Amazing that the US Government thinks they can “manage” anything! I guess that means the government will be “hiring” people to oversee this Monster. Just what we need, more government employees, where do I sign up?
“The public has 30-60 days to comment on the proposals before the government finalizes them.” What good will that do? The government hasn’t been paying attention to public comments on this monstrosity up to this point; why would they start paying attention now?
My comment is that there is almost no actual information in the article. Some people like it and some don’t? Seriously? What are the actual rules for pre-existing conditions? I guess I will have to look elsewhere for details.
It is like a kid’s game. They will make it up as they go along, fining you the whole time, using the IRS as their strong-arm tactics base. So, this will close about 8 – 10 health insurers. That will eliminate tons of jobs.
Well, Kids Game, if the companies were run by CEO’s with good intentions then they would find a way around closing….but can we both agree that it is better and easier for the CEO of these companies to just close down to save face and run off with hundreds of millions of dollars rather than lay off a few people and turn the company around. That seems impossible to me since 8 years of the “BUSH” administration have let these companies run themselves and the American people into the ground. If not for Obama and his Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that he sign in 2010, I would either have to pay half of my salary to a private insurance company or for $199/mth my wife can have health insurance. Good insurance. Not that $200 a month but “oh wait” your deductible is $5000 crap. Her deductible is $1500. What Obama has done for us is put an additional $5000 in our pockets to raise our kids with, save money for their college, etc…. I am not a “die hard” Democrat nor do I make over $250,000 a year. I ask myself what would Jesus do in our times. He gave the shirt off his back to someone in need and all Obama is asking is for people making more that $250,000 to give a little more. I’m sorry but if you are a company and you have over 50 employees you would only go bankrupt from supplying a health care option to your employees, if you were greedy and would rather lay people off or close down because you didn’t want to change your way of life. Please comment.
So, Joe Momma, you’re saying that if people who make over $250K a year and prefer to not have to pay for a stranger’s abortions, birth control, healthcare, etc., that that makes them greedy?
Hey. I don’t want to pay for someone elses kids to go to school, either. But I do. I don’t want to pay for unwanted babies. But I do. I don’t want to pay for parks I don’t use. But I do. We all have to pay taxes and some of it goes places we don’t want it to. Get over it.
November 28, 2012 at 3:27 pm
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Libby, I don’t mind paying for someone else’s kids to go to school (as long as they are in my country legally) because they are our future; I would rather pay for an unwanted baby than pay for an abortion since I am pro-life; perhaps you should get out and enjoy one of your local parks since your tax dollars have already paid for them and continue to pay for their maintenance? You tell me to ‘get over it’ as if you have a problem with me…do you?
November 28, 2012 at 3:28 pm
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Yo Joe Mamma,
You clearly feel like you are owed something. Frankly, this is the largest joke of a LAW ever written.
Do not blame Bush or you would not have Medicare Prescription Coverage and that has been financially beneficial to seniors.
Again, the RICH should pay for those who lay on a couch all day and watch Andy Griffith shows. WHY? If you are able bodied and not mentally deficient, GET A JOB LIKE THE REST OF US.
Owners of companies are NOT greedy because they want a profit. They typically risk their entire ASSETS to start and maintain their small businesses. NO one considers that when they take home a small profit.
As well, many NEVER succeed or make a profit.
Why should they be FORCED to provide health insurance?
For me, I am going to pay the penalty each year instead of premiums. When I get sick or get cancer, I will walk my butt into a hospital and tell them Obama says you have to treat me FREE!
Hey AZ, I am a fan of yours for life. I would add that keeping the failure to launch kids on the parents policy to age 26 will not spur them on to get a job and out on their own. Hey, three squares a day, free laundry, room and they can sit on their butts and download apps on their smart phone or tablet and all is good.
December 11, 2012 at 8:56 am
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They should be forced to pay for employee health insurance because if they don’t then you & I pay for it via increased hospital costs (to make up for lost income).
Owners who shift the cost of health care to the general public may not be greddy, but certainly are irresponsible.
December 11, 2012 at 11:20 am
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Hot off the press AZ Man. The little nuggets of Obamacare keep surfacing. A new story is out that a charge of $63 per head to every individual and group policy will be assessed to cover the cost of individuals who have pre-existing conditions. Isn’t that wonderful? The Affordable Care Act in action. This is supposed to raise about $25 Billion over three years from individuals and companies with group plans. Is it any wonder that companies are considering dropping their coverage entirely and paying the tax. Every week is a new revelation of how we are getting hosed.
December 11, 2012 at 11:26 am
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Calm down, Agent. It’s $63 per year or $5.25 per month and is only temporary. It begins in 2014 and continues to decline until it is phased out entirely in 2017.
I agree. Jesus would have insisted on free health care for all. However, from what we know, Jesus spent his adult life wandering from place to place giving very inspiratoinal speeches. While I am a great admirer of his words and deeds, the fact is he did not create revenue. It is the people that do create wealth who have the money to pay the taxes which go in to actually building the hospital, buying the MRI machine, paying for the medications, hiring the nurses and doctors, and on and on.
I am reminded of another well-know individual who wanders from place to place giving speeches, albeit the wandering is done in a nicely equipped 747 – no sandals being worn out by this individual. The man in question also has never created a dollar’s worth of wealth. He, too, expects others to fund the actual brick and mortar work, not to mention a large number of new employees to oversee the redistribution of wealth (and that nice airplane.)
Look J. Mamma, we may all wish we could provide for ALL of the needs of those who have less. We cannot. But the truth is, this nation is very generous, and it is the wealth of capitalism that has permited that level of generosity. While I would not want to be needy in the U.S., I would certainly not want to be in need in Haiti.
I do not mind paying my part for medicaid treatment for those in need and can’t provide for themselves. I do mind paying for those that sit on their butts all day watching TV and waiting on their government check. The government is making those people lazy. There is no incentive for them to do anything in life because the unemployment benefits exceed what they can earn in the work force. We have got to cut down on those benefits to make people get back to work.
ALSO I agree with those of you that say we should not be forced to pay for abortions. That is not a sickness or an accident. They should be forced to have the child and then let it be adopted. I get sick thinking of all the aborted children that would have been wonderful leaders in our community. It’s very sad to think those aborted children have NO representation. TO think that they only think about the “health of the woman” is ridiculous. Both of them should be forced to pay for the healthcare of the child while in the mothers stomach. This “convenience” thing has got to stop. It’s ruining our country as are the liberal Democrats.
January 21, 2013 at 11:00 am
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I wonder exactly what our deductibles will be when all is said and done and in place? Mine right now is $7000. 5K with an additional 2K in co-insurnace. And I wonder exactly what subsidised plan I’ll be on now since my boss has informed me that my Humana plan, which is coming up for renewal this year in October will be since I had breast cancer last year, will probaly go up by 50%. Less money less coveage? Is that how it’s going to play out? I’ll bet it that this is exactly how it’s going to play out. You’ll get what you can pay for. All of us that are being FORCED on these plans should include EVERYONE who lives in the USA and that includes all the goverment employees who are expempt. WE pay for their insurnace it’s not the other way around. They all make me sick no matter what side of the isle they’re on.
Libby, since when is anything temporary when it comes to taxes or government charges? This is over and above all the other taxes built into this multi headed monster starting 1-1-13. Keep on drinking that Koolaid Libby. You will not win over many of us on this blog.
I know I won’t. We just need one voice of reason, though, and I volunteered for the job. Don’t you get tired jumping up and down all day, stomping your feet, and screaming at the top of your lungs? It makes me tired just watching the show.
Libby, just wondering what you really do in the insurance world; it seems you dont understand the mathematical concepts of statistics, actuarial studies, nor economics for that matter. We are stomping our feet and jumping up and down because logic and common sense have been COMPLETELY IGNORED by the Federal Government, King Obama, and all the idiots that voted for him. To quote from the article in USA Today posted by yoyowordup…
“Prohibit insurers from using claims history…to increase premiums”…UM, REALLY????? That is exactly what is used to set rates and premiums with ANY AND ALL INSURANCE.
AND YOU WONDER WHY WE ARE ALL FREAKING OUT???? HOW IN THE HELL ARE WE PAYING FOR THIS IF THE PREMIUM ISNT COMMENSURATE WITH THE RISK???
Who’s jumping up and down? All I am doing is pointing out the error of your beliefs and bringing you factual information that you choose to ignore. The country has just about had it with Progressive Liberalism and all the problems it has brought on. Let the fiscal cliff happen and we will really see an outcry. Time for tar, feathers and rails for the sorry politicians who keep doing all these stupid things to our detriment.
The old adage: “if it’s not broken, why fix it” does not apply here. It’s broken. It needs to be fixed. I have medical insurance through work for which I also contribute $150 a month. However, if I was laid off, I could not afford the full premium.
Center, this law is the biggest job killer ever passed into law. You had better hope you don’t get laid off and have to fend for yourself or that your employer doesn’t drop the Group Health plan because of affordability/compliance issues. This is happening all over the country as more and more businesses have seen the handwriting on the wall and are making other plans in order to stay in business.
Of course Mr. Agent doesn’t like it since it will affect his livlihood which is of course unfortunate. However, I suspect that many millions of people’s lives will now be saved in the future since everyone will have access to our health care system.
So my question to Mr. Agent is this: Is your job more important than the lives that will now be saved?
Unfortunately, it’s that easy for him, too. His answer is Yes.
November 26, 2012 at 3:06 pm
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Well Center, Our good Gov’t raised the poverty level to 133% in this so called Affordable Care Act, so if you are laid off you can always apply for Medicaid.
The utter destrcution of a broken system, that is. And, not exactly tearing it down and starting over. Using the system we already have, so, an utter tenants improvements and betterments of the healthcare system.
“Change is like a dragon. You can ignore it, which is futile; you can fight it, but you will lose; or you can ride it.”
People said the same thing about social security and medicare when they were introduced, too. And people were screaming when there was talk of ending either program. This, too, is necessary for our country to join the ranks of the civilized. Relax, educate yourselves, and resign yourself to the fact that healthcare for all is here to stay and it’s a GOOD THING.
Of course, the federal government has bankrupted Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Why not just destroy the remainder of the system?
Please keep a few things in mind:
1. Employer-provided insurance was brought about by the leftists and democrat party controlling income and wages, back in the 30’s. Since wages were frozen, employers had to find a way to sweeten the pot to gain employees in a competitive market.
2. Many state governments, in a sickening effort to buy votes and buyoff constituencies, then larded up coverage requirements (mandating specific co-pay scales, mandating all pay into pregnancy coverage, mandating chiropractic, etc.), politicizing medicine. This has added to the skyrocketing costs which have come about the past 20 years.
3. Medicare and Medicaid have been paid for by private insurance for decades, as the greedy politicians trying to buy votes, attempted to make themselves look like Santa Claus. The feds kept cutting reimbursement rates, and the hospitals simply jacked up rates for the rest of us. That is what is known as a stealth tax. Essentially, it has been a big lie for generations now. The politicians have lied and lied, and those of us working to pay for benefits have been the suckers (as are the 53% of us who pay income taxes). As things go, the reason this is all coming to a head and Obamacare was pushed so hard by the leftists is to keep the big lie going. Essentially, the realized they had run out of other people’s money to scam, at least indirectly.
Indeed the US medical system is a mess. However, the primary reason it is a mess has to do with leftist liars who have been trying to pretend there is such a thing as a free lunch. Oh, and the illiterate fools who vote for them.
Anyone who believes more federal government is the answer for a problem created by leftist big government to begin with, either has a screw loose, lacks basic economics education, or is simply a person with their hand out, with no regard to those paying for th ehandouts (read: greedy).
Sounds good to me “IF” everyone participates, including our fine President, esteemed members of Congress and every other government, state and city employees. Everyone rides in the same boat.
Better remain healthy. There will be far fewer good jobs, far fewer physicians and surgeons, far higher premiums and taxes, far higher energy costs, inflation will be rampant. More people will die because of this new system. More oppression from government, less freedoms. Very sad.
Here are several bullet points for you, Steve. This is what you lefties want?
*Seniors
Obamacare cuts so deeply into Medicare Advantage that half of seniors now covered will lose their coverage (Do you have elderly parents, Steve?). Additionally, it makes health care access more costly and difficult by cutting Medicare and taxing drug companies and medical device makers.
*Families
Obamacare designates $125 million a year for school health centers which could deny parents knowledge about the care their children receive. (How’s THAT for a freedom that is lost, Steve?) The health law even includes a program targeting teen pregnancy that neglects to incorporate a requirement to reduce abortions.
(Are you a parent of a daughter, Steve?)
*Doctors
Obamacare adds 18 million people to Medicaid, which on average reimburses doctors only 56 percent of the market rate for medical procedures. With more regulation and less reimbursement under Obamacare, 66 percent of doctors are considering no longer accepting patients covered by government health programs.
*Uninsured Americans
Obamacare will either enroll more people in Medicaid or in a health plan the government chooses, but millions will still remain uninsured and dependent on overcrowded emergency rooms for routine care.
*Businesses
Obamacare burdens businesses with $52 billion in new taxes by mandating they provide health insurance for their employees and imposing other new regulations. These new direct and indirect costs will inhibit business growth and success.
(Do you own your own business, Steve?)
*America’s future
Obamacare imposes half a trillion dollars in new taxes, many of which will hit the middle class, and adds $500 billion to the deficit over the next 10 years and $1.5 trillion in the decade following—a burden for the next generation of taxpayers.
(Do you have children who will be amongst this next generation of taxpayers, Steve?)
Wake up and smell the coffee…These points barely scratch the surface of the monstrosity that has been put upon us all.
*Seniors
“There is considerable confusion about what the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (or ACA) of 2010 did with respect to Medicare Advantage. As part of a broad set of reforms aimed to control the cost of Medicare, the ACA eliminated subsidies which the federal government first used to establish the Medicare Advantage program. As of 2008, the federal government spent 12 percent more on Medicare Advantage than it did for comparable care under traditional Medicare. These subsidies (which added an additional $14 billion to the Medicare program last year alone) will gradually be reduced until payments to Medicare Advantage are in line with the cost of traditional Medicare.” Same coverage – less government subsidy. Thought that would make you righties happy.
*Families
“President Obama’s health care law is helping keep kids healthy and as a mother, I know how important a child’s health is to how they do in school. Whether establishing a new site or upgrading an existing facility, the availability of funding for school-based health centers that we’re announcing today will help kids more easily get the health services they need to thrive. The goal is to keep our children healthy so they can learn, grow and prosper.” As a mother, I would think you’d like that. And don’t get your panties in a twist, they are NOT targeting pregnant teens.
*Doctors
Starting Jan. 1, Florida will start paying Medicaid primary care doctors at new, higher rates required by the federal Affordable Care Act, a state spokeswoman said Tuesday.
*Uninsured Americans
That number includes illegal aliens. Are you saying you would like to provide them coverage, as well? “Researchers have found that immigrants tend to use the health care system less than legal residents. Illegal immigrants, in particular, tend to avoid using the health care system until they have to, favoring home remedies first or making cash payments to providers when they need care.” Besides, legal uninsured Americans using the ER should be easy to track down come tax time.
I could go on, but I have to work. Have a great day, CT!!
That’s all you have to say? What’s the matter, CT? Can’t handle the facts? Have a great day! :-)
November 23, 2012 at 11:47 am
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P.S. You don’t sound much like a nice young lady with that mouth.
November 23, 2012 at 12:16 pm
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OMG..Now you’re my MOTHER?? I don’t effing think so. You really are pathetic.
November 23, 2012 at 12:18 pm
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Dig a little deeper, CT. You’re really making yourself look bad now. I love it!
November 23, 2012 at 12:19 pm
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And if I WAS your mother, I’d wash your mouth out with soap!
November 26, 2012 at 10:41 am
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GFY…I thought you meant Good for you…lol…how shameful of you CT.
November 27, 2012 at 11:27 am
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Welcome to the party, Nebraskan.
November 28, 2012 at 2:15 pm
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I see everal people dislike Libby’s silly comments as much as I do. Does my heart good to read thru a blog and see her comments removed!
November 21, 2012 at 5:05 pm
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I agree Lou. All one has to do is look at all the businesses all across the country who are laying off people, dropping their Group Health benefits to throw the employees into the exchanges. They didn’t want to do this, but Obamacare forced them to. It is an affordability and compliance issue. Gee, I wonder why Congress and the administration didn’t make themselves available to go into Obamacare for their coverage. I wonder why 2,000+ businesses and unions got a waiver from it. Planet & Libby continue to trumpet the merits of this bill, but something is rotten in Denmark and this law stinks to high heaven.
Which Romney? And, did you really believe anything that guy said after flip-flopping on literally every single issue? How do you even know who this guy is? I guess he double-downed on the 47% comment, so we can say he is a guy who believes the bottom 47% are takers. Other than that, he should be wearing The Riddler’s clothes, because dude is just a big question mark.
November 27, 2012 at 11:12 am
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Any politician that is not from IL is more believable then one that is from IL.
Quinn want to hold a special election in March at a cost to tax payors of $5M+. He could hold off till April when the local muni elections are held and save the tax payor millions. I hope JR loses his pension. I wish there was some way to jam the bill down JR’s throat or at least the knuckle heads that voted for him. Maybe put an assessment down to them morons??? They voted him in knowing full well he was off his rocker, not at work for at least 6 months and under 2 federal criminal investigations. He had enough money to buy the senate seat. He should pony up for this special election.
And what is with the Dems higher ups letting him on the balot knowing all this??? And the other guy that got elected after being busted taking a bribe and getting kicked out of the IL house?
As you can see Cap, I am pretty down on any politician from Illinois. Its not a matter of who is lying, its a matter of who is lying the most. Obama is from IL. Make matters worse – Cook County – the most corrupt county in the most corrupt state.
November 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm
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I tend to believe that even the president now believes a little more that Romney’s plan WAS the answer. He will implement many of Romney’s key plans, then in his usually slime ball way, take credit for them.
What plan? He never presented a “plan.” Unless you are counting his 5-point plan. That was a joke.
November 29, 2012 at 3:59 pm
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CT, The news reported that the President is inviting Romney to lunch at the White House to get ideas on how to create jobs since he has no clue how to do it himself. This is after he villified Romney during the campaign as a big job killer and shipper of jobs offshore etc. Perhaps he will nominate Romney as his new Secretary of Business and create yet another bureaucracy. What happened to the Secretary of Commerce? Oh, that’s right, they still need to be there as well so they can spend our money doing nothing to help business. We need to expand EPA so they can shut down some more mines and penalize energy some more.
November 29, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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Lou, even though you painted a bleak picture for the country, I agree with your conclusions and a lot of others did as well judging from your Likes. It is a very sad time for America and I think it will get worse starting in January when the next big round of tax hikes hit through Obamacare and Income Taxes. We had better batten down the hatches because it will be a rough ride. As bad as Carter was, we will see worse from this guy.
the Census’s CPS ASEC report shows that the number of uninsured Americans is 32 million. It also shows that almost half of these 32 million make more money than most Americans. And Gallup shows that nearly 20 million of these 32 million say they are already happy with their health care. That leaves something on the order of 12 million Americans who are uninsured and unhappy with their health care — less than 5 percent of the citizenry.
The easiest way to help these less-than-5 percent of Americans is to fix the unfairness in the federal tax code, which forces most people who don’t get health insurance through their employer to try to buy it with post-tax dollars, while the vast majority of Americans buy it with pre-tax dollars (usually through their employer).
Gallop Shows? haha What did their polling show in the election?? haha. Either way what happened to those 16 million who can afford it and then something terrible happened then guess who covers them?? THE TAX PAYERS!
How many of those 30,000,000 Americans have worked all of their adult lives and have EARNED it? Sorry, but I don’t feel that it is my obligation to pay for someone’s birth control, among other things. I realize that there are certain medical necessities that all are entitled to, but when it comes down to having to pay for birth control, abortions, etc., it shouldn’t be mandatory that we citizens have to pay for it. Whatever happened to separation of Church/government?!
I am quite serious. The government is not telling the church what to do. They are exempt from Obamacare as a religious institution. Are you really against birth control or are you just on another rant about Obama?
November 27, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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Libby, I hope this analogy helps you understand the problem with the birth control exemption. Imagine that you ordered a white wedding dress and they delivered a black one instead. When you complain the company says, “Well we’re not going to give you a white dress. Instead, we just won’t charge you for the black dye we put on the dress. You still have to pay for the dress, by the way.”
Personally, it’s not a big issue for me but when the so called “exemption” was announced it was glaringly obvious to me that it didn’t address the church’s real problem, which was that plans excluding birth control would no longer be available. Whether you agree or disagree with the church’s position, I find it frightening how many people think making the birth control free actually solved the church’s problem. If anything, it probably ticked them off even more–the same way someone would feel in my dress analogy.
First of all, the birth control is not free. You still have to pay insurance premiums and any co-pay/deductible that applies.
Second of all, the church is exempt from Obamacare and doesn’t have to follow it.
Period.
December 11, 2012 at 1:57 pm
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you really have your head in the sand; the government isnt telling the church what to do? Bo-bama care mandates that Catholic hospitals have to provide the morning after pill even though its against their religious beliefs…oh, O-K, Libby, i believe you – that isnt the government telling religious institutions what to do…
Oh, and Libby, I do have a bridge i would like to sell you and it’s endorsed by Bo-bama…since you buy everything else he sells, figure you’ll give me whatever i ask for the bridge….
You shouldn’t have to pay for it Stella…America should join nearly the rest of the world and make it available over the counter. And I shouldn’t have to pay for Cialis and Viagra. And if you want separation of Church and State…tell the Church to stop telling the State what to do.
You have that backwards, Nebraskan. The GOVERNMENT is cramming the birth control issue down the CHURCH’s throat. And, America will join the rest of the world soon enough. Once this Obamacare fiasco is in full swing, we will be just as broke as Greece and Italy and all the rest of the world.
How is the government cramming it down their throat? They are exempt from Obamacare.
November 28, 2012 at 2:20 pm
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Libby–they may be exempt from Obamacare themselves, but they still have to offer healthcare to the people whom they employ and this includes birth control. Can you see the point now??
Stella, you are wasting your time and breath with Libby. As I understand it, if you are one of the 2,000+ companies and unions who have received a waiver, you are exempt from compliance with Obamacare. If not, your plan must fit the model and you must provide coverage or you drop Group Health and pay the fines they will impose. Many companies have already chosen to drop coverage and pay fines because the coverage and compliance issues are so onerous. The liberal crowd expects companies to just eat the additional cost, but many just can’t do it since their profit margin is so thin already. Employees will just have to go the exchange route and hope they can get something they can afford.
November 28, 2012 at 3:34 pm
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Thank you for the clarification, Agent. And yes–I am beginning to see from Libby’s posts that she is pretty much one sided..
November 29, 2012 at 8:29 am
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And his aren’t?
November 29, 2012 at 3:35 pm
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So far, I haven’t seen that Agent is one sided…states both sides, decides which one he believes in and goes with it. Seems like if he (or anyone else on these blogs) doesn’t agree with your point of view, then that makes him the enemy–but he’s not.
November 29, 2012 at 3:38 pm
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You obviously haven’t been reading for very long. Agent is very vocal about his dislike for what he calls “Progressive, liberal, socialists.” And he lumps all Democrats into that label. You don’t think that’s one-sided?
No one on this site is my enemy. I just disagree with their politics. And the majority of Americans agree with me.
November 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm
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“Meanwhile, the administration is moving ahead to complete rule making to ensure timely implementation.”
I thought that the rules were in the 2,500 page law that was passed. This statement implies that they are making up the rules as they go. Nancy Pelosi wasn’t kidding when she said, “You will have to pass it to see what is in it.”
I’ve been selling Health insurance for 18 years now. As of today I still don’t know if myself or the other 500K insurance agents will be paid for selling Obama care. I have been sitting on pins and needles since this piece of legislation was passed. I waited and prayed for a clear answer from the Court, that came and went. Hoped for some change in our current POTUS, that did not happen. SO here I sit waiting to see if myself and my 43 Employees will be on Unemployment!
Hey 1Termlimits, how about that new $63 per head charge coming out of Obamacare to pay for all those PreX people coverage? That is over and above all the new taxes going in on 1-1-13. That should make all your Individual & Group accounts real happy.
Yes Stella, Libby takes one sided to a new level. I will say one thing about her, she is consistent. You will always get a Progressive retort from her trying to justify her position. It gets ugly between her and CT since they can’t stand each other to start with. It would be interesting to see them in one of those cage fights. We could sell out the arena with agents and company people eager to see that one.
Stella, Libby doesn’t care for Conservatives or their solutions to the mess Progressives/ Liberals/Socialists have made in this country in the past 20+ years. Her guy thinks the private sector is doing “just fine”. All these redistribution policies are great if they tear down Businessmen who actually create jobs and try to make a profit in an increasingly difficult environment. They have to level the playing field until everyone is equally poor. Just wait until she gets her tax bill next year and we will see if she still is singing the same tune.
Libby, I have had a couple of years, seen several hundred opinion posts from you on numerous articles and I think I have you pegged pretty well. Your words shout Progressive Liberal big government solutions to the nations problems. You admitted that Economics was not your strong suit and it shows with every post you make about the economy and what is going on with the fiscal cliff fast approaching. Your side thinks it is no big deal that the country has trillion + dollar deficits every year, is facing another credit downgrade and all that is being proposed is to increase our taxes again. Instead of creating tax payers, we are creating tax takers in this country. They want to double down and “hope” for a different result. What an “imbecilic” solution.
I’ve had a few years, too, Agent. And I know enough not to judge someone you don’t know. You have no idea what I think or do not think about fiscal issues. My liberal leanings are social, not fiscal. And this “your side” and “my side” shit is what’s tearing this country apart. You’d like to think you’re so smart and know what’s best for the country, when you are one of the very reasons it is going to hell as fast as it can. You are the one unwilling to reach across the aisle and have a considerate conversation. Instead you lump people into either for you or against you. It’s childish and not very productive.
So, again. Speak for yourself and don’t dare to speak for me.
November 30, 2012 at 10:28 am
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Libby, You are what your opinions espouse. Everyone on this site knows exactly where you come from on issues. You think anyone from the Conservative side rant and are extremists. Numerous Conservatives on this site have tried talking sense to you and point out the error of your views. This country is not going to hell because of Conservative policies, but Progressive Liberal policies espoused by your leader and his minions. Raising taxes on the American people while not cutting government spending is the latest example. You are like a lemming willing to jump into the abyss without a thought of what is at the bottom. By the way, everytime anyone from the right reaches across the aisle, it has resulted in more big government spending since the Progressive Left never compromises their position. It is always their way or the highway and the folks get hosed everytime.
November 30, 2012 at 10:33 am
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You do rant, Agent. And you are extreme. I am not a lemming. I, too, am concerned about the financial crises in America. What I do not believe in is trickle-down economics. It doesn’t work. And for every negative thing you say about Obama or other Communist, Socialist, Liberals, I can say the same about someone from your party. That is all I try to do on this site. Is point out there are 2 sides to every story and the truth lies somewhere in the middle. For that I am cursed at, insulted, and censored.
I will repeat, for the last time, you do not know me. If you would like to speak for yourself, that is fine. Do not speak for me. Your version of my views is so off the mark, it makes you look stupid.
November 30, 2012 at 2:43 pm
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And, now they want to take control of the debt ceiling away from Congress so they can control it themselves…and another stimulus!! These people are NUTS!!!! LIBBY AND ALL YOU OTHER LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES ON THIS BLOG—PLEASE WAKE UP TO THE DAMAGE THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING TO OUR COUNTRY! What is it going to take???
November 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm
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Approximately 1,400,000 Iraq and Afghanisan veterans are claiming disabilities (NY Times) with a quarter of those claiming PTSD. If anything makes war obsolete it will be the medical care cost of the military. Taking that one step farther in expanding mental health care, substance abuse and rehabilitation coverage under the Affordable Health Care Act, to the civilian population, living will soon be unaffordable and obsolete. It’s affecting my mental health just to think about it.
Libby, If I rant, it is because I am a Constitutional Republic guy that believes we had the best country in the world until Progressive Socialists got their hooks into it and have systematically dismantled everything good about our government and economy. I would much rather have as you call it Trickle down Economics with job creators than Trickle up Poverty that your leaders want. Socialism is very good at spending other peoples money and for everyone to look forward to being equally poor is not a prospect I want for myself, kids and grandkids.
Agent, nobody wants Trickle Up Poverty. To make such a statement is why I call you extreme. It’s ridiculous that anyone would want that. We disagree on the reasons we are all looking forward to being equally poor. I blame the greedy Wall Streeters and Big Businesses. They continue to get rich off the backs of the American people and the income disparagy keeps getting bigger. I grew up in the 60’s, so was raised with the same values you have. Hard work and doing the right thing will get you a home, car, and 2.5 children. But times have changed and that is no longer the norm. We have big urban sprawl that has created many problems that didn’t exist back then. Crime, drugs, povery, teen pregnancy. This was not caused by Democrats. It is a social issue we are all responsible to address as Americans. Unfortunately, that sometimes means we have to give a hand up to someone to help them overcome. That is what a Christian society does. How are we so different?
Libby, Please open your eyes for once. Trickle up Poverty is the result of pillaging the business community with higher taxes, forcing them to accept an unaffordable healthcare bill with all the taxes built into it and forcing them to lay off good employees or go out of business. Did the Wall Street Bankers and the Warren Buffets of the world have a role in the country’s demise? Sure, and they are only a fraction of the business community. The greater blame should go to our politicians on both sides of the aisle who have taken the special interest money and pass laws that are so damaging to us, the business community. The taxes being talked about by our “leaders” directly affect you and I and millions of others. The so called Middle Class will shortly be in the poverty class. That is why I call it Tricle up Poverty. There is no chance this country will improve, have job creation with the policies being followed. Look for a major decline shortly after the first of the year.
For America’s sake, I hope you are wrong. I think I’ve said many times there is enough blame to go around. When you say it’s politicians on both sides of the aisle, I will agree with you. It’s when you attack only one side that I will disagree.
Disagreeing with a sweeping statement from you, does not mean I give carte blanche approval of what’s going on. I am only trying to point out to you that you can not point the finger in just one direction. That’s too simplistic and one-sided.
People confuse my taking issue with your sweeping statements with me giving my approval of what’s going on in Washington. That is not the case.
November 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm
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Yes, we should turn our backs on those with mental handicaps and disabilities (which includes mental retardation) as well as those with deadly addictions. Afterall, that’s what Jesus would do and that’s what is meant in The Declaration of Independence by, “life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.” It’s about doing the right thing. How can we be the only First World nation that doesn’t understand that?
OB – sorry, I assumed your rant was meaning we shouldn’t be funding those healthcare improvements. You clearly aren’t saying you are in favor of the “civilian population” having access to this type of care.
PLEASE!!!! Who pays for all this Captain?? A good portion of the SLUGS that love to suck the welfare tit?? Not them—-they’re too busy buying cell phones, taking and dealing drugs, getting tattos and piercings, drinking, not working and expecting the rest of us that work for a living to take care of them!! What about all the illegal aliens that are in this country sucking the welfare tit?? Get rid of all these SLUGS as well and then maybe we can use our tax dollars to do what Jesus would do Wake up my boy!! Nothing is free!!
It’s my understanding that undocumented workers are a net positive when it comes to the social welfare system. They pay taxes (sales, payroll, SS, Medicare, etc.) and because they are undocumented, they never receive retirement benefits (e.g. SS & Medicare) because they can’t, they’re undocumented.
Alspo, as we’ve seen in states like Alabama (and others) which have enacted tougher immigration enforcement laws, farmers are unable to harvest their crops due to a lack of migrant farm workers.
If we want to stimulate our economy and help grow our way out of this recession, we should stop demonizing those workers who are some of the hardest working people in our country. They engage in some of the most difficult and back breaking jobs, not to mention the low wages they receive and, in some cases the deplorable and often dangerous working conditions that they must endure in order to feed their families.
Well, said, JJB. I know many immigrants that are hard working, contributors to society. Rarely to I see them sitting at home with “their hand out.” They are the maids, and the laborers, the lawn guys, the manure spreaders, and the dishwashers. They work hard for very little money, but they support their families and they DON’T ask for hand-outs.
“the manure spreaders”.
Did not know that job existed any more. HMMMM.
November 27, 2012 at 8:27 am
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That’s because you would never consider doing such a job. But they will.
November 27, 2012 at 11:19 am
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I put my time in shoveling barns, bailing hay, castorating cows and pigs. I was operating every piece of farm equipment except for a combine before I was 15. I know what its like to roll up the sleeves and put in a hard day labor just for a pat on the back.
December 11, 2012 at 5:27 pm
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And a lot of these hard working folks also send most of their money back to Mexico to support their families in Mexico not here in the USA. How is that helping our economy?
December 12, 2012 at 8:49 am
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If they were all legal, they would pay taxes. That’s how that’s good for the USA.
November 26, 2012 at 12:35 pm
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But then we go full circle with their Work Comp…they get injured on the job, and are immediately fired….go to the hospital and get all of the care they need and never pay a dime. What about that problem?
Not all immigrants are illegal. But if employers are not doing their due diligence with the I-9 documentation, they deserve to be stuck with the losses.
November 27, 2012 at 11:58 am
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Libby, you are missing my point. A lot of employers hire people illegally. And as soon as they file a Work Comp claim, said employee is fired, never having paid a dime into the system. Who do you think pays the bill when the now unemployed illegal goes to the hospital? The companies are not stuck with the losses, the tax payers are.
And I’m not talking about people here legally, that’s a moot point to what I am speaking of. There are a lot of people working all over the country for cash. And the companies NEVER get punished. INS does a raid, sends the illegal immigrants back to their respective countries and the company hires the next batch of illegals.
November 27, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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Don’t know what state you’re from (Nebraska, I assume?) But even illegal aliens are entitled to WC benefits if they are hurt on the job. The employer ends up paying the ultimate price in premiums and increased experience mod. And because they are illegal, they can not return to work legally, so continue to be eligible for WC disability benefits as long as they are disabled. It is a Catch-22, but it’s the employer that bears the burden, not the taxpayers.
November 29, 2012 at 9:43 am
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FFA, From the farm owners I know, they don’t hire labor to spread manure manually. All of this is done by equipment now. Most labor is with picking the crops such as fruits and vegetables that would be damaged using equipment. Libby obviously used the wrong example once again. From your experience in your youth, it is obvious you learned the work ethic, something the current crop of youth do not experience. They are mostly couch potatos whose hardest work is to download an app or text friends on their smart phones. I, too learned the work ethic getting up at 3:00 in the morning to throw my paper route at age 13 and always had a job of some kind since my family didn’t have 2 nickels to rub together.
November 29, 2012 at 9:47 am
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Agent, I was referring to landscaping not farming. So I did not use a “wrong” analagy “once again.” You are the one that gets your facts so screwed up that we need a full-time fact-checker for your posts.
November 26, 2012 at 7:16 pm
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Illegal aliens get a lot more free benefits than one would think and the items mentioned above are not complete. I’m all for helping people, however, at what cost?? Illegal Aliens (most, but not all) get a lot of benefits that we as taxpayers give them. Why should my tax dollars go to pay any benefits for children of Illegal Aliens that are getting such benefits simply because their kids are born in the USA? What a nice free ride that is!! I’m sure that if I go to Mexico, Central or South America, they will do the same for me? NOT!!!!!!!!
Last I checked, if you’re born in the U.S. you are a U.S. citizen. That’s how it worked with my ancestors. How about yours?
And just what, specifically, are all these benefits you think illegals are getting in this country? Name them. I dare you.
November 27, 2012 at 8:59 am
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Yeah, screw those kids who purposely had their parents come over here before they were born. Totally their fault and they shouldn’t receive anything from us, even though since they were born here they are American citizens! Hell, let those infants starve and spread disease, too. That’ll show ’em! Stupid, innocent, American baby citizens.
November 27, 2012 at 2:20 pm
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Libby—-Please call your local Social Worker and they can give you the complete rundown insofar as what benefits an illegal alien and their family is entitled to receive. ENTITLED!!!!!!!! ONLY AT OUR EXPENSE!!!!!!!!
November 29, 2012 at 8:10 am
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I knew you couldn’t name any.
November 27, 2012 at 5:04 pm
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That’s not what the right to life means in the Declaration. It means nobody has the moral authority to take your life from you. Healthcare isn’t an unalienable right, it’s a service performed by another human being. A service can’t be an unalienable right because that would require violating the liberty of the person providing the service.
I’m not saying doctors shouldn’t treat people, I’m just saying you’re interpretation of the Declaration is wrong.
Libby, You tend to stick with the Huffington Post talking points and your argument always blames greedy Wall Street Bankers and Big Business for the trouble the country is in without a whiff of blame to our elected Progressive Democrats and RINO’s. They are the ones who have made it possible for the fat cats to do what they have done. We, as small business people are getting hosed and we react to it by pulling in our horns and laying off people in order to stay in business. Call me an extremist if you like, but I speak the truth and I am out in the trenches every day with my customers. Listen to FFA who has lost a number of accounts who have just shut down recently. That is reality and you should wake up soon and rethink your opinions of what is going on.
You blame Democrats and RINO’s, like no-one in Congress is a Conservative. They are and they have also caused alot of the mess we’re in. I know about people getting laid off. I was one of them in 2008 when Mr. Bush was in office. I was out of work for 9 months and took a job paying 2/3 what I was making before. I see clients that have downsized or gone out of business, too. I know what is going on. I just don’t agree that it was caused entirely by Progressive Democrats. That is where we disagree. Again, there are plenty of people to “blame” for this mess.
Libby, Conservatives did not and are not causing the problems we are experiencing. They were voting against the big spending spree this government has been on in the past 20+ years. They were outnumbered so were powerless to stop passage of this very bad legislation. I see you fell back into blaming Bush for being laid off. Guess who was in charge in Congress in 08. You got it. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Bush made many mistakes and most of them had to do with not vetoing the trash coming from her and Dirty Harry. Bush was a closet RINO and I do blame him for not having a spine and vetoing what got us into the mess we have now. Make no mistake, liberal Progressives are the root cause of the financial disaster of this country and it promises to get only worse.
I wasn’t blaming Bush, I was just pointing out that I lost my job way before Obama was elected.
November 30, 2012 at 5:21 pm
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Libby, the inference was clear to me. You could have just said that you were laid off in 2008, but you just had to interject that Bush was in office. Conservatives weren’t responsible for you getting laid off either. They are in the business of creating jobs by lowering taxes and burdensome regulations that help employers hire and maintain their work force. You are going to see company after company laying off employees in the coming months. We are not creating tax payers, just tax takers in this current environment.
November 21, 2012 at 2:30 pm
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Obamacare-typical third world system, for those who have lived through it already, it is sad to see it coming to “America”.
People said the same thing about social security and medicare when they were introduced, too. And people were screaming when there was talk of ending either program???? You are kidding right?
We all know these programs are going bankrupt as they have not really been funded properly. The government does a bad job handling our money and running programs. They will do a poor job on this too. I agree something needed to be done, but most polls still show more than half of us don’t think this was the right course of action. We are however stuck with it. We just need to find ways to minimize its impact. Having spent a lot of time in foreign countries I would suggest most of them could learn from us what is civilized. I don’t want to turn into France or Greece but that is where we are being taken by the current administration.
We are not France or Greece by any stretch of the imagination. And yes, this will certainly need to be tweaked. But I don’t believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It’s taken too long to finally get something through Congress and we need to make the best of it.
And SSD and Medicare are in financial disarray, but I bet you’ll be in line to get yours when the time comes. I know I will.
See how Your state’s Health Insurance Monopolies & Cartels score. Scroll down chart… In Virginia for example Anthem has 74% of the individual market. Does VA have Anti-Trust Laws?
Why should the US try to be like the other “First World” nations? That would be like Duke or Kentucky basketball asking Prairie View A&M how to win basketball games. This country was originally started and continues to be the place people immigrate to, to get away from other nations, including those First World ones….
That biggest, baddest, best ideology is exactly what is wrong with this country. We need to forge bridges with the rest of the world, not build walls. Our insatiable need to be the Number 1 Superpower is what is pushing us further and further into becoming just like Rome. And we all know what happened to there. It imploded on itself. We do not need world dominance. We need world respect and peace.
I am not talking about building walls, I am talking about sticking to the founding principles that are the reason for the US becoming #1. There was no insatiable need to be first, it happened quicker than any time in history because of the principles of limited government and liberty. As for why Rome fell:
The Fall of the Empire was a gradual process. The Romans did not wake up one day to find their Empire gone!
By AD369 the Empire was beginning to crumble for the following reasons:
The Government was running out of money.
The people had to pay very high taxes – up to a third of their money.
The rich were given grants of money and land which made them richer while the poor got poorer.
There was not enough money to pay for the army.
Barbarians from Germany called vandals were conquering parts of the Empire and there were not enough soldiers to fight back.
Although the outer edges of the Empire were well defended, there was no defence with in the Empire. This meant that once barbarians had broken through there was nothing to stop them marching to Rome.
The Roman network of roads allowed invaders an easy route to Rome.
No one had decided on a good way to choose an Emperor,. This meant that any general could march into Rome, kill the Emperor and make himself the next Emperor. In 73 years there were 23 Emperors and 20 of them were murdered.
I agree with you Dave. There is a very old, but wise saying that goes: Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. There are a lot of parallels with what happened to Rome and what is going on with this country. Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Our leaders are fiddling while this country is sliding into an abyss of failure. People from all over the world have immigrated to this country (legally)because this country was a shining beacon of freedom and opportunity to better themselves. They didn’t like dictators or repressive governments taxing them to death and controlling every aspect of their lives. Our founding fathers were wise to set up a limited government with checks and balances. In the past 40 years of both Democratic and Republican administrations and Congresses, our freedoms have been gradually stripped away and now look what we have. If this trend is not reversed soon, we will not recognize this country in a few short years. My guess is we will look more like Venezuela than the USA.
Unwind you panties, Libby. No compliment was intended.
November 23, 2012 at 11:11 am
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Guess you don’t understand the art of sarcasm. Only spiteful VITRIOLE. Have a nice day! :-)
November 23, 2012 at 11:22 am
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Gee. I’d say your response was quite vitriolic, Libby. It does kind of go both ways.
November 23, 2012 at 11:31 am
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No vitriole from me, chicky. Only sunshine and rainbows. Oh! Did I say rainbows. How gay of me. Sunshine and butterflys.
November 23, 2012 at 11:47 am
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You drive a Prius, don’tcha Libby….
November 23, 2012 at 11:48 am
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Beemer, baby.
November 23, 2012 at 12:19 pm
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Oh, suuuuuuuure you do. And, I drive a Maybach.
November 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm
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2006 325ci. Almost time for an upgrade.
November 23, 2012 at 11:16 am
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Libby says: ….”We need world respect and peace.”
It sounds great, doesn’t it? Well..time to wake up because terrorists will never respect us (too effing bad for them), and there will never be peace in the true sense of the word. You may look out your bedroom window onto your beautiful back yard and see it for it’s peaceful beauty, but out there in the world? There is no peace because the people who won’t be peaceful don’t WANT to be peaceful. The United States, especially under the regime we have in the WH now, no longer has the power to stop these peace-haters.
UMMM…WHAT? You would think that Obama has all the power. You’re pathetic.
November 23, 2012 at 11:50 am
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You think it, Dummy.
November 26, 2012 at 11:20 am
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CT, Did you notice that only a few short days after Morsi supposedly negotiated the cease fire between the Terrorists in Gaza with Israel and stopped the rocket attacks that he declared himself dictator in Egypt. Now, the Egyptian people have awakened to what the Muslim Brotherhood has in mind for them and now he has riots in the street in Cairo. This cease fire will not last since they want the utter destruction of Israel and they will continue to arm these wild eyed fanatics until Israel is forced to wipe them out.
FFA, I heard an interview on the radio with one of the Hamas leaders in Gaza this morning. He said they are re-arming for the next fight with Israel. Their goal is to kill every Jew in Israel. No amount of talking to them will ever change their mind. This has only been going on for several thousand years. God promised the Holy Land to the Children of Israel and directed Joshua to go in and kill all of them and being a human being, he couldn’t follow instructions, let them live, intermarried with them and look at the mess we have had ever since. This is all going to blow up big time in the next month or so and we will see who is on Israel’s side.
I think you have your bible stories a little skewed. Just like the rest of your politics.
November 27, 2012 at 2:12 pm
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I thought it was Moses. Just a matter of time before th4e Arrogant American is over there trying to push our ways on them again. I just dont understand why the USA has to police the world. Dont bother trying to explain that to me, I’ll never get it.
The Jews got over Hitler. They are not lobbing bombs into Germany. Talk about people that carry a grudge.
November 27, 2012 at 3:06 pm
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Actually FFA, Moses was not allowed to enter the promised land and died so his chief lieutenant Joshua led the way. Joshua did a lot of good work for a long time, but he was disobedient on this order and now we have Palestinians and Jews, both of which can’t stand the other. The history of the Children of Israel is full of examples of when they were disobedient or worshipped false Gods and they were punished, carried off in slavery, slaughtered like in WW11 etc. They finally made their way back and now they are determined to stay. If I were an Arab country, I wouldn’t want to mess with them. They have kicked butt everytime they have been attacked. I just hope we don’t hang them out to dry if they get into it again.
November 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm
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Been a while since ive been in church. Maybe I should go back.
November 28, 2012 at 2:23 pm
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Agent, haven’t you figured out yet that Libby and that goon planet don’t read their bibles? they wouldn’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Neither does their leader!
November 28, 2012 at 2:27 pm
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….”The Jews got over Hitler” Do you really believe that statement, FFA?
November 21, 2012 at 6:20 pm
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For all the absolute MORONS that voted for a second Obama term, watch out!! The worst is yet to come!! I weep for the future of the USA!!
Actually Perplexed, I think Libby & Planet read the new Progressive version of the Bible. Their version is the opposite of what the real Bible says. Kind of like how they view the Constitution of this country as a living document which can be trampled on daily. Disregard what the wise founding fathers did. We need to change for changes sake and create a brave new world of Socialism so all men can live equally poor and have the government look after all their needs. It worked out great for the Soviet Union, didn’t it?
If I recall, you’re the miserable one with the potty mouth. I’m happy as a junebug, thank you very much. My guy’s in the WH, Captain’s my friend, my man is hot, and life is good. What about you, CT? Got much to be thankful for?
November 25, 2012 at 8:41 pm
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Libby – I thought you were “soooooo busy” to comment anymore? Turn off your iPad, quit your job, govt will take care of u!
Time for the Libby haters to start crawling out from under their rocks, I see.
November 23, 2012 at 5:33 pm
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National Healthcare in the UK killed off all of my living relatives and I can see that the new plan here in the USA will ration me out of existence. Before the socialist takeover the USA was the greatist nation the world has ever known. I regret that I am too old now to fight effectively for truth and freedom.
Water Bug, the UK has a very civilized way of naming their program called “Pathway to Death”. They just make the seniors comfortable if they have a serious illness and make no attempt to treat. They take rationing of healthcare to a new level. If we read between the lines of Obamacare, they will be doing similar things to ration care to the point that no treatment will be allowed. After all, seniors have outlived their usefulness to society, right? Legalized Euthanasia built right into the bill.
I’m amazed at how many people want to talk about what Jesus would do and how few of them try to do what He did! He said to bless those who persecute you, love your neighbor as yourself, and if someone takes your tunic (shirt) let him have your cloak (coat) as well. The good Samaritan, who should have been least likely to help the man who fell among robbers, was the only one who stopped and helped him, and Jesus told them to go and do likewise. Jesus never forced anyone to do anything, and yet He changed the world. I read a quote, don’t know by who, that says “No single rain drop thinks it’s responsible for the flood.” The truth is, they all are. Each of our actions and words can be just another drop of rain or some sun shine that will help to dry things up – the choice is yours…
American, I am afraid that those on the left are responsible for the flood of debt and bad policy this country is going through right now. In fact, the country has been inundated with the flood of big spending legislation passed by the Democrats and reach across the aisle RINO’s. We will be seeing all the tax increases come to pass after the first of the year and many in the Middle Class will descend into poverty status. Does anyone believe they will pass entitlement reform and cut government spending way back? I am not going to hold my breath for that.
Geeze. Name calling. Potty mouth. Patting your selves on the back – your IQ, your car, your looks ect… Have to sift through 100 posts to get one good comment.
Why does Barak and COngress not have to be on Obama Care? If its so good for me, why is it not good for him?
I’m not patting myself on the back. I was responding to CT’s sarcastic questions. She tells me to go f**k myself and all you have to say to me is that??? And I thought we were friends. Go figure.
Was aimed at the both of you. Wish her comments were hidden too.
And go figure, had a restaurant called me today to tell me they closed their doors. Another account lost due to the current economic situation. 6 more people out of work. So, I guess I am a little miffed right now. Throw all the bickering into the mix. No solution being offered to the economic issues hitting my home town hard.
On the news this morning, Cost estimates at $5M to hold a special election to replace JR. I say screw them people that voted for him. Stick them with who they voted for – a looney criminal. Or stick them with the $5M bill.
On the upside, my daughter is now full time at one place. A little taste of spending cash and suddenly, she is hungry for more. Perhaps she will move out some day. hmmm. Its only been two weeks, but…….
Hey FFA. Congratulations on your Bears. They looked a lot better with Cutler at the helm instead of the backup. Regarding politics, I am sure they will find someone equally nasty to take Jr’s place. By the way, I saw where the wonderful mayor of your city says that every city should be like Chicago. I had to laugh at that one. God forbid that every major city be like what Chicago is. They take graft and corruption to a new level and they can keep it there.
Cant really know what we have for a back up qb. There was no O Line for him the one game he played. Hard to complete passes while laying flat on your back with a 200lb+ line man on top of you. Reminds me of the Kordell Stweart experiment – Run Kordell Run! was the battle cry that year.
I was chatting with one of my former contractors that is out of business. He stated the Summit killed him. The high rises put off the maintenance he was performing because they had to hire Armed Security Guards. Did not have the money for both. So, Rahm likes to kill jobs to stuff his ego even fuller. I have heard reports he want to be Govenor. Can you imagine if he took his policies to Springfield? Especially the 50% spike in the murder rate since he took over? May as well just make all of Il a jail. Wont even need to ship out the politicians – they would be right at home.
November 26, 2012 at 5:43 pm
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Your Texans arent looking so bad either. Foster is unstoppable! Schaub is more accurate then – do I dare say – Aron Rogers? Johnson is also a beast!
November 26, 2012 at 6:12 pm
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I’m glad you didn’t mention the lowly Cowboys. Washington is an average team and they made the boys look really bad. Washington has better players and better coaches and other than that, it is a pretty equal match. I agree the Texans look good right now. They propbably would have went farther last year, but got all their quarterbacks hurt. Hard to win with practice squad players.
November 27, 2012 at 11:25 am
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How about the cheap shot on Schaub? That guy in Detroit gave Jay a cheap shot last year. He needs to be suspended. Maybe his team mates need to take him out back the wood shed, put a hurtin on him.
November 27, 2012 at 11:27 am
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BTW, my friends tell me when I am embarrassing myself. Thats what friends do.
‘I’m not patting myself on the back. I was responding to CT’s sarcastic questions. She tells me to go f**k myself and all you have to say to me is that??? And I thought we were friends. Go figure”.
Sorry, some how I mis understood this post. You & Ct can carry on.
November 27, 2012 at 11:41 am
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I’m done with her. She can GFH.
November 27, 2012 at 11:59 am
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Geez! You’re both talking about me as if I weren’t here. LOL!!
November 26, 2012 at 4:12 pm
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Probably because Obamacare is NOT a health insurance plan. Nobody is or will be on Obamacare as it is currently constructed. If that changes, then you may have an argument.
Cant argue that point Ron. No plan design. No Premium. No nothing. Just a bunch of new taxxes and cost estimates and states saying – No Thanks – you do it.
My biggest fear – the unknowns.
How can anyone be behind this with all the unanswered questions?
Is my Chiro Bill going to be covered? I dont know. But if I dont buy health insurance, I am going to be taxxed – that I do know.
FFA, You have probably gathered by now that CT & Libby do not get along. It usually ends up in a cat fight and the fur starts flying. Sometimes, it only takes one or two comments and one or the other calls the other a name and here we go with a number of nasty comments. Regarding Obama & Congress, they both knew how bad this bill was, so they made sure they weren’t subject to it since they are all elitists anyway. They both said to the American People – Bend forward, we aren’t through yet.
If you’ll notice, Agent, I did not call her one name or say anything nasty. That was all on her, but I’m the one thumbed down. So take you’re commentary and keep it to yourself. You have revealed your true colors, all of you. You agree and support a nasty, name-calling, potty mouth as long as they are attacking me. Talk about a bully mentality. All of you should be ashamed.
I did notice Libby and you did call her the condescending “chicky” and in another one, “dummy”. CT is anything but dumb. Just because she disagrees with your liberal philosophy does not make her dumb. There are a lot of us who agree with her positions and we marvel at how wierd some of your’s and Planet’s comments are. It is no wonder you get thumbed down so much until your comments are hidden.
Well, I know who’s behind the censorship, Agent. And I did call her Dummy because in one breath she says Obama is running wild with Executive Orders and not following the Constitution and in the next breath she says he doesn’t have the power to stop terrorists. I pointed out the obvious and she says “UMMM…WHAT? You would think that Obama has all the power. You’re pathetic” That was a dumb statement made by a dummy.
And since she tells everyone how hot she is, I thought Chicky was a compliment.
November 27, 2012 at 11:59 am
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Seems to be a lot of people that agree with both sides. Dont mean they should dis respect each other. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, yes indeed, but the level the two of them stoop to.
Why dont we fill a swiming pool with jello and let them have at it (oink)?
And the censorship works in your favor Libby. I read every hidden comment no matter who posts them.
November 27, 2012 at 12:03 pm
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As far as I’m concerned, I was not disrespectful and conducted myself with dignity. Can’t say the same for the other side, though. I am not the one stooping here.
November 27, 2012 at 12:51 pm
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Actually, Libby, you should wake up and smell the coffee and stop believing the Huffington Post talking points once in a while. CT is correct in saying we are being ruled by Executive Fiat/Orders. He has almost 40 Czars in the basement giving directives he signs off on to run this government and impose his will on the people. She is also correct that Obama does not have the power to stop Terrorists. They are going to do their thing no matter what he says or does. If you think this Hamas cease fire is going to last, you are the dummy.
November 27, 2012 at 12:56 pm
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I don’t read Huffington Post. And I’m wide awake. I disagree with you and I find CT snarky and mean. That’s the end of the conversation.
November 27, 2012 at 12:01 pm
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(COUGH!!!) You are correct, Libby. You only referred to me as a C***, which prompted to me to tell you to GFY. Poor Libby…always getting picked on!
Go ahead, say it. C**t. I’m sure it’s passed your lips before. I only pointed out the obvious.
November 27, 2012 at 12:17 pm
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Hey!! I taught you something! And, I thought you were ineducable!!
November 27, 2012 at 12:18 pm
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Actually, that is one of two words that NEVER passes my lips. I can see though, that you have no problem with it and refer to it often. Potty mouth.
November 27, 2012 at 12:20 pm
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Had to speak in a language you’d understand.
November 27, 2012 at 12:54 pm
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And here is our daily cuss fest.
November 27, 2012 at 3:13 pm
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Libby, don’t give me that baloney about not reading the Huffington Post. I have seen you cite their articles on more than one occasion to try to prove your liberal talking points. We don’t give any credence to anything coming out of that filthy lying site.
November 27, 2012 at 9:30 am
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Yeah, I think government employees have always had a better deal than most of us. I have a couple friends who are employed by the government and they RAVE about their medical benefits, and benefits in general. What they lack in salary they make up for in benes. They aren’t even elitists or part of Congress. If you have some time, here are some details about their medical plans:
Q: What type of health insurance do members of Congress receive? Is it a single-payer, government-run system?
A: Members of Congress are covered by private insurance under the same system that covers all federal workers.
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Members of Congress have good health insurance by any standard, but it’s not free and not reserved only for them – and it’s not government insurance. House and Senate members are allowed to purchase private health insurance offered through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, which covers more than 8 million other federal employees, retirees and their families.
It’s not a “single-payer” system where the government acts as the one and only health insurance company. As President Bush’s chief of personnel Kay Coles James said in 2003, while lecturing at the conservative Heritage Foundation, “the FEHB program is not centralized, government-run health care.” It has drawn praise both from conservatives and liberals, including President Obama, who held it up as a model for his own health care proposals.
According to the Congressional Research Service, the FEHBP offers about 300 different private health care plans, including five government-wide, fee-for-service plans and many regional health maintenance organization (HMO) plans, plus high-deductible, tax-advantaged plans. All plans cover hospital, surgical and physician services, and mental health services, prescription drugs and “catastrophic” coverage against very large medical expenses. There are no waiting periods for coverage when new employees are hired, and there are no exclusions for preexisting conditions. The FEHBP negotiates contracts annually with all insurance companies who wish to participate. There is plenty of competition for the business; FEHBP is the largest employer-sponsored health plan in the U.S.
Those who don’t like their coverage may switch to another plan during a yearly “open season” period. To help with the choices, FEHBP conducts an annual “satisfaction survey” of each plan with more than 500 members and publishes the results.
Like other large employers, the government pays a large share of the cost of coverage. On average, the government pays 72 percent of the premiums for its workers, up to a maximum of 75 percent depending on the policy chosen. For example, the popular Blue Cross and Blue Shield standard fee-for-service family plan carries a total premium of $1,327.80 per month, of which the beneficiary pays $430.04. Washington, D.C.-based employees who prefer an HMO option might choose the Kaiser standard family plan. It carries a total premium of $825.15 per month, of which the employee pays only $206.29.
In addition, members of Congress also qualify for some medical benefits that ordinary federal workers do not. They (but not their families) are eligible to receive limited medical services from the Office of the Attending Physician of the U.S. Capitol, after payment of an annual fee ($491 in 2007). But services don’t include surgery, dental care or eyeglasses, and any prescriptions must be filled at the member’s expense.
House and Senate members (but not their families) also are eligible to receive care at military hospitals. For outpatient care, there is no charge at the Washington, D.C., area hospitals (Walter Reed Army Medical Center and National Naval Medical Center). Inpatient care is billed at rates set by the Department of Defense.
Update, Aug. 6, 2012: This item was updated to reflect the employee share of the monthly insurance premiums for 2012.
So, I guess the type of medical benefits the government workers receive are up to the carriers of the FEHBP. Much like the type of benefits you will receive under the PPACA are up to the carrier you purchase your plan from. In that regard, I guess they are similar. And, yes Agent, I do see the part above describing members of Congress having an added benefit. Though, given what is described above, it doesn’t seem that outrageous to me. Bottom line, you want to have a plan like them, get elected, become a government worker, or find a carrier who offers a similar plan. Many ways you can compete on that one.
As I’ve stated before, my plan became stronger this year, same deductible as last, added benefits, same premium rate. My plan improved and doesn’t cost a dime more.
FFA, You and I both have experience with women working in the office and know they are competitive and critical of one another. This Libby/CT battle is one of strong opinions and it degenerates into name calling when one makes a snarky comment. It quickly goes down from there. Of course with Libby, she gets so upset when people disagree with her position, she goes ballistic sometimes, especially when Bob gets latches onto her position and tries to make her prove her point. When she can’t do it, she tells him to get lost.
Dont change for me. Its a free country. Be who you are. hod gave you free will.
Just dont be all you can be because OBama is just going to stick his hand in your pocket and take it.
FFA, There is a lot flying around on the news about the so called compromise, most of which is bad news for the Middle Class. They are going to strike a deal increasing taxes with little, if any entitlement cuts or government operation cuts. The Middle Class will once again get hosed by our elected representatives led by our Messiah. They are talking about a $2,000+ increase in taxes for the typical family. Isn’t this a wonderful government we have now? Stick us with Obamacare with all those new taxes and then raise our marginal rates on our income as well. Everything they do drag this country down into the abyss of failure.
FFA, Hot off the press. Five new taxes that will hit on Jan 1st that should make employers very happy and encourage them to hire more people. 1. Medical Devices Tax – 2.3% of gross sales. I bet they run right out and double their work force. 2. Special Needs Kids Tax – Deduction will be capped at $2,500 when the typical expense for a family is $10-14,000 per year. 3. Obamacare Surtax on investment income – 3.8% 4. Medical Expense Deduction threshold increased from 7.5% of expenses to 10% making it harder to expense big out of pocket expenses. 5. Medicare Payroll Tax hike from 2.9% to 3.8%. All of these will hit as our politicians are deciding to increase our marginal income tax rates. The American people are getting hosed big time. Do you think the spending will get cut? If anything is done, it will be minimal and we will all be suffering from what they are doing to us.
CT, How can we protect our income and provide jobs to our employees if all this comes down like it appears to be doing? Our fears of how the election would turn out are now being doubled with the advent of 4 more years of the same. We are survivors, but have not faced anything like this before even with the Carter years. He was a nincompoop who was incompetent and we had a bad economy, but it will pale by comparison if the predictions come true. The Godfather said keep your friends close and your enemies closer. We will have to watch all the signs and do the best we can to weather this storm.
December 11, 2012 at 2:20 pm
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So CT, how do you like that extra $63 per head charge that is going to be slapped on those fortunate enough to have an Individual policy or covered under a group? The employer will probably just pass it on to the covered employees. After all, we do have to cover all the PreX crowd now, don’t we? Yes, we still have to pay all those new taxes rolling in on 1-1-13. Libby argues that we should just calm down and pay the $5.25 per month charge. When we add up what Obamacare will cost us, I again ask the question of: What is affordable about the Affordable Care Act?
November 27, 2012 at 2:26 pm
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When Cycles Sync up in my house, I have an appointment every night that week.
Maybe I’ll stay out of IJ when its becomes apparent cycles are in sync.
I like the inteligent debate / exchange of ideas.
If I want to hear foul mouth people swearing & cussing at each other, I’ll go down to the Com Ed facility.
FFA, I am sure you get plenty of the foul mouth in the wonderful secular City of Chicago. One thing I have noticed in IJ is that if any Conservative has a comment disagreeing with the liberal narrative, they are immediately attacked by the likes of Libby & Planet. They learned from their leader to villify Conservatives, distort their views and call them radicals. This is a phenomenon of the past 4 years. They are like the crew of the Titanic rearranging the deck chairs.
At least Planet dont have a foul mouth. Sarcastic – Yes. Foul – no, not that I have seen.
You and I seem to agree on almost every point including good sporting events. Maybe you and I should hammer out this NHL.
November 27, 2012 at 6:08 pm
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FFA, Even though we are several states separated, we are generally on the same page with what is going on. We are both Small Businesses and we are getting hosed just like our customers are. I have worked very hard to build my agency as you have yours and yes, the government didn’t help me one bit. All they are good at is taxing and spending our money with huge waste and you wait and see how the marginal rates will increase so they can binge spend next year. They are like gamblers who run out of money and borrow, beg or steal to get some more hoping for a different result. I could really care less if the NHL plays again or not. It is more union trouble and they go through this every few years. If we banned unions for sports, public sector and private sector, the country would be much better off.
I’m glad you got a laugh out of that one CT. We all knew you had a sense of humor amid all the rancor between you and Libby. I didn’t see her post saying she thought it was funny, but then she doesn’t like my posts anyway since I am an extremist to her.
CT, We have one of those Alpha Male cats which is a 25 pounder. We call him our dog cat since he really can put the cat food away and cleans it all the way to the bottom of the dish. He also naps upside down on the floor. You can only imagine what he does in the litter box and we take turns cleaning it up. He also hates the vet and they have to gas him before they can give him his shots. Not a good patient at all.
November 27, 2012 at 6:29 pm
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I am not that big of a B Ball fan – go figure with MJ and now D Rose. With Foot Ball winding down, what the heck am I going to do with my Sundays? Better get the Poker Club back up and running….
BTW, I love your neck of the woods – the South West. Hope they send me back there again next year. My wife really liked New York, but me – the Southwest is the place to be if I dont end up in Central Wis. I know thats not her place to be. Gets too cold for her. Me – let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!!!! Or let it be hot enough for the pools to be open.
FFA, perhaps Planet will invite you to go to Wrigley to see the Bulls play since he is such a fan. Yes, he said that. Anywhere in the sun belt is better than the frozen tundra. Give me the mild weather in the winter, no state income tax, inviting business climate which actually creates private sector jobs and I am good to go. It is really depressing to see what is going on in the country right now. Our Progressive politicians have just about done the country in and they are champing at the bit to raise our taxes again so they can continue their massive spending ways. I am sure Small Business will just love all of that and will immediatley make plans to hire and expand.
I have heard a few rumors, but I don’t want him. I don’t think he is that good. Jones hired Bill Parcells some years ago and everyone thought he could return the boys to glory and then found out that the game had passed him by. He tried Wade Phillips who is a good defensive coordinator, but not a head coach. Now, the experiment with Garrett has about run the course since he cannot coach a winning team. There are several good coaches out there. Personally, I would prefer Sean Payton who is a very good coach despite his New Orleans trouble. I am afraid the trouble with this team is in the General Manager/Owners office. He meddles, makes poor decisions on personnel and hires stupid coaches who can’t coach proper techniques, hence they lead the league in every penalty category. I get sick of it and turn on other programming rather than watch ineptitude. Most good college teams are coached better than the average NFL team.
Bit of trivia – How did Peyton get his start in the NFL?
He was the Spare Bear QB during the stike season. He went on to coach the Arena Team in Chicago then made the jump to the NFL.
Can Bill Cowher be coming to town???? You cant have Lovie!
Actually, Payton got his start in the NFL with the Cowboys as an assistant. Jones was familiar with him, but made other choices and let Payton get away to the Saints. Big mistake, but he has made plenty since the glory days of Aikman, Smith and Ervin. He didn’t draft or sign good players after that and it has been a revolving door with coaches. Now, he has a $100 million stadium and one of the worst teams in the NFL. The natives are restless. I envy Chicago for having Lovie. I think Cowher doesn’t want to coach anymore. Perhaps Jon Gruden might be a better choice.
Sean was a spare bear in the 87 strike under Da Coach! He was the back up QB.
Probably right about Cowher. Dungy is probably done coaching too. Gruden? Would he leave the booth? I would not. Get to watch games for a living? Work 16 weeks a year? I want his job. He was not fond of Davis interfeafing. How would he react to Jerry sticking his nose in things? BTW, Aikman is to me one of the best Color men in all of sports.
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I agree about Aikman. When he does the Cowboys game, he is more critical of them than the other team which they deserve. The Cowboys don’t need another retread, they need a real coach who is innovative and not set in their ways. The best coach in football right now might be Kevin Sumlin who came from University of Houston to Texas A & M. Just look what he has done in only one year turning them into a legitimate contender. I don’t think LSU or Florida wants to see them again. The redshirt QB Johnny Football is phenomenal and is being touted for the Heisman already. They should do quite well in the next few years.
There is a lot wrong with the Cowboys, thats for sure. It has to start at the top. Jerry needs to hire a football guy to run the show and step back. Dont bother me when owners are on the side lines. If I owned a team, I would be on the side lines – in the dug out. I ove sports. Cant get me close enough. Its when they intrude that gets me going.
Is his last name really Football?
People have been telling Jones for 15 years to hire a football guy to do drafting, signing of players etc and he is so arrogant he thinks he knows how to judge talent and because he holds the purse strings, he continues to do the same things over and over hoping for a different result. Parcells got a little latitude for selecting players, but couldn’t coach anymore with his three yards and a cloud of dust philosophy. Regarding the A&M quarterback, his last name is Manziel, but his nickname is Johnny Football since he came along so fast and has tore up the SEC this year. If you get a chance to see A&M in a bowl game this year, he is a real treat to watch.
I’ll keep an eye open. Love watching kids playing for the love of the game no matter the sport. Got a A BAll club up the road. Love them to death – playing for peanuts. Hoping for a shot at that biggs. Had a lot of Major League talent come through there.
Isn’t it amazing FFA that professional football players are paid millions of dollars and they can’t run 5 plays without a false start, holding call, illegal formation or personal foul of some kind. You can watch any well coached college team and they run play after play, many plays with no huddle and run 70 or 80 yard drives with no penalties. Professional players work out all year, have mini camps, pre-season games and they still don’t know the plays halfway through the season. It is pathetic and the NFL brand is suffering as a result. I only watch the best teams now and if it is a run a way, I quickly lose interest and flip the channel.
I had no sympathy for either side during the Lock Out. Mills vs Bills.
They actually snuk into my home town durig the negotiations. My wife saw Jones jet fly in right over our house. When word leaked out they were here, Jones was in the local bar socializing, letting people try on his ring, ect… People stated he is just an average Joe when he was out of the office.
This NHL thing is very disturbing to me too. At least they keep the Chi Wolves on tv and we got the Ice Hawks not too far from home.
FFA, Guess what I heard during the noon lunch break. Your great State of Illinois is the proud owner of the most underfunded public pension plan in the USA. It is currently only 45% funded. Do you think there has been some monkey business going on behind the scene administering the plan? I wonder if Obama will bail it out and take it over like the automakers. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him come to the aid of his home state.
I was just reviewing united behavorial health and they have a clause that denies benefits to any services that involve 1. self harm and 2. related to intoxication – Considering these are often factors in mental health, I’d say this is something to point out….
And the rich white republicans have spoke, no healthcare for anyone but themselves. Forget about the 8 year old girl needing a new heart, or the little boy with cancer, or somebodies sick old mother, because all that matters is every bodies money. I will use the most commonest quote on this blog ” I don’t want my money going to a bunch of strangers” Exactly you don’t want a penny of your money going to help anyone but your rich republican self because you don’t care about anyone else but yourself.
It should include covering what insurance companies are trying to not have to pay for saying it’s a pre-existing condition. Someone explain how the insurance companies do not have to pay for blood work because in their eyes is lab work being done for a pre-existing condition. Seriously?
My partner was laid off from a Palmetto Fl Doctors office 1 day after her FMLA expired. The layoff was retailation for reporting her boss for canceling two separate vacations in a row that were scheduled months in advance. She went on Cobra at $500 per month, but when the Doctor Office was sold to a local hospital, she was informed weeks later she could not continue on Cobra. The insurance company did say she could buy separate coverage for $1000 per month. Might good of them. She could not afford that and let coverage lasp for three month. We were recently married and now this same insurance company is saying every thing prior to our marriage will be pre-existing even though they were the original insurace company. If the Insurance companies had ANY morals there would be no need for theses regulations. I say illiminate them all together.
It amazes me how per existing conditions will be covered but insurance companies can’t increase rates. How exactly is this going to be paid for? Insurance companies are not non for profit organizations. So far this law is as vague as it was when they passed it. I know for certain my rates will go up! No surprising with this administration.
Amazing that the US Government thinks they can “manage” anything! I guess that means the government will be “hiring” people to oversee this Monster. Just what we need, more government employees, where do I sign up?
Comment in before the name calling starts!
Don’t be a jerk. (see what I did there??)
“The public has 30-60 days to comment on the proposals before the government finalizes them.” What good will that do? The government hasn’t been paying attention to public comments on this monstrosity up to this point; why would they start paying attention now?
My comment is that there is almost no actual information in the article. Some people like it and some don’t? Seriously? What are the actual rules for pre-existing conditions? I guess I will have to look elsewhere for details.
It is like a kid’s game. They will make it up as they go along, fining you the whole time, using the IRS as their strong-arm tactics base. So, this will close about 8 – 10 health insurers. That will eliminate tons of jobs.
Well, Kids Game, if the companies were run by CEO’s with good intentions then they would find a way around closing….but can we both agree that it is better and easier for the CEO of these companies to just close down to save face and run off with hundreds of millions of dollars rather than lay off a few people and turn the company around. That seems impossible to me since 8 years of the “BUSH” administration have let these companies run themselves and the American people into the ground. If not for Obama and his Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that he sign in 2010, I would either have to pay half of my salary to a private insurance company or for $199/mth my wife can have health insurance. Good insurance. Not that $200 a month but “oh wait” your deductible is $5000 crap. Her deductible is $1500. What Obama has done for us is put an additional $5000 in our pockets to raise our kids with, save money for their college, etc…. I am not a “die hard” Democrat nor do I make over $250,000 a year. I ask myself what would Jesus do in our times. He gave the shirt off his back to someone in need and all Obama is asking is for people making more that $250,000 to give a little more. I’m sorry but if you are a company and you have over 50 employees you would only go bankrupt from supplying a health care option to your employees, if you were greedy and would rather lay people off or close down because you didn’t want to change your way of life. Please comment.
So, Joe Momma, you’re saying that if people who make over $250K a year and prefer to not have to pay for a stranger’s abortions, birth control, healthcare, etc., that that makes them greedy?
Hey. I don’t want to pay for someone elses kids to go to school, either. But I do. I don’t want to pay for unwanted babies. But I do. I don’t want to pay for parks I don’t use. But I do. We all have to pay taxes and some of it goes places we don’t want it to. Get over it.
Libby, I don’t mind paying for someone else’s kids to go to school (as long as they are in my country legally) because they are our future; I would rather pay for an unwanted baby than pay for an abortion since I am pro-life; perhaps you should get out and enjoy one of your local parks since your tax dollars have already paid for them and continue to pay for their maintenance? You tell me to ‘get over it’ as if you have a problem with me…do you?
Yo Joe Mamma,
You clearly feel like you are owed something. Frankly, this is the largest joke of a LAW ever written.
Do not blame Bush or you would not have Medicare Prescription Coverage and that has been financially beneficial to seniors.
Again, the RICH should pay for those who lay on a couch all day and watch Andy Griffith shows. WHY? If you are able bodied and not mentally deficient, GET A JOB LIKE THE REST OF US.
Owners of companies are NOT greedy because they want a profit. They typically risk their entire ASSETS to start and maintain their small businesses. NO one considers that when they take home a small profit.
As well, many NEVER succeed or make a profit.
Why should they be FORCED to provide health insurance?
For me, I am going to pay the penalty each year instead of premiums. When I get sick or get cancer, I will walk my butt into a hospital and tell them Obama says you have to treat me FREE!
Hey AZ, I am a fan of yours for life. I would add that keeping the failure to launch kids on the parents policy to age 26 will not spur them on to get a job and out on their own. Hey, three squares a day, free laundry, room and they can sit on their butts and download apps on their smart phone or tablet and all is good.
They should be forced to pay for employee health insurance because if they don’t then you & I pay for it via increased hospital costs (to make up for lost income).
Owners who shift the cost of health care to the general public may not be greddy, but certainly are irresponsible.
Hot off the press AZ Man. The little nuggets of Obamacare keep surfacing. A new story is out that a charge of $63 per head to every individual and group policy will be assessed to cover the cost of individuals who have pre-existing conditions. Isn’t that wonderful? The Affordable Care Act in action. This is supposed to raise about $25 Billion over three years from individuals and companies with group plans. Is it any wonder that companies are considering dropping their coverage entirely and paying the tax. Every week is a new revelation of how we are getting hosed.
Calm down, Agent. It’s $63 per year or $5.25 per month and is only temporary. It begins in 2014 and continues to decline until it is phased out entirely in 2017.
http://www.inquisitr.com/433349/obamacare-fee-whopping-63-tax-may-hit-workers/#tQe8Bcse54yy21QG.99
I agree. Jesus would have insisted on free health care for all. However, from what we know, Jesus spent his adult life wandering from place to place giving very inspiratoinal speeches. While I am a great admirer of his words and deeds, the fact is he did not create revenue. It is the people that do create wealth who have the money to pay the taxes which go in to actually building the hospital, buying the MRI machine, paying for the medications, hiring the nurses and doctors, and on and on.
I am reminded of another well-know individual who wanders from place to place giving speeches, albeit the wandering is done in a nicely equipped 747 – no sandals being worn out by this individual. The man in question also has never created a dollar’s worth of wealth. He, too, expects others to fund the actual brick and mortar work, not to mention a large number of new employees to oversee the redistribution of wealth (and that nice airplane.)
Look J. Mamma, we may all wish we could provide for ALL of the needs of those who have less. We cannot. But the truth is, this nation is very generous, and it is the wealth of capitalism that has permited that level of generosity. While I would not want to be needy in the U.S., I would certainly not want to be in need in Haiti.
Well said Mr. Truman, well said.
I do not mind paying my part for medicaid treatment for those in need and can’t provide for themselves. I do mind paying for those that sit on their butts all day watching TV and waiting on their government check. The government is making those people lazy. There is no incentive for them to do anything in life because the unemployment benefits exceed what they can earn in the work force. We have got to cut down on those benefits to make people get back to work.
ALSO I agree with those of you that say we should not be forced to pay for abortions. That is not a sickness or an accident. They should be forced to have the child and then let it be adopted. I get sick thinking of all the aborted children that would have been wonderful leaders in our community. It’s very sad to think those aborted children have NO representation. TO think that they only think about the “health of the woman” is ridiculous. Both of them should be forced to pay for the healthcare of the child while in the mothers stomach. This “convenience” thing has got to stop. It’s ruining our country as are the liberal Democrats.
I wonder exactly what our deductibles will be when all is said and done and in place? Mine right now is $7000. 5K with an additional 2K in co-insurnace. And I wonder exactly what subsidised plan I’ll be on now since my boss has informed me that my Humana plan, which is coming up for renewal this year in October will be since I had breast cancer last year, will probaly go up by 50%. Less money less coveage? Is that how it’s going to play out? I’ll bet it that this is exactly how it’s going to play out. You’ll get what you can pay for. All of us that are being FORCED on these plans should include EVERYONE who lives in the USA and that includes all the goverment employees who are expempt. WE pay for their insurnace it’s not the other way around. They all make me sick no matter what side of the isle they’re on.
YEA!
Libby, since when is anything temporary when it comes to taxes or government charges? This is over and above all the other taxes built into this multi headed monster starting 1-1-13. Keep on drinking that Koolaid Libby. You will not win over many of us on this blog.
I know I won’t. We just need one voice of reason, though, and I volunteered for the job. Don’t you get tired jumping up and down all day, stomping your feet, and screaming at the top of your lungs? It makes me tired just watching the show.
Libby, just wondering what you really do in the insurance world; it seems you dont understand the mathematical concepts of statistics, actuarial studies, nor economics for that matter. We are stomping our feet and jumping up and down because logic and common sense have been COMPLETELY IGNORED by the Federal Government, King Obama, and all the idiots that voted for him. To quote from the article in USA Today posted by yoyowordup…
“Prohibit insurers from using claims history…to increase premiums”…UM, REALLY????? That is exactly what is used to set rates and premiums with ANY AND ALL INSURANCE.
AND YOU WONDER WHY WE ARE ALL FREAKING OUT???? HOW IN THE HELL ARE WE PAYING FOR THIS IF THE PREMIUM ISNT COMMENSURATE WITH THE RISK???
Who’s jumping up and down? All I am doing is pointing out the error of your beliefs and bringing you factual information that you choose to ignore. The country has just about had it with Progressive Liberalism and all the problems it has brought on. Let the fiscal cliff happen and we will really see an outcry. Time for tar, feathers and rails for the sorry politicians who keep doing all these stupid things to our detriment.
Obviously you are mistaken, Agent, as evidenced by the recent election. Do I need to remind you who won and by what margin?
I’m looking at the bright side – maybe I’ll die soon enough so that all of this won’t matter.
More details: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/20/health-care-regulations/1702431/
The utter destruction of our healthcare system commences……
The old adage: “if it’s not broken, why fix it” does not apply here. It’s broken. It needs to be fixed. I have medical insurance through work for which I also contribute $150 a month. However, if I was laid off, I could not afford the full premium.
Center, this law is the biggest job killer ever passed into law. You had better hope you don’t get laid off and have to fend for yourself or that your employer doesn’t drop the Group Health plan because of affordability/compliance issues. This is happening all over the country as more and more businesses have seen the handwriting on the wall and are making other plans in order to stay in business.
Of course Mr. Agent doesn’t like it since it will affect his livlihood which is of course unfortunate. However, I suspect that many millions of people’s lives will now be saved in the future since everyone will have access to our health care system.
So my question to Mr. Agent is this: Is your job more important than the lives that will now be saved?
The answer seems easy to me.
Unfortunately, it’s that easy for him, too. His answer is Yes.
Well Center, Our good Gov’t raised the poverty level to 133% in this so called Affordable Care Act, so if you are laid off you can always apply for Medicaid.
$150 @ Month??? BOO HOOO. Cry that river somewhere else.
One of the major reasons why its broke it due to the Law Suites. Get tort under controll and then work the rest of whats wrong including Fraud.
The utter destrcution of a broken system, that is. And, not exactly tearing it down and starting over. Using the system we already have, so, an utter tenants improvements and betterments of the healthcare system.
“Change is like a dragon. You can ignore it, which is futile; you can fight it, but you will lose; or you can ride it.”
People said the same thing about social security and medicare when they were introduced, too. And people were screaming when there was talk of ending either program. This, too, is necessary for our country to join the ranks of the civilized. Relax, educate yourselves, and resign yourself to the fact that healthcare for all is here to stay and it’s a GOOD THING.
Of course, the federal government has bankrupted Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Why not just destroy the remainder of the system?
Please keep a few things in mind:
1. Employer-provided insurance was brought about by the leftists and democrat party controlling income and wages, back in the 30’s. Since wages were frozen, employers had to find a way to sweeten the pot to gain employees in a competitive market.
2. Many state governments, in a sickening effort to buy votes and buyoff constituencies, then larded up coverage requirements (mandating specific co-pay scales, mandating all pay into pregnancy coverage, mandating chiropractic, etc.), politicizing medicine. This has added to the skyrocketing costs which have come about the past 20 years.
3. Medicare and Medicaid have been paid for by private insurance for decades, as the greedy politicians trying to buy votes, attempted to make themselves look like Santa Claus. The feds kept cutting reimbursement rates, and the hospitals simply jacked up rates for the rest of us. That is what is known as a stealth tax. Essentially, it has been a big lie for generations now. The politicians have lied and lied, and those of us working to pay for benefits have been the suckers (as are the 53% of us who pay income taxes). As things go, the reason this is all coming to a head and Obamacare was pushed so hard by the leftists is to keep the big lie going. Essentially, the realized they had run out of other people’s money to scam, at least indirectly.
Indeed the US medical system is a mess. However, the primary reason it is a mess has to do with leftist liars who have been trying to pretend there is such a thing as a free lunch. Oh, and the illiterate fools who vote for them.
Anyone who believes more federal government is the answer for a problem created by leftist big government to begin with, either has a screw loose, lacks basic economics education, or is simply a person with their hand out, with no regard to those paying for th ehandouts (read: greedy).
AMEN!
Sounds good to me “IF” everyone participates, including our fine President, esteemed members of Congress and every other government, state and city employees. Everyone rides in the same boat.
Better remain healthy. There will be far fewer good jobs, far fewer physicians and surgeons, far higher premiums and taxes, far higher energy costs, inflation will be rampant. More people will die because of this new system. More oppression from government, less freedoms. Very sad.
I challenge you to name 3 freedoms this law will deny you.
You won’t get an answer, Steve.
Here are several bullet points for you, Steve. This is what you lefties want?
*Seniors
Obamacare cuts so deeply into Medicare Advantage that half of seniors now covered will lose their coverage (Do you have elderly parents, Steve?). Additionally, it makes health care access more costly and difficult by cutting Medicare and taxing drug companies and medical device makers.
*Families
Obamacare designates $125 million a year for school health centers which could deny parents knowledge about the care their children receive. (How’s THAT for a freedom that is lost, Steve?) The health law even includes a program targeting teen pregnancy that neglects to incorporate a requirement to reduce abortions.
(Are you a parent of a daughter, Steve?)
*Doctors
Obamacare adds 18 million people to Medicaid, which on average reimburses doctors only 56 percent of the market rate for medical procedures. With more regulation and less reimbursement under Obamacare, 66 percent of doctors are considering no longer accepting patients covered by government health programs.
*Uninsured Americans
Obamacare will either enroll more people in Medicaid or in a health plan the government chooses, but millions will still remain uninsured and dependent on overcrowded emergency rooms for routine care.
*Businesses
Obamacare burdens businesses with $52 billion in new taxes by mandating they provide health insurance for their employees and imposing other new regulations. These new direct and indirect costs will inhibit business growth and success.
(Do you own your own business, Steve?)
*America’s future
Obamacare imposes half a trillion dollars in new taxes, many of which will hit the middle class, and adds $500 billion to the deficit over the next 10 years and $1.5 trillion in the decade following—a burden for the next generation of taxpayers.
(Do you have children who will be amongst this next generation of taxpayers, Steve?)
Wake up and smell the coffee…These points barely scratch the surface of the monstrosity that has been put upon us all.
*Seniors
“There is considerable confusion about what the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (or ACA) of 2010 did with respect to Medicare Advantage. As part of a broad set of reforms aimed to control the cost of Medicare, the ACA eliminated subsidies which the federal government first used to establish the Medicare Advantage program. As of 2008, the federal government spent 12 percent more on Medicare Advantage than it did for comparable care under traditional Medicare. These subsidies (which added an additional $14 billion to the Medicare program last year alone) will gradually be reduced until payments to Medicare Advantage are in line with the cost of traditional Medicare.” Same coverage – less government subsidy. Thought that would make you righties happy.
*Families
“President Obama’s health care law is helping keep kids healthy and as a mother, I know how important a child’s health is to how they do in school. Whether establishing a new site or upgrading an existing facility, the availability of funding for school-based health centers that we’re announcing today will help kids more easily get the health services they need to thrive. The goal is to keep our children healthy so they can learn, grow and prosper.” As a mother, I would think you’d like that. And don’t get your panties in a twist, they are NOT targeting pregnant teens.
*Doctors
Starting Jan. 1, Florida will start paying Medicaid primary care doctors at new, higher rates required by the federal Affordable Care Act, a state spokeswoman said Tuesday.
*Uninsured Americans
That number includes illegal aliens. Are you saying you would like to provide them coverage, as well? “Researchers have found that immigrants tend to use the health care system less than legal residents. Illegal immigrants, in particular, tend to avoid using the health care system until they have to, favoring home remedies first or making cash payments to providers when they need care.” Besides, legal uninsured Americans using the ER should be easy to track down come tax time.
I could go on, but I have to work. Have a great day, CT!!
GFY, Libby!!
That’s all you have to say? What’s the matter, CT? Can’t handle the facts? Have a great day! :-)
P.S. You don’t sound much like a nice young lady with that mouth.
OMG..Now you’re my MOTHER?? I don’t effing think so. You really are pathetic.
Dig a little deeper, CT. You’re really making yourself look bad now. I love it!
And if I WAS your mother, I’d wash your mouth out with soap!
GFY…I thought you meant Good for you…lol…how shameful of you CT.
Welcome to the party, Nebraskan.
I see everal people dislike Libby’s silly comments as much as I do. Does my heart good to read thru a blog and see her comments removed!
I agree Lou. All one has to do is look at all the businesses all across the country who are laying off people, dropping their Group Health benefits to throw the employees into the exchanges. They didn’t want to do this, but Obamacare forced them to. It is an affordability and compliance issue. Gee, I wonder why Congress and the administration didn’t make themselves available to go into Obamacare for their coverage. I wonder why 2,000+ businesses and unions got a waiver from it. Planet & Libby continue to trumpet the merits of this bill, but something is rotten in Denmark and this law stinks to high heaven.
So….was Romney’s Plan the answer?
All I know about Romneys plan was to scrap OBama Care. Yes, that would have been the perfect solution to this argument.
Which Romney? And, did you really believe anything that guy said after flip-flopping on literally every single issue? How do you even know who this guy is? I guess he double-downed on the 47% comment, so we can say he is a guy who believes the bottom 47% are takers. Other than that, he should be wearing The Riddler’s clothes, because dude is just a big question mark.
Any politician that is not from IL is more believable then one that is from IL.
Quinn want to hold a special election in March at a cost to tax payors of $5M+. He could hold off till April when the local muni elections are held and save the tax payor millions. I hope JR loses his pension. I wish there was some way to jam the bill down JR’s throat or at least the knuckle heads that voted for him. Maybe put an assessment down to them morons??? They voted him in knowing full well he was off his rocker, not at work for at least 6 months and under 2 federal criminal investigations. He had enough money to buy the senate seat. He should pony up for this special election.
And what is with the Dems higher ups letting him on the balot knowing all this??? And the other guy that got elected after being busted taking a bribe and getting kicked out of the IL house?
As you can see Cap, I am pretty down on any politician from Illinois. Its not a matter of who is lying, its a matter of who is lying the most. Obama is from IL. Make matters worse – Cook County – the most corrupt county in the most corrupt state.
I tend to believe that even the president now believes a little more that Romney’s plan WAS the answer. He will implement many of Romney’s key plans, then in his usually slime ball way, take credit for them.
..”usual slime ball way”….
What plan? He never presented a “plan.” Unless you are counting his 5-point plan. That was a joke.
CT, The news reported that the President is inviting Romney to lunch at the White House to get ideas on how to create jobs since he has no clue how to do it himself. This is after he villified Romney during the campaign as a big job killer and shipper of jobs offshore etc. Perhaps he will nominate Romney as his new Secretary of Business and create yet another bureaucracy. What happened to the Secretary of Commerce? Oh, that’s right, they still need to be there as well so they can spend our money doing nothing to help business. We need to expand EPA so they can shut down some more mines and penalize energy some more.
Lou, even though you painted a bleak picture for the country, I agree with your conclusions and a lot of others did as well judging from your Likes. It is a very sad time for America and I think it will get worse starting in January when the next big round of tax hikes hit through Obamacare and Income Taxes. We had better batten down the hatches because it will be a rough ride. As bad as Carter was, we will see worse from this guy.
Re: “The utter destruction of our healthcare system commences…” Over 30,000,000 Americans have had NO healthcare system.
Some facts:
the Census’s CPS ASEC report shows that the number of uninsured Americans is 32 million. It also shows that almost half of these 32 million make more money than most Americans. And Gallup shows that nearly 20 million of these 32 million say they are already happy with their health care. That leaves something on the order of 12 million Americans who are uninsured and unhappy with their health care — less than 5 percent of the citizenry.
The easiest way to help these less-than-5 percent of Americans is to fix the unfairness in the federal tax code, which forces most people who don’t get health insurance through their employer to try to buy it with post-tax dollars, while the vast majority of Americans buy it with pre-tax dollars (usually through their employer).
Gallop Shows? haha What did their polling show in the election?? haha. Either way what happened to those 16 million who can afford it and then something terrible happened then guess who covers them?? THE TAX PAYERS!
That’s why they’re happy with their healthcare, which is no healthcare. They’re going to have to start paying for it now.
How many of those 30,000,000 Americans have worked all of their adult lives and have EARNED it? Sorry, but I don’t feel that it is my obligation to pay for someone’s birth control, among other things. I realize that there are certain medical necessities that all are entitled to, but when it comes down to having to pay for birth control, abortions, etc., it shouldn’t be mandatory that we citizens have to pay for it. Whatever happened to separation of Church/government?!
What does birth control have to do with separation of Church and State?
Do you really need to ask that, Libby? Or, are you just playing dumb?
I am quite serious. The government is not telling the church what to do. They are exempt from Obamacare as a religious institution. Are you really against birth control or are you just on another rant about Obama?
Libby, I hope this analogy helps you understand the problem with the birth control exemption. Imagine that you ordered a white wedding dress and they delivered a black one instead. When you complain the company says, “Well we’re not going to give you a white dress. Instead, we just won’t charge you for the black dye we put on the dress. You still have to pay for the dress, by the way.”
Personally, it’s not a big issue for me but when the so called “exemption” was announced it was glaringly obvious to me that it didn’t address the church’s real problem, which was that plans excluding birth control would no longer be available. Whether you agree or disagree with the church’s position, I find it frightening how many people think making the birth control free actually solved the church’s problem. If anything, it probably ticked them off even more–the same way someone would feel in my dress analogy.
First of all, the birth control is not free. You still have to pay insurance premiums and any co-pay/deductible that applies.
Second of all, the church is exempt from Obamacare and doesn’t have to follow it.
Period.
you really have your head in the sand; the government isnt telling the church what to do? Bo-bama care mandates that Catholic hospitals have to provide the morning after pill even though its against their religious beliefs…oh, O-K, Libby, i believe you – that isnt the government telling religious institutions what to do…
Oh, and Libby, I do have a bridge i would like to sell you and it’s endorsed by Bo-bama…since you buy everything else he sells, figure you’ll give me whatever i ask for the bridge….
Your rantings are boring me, Geek.
great comeback Libby…
What? Sorry. I dozed off there.
You shouldn’t have to pay for it Stella…America should join nearly the rest of the world and make it available over the counter. And I shouldn’t have to pay for Cialis and Viagra. And if you want separation of Church and State…tell the Church to stop telling the State what to do.
You have that backwards, Nebraskan. The GOVERNMENT is cramming the birth control issue down the CHURCH’s throat. And, America will join the rest of the world soon enough. Once this Obamacare fiasco is in full swing, we will be just as broke as Greece and Italy and all the rest of the world.
How is the government cramming it down their throat? They are exempt from Obamacare.
Libby–they may be exempt from Obamacare themselves, but they still have to offer healthcare to the people whom they employ and this includes birth control. Can you see the point now??
Stella, you are wasting your time and breath with Libby. As I understand it, if you are one of the 2,000+ companies and unions who have received a waiver, you are exempt from compliance with Obamacare. If not, your plan must fit the model and you must provide coverage or you drop Group Health and pay the fines they will impose. Many companies have already chosen to drop coverage and pay fines because the coverage and compliance issues are so onerous. The liberal crowd expects companies to just eat the additional cost, but many just can’t do it since their profit margin is so thin already. Employees will just have to go the exchange route and hope they can get something they can afford.
Thank you for the clarification, Agent. And yes–I am beginning to see from Libby’s posts that she is pretty much one sided..
And his aren’t?
So far, I haven’t seen that Agent is one sided…states both sides, decides which one he believes in and goes with it. Seems like if he (or anyone else on these blogs) doesn’t agree with your point of view, then that makes him the enemy–but he’s not.
You obviously haven’t been reading for very long. Agent is very vocal about his dislike for what he calls “Progressive, liberal, socialists.” And he lumps all Democrats into that label. You don’t think that’s one-sided?
No one on this site is my enemy. I just disagree with their politics. And the majority of Americans agree with me.
“Meanwhile, the administration is moving ahead to complete rule making to ensure timely implementation.”
I thought that the rules were in the 2,500 page law that was passed. This statement implies that they are making up the rules as they go. Nancy Pelosi wasn’t kidding when she said, “You will have to pass it to see what is in it.”
I’ve been selling Health insurance for 18 years now. As of today I still don’t know if myself or the other 500K insurance agents will be paid for selling Obama care. I have been sitting on pins and needles since this piece of legislation was passed. I waited and prayed for a clear answer from the Court, that came and went. Hoped for some change in our current POTUS, that did not happen. SO here I sit waiting to see if myself and my 43 Employees will be on Unemployment!
Hey 1Termlimits, how about that new $63 per head charge coming out of Obamacare to pay for all those PreX people coverage? That is over and above all the new taxes going in on 1-1-13. That should make all your Individual & Group accounts real happy.
Yes Stella, Libby takes one sided to a new level. I will say one thing about her, she is consistent. You will always get a Progressive retort from her trying to justify her position. It gets ugly between her and CT since they can’t stand each other to start with. It would be interesting to see them in one of those cage fights. We could sell out the arena with agents and company people eager to see that one.
Hey Agent! I just read this post…too funny! I’ll start training tonight!!!
Stella, Libby doesn’t care for Conservatives or their solutions to the mess Progressives/ Liberals/Socialists have made in this country in the past 20+ years. Her guy thinks the private sector is doing “just fine”. All these redistribution policies are great if they tear down Businessmen who actually create jobs and try to make a profit in an increasingly difficult environment. They have to level the playing field until everyone is equally poor. Just wait until she gets her tax bill next year and we will see if she still is singing the same tune.
Please speak for yourself and not me, Agent. You have no idea what I do or don’t care for.
Libby, I have had a couple of years, seen several hundred opinion posts from you on numerous articles and I think I have you pegged pretty well. Your words shout Progressive Liberal big government solutions to the nations problems. You admitted that Economics was not your strong suit and it shows with every post you make about the economy and what is going on with the fiscal cliff fast approaching. Your side thinks it is no big deal that the country has trillion + dollar deficits every year, is facing another credit downgrade and all that is being proposed is to increase our taxes again. Instead of creating tax payers, we are creating tax takers in this country. They want to double down and “hope” for a different result. What an “imbecilic” solution.
I’ve had a few years, too, Agent. And I know enough not to judge someone you don’t know. You have no idea what I think or do not think about fiscal issues. My liberal leanings are social, not fiscal. And this “your side” and “my side” shit is what’s tearing this country apart. You’d like to think you’re so smart and know what’s best for the country, when you are one of the very reasons it is going to hell as fast as it can. You are the one unwilling to reach across the aisle and have a considerate conversation. Instead you lump people into either for you or against you. It’s childish and not very productive.
So, again. Speak for yourself and don’t dare to speak for me.
Libby, You are what your opinions espouse. Everyone on this site knows exactly where you come from on issues. You think anyone from the Conservative side rant and are extremists. Numerous Conservatives on this site have tried talking sense to you and point out the error of your views. This country is not going to hell because of Conservative policies, but Progressive Liberal policies espoused by your leader and his minions. Raising taxes on the American people while not cutting government spending is the latest example. You are like a lemming willing to jump into the abyss without a thought of what is at the bottom. By the way, everytime anyone from the right reaches across the aisle, it has resulted in more big government spending since the Progressive Left never compromises their position. It is always their way or the highway and the folks get hosed everytime.
You do rant, Agent. And you are extreme. I am not a lemming. I, too, am concerned about the financial crises in America. What I do not believe in is trickle-down economics. It doesn’t work. And for every negative thing you say about Obama or other Communist, Socialist, Liberals, I can say the same about someone from your party. That is all I try to do on this site. Is point out there are 2 sides to every story and the truth lies somewhere in the middle. For that I am cursed at, insulted, and censored.
I will repeat, for the last time, you do not know me. If you would like to speak for yourself, that is fine. Do not speak for me. Your version of my views is so off the mark, it makes you look stupid.
And, now they want to take control of the debt ceiling away from Congress so they can control it themselves…and another stimulus!! These people are NUTS!!!! LIBBY AND ALL YOU OTHER LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES ON THIS BLOG—PLEASE WAKE UP TO THE DAMAGE THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING TO OUR COUNTRY! What is it going to take???
Approximately 1,400,000 Iraq and Afghanisan veterans are claiming disabilities (NY Times) with a quarter of those claiming PTSD. If anything makes war obsolete it will be the medical care cost of the military. Taking that one step farther in expanding mental health care, substance abuse and rehabilitation coverage under the Affordable Health Care Act, to the civilian population, living will soon be unaffordable and obsolete. It’s affecting my mental health just to think about it.
Libby, If I rant, it is because I am a Constitutional Republic guy that believes we had the best country in the world until Progressive Socialists got their hooks into it and have systematically dismantled everything good about our government and economy. I would much rather have as you call it Trickle down Economics with job creators than Trickle up Poverty that your leaders want. Socialism is very good at spending other peoples money and for everyone to look forward to being equally poor is not a prospect I want for myself, kids and grandkids.
Agent, nobody wants Trickle Up Poverty. To make such a statement is why I call you extreme. It’s ridiculous that anyone would want that. We disagree on the reasons we are all looking forward to being equally poor. I blame the greedy Wall Streeters and Big Businesses. They continue to get rich off the backs of the American people and the income disparagy keeps getting bigger. I grew up in the 60’s, so was raised with the same values you have. Hard work and doing the right thing will get you a home, car, and 2.5 children. But times have changed and that is no longer the norm. We have big urban sprawl that has created many problems that didn’t exist back then. Crime, drugs, povery, teen pregnancy. This was not caused by Democrats. It is a social issue we are all responsible to address as Americans. Unfortunately, that sometimes means we have to give a hand up to someone to help them overcome. That is what a Christian society does. How are we so different?
Libby, Please open your eyes for once. Trickle up Poverty is the result of pillaging the business community with higher taxes, forcing them to accept an unaffordable healthcare bill with all the taxes built into it and forcing them to lay off good employees or go out of business. Did the Wall Street Bankers and the Warren Buffets of the world have a role in the country’s demise? Sure, and they are only a fraction of the business community. The greater blame should go to our politicians on both sides of the aisle who have taken the special interest money and pass laws that are so damaging to us, the business community. The taxes being talked about by our “leaders” directly affect you and I and millions of others. The so called Middle Class will shortly be in the poverty class. That is why I call it Tricle up Poverty. There is no chance this country will improve, have job creation with the policies being followed. Look for a major decline shortly after the first of the year.
For America’s sake, I hope you are wrong. I think I’ve said many times there is enough blame to go around. When you say it’s politicians on both sides of the aisle, I will agree with you. It’s when you attack only one side that I will disagree.
Disagreeing with a sweeping statement from you, does not mean I give carte blanche approval of what’s going on. I am only trying to point out to you that you can not point the finger in just one direction. That’s too simplistic and one-sided.
People confuse my taking issue with your sweeping statements with me giving my approval of what’s going on in Washington. That is not the case.
Yes, we should turn our backs on those with mental handicaps and disabilities (which includes mental retardation) as well as those with deadly addictions. Afterall, that’s what Jesus would do and that’s what is meant in The Declaration of Independence by, “life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.” It’s about doing the right thing. How can we be the only First World nation that doesn’t understand that?
CP I’ll bet your comprehensive reading scores in school were off the charts (lower end of course).
Maybe we should quit going to war Original. That would stop all the PTSD right there.
OB – sorry, I assumed your rant was meaning we shouldn’t be funding those healthcare improvements. You clearly aren’t saying you are in favor of the “civilian population” having access to this type of care.
PLEASE!!!! Who pays for all this Captain?? A good portion of the SLUGS that love to suck the welfare tit?? Not them—-they’re too busy buying cell phones, taking and dealing drugs, getting tattos and piercings, drinking, not working and expecting the rest of us that work for a living to take care of them!! What about all the illegal aliens that are in this country sucking the welfare tit?? Get rid of all these SLUGS as well and then maybe we can use our tax dollars to do what Jesus would do Wake up my boy!! Nothing is free!!
It’s my understanding that undocumented workers are a net positive when it comes to the social welfare system. They pay taxes (sales, payroll, SS, Medicare, etc.) and because they are undocumented, they never receive retirement benefits (e.g. SS & Medicare) because they can’t, they’re undocumented.
Alspo, as we’ve seen in states like Alabama (and others) which have enacted tougher immigration enforcement laws, farmers are unable to harvest their crops due to a lack of migrant farm workers.
If we want to stimulate our economy and help grow our way out of this recession, we should stop demonizing those workers who are some of the hardest working people in our country. They engage in some of the most difficult and back breaking jobs, not to mention the low wages they receive and, in some cases the deplorable and often dangerous working conditions that they must endure in order to feed their families.
Scapegoating is easy. Crafting solutions is hard.
Well, said, JJB. I know many immigrants that are hard working, contributors to society. Rarely to I see them sitting at home with “their hand out.” They are the maids, and the laborers, the lawn guys, the manure spreaders, and the dishwashers. They work hard for very little money, but they support their families and they DON’T ask for hand-outs.
“the manure spreaders”.
Did not know that job existed any more. HMMMM.
That’s because you would never consider doing such a job. But they will.
I put my time in shoveling barns, bailing hay, castorating cows and pigs. I was operating every piece of farm equipment except for a combine before I was 15. I know what its like to roll up the sleeves and put in a hard day labor just for a pat on the back.
And a lot of these hard working folks also send most of their money back to Mexico to support their families in Mexico not here in the USA. How is that helping our economy?
If they were all legal, they would pay taxes. That’s how that’s good for the USA.
But then we go full circle with their Work Comp…they get injured on the job, and are immediately fired….go to the hospital and get all of the care they need and never pay a dime. What about that problem?
Not all immigrants are illegal. But if employers are not doing their due diligence with the I-9 documentation, they deserve to be stuck with the losses.
Libby, you are missing my point. A lot of employers hire people illegally. And as soon as they file a Work Comp claim, said employee is fired, never having paid a dime into the system. Who do you think pays the bill when the now unemployed illegal goes to the hospital? The companies are not stuck with the losses, the tax payers are.
And I’m not talking about people here legally, that’s a moot point to what I am speaking of. There are a lot of people working all over the country for cash. And the companies NEVER get punished. INS does a raid, sends the illegal immigrants back to their respective countries and the company hires the next batch of illegals.
Don’t know what state you’re from (Nebraska, I assume?) But even illegal aliens are entitled to WC benefits if they are hurt on the job. The employer ends up paying the ultimate price in premiums and increased experience mod. And because they are illegal, they can not return to work legally, so continue to be eligible for WC disability benefits as long as they are disabled. It is a Catch-22, but it’s the employer that bears the burden, not the taxpayers.
FFA, From the farm owners I know, they don’t hire labor to spread manure manually. All of this is done by equipment now. Most labor is with picking the crops such as fruits and vegetables that would be damaged using equipment. Libby obviously used the wrong example once again. From your experience in your youth, it is obvious you learned the work ethic, something the current crop of youth do not experience. They are mostly couch potatos whose hardest work is to download an app or text friends on their smart phones. I, too learned the work ethic getting up at 3:00 in the morning to throw my paper route at age 13 and always had a job of some kind since my family didn’t have 2 nickels to rub together.
Agent, I was referring to landscaping not farming. So I did not use a “wrong” analagy “once again.” You are the one that gets your facts so screwed up that we need a full-time fact-checker for your posts.
Illegal aliens get a lot more free benefits than one would think and the items mentioned above are not complete. I’m all for helping people, however, at what cost?? Illegal Aliens (most, but not all) get a lot of benefits that we as taxpayers give them. Why should my tax dollars go to pay any benefits for children of Illegal Aliens that are getting such benefits simply because their kids are born in the USA? What a nice free ride that is!! I’m sure that if I go to Mexico, Central or South America, they will do the same for me? NOT!!!!!!!!
Last I checked, if you’re born in the U.S. you are a U.S. citizen. That’s how it worked with my ancestors. How about yours?
And just what, specifically, are all these benefits you think illegals are getting in this country? Name them. I dare you.
Yeah, screw those kids who purposely had their parents come over here before they were born. Totally their fault and they shouldn’t receive anything from us, even though since they were born here they are American citizens! Hell, let those infants starve and spread disease, too. That’ll show ’em! Stupid, innocent, American baby citizens.
Libby—-Please call your local Social Worker and they can give you the complete rundown insofar as what benefits an illegal alien and their family is entitled to receive. ENTITLED!!!!!!!! ONLY AT OUR EXPENSE!!!!!!!!
I knew you couldn’t name any.
That’s not what the right to life means in the Declaration. It means nobody has the moral authority to take your life from you. Healthcare isn’t an unalienable right, it’s a service performed by another human being. A service can’t be an unalienable right because that would require violating the liberty of the person providing the service.
I’m not saying doctors shouldn’t treat people, I’m just saying you’re interpretation of the Declaration is wrong.
Libby, You tend to stick with the Huffington Post talking points and your argument always blames greedy Wall Street Bankers and Big Business for the trouble the country is in without a whiff of blame to our elected Progressive Democrats and RINO’s. They are the ones who have made it possible for the fat cats to do what they have done. We, as small business people are getting hosed and we react to it by pulling in our horns and laying off people in order to stay in business. Call me an extremist if you like, but I speak the truth and I am out in the trenches every day with my customers. Listen to FFA who has lost a number of accounts who have just shut down recently. That is reality and you should wake up soon and rethink your opinions of what is going on.
You blame Democrats and RINO’s, like no-one in Congress is a Conservative. They are and they have also caused alot of the mess we’re in. I know about people getting laid off. I was one of them in 2008 when Mr. Bush was in office. I was out of work for 9 months and took a job paying 2/3 what I was making before. I see clients that have downsized or gone out of business, too. I know what is going on. I just don’t agree that it was caused entirely by Progressive Democrats. That is where we disagree. Again, there are plenty of people to “blame” for this mess.
Libby, Conservatives did not and are not causing the problems we are experiencing. They were voting against the big spending spree this government has been on in the past 20+ years. They were outnumbered so were powerless to stop passage of this very bad legislation. I see you fell back into blaming Bush for being laid off. Guess who was in charge in Congress in 08. You got it. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Bush made many mistakes and most of them had to do with not vetoing the trash coming from her and Dirty Harry. Bush was a closet RINO and I do blame him for not having a spine and vetoing what got us into the mess we have now. Make no mistake, liberal Progressives are the root cause of the financial disaster of this country and it promises to get only worse.
I wasn’t blaming Bush, I was just pointing out that I lost my job way before Obama was elected.
Libby, the inference was clear to me. You could have just said that you were laid off in 2008, but you just had to interject that Bush was in office. Conservatives weren’t responsible for you getting laid off either. They are in the business of creating jobs by lowering taxes and burdensome regulations that help employers hire and maintain their work force. You are going to see company after company laying off employees in the coming months. We are not creating tax payers, just tax takers in this current environment.
Obamacare-typical third world system, for those who have lived through it already, it is sad to see it coming to “America”.
People said the same thing about social security and medicare when they were introduced, too. And people were screaming when there was talk of ending either program???? You are kidding right?
We all know these programs are going bankrupt as they have not really been funded properly. The government does a bad job handling our money and running programs. They will do a poor job on this too. I agree something needed to be done, but most polls still show more than half of us don’t think this was the right course of action. We are however stuck with it. We just need to find ways to minimize its impact. Having spent a lot of time in foreign countries I would suggest most of them could learn from us what is civilized. I don’t want to turn into France or Greece but that is where we are being taken by the current administration.
We are not France or Greece by any stretch of the imagination. And yes, this will certainly need to be tweaked. But I don’t believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It’s taken too long to finally get something through Congress and we need to make the best of it.
And SSD and Medicare are in financial disarray, but I bet you’ll be in line to get yours when the time comes. I know I will.
See how Your state’s Health Insurance Monopolies & Cartels score. Scroll down chart… In Virginia for example Anthem has 74% of the individual market. Does VA have Anti-Trust Laws?
http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemapreport.jsp?rep=101&cat=7
Why should the US try to be like the other “First World” nations? That would be like Duke or Kentucky basketball asking Prairie View A&M how to win basketball games. This country was originally started and continues to be the place people immigrate to, to get away from other nations, including those First World ones….
That biggest, baddest, best ideology is exactly what is wrong with this country. We need to forge bridges with the rest of the world, not build walls. Our insatiable need to be the Number 1 Superpower is what is pushing us further and further into becoming just like Rome. And we all know what happened to there. It imploded on itself. We do not need world dominance. We need world respect and peace.
I am not talking about building walls, I am talking about sticking to the founding principles that are the reason for the US becoming #1. There was no insatiable need to be first, it happened quicker than any time in history because of the principles of limited government and liberty. As for why Rome fell:
The Fall of the Empire was a gradual process. The Romans did not wake up one day to find their Empire gone!
By AD369 the Empire was beginning to crumble for the following reasons:
The Government was running out of money.
The people had to pay very high taxes – up to a third of their money.
The rich were given grants of money and land which made them richer while the poor got poorer.
There was not enough money to pay for the army.
Barbarians from Germany called vandals were conquering parts of the Empire and there were not enough soldiers to fight back.
Although the outer edges of the Empire were well defended, there was no defence with in the Empire. This meant that once barbarians had broken through there was nothing to stop them marching to Rome.
The Roman network of roads allowed invaders an easy route to Rome.
No one had decided on a good way to choose an Emperor,. This meant that any general could march into Rome, kill the Emperor and make himself the next Emperor. In 73 years there were 23 Emperors and 20 of them were murdered.
I agree with you Dave. There is a very old, but wise saying that goes: Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. There are a lot of parallels with what happened to Rome and what is going on with this country. Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Our leaders are fiddling while this country is sliding into an abyss of failure. People from all over the world have immigrated to this country (legally)because this country was a shining beacon of freedom and opportunity to better themselves. They didn’t like dictators or repressive governments taxing them to death and controlling every aspect of their lives. Our founding fathers were wise to set up a limited government with checks and balances. In the past 40 years of both Democratic and Republican administrations and Congresses, our freedoms have been gradually stripped away and now look what we have. If this trend is not reversed soon, we will not recognize this country in a few short years. My guess is we will look more like Venezuela than the USA.
You just made my case, Dave.
Gee, Libby. You should be Obama’s speech writer.
Finally, a compliment out of CT.
Unwind you panties, Libby. No compliment was intended.
Guess you don’t understand the art of sarcasm. Only spiteful VITRIOLE. Have a nice day! :-)
Gee. I’d say your response was quite vitriolic, Libby. It does kind of go both ways.
No vitriole from me, chicky. Only sunshine and rainbows. Oh! Did I say rainbows. How gay of me. Sunshine and butterflys.
You drive a Prius, don’tcha Libby….
Beemer, baby.
Oh, suuuuuuuure you do. And, I drive a Maybach.
2006 325ci. Almost time for an upgrade.
Libby says: ….”We need world respect and peace.”
It sounds great, doesn’t it? Well..time to wake up because terrorists will never respect us (too effing bad for them), and there will never be peace in the true sense of the word. You may look out your bedroom window onto your beautiful back yard and see it for it’s peaceful beauty, but out there in the world? There is no peace because the people who won’t be peaceful don’t WANT to be peaceful. The United States, especially under the regime we have in the WH now, no longer has the power to stop these peace-haters.
I thought Obama had all the power, since he not longer abides by the Constitution. Which is it??
UMMM…WHAT? You would think that Obama has all the power. You’re pathetic.
You think it, Dummy.
CT, Did you notice that only a few short days after Morsi supposedly negotiated the cease fire between the Terrorists in Gaza with Israel and stopped the rocket attacks that he declared himself dictator in Egypt. Now, the Egyptian people have awakened to what the Muslim Brotherhood has in mind for them and now he has riots in the street in Cairo. This cease fire will not last since they want the utter destruction of Israel and they will continue to arm these wild eyed fanatics until Israel is forced to wipe them out.
WHY? So they can come here learn how to fly our planes and then kill innocent people?
Yeah, FFA. So they can do that.
FFA, I heard an interview on the radio with one of the Hamas leaders in Gaza this morning. He said they are re-arming for the next fight with Israel. Their goal is to kill every Jew in Israel. No amount of talking to them will ever change their mind. This has only been going on for several thousand years. God promised the Holy Land to the Children of Israel and directed Joshua to go in and kill all of them and being a human being, he couldn’t follow instructions, let them live, intermarried with them and look at the mess we have had ever since. This is all going to blow up big time in the next month or so and we will see who is on Israel’s side.
I think you have your bible stories a little skewed. Just like the rest of your politics.
I thought it was Moses. Just a matter of time before th4e Arrogant American is over there trying to push our ways on them again. I just dont understand why the USA has to police the world. Dont bother trying to explain that to me, I’ll never get it.
The Jews got over Hitler. They are not lobbing bombs into Germany. Talk about people that carry a grudge.
Actually FFA, Moses was not allowed to enter the promised land and died so his chief lieutenant Joshua led the way. Joshua did a lot of good work for a long time, but he was disobedient on this order and now we have Palestinians and Jews, both of which can’t stand the other. The history of the Children of Israel is full of examples of when they were disobedient or worshipped false Gods and they were punished, carried off in slavery, slaughtered like in WW11 etc. They finally made their way back and now they are determined to stay. If I were an Arab country, I wouldn’t want to mess with them. They have kicked butt everytime they have been attacked. I just hope we don’t hang them out to dry if they get into it again.
Been a while since ive been in church. Maybe I should go back.
Agent, haven’t you figured out yet that Libby and that goon planet don’t read their bibles? they wouldn’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Neither does their leader!
….”The Jews got over Hitler” Do you really believe that statement, FFA?
For all the absolute MORONS that voted for a second Obama term, watch out!! The worst is yet to come!! I weep for the future of the USA!!
Actually Perplexed, I think Libby & Planet read the new Progressive version of the Bible. Their version is the opposite of what the real Bible says. Kind of like how they view the Constitution of this country as a living document which can be trampled on daily. Disregard what the wise founding fathers did. We need to change for changes sake and create a brave new world of Socialism so all men can live equally poor and have the government look after all their needs. It worked out great for the Soviet Union, didn’t it?
Maybe my prayers have been answered!
Mine haven’t been…you’re still here with your left minded malarchy.
And here I will stay. :-)
Yes, there you stay in all your misery…and cankles. LOL!!
If I recall, you’re the miserable one with the potty mouth. I’m happy as a junebug, thank you very much. My guy’s in the WH, Captain’s my friend, my man is hot, and life is good. What about you, CT? Got much to be thankful for?
Libby – I thought you were “soooooo busy” to comment anymore? Turn off your iPad, quit your job, govt will take care of u!
Time for the Libby haters to start crawling out from under their rocks, I see.
National Healthcare in the UK killed off all of my living relatives and I can see that the new plan here in the USA will ration me out of existence. Before the socialist takeover the USA was the greatist nation the world has ever known. I regret that I am too old now to fight effectively for truth and freedom.
Water Bug, the UK has a very civilized way of naming their program called “Pathway to Death”. They just make the seniors comfortable if they have a serious illness and make no attempt to treat. They take rationing of healthcare to a new level. If we read between the lines of Obamacare, they will be doing similar things to ration care to the point that no treatment will be allowed. After all, seniors have outlived their usefulness to society, right? Legalized Euthanasia built right into the bill.
I see you’ve had a busy thumb this morning, Agent.
Keep looking, Mulder. The truth is out there.
More like Inspector Clouseau…
I’m amazed at how many people want to talk about what Jesus would do and how few of them try to do what He did! He said to bless those who persecute you, love your neighbor as yourself, and if someone takes your tunic (shirt) let him have your cloak (coat) as well. The good Samaritan, who should have been least likely to help the man who fell among robbers, was the only one who stopped and helped him, and Jesus told them to go and do likewise. Jesus never forced anyone to do anything, and yet He changed the world. I read a quote, don’t know by who, that says “No single rain drop thinks it’s responsible for the flood.” The truth is, they all are. Each of our actions and words can be just another drop of rain or some sun shine that will help to dry things up – the choice is yours…
American, I am afraid that those on the left are responsible for the flood of debt and bad policy this country is going through right now. In fact, the country has been inundated with the flood of big spending legislation passed by the Democrats and reach across the aisle RINO’s. We will be seeing all the tax increases come to pass after the first of the year and many in the Middle Class will descend into poverty status. Does anyone believe they will pass entitlement reform and cut government spending way back? I am not going to hold my breath for that.
I doubt Jesus would “thumb-up” telling another colleague to GFY. But many did on this site.
I doubt Jesus would refer to anyone as the “C” word either, Libby. Reap what you sow.
I never called you the c word.
But if the shoe fits…
Not on this blog, but on another–here are a couple of your posts:
….”I can tell by your posts CT (with a couple of letters missing in between.)”
“Because that’s not a C with 2 letters inbetween”
I don’t forget anything, Libby. Must be my Sicilian blood..
I was calling you a Can’T agent. Get your mind out of the gutter.
Some of those out here get Jesus confused with Supply Side Jesus.
Like the 3 that have already thumbed me down, for example.
Satan worshipers I bet.
Now, where did I leave my pentagram? I’m always losing that darn thing.
Geeze. Name calling. Potty mouth. Patting your selves on the back – your IQ, your car, your looks ect… Have to sift through 100 posts to get one good comment.
Why does Barak and COngress not have to be on Obama Care? If its so good for me, why is it not good for him?
I’m not patting myself on the back. I was responding to CT’s sarcastic questions. She tells me to go f**k myself and all you have to say to me is that??? And I thought we were friends. Go figure.
Was aimed at the both of you. Wish her comments were hidden too.
And go figure, had a restaurant called me today to tell me they closed their doors. Another account lost due to the current economic situation. 6 more people out of work. So, I guess I am a little miffed right now. Throw all the bickering into the mix. No solution being offered to the economic issues hitting my home town hard.
On the news this morning, Cost estimates at $5M to hold a special election to replace JR. I say screw them people that voted for him. Stick them with who they voted for – a looney criminal. Or stick them with the $5M bill.
On the upside, my daughter is now full time at one place. A little taste of spending cash and suddenly, she is hungry for more. Perhaps she will move out some day. hmmm. Its only been two weeks, but…….
Hey FFA. Congratulations on your Bears. They looked a lot better with Cutler at the helm instead of the backup. Regarding politics, I am sure they will find someone equally nasty to take Jr’s place. By the way, I saw where the wonderful mayor of your city says that every city should be like Chicago. I had to laugh at that one. God forbid that every major city be like what Chicago is. They take graft and corruption to a new level and they can keep it there.
Cant really know what we have for a back up qb. There was no O Line for him the one game he played. Hard to complete passes while laying flat on your back with a 200lb+ line man on top of you. Reminds me of the Kordell Stweart experiment – Run Kordell Run! was the battle cry that year.
I was chatting with one of my former contractors that is out of business. He stated the Summit killed him. The high rises put off the maintenance he was performing because they had to hire Armed Security Guards. Did not have the money for both. So, Rahm likes to kill jobs to stuff his ego even fuller. I have heard reports he want to be Govenor. Can you imagine if he took his policies to Springfield? Especially the 50% spike in the murder rate since he took over? May as well just make all of Il a jail. Wont even need to ship out the politicians – they would be right at home.
Your Texans arent looking so bad either. Foster is unstoppable! Schaub is more accurate then – do I dare say – Aron Rogers? Johnson is also a beast!
I’m glad you didn’t mention the lowly Cowboys. Washington is an average team and they made the boys look really bad. Washington has better players and better coaches and other than that, it is a pretty equal match. I agree the Texans look good right now. They propbably would have went farther last year, but got all their quarterbacks hurt. Hard to win with practice squad players.
How about the cheap shot on Schaub? That guy in Detroit gave Jay a cheap shot last year. He needs to be suspended. Maybe his team mates need to take him out back the wood shed, put a hurtin on him.
BTW, my friends tell me when I am embarrassing myself. Thats what friends do.
I’M embarrassing MYSELF? And since when are you my friend?
‘I’m not patting myself on the back. I was responding to CT’s sarcastic questions. She tells me to go f**k myself and all you have to say to me is that??? And I thought we were friends. Go figure”.
Sorry, some how I mis understood this post. You & Ct can carry on.
I’m done with her. She can GFH.
Geez! You’re both talking about me as if I weren’t here. LOL!!
Probably because Obamacare is NOT a health insurance plan. Nobody is or will be on Obamacare as it is currently constructed. If that changes, then you may have an argument.
Cant argue that point Ron. No plan design. No Premium. No nothing. Just a bunch of new taxxes and cost estimates and states saying – No Thanks – you do it.
My biggest fear – the unknowns.
How can anyone be behind this with all the unanswered questions?
Is my Chiro Bill going to be covered? I dont know. But if I dont buy health insurance, I am going to be taxxed – that I do know.
FFA, You have probably gathered by now that CT & Libby do not get along. It usually ends up in a cat fight and the fur starts flying. Sometimes, it only takes one or two comments and one or the other calls the other a name and here we go with a number of nasty comments. Regarding Obama & Congress, they both knew how bad this bill was, so they made sure they weren’t subject to it since they are all elitists anyway. They both said to the American People – Bend forward, we aren’t through yet.
If you’ll notice, Agent, I did not call her one name or say anything nasty. That was all on her, but I’m the one thumbed down. So take you’re commentary and keep it to yourself. You have revealed your true colors, all of you. You agree and support a nasty, name-calling, potty mouth as long as they are attacking me. Talk about a bully mentality. All of you should be ashamed.
I did notice Libby and you did call her the condescending “chicky” and in another one, “dummy”. CT is anything but dumb. Just because she disagrees with your liberal philosophy does not make her dumb. There are a lot of us who agree with her positions and we marvel at how wierd some of your’s and Planet’s comments are. It is no wonder you get thumbed down so much until your comments are hidden.
Well, I know who’s behind the censorship, Agent. And I did call her Dummy because in one breath she says Obama is running wild with Executive Orders and not following the Constitution and in the next breath she says he doesn’t have the power to stop terrorists. I pointed out the obvious and she says “UMMM…WHAT? You would think that Obama has all the power. You’re pathetic” That was a dumb statement made by a dummy.
And since she tells everyone how hot she is, I thought Chicky was a compliment.
Seems to be a lot of people that agree with both sides. Dont mean they should dis respect each other. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, yes indeed, but the level the two of them stoop to.
Why dont we fill a swiming pool with jello and let them have at it (oink)?
And the censorship works in your favor Libby. I read every hidden comment no matter who posts them.
As far as I’m concerned, I was not disrespectful and conducted myself with dignity. Can’t say the same for the other side, though. I am not the one stooping here.
Actually, Libby, you should wake up and smell the coffee and stop believing the Huffington Post talking points once in a while. CT is correct in saying we are being ruled by Executive Fiat/Orders. He has almost 40 Czars in the basement giving directives he signs off on to run this government and impose his will on the people. She is also correct that Obama does not have the power to stop Terrorists. They are going to do their thing no matter what he says or does. If you think this Hamas cease fire is going to last, you are the dummy.
I don’t read Huffington Post. And I’m wide awake. I disagree with you and I find CT snarky and mean. That’s the end of the conversation.
(COUGH!!!) You are correct, Libby. You only referred to me as a C***, which prompted to me to tell you to GFY. Poor Libby…always getting picked on!
GFY
Language you should be able to understand.
Go ahead, say it. C**t. I’m sure it’s passed your lips before. I only pointed out the obvious.
Hey!! I taught you something! And, I thought you were ineducable!!
Actually, that is one of two words that NEVER passes my lips. I can see though, that you have no problem with it and refer to it often. Potty mouth.
Had to speak in a language you’d understand.
And here is our daily cuss fest.
Libby, don’t give me that baloney about not reading the Huffington Post. I have seen you cite their articles on more than one occasion to try to prove your liberal talking points. We don’t give any credence to anything coming out of that filthy lying site.
Yeah, I think government employees have always had a better deal than most of us. I have a couple friends who are employed by the government and they RAVE about their medical benefits, and benefits in general. What they lack in salary they make up for in benes. They aren’t even elitists or part of Congress. If you have some time, here are some details about their medical plans:
Q: What type of health insurance do members of Congress receive? Is it a single-payer, government-run system?
A: Members of Congress are covered by private insurance under the same system that covers all federal workers.
FULL ANSWER
Members of Congress have good health insurance by any standard, but it’s not free and not reserved only for them – and it’s not government insurance. House and Senate members are allowed to purchase private health insurance offered through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, which covers more than 8 million other federal employees, retirees and their families.
It’s not a “single-payer” system where the government acts as the one and only health insurance company. As President Bush’s chief of personnel Kay Coles James said in 2003, while lecturing at the conservative Heritage Foundation, “the FEHB program is not centralized, government-run health care.” It has drawn praise both from conservatives and liberals, including President Obama, who held it up as a model for his own health care proposals.
According to the Congressional Research Service, the FEHBP offers about 300 different private health care plans, including five government-wide, fee-for-service plans and many regional health maintenance organization (HMO) plans, plus high-deductible, tax-advantaged plans. All plans cover hospital, surgical and physician services, and mental health services, prescription drugs and “catastrophic” coverage against very large medical expenses. There are no waiting periods for coverage when new employees are hired, and there are no exclusions for preexisting conditions. The FEHBP negotiates contracts annually with all insurance companies who wish to participate. There is plenty of competition for the business; FEHBP is the largest employer-sponsored health plan in the U.S.
Those who don’t like their coverage may switch to another plan during a yearly “open season” period. To help with the choices, FEHBP conducts an annual “satisfaction survey” of each plan with more than 500 members and publishes the results.
Like other large employers, the government pays a large share of the cost of coverage. On average, the government pays 72 percent of the premiums for its workers, up to a maximum of 75 percent depending on the policy chosen. For example, the popular Blue Cross and Blue Shield standard fee-for-service family plan carries a total premium of $1,327.80 per month, of which the beneficiary pays $430.04. Washington, D.C.-based employees who prefer an HMO option might choose the Kaiser standard family plan. It carries a total premium of $825.15 per month, of which the employee pays only $206.29.
In addition, members of Congress also qualify for some medical benefits that ordinary federal workers do not. They (but not their families) are eligible to receive limited medical services from the Office of the Attending Physician of the U.S. Capitol, after payment of an annual fee ($491 in 2007). But services don’t include surgery, dental care or eyeglasses, and any prescriptions must be filled at the member’s expense.
House and Senate members (but not their families) also are eligible to receive care at military hospitals. For outpatient care, there is no charge at the Washington, D.C., area hospitals (Walter Reed Army Medical Center and National Naval Medical Center). Inpatient care is billed at rates set by the Department of Defense.
Update, Aug. 6, 2012: This item was updated to reflect the employee share of the monthly insurance premiums for 2012.
So, I guess the type of medical benefits the government workers receive are up to the carriers of the FEHBP. Much like the type of benefits you will receive under the PPACA are up to the carrier you purchase your plan from. In that regard, I guess they are similar. And, yes Agent, I do see the part above describing members of Congress having an added benefit. Though, given what is described above, it doesn’t seem that outrageous to me. Bottom line, you want to have a plan like them, get elected, become a government worker, or find a carrier who offers a similar plan. Many ways you can compete on that one.
As I’ve stated before, my plan became stronger this year, same deductible as last, added benefits, same premium rate. My plan improved and doesn’t cost a dime more.
And yes, Ct I know your there. I agree with your opinions, just not your delivery.
FFA, You and I both have experience with women working in the office and know they are competitive and critical of one another. This Libby/CT battle is one of strong opinions and it degenerates into name calling when one makes a snarky comment. It quickly goes down from there. Of course with Libby, she gets so upset when people disagree with her position, she goes ballistic sometimes, especially when Bob gets latches onto her position and tries to make her prove her point. When she can’t do it, she tells him to get lost.
You are the pot calling the kettle black, Agent. I don’t get any more ballistic than you with your rants.
And Bob and I have come to an understanding, which is more than I can say for you and your extreme views.
Oh Libby stop it, you know how those women get. You’ve worked with them before, right? The “gals” in the office.
I’ll work on that, FFA.
Dont change for me. Its a free country. Be who you are. hod gave you free will.
Just dont be all you can be because OBama is just going to stick his hand in your pocket and take it.
FFA, There is a lot flying around on the news about the so called compromise, most of which is bad news for the Middle Class. They are going to strike a deal increasing taxes with little, if any entitlement cuts or government operation cuts. The Middle Class will once again get hosed by our elected representatives led by our Messiah. They are talking about a $2,000+ increase in taxes for the typical family. Isn’t this a wonderful government we have now? Stick us with Obamacare with all those new taxes and then raise our marginal rates on our income as well. Everything they do drag this country down into the abyss of failure.
FFA, Hot off the press. Five new taxes that will hit on Jan 1st that should make employers very happy and encourage them to hire more people. 1. Medical Devices Tax – 2.3% of gross sales. I bet they run right out and double their work force. 2. Special Needs Kids Tax – Deduction will be capped at $2,500 when the typical expense for a family is $10-14,000 per year. 3. Obamacare Surtax on investment income – 3.8% 4. Medical Expense Deduction threshold increased from 7.5% of expenses to 10% making it harder to expense big out of pocket expenses. 5. Medicare Payroll Tax hike from 2.9% to 3.8%. All of these will hit as our politicians are deciding to increase our marginal income tax rates. The American people are getting hosed big time. Do you think the spending will get cut? If anything is done, it will be minimal and we will all be suffering from what they are doing to us.
Maybe I should start sewing my pockets closed…
CT, How can we protect our income and provide jobs to our employees if all this comes down like it appears to be doing? Our fears of how the election would turn out are now being doubled with the advent of 4 more years of the same. We are survivors, but have not faced anything like this before even with the Carter years. He was a nincompoop who was incompetent and we had a bad economy, but it will pale by comparison if the predictions come true. The Godfather said keep your friends close and your enemies closer. We will have to watch all the signs and do the best we can to weather this storm.
So CT, how do you like that extra $63 per head charge that is going to be slapped on those fortunate enough to have an Individual policy or covered under a group? The employer will probably just pass it on to the covered employees. After all, we do have to cover all the PreX crowd now, don’t we? Yes, we still have to pay all those new taxes rolling in on 1-1-13. Libby argues that we should just calm down and pay the $5.25 per month charge. When we add up what Obamacare will cost us, I again ask the question of: What is affordable about the Affordable Care Act?
When Cycles Sync up in my house, I have an appointment every night that week.
I didn’t think of that one FFA, but you may be on to something.
Maybe I’ll stay out of IJ when its becomes apparent cycles are in sync.
I like the inteligent debate / exchange of ideas.
If I want to hear foul mouth people swearing & cussing at each other, I’ll go down to the Com Ed facility.
FFA, I am sure you get plenty of the foul mouth in the wonderful secular City of Chicago. One thing I have noticed in IJ is that if any Conservative has a comment disagreeing with the liberal narrative, they are immediately attacked by the likes of Libby & Planet. They learned from their leader to villify Conservatives, distort their views and call them radicals. This is a phenomenon of the past 4 years. They are like the crew of the Titanic rearranging the deck chairs.
At least Planet dont have a foul mouth. Sarcastic – Yes. Foul – no, not that I have seen.
You and I seem to agree on almost every point including good sporting events. Maybe you and I should hammer out this NHL.
FFA, Even though we are several states separated, we are generally on the same page with what is going on. We are both Small Businesses and we are getting hosed just like our customers are. I have worked very hard to build my agency as you have yours and yes, the government didn’t help me one bit. All they are good at is taxing and spending our money with huge waste and you wait and see how the marginal rates will increase so they can binge spend next year. They are like gamblers who run out of money and borrow, beg or steal to get some more hoping for a different result. I could really care less if the NHL plays again or not. It is more union trouble and they go through this every few years. If we banned unions for sports, public sector and private sector, the country would be much better off.
Now THAT’S funny!
I meant your ‘cycles’ statement…for some reason my reply to that posted under Agent’s post..
I’m glad you got a laugh out of that one CT. We all knew you had a sense of humor amid all the rancor between you and Libby. I didn’t see her post saying she thought it was funny, but then she doesn’t like my posts anyway since I am an extremist to her.
We had to get a male cat so that my husband wasn’t the only man in the house! (But–guess who cleans the litter box…!)
CT, We have one of those Alpha Male cats which is a 25 pounder. We call him our dog cat since he really can put the cat food away and cleans it all the way to the bottom of the dish. He also naps upside down on the floor. You can only imagine what he does in the litter box and we take turns cleaning it up. He also hates the vet and they have to gas him before they can give him his shots. Not a good patient at all.
I am not that big of a B Ball fan – go figure with MJ and now D Rose. With Foot Ball winding down, what the heck am I going to do with my Sundays? Better get the Poker Club back up and running….
BTW, I love your neck of the woods – the South West. Hope they send me back there again next year. My wife really liked New York, but me – the Southwest is the place to be if I dont end up in Central Wis. I know thats not her place to be. Gets too cold for her. Me – let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!!!! Or let it be hot enough for the pools to be open.
FFA, perhaps Planet will invite you to go to Wrigley to see the Bulls play since he is such a fan. Yes, he said that. Anywhere in the sun belt is better than the frozen tundra. Give me the mild weather in the winter, no state income tax, inviting business climate which actually creates private sector jobs and I am good to go. It is really depressing to see what is going on in the country right now. Our Progressive politicians have just about done the country in and they are champing at the bit to raise our taxes again so they can continue their massive spending ways. I am sure Small Business will just love all of that and will immediatley make plans to hire and expand.
Agent – Mike Holmgren coming to Dallas??????
I have heard a few rumors, but I don’t want him. I don’t think he is that good. Jones hired Bill Parcells some years ago and everyone thought he could return the boys to glory and then found out that the game had passed him by. He tried Wade Phillips who is a good defensive coordinator, but not a head coach. Now, the experiment with Garrett has about run the course since he cannot coach a winning team. There are several good coaches out there. Personally, I would prefer Sean Payton who is a very good coach despite his New Orleans trouble. I am afraid the trouble with this team is in the General Manager/Owners office. He meddles, makes poor decisions on personnel and hires stupid coaches who can’t coach proper techniques, hence they lead the league in every penalty category. I get sick of it and turn on other programming rather than watch ineptitude. Most good college teams are coached better than the average NFL team.
Bit of trivia – How did Peyton get his start in the NFL?
He was the Spare Bear QB during the stike season. He went on to coach the Arena Team in Chicago then made the jump to the NFL.
Can Bill Cowher be coming to town???? You cant have Lovie!
where is TO? In the Arena League.
Actually, Payton got his start in the NFL with the Cowboys as an assistant. Jones was familiar with him, but made other choices and let Payton get away to the Saints. Big mistake, but he has made plenty since the glory days of Aikman, Smith and Ervin. He didn’t draft or sign good players after that and it has been a revolving door with coaches. Now, he has a $100 million stadium and one of the worst teams in the NFL. The natives are restless. I envy Chicago for having Lovie. I think Cowher doesn’t want to coach anymore. Perhaps Jon Gruden might be a better choice.
Sean was a spare bear in the 87 strike under Da Coach! He was the back up QB.
Probably right about Cowher. Dungy is probably done coaching too. Gruden? Would he leave the booth? I would not. Get to watch games for a living? Work 16 weeks a year? I want his job. He was not fond of Davis interfeafing. How would he react to Jerry sticking his nose in things? BTW, Aikman is to me one of the best Color men in all of sports.
I agree about Aikman. When he does the Cowboys game, he is more critical of them than the other team which they deserve. The Cowboys don’t need another retread, they need a real coach who is innovative and not set in their ways. The best coach in football right now might be Kevin Sumlin who came from University of Houston to Texas A & M. Just look what he has done in only one year turning them into a legitimate contender. I don’t think LSU or Florida wants to see them again. The redshirt QB Johnny Football is phenomenal and is being touted for the Heisman already. They should do quite well in the next few years.
There is a lot wrong with the Cowboys, thats for sure. It has to start at the top. Jerry needs to hire a football guy to run the show and step back. Dont bother me when owners are on the side lines. If I owned a team, I would be on the side lines – in the dug out. I ove sports. Cant get me close enough. Its when they intrude that gets me going.
Is his last name really Football?
People have been telling Jones for 15 years to hire a football guy to do drafting, signing of players etc and he is so arrogant he thinks he knows how to judge talent and because he holds the purse strings, he continues to do the same things over and over hoping for a different result. Parcells got a little latitude for selecting players, but couldn’t coach anymore with his three yards and a cloud of dust philosophy. Regarding the A&M quarterback, his last name is Manziel, but his nickname is Johnny Football since he came along so fast and has tore up the SEC this year. If you get a chance to see A&M in a bowl game this year, he is a real treat to watch.
I’ll keep an eye open. Love watching kids playing for the love of the game no matter the sport. Got a A BAll club up the road. Love them to death – playing for peanuts. Hoping for a shot at that biggs. Had a lot of Major League talent come through there.
Isn’t it amazing FFA that professional football players are paid millions of dollars and they can’t run 5 plays without a false start, holding call, illegal formation or personal foul of some kind. You can watch any well coached college team and they run play after play, many plays with no huddle and run 70 or 80 yard drives with no penalties. Professional players work out all year, have mini camps, pre-season games and they still don’t know the plays halfway through the season. It is pathetic and the NFL brand is suffering as a result. I only watch the best teams now and if it is a run a way, I quickly lose interest and flip the channel.
I had no sympathy for either side during the Lock Out. Mills vs Bills.
They actually snuk into my home town durig the negotiations. My wife saw Jones jet fly in right over our house. When word leaked out they were here, Jones was in the local bar socializing, letting people try on his ring, ect… People stated he is just an average Joe when he was out of the office.
This NHL thing is very disturbing to me too. At least they keep the Chi Wolves on tv and we got the Ice Hawks not too far from home.
FFA, Guess what I heard during the noon lunch break. Your great State of Illinois is the proud owner of the most underfunded public pension plan in the USA. It is currently only 45% funded. Do you think there has been some monkey business going on behind the scene administering the plan? I wonder if Obama will bail it out and take it over like the automakers. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him come to the aid of his home state.
I was just reviewing united behavorial health and they have a clause that denies benefits to any services that involve 1. self harm and 2. related to intoxication – Considering these are often factors in mental health, I’d say this is something to point out….
And the rich white republicans have spoke, no healthcare for anyone but themselves. Forget about the 8 year old girl needing a new heart, or the little boy with cancer, or somebodies sick old mother, because all that matters is every bodies money. I will use the most commonest quote on this blog ” I don’t want my money going to a bunch of strangers” Exactly you don’t want a penny of your money going to help anyone but your rich republican self because you don’t care about anyone else but yourself.
It should include covering what insurance companies are trying to not have to pay for saying it’s a pre-existing condition. Someone explain how the insurance companies do not have to pay for blood work because in their eyes is lab work being done for a pre-existing condition. Seriously?
My partner was laid off from a Palmetto Fl Doctors office 1 day after her FMLA expired. The layoff was retailation for reporting her boss for canceling two separate vacations in a row that were scheduled months in advance. She went on Cobra at $500 per month, but when the Doctor Office was sold to a local hospital, she was informed weeks later she could not continue on Cobra. The insurance company did say she could buy separate coverage for $1000 per month. Might good of them. She could not afford that and let coverage lasp for three month. We were recently married and now this same insurance company is saying every thing prior to our marriage will be pre-existing even though they were the original insurace company. If the Insurance companies had ANY morals there would be no need for theses regulations. I say illiminate them all together.
It amazes me how per existing conditions will be covered but insurance companies can’t increase rates. How exactly is this going to be paid for? Insurance companies are not non for profit organizations. So far this law is as vague as it was when they passed it. I know for certain my rates will go up! No surprising with this administration.