The reasons are easy for the slow walk of this horrendous piece of bad legislation.
Hoping that the American people will find out what is in AND fall deeply in love with the marvelous benefits
Hoping that one of the Supremes quits, dies, or becomes disable to tip the balance in their favor
Hoping that that the sting of the defeat of this law due to its lack of constitutionality will be held off until after the 2012 election.
Hoping that the current spotlight on spending will fade when the ecomony sends more money to the Feds so the deficits created by this time bomb are reduced from TRILLIONs to mere BILLIONS.
Meanwhile the damage done to the economy by uncertainty of the effects of this law and the myriad new taxes, exemptions, and fees hidden in this bill will slow growth to a crawl.
And hoping that Kathleen Sebelius admission of double counting on Medicare will also go away. These people are the worst of the worst and need to resign and go away.
Agent, you may have missed today’s front page Wall Street Journal article outlining the problem of using FSA’s for heretofore allowed OTC drug purchases that the new law now mandates as needing a perscription in order to use the pre-tax dollars from your FSA. In order to get last years FSA benefit, people using FSAs must schedule a visit with their doctor and beg them to write a prescription for the OTC drug or medical supply. The key quote in the article is “It drives up the cost of health care as opposed to reducing it.”. All for the sake of increasing the amount left in FSAs, so taxes will have to be paid. Like double counting, this was all designed to raise more money so they could reduce the overall cost. All of it done without any consideration for the key cost driver, fees for provider services. This bill was designed to hobble insurance companies rather than attack the real problem. How anyone on this insurance site can defend the nature of this bill and its consequences is beyond me. And please, let’s not hear the compassionate laced arguments of everyone needs health care, that is a cannard with an attempt to move the debate to the theoretical realm all while ignoring the reality of this poisonous piece of political prattle.
The legislation was flawed from the start, unfortunately it was done in back rooms with progressive socialist in charge of pushing for a single payer system and putting in triggers that do just that. Making it mandatory for everyone to purchase and subsidising people without the ability to pay for it is by its nature unconstitutional unless you make it a progressive tax and a single payer system. Then at that point the medical profession’s lobby would sue based on its view of the constitutionality of the law.
Lets start over and address the real issue of healthcare which is NOT the cost of insurance, but the cost of healthcare in our country. Medical institutions would arge that you are getting the best care and it cost’s a great deal. Big Pharm would argue if you want the best medicine you have to invest billions in research and development of new drugs and in order to make these drugs. accessable to third world countries America needs to subsidize the availability of these new drugs worldwide. Hospitals would argue that if you want a fully staffed hospital with the latest in equipment you will have to pay literally tens of thousands of dollars for a few days in a hospital.
My Point of all of this is:
IT IS THE COST OF HEALTHCARE THAT IS DRIVING THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE THROUGH THE ROOF, THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE IS THE SYMPTOM OF THE PROBLEM NOT THE PROBLEM. BE CAREFUL WITH THE NEW HEALTHCARE LAW, IF IT WORKS IT WILL DRIVE THE QUALITY OUT WITH THE COST. IT IS THE OLD ADDAGE, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
Single payer is the ultimate goal but as Obama himself said “…but it will take time to get there…”. So he offers the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which created its own paraprosdokian since it resembles a gold plated prophylactic, it neither protects nor is affordable.
Another thing that is very troubling besides Sebelius double counting on Medicare is that the bill is automatically self funding to the tune of $105 Billion which makes it harder for defunding it. It keeps kicking in as it goes into each year and Sebelius has a 16 billion slush fund she can use however she wants. Perhaps the thing to do is to have all states pass a bill opting out of complying with it. Tennessee has already done it. If those blue states in the north wants it, they can have it. Leave the rest of the country alone.
Agent, I couldn’t agree more. Yesterday, one of the three largest insurers in Maine (seems the N/E doesn’t like it either) obtained an exemption from the law because they made the case they couldn’t meet the 80/20 rule. We are now over 1,000 exemption granted to insurers, unions and other corporations. This thing has already deveolved into political cronyism. If anyone still believes that politicizing one’s health care is healthy, then they are a prine target for a pigeon drop. Let’s see some supporters try to defend this mess, an impossible task when faced with this week’s revelationss about how a bad idea gets worse with more to come.
Pelosi said they had to pass it so we could see what was in it. Well, we now see all of the lies, deception, backroom deals in the dead of night done by the Progressives and it stinks to high heaven. Pelosi & Reid should be brought up on criminal charges for ramming this piece of _ _ _ _ down the throat of America. The more that is revealed, the worse it looks. Republicans should haul Sebelius up before their committee every day to answer for this and this administration should give back the $105 Billion for the self funding right away. I hope all the states tell them they intend not to participate.
Tom,
Isnt it funny that Maine would opt out? Arent they up there with Vermont in terms of their tendency towards socialism? Next will be Oregon and Washington followed by California. LOL!
Congessman Louie Gohmert, a good Conservative Congressman from Texas has a new label for this bill. It is now to be known as Cronycare for all the side deals and corruption passing this horrible legislation. It fits perfectly.
Agent & Sarah, a good piece in the WSJ casting doubt on the “cost shifting” that Dems used to sell the argument about the fact that insurance premiums are higher than they should be do to treatment for uninsured people. Seems the Dems failed to account for $40 Billion dollars from charity hospital, foundations etc that foot the bill for much of the uninsured care. In fact, the article points out that the increase in premiums amounts to about 1.7%, a far cry from the “we all pay for the uninsured anyway, so why not get them to pay by making insurance mandatory” crowds position. Seems the more we know about this bill, the less credibility it has.
Michelle Bachman wants the Obama Administration to give back the 105 Billion that is the self funding mechanism in this bill and tie it into the continuing resolution to keep the government operating. Looks like we will have a government shutdown except for essential services. I say more power to her and I don’t care if the non essential services are shut down for the rest of the year. Just think how much money that would save the taxpayers.
The reasons are easy for the slow walk of this horrendous piece of bad legislation.
Hoping that the American people will find out what is in AND fall deeply in love with the marvelous benefits
Hoping that one of the Supremes quits, dies, or becomes disable to tip the balance in their favor
Hoping that that the sting of the defeat of this law due to its lack of constitutionality will be held off until after the 2012 election.
Hoping that the current spotlight on spending will fade when the ecomony sends more money to the Feds so the deficits created by this time bomb are reduced from TRILLIONs to mere BILLIONS.
Meanwhile the damage done to the economy by uncertainty of the effects of this law and the myriad new taxes, exemptions, and fees hidden in this bill will slow growth to a crawl.
And hoping that Kathleen Sebelius admission of double counting on Medicare will also go away. These people are the worst of the worst and need to resign and go away.
Agent, you may have missed today’s front page Wall Street Journal article outlining the problem of using FSA’s for heretofore allowed OTC drug purchases that the new law now mandates as needing a perscription in order to use the pre-tax dollars from your FSA. In order to get last years FSA benefit, people using FSAs must schedule a visit with their doctor and beg them to write a prescription for the OTC drug or medical supply. The key quote in the article is “It drives up the cost of health care as opposed to reducing it.”. All for the sake of increasing the amount left in FSAs, so taxes will have to be paid. Like double counting, this was all designed to raise more money so they could reduce the overall cost. All of it done without any consideration for the key cost driver, fees for provider services. This bill was designed to hobble insurance companies rather than attack the real problem. How anyone on this insurance site can defend the nature of this bill and its consequences is beyond me. And please, let’s not hear the compassionate laced arguments of everyone needs health care, that is a cannard with an attempt to move the debate to the theoretical realm all while ignoring the reality of this poisonous piece of political prattle.
The legislation was flawed from the start, unfortunately it was done in back rooms with progressive socialist in charge of pushing for a single payer system and putting in triggers that do just that. Making it mandatory for everyone to purchase and subsidising people without the ability to pay for it is by its nature unconstitutional unless you make it a progressive tax and a single payer system. Then at that point the medical profession’s lobby would sue based on its view of the constitutionality of the law.
Lets start over and address the real issue of healthcare which is NOT the cost of insurance, but the cost of healthcare in our country. Medical institutions would arge that you are getting the best care and it cost’s a great deal. Big Pharm would argue if you want the best medicine you have to invest billions in research and development of new drugs and in order to make these drugs. accessable to third world countries America needs to subsidize the availability of these new drugs worldwide. Hospitals would argue that if you want a fully staffed hospital with the latest in equipment you will have to pay literally tens of thousands of dollars for a few days in a hospital.
My Point of all of this is:
IT IS THE COST OF HEALTHCARE THAT IS DRIVING THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE THROUGH THE ROOF, THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE IS THE SYMPTOM OF THE PROBLEM NOT THE PROBLEM. BE CAREFUL WITH THE NEW HEALTHCARE LAW, IF IT WORKS IT WILL DRIVE THE QUALITY OUT WITH THE COST. IT IS THE OLD ADDAGE, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
Single payer is the ultimate goal but as Obama himself said “…but it will take time to get there…”. So he offers the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which created its own paraprosdokian since it resembles a gold plated prophylactic, it neither protects nor is affordable.
Another thing that is very troubling besides Sebelius double counting on Medicare is that the bill is automatically self funding to the tune of $105 Billion which makes it harder for defunding it. It keeps kicking in as it goes into each year and Sebelius has a 16 billion slush fund she can use however she wants. Perhaps the thing to do is to have all states pass a bill opting out of complying with it. Tennessee has already done it. If those blue states in the north wants it, they can have it. Leave the rest of the country alone.
Agent, I couldn’t agree more. Yesterday, one of the three largest insurers in Maine (seems the N/E doesn’t like it either) obtained an exemption from the law because they made the case they couldn’t meet the 80/20 rule. We are now over 1,000 exemption granted to insurers, unions and other corporations. This thing has already deveolved into political cronyism. If anyone still believes that politicizing one’s health care is healthy, then they are a prine target for a pigeon drop. Let’s see some supporters try to defend this mess, an impossible task when faced with this week’s revelationss about how a bad idea gets worse with more to come.
Pelosi said they had to pass it so we could see what was in it. Well, we now see all of the lies, deception, backroom deals in the dead of night done by the Progressives and it stinks to high heaven. Pelosi & Reid should be brought up on criminal charges for ramming this piece of _ _ _ _ down the throat of America. The more that is revealed, the worse it looks. Republicans should haul Sebelius up before their committee every day to answer for this and this administration should give back the $105 Billion for the self funding right away. I hope all the states tell them they intend not to participate.
Tom,
Isnt it funny that Maine would opt out? Arent they up there with Vermont in terms of their tendency towards socialism? Next will be Oregon and Washington followed by California. LOL!
Congessman Louie Gohmert, a good Conservative Congressman from Texas has a new label for this bill. It is now to be known as Cronycare for all the side deals and corruption passing this horrible legislation. It fits perfectly.
Agent & Sarah, a good piece in the WSJ casting doubt on the “cost shifting” that Dems used to sell the argument about the fact that insurance premiums are higher than they should be do to treatment for uninsured people. Seems the Dems failed to account for $40 Billion dollars from charity hospital, foundations etc that foot the bill for much of the uninsured care. In fact, the article points out that the increase in premiums amounts to about 1.7%, a far cry from the “we all pay for the uninsured anyway, so why not get them to pay by making insurance mandatory” crowds position. Seems the more we know about this bill, the less credibility it has.
Michelle Bachman wants the Obama Administration to give back the 105 Billion that is the self funding mechanism in this bill and tie it into the continuing resolution to keep the government operating. Looks like we will have a government shutdown except for essential services. I say more power to her and I don’t care if the non essential services are shut down for the rest of the year. Just think how much money that would save the taxpayers.