More Snow Threatening for Western New York as Flooding Risk

By and | November 20, 2014

  • November 20, 2014 at 1:58 pm
    nuff sed says:
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    I had to laugh when I saw some idiotic news article whose author asserted that this storm was the direct result of man made global warming and challenged the “deniers” to prove him wrong. I wish I’d recall where I saw it-Huffington Post or Takepart maybe, but if someone else sees it and would post the link, I’d be appreciative.

    • November 20, 2014 at 2:08 pm
      Rosenblatt says:
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      Ugh. Okay, once again — climate change is about the entire earth’s rising temperatures, not a single weather event in a sliver of the globe.

      If NY gets a record 100 feet of snow and temp’s are a record -20 degrees below zero year round, but the earth as a whole has seen decrease in snow and increase in temp’s, global warming is still happening even though NY has received record snowfall and record cold.

      Please stop confusing weather with climate. The definitions of those words are paramount to having an intelligent and rational conversation about this topic.

      • November 20, 2014 at 2:34 pm
        Jack says:
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        That why the idiots on the left keeps changing the words they use to define it. That’s what Gruber said.

        • November 20, 2014 at 3:23 pm
          Rosenblatt says:
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          Jack – clearly you aren’t aware of the difference between Global Warming and Climate Change. The terms are different, but they express the same point – just on different time scales.

          Global warming is the observed **century-scale** rise in the average temperature of Earth’s climate system.

          Climate change is a change in…weather patterns when that change lasts for an extended period of time (i.e., **decades to millions of years**).

          Different words – same theory – different time scales.

          I say Global Warming is happening as there’s been an increase in temp’s over the last 100+ years, but also that Climate Change is happening because there’s been an increase in temp’s over the last few centuries too.

          Words changed, but the theory is still the same.

          • November 20, 2014 at 3:27 pm
            Libby says:
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            You’re wasting your breath Roseblatt. Jack doesn’t have the capacity to reason. Only watch FauxNews and regurgitate what he hears as gospel.

          • November 20, 2014 at 3:46 pm
            JACK says:
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            Libby- Gruber and Obola said the average families premium would go down $2500 a year and you could keep your plan and your doctor.

            You and yours bought it 100%! Regurgitate that!

            And on top of that said you were too stupid to figure it out. They were right. Keep drinking your Kool-Aid.

        • November 24, 2014 at 1:12 pm
          Celtica says:
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          If the left and Gruber are idiots, why would you use them to support your argument (rhetorical question.)

      • November 21, 2014 at 4:51 pm
        Team Rosenblatt says:
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        Rosenblatt,

        You are by far one of my favorite posters up here. You are smart, well thought in your responses and always remain cool, calm and collected!! Love reading your posts!

        • November 24, 2014 at 8:32 am
          Rosenblatt says:
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          Thanks a lot, founding member of Team Rosenblatt — I really appreciate reading that!

        • November 24, 2014 at 10:52 am
          Trust me I am not a liberal says:
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          OMG…get a room.

          • November 24, 2014 at 3:06 pm
            Celtica says:
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            Trust Me — is that what your side does during the fustercluck of dislike responses to other “leftist” responses?

  • November 20, 2014 at 2:47 pm
    Jack says:
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    You know how the left now says cow farts are contributing so much to global warming..I’ve come up with my own theory. Dinosaurs had to fart a lot more than cows..right? So maybe they caused the flood? Maybe Noah was anti global warming a long time ago and knew they were the problem and left them off the ark? Just a theory.

    Hey, just want to take this time to welcome all the new American citizens the dictator welcomes into the nation of islam tonight. May you read your Koran and dance around the flag of mexico on every other revolution day hence forth. Praise Allah and free birth control for everyone!

  • November 20, 2014 at 2:52 pm
    nuff sed says:
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    @Rosenblatt
    You are helping to make my point. A single weather event doesn’t prove anything and the shrillness of the pronouncement is what makes the eco lefties look and sound dumb
    Rather you have to look at the empirical evidence over the course of time, which is the single largest flaw in the UN/Al Gore crowd. We have a little over 100 years worth of data which uses an objective measure-F or C-and even with that, the people doing the measuring are not on the same page in terms of the rigor they use. Going back any further, even with scientificly credible forensic tools is at best broadly directional, but realistically doesn’t paint the picture that something is or isn’t happening.
    The scientific community really needs to be able to evaluate exact weather data over multiple changes over the course of tens of thousands of years as oppsed to 100 years worth of data, with a series of fill in the blanks computer models which then are straight line projected into the future.
    When I was in college, the same crowd was talking about “Global Cooling” and the “Nuclear Winter” with the same ferver and guess what, the earth did not and is not turning into a “frozen ball devoid of life” as I heard more than once.
    I’d be more than open to having the conversation you suggest, but with the radical climate change crowd becoming less tolerant of an objective discussion, I doubt that will happen.

    • November 20, 2014 at 3:17 pm
      Rosenblatt says:
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      Your doubts are wrong as it relates to me and an open/tolerant/objective discussion. Naturally I can’t speak for anyone else.

      “The scientific community really needs to be able to evaluate exact weather data over multiple changes over the course of tens of thousands of years as oppsed (sic) to 100 years worth of data, with a series of fill in the blanks computer models which then are straight line projected into the future.”

      I agree. The only way we’ll know if global temperatures are or aren’t increasing is by conducting a study on the long-term weather patterns of the earth. If you (not you per se – the general “you”) reach a conclusion based on inaccurate or incomplete data, the result can’t be trusted.

      My biggest issue in debating climate change with others on this forum is that anyone debating that the climate is not changing to warmer temperatures (except you) have pointed to short-term studies over the past few years that do not factor in the long-term data points needed to come to a reasonable analysis of what’s happened with the earth’s climate over the decades/centuries/etc.

      Glad to read about your openness and willingness to discuss this topic (as opposed to arguing about it with blinders on). It’s quite a refreshing change from the norm around here.

    • November 20, 2014 at 4:19 pm
      JACK says:
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      A couple of volcanoes pop their tops and the earth’s temperature falls a couple of degrees. That’s how it was designed. Hurricanes, floods, fires, obolas, beheadings. It’s all part of the plan…relax.

  • November 20, 2014 at 4:16 pm
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    @Rosenblatt
    I agree with your definitions but they are somewhat akin to lines in the sand as its really a relative term and measurement as opposed to an objective measure with definitive outcomes.
    I’m not sure I agree with you that global warming is occuring. I base that on my primary premise but with some greater detail. the only places where accurate, reliable and durable temperature and weather measurement is taking place is in 1st world nations.
    Its not reasonable that failed nation states-for instance Somalia are doing anywhere near the same job measuring the weather as say the UK. Likewise, while 2nd work nations are probably doing an ok job, I read for instance that Argentina-which fits in that catagory, has only a limited number-like 6, government run or regulated stations that use modern tools to record and be able to report out their data.
    So to me, that leaves a limited data pool of countries whose populations or land mass do not represent that of the earth as a whole.
    Now the only thing that really is available and is objective is the research on cities. It does appear that when you pour enough concrete and aggegrate enough people in one place, then it does appear that whatever weather occurs is acerbated in cities-so warm gets warmer, cold gets colder etc in these areas, but there is no work available to us as laypersons that would indicate that there is any permanant or even lasting effects to this phenomena.

  • November 20, 2014 at 4:32 pm
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    I would also make the the theory that as climate change/Global Warming is entirely or partly man made, then we can somehow fix that.
    Even at our best, we can’t build a road or building that would last 100 years without significant upkeep and maintainence, yet we can somehow fix climate change.
    I’d say that we have way too much hubris and a sense of ourselves that doesn’t seem to match our technological capabilities.
    I still read National Geographic-have since I was a kid even though I really don’t like the preachy,nanny state they imply is needed given this as well as other crises like how are we going to feed an additional 2 billion souls in the next several generations. We are running out of water, crop land, space, the waters are flooding our cities and all with the call to action that “we need to do something NOW or it will be too late-and it may already be too late. Yawn.
    Essentially if you follow their arguments to their logical conclusion, we really have too many people on the earth and the only way to fix it is if we had far fewer people and the ones we have on earth need to reject the modern industrial state and adopt a more agrarian and earth friendly “sustainable” population and world.
    Try telling that to poor kids in the Phillipines that their rather primitive agrarian based society is better for them than what they see in the US or other industrial powers.
    Sorry but they way to improve peoples lives is to improve the quality and quantity of their food supply, introduce modern medicine and insure that there is a modern sanitation system so that people aren’t washing or bathing in a river that people upstream have used as a toilet.
    The western way is clearly what is best for those who embrace it and the faster we introduce those 3 essential elements to every corner of the earth, then we will as a collective people done right by all who live in this world.

    • November 21, 2014 at 9:03 am
      Libby says:
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      You sound somewhat Imperialistic, nuff. And if we have too many people in the world, I know where we can start paring it down. I doubt Jack would be missed.

      • November 21, 2014 at 11:33 am
        KY jw says:
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        That was mean, but very funny.

  • November 21, 2014 at 11:38 am
    nuff sed says:
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    @Libby
    Thats cold even for sarcastic Fridays. I’m not sure that Jack would agree with you.
    Not sure I agree that I sound imperialistic-I would define that as a subjugation of other peoples/nation states for another nation or peoples where there is no mutual benefit.
    Capitalistic use of science and technology are ultimately the tools that provide us with a standard of living and quality of life that is literally and truly the envy of the world. This is all I am advocating. Everyone wants to move here. Not too many people want to emigrate to the Peoples Republic of China for instance.
    If you task a government to reduce world hunger, then maybe it happens and maybe it doesn’t. We are able to feed not only ourselves, but make ample food available to 100s of millions of people around the world. Its popular and easy in some circles to criticize or make fun of the corporations involved in agriculture and the food business, but they get the job done effectively and efficiently. Can you name another group of any kind anywhere in the world who has a similar track record of success?

    • November 21, 2014 at 1:04 pm
      Libby says:
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      Well, nuff sed, the truth hurts. Read his comments and see if it’s not true.

      BTW – I love the American way of life, but don’t think we need to be shoving it down everyone else’s throat. If they want what we have, they can ask.

  • November 21, 2014 at 1:30 pm
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    @Libby
    I agree with you-I’ve found that when people want things and know what it is that they want, then things tend to go much more smoothly as opposed to when someone forces you to do what they think is best. Its really why I’m a proponent of limited government and infterference in peoples lives and why things like Obamacare and having the government force policies based upon unproven environmental theories are wrong for me and the American people as a whole.
    people, not the government take the best care of themselves.

  • November 21, 2014 at 2:01 pm
    Mr.Blues says:
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    It is mind boggling to me that we could have an epic snow storm, even by Buffalo’s standards, with 13 people having lost their lives, and there is not one comment in the first 17 replies that shows any compassion towards the people who are dealing with this situation right now.

    Thoughts and prayers to the people of Buffalo and surrounding areas!!!

    • November 21, 2014 at 2:09 pm
      Libby says:
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      We don’t mean to be callous. I think we think people in Buffalo are used to that kind of weather.

  • November 21, 2014 at 3:34 pm
    nuff sed says:
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    13? Thats horrible.
    I had no idea. Thanks for bringing me back to reality.



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