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I had the same experience as your brother. I lost a leg, but I am alive because my helmet hit the truck that backed out in front of me rather than hitting my head. The absolute freedom demanded by the anti-helmet riders is the real fraud here.
HELMETS ARE NOT THE KEY ISSUE:
90% of all motorcycle fatalities occur on undivided roads, where automobile drivers can most easily violate the right-of-way of motorcyclists.
75% of all motorcycle accidents involve another motor vehicle.
66% of all multi-vehicular motorcycle accidents are caused by motorists failing to yield the right-of-way to motorcycles.
50% of all motorcycle accidents are caused by the inattentional blindness of automobile drivers.
The most important aspect of motorcycle safety is CRASH PREVENTION, not CRASH SURVIVAL. And the greatest single challenge is not helmets or helmet laws … it is the negligence, distraction and inattentional blindness of automobile drivers!
It\’s interesting the blame put on automobiles. I see 99% of all motorcycles significantly exceeding the speed limit and not paying attention to the traffic lanes- riding between cars.
Interesting comment posted regarding helmets verus \”the other driver\”. First,my 54 year old brother just lost his lower left leg due to an accident. If he had not had on his helment he would have been killed instantly. Fortunately the helmet took the brunt of the head slam. He did have a huge spot on his forehead but after 4 x-rays the doctor\’s were convinced the injury was not life threatening.
The bike did go down slid about 100 feet with his leg pinned between the pavement and the Harley Heritage grinding of his foot. so much for heavy Harley boots!!
So don\’t give me this **** that helmets are not necessary. If you can train all the cage drivers to see bikers, I want to talk to you about getting me a personal interview with GOD.
Dale Alumbaugh
Let people be accountable for their own risks! Wear a helmet and stop boozing before biking and you have a better shot at riding again another day. When driving a motorcycle, act like a car and do the speed limit and stay in your lane and stop pulling up along side cars or going in between cars like the previous post says. Be safe and live!
The cause of the accident has little to do with the survival rate (other than alcohol), but helmets obviously do. I am an insurance agent, defensive driving instructor, former EMT and maybe more importantly ride a 1100 CC cruiser, and wouldn\’t leave the driveway without a helmet. If you don\’t care about yourself, or your loved ones maybe you should be concerned with the economic impact. It can\’t be long before insurance carriers either refuse to pay out on claims for helmetless riders, or at the very least jack rates through the roof in states that allow this insanity. Seatbelts and helmets save lives – its a fact, and it SHOULD be the law!
Nobody said that \”… helmets are not necessary\”, hot shot.
The point here is that the focus should be CRASH PREVENTION, not CRASH SURVIVAL. Helmets cannot prevent crashes, but mitigating the negligence and inattentional blindness of motorists can.
And yes, I encourage you to wear a helmet at all times: not just on motorcycles, but in your car, boat and bathtub as well. Safety first, right?
First I want to acknowledge that both of you have valid points. Being a former Harley rider I know that riders, especially younger ones may tend to be over confident in their abilities. I have witnessed the insanity of the careless motorcyclists who take unnecessary risks because they can squeeze in and out of places cars can\’t go. I have also witnessed the stupidity of automobile drivers who think its funny to cut you off because they have also seen the idiots who abuse the roadways. There are also those who deliberately will cross into your lane or on rainy days ride too close.
I admit as a driver I too have at times not seen a motorcyclist until it was almost too late. Point is, I don\’t believe the general public realizes the risks you take getting on a bike, they don\’t take into consideration that a motorcycle stops much faster so they need to leave more space. Sad fact is that unless you are going to make people go to safety classes specifically designed to educate motorcyclists and drivers alike on these differences this problem will continue to grow because of the general inattentiveness of most drivers and we have all been that driver at one time or another.
I believe it was clearly stated that speed and size of the motorcycle as % of accidents was relatively insignificant.
Alcohol is a factor in automobile crashes as well.
Statistic shown clearly demonstrated the overwhelming number of accidents can be attributed to other vehicle drivers.
the forum was a sham and my hope is that this article is considered opinion and not a representation of the facts..rc
The \”cause\” of accidents has everything to do with survival rates. Remove the cause of the accident. No accident. Nothing to survive.
If every insurance agent who uses a cell phone while driving were to cease my bet is we would see a % drop in accidents.
If you watched the forum you also became aware of the panopoly of possibly fatal injuries that can occur that can not be protected by a helmet.
Remove the cause. Yank the insurance of those drivers to blind or distracted to see a motorcycle. Could be a kid on a bicycle……rc
A helmet saved my life after some dip rear ended me knocking me 180 feet. Score: Helmet 1 Riders: who knows he got a cheap ticket and is still driving. You want a helmet law fine. Also pass a law that takes that dip *&^% of the street. I tried but he skipped town. rc
Did that statistic come from the NHSTA or did ya do your own study or just make it up. Lets see the methodology. Hmm I saw a motorcycle speed. ergo all motorcycles speed……..rc
It is truly amazing the people who feel that they should have the right to do whatever they want if it doesn\’t hurt anyone else. That idea in itself really doesn\’t even deserve much comment other than…are you out of your mind. Look, bottomline, if you ride and I do, you will and I repeat will be involved in an accident at some point. If you survive depends a great deal on your skill and your protective equipment. Your rights stop when I as a rider and tax payer have to pay higher rates or taxes to wipe you off the asphalt because you want to have the right to do whatever you want. By the way, I don\’t really care how old you are or how experienced you are where the right equipment and you have a better chance of walking away relatively unharmed. It doesn\’t work in every case, but the percentages are in your favor.
Actually RC it is my study. I have come to note the ones who now do not speed. When I see these \”ninga\” bikes going down the LIE at speeds well in excess of 100mph I only pray they dont hit me- my family- or someone else. They also ride in packs. I also pray I dont change lanes when one is moving this fast since the probability of seeing them is slim to none.
Go to Myrtle Beach during Memorial Day weekend and see how wreckless the bikers are. It is some sort of bikers\’ week. This year they reported only 4 deaths and labeled it a success!
Excuse me Bruce but why is it that every time I go to LdrLongDistanceRider.com and attempt to express a critical view my post is deleted and my IP address is blocked? Not only that but my email address gets spammed. Not quite ready for open debate are you?
I agree with \”no name\”. Automobiles do not cause motorcyclists to crash. Inexperience and arrogance cause motorcyclists to crash. Helmuts only protect the rider from severe trauma. Don\’t want to wear because it \”makes you feel free and manly\” then fine, be a vegetable on your own dime and just sign this waiver releasing liability of any and all parties except yourself.
There is no logic for a car driver to wear a helmut. Are you naturally stupid or do you work hard at it? Now maybe if you said don\’t drive and talk on the phone your argument might have been logical. Your comments about the bathtub are equally stupid. As for the boat, one should wear a lifejacket or run the risk of drowning. This is prevention, prevention of a death. It appears your ego is too big to see the truth.
If \”no logic for a car driver to wear a [helmet]\”, then why do NASCAR drivers wear one? And if you slipped in the
shower, which would you rather hit the hot water handle first, your forehead … or your helmet? And thanks for the
tip on life jackets. I think ALL motorists should wear one, just in case they go off a bridge!
Cager 8 Says:
Automobiles do not cause motorcyclists to crash. Inexperience and arrogance cause motorcyclists to crash.
LdrLongDistanceRider.com Says:
If that statement summarizes your familiarity with the statistics, then I fear you have established that neither reason, research nor a fundamental grasp of scientific methodology are likely present in your neural net.
Clewless 7 Says:
Excuse me Bruce but why is it that every time I go to LdrLongDistanceRider.com and attempt to express a critical view my
post is deleted and my IP address is blocked?
LdrLongDistanceRider.com Says:
I have no idea. Did you have words with someone at Bravenet, maybe? If you are having problems posting to our forum,
email your posting directly to me … or Madd Ray … or RC … and we will be happy to post it for you.
Cager 7 Says:
Go to Myrtle Beach during Memorial Day weekend and see how wreckless \”the bikers\” are.
LdrLongDistanceRider.com Says:
Get on any freeway in America and see how wreckless \”the short soccer moms weaving between lanes in oversized SUVs
with one pinkie on the steering wheel they can\’t see over while the rest of that hand holds their Starbucks
Frappacino and the other hand keeps a cell phone glued to their ear discussing yesterday\’s episode of
Days of Our Lives as they crane their necks over their seats to shout at their spoiled brat kids\” are.
LdrLongDistanceRider_com , Do you know what weekend that happens in Myrtle Beach??
Clewless 6 Says:
Look, bottomline, if you ride and I do, you will and I repeat will be involved in an accident at some point. If you
survive depends a great deal on your skill and your protective equipment. Your rights stop when I as a rider and
tax payer have to pay higher rates or taxes to wipe you off the asphalt because you want to have the right to do
whatever you want. By the way, I don\’t really care how old you are or how experienced you are where the right
equipment and you have a better chance of walking away relatively unharmed. It doesn\’t work in every case, but the
percentages are in your favor.
LdrLongDistanceRider.com Says:
You have TOTALLY missed the point. The best way to avoid the injuries and fatalities associated with motorcycle
accidents is to PREVENT the accidents from occuring in the first place. What\’s the best use of your tax dollars,
Clewless? Treating the symptoms, or curing the disease?
Clewless 5 Says:
I don\’t believe the general public realizes the risks you take getting on a bike, they don\’t take into consideration
that a motorcycle stops much faster so they need to leave more space. Sad fact is that unless you are going to make
people go to safety classes specifically designed to educate motorcyclists and drivers alike on these differences
this problem will continue to grow…
LdrLongDistanceRider.com Says:
Cagers will not start \”seeing\” motorcycles with their eyes until their minds start \”seeing\” the act of injuring or
killing a biker as a source of risk, harm, injury or mortality for themselves. Yes, the state can teach them that.
MAYBE. Or we bikers can teach them that. FOR SURE.
Cager 4 Says:
The cause of the accident has little to do with the survival rate (other than alcohol), but helmets obviously do.
LdrLongDistanceRider.com Says:
This statement is nothing more than blatant prevarication conjuncted with subterfuge. If the cause of accident was a butterfly splattering on the glasses of one biker, versus a negligent eighteen wheeler splattering the helmet visor of the other, you gonna say that the \”cause of the accident has little to do with the survival rate\”? And \”helmets obviously do\”?
Get real. According to NHTSA\’s own statistics as quoted by Lautenberg, \”almost half of these deaths involve riders who are not wearing helmets.\” Which means, Pinocchio, that MORE THAN HALF OF THE RIDERS WERE WEARING HELMETS AND DIED ANYWAY!
Cager 3 Says:
When driving a motorcycle, act like a car and do the speed limit and stay in your lane…
LdrLongDistanceRider.com Says:
WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM? If cagers stayed in their lane when they were supposed to, one-half of all motorcycle
accidents would never have happened, including the Big Ben Incident!
Clewless 9 says:
\”The absolute freedom demanded by the anti-helmet riders is the real fraud here.\”
LdrLongDistanceRider.com says:
Your statement makes no sense, and no \”anti-helmet\” riders have posted a comment here. Our position has always been LIDS YES … LID LAWS NO.
Mandatory helmet laws for motorcyclists only are discriminatory. If you want to mandate helmet safety, then apply it to all motorists, so cagers are protected as well. And be sure to include bicyclists, bladers, boaters and bathers.
Cager 2 says:
So don\’t give me this **** that helmets are not necessary. If you can train all the cage drivers to see bikers, I want to
talk to you about getting me a personal interview with GOD.
LdrLongDistanceRider.com Says:
Your reading skills indicate why we didn\’t see you at the last MENSA meeting. Show us where we said \”helmets are not necessary\” (other than quoting you) and we will donate $1,000 to the charity of your choice.
Cager 1 says:
It\’s interesting the blame put on automobiles. I see 99% of all motorcycles significantly exceeding the speed limit and not paying attention to the traffic lanes-riding between cars.
LdrLongDistanceRider.com Says:
Your statistic is an absolute fabrication, which brings your overall integrity into question. Show us ANY statistics from a reliable source proving \”99% of motorcyclists significantly exceed the
speed limit\”, and we will donate $1,000 to the charity of your choice.
1. Check the statistics for people who die falling in the bathtub.
2. Learn how to spell \”Helmet\” before calling somwone stupid. rc
Do the research then get back to me.
The only thing I have to prove is that I can avoid some cager that is trying to kill me while on a cell phone eating a burger or yelling at their kids. Hmmm let me see, I thinnk the research bears that out……rc
after reading the article and some of the comments, i have to say, \”let those who ride decide!\”
like the one gentlemen said, he did 3 tours in Vietnam. he has everyright to decide if he wants to wear a helmet or not.
it would be nice to see the NTSB do something about vehicle operators on cell phones! to me thats a much more severe problem than any motorcyclist. i\’ve been cut off, flipped off, and curse at b/c i got in the way of someone on thier cell phone who had a much more important place to be than i did.
Common courtesy on the roads today is pretty much gone!
I personally don\’t ride, but i know lots of people who do. Most of them do wear a helmet not because they are afraid of what they will do, but because of the way other people on the road drive this day and age.
i do have a Jeep Wrangler and i often do not have doors on so if i ever get hit from the side i know it won\’t be pretty.
Until something is done to slow people down and make them understand where they are going is no more important than where the other person they cut off is going the problem will persist.
As far as the guys who want to get ripped and go ride a motorcyle. to me, thats just natural selection.
I have been a motorcycle enthusiast for almost twenty years. I got into a few crashes within the first year of riding. Wearing my helmet definitely helped in those situations and I personally will always wear a helmet. However, I think the best solution is to mandate helmets for beginners while also making them attend motorcycle safety classes (which are free, at least in PA) since this is the group of people that appear to be mostly responsible for the increase in fatalities. For experienced riders, you should obviously know the risks, and it should be up to you to decide what protective safety equipment you CHOOSE to wear.
Putting all riders in one category is unfair and irresponsible. I personally ride a sport bike, but I take offense to those that stereotype me as an out of control, aggressive, driver that weaves in and out of lanes.
I was in front of a truck today on my way to work that was tailgating me. Does that mean that all truck drivers are tailgaters?
It doesn\’t matter if you ride or not; it doesn\’t matter if you\’re pro-helmet or not…
There are some things we ALL can do.
These are mostly simple things we could even do today.
Cars, four-wheelers, cage drivers – Hang up your phones, quit jacking with your radio/cigarettes/kids/coffee/etc. and PAY ATTENTION. This not only benefits those around you, but it benefits yourself and your passengers, too. Multi-tasking wasn’t meant to be done behind the wheel.
Bike riders – If YOU don\’t want to wear a helmet, I think it should be your choice to accept that risk… but please put one on your children if you take them on rides. Be aware of your surroundings (in my experience, most bikers are often very aware). Do whatever you reasonably can to draw other drivers\’ attention to you, be it loud pipes, bright lights or reflective surfaces/clothing. Ride in groups when possible.
All of us must SHARE the road. A good way to do that is by observing laws and going with the flow of traffic. Speeding really does not get you there significantly sooner than if you just drive normally.
This also applies to ALL drivers – Don\’t consume alcohol or any drug/medication which impairs your abilities before getting behind the wheel.
Make your voice count when it comes to helmet laws (or any political issue) by contacting your senator. To do so, call the US Capitol switchboard at 202-224-3121.
Share the above with your friends, family and clients. Maybe they already know this information, as it’s just common sense. But it doesn’t hurt to remind them.
None of us are stupid or clueless OR perfect. Certainly we’re not all going to have the same opinion or perspective. However, that shouldn’t prevent us from doing things to protect each other and ourselves when we’re all on the road together.
Oh my the spelling nazi is on the board. watch out!!
I agree and for those excellent car crivers, let\’s get rid of seatbelt laws and speed limit laws as well. These laws are completelty discriminatory against \”perfect\” drivers and lumping all drivers into the same category is unfair and irresponsible.
Since when is \”freedom\” a \”fraud\”. My concern in reading the postings on this forum is that the focus continues to revert back to \”Helmets\’. Are Helmets effective? Yes! It\’s a no brainer (pun intended). However the issue is not \”helmets\”. The issue is decreasing fatalities. What is the best way to do that? Address the cause\’s that make the wearing of a helmet a good idea. Get off the \”emotional\” issue of Helmets. Take your time to bone up on the most recent research and statistics. Not those promoted by a governmental agency that has an agenda. The #1 cause of Motorcycle fatalities is \”inattentional blindness\” and Driver distraction. Niether of which can be addressed by the wearing of a helmet. You as a responsible person have the right to use public roadways without becoming a target. As a responsible motorcyclist it your obligation to take steps to mitigate the factors that are primarily responsible for increasing fatality rates. To argue about Helmets is to only take away from the \”real\” issues and play into the hands of the burecrats. We as \”bikers\” can not continue to play the game of leaving the government to continue to determine what is best for me and you when it is obvious they are ignoring (for political reasons) the real issue. I wear a helmet on most occasions, but I also don\’t want a row violater taking my leg off. Check out the LDR website or e-mail me at rckimnama@aol.com. Or google the research on driver disration studies and inattentional blindness. If you ride an MC you surely know that fighting ourselves is not the answer…..last post I will make here ride safe, ride free.rc
Bob,
You obviously missed the point. If there is one group of riders (inexperienced) that show the greatest increase in fatalities, this is the group that should be addressed with stricter rules. If there were one group of car drivers that are higher risks, then they would warrant special consideration and would require harsher rules. Oh yeah, there is one group and that is teenage drivers who do have different rules.
Your comments are unfair and irresponsible.
The great thing about living in America is you have freedom of choice on most things. These cyclers choose a more dangerous ride, so by definition they are willing to assume the risk of serious injury or death. Besides, it benefits all those people who may die waiting for organ transplants, who DON\’T have a choice in the matter.
Your comment really concerns me and proves to anyone ready this that YOU are in fact a MORON! \”Automobiles do not cause motorcyclists to crash\”. Are you stupid? Do you think we are just driving down the road fat, dumb and happy and we just, FALL OFF OUR BIKES or just run into parked cars or hit trees? Maybe we just get bored and decide to just lay it down for the hell-of-it. You really need professional help and I would like to be the first of what I am sure is a long and growing list of VOLUNTEERS to provide you with some HELP!
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