Republicans Prepare Should Supreme Court Overturn Healthcare Plan

By David Morgan | April 23, 2012
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  • April 23, 2012 at 9:35 am
    ComradeAnon says:
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    If repealed, I’m sure they will attack this with the same gusto they have trying to create jobs.

  • April 23, 2012 at 11:40 am
    MP says:
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    Call a Medicare “voucher” what it is– a slap in the face to a successful program that millions have relied on for decades, and a bigger slap in the face to the millions who are not yet there but are counting on it. Of course, count on these spinless slimes to ‘exempt’ the current voting generation about to become Medicare-eligible so that only the younger generations get screwed.

    And why? So we can make permanent an absurdly low 15% cap on things like capital gains or ‘carried interest’ so that fat cats like Romney can grow their trust funds even bigger and guarantee that all of their progeny will be born with silver spoons for generations to come.

    • April 23, 2012 at 2:06 pm
      Dave says:
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      OK MP, how do you propose lowering or eliminating the ANNUAL $1.2 trillion deficits Obama has foisted upon us? His idea of the Buffet tax would bring in an additional $46 billion over the next 10 YEARS. That’s $4.6 billion per year on a $1.2 trillion annual deficit. Or a 0.383% reduction of the deficit. You and Democrats like you refuse to have an intellectually honest discussion about the deficit and rather deflect your losing argument with class warfare. Better to leave the current system as it is so you get yours and the younger generations you say you are so concerned will inherit a bankrupt program. Typical Democrat. Get all you can now and screw future generations!

    • April 23, 2012 at 2:24 pm
      Mike N says:
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      By “successful”, are you referring to the lies politicians have foisted told the public about this program for years, knowing they could not possibly be paid for, but expanded them anyway, all in order to buy votes (from suckers like you)? Or, by “successful” are you referring to the fact this program is financially impossible to deliver upon, and is killing our country by adding trillions, unsustaibanly, to our debt? Or, perhaps “successful” in your world means foisting trillions in debt on our children and grandchildren?

      Or, perhaps, by “successful”, you mean, “I got mine! I don’t care if the system will not be around for you younger people now paying into it, since that is a financial impossibility. I don’t care if the system is in ruins, and will not be there for future generations as currently configured. I got mine, and screw everybody else!”

      Or, perhaps, by “successful”, you mean “I realize, due to mismanagement be government and leftist democrat pigs feeding at the trough of taxpayer’s hard-earned money, doctors are refusing to accept new medicare patients. I also realize this will bring the system to its knees and destroy it for future generations, BUT I WANT MINE! ME! ME! ME! NOW!NOW!NOW! GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!”

      I imagine that is what you meant be the term “successful”, in respect to this broken system the government has totally and complteley ruined.

      I find it funny that, both my 7-year-old and 10-year-old understand mathematics better than any member of the democrat party, or fool posting ignorant comments on insurance journal stories.

    • May 1, 2012 at 1:40 pm
      FFA says:
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      Not sure i am in favor of the 15% Cap Gains number. You seem to be grudge the fat cats when all they have done is realize the American Dream – Be all they Can Be and make as much money as they possibly can.

  • April 23, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    JN says:
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    “In 2009, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office examined a Republican proposal that sought to allow the interstate sale of insurance, imposed medical malpractice reforms and offered incentives for state-level reforms. The CBO found the plan would cut the deficit by $68 billion over 10 years, extend coverage to only 3 million uninsured and raise insurance rates for some, including those less healthy.

    By contrast, the CBO has said the Affordable Care Act would reduce the deficit by $132 billion through 2019.”

    Shoddy reporting from Reuters: acknowledging that the 10 year projections for the Republican plan in 2009 would cut the deficit by $68 Billion, then reporting the estimated deficit savings from ACA only for the next 7 years? According to the CBO’s own ten-year projection through 2021, ACA will add $1.08 TRILLION (!) to the deficit.
    All of the cost savings in ACA are front-loaded, so that the President and Congressional Democrats can trumpet cost savings and get themselves re-elected before the hammer falls.

    • April 23, 2012 at 2:43 pm
      Sarah says:
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      JN, Your smoking dope if you think that Government forecasted deficits will be less with ACA using cooked book numbers given to it by the White House like a budget time period of 10 years and only 6 years of the law taking effect. Or that we can even forecast a deficit when WE DONT EVEN HAVE AN ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR OR THE LAST 3! Ask Harry Ried and Obama about that.

      THE ACA WILL BE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE WE MAKE BESIDE ELECTING OBAMA!

      • April 23, 2012 at 4:13 pm
        JN says:
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        I know… re-read what I wrote: ACA will actually add to the deficit over 10 years, projected at over $1 trillion! ACA will add an average amount in excess of $500,000,000,000 per year to the deficit in 2020 and 2021, erasing any reductions by more than 7.5 times! I think we agree with each other, but you seem to misunderstand my comment.

        • April 23, 2012 at 4:35 pm
          Sarah says:
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          I apologize, I should read before I shot. LOL….

  • April 23, 2012 at 2:22 pm
    Vlad says:
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    When did the Democrat National Committe change their name to Reuters?

    • April 23, 2012 at 2:24 pm
      Mike N says:
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      Or “Insurance Journal”?

  • April 23, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    Bob says:
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    Arguing with a Democrat is like playing chess with a pigeon. Even if you know the game of chess inside and out. The pigeon is still going to knock over all the pieces and crap on the table, and strut around victorious.

    Just sayin!

    • April 23, 2012 at 3:59 pm
      Dave says:
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      Bob, that’s an excellent analogy. Thnk you.

    • April 24, 2012 at 2:36 pm
      rutro says:
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      Now THAT’S a funny visual!!

  • April 23, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    Vlad says:
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    What if I gave you the following business proposition?
    For every dollar you give me I will get you back $3.00 in benefits. Some will receive as high as $6.00.
    Who am I?

    a) Bernie Madoff
    b) Jon Corzine
    c) Charles Ponzi
    d) Medicare

    D is the correct answer.
    http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/social-security-medicare-benefits-over-lifetime.pdf

    Really, I would not trust my dog to these politicans, but you will trust your life and retirement to them?

    • April 23, 2012 at 3:32 pm
      DW says:
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      I would like to start by saying that we desperately need reform and I realize that any money of mine going to Medicare will never benefit me (we will have changed it or it will have imploded by then). There are some flaws to your argument though. If I put in a dollar at age 18, how much is that dollar worth when I am 70? Second, there are plenty of people who pay all their lives and never actually receive a benefit.

      • April 23, 2012 at 4:04 pm
        Vlad says:
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        If you put a dollar into the treasury via taxes, you have ZERO. You do not own it anymore, you have transferred the money to the government and they choose what to do with it, not you. They could give it to me, you whomever.

        However, if you invest that dollar into the market, YOU OWN IT.

        Why do people think that taxes are investments?

        • April 23, 2012 at 4:16 pm
          Nan says:
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          Sorry Viad….the only way to keep that dollar is to put in under your mattress or into a savings account. Many of us believed Ronald Reagan and invested in our personal IRA accounts only to find that unscrupulous rating agencies played games with ratings so our hard earned “investments” disappeared into a puff a smoke and reappeared in hedge fund manager’s accounts! My original IRA was supposed to supplement my Social Security but it’s gone up in smoke 3 times since the 80s…. no one is looking out for working class Americans but the Democrats.

          • April 23, 2012 at 4:19 pm
            sgal says:
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            ha, pretty funny, Nan!!!

          • April 23, 2012 at 4:40 pm
            Vlad says:
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            Various Dow Jones Closing prices:

            January 2, 1981 972.78
            December 30, 1988 2168.57
            December 29, 1989 2753.20
            December 31, 1993 3754.09
            December 29, 2000 10787.99
            November 21, 2008 8,046.42
            April 20, 2012 13,029.26

            There are things called mutual funds (not to be confused with hedge funds).
            You should look into them, I hope for you its not too late.

          • April 24, 2012 at 2:36 pm
            Mike N says:
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            “no one is (trying hard to screw mercilessly) working class Americans but the Democrats (who are taxing us all to death, killing business with regulation, brought on the current recession and destruction of the real estate markets by forcing banks to make bad loans to unworthy borrowers and then telling them to hide the bad loans by wrapping them into securities).”

            Sorry for the rewrite. I just wanted to make sure your comment was accurate. The only thing the democrat party (the party of slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow, segregation, Bull Connor, firebombing black churches and firehosing preace marchers, destroying the black community, and killing the education system) is looking out for are campaign cash from union boss thugs and bottom-feeding trial lawyer skimmings scammed by suing job creators.

          • April 24, 2012 at 2:41 pm
            Rutro says:
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            Did I read that last sentence correctly, Nan? No one is lookin gout for working class Americans but the Democrats? REALLY?? What have they given any of us in return for the money they’ve taken from us??!? I’m hoping your statement was a typo.

          • April 24, 2012 at 3:16 pm
            Axle says:
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            Just poor choice of words. …but the democrats [then goes on to explain all of the terrible things they’ve done]

      • May 1, 2012 at 1:45 pm
        FFA says:
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        If this is a medicar / ss income question. My guess would be about tn cents because OBama and his give a way style would have sent it and my job to China. Maybe Pakistan.

  • April 23, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    Jon says:
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    I think IJ has figured out that reproducing Reuters’ political content is the way to go. Saves on staff costs and guarantees plenty of clicks/comments. Shrewd business.

  • April 23, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    D says:
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    I don’t trust a Republican majority to do anything that will benefit any group but the people who are already among the most comfortable and priviliged. When they did have a majority in the House, Senate, and White House there was no word on health care reform except for medicare part d. The elderly are a traditional Republican voting block. Republicans traditionally have to be dragged kicking and screaming into creating scenarios that will increase access to the general health care system. Republicans don’t care about you or me.

    • April 23, 2012 at 4:03 pm
      Flipside says:
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      D- the honest Republicans should acknowledge that you have a point(sort of). The basic principles of conservatism are that caring for others is not the role of government- not that they shouldn’t be cared for. So in a way, it’s not that Republicans don’t care- it’s that they don’t think the government should concern itself with caring.

      • April 23, 2012 at 4:31 pm
        Sarah says:
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        Poll after Poll all show that Republicans give almost twice as much to charity as Democrats. Former Vice President Gore gave $385. in total charitable donations. D, please dont make republicans out to not giving people. We give twice as much. 10 times as much in taxes. That would be a very interesting stat, Lets compare percentage of total tax revenue Dems vs GOP voters. LMAO! I think we all know who has the skin in the game, both revenue and charity!

        • April 24, 2012 at 3:05 pm
          Mike N says:
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          Sarah, the difference between Republicans and the democrat party couldn’t be more stark. While Republicans moved to abolish slavery, the democrat party went to war to maintain it. It was Republicans who dismantled Jim Crow, which was set up and run by the democrat party. It was Republicans who moved to have ex-slaves made citizens in the South, in order to bring ex-slaves under the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution (such as the 2nd amendment, which blacks used to arm and protect themselves from the kkk/democrat party). The democrat party, meanwhile, set up barriers for citizenship, in efforts to deny blacks the vote and protections of the 2nd amendment (and allowed the KKK/democrat party to continue to terrorize and kill blacks).

          Republicans have given far more to the poor (both in terms of real dollars and percent of income) for decades. Republicans take responsibility for the poor and assisting them, primarily through non-government entities. Republicans also give time to these organizations. This means Republicans are actually INVOLVED with the poor and indigent.

          The funny part about this is how leftist democrats will cry about the “Civil Rights Legislation”, which they will claim was passed by democrat party members. The thing about that is, even though the Republicans despised the fact the feds were trampling states rights to do so, A GREATER PERCENTAGE OF REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR THESE BILLS THAN DID democrat party members. Why? Because someone had to stop the demcorat party from mercilessly killing unarmed blacks through their KKK (billed as “the terrorist wing of the democrat party”) organization. And someone had to stop the democrat party from denying blacks the right to vote.

          Democrat party? Oh, they just want to take OTHER people’s money through jack-booted government thuggery (IRS – which Obama is now giving its own SWAT team – for taxes?!?!), then filter it through a couple of their shell “organizations”, who take their cut (gotta get reelected,right? For the democrat party, that is far more important than helping the poor), then give some table scraps to the poor.

          In other words, Republicans give of their time and treasure to the poor and organizations assisitng them, and realize most government programs are failures, designed as scams to skim money. The democrat party also understands this same thing – which is why they keep the scam going. They like stealing our money. And it is almost laughable anyone is so stupid as to not see this, as it has played out in the democrat party, and America’s history, for over 200 years.

          The democrat party is essentially a criminal organization, which has been terrorizing our country for nearly its entire history.

          Essentially, I agree with you. Let’s talk about the true racists. Let’s talk about how Woodrow Wilson (D) segregated the civil service and showed Klan movies at the White House. Let’s talk about who truly helps the poor, and actually volunteers for organizations doing so. Let’s talk about who de-segregated the military (Eisenhower – R). Let’s talk about who skims and scams money from government programs designed to assist those in need.

          Those would be great discussions to have. It’s always nice when we can discuss history and clear the air. Unfortunately, due to their long, long history of racism, brutality, murder, and (now) socialism, it seems the democrat party (understandably) does not want to have those conversations.

          • April 24, 2012 at 3:36 pm
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            Amen! where are you running for office? Who nominated the first black to the supreme court? Who’s cabinet had the first secretary of state as a black man then a black woman and the first hispanic in a presidents cabinet? All republicans.

            Democrats are hypocrites – plain and simple, they stand up and say they are for minorities and the poor and then enslave them to act for their own personal interests, votes. If a black person wanted to provide for black people they should be republicans, they have done so much more for them and never take them for granted or use them as a pawn like the democratic party has.

          • April 25, 2012 at 8:37 am
            Jill says:
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            I don’t know where you get your stats that only Republicans are charitable givers – or in your argument the only big charitable givers. I have several charitable organizations I give to every quarter handsomely, and frankly, they have never asked and nowhere on any donor information is it asked, “what political party do you belong to”.

          • April 25, 2012 at 1:38 pm
            Mike N says:
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            Jill,

            While your personal anecdotes are interesting, I would go with the many studies, which have shown, time and again, that conservatives give more of their time and treasure to charity than leftists. Here are a few links for you to review:

            1. A study conducted by a firm in Valencia, CA:

            http://philanthropy.com/blogs/prospecting/conservative-voters-are-more-liberal-with-charity/19091

            2. The “National Generosity Index”, which shows giving, broken down by state. The “red states” are all on the top of this list, while blues are on the bottom. Data from 2003.

            http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/db/generosity.php?year=2005

            3. An overview of a recent study on the matter, by the author of the study.

            http://www.american.com/archive/2008/march-april-magazine-contents/a-nation-of-givers

            Leftists simply seem to live off the government, and expect other people’s taxes will take care of them. This plays out when one sees Joe Biden’s tax returns (a tad bit over 1% to charity), as well as Obama’s (while he gave a good amount to charity this past year – now that he’s living off all our tax dollars and doesn’t have to spend a dime on life, he disgustingly gave almost NOTHING to charity before coming into the White House. The same was true with both Clinton and Gore).

            Leftists simply like to appropriate other people’s money through jack-booted IRS thuggery, then dole it out to their own favored pigs, feeding at the taxpayer-funded trough, then call themselves “caring”. Sorry, but using money forcibly taken from other hard-working families does not make one charitable.

            FYI, this is not only the case when it comes to dollars. Studies show conservatives also give far more of their TIME to charities than leftists.

            Meanwhile, studies also show conservatives, on average, make less money than leftists. This means, not only do conservatives give more dollars and time than leftists, they also give more as a percentage of income.

            This displays a simple difference between common sense conservatives and leftists. Conservatives take the initiative, in almost every aspect of life. Give more. Work harder. Less willing to accept government’s stolen goodies. More willing to seek answers and support outside of government. This conservative philosophy requires individuals to be involved with the community (the actual people in the community). This is a proactive philosophy.

            Leftist/statist philosophy, on the other hand, is a lazy philosophy. The basic tenet is: take from others so that we can give to some. No need for involvement, as it’s the government’s job. And the govenrment will take care of me/you/the problem. If the government fails? No apologies for their failures, just demands for more money from hard working families, all the while smearing them and telling them to “pay their fair share.”

            This is why the leftist/statist ideology has proven to be philosophically vapid, intellectually lazy, and counter to building strong communities of involved citizens working together to solve problems and help people in need.

            But it sure is a great way to buy votes! What is the saying? “If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you will always have Paul’s vote.” Leftist policy perfectly encapsulated.

  • April 23, 2012 at 10:17 pm
    Water Bug says:
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    A long time friend gives nothing to charity because he believes that the government should take care of peoples’ needs, not charities. Oh, he is a union member and has a public sector job.

  • April 24, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    Sarah says:
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    If you listen to this type of reporting- “Apparently, I’m supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what Barack Obama does with mine.

  • April 24, 2012 at 7:48 pm
    Sarah says:
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    i have proof that the conservative ideology is superior to the liberal ideology. Here it is;

    Liberals could not exist without conservatives to fight for their rights, constitution, freedoms and provide for them economically. On the other hand, Conservatives could exist very well without liberals! Actually their lives would improve significantly without them. A world where the streets would be paved in gold.

    • April 25, 2012 at 8:39 am
      Jill says:
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      This is pure rubbish. Your comments are stereotypes, assumptions and generalizations.

      • April 25, 2012 at 3:19 pm
        Rutro says:
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        Yes–the truth hurts doesn’t it, Jill?

      • April 30, 2012 at 9:49 am
        Sarah says:
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        Pure rubish? Lets look at your comments, factless and baseless ridicule. Ok, sterotypes, assumptions and generalizations? well at least my comments are based on observations, facts and statements made. How about yours?

    • April 25, 2012 at 2:55 pm
      Huh? says:
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      Sarah – all politics aside….it is people like you and your comments who perpetuate bias, prejudice and bigotry in this country. It is you that is the hypocrite when you talk about the “pros” of one side and then with extreme rudeness and spite slam the other side for what you perceive to be their “cons”.
      I know after reading many of your comments in past months that it is extremely hard for you to not assume things….so let me make it easy for you….I am not a Democrat or a Liberal and will not and have not ever voted for Obama. Use your head and not your feelings as your points will be taken and thought about in a much better way. Just sayin’

      • April 26, 2012 at 2:57 pm
        Sarah says:
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        Huh! Ha!
        See Bob’s analogy of arguing with a liberal, I love it!

        Another emotional outburst of ridicule followed up with factless and baseless opinions. Your “use your head and not your feelings” is that not just the definition of a liberal? Here are some facts for your Libtard friend Jill above.

        FACT! (Ouch, doesnt that hurt)
        — Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

        Lets hear about your feelings and some more name calling now.

  • May 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    FFA says:
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    WOW. This just draws me to the conclusion that OBama must go. For the sake and unity of the American People, (not to mention our financial well being) vote against OBama.

    • May 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm
      CalDude says:
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      Whatever dude. The man took over a financial nightmare exacerbated by a congress that spent freely and borrowed heavily on both sides of the aisle.

  • May 1, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    Dave says:
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    I see some flaming a$$ liberal swooped in and voted about 100 times for the posts he liked and 100 times against the posts he didn’t. Like so many of his occupy type friends I guess he had little else to do with his time. NIce work.



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