President Obama Vows to Address Climate Change

By Deborah Zabarenko and Ayesha Rascoe | November 15, 2012

  • November 15, 2012 at 10:10 am
    Milner says:
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    A little less hot air could help!

    • November 19, 2012 at 9:17 am
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      A little more cold water would be good, too.

  • November 15, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    Allan says:
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    I don’t see how Obama is addressing climate change when he’s approved the souther leg of the Keystone pipline and open up more offshore oil drilling along with more fracking. I mean, lets get the story straight.

  • November 15, 2012 at 1:49 pm
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    I didn’t hear that he approved the Keystone pipeline. When did that happen?

    • November 15, 2012 at 3:25 pm
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      He didn’t approve the northern part crossing from Canada down through part of Federal Lands. The southern part from Oklahoma to the Texas gulf coast was on state lands and not subject to Federal approval. It is coming through Texas as we speak. Daryl Hannah tried to stop it by laying down in the path of the trench and succeeded in getting herself arrested. She cooled her heels for a few days and then went back to Hollywood.

  • November 15, 2012 at 1:58 pm
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    Didn’t he make the same promise four years ago? Didn’t he also promise to cut the deficit in half and close GITMO?

    • November 15, 2012 at 4:30 pm
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      And, didn’t he say our Ambassador and three other Americans were killed over a video?

      • November 16, 2012 at 5:34 pm
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        Hi CT. Let’s not leave out Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton, David Petraeus, Ichabod Carney who read from the same script. How will they spin the Gaza trouble? Has another video came out that I didn’t know about to have all those wonderful Hamas people start firing off rockets at Israel forcing them to retaliate? I am glad they got the Bin Laden of Hamas. Israel may just take the rest of them out in a few days. That is one big cesspool and Egypt has been supplying them with rockets for months now. I join FFA in saying it is time to take care of these Jihadists in that area.

  • November 15, 2012 at 2:11 pm
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    I dont mind his lie about GITMO. Who wants them nut jobs on the main land anyways?

    • November 16, 2012 at 6:21 pm
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      I agree 100%.

  • November 15, 2012 at 2:20 pm
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    Obama did not approve the southern half of the Keystone Pipeline. He took credit for it to ease the tensions caused by killing the jobs that would have been created with the Keystone and oil from Canada. The southern half was approved during the Bush administration.
    I am not aware of any specific promises BO has made that he kept. He has talked at a high level that sounds positive for the country but taken those avenues that cripple. His time behind the teleprompter was well spent because people are looking for a savior. Unfortunately,they picked the wrong one.

    • November 15, 2012 at 2:24 pm
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      …and yet, we still have to live with it for another 4 years.

      Here’s a question: What if Republicans just gave in to ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING Obama wanted to do? I’m serious. What if they all just abstained from voting on all his initiatives, and then at the end if everything was beyond screwed up, they could say, “Hey, it wasn’t us!”

  • November 15, 2012 at 2:30 pm
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    Pets are polluters! They crap, pee, fart and worse of all, they exhale. I say Pets should be abolished as polluters, unless of course you intend on eating them eventually.

    • November 15, 2012 at 2:38 pm
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      I eat all my pets. Eventually.

      • November 15, 2012 at 2:51 pm
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        No you won’t, the left is trying to pass legis to give pets rights.

        • November 15, 2012 at 2:59 pm
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          • November 16, 2012 at 10:13 am
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            How could anyone not like Paw Power? Are you anti-animal, too? Or just anti-Libby?

    • November 15, 2012 at 3:50 pm
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      Actually livestock are a huge contributor to greenhouse gases, then there are the waste products and the food and water they consume and the fossil fuels used in production. It is healthier to just eat the grains, instead of “processing” it through livestock. At some point in the future, most people may not have a choice but to eat less meat, due to cost.

      • November 16, 2012 at 8:55 am
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        Hush Sally. Next you’ll have the Republicans shouting that Obama is forcing them to be a vegetarian….

  • November 15, 2012 at 2:34 pm
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    Obama has to first tell them what we wants to do in specific terms, that’s the problem he is so vague in everthing he says, but it sounds good right?

  • November 15, 2012 at 2:35 pm
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    Yeah, more legislation on climate change. Less use of fossil fuels, higher energy costs meanwhile all the coal and oil which could have been burned here will be burned in India and China where they’re building more coal powered plants every week and where they are stealling even more American jobs. And the same amount of CO2 is still be released into the atmosphere. Now there’s a jobs growing platform if I ever saw one.

    • November 15, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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      But Dave, the USA will be leaders in gren energy initiatives. BO said, IJ repeated it, so all countries will comply.

      The left should go live in a third world country instead of trying to change us into one.

      • November 15, 2012 at 3:55 pm
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        Yep PM. Just look at environmentalist Al Gore’s home compared to anti-environment oil man George Bush’s home and decide who walks the walk and who is just full of BS.

        http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

        • November 16, 2012 at 10:42 am
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          You can’t argue with that – thanks Dave for posting the snopes link. And to think Gore got a Noble Prize. Oh wait! Obama got one too! (((crickets))

          • November 16, 2012 at 10:49 am
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            And now, the other side of the coin….

            http://www.ourplanet.com/imgversn/opupdates/gore_house.html

          • November 16, 2012 at 11:15 am
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            Nice try Libby. But still a bad story. So big Al installs a few solar panels in his home to reduce annual kilowattage by 6,570 from 221,000. He’s still an energy hog. And the scheme about using more environmentally friendly energy is just that, a scheme. A scheme he got rich on. The energy still comes from the power company who he has no control over where they get it. He just buys some carbon credits from a company he helped form and got rich to “offset” his piggishness. Never let the facts get in the way of a poor argument, right Libby?

          • November 16, 2012 at 11:23 am
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            Well, it’s more than that Dave. The Gore house is an old house. Bush house is new and green technology was built into it. There’s a big difference in energy efficiency between and old house and a new house. But I wouldn’t want you to sweat the details – just the headlines.

          • November 16, 2012 at 11:35 am
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            Yeah, I’m the one not sweating the details pointing out the wattage and discussing the carbon credits which allegedly pays for the sins of over consumption. The article also fails to point out energy pig Al’s use of private airplanes. I suppose if you look at a dictionary and look up the word hypocrite you’ll find a picture of energy pig big Al right there.

        • November 16, 2012 at 6:30 pm
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          Climate change is being caused by Man-Bear-Pig. Man-Bear-Pig is real! I’m serial!

          (from a potrayal of Al Gore on South Park)

  • November 15, 2012 at 2:43 pm
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    let him do it! Let him pass EVERY single thing he wants to do (maybe vote “Present” instead of “yay”) on everything. If everything is completely FUBAR, the Republicans can proudly state that they are not the evil obstructionists they are made out to be.

  • November 15, 2012 at 2:50 pm
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    How about you just address the climate change in Libya..the 4 cold dead bodies.

  • November 15, 2012 at 2:56 pm
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    This article is total hogwash! He will do nothing and has never worked with congress at all. Why should anything change now. By the way he also stated that there has never been any weather related event ever connected to global warming! He said at the press conference then went on to say he thought there was global warming. Any way, The President is an idiot!

    • November 15, 2012 at 3:31 pm
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      I am still waiting on my 18 Tax decreases he said Small Business has been given in the first term. What we are going to see is more failed green agenda, more taxpayers money wasted trying to make gas out of switchgrass, algae, cow dung and more companies going belly up after spending all that money. The only way this country will rebound is if we develop all our resources and that is not going to happen.

      • November 15, 2012 at 3:39 pm
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        I don’t think there will be any more tax money to spend, Agent. You have half of America going out of business and what businesses are left will be forcing their employees onto Obamacare or making them part-time to avoid it. If everything happens as you predict, the ozone is the last thing we’ll be worrying about.

        • November 15, 2012 at 3:45 pm
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          to Libby – your response to Agent. Do you not read papers or the internet? Have you missed the true stories of businesses that have already started laying employees off due to obama care and the increase in taxes that are coming down the pike? Are you really that isolated and have your eyes so closed shut when it comes to your king, obama?

          • November 15, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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            No, I’m not blind or isolated. I’ve heard “stories” indeed I have. I also read the National Enquirer and I don’t believe everything I see there, either. Obamacare hasn’t even been rolled out yet. To make decisions like hiring or firing right now would be jumping the gun and irresponsible. I’ll believe it when it actually happens.

          • November 15, 2012 at 3:58 pm
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            Perplexed, I have been dealing with Libby for a while now. She has been like an Ostrich with her head in the sand and not seeing what her guy has been doing to this country the past 4 years. There is no indication that he will do anything different in a second term. It is his way or the highway and he will continue to pander to the left who put him in office. He continues to play rope a dope on Libya and will likely continue to “investigate” for 4 years when 280 million know what happened over there. I hope Petraeus will actually tell the truth to Congress this time and Hillary is hiding out in Australia. She should be recalled and have to testify under oath herself. These people are the biggest liars and schemers ever in a position of leadership we have ever had.

  • November 15, 2012 at 3:17 pm
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    to Sarah.
    I agree wholeheartedly that this man is an idiot. A LYING idiot. The Middle East is imploding and he doesn’t seem to realize it. Just like he didn’t seem to realize that the upset of Mubarak was just the beginning of the problems over there. Mubarak helped keep the peace, but this idiot we have in office doesn’t understand that a strong military is the only way to have peace. He really is an idiot. I can’t say that often enough…he is an IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!

    • November 15, 2012 at 3:27 pm
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      So you think he’s an idiot?

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    • November 15, 2012 at 6:59 pm
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      Interesting how in a lot of opinions on this site and others, the president is routinely characterized as “idiot” or “moron”. This skipping about the old IQ scale leaves out the entire level of “imbecile”.

      • November 16, 2012 at 9:47 am
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        If I remember my Psychology courses right, I think Imbecile is between Idiot and Moron. The IQ level is somewhere between 50 & 60. Imbeciles can speak, read etc but have no common sense, much like our politicians we have in office currently.

        • November 16, 2012 at 9:56 am
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          Actually, it’s Imbecile, Moron, Idiot. But then again, it’s been a long time since your last psychology course.

          • November 16, 2012 at 2:39 pm
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          • November 16, 2012 at 2:42 pm
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            Well thank God I didn’t make it all the way to Idiot! That was a close one…

  • November 15, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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    Oh great, now he is going to say I need to share my swimming pool with others too.

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    • November 15, 2012 at 4:26 pm
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      You have a swimming pool? He shuld tax that too (sarcasm). Maybe he should pay his fair share of property taxxes in IL?

      • November 20, 2012 at 10:24 am
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        FFA, Sorry about the Bears game last night. I was looking forward to a barn burner and it was over before halftime. It is apparent they need Cutler in the game because the back up was totally lost and played poorly even for a back up. SF was playing their back up and he looked better than Smith, the starter. He made no mistakes and the kid can really throw it. The only team in the NFL that is consistent from game to game is the Cowboys. They are consistently inconsistent and can make a 2-7 opponent look good.

  • November 15, 2012 at 3:38 pm
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    Maybe we can get him to change the earth’s rotation? Maybe he can get people to work running around real fast to accomplish this? Libby says he should speak more clearly? It’s pretty clear to me. Another 4 years of his Rhetoric, that hot air alone could do it.

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      • November 15, 2012 at 4:23 pm
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        Not Snarky?

        • November 15, 2012 at 4:25 pm
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          Not this time! Just sarcastic.

          • November 16, 2012 at 1:23 pm
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            Still trying to get the hang of that word. Takes a while for an old dog to learn a new trick.

  • November 15, 2012 at 3:42 pm
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    Libby says:
    I don’t think there will be any more tax money to spend, Agent. You have half of America going out of business and what businesses are left will be forcing their employees onto Obamacare or making them part-time to avoid it. If everything happens as you predict, the ozone is the last thing we’ll be worrying about.

    I’m confused Libby, on other post you think Obama walks on water, changing your tune?

    • November 15, 2012 at 3:45 pm
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      No. Just pointing out to Agent that his doomsday predictions can’t all possibly come true or it will indeed be the end of the world. And, fingers crossed until 12/22/12, but I don’t think the world is going to end any time soon.

      Don’t worry, in 4 years you guys will get a shot at bat again. Hope you get a better batter this time. The last one you had choked.

      • November 15, 2012 at 4:23 pm
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        I saw a very good Political cartoon today. Two Mayans were standing in front of the calendar they carved. One asked the other why the world ended in 2012. The other said they re-elected Obama.

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          • November 16, 2012 at 10:08 am
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            Even when I agree with Agent, I get thumbed down. You people are pathetic.

    • November 15, 2012 at 4:24 pm
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      Walking on water would imply the guy is Christian.

  • November 15, 2012 at 3:56 pm
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    Can’t argue with that, I just hope 2014 elections has some change or we are deadlocked until 2016

  • November 15, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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    This is another political statement- “we are going to eliminate pollution” by someone who has never removed pollution. If Obama wanted to stop pollution he could start and quit smoking like a chimney. That would be a start.

    Fact is 16 of the worst 20 most polluted cities in the world are in China, 2 in Russia, Chernobyl in the Ukraine (I know that one), 1 in India and 1 in Pakistan. If you were to reasearch the top 50 worst polluted cities, my bet is not one would be in the US. What does that mean? 1.) I guess that is all George Bush’s fault and 2.) Why does Obama need cars that get 54 miles per gallon and others that run on batteries (a pollution tht is difficult to get rid of in and of itself) when he might spend a whole lot less money and get world support by forcing the worst polluters to quit poisoning their own people and clean their country up, all of them?

    • November 16, 2012 at 8:53 am
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  • November 15, 2012 at 6:00 pm
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    Libby, I have no doubt that you read the National Enquirer and the Huffington Post which are about the same. Employers really are laying off people and I hope the first ones to go are the people that voted for Obama. In our conservative Texas town, there aren’t too many of those, however. You have really done it this time and you are so stupid that you don’t see it. Are you in the agency world or the company world? If you were in the agency you would have been hearing the comments we’re hearing frmo our doctors, oil people, contractors, etc.. They are worried.

    • November 16, 2012 at 8:28 am
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        • November 16, 2012 at 9:27 am
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          Well, I am in good company. The majority of Americans feel the same way I do. That was proven on November 6th. Insulting me will not change things. Put on your big boy pants and move on.

  • November 15, 2012 at 7:47 pm
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    This is just more political speak to an audiance that will listen to him. If he wants to do something about pollution, the first thing he could do is to quit smoking like a chimney.

    The truth is that of the top 20 most polluted cities in the world- 16 are located in China, 2 in Russia, Cherynobl in the Ukraine (I could have guessed that one, and 1 in India. I would bet that if you researched the top 50 that none would be in the US, So why does Obama want to force us to drive electric cars (polluters in and of themselves) with a 50 mile range and force car makers to produce 54 MPG cars that will be duds to drive?

    I have an idea, why not take some of the money that you wasted on companies like Solyndra (Oh they went bankrupt), get international support and force China and the rest of these countries that are the biggest polluters in the world to clean up their country? If he did that then these countries might just have to do it, cost of their products might go up and then jobs might just move back to the US.

    • November 16, 2012 at 8:51 am
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    • November 16, 2012 at 9:35 am
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      Sargent, I wonder what this President’s carbon footprint has been the last four years with AF1, the airplanes that support him, the bus, the limos, helicopters and Suburbans etc. A city of 100,000 doesn’t pollute like he has. He is about to go to Burma for some unknown reason. Do you think there will be some pollutants put in the air on that trip? He says to America, do as I say, not as I do.

  • November 16, 2012 at 9:11 am
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    Well Obama seems to have an answer for everything when asked. Never has he disclosed any details of how he’s going to do it. Just telling people want they want to hear, all talk and no do.

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      • November 16, 2012 at 9:19 am
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        Yep Libby, thanks for adding to your cluelessness.

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  • November 16, 2012 at 9:56 am
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    Hee hee – you righties need to get over it. Your Stepford plastic Brylcreem’d empty suit LOST the elction. You don’t have the support of youth, women or the middle class. The days of old rich fat white protestant guys with submissive (rich fat) wives is over. Lean forward. Move on. Progress. Admit it – the TeaKlux and the religious fundie right hijacked your party and forever poisoned it. Look at the candidates – Gingrich? Bachmann? Perry? Moderates like Huntsman or Pawlenty didn’t stand a chance – and yet – the left had a concern that one of them MIGHT be the candidate. Nah – not when the TeaKlux is running the show. Thank you Sheldon Adelson. Thank you Koch brothers. Thanks Pat Robertson. Thanks Rev. Graham. And a special thanks to Karl Rove. heh heh heh….

    • November 16, 2012 at 10:02 am
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      Brokie, you make me smile. TeaKlux. I like that! And you are right on with your assessment of what happened to the Republican party, but the headbangers on this site will never see it, let alone admit it. The f-ed up big time and will now have to wait 4 more years for another at bat. Until then, expect alot of whining, gnashing of teeth, and bitter vitriole. Just an extension of the recent campaign they ran. And they call us the nasty ones! Give me a break.

    • November 16, 2012 at 10:12 am
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      • November 16, 2012 at 10:16 am
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        And, once again, Dave proves my point. Whining, gnashing of teeth, and bitter vitriole….

        • November 16, 2012 at 2:08 pm
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          Libby, you can read the book too. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/meltdown-patrick-j-michaels/1100086619?ean=9781930865594

          Try not to let facts get in the way of your baseless arguments.

          • November 16, 2012 at 2:22 pm
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            And, yes, Dave. I can read, too.

          • November 16, 2012 at 3:09 pm
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            Know you can read Libby, which is why I didn’t ask. Just asked Brokie as I wasn’t sure.

          • November 16, 2012 at 3:13 pm
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            Rather uncalled for, Dave.

      • November 16, 2012 at 10:56 am
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        Here you go Dave – I’ll address the right’s point of view on climate change:
        Rick Perry “A contrived phony mess’
        Bachmann ‘voodoo, nonsense, hocum’
        Cain: “it’s a scam’
        Santorum ‘junk science”
        Newt – he flip flopped
        Ron Paul – ‘greatest hoax’
        Palin ‘the causes are not important’ (Read that twice – it’s soooo stupid).
        Myth RobMe – actually, he is a believer in climate change
        Huntsman “I respect science”
        How do intelligent republicans BUY this line of head-in-sand stupidity? Who were these candidates pandering to? Don’t get me started on creationism…..

    • November 16, 2012 at 10:19 am
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      Brokie, You are one of the finest examples of a Brokie mind and run a close race with Planet from another planet. Are you identical twins? You should crawl back in that hole you came out of and quit spewing the Progressive Socialist crap you think is so cute.

      • November 16, 2012 at 10:23 am
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    • November 16, 2012 at 1:27 pm
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      Donr forget Jess Jackson Sr & JR and Jrs wife too.

    • November 16, 2012 at 7:02 pm
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      I think Huntsman could have won. The rest are wackos, hearing voices in their heads.

  • November 16, 2012 at 10:33 am
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    “And as a consequence, I think we’ve got an obligation to future generations to do something about it.” And while you’re at it, Mr. Obama, kindly tell them about the debit you’re leaving them with as well.

    • November 16, 2012 at 1:29 pm
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      Hey Always, I someone told me todat that Rahm is looking at the Goveners Seat in IL. Is that possible? What is the feeling about this guy in Chicago? Murder rate In Chi is troubling. If he can kick the Pk Meter thing, he may have something. Teachers strike did not win him many points.

  • November 16, 2012 at 11:09 am
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  • November 16, 2012 at 12:44 pm
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    I don’t think we have to worry about climate change, Barry is going to destroy the America I knew and loved with his, let’s not salute the flag, say the pledge of allegance, talk about Benghazi to the pheasants beneath me, nobody needs to know anything I’m doing because I’m the President. I will give everyone free money and tax the rich, blah, blah, blah

    • November 16, 2012 at 1:31 pm
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      Sure we do. If we are all going to homeless, we need warm weather to live outside.

    • November 16, 2012 at 2:13 pm
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      draetish ..’pheasants’…you said ‘pheasants’…those are multi-colored game birds. The pheasants beneath the president. Did he step on them, unlike Myth RobMe who put HIS animals on a pedestal…the top of his car.

      • November 16, 2012 at 2:23 pm
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        I don’t usually talk to the birds beneath me, either. They don’t have much to say.

        • November 16, 2012 at 2:36 pm
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          Give Draetish a break, he flocked up.

          Give Draetish a break, in his haste to get a post out here, he didn’t spell check. He was winging it.

          Give Draetish a break, he’s a deficit hawk.

          Give Draetish a break, he’s an empty-nester.

          Give Draetish a break, while all of you were sleeping in today, he was out there getting the worms.

          “You gave Petey to the blind kid?”

          • November 16, 2012 at 2:40 pm
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            He sold Petey to the blind kid!

          • November 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm
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            That’s right – sold Petey. Good catch, Libby!

      • November 17, 2012 at 12:59 pm
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        And here is another one boasting that hi IQ. Sometimes I think the IQ gets in the way of common sense. I’ll bet you find Waldo in less then 30 seconds too.

  • November 16, 2012 at 1:18 pm
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    “President Obama Vows to Address Climate Change” Please, if you are going to write a headline, at least be accurate. This headline should have read “Obama Promises More Taxes, Using Evironment As Excuse” This is a ruse to scam more tax dollars, and nothing more.

  • November 16, 2012 at 1:41 pm
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    Libby said- But how would he go about forcing the rest of the world to “clean up their act?”

    I think there are a number of things that we could do such as:

    1.) Back off American industry who make their products in the US to make us more competitive in world markets. At least in the short term.

    2.) Garner international support (something this administration would have a tough time with), especially Europe Japan and other east Asian countries since the pollution problems of Russia, China, Pakistan and India are closer to them and will have a greater impact on them than North America (at least in the short term). Most European countries already have tough pollution controls. At least the western European countries do and Japan I believe. They don’t want the Chinese to poison their own people.

    3.) Place an additional international pollution tariff on goods coming from China, Russia, Pakistan, India etc. This could be done by all of the coalition countries. Collect the tariffs and place them in a trust by each country. If the country makes certain improvements (hit certain targets) in eliminating pollution, they can get the money back without interest. We keep the interest money for our cost and trouble. We can put the interest money (I suspect several billion dollars)in the treasury directed solely to pay down our debt (good luck with that. Obama will have it spent 50 times over on entitlements).

    4.) If they don’t like it The US could/will seek other product providers in countries that do not pollute and kill their own people to sell a lot of junk product to the US. Like our European coalition partners.

    5.) Place an exit tariff on US companies that use Chinese, Russian, pakistan or Indian companies to produce products for American domicile companies. This would be foreign companies that are big pollution contributors. There are many. So you get a tariff on incoming and outgoing companies

    Once the tariffs are in place each country would either have to pay or exit. That just might make Chinese,India,Pakistan products more expensive and allow companies to produce higher quality, better products in the US which could mean more US jobs.
    There are many other things that can be done but this post is already to long.

    P.S. I did not thumbs down your post. I had renewal calls to make.

    • November 16, 2012 at 1:52 pm
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      Those are some good ideas. But you’re talking about raising the price of the end product to consumers, which in the end makes us pay for it. Don’t know about you, but I really can’t afford for things to get much more expensive.

      As far as choosing product providers, that’s up to each individual company to decide, not the U.S. government.

      But I’m all for getting international support and a list of their ideas as well.

      Glad your business is going well and you have accounts to renew.

    • November 16, 2012 at 2:43 pm
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      Sargent, I don’t think the Hostess Bakeries will be contributing to Pollution anymore since they closed down completely due to the unions. 18,000 workers out of a job just in time for Christmas. Congratulations union lovers. They do good work in destroying jobs. Perhaps they can now all get a “green job” if they can find anyone in that field still in business.

      • November 16, 2012 at 2:52 pm
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        What about the CEO’s sweetheart deal? $125,000 a month. Top execs got 80% raises. Teamsters lost almost $100,000,000 last year. Not sure this is all the fault of those evil unions. I think you should take a step back, reposition yourself, and get a good bird’s eye view of this situation.

        • November 16, 2012 at 3:19 pm
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          Planet, Enjoy your Twinkies and Ding Dongs while they are still on the shelf because they will be gone shortly. Planet, I don’t care what the CEO and officers of this company made as long as the company was successful and provided jobs to employees. These unions like the Teamsters and Bakers Union continue to push the envelope and what do they tell all these unemployed workers now. Sorry, but our strategy didn’t work. Go down and file for unemployment or disability and good luck in the future. We have had a few of these cases in Texas even though it is still a right to work state. A union shut down a plant down here 10 years ago after striking for 3 months. The plant just shut down killing 500 jobs and never came back. Cob webs decorate the building.

          • November 16, 2012 at 3:25 pm
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            If the company was in such bad shape, the CEO had no business taking $125,000 a month and then putting thousands of people out of job. How can you defend that behavior?

        • November 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm
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          So bash the guy for doing as good as he can – you know Living the American Dream.

          • November 17, 2012 at 3:36 pm
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            Give Draetish a break, it’s not like he’s on quail-ludes.

          • November 17, 2012 at 3:38 pm
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            He didn’t do that great if he got $100,000,000 of the union members’ money to fund his and the execs own pension, pocketed $125,000 a month, and still let the doors close on 18,500 workers. In fact, I’d say he pretty much sucks at his job.

        • November 19, 2012 at 1:36 pm
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          18,000 employees,

          Owner making 2.5 million.

          If the owner gave up all his 2.5 million he could only save 138 jobs.

          If the owner gave all 18,000 a pay increase, and received no income, he could raise their wages 138 dollars.

          The executive’s pay was not the pay which caused hostess to go under. You are aware the union offered 25% ownership among other perks correct Planet?

          This firm could have whethered the recession with the right cuts. Now the jobs are gone for good.

          • November 19, 2012 at 1:44 pm
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          • November 19, 2012 at 2:48 pm
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            $138 dollars a year is divided out by 40 hour weeks, and 52 weeks.

            That’s .066 cent hourly increase. I would call it “bad taste” to attempt such a wage increase in the mixture of a recession and the business going under.

            The goal should have been to keep Hostess alive, not to see how much we could squeeze from them as they went under, knowing the most they could ever get was a .066 cent raise, and rejecting a 25% ownership in debt. You realize 25% ownership in the debt, would turn into 25% of the profits as soon as the company bounced back up right Libby?

            That’s a good deal. They should have taken it. If they had not gone on strike they could have restructered the firm and come out stronger.

          • November 19, 2012 at 2:52 pm
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            Although I have to say on a comical note:

            Hostess is in bad taste and bad health when it comes to product.

            I wouldn’t eat any of their products personally.

          • November 19, 2012 at 2:58 pm
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          • November 19, 2012 at 3:08 pm
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            15,000 of 18,000 workers agreed to the cuts. 3,000 bakers refused. And all 18,000 lost jobs because of it. The 3,000 bakers can be very proud of their actions. I’m sure they can all go home now and tell their spouses, “Honey, a few of us held out for more money and we all lost our jobs. Isn’t that great? And because we were out on strike we are not eligible for unemployment, isn’t that wonderful? Now we get to spend all this extra time together, although with no money to have fun.”

            And thanks to this action, it sounds like a Mexican company may buy the brand name and make these goodies at less than half the labor costs incurred stateside. And by making the Twinkies in Mexico, they won’t be subject to the onerous sugar tariff which raises the prices of all products containing sugar. So maybe these new Twinkies will cost us less. But 18,000 Americans more will be able to take part in Obama’s food stamp program, and all those income taxes will be gone furthering even more Obama’s $1.2 trillion + annual deficits.

          • November 19, 2012 at 3:08 pm
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            Libby:

            http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/16/news/companies/hostess-closing/index.html

            I am taking your word for it on the pay increase of 80% for the ownwers. I should not be, I don’t believe that is true.

            Note in this article: They had 2.5 billion in annual revenues and still could barely pull off a 2.5 million dollar income. That’s not greedy.

            Note also that they offered 25% ownership in the debt. This means 25% ownership of profit when Hostess goes up.

            When hostess is down, you share in the 8% pay decrease. When hostess is up, you share in 25% of the profits. I find that perfectly fair. They only whether 8% of the down grade, but they get 25% of the profits on the up swing. How is that not a good deal?

            “Hostess also reduced its pension obligations and its contribution to the employees’ health care plan. In exchange, the company offered concessions, including a 25% equity stake for workers and the inclusion of two union representatives on an eight-member board of directors.”

          • November 19, 2012 at 3:18 pm
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            Don’t take my word for it, Bob. Here it is:

            http://americablog.com/2012/11/hostess-twinkie-ceo-salary.html

            I don’t know how you can expect to garner union support in a cutback when you are doing those things to yourself and executive staff. And while I understand they have every right to pay themselves anything they want, it was not the time for hugh pay raises. The company was in the toilet and the workers were protesting. Working people will only take so much before they revolt.

          • November 20, 2012 at 12:08 pm
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            After looking into this a bit, I’m changing my statement. The hostess people were paid plenty well enough.

            http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Hostess-Brands-Salaries-E329177.htm

            They should have taken that temporary pay decrease of 8% with a smile. You mentioned it was in bad taste for them to be taking pay increases. This is a good amount for them to be making annually. I think it was in bad taste to strike especially considering this.

            How many of them will get a job paying even $20,000 a year now?

          • November 20, 2012 at 12:21 pm
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            Is 8% what the company was asking for?

          • November 20, 2012 at 12:24 pm
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            I don’t know, Bob. Those salaries are only based on one or two positions that gave information anonymously. How accurate do you think they really are overall?

          • November 20, 2012 at 12:28 pm
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            You are right. I will find more complete numbers.

            I should have caught that.

          • November 20, 2012 at 12:30 pm
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            The numbers actually should be close considering my math though.

            We know that they were being forced into an 8% pay cut, in addition to pension cuts. We also know that they cut dollar amount was 100,000,000. We also know there were 18,500 employees.

            I stand by the cross multiplication. The dollar amount received by employee average before the cut would have been over $60,000 when you work out the numbers. Some would have made more, some less, and some would be collecting pensions of course.

          • November 20, 2012 at 12:42 pm
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            I’m sure there is more to it that we don’t know. I read about cutting pension contributions from $108 to $25M, outsourcing some delivery, and other things along with an allegedly big concession they made in 2008. The company was in bad straits and I don’t think the union helped, but I don’t think they were the sole cause of the shut-down. They’d gone into bankruptcy a few times before and twice in one year. It’s just a bad deal so many people lost their job. Including many non-union folks. Hopefully, Sun will be able to pick them up and keep them working. If not, there’s more tragedy…

          • November 20, 2012 at 1:04 pm
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            Libby: I can agree with that.

            I hope the employees end up taken care of.

  • November 16, 2012 at 2:35 pm
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    To Brokie and Libby
    Oops, glad you had a laugh at someone’s expense. BTW, I don’t think what you have to say has much merit either, just like your President. Carry on, Liberals you have so much to say like yea we won you lost. roll eyes

    • November 16, 2012 at 2:43 pm
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      Draetish, forgive me for my post ealier. Evidently, I’m a mocking bird.

    • November 16, 2012 at 2:47 pm
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      Don’t be such a turkey, Draetish.

      • November 16, 2012 at 2:54 pm
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        Give Draetish a break, he has the bird flu.

        • November 16, 2012 at 2:58 pm
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          We’d better stop. I don’t want him to fly off the handle.

          • November 16, 2012 at 3:05 pm
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            Think his favorite Jack Nicholson film is “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”?

            I’m just waiting for Agent or Sgt Major to come to Draetish’s aid. Those 3, they are birds of a feather.

            I’m just waiting for Agent or Sgt Major to come to Draetish’s aid. Those 3, they’re crow-nies.

          • November 16, 2012 at 3:10 pm
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            You’re a dirty bird, Captain. But I love it!

    • November 16, 2012 at 3:16 pm
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      draetish, I am tired of you and others picking on Libby and the other liberals on this site, it is ourageous! You see, Libby & Co really do not have any idea what they are talking about, they are just out here making a presentation on what they have been told to say. So leave them alone and pick on someone on the left that does know what they are talking about…if you find one that is.

      • November 16, 2012 at 3:31 pm
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      • November 16, 2012 at 4:43 pm
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        Dave, Your comment – “libs are just out here making a presentation on what they have been told to say”. that’s in true Obama or Liberal fashion – did anyone hear what Petraeus had to say about Benghazi? Looks like Barry instructed his mindless pawns in his renegade administration to not tell the truth about what happened over there even though they knew immediately what was going on. Have I mentioned that he is an idiot? Can I do that again? Actually, a LYING idiot. and all the people that mindlessly follow him around like the pied piper are also idiots. that means Libby and that Captain whatever he is. He surely never held the rank of captain in our armed forces. He’s much too stupid.

        • November 16, 2012 at 4:50 pm
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          I am serious…and don’t call me Shirley.

  • November 16, 2012 at 3:21 pm
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    Give Draetish a break, he just flew in from London and boy, are his arms tired.

    Give Draetish a break, it’s not like he committed a Cardinal sin.

    Give Draetish a break – no blood, no fowl!

    Did you notice, by removing just one of the Rs in “Give Draetish a break” you get, “Give Draetish a beak.”

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  • November 16, 2012 at 3:38 pm
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    For the children on the forum, here is some real good news:
    Finally a bipartisan consensus in polarized Washington
    “We had a very constructive meeting,” proclaimed Boehner. “I think it was a very constructive meeting,” declared Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. “It was a very constructive meeting,” agreed Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. “I can only echo the observations of the other leaders that it was a constructive meeting,” said Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

    • November 16, 2012 at 5:04 pm
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      Read between the lines draetish and what they are realy saying to the American People is: Bend forward, we aren’t finished yet. More taxes and no progress in shrinking the size of our $1.6 Trillion deficit. Big Bird is safe, Planned Parenthood is safe, National Endowment for the Arts are safe, no agency or program will be cut. Hey, it is all good.

      • November 17, 2012 at 9:35 am
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        Agent, I see you got your “bird” reference in. Good work! I was pheasantly surprised.

  • November 16, 2012 at 3:47 pm
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    Agent, good to see you are back on IJ. I am hoping tha someone buys the assets so we can at least get the product. They have some iconic brands and I am sure that the liquidation will bring some strong offers. The only concern I have is that it will go overseas to a foreign domiciled company. It woud be great if Kraft could pick it up and run it. Their stock has produced great results. Also, a company like Kraft could make use of any excess manufacturing capacity in their own plants and may be be able to produce the product at a lower expense ithout having to buy all of the Hostess plants. Maybe I should have eaten more twinkies?

    • November 16, 2012 at 4:01 pm
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      Yes Sargent, I am still as active as ever. Planet & Libby like to mock all of us Conservatives, but only succeed in making themselves more foolish with each post. I don’t know about this Hostess thing. I think the best thing for any company who is thinking about picking up the brand and offering the products would be to move to a right to work state where they don’t have union involvement. It seems to have worked out well for several auto makers who have plants in the south. Unions are their own worst enemies and almost as bad a job killer as our government.

    • November 16, 2012 at 5:26 pm
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      Hi Sargent. I try to be active although it is hard to work into a conversation between all the goofy comments from Planet & Libby who truly live in a different world than we do. I can see this brand coming back under a different banner, but not in a union shop. Whoever picks it up is likely to locate the plants in a right to work state. I don’t think they will want to deal with the Teamsters and Bakers Union like Hostess was trying to do. You mentioned Kraft and that might be a possibility. Michelle is probably ecstatic since the kids won’t have any Twinkies or Ding Dongs for the forseeable future.

    • November 19, 2012 at 8:39 am
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      Actually, Sarge & Agent. “A great sign of linguistic intelligence is in the use the puns. Puns require a great knowledge of your native language to understand as it uses two important linguistic areas, semantics and phonetics. Just think that if you are a foreign speaker of a language and a native speaker makes a pun, it will most definitely float over your head as you do not have the linguistic intelligence on par of that of the native speaker.”

      So Captain and I actually have linguistic intelligence and the use of puns is neither goofy or weird, but intelligent. The fact that neither of you “get” the puns is proof of your ignorance, not of your intelligence.

      • November 19, 2012 at 4:35 pm
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        Libby, since you and Planet liked ragging on draetish so much for his spelling, how is it intelligent to say you are not a pro-union protestor? Perhaps your brain got ahead of your typing on that wonderful statement.

        • November 20, 2012 at 8:05 am
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          Whatever Agent. I’m not pro-union and I’m not a protester. OK? And we weren’t ragging on him about his spelling. We were having fun with fish puns. Grow up and get over it.

          • November 20, 2012 at 10:44 am
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            Oops. That was bird puns.

  • November 16, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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    Well Libby, sorry you think that product costs would go up. they may a little, maybe not but it would produce American jobs and we could use it. the unemployment numbers for last month was 439,000 filed for unemployment. That means the unemployment rate will continue above 8% with no improvement.

    But don’t worry about product costs going up. Obamacare will take care of that. Every product you use will cost more as companies pass on the costs to the consumer.

    • November 16, 2012 at 3:54 pm
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      Well, Sarge, someone has to pay for the tariff. And it usually ends up being the little guy, like you and me. If it would actually create American jobs I’m all for it. Now, how do we get it on the table where it really matters?

  • November 16, 2012 at 3:54 pm
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    Yeah, you’re right, Libby.

    Draetish, what do you say? Once I get done tweeting, you and I meet over at Jimmy Buffet’s Parrot Bay Bar, jam to some Eagles, and throw back a couple Thunderbirds? Wet our whistles a little bit. You can be my wingman and I promise not to cock-block you if we meet some chicks. Take a gander at your schedule for the rest of the day and let me know. I have all my ducks in a row so I’m ready wren you are. If we get over-served, I say we take a cab home. Don’t want to turn into a couple of jailbirds. If something should happen, don’t do anything until you talk to a lawyer. Those cops, they’ll try to get you singing like a Canary.

    PS – Give Draetish a break, it’s not like he’s a vulture-capitalist.

    • November 16, 2012 at 4:03 pm
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      I’m winging my way in if you’re buying. I’d prefer a Yellow Bird, though. A-parrotly, Thunderbird is a little strong for me. Don’t want to end up on the floor like a canary in a coal mynah.

  • November 16, 2012 at 4:23 pm
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    Give Draetish a break, he’s a Repelican.

  • November 16, 2012 at 4:49 pm
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    Libby, have you checked to see how much the union bosses make? How much they donate to your candidates?

    • November 16, 2012 at 5:08 pm
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      Perplexed, Planet came out and said the Unions lost $100,000,000 last year. I didn’t know they gave that much to Obama to help him keep his power. What excuse will they give the workers at Hostess Bakeries? I understand that only 5,000 of the 18,000 wanted to strike. However, all 18,000 are losing their job. Perhaps the 13,000 that wanted to keep their job can take the 5,000 out behind the woodshed and thrash them for this Obamanation.

      • November 16, 2012 at 5:54 pm
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        The $100,000,000 is what the workers conceded (gave) in order to help Hostess stay open. By the way, Agent, Hostess first filed back in 2004. So, don’t act like this is a President Obama thing. Hostess has been having problems for years now.

        • November 19, 2012 at 1:41 pm
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          Captain:

          And when hostess has problems for years, that’s the perfect time to strike, eliminate their revenues, and then try for higher pay correct Planet?

          Unions resulted in the final nail.

          • November 19, 2012 at 2:19 pm
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            Last night news, Hostes is on BAnk Ruptcy and selling off their product line. Didnt catch how many more jobs lost.

        • November 20, 2012 at 12:06 pm
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          Captain:

          They agreed to an 8% pay decrease. If 100,000,000 is the 8% pay decrease, that makes the average pay in Hostess over $60,000 a year.

          Cross multiply 8 over 100,000,000 is to 100 over x. Do you do numbers on your own ever?

          Now to support my math, and you should have looked this one up on your own Planet:

          http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Hostess-Brands-Salaries-E329177.htm

          I think the Hostess employees were treated rather well, and they should have taken that 8% pay decrease and smiled.

          • November 20, 2012 at 12:20 pm
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            I think the $100,000,000 was what the Teamsters gave up. Not sure what the Bakery Union deal was all about. Do you have numbers on that as far as what they were asking for?

          • November 20, 2012 at 12:25 pm
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            Libby:

            Good question. I know what deal they didn’t accept.

            I don’t know what deal it is that they actually wanted. I would imagine the deal would have been for an elimination of the 100,000,000 cut (which is where the 8% pay decrease comes from, and then some pension cuts). I can’t believe they were getting paid that much though, and getting pensions working at hostess.

            My first job was at Godfather’s in Montana, I would have killed for a job making over minimum wage. Minimum wage in Montana was roughly 3 dollars under that of Washington at the time.

            I will look into it.

      • November 16, 2012 at 6:01 pm
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        Agent, ditto. sometimes I can’t like your comments enough:) It’s scary to see how the liberal mind works. It’s closed as tight as a steel trap. Reading Libby and Captain’s comments has enlightened me since we aren’t exposed to that kind of thinking much in Abilene. Thankfully, so.

        • November 19, 2012 at 2:30 pm
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          Thanks perplexed. People like Planet and Libby are from the very Blue north and have been drinking the liberal Koolaid for so long that they have the Progressive Socialist dogma embedded in their brain. Much like the Democratic Party, they viciously attack someone who happens to disagree with their warped views. The unions are just an extension of their party and a big contributor so Libby & Planet think the union was right to go after Hostess and shut it down with demands the company could not meet. I think it will be a lean Christmas for the 18,000 workers who are not working anymore. I am glad Texas is a right to work state. No wonder Texas has led the country in new job creation for several years. It wouldn’t be this way if Texas was like the N/E and left coast.

          • November 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm
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          • November 19, 2012 at 2:55 pm
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            Libby, Please explain what a pro-union protestor is. That sounds like a contradiction in terms. I may have understood you if you said you weren’t a pro-union sympathizer. The party you belong to is as in the tank for unions as it gets. They want card check and want to organize all business into union shops. They succeed in increasing costs for all businesses dealing with them and if the business won’t giver them all the benefits, they strike until the business gives in or out of business like Hostess did.

          • November 19, 2012 at 2:58 pm
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            Libby:

            You’re supposedly not for tax increases, and you admit that unions are not efficient anymore.

            Why are you not a republican?

            Those areas of business are the primary differences between democrats and republicans.

            Agent is assuming because it doesn’t make sense.

            You realize that democrats are going back to the 60′s in terms of unions and taxes. These are the same decisions that JFK was against.

            I don’t like many modern democrats, but JFK was the first one to start us on the correct path for the role of government.

            In essence you are clearly a fiscal conservative, social liberal. Your social liberalism is clearly why you have the urge to change tax rates, in the name of “fairness” despite what your fiscal conservative beliefs should tell you won’t help anyone. Then on the social issues you are just seeing an enemy in the republicans that isn’t there.

            Just connect the dots already. You’re a republican.

          • November 19, 2012 at 3:08 pm
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          • November 19, 2012 at 3:17 pm
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            Libby:

            He hasn’t, but I will be nice enough not to debate on it.

            You’ll see eventually things aren’t as you believe on the right.

            I can appreciate someone who is reflective on these issues. You do realize your liberal left social issues tend to rub off on your conservative right fiscal issues correct? People see you as more liberal due to that.

            I think I understand you more now.

          • November 19, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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            Well, I appreciate you digging deep enough to try to figure me out. I am conflicted on many issues, and do not always follow the “party” line on things.

            I do understand my social liberalism opens me up for some of the remarks and derision, but it only shows me more clearly that you can not put people in a box based on one thing they may believe. And if we were all a little more civil and respectful, we would find we have many more things in common than not.

            Thanks again.

  • November 16, 2012 at 4:57 pm
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    Give Perplexed a break, he’s Republiconfused…er…Republiconfoxnewsed.

    • November 19, 2012 at 3:36 pm
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      Libby, Libby, Libby, please wake up. You actually think Obama has been truthful for the most part? What part is that? Benghazi, no new taxes for the Middle Class, 18 tax cuts for Small Business? I am still waiting for mine by the way. I know you think he has been noble and honest, but there are a lot of people out there including myself who sees the lies and hypocrisy every day of the week.

      • November 19, 2012 at 3:59 pm
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        I know you do, Agent. And while I am not saying he has been forthright on all things, FOR THE MOST PART I think he has been truthful.

        I’m not sure what happened with Benghazi. Either the communication was really f-d up or he lied. I just don’t see the point of lying. He had to know it would come out before the election and could damage him, so I’m thinking others lied to cover it up and he said what intelligence told him to say at the time.

        The other things are campaign promises he made that overall, he has kept. In the 18 tax cuts, he included extending the Bush tax cuts and some other things that were in place already. So he took credit for some things that really weren’t created by him but he did extend. I looked that one up.

        • November 19, 2012 at 4:13 pm
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          Libby, Let’s talk about Benghazi. The communications coming out of Libya were clear by the CIA. Petraeus admitted that it was Terrorism by Al Quida from the start. The State Dept, Defense Dept and White House all knew it right away, but these facts just kept getting in the way of the agenda. This President and his cohorts all lied and tried to blame it on the video because the truth might hurt the re-election campaign. I am sure the speech writers were working late to foist this spin on the American People. All they have succeeded in doing is painting themselves into a corner with the lies. 4 people are dead because nothing was done to save them. That is criminal and should not be forgotten or forgiven.

          • November 20, 2012 at 8:04 am
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            4 people are dead because there were terrorists after them. You can not blame that on the administration. Could there have been more security? Yes. Should there have been more security? Yes. But it was a gigantic clusterf-k of miscommunication, none of which the President was privy to at the time. There was no crime comitted.

            And if the President lied about it, then that was wrong. Hardly the end of the world considering the lies of many other men in the same office. No names are needed, I’m sure.

  • November 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm
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    OMG – I get back from “working” and find that Libby and Planet have been entertaining themselves again.

    • November 19, 2012 at 2:22 pm
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      Of course. They are on the clock. Dont expect them to actually work do you?

      Lunch is over for me so I am going back to work.

      • November 19, 2012 at 2:27 pm
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        I’m sure I can run circles around you, FFA and I get twice as much done in one day.

        • November 20, 2012 at 2:17 pm
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          I am sure you can. You much smarter then me as you’ve posted. Your in much better physical shape then I as you have posted.

          Me – I live ina suburb where the mayro top priority is issuing more liquor licenses and then doling out fines when they have to surve under agers to survive, whos govenor wants to tax the small guy out of the state and a president that thinks turning profits and making money is immoral.

          Easy to run circles around me when I am just so tired.

          Hope you didnt break your arm patting yourself on the back.

          • November 20, 2012 at 2:58 pm
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            No more than Captain patting himself on the back about Obama. And actually, it’s none of those things FFA. It’s that I’m a woman and we’re pre-programmed to multi-task and our mind works differently than mens. But I’m getting tired, too. 33 years of this rat race takes a toll.

          • November 20, 2012 at 3:38 pm
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            FFA, I am also tired, but not ready to give up just yet. The liberal crowd has their hooks in us and our insureds now. The Unions are flexing their muscles striking in several places and causing employers to either close or creating problems. Hostess and Walmart are the latest examples. I have customers asking me questions about how Obamacare will affect them next year. I wish I had some answers, but it is so convoluted and difficult, I don’t think anyone knows what is going to happen. I think we can agree that it will not be a pleasant experience in the next 6 months to a year.

          • November 20, 2012 at 3:50 pm
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            Be that as it may Libby, I do hope you and all others – no matter what side of the table your on – has a great Thanks Giving.

          • November 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm
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            You, too, FFA. Enjoy your family and a good meal and hopefully a long weekend. Me, I’ll be working on Friday!

          • November 20, 2012 at 4:21 pm
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            This year may not be so good. Parents most likely will not be around to see another one. Family has been fragmented. When Issue pop up in the past, I’ve always been able to get things worked out. My efforts have fallen short this time around and most likely will never be back to what was normal. My brother really f’ed up this time and not even I can get past what he did.

            None the less, I am thank full that I have one more with them. Anything else is going to be a bonus.

          • November 20, 2012 at 4:24 pm
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            Well, God bless.

  • November 17, 2012 at 3:40 pm
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    • November 18, 2012 at 2:06 am
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      I’ll leave a comment after beakfast.

    • November 20, 2012 at 4:42 pm
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      FFA, I wish you the best and hope you have a great Thanksgiving. I have some things to be thankful for this year as well. I nearly lost my wife due to a massive pulmonary embalism and we were fortunate to have a very talented surgeon to remove it just before it went to her heart and killed her. I can’t help but wonder if this same condition happened next year whether Obamacare would pay it since she has senior status and we know what is going to happen to Medicare and rationed care. Anyway, we are having kids and grandkids in for Thanksgiving this year and it should be great and we can watch the Cowboys lose again to the Redskins.

      • November 20, 2012 at 5:24 pm
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        Agent, good to hear your wife is doing well. I don’t think you needed to shroud that story in the PPACA. You know as well as I, she would have received the same care. At any rate, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours as well. It sounds like you have some nice plans set.

        • November 20, 2012 at 5:49 pm
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          Planet, thanks for the well wishes, but I stand by what I said on Obamacare. I have friends who are already having trouble getting approved for care/operations. As I see it, it will only get worse as more of it kicks in. I have told my wife she can’t have any more operations unless it is an emergency situation since she is now developing clots. Too many operations over the past 10 years on her back with several fusions. She cannot tolerate major surgery without it causing problems.

      • November 21, 2012 at 12:06 pm
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        Glad to hear about your wife with the recovery and all. I too will have my Gr Kids most of the day. I, too will watch the Foot Ball Games. Dont really care who wins the Dallas Game, just want to see a good one.

        I am all in all a happy person despite the challenges 2012 brought about and do look forward to 2013 being the year for me.

        So, no matter what part of the country your from and no matter what side of the table you sit on, we can all set aside our differences for one day and hope every one has something to be thank full for (aside from all the political crap).

        Happy Thanksgiving to all!

        • November 21, 2012 at 2:37 pm
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          FFA, The Detroit game may be better than the Cowboy game. I think RG111 will run circles around the Dallas defense. Dallas also has 3 starters missing from the offensive line so there will not be many holes to run through and Romo will probably have to run for his life on most pass plays. It could get ugly. All in all, the day will be great with family and kids we don’t see often since they live a ways away. Have a good one.

  • November 18, 2012 at 10:36 am
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    Nomesaneman – you could have ate breakfast AND posted a comment. Then, you would have knocked two birds out with one stone.

    • November 19, 2012 at 9:11 am
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      *beakfast

  • November 18, 2012 at 11:08 am
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    Give Draetish a break, it’s not like he’s a bird-en to society.

  • November 18, 2012 at 10:14 pm
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    Draetish, maybe Poker just isn’t your game. How about a spelling contest?

    • November 19, 2012 at 7:51 am
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      Give Draetish a break, your’e gonna make ‘em stark-raven mad, probably just another fine feathered member of the GOP (Grand Ole Poultry)…You keep this up and he’ll feel like a dodo or somethin’!



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