of foot soldiers to “fight the good fight” with the blessings of the leaders of the Mega Church culture. This infighting in our country is perpetuated by said offspring of this region and will surely hold us back while “emerging markets” move light years ahead.

          • July 16, 2014 at 12:07 pm
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            Right… Well I did learn that I should avoid any more conversations with you since you are clearly not intelligent enough to say anything more than redneck, Koch brothers, or bible thumper. It’s hard to believe but you’re actually worst than Agent and his ramblings about liberal/progressives. Congrats I guess?

          • July 16, 2014 at 12:30 pm
            txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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            Sounds like we have one of those “Physician’s kid, private school, cake eater, breast fed until 12 years old types” on our hands. Sack up, life isn’t about the trials and tribulations competing in crew or equestrian. Touchy subjects create off the wall exchanges. Any internet forum is not a place of righteousness or elegance.

          • July 16, 2014 at 1:35 pm
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            txmouth –
            You forgot about all the accidental pregnancies after the kids down there drink too much, wait for it, Texico-Medina.

          • July 16, 2014 at 2:44 pm
            txmouthbreatherboogereatertx says:
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            I need a Guinness because that was Brilliant! nice one Cap’t!

          • July 16, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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            Watch it Captain! Sarge will call you racist with talk like that!

          • July 17, 2014 at 9:16 am
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            I understand the trash that can be found on internet forums as you are a tremendous representation. It was my mistake to assume you weren’t trash and communicate with you in the first place.

            Touchy subjects may lead to off the wall exchanges but people like you can’t handle touchy subjects. Instead your emotion takes over and you fly off the handle, showing just how much you really now about the subject.

          • July 17, 2014 at 10:02 am
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            Sounds like you sprouted your first curly LiveFree, congrats. When the rest of it grows in let me know, then we can have a real discussion. In the mean time I’ll be easy on you. As for flying off the handle, let’s just say that is a poor and sheltered assessment on your part. Not everything is puppies and rainbows and if anyone told you that it was, you were lied to.

          • July 18, 2014 at 10:19 am
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            Wow Tx, you are straight up crazy aren’t you.

          • July 18, 2014 at 10:37 am
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            Nah not at all

  • July 15, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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    My stance on this issue portrayed in the link below better than I could portray.

    http://mises.org/daily/6811/EmployerProvided-Health-Care-Is-Not-a-Religious-Issue

    • July 15, 2014 at 1:34 pm
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      Agree with the position, but think we should have universal healthcare for all citizens. It’s my belief that healthcare is a civil right reserved not only for the rich or employed. Remove the profit motive.

      • July 15, 2014 at 2:10 pm
        Original Bob says:
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        It is not a civil right of the rich and the employed, they pay for it. Poor people do get free medical care – Medicaid. Remove the profit motive? Kiss new cures, better treatment and improved medical facilities goodbye. Even the socialized medicine countries can provide quality treatment thanks to the profit motive.

      • July 16, 2014 at 10:13 am
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        I certainly understand the sentiment behind that stance but I strongly disagree with it. Removing the profit motive remove all sources of quality control. My solution would be to increase the profit motive to allow free competition. The healthcare market is far from a free market. The amount of regulations, licensing, legislation that effects it is driving up the price. Then there are gov’t supplement programs that don’t have a price sense so health insurers are able to charge as they wish which drives up doctor fees.

        • July 16, 2014 at 10:58 am
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          I’m talking about the profit motive in health care, not health insurance.

          • July 16, 2014 at 11:00 am
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            I don’t want my doctor more worried about how much he can bill me or my insurance company than about my health and treatment plan. It’s a disincentive to actually cure me.

          • July 16, 2014 at 12:08 pm
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            I was talking about healthcare as well. But health insurance is effecting the price of healthcare because of government alternatives.

          • July 16, 2014 at 2:52 pm
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            They both affect each other. Health insurance will only pay “x” amount, so the physician is forced to over-treat to make a living. Because he over-treats, costs increase and insurance premiums go up. Take the profit motive out of the equation with healthcare by having a universal plan where doctors are paid a salary based on the amount of education they have and amount of hours they work. There will still be plenty of for-profit companies to do R&D on treatments and cures. These companies are not paid by doctors.

          • July 21, 2014 at 12:35 pm
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            Over treating and defensive medicine are the same thing. Tort reform for med mal would do the trick.

  • July 15, 2014 at 2:57 pm
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    Not all uninsured people qualify for medicaid. I know plenty of people that work 40-50 hours a week and have no employer provided health care and don’t make enough to purchase it and raise their families. Yet they work, pay taxes, contribute to society and are decent God-fearing, patriotic citizens. Again, empathy is not so prevalent with your crowd.

    And just what do you mean by “Even the socialized medicine countries can provide quality treatment thanks to the profit motive.”?

    • July 15, 2014 at 3:59 pm
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      • July 15, 2014 at 4:52 pm
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        You’re totally insane. Do you actually think the world operates now like it did in the 50′s and 60′s (which is, by the way, when I was brought up)??? It doesn’t. A family of 4, with both parents working minimum wage, makes maybe $2,200 take home a month. Out of that there is rent/mortgage, transportation, food, school supplies, P&C insurance, clothing, maybe a movie or a pizza once a month as a treat, and NOT MUCH ELSE. The days of yesteryear are over, pal.

        Do you even know how much an office visit is for someone without insurance? Over $100 and that’s not with any tests, or labs, or x-rays, or meds.

        You are totally out of your mind if you think the working poor are better off paying for their own medical care. You have been living the cushy life for too long and are totally out of touch.

        I know 2 people that have had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills. They were working class people that happened to get sick (cancer for one) and have a debilitating injury (back fusion for the other). Tell me that’s the way it should be in America. It’s a crying shame and you should be appalled.

        Instead I hear “the poor have medicare” and “it’s cheaper to pay your medical bills yourself.” You have no idea what you are talking about.

        • July 16, 2014 at 10:24 am
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          A lot of doctor practices are starting to not accept any insurance and their rates are very low. My father is a physician and his partner recently branched off to start doing this, I actually worked for him while I was in going through college. Not accepting medicare or medi-cade (along with private insurance as well) has allowed him reduce all of his prices dramatically.

          That is because the true cost of having a “free” option out there destroys competition and raises prices because they don’t have any price sensitivity.

          • July 16, 2014 at 11:02 am
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            If it ALL was “free” each doctor would be paid the same. Check it out. It works well in the U.K. and Canada despite what Americans say about it. Physicians there are very happy with their compensation.

          • July 16, 2014 at 11:07 am
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            Doctors should be paid on results and not just the number of treatments. That’s how the rest of us get paid. It’s great that as a physician you know a lot of important things, but technology has changed the landscape in the medical industry. I’m ok with physicians delegating lower level and preventative treatments to PA’s, but it’s time for them to work on cures and not profit generating narcotics that only maintain one’s health and not resolve the problem.

          • July 16, 2014 at 12:12 pm
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            I am not talking about compensation just procedure prices. And I put free in parentheses to show that I understand it is not free, in fact that was my point. It has a very real cost but to the gov’t and the people using those alternatives it’s “free” (taxpayer money) which means no price sensitivity, which leads to doctors/insuers able to increase prices without any pushback. Why pushback on prices when you’re not the one paying for the service?

          • July 17, 2014 at 8:55 am
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            Actually, LiveFree, the government programs pay on a fee schedule type of system. In some cases (hospitals and home health) there is a set payment for a specific diagnosis & treatment plan. If the provider can treat for less than the payment, they make money, otherwise they actually lose money on that patient.

        • July 16, 2014 at 2:18 pm
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          The world according to Libby, I say oranges you argue apples, I shouldn’t be surprised that you prefer the liberal dogma over logic.

          • July 16, 2014 at 2:56 pm
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            Excuse me? You argued about how things should still be like they were when we were growing up and I argued that that was impossible. How is that apples and oranges?

            Lack of reading comprehension seems to be a real problem with you neo-cons. And in typical fashion, you open your mouth without having a congitive thought in your brain.

          • July 17, 2014 at 11:53 am
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            Thanks Libby, you responded just as I thought you would. When you can’t see the logic or agree with it you result to insults.

          • July 17, 2014 at 2:03 pm
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            Typical. You didn’t answer my question. How was I arguing apples and oranges?

            Answer – I wasn’t.

            Result – Spouting off without congnitive thought.

            Your turn.

      • July 15, 2014 at 5:29 pm
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        Can you tell me a little about the tax rates back then? Oh, and had Reagan destroyed the country yet?

      • July 16, 2014 at 8:21 am
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        I worked in healthcare billing. There is no way a low income person without insurance would pay for an office visit out of pocket. It is just too expensive. One office visit could feed a family of four for a week.

        • July 17, 2014 at 11:51 am
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          OK math 101. One family $400 a month health insurance (cheap), $4,800 a year premium, 3 Doctor visits, let say $500 per visit $4,800 Vs $1,500 the difference will buy them groceries for more than a few weeks. When a major healthcare event occurs take out insurance (remember you can’t be turned down). Please don’t be like Libby and take parts of my posts out of context. If I had the option I’d take the $10,000 a year my employer and I spend for my health insurance, place into a medical savings plan and pay for my own doctor visits.

          • July 17, 2014 at 2:04 pm
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            A – It wouldn’t be $400 with a subsidy.

            B – It wouldn’t cost ANYTHING with universal care.

          • July 18, 2014 at 8:38 am
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            I think health care should be free to the consumer. Yes, I am for universal health care, not insurance premiums paid by the consumer.

            I understand that the VA is an example of this gone wrong. However, I contend that it is not the entire system – only selective parts of the system. The VA clinics and hospitals in Kentucky work well. Appointments and emergencies are handled quickly and efficiently. This is common for all those using the VA in Kentucky, not just my family. It is possible to have universal care successfully.

          • July 18, 2014 at 8:51 am
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            I think it’s appalling that the greatest country on earth can’t provide it’s citizens with the healthcare they need and deserve, when there are many other countries that have been doing so successfully for years. I don’t understand the republicans stance against it. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

          • July 21, 2014 at 12:14 pm
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            Libby says:
            A – It wouldn’t be $400 with a subsidy.
            B – It wouldn’t cost ANYTHING with universal care.

            Libby – It would cost every tax payer. After all, nothing is free.

          • July 21, 2014 at 12:36 pm
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            You don’t get it, FFA. We all pay taxes. If they did a better job on where and how they spent that money there could be plenty for this. In addition, it would be cheaper to do it this way and nothing out of your pocket. How much do you spend annually between premiums, deductibles, and co-pays? That would be money in your pocket. You just have to think outside of the box. Hard for we old dogs, but it’s possible.

          • July 21, 2014 at 10:42 pm
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            Libby Says “If they did a better job on where and how they spent that money”…

            HUH? Really? Now I know your living a fairy tail.
            No one would disagree with you on that point. Hell would freeze over before that happened.

          • July 22, 2014 at 10:19 am
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            FFA – if everyone were as apathetic and defeatist as you are, there would never be any change in this world. You have to think about what COULD be, not what IS in order to affect change.

      • July 17, 2014 at 8:57 am
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        I’m just going to throw this out there. “Original Bob says: Most people don’t need medical insurance.” If that was truly the case, then I doubt insurance would have ever been created.

        • July 21, 2014 at 12:12 pm
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          Everyone needs it at some point in time.

    • July 18, 2014 at 10:30 am
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      ” I know plenty of people that work 40-50 hours a week and have no employer provided health care and don’t make enough to purchase it ”

      And just how has the ACA helped that? By driving up insurance premiums more than any previous point in the history of health insurance? I don’t understand how you can be so damn blind in your support of the ACA and your filthy Socialism.

      • July 18, 2014 at 11:45 am
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        I don’t support the ACA idiot. I support universal healthcare. The ACA isn’t socialist enough for me.

      • July 18, 2014 at 5:02 pm
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        Yeah Libby, how can you support filthy socialism, such as police departments and fire-fighters?

      • July 18, 2014 at 5:09 pm
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        Destro, are you also against our military?

        Are you against those tax-payer funded stadiums?

        Do you have a well in your back yard that you drink from, or do you drink that socialist water?

  • July 16, 2014 at 3:22 pm
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    Here’s the thing I don’t hear anyone address…. Under the current system, when the working poor go uninsured, and they have a catestrophic event (I’m thinking of a friend and my brother in law who both had massive strokes), the taxpayers pay for their care and now SS disability. That’s pretty socialized, right?

    How is having mandated insurance worse for the taxpayers than our paying the high cost of catestriophic care, after the fact? Under a single payor system we would have likely been paying the $100 offic visits and $30 per month generic blood pressure meds… much cheaper for the taxpayers. Both of these guys have probably incurred $250,000 in medical expenses since their strokes.

    Both of these men were around 50, healthy weight and in overall good health. Neither had health insurance therefore neither had regular medical care.

    One of the men lost his home, declared bankruptcy and ended up moving in with his elderly mom. The other is so poor, he rents a room and can afford nothing else. He would be eating cat food if it weren’t for friends and family stepping in, but it’s hard as there’s no end in sight and he’s now only 53.

    • July 16, 2014 at 3:47 pm
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      Absolutely, CG. It would be cheaper and everyone could get the care they need, and indeed are entitled to by being an American citizen. It should be the FIRST priority in the budget. Our tax dollars could not go anywhere more worthwhile.

      • July 17, 2014 at 2:56 pm
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        Libby:
        You’ve convinced me. I’ll stop responding now as I’m off to teach the world to sing and buy them all coke.

        • July 17, 2014 at 3:13 pm
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          Don’t forget to harmonize!

        • July 18, 2014 at 2:23 pm
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          And it’s interesting to note that Canada’s middle class is doing better than ours, even with those “evil socialist” policies. Maybe because they don’t have the “trickle UP” economics given to us be the Lord of the Conservatives, Ronald Reagan and his cronies.

    • July 16, 2014 at 6:28 pm
      company gal says:
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      Interesting…. Wonder what the thumbs down are for? I would love to hear the real response to this, since the talking points just don’t seem to address it. Maybe the thumbs down are for the terrible situation both my friend and BIL are in…

      The other thing…. why are we the only first world country which doesn’t have healthcare figured out, but we always say we’re better than everyone?

  • July 17, 2014 at 8:35 am
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    Unfortunately many of those that are involved in politics feel that this would be government intrusion on their manginas.

  • July 18, 2014 at 1:26 pm
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    All of this protest/boycott stuff reminds me of Amendment 2 in Colorado. All of the Hollywood Elite were going to ‘boycott’ Colorado. But of course when in response someone suggested ‘boycotting’ the elite’s movies and music and Rob Reiner started screaming BLACKLISTING and MCCARTHYISM!!

    Lesson: Boycott or protest something conservative, that’s your right as an American. Boycott a liberal idea, your engaging in naziism, fascism, blacklisting and all other unsavory forms of suppression.

    • July 18, 2014 at 2:05 pm
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      Since this largely impacts women in the continued War on Women, let’s call this a girlcott.

  • July 21, 2014 at 11:41 am
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    Only 2 dozen people… Not too many.



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