Narcotic painkillers are the only on-topic alternative based on the facts of this article as they pertain to Gaetan Bourgoin.
September 19, 2017 at 7:06 pm
PolarBeaRepeal says:
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Nope. You’re wrong, AGAIN. I checked with a couple doctors. Where did you get your medical degree? Bernie Sanders’ wife’s now-defunct college?
September 20, 2017 at 1:20 am
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Please elucidate us on these other options, Yogi.
I await you bringing up Eastern Medicine and Homeopathic “Remedies”
September 20, 2017 at 7:47 am
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@Doug; ask your doctor. He’ll tell you to stop trying to drag people down your ‘rabbit holes’ for childish arguments about known facts.
September 20, 2017 at 7:48 am
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Does anyone pushing for pot as a pain killer here have a medical degree? I thought not. Doctors and dentists I know do have such certification.
September 20, 2017 at 12:38 pm
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I can’t speak for other, but the reasons I push for the legalization of marijuana are as follows:
1. Freedom and liberty
2. Save billions of $$ due to enforcement, courts and incarceration
3. Free up the police to pursue far more dangerous criminals who are out to directly harm fellow citizens, like Antifa, Neo-Nazis, etc.
4. Take a huge cut from drug cartels
5. Increase tax revenues
The fact that it can also be used as a safer, less destructive pain killer than opioids is just a bonus. Not saying it is the only non-opioid pain killer.
@Ron; re: your ‘freedom & liberty’ reason; does that mean you’d support pedaphealia, etc. too? No lines drawn in regard to expanding liberty into what many generations thought was improper behavior?
September 21, 2017 at 8:29 am
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You constantly speak about straw man arguments and going down rabbit holes, then post, “@Ron; re: your ‘freedom & liberty’ reason; does that mean you’d support pedaphealia, etc. too?”?
My point, which, as usual, you completely missed, was the freedom and liberty are a reason I am for the legalization of marijuana, period. It does mean I think everyone should have the freedom and liberty to do anything they want. We do still need laws. However, I believe those laws should be designed to protect us from one another, not from ourselves.
As I laid it out, real Conservatives should be for the legalization of marijuana since it checks every box they are suppose to support.
September 21, 2017 at 8:30 am
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Correction: “It does NOT mean…”
September 21, 2017 at 12:37 pm
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Ron; meet Rabbit.
Rabbit; meet Ron.
Hole; meet Ron and long-time resident, Mr. Rabbit.
September 21, 2017 at 12:49 pm
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Nice job taking over for UW as the biggest troll on IJ.
September 21, 2017 at 12:56 pm
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Yogi, we are still waiting for you to enlighten us to all of these alternative painkillers that are out there on the market going unused.
By all means, we’re all eyes here.
September 21, 2017 at 3:22 pm
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@Doug; search in your rabbit hole for the names of the painkillers. Aspirin is an old painkiller, but there are thousands of others for different purposes.
WHAT pain are you concerned about, and how old are the patients? That should help you narrow your internet search.
September 21, 2017 at 4:13 pm
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Doug, don’t you remember this as part of PBR’s posting methods?
You forgot part of step 3 Doug
3a. “I’m not going down YOUR rabbit hole even though I was the one who brought it up in the first place!”
September 21, 2017 at 4:16 pm
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Aspirin side effects from verywell.com:
rash or hives
facial swelling (such as in the lips or tongue)
rapid breathing, or difficulty breathing
an unusually rapid heartbeat
vomiting blood or a “coffee ground” substance
ringing ears or difficulty hearing
bloody or black bowel movements
Aspirin is also a blood thinner, so it cannot be taken by hemophiliacs, and can cause Reye’s Syndrome when taken by children and adolescence, especially when recovering from flu-like symptoms or chicken pox.
Plus, Aspirin is ineffective at treating intense pain. The amount needed to ingest to treat pains this intense would assuredly cause severe and/or life-threatening complications.
Everybody knows aspirin, acetaminophen, ibuprofen, and naproxen sodium. None of those can compare to the relief that opiods give to paid sufferers.
Again, what are some ACTUAL, PRACTICAL alternatives to opiod painkillers?
Polar – your link talks about only two alternatives and they’re both extremely similar to marijuana.
Dronabinol = man-made form of cannabis
Nabilone = synthetic cannabinoid
So the alternative to using marijuana is to use man-made cannabis or the synthetic THC.
There aren’t any NON-THC or NON-CANNABIS related alternatives discussed in your link.
September 22, 2017 at 8:17 am
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Leave it to Yogi to actually prove the position that he is arguing against.
You can’t make this up, folks.
September 22, 2017 at 12:38 pm
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Both of you are going to dig a deeper hole every time you reply to posts in which I provide PROOF of alternatives to pot.
‘Synthetic pot’ isn’t what those two drugs are, despite what you want to believe. They are pain meds, and nothing like pot in its ‘street use’.
You can’t accept the fact that I pointed out TWO alternatives – and there are others that aren’t ‘synthetic pot’ (your term). YOU can do the internet search to find the dozens of others.
September 22, 2017 at 1:41 pm
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Man-made cannabis and synthetic cannabinoids are not like the ‘street’ form of marijuana? Puh-lease. You must be high.
September 19, 2017 at 3:09 pm
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The facts are that we KNOW opioid pain killers can be very addictive and lead to seriously impaired people (if they are hooked and no longer suffering from pain). Marijuana is a plant, like so many others that have been bred to produce medicine. Why can’t everyone in this country outgrow the movie “reefer madness” and recognize marijuana as a medicinal product?
As soon as the federal law changes, the major pharmaceutical companies can start to develop pot as well.
Sorry; the ‘reefer madness is wrong’ defense doesn’t work in light of all the credible, conclusive evidence of the harm done to humans of all ages by long term use of pot.
Thought so. At least you have moved from blatant lying to defeatist ignoring of facts.
Careful readers can sense the BS in a post that refuses to back itself up with hard data. Legal medical marijuana is coming nationwide to a state near you no matter what. It is a proposition of “when”, not “if.”
The world will be better for it to reduce prescriptions of opioid painkillers.
September 20, 2017 at 3:04 pm
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Chase your tail down your rabbit holes alone. I am aware of plenty of supporting data. I am not your ‘research Googlist’, and expect you’d simply ignore or discredit any article that is contrary to your position.
September 20, 2017 at 4:24 pm
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You forgot part of step 3 Doug
3a. “I’m not going down YOUR rabbit hole even though I was the one who brought it up in the first place!”
September 20, 2017 at 1:31 pm
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From Massachusetts waiting on outcome. Went to court in July, workers comp was ordered by Judge to reimburse me for medical marijuana. The workers comp insurance company is refusing to reimburse. My attorney said we had to wait 90 days, that the workers comp insurance company will be fined. I had severe depression taking opiates and breathing problems. Medical marijuana doesn’t have side effects.
I hope you get the care you need and win your case. I know a lot of comp carriers (I work for one) don’t want to get mixed up with medical marijuana due to its illegal nature in the federal eyes, but stick with it and good luck!
I am sorry to hear that opiods were doing you such harm! Good luck and I hope you can get the treatment you need.
Well, the studies might show an increase in hypertension from prolonged use, but what medicine doesn’t have potential side affects.
I would love to hear the commercial disclaimer now when they finally advertise marijuana as a medication on TV:
Some patients may have a feeling of euphoria, giggles, munchies, and/or trouble remembering things while on marijuana. If these symptoms last more than 4 hours, you got some good stuff!!!
If the study you are talking about is the same one that Yogi posted a while ago, there was a major limitation in that study — they had no idea how much the people in the group actually smoked.
They admitted all they knew was the participants smoked marijuana at least once. Could be they never smoked again (I have friends who tried it once and never again). Could be they smoked 100 joints a day for a week, or a year, or 5 years. Knowing how much was smoked and how long it was used is necessary to know if there’s actually a correlation between prolonged use and hypertension as they claimed their results “proved.”
This is hilarious! I love the list of possible symptoms!
Unfortunately, the drug companies aren’t pleased that the average person can grow this in their backyard; they are going to throw every wrench in the cog their billions can buy to prevent research regarding marijuana consumption. The more doubt they can create as to the side effects and trying to convince people their minds will be fried, the more they can market their high-cost prescription products to doctors and charge what they want. They would rather you not be healthy or find easy means of relief because it’s all about the dollar in our “wonderful” capitalist society.
These ‘legalize pot’ articles sure generate a lot of traffic by stoners who up-vote the posts supporting legalization and down-vote those posts by posters who are opposed to it. I’m not surprised, given the level of daytime work activity by stoners.
Oh, but Ron, he contributes so much to the discussions here!
Without Yogi, we would be deprived of:
libitterals
rabbit holes
ready. steady. go!
Al Gore posts
Hillary Clinton posts
Obama blaming
straw-man arguments
ad hominem attacks in one post, and whining about them in the next.
So much value would be lost if he actually worked during the day.
Workman comp is being paid for cannabis in other states. Pay up.
Turn those injured workers into mush brains. What a deal.
The alternative, opioid painkillers, would make your brain even “mushier” and would both cost more and have a much higher risk of addiction.
Opioids are not the only alternative painkiller.
Narcotic painkillers are the only on-topic alternative based on the facts of this article as they pertain to Gaetan Bourgoin.
Nope. You’re wrong, AGAIN. I checked with a couple doctors. Where did you get your medical degree? Bernie Sanders’ wife’s now-defunct college?
Please elucidate us on these other options, Yogi.
I await you bringing up Eastern Medicine and Homeopathic “Remedies”
@Doug; ask your doctor. He’ll tell you to stop trying to drag people down your ‘rabbit holes’ for childish arguments about known facts.
Does anyone pushing for pot as a pain killer here have a medical degree? I thought not. Doctors and dentists I know do have such certification.
I can’t speak for other, but the reasons I push for the legalization of marijuana are as follows:
1. Freedom and liberty
2. Save billions of $$ due to enforcement, courts and incarceration
3. Free up the police to pursue far more dangerous criminals who are out to directly harm fellow citizens, like Antifa, Neo-Nazis, etc.
4. Take a huge cut from drug cartels
5. Increase tax revenues
The fact that it can also be used as a safer, less destructive pain killer than opioids is just a bonus. Not saying it is the only non-opioid pain killer.
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You constantly speak about straw man arguments and going down rabbit holes, then post, “@Ron; re: your ‘freedom & liberty’ reason; does that mean you’d support pedaphealia, etc. too?”?
My point, which, as usual, you completely missed, was the freedom and liberty are a reason I am for the legalization of marijuana, period. It does mean I think everyone should have the freedom and liberty to do anything they want. We do still need laws. However, I believe those laws should be designed to protect us from one another, not from ourselves.
As I laid it out, real Conservatives should be for the legalization of marijuana since it checks every box they are suppose to support.
Correction: “It does NOT mean…”
Ron; meet Rabbit.
Rabbit; meet Ron.
Hole; meet Ron and long-time resident, Mr. Rabbit.
Nice job taking over for UW as the biggest troll on IJ.
Yogi, we are still waiting for you to enlighten us to all of these alternative painkillers that are out there on the market going unused.
By all means, we’re all eyes here.
@Doug; search in your rabbit hole for the names of the painkillers. Aspirin is an old painkiller, but there are thousands of others for different purposes.
WHAT pain are you concerned about, and how old are the patients? That should help you narrow your internet search.
Doug, don’t you remember this as part of PBR’s posting methods?
You forgot part of step 3 Doug
3a. “I’m not going down YOUR rabbit hole even though I was the one who brought it up in the first place!”
Aspirin side effects from verywell.com:
rash or hives
facial swelling (such as in the lips or tongue)
rapid breathing, or difficulty breathing
an unusually rapid heartbeat
vomiting blood or a “coffee ground” substance
ringing ears or difficulty hearing
bloody or black bowel movements
Aspirin is also a blood thinner, so it cannot be taken by hemophiliacs, and can cause Reye’s Syndrome when taken by children and adolescence, especially when recovering from flu-like symptoms or chicken pox.
Plus, Aspirin is ineffective at treating intense pain. The amount needed to ingest to treat pains this intense would assuredly cause severe and/or life-threatening complications.
Everybody knows aspirin, acetaminophen, ibuprofen, and naproxen sodium. None of those can compare to the relief that opiods give to paid sufferers.
Again, what are some ACTUAL, PRACTICAL alternatives to opiod painkillers?
Optional pain meds, per ADA;
http://www.livestrong.com/article/137065-what-are-prescription-drugs-that-are-substitute-marijuana/
Polar – your link talks about only two alternatives and they’re both extremely similar to marijuana.
Dronabinol = man-made form of cannabis
Nabilone = synthetic cannabinoid
So the alternative to using marijuana is to use man-made cannabis or the synthetic THC.
There aren’t any NON-THC or NON-CANNABIS related alternatives discussed in your link.
Leave it to Yogi to actually prove the position that he is arguing against.
You can’t make this up, folks.
Both of you are going to dig a deeper hole every time you reply to posts in which I provide PROOF of alternatives to pot.
‘Synthetic pot’ isn’t what those two drugs are, despite what you want to believe. They are pain meds, and nothing like pot in its ‘street use’.
You can’t accept the fact that I pointed out TWO alternatives – and there are others that aren’t ‘synthetic pot’ (your term). YOU can do the internet search to find the dozens of others.
Man-made cannabis and synthetic cannabinoids are not like the ‘street’ form of marijuana? Puh-lease. You must be high.
The facts are that we KNOW opioid pain killers can be very addictive and lead to seriously impaired people (if they are hooked and no longer suffering from pain). Marijuana is a plant, like so many others that have been bred to produce medicine. Why can’t everyone in this country outgrow the movie “reefer madness” and recognize marijuana as a medicinal product?
As soon as the federal law changes, the major pharmaceutical companies can start to develop pot as well.
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Please, by all means, we are waiting.
Bring up the non-credible hypertension study again.
No, we’ll wait.
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Thought so. At least you have moved from blatant lying to defeatist ignoring of facts.
Careful readers can sense the BS in a post that refuses to back itself up with hard data. Legal medical marijuana is coming nationwide to a state near you no matter what. It is a proposition of “when”, not “if.”
The world will be better for it to reduce prescriptions of opioid painkillers.
Chase your tail down your rabbit holes alone. I am aware of plenty of supporting data. I am not your ‘research Googlist’, and expect you’d simply ignore or discredit any article that is contrary to your position.
You forgot part of step 3 Doug
3a. “I’m not going down YOUR rabbit hole even though I was the one who brought it up in the first place!”
From Massachusetts waiting on outcome. Went to court in July, workers comp was ordered by Judge to reimburse me for medical marijuana. The workers comp insurance company is refusing to reimburse. My attorney said we had to wait 90 days, that the workers comp insurance company will be fined. I had severe depression taking opiates and breathing problems. Medical marijuana doesn’t have side effects.
patti,
I hope you get the care you need and win your case. I know a lot of comp carriers (I work for one) don’t want to get mixed up with medical marijuana due to its illegal nature in the federal eyes, but stick with it and good luck!
I am sorry to hear that opiods were doing you such harm! Good luck and I hope you can get the treatment you need.
Use alternatives that are readily available. Problem solved. Problem persists if you really want a high along with your pain relief. So, which is it?
Well, the studies might show an increase in hypertension from prolonged use, but what medicine doesn’t have potential side affects.
I would love to hear the commercial disclaimer now when they finally advertise marijuana as a medication on TV:
Some patients may have a feeling of euphoria, giggles, munchies, and/or trouble remembering things while on marijuana. If these symptoms last more than 4 hours, you got some good stuff!!!
If the study you are talking about is the same one that Yogi posted a while ago, there was a major limitation in that study — they had no idea how much the people in the group actually smoked.
They admitted all they knew was the participants smoked marijuana at least once. Could be they never smoked again (I have friends who tried it once and never again). Could be they smoked 100 joints a day for a week, or a year, or 5 years. Knowing how much was smoked and how long it was used is necessary to know if there’s actually a correlation between prolonged use and hypertension as they claimed their results “proved.”
This is hilarious! I love the list of possible symptoms!
Unfortunately, the drug companies aren’t pleased that the average person can grow this in their backyard; they are going to throw every wrench in the cog their billions can buy to prevent research regarding marijuana consumption. The more doubt they can create as to the side effects and trying to convince people their minds will be fried, the more they can market their high-cost prescription products to doctors and charge what they want. They would rather you not be healthy or find easy means of relief because it’s all about the dollar in our “wonderful” capitalist society.
These ‘legalize pot’ articles sure generate a lot of traffic by stoners who up-vote the posts supporting legalization and down-vote those posts by posters who are opposed to it. I’m not surprised, given the level of daytime work activity by stoners.
More irony from one of the most frequent posters on IJ.
Oh, but Ron, he contributes so much to the discussions here!
Without Yogi, we would be deprived of:
libitterals
rabbit holes
ready. steady. go!
Al Gore posts
Hillary Clinton posts
Obama blaming
straw-man arguments
ad hominem attacks in one post, and whining about them in the next.
So much value would be lost if he actually worked during the day.
Doug Fisher, you win the internet today!