A bonanza for insurers, as based upon this “report,” laced with GIA inaccuracies, they can raise rates and point to the report as an authoritative source for doing so. Tide gauges tell a different story:
Real world? The Earth’s Sea-Levels (un “adjusted”) have actually declined somewhat over the past two years. Greenhouse gas “management” will have little impact, as the disconnect has become stunningly obvious:
Now, draw a trend line on each of the two graphs (monthly and annual mean sea level). Does your line show an increasing sea level over time?
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We might make people that make their living playing the ‘climate denial’ game happy by just calling it ‘recurrent flooding’ instead of ‘sea level rise’. Or we can just act like North Carolina and introduce a bill that would override the data put forth by the state’s own Coastal Resources Commission. If you are still unhappy then I suggest digging a hole in the ground and placing your head inside of the hole.
Anyone who blithely discounts the findings of an ever-growing majority of “real” scientists is either blinded by political ideology or just plain stupid… or some combination thereof.
No, it’s an average of more than 2.5 mm/year, or more than an inch per decade — nearly a foot a century, not 4″. & I believe the point, as with *global* sea-level rise, is that it’s *accelerating* . . .
The flat-earthers are out in force on this report, right out of the box. Can’t believe sea levels are different at different places because water “seeks its own level”? But *moving* water — huge current flows, tidal and otherwise — deflected by obstacles (rocks and shorelines in rivers, underwater mountain ranges and coastlines in the ocean) create high and low areas that stay that way.
I would remind everyone this is not a political issue.Right! That is unless you call Al Gore a Scientist, then you have another academic problem, your not that smart.
Does anyone realize the money that is being spent, (some say thrown away) on green tech that does not exist yet or even economically efficient enough to warrant entering the competitive marketplace. So! let’s just tax and penalize fossil fuels and other proven energy sources to the point that an Obama campaign donor and government subsidized company with much more expensive and not as a efficient energy source has a chance to compete with the currently used energy technology.
Sounds like to me this issue is a political issue because the left is trying to brainwashed the academia into thinking that if we do not subsidize a boondoggle with government money we will all fall off into the ocean. Comon Man!
The last time I checked, a millimeter is a very small measurement. At this rate, it may rise an inch in a hundred years if I were inclined to believe this nonsense which I am not. They must have their so called scientists camped out at the beaches just hoping they can measure a rise in the sea. I don’t know what they are worried about. After all, didn’t they say their President could hold the seas back?
“Since about 1990, sea-level rise in the 600-mile stretch of coastal zone from Cape Hatteras, N.C. to north of Boston, Mass. — coined a “hotspot” by scientists — has increased 2 – 3.7 millimeters per year; the global increase over the same period was 0.6 – 1.0 millimeter per year.”
So the change in sea level in one part of the world is different than a different part of the world? Doesn’t water flow freely to the lowest level possible so absent tides and such the sea level remains the same throughout the planet. Now granted, the land masses move up and down over time. It explains why we have mountains and valleys. But the sea level changing differently in different places around the planet? This is reason 1,275 why I don’t trust most of what these global alarmist scientists say. This sounds like pure BS. Or are they blaming the rising and lowering of land masses on alleged man-made global warming too?
Dave. Go to the link that Tom posted. Click around and look at the various graphs. These aren’t estimates. They are actual measurements taken over time at each location. Even a cursory review will show you a world where sea level change over time is not constant across differing points.
“This sounds like pure BS” sounds like an argument put forth by a ‘flat earther’.
Are these the same guys who were disgraced for lying about Global Warming and had to resign? Perhaps they have a new job camping out at the beach to try to measure how far the waves are lapping up on the shore. You sound like an Al Gore flat header.
ExciteBiker, you miss my point. That being I’m not a “Flat Earther” my point being just the opposite that the earth is NOT flat. That the earth moves up and down (hence my reference to mountains and valleys). Perhaps the reason that the “sea level” changes at different levels at different places on the earth has nothing to do with the level of the sea, but the level of the ground masses where the sea touches the land. You do know that they go up and down too don’t you? You know teutonics? A concept totally absent to the global warming alarmists who are perhaps not up to speed on all aspects of science. Again, why should I trust these boobs where there is documentation that they have lied about global warming and apparently know nothing about plate teutonics? What do you and these alarmist have to say about this scientific fact known to grade schoolers but not these boobs?
Don, it’s only political for those that benefit from the issue. Let’s just take a look at who really benefits from the obviously flawed science, environmental scientist who receive millions in grants for research. Unproven and uncompetitive green technology that no one really likes (Toyota Prias, Chevy Volt) or Left Wing boondoggles like Solindra who donate millions to receive billions from the same politicians who they donated to their campaigns.
Sarah, Let’s not leave out the green agenda opportunists who want to sell Carbon Credits in the market and make millions off of them. I think that was supposed to be on the Chicago Exchange. Hmm! I have to wonder about that, don’t you?
Actually Don, most insurance professionals I know are blatantly Common Sense which is sadly in short supply with these so called scientists. I remember the alarm was sounded that the Polar Bears would be extinct shortly due to Global Warming. We now have 25,000 more Polar Bears in the Arctic. They are becoming a nuisance there are so many of them. We couldn’t drill in ANWR because it would damage the Caribou population. They are flourishing and have adjusted to the rigs in Alaska.
Actually Don, I am pro-science. Read my posts. Are you blatantly anti-science? Do you understand plate teutonics? Or are you just taking a left wing talking point which you know nothing about?
Hey Don, How come China doesn’t have rising seas on their coastline? They are the biggest polluter in the world with all their coal fired plants and industry (which we don’t have anymore)? If anyone was contributing to global warming, they are. I would like for any of these “scientists” go over there and tell them that their coasts will disappear in the near future if they don’t cut way back on their CO2 emmissions.
I did a quick calculation. If the ocean water is rising 3 millimeters per year, it will take over 200 years to rise the 8 inches they say it will be in 2100. Is the math bad, or are they assuming the increase in the increase will increase? I think, by a hotspot, they mean this is the largest increasing area and other areas are not that way. I wonder if areas in their study actually decreased, but that would not be convenient to science.
Science denial is, unfortunately, a hallmark of American arrogance.
Deniers are extremely foolish people whose ideological blindness to the overwhelming body of scientific data will prevent the US from taking action to protect our infrastructure.
Their delay-and-obstruct tactics will cost us all far, far more in the long run. Good job deniers! Thanks to you, we’re losing the clean energy race to the Chinese. Instead of buying oil from the Middle East, we’ll be sending millions to China to buy their clean energy technology — which we invented, back when we used to innovate. Now we’re stuck with these insane anti-science, reality-denying ideologues who are ensuring the US will lose the 21st century economy. The Chinese thank you, science deniers.
Hey Methusilah, you must be on crystal Meth. You mention China as the leader in clean energy. You are totally off base since they lead all countries in dirty energy. They have dozens of dirty coal fired plants brought online in the past 4 years and you can cut their air with a knife in Beijing. All this country needs is to vote these Democratic ideologues out of office and our energy industry will solve our energy needs, but not with switch grass, algae, cow dung or any of the other failed green agenda ideas which are sending good money after bad. We are sitting on the largest reserves of energy in the world and yet we are still buying from the Middle East, Chavez, Brazil and that needs to stop.
Agent – I think the point Meth is trying to get across is that China is selling us more of the green technology energy-producing products than we make here in the US – whether it’s solar panels or batteries which include rare earths sourced worlwide and bought by the Chinese.
The silly part is that while China produces the good stuff, they create more pollution in making it than we will ever save by using it.
Kind of like a fat man selling donuts to a starving man who deosn’t know how to cook, and has a full pantry of ingredients.
It’s silly allright. Our President thinks he can solve the energy problem by developing Algae, switchgrass, wood shavings, cow dung, windmills and solar panels and keeps wasting our money on these things that cannot be made or used in our economy. We have tremendous reserves of energy in this country and the industry is not allowed to develop it. The wonderful EPA is now fining refiners for not making bio fuel ethanol that hasn’t been produced yet. Their combined IQ is about 50.
Let’s give God a little credit. Check Job 38: 8-11. He tells Job, an us, that He fixed limits for the sea. and in verse 11 He tells the sea, “this far you may come and no farther; here is where your proud waters halt.
Take advice or give credit to an invisible man in the sky whose “word” is based the accounts of goat herders 2000 years ago? No thanks, I’ll turn to Comedy Central if I want a laugh.
A bonanza for insurers, as based upon this “report,” laced with GIA inaccuracies, they can raise rates and point to the report as an authoritative source for doing so. Tide gauges tell a different story:
http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/
Real world? The Earth’s Sea-Levels (un “adjusted”) have actually declined somewhat over the past two years. Greenhouse gas “management” will have little impact, as the disconnect has become stunningly obvious:
http://www.colderside.com/Colderside/Temp_%26_CO2.html
If insurance companies do raise these Sea-Level related rates, then we may have to expand the definition of and perhaps re-define “Unearned Premium.”
Fun Exercise: Click here http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/430.php
Now, draw a trend line on each of the two graphs (monthly and annual mean sea level). Does your line show an increasing sea level over time?
This comment was written by “Tomwys”. A Google search for ColderSide promps a Suggested Search result of ‘Tom@colderside.com’ Try finding any information about http://www.colderside.com from another source. I could find exacly zero.
We might make people that make their living playing the ‘climate denial’ game happy by just calling it ‘recurrent flooding’ instead of ‘sea level rise’. Or we can just act like North Carolina and introduce a bill that would override the data put forth by the state’s own Coastal Resources Commission. If you are still unhappy then I suggest digging a hole in the ground and placing your head inside of the hole.
Just moved into a condo on a pier. Great niew and glad I’m renting and didn’t buy! Just have to remember to move the car next full moon high tide.
So what about Bermuda, the British Crown Colony, 720 miles due east of Cape Hatteras out in the Atlantic? not much elevation …..
Anyone who blithely discounts the findings of an ever-growing majority of “real” scientists is either blinded by political ideology or just plain stupid… or some combination thereof.
That is about 4 inches in 100 years. Not much for me to worry about.
No, it’s an average of more than 2.5 mm/year, or more than an inch per decade — nearly a foot a century, not 4″. & I believe the point, as with *global* sea-level rise, is that it’s *accelerating* . . .
The flat-earthers are out in force on this report, right out of the box. Can’t believe sea levels are different at different places because water “seeks its own level”? But *moving* water — huge current flows, tidal and otherwise — deflected by obstacles (rocks and shorelines in rivers, underwater mountain ranges and coastlines in the ocean) create high and low areas that stay that way.
OK Numerate, what does water flows have to do with man made global warming causing different levels of changes in different areas of the planet?
Sea level rising on the Atlantic Coast…. Hmmm…. No where else????
I would remind everyone this is not a political issue.Right! That is unless you call Al Gore a Scientist, then you have another academic problem, your not that smart.
Does anyone realize the money that is being spent, (some say thrown away) on green tech that does not exist yet or even economically efficient enough to warrant entering the competitive marketplace. So! let’s just tax and penalize fossil fuels and other proven energy sources to the point that an Obama campaign donor and government subsidized company with much more expensive and not as a efficient energy source has a chance to compete with the currently used energy technology.
Sounds like to me this issue is a political issue because the left is trying to brainwashed the academia into thinking that if we do not subsidize a boondoggle with government money we will all fall off into the ocean. Comon Man!
The last time I checked, a millimeter is a very small measurement. At this rate, it may rise an inch in a hundred years if I were inclined to believe this nonsense which I am not. They must have their so called scientists camped out at the beaches just hoping they can measure a rise in the sea. I don’t know what they are worried about. After all, didn’t they say their President could hold the seas back?
Methinks Sarah slipped off the deep end (or slipped on her Depends; whatever) and voted LIKE for herself 16 times.
So let’s all vote her page into oblivion with DISlikes.
Wait a minute here:
“Since about 1990, sea-level rise in the 600-mile stretch of coastal zone from Cape Hatteras, N.C. to north of Boston, Mass. — coined a “hotspot” by scientists — has increased 2 – 3.7 millimeters per year; the global increase over the same period was 0.6 – 1.0 millimeter per year.”
So the change in sea level in one part of the world is different than a different part of the world? Doesn’t water flow freely to the lowest level possible so absent tides and such the sea level remains the same throughout the planet. Now granted, the land masses move up and down over time. It explains why we have mountains and valleys. But the sea level changing differently in different places around the planet? This is reason 1,275 why I don’t trust most of what these global alarmist scientists say. This sounds like pure BS. Or are they blaming the rising and lowering of land masses on alleged man-made global warming too?
Dave. Go to the link that Tom posted. Click around and look at the various graphs. These aren’t estimates. They are actual measurements taken over time at each location. Even a cursory review will show you a world where sea level change over time is not constant across differing points.
“This sounds like pure BS” sounds like an argument put forth by a ‘flat earther’.
Are these the same guys who were disgraced for lying about Global Warming and had to resign? Perhaps they have a new job camping out at the beach to try to measure how far the waves are lapping up on the shore. You sound like an Al Gore flat header.
ExciteBiker, you miss my point. That being I’m not a “Flat Earther” my point being just the opposite that the earth is NOT flat. That the earth moves up and down (hence my reference to mountains and valleys). Perhaps the reason that the “sea level” changes at different levels at different places on the earth has nothing to do with the level of the sea, but the level of the ground masses where the sea touches the land. You do know that they go up and down too don’t you? You know teutonics? A concept totally absent to the global warming alarmists who are perhaps not up to speed on all aspects of science. Again, why should I trust these boobs where there is documentation that they have lied about global warming and apparently know nothing about plate teutonics? What do you and these alarmist have to say about this scientific fact known to grade schoolers but not these boobs?
I had no idea that there were so many insurance professionals who were blatantly anti-science.
Politics indeed!
Don, it’s only political for those that benefit from the issue. Let’s just take a look at who really benefits from the obviously flawed science, environmental scientist who receive millions in grants for research. Unproven and uncompetitive green technology that no one really likes (Toyota Prias, Chevy Volt) or Left Wing boondoggles like Solindra who donate millions to receive billions from the same politicians who they donated to their campaigns.
Its not anti Science, it’s anti stupid!
Sarah, Let’s not leave out the green agenda opportunists who want to sell Carbon Credits in the market and make millions off of them. I think that was supposed to be on the Chicago Exchange. Hmm! I have to wonder about that, don’t you?
Actually Don, most insurance professionals I know are blatantly Common Sense which is sadly in short supply with these so called scientists. I remember the alarm was sounded that the Polar Bears would be extinct shortly due to Global Warming. We now have 25,000 more Polar Bears in the Arctic. They are becoming a nuisance there are so many of them. We couldn’t drill in ANWR because it would damage the Caribou population. They are flourishing and have adjusted to the rigs in Alaska.
Actually Don, I am pro-science. Read my posts. Are you blatantly anti-science? Do you understand plate teutonics? Or are you just taking a left wing talking point which you know nothing about?
Hey Don, How come China doesn’t have rising seas on their coastline? They are the biggest polluter in the world with all their coal fired plants and industry (which we don’t have anymore)? If anyone was contributing to global warming, they are. I would like for any of these “scientists” go over there and tell them that their coasts will disappear in the near future if they don’t cut way back on their CO2 emmissions.
It is plate tectonics by the way.
I did a quick calculation. If the ocean water is rising 3 millimeters per year, it will take over 200 years to rise the 8 inches they say it will be in 2100. Is the math bad, or are they assuming the increase in the increase will increase? I think, by a hotspot, they mean this is the largest increasing area and other areas are not that way. I wonder if areas in their study actually decreased, but that would not be convenient to science.
The sky is….falling….
Science denial is, unfortunately, a hallmark of American arrogance.
Deniers are extremely foolish people whose ideological blindness to the overwhelming body of scientific data will prevent the US from taking action to protect our infrastructure.
Their delay-and-obstruct tactics will cost us all far, far more in the long run. Good job deniers! Thanks to you, we’re losing the clean energy race to the Chinese. Instead of buying oil from the Middle East, we’ll be sending millions to China to buy their clean energy technology — which we invented, back when we used to innovate. Now we’re stuck with these insane anti-science, reality-denying ideologues who are ensuring the US will lose the 21st century economy. The Chinese thank you, science deniers.
Hey Methusilah, you must be on crystal Meth. You mention China as the leader in clean energy. You are totally off base since they lead all countries in dirty energy. They have dozens of dirty coal fired plants brought online in the past 4 years and you can cut their air with a knife in Beijing. All this country needs is to vote these Democratic ideologues out of office and our energy industry will solve our energy needs, but not with switch grass, algae, cow dung or any of the other failed green agenda ideas which are sending good money after bad. We are sitting on the largest reserves of energy in the world and yet we are still buying from the Middle East, Chavez, Brazil and that needs to stop.
Agent – I think the point Meth is trying to get across is that China is selling us more of the green technology energy-producing products than we make here in the US – whether it’s solar panels or batteries which include rare earths sourced worlwide and bought by the Chinese.
The silly part is that while China produces the good stuff, they create more pollution in making it than we will ever save by using it.
Kind of like a fat man selling donuts to a starving man who deosn’t know how to cook, and has a full pantry of ingredients.
It’s silly allright. Our President thinks he can solve the energy problem by developing Algae, switchgrass, wood shavings, cow dung, windmills and solar panels and keeps wasting our money on these things that cannot be made or used in our economy. We have tremendous reserves of energy in this country and the industry is not allowed to develop it. The wonderful EPA is now fining refiners for not making bio fuel ethanol that hasn’t been produced yet. Their combined IQ is about 50.
Let’s give God a little credit. Check Job 38: 8-11. He tells Job, an us, that He fixed limits for the sea. and in verse 11 He tells the sea, “this far you may come and no farther; here is where your proud waters halt.
Take advice or give credit to an invisible man in the sky whose “word” is based the accounts of goat herders 2000 years ago? No thanks, I’ll turn to Comedy Central if I want a laugh.