What Employees Should Know About Healthcare Changes Ahead

January 17, 2013

  • January 17, 2013 at 8:42 am
    wvagt says:
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    “What Employees Should Know About Healthcare Changes Ahead”
    1) Reduced coverage
    2) Fewer doctors, longer waits
    3) Higher premiums
    4) Higher taxes
    Yeah, this sounds like just what we need.

    • January 17, 2013 at 1:38 pm
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      You forgot more hoops to jump through and less revenues for business to hire employees.

      Obama Care is the great job killer.

      • January 17, 2013 at 2:17 pm
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        Hi FFA. The article mentions tax free interest and tax free Social Security benefits. What?? Social Security benefits are taxed. Clinton-Gore made sure of that. As complicated as this bill is, I don’t think the vast majority will know what to do when the time comes. They can look forward to higher premiums for one of those Medicaid styled exchange policies though. A lot of those Obama voters are now anguishing that they are missing the 2% out of their checks now. They mistakenly thought Obama would never raise their taxes. This is just the first round of it.

        • January 18, 2013 at 1:58 pm
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          How you Doing? Things in Texas Treating you well? Are you your own Country yet?

          • January 21, 2013 at 4:16 pm
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            Doing great down here in our 63 degree weather. How about those Ravens handing Brady his head yesterday? I didn’t see that coming,but it looks like the Ravens may be a team of destiny. I wish the Cowboys had either of the Harbaugh brothers coaching them. They know their stuff. Should be an interesting Super Bowl with two brothers coaching against one another.

            No, we aren’t our own country just yet, but wish we were. I think Texas could do nicely on its own with the 12th biggest economy in the entire world.

          • January 22, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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            Yea, boy is Genius Perry backstepping that one. If they go that route, which I will bet any one of you 10k they wont. They can have no gov assistance of any kind. No utilities of any kind, They have to grow their own food, no fuel, no internet, no TV. Anything the gov is involved in, will be turned off. Anyone watch thye TV movie ” Revolution” ? Thats what the guntoting state of TX would be like.

          • January 22, 2013 at 3:00 pm
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            We are experiencing sub zero wind chills. Cold as it gets. However – no snow. HMMMM. Weird year for weather.

            Got to pull for Jimmy. Chicago QB, so… Woudl hate to be their parents. That Flaco looks to be the real deal. Strong Arm. Smart QB. Checks them down when needs to.

            Kapernack can run like the wind….

          • January 28, 2013 at 4:07 pm
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            FFA, What is this about on the article I saw today that the great State of Illinois having the worst credit rating in the United States? Mentioned was the abominable situation with their pension program which is in the hole big time. Those liberal politicians have run the state into the ground and they will be downgraded once again. I find little comfort that we have a President from the state of Illinois which is doing the same thing to the country.

        • January 22, 2013 at 2:47 pm
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          • January 22, 2013 at 4:47 pm
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            Well I suppose that if Obama can blame George Bush for a bad economy then Bill Clinton inherited a great economy from GeorgeH.W Bush and rode the wave as well as rode Monica, jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Twilley etc etc. Let’s not forget he lied to a grand Jury and was impeached all while fending off Hillary with an ugly stick!

          • January 22, 2013 at 5:00 pm
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            Yes, FFA. San Fran has a lot of want to and even though they got down by 17, they just came on back. They knew Atlanta was not going to keep it up. Kapernack is the Manziel of pro football and can escape and create problems. However, Flacco is not chopped liver and he showed me something in a hostile environment in Boston. Keep your eye on the right tackle #74 for the Ravens. That is the real Michael Oher from the movie Blindside. He is a mountain and defensive lineman have real issues getting past him. Also, I would like to see Ray Lewis go out in style. This may be a very good game to watch, unlike several sub par Super Bowls.

          • January 22, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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            OK Adj, If I had my way, I would kick Chicago out of the country.
            Have a hard time with the murder rate being what it is. Now, Springfield and Rahm want to limit peoples means to protect themselves.
            Rahm aint getting it done. Things got worse when Rahm took over.

          • January 23, 2013 at 12:37 pm
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            Sargent, your post was hilarious and also true. A lot of people including myself lived through the Slick Willy era. We remember that Congress had to shut him and his Hilarycare program down and all the Progressive agenda. He finally was pragmatic and declared the era of Big Government was over. Even at that, the economy went back into recession before his second term was up and GW had to institute the tax cuts to get the economy moving. It was working until 9/11 when we had to go to war and spend to defend ourselves. GW certainly made some mistakes and signed onto too much big spending legislation Pelosi & Reid kept sending over after 2007, but he wasn’t the only one responsible for the economic woes the country got into. Their are plenty of Progressive Liberals in Congress to share the blame.

        • January 28, 2013 at 11:15 am
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      • January 22, 2013 at 2:29 pm
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        • January 22, 2013 at 4:53 pm
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          I has killed 1170 jobs at Stryker jusr recently. Stryker is a medical equipment manufacturer in kalamazoo Michigan. They were hit with an additional 110 million in cost and laid offthe employees as an offset.

          Here is another example. Check this out-

          http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/21/Surprise-PA-College-Slashes-Hours-To-Avoid-Obamacare

          There are a whole lot more and more coming but not enough space here to list them all

          • January 23, 2013 at 10:26 am
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            Truth hurts; doesn’t it?

    • January 22, 2013 at 2:28 pm
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      • January 22, 2013 at 5:21 pm
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        I just got my group renewal. Was $2273. Now, $2751. All with a $5K ded.
        Name one Job? How about two right here in my office. I full time and one part time.
        How about Cedar Falls IA? Cutting the hours of 50+ people so they dont have to provide benefits.
        Two of my brothers – Union Workers – one electrician and one Line Man – both sitting at home waiting for a call thats not gonna come.
        How about the college in PA?
        OkAdj, you opened a can of worms with a comment like that.
        Of course your wife is thriving. History tells us in times of recession / depression, the medical indusrty thrives. Lots and lots of people being treated for depression, too much booze and all that goes with it.

        Have not heard from Libby lately. Has she lost her job? Are you out there? Just laying low? Hope all is well.

        • January 23, 2013 at 11:34 am
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          And I bet the CEO and other bigwigs all got raises and bonuses. They can now hide behind the excuse of Obamacare, while robbing their companies blind. Putting people out of work or reducing their hours puts more money into the pockets of the rich-boys, who really don’t even do anything of value. Job creators! Yay! Help the rich and it will all trickle down. Still waiting for that…

          • January 23, 2013 at 12:27 pm
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            What we got instead was Trickle Up Poverty. How do you like your taxes going up 2%? A lot of Obama voters are in disbelief that their taxes went up. It wasn’t supposed to happen with this President. Some families with the wife working are seeing a couple hundred dollars less each month taken out of their check. All of this while their cost of living has gone up. No, GW did not do this so don’t bother blaming him yet again Shirley.

          • January 23, 2013 at 1:18 pm
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            Actually, I’ve never blamed or even referred to GW in any of my posts. Our taxes just went up due to the end of the “payroll tax holiday”. We were given a temporary break (under Obama, and I disagreed with it) on what we should have been paying into Social Security and Medicare. That temporary break just expired, like most discounts eventuallly do. That’s about $160 each month on me. I’m not an Obama fan, but if the Republicans had any common sense, they would have had John Huntsman as their guy. He could have won it. As far as trickle up poverty goes, you got that right. The rich keep taking more and more from the rest of the American people (sometimes through taxes).

          • January 23, 2013 at 2:14 pm
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            Guess you never had to tell someone “I cant afford to pay you any more” knowing they have families to feed.

          • January 29, 2013 at 3:44 pm
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            So Shirley, how about the story that the paymaster Czar of the Treasury approving huge bonuses and pay raises of GM, AIG and many others that were bailed out by taxpayer money under TARP. Remember when they said executive pay would be frozen and they would have a limit on their salary/bonuses. Well, no request for bonuses and pay raises were turned down by the paymaster. I believe it was 18 executives getting raises to the tune of $6.2 million. Quite a reward for people that ran their companies into the ground, don’t you think?

  • January 17, 2013 at 1:37 pm
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    We’re going to Love what happens? Why is this publication subscribing to propaganda like this article?

    • January 17, 2013 at 2:18 pm
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      Chris, do you remember Nancy Pelosi and her statement that they had to pass it so we could see what was in it and when the American People saw it, they would love it? Not so much!

      • January 22, 2013 at 2:41 pm
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        • January 22, 2013 at 5:28 pm
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          There is no such thing as free healthcare. Someone has to pay for it and it’s going to be the rest of us paying for it along with the Obamaphones.

        • January 22, 2013 at 5:33 pm
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          The higher tax bill that is necessary to cover the cost? You know its going to happen. With a Bill as low as that, consider yourself lucky. I am going to spent $30K pluss on medical insurance this year. Can you cut my cost by that much with out increasing something else? A 62% reduction???
          My G Pa always taught me if its sounds to good to be true then it cant be true. Them old folks new a thing or two.

        • January 23, 2013 at 11:42 am
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          • January 23, 2013 at 2:17 pm
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            Speaking of prison anothe Blago Cronie just landed in jail with our other former jailed dumacrap govenor George Ryan.

  • January 17, 2013 at 1:42 pm
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    Chris, I think you missed the point. I don’t believe most of us really like a 401K as compared to a defined benefit pension plan.

  • January 17, 2013 at 2:09 pm
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    Very funny!!! Why not read directly from what the IRS says about Obamacare. Agree with all the comments about doctors, taxes, and the propaganda of this article. Are you ready for the IRS and Health and Human Services to control health care in America? Read what the IRS has planned: http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/Questions-and-Answers-on-Employer-Shared-Responsibility-Provisions-Under-the-Affordable-Care-Act

    • January 22, 2013 at 2:44 pm
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      • January 22, 2013 at 3:54 pm
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        “Under these provisions, if these employers do not offer affordable health coverage that provides a minimum level of coverage to their full-time employees, they may be subject to an Employer Shared Responsibility payment if at least one of their full-time employees receives a premium tax credit for purchasing individual coverage on one of the new Affordable Insurance Exchanges. ” And what, pray tell, is the minimum level of coveage? That’s all they need pay for which sounds like a really good plan now doesn’t it? What are you smoking?

        • January 22, 2013 at 5:31 pm
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          Oh Geeze, I forgot to mention that we were told that the IRS was not going to be hiring thousands of new people to keep watch on how many souls are forced to by a crappy plan to replace the good plan that they might have now. So, then they “are” hiring thousands.. interesting. Do you really know what you’re talking about OKAJ. I’m starting to think that you don’t.

  • January 17, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    Bill says:
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    I think we will instead of paying 100% all the health insurance premiums for our 14 employees will pay either a set dollar each month or just pay the $700. penalty for each and send them to the exchanges.

    Good Job Obama! The IJ Libtards amaze me!

    • January 22, 2013 at 2:49 pm
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  • January 17, 2013 at 3:41 pm
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    Yeah-I love having a 401k instead of my employer providing full retirement – what a liberal, off-base, ridiculous thing to say…

    Good old IJ – parroting the libs again.

    • January 23, 2013 at 11:52 am
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      What happened to taking resposnibility for your own life? Isn’t that part of the conservative mantra? Or are they just hyppocrites? Such liberal freeloaders want free full retirement when they were already paid for their work. If you don’t like it, you can work somewhere else, right? Or do you want to be part of that horrible 47% crowd? Who’s the liberal now?

  • January 17, 2013 at 3:59 pm
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    Senators, Congressmen and the President all exempted themselves from this debacle called Obamacare. They have the federal coverage they voted for themselves and their families for life. Meanwhile, the lowly citizens have higher deductibles, higher premiums, taxes increasing and fewer benefits. And let us not forget that $16 trillion of debt that we (or our great grandchildren) will have to make good on at some point. Why the voters keep voting in the same cast of characters that put us in this mess is beyond me? We need a real life “Mr Smith” going to Washington to get real change.

    • January 17, 2013 at 7:47 pm
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      Don’t forget the pay raise Obama signed off on. Real group of thrifty politicians when it comes to US citizens and not themselves.

      • January 18, 2013 at 10:28 am
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        Sargent, for the past 30 years or so, our elected representatives have believed that massive spending will cure all ills. They adopted the Keynsian economic model which seeks to meddle in the private sector and pick winners and losers. Is it any wonder the country has a $16.4 Trillion debt? Obamacare will add another cool $1.6 Trillion to it. Our President doesn’t think we have a spending problem. He wants to continue and add to our problem and will consider no cuts except to the military. The House has the power of the purse. They should just start defunding the departments and agencies and shut it down like they did with Slick Willy until Obama sees the light. This is all very unsustainable and at the rate we are going, we will be Venezuela in a few short years.

        • January 22, 2013 at 2:52 pm
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          • January 22, 2013 at 3:58 pm
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            AND your knight in shinning armore said he was going to cut that number in 1/2 if he were elected. Seems to me it went the other way now didn’t it. What happened there OK adjuster? Can you answer me that? And if you think Obamacare is going to save our healthcare – you really do have rose colored glasses on.

          • January 23, 2013 at 10:05 am
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            His war? Who slammed the planes into our buildings? Did George?
            Now, Obama turns his head and looks the other way when our embasy gets attacked? No retialiation, no nothing. Just a bunch of lies, deciet and finger pointing out of Obama. Way to make us a target elsewhere.

        • January 23, 2013 at 11:58 am
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          Agreed, we need to cut spending. We should start by ending all the free taxpayer handouts to the rich and companies like G.E. and oil companies. Maybe a little less spending on countries where they use the money to buy American flags to burn, while shouting “Death to America!” Unfortunately, too many people would rather take from the poor and put grandma out on the street.

    • January 18, 2013 at 12:40 pm
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      A “Mr. Smith” would get chewed up & spit out in 5 minutes.

      What we need is about 400 of them.

      • January 21, 2013 at 6:21 pm
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        There are 535 of them counting the House & Senate. They are not going to vote for term limits since the money is so good from the special interests. The only way to get them out may be tar, feathers and rails. We can start with Reid, Pelosi and work our way down the list. Boehner needs to go as Speaker as well. He has lost my confidence playing footsy with the President and is a milk toast when it comes to difficult decisions.

        • January 22, 2013 at 2:56 pm
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          Boner doesnt have a chance, his right extreme is the party of NO. Even if its good for the USA. They believer in the R&R rule. Rule the country or ruin it. They say NO so much, boner cant get anything done. A good example was his Plan B plan,lol. Nobody can make the republicans agree amongst themselves, its a broken party.

  • January 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm
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    • January 18, 2013 at 8:52 am
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      Your right D, no one has a clue.. even those that wrote and are “Clarifying” the bill yet by rewriting it. Wait and see, this is a mess and will make it worse. You’ll get less coverage for more money, unless your one that will just pay fees (if they catch you and enforce fees) and then when its needed you’ll quickly pick up a plan.. Excellent idea, maybe we should all do that.

    • January 18, 2013 at 1:56 pm
      FFA says:
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      D, No Genius knows what is in there. Not even the people who passed it.
      Blinking Red? Yes indeed. No Tort reform? Still blinking Red. OBama Care – Still Blinking Red at a more rapid rate and brighter. May need another red light.

  • January 18, 2013 at 8:23 am
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    • January 18, 2013 at 11:50 am
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      Hey D, one of my friends is traveling in Thailand. He hit his head and that required a trip to the ER were he needed to have 5 staples put in is skull. His bill was $62. How much do you think that would have cost us here D? My Humana plan requires $75 co-payment to walk into the ER and then I get the medical bills. And with my “new and improved” insurance what do you think I’ll be paying then? My boss who pays for my insurance at 100% already told me that I’m going to be put into one of the exchanges that he can afford because the Humana plan I have now is going to be way to expensive for him to pay for come this October. Nice Obama – “If you like the plan you have now you can keep it.” That’s if the payer of said plan can afford to pay for it. I won’t have the same coverage I have now and thank God I had breast cancer last year and not (hopefully not) in the coming years when I’m on a plan that has less coverage then I do now and is governmentally run. Sorry, I think this whole thing sucks and there wasn’t 50K uninsured people by choice either. Some were our 20+ year olds who still probably think they are invisible and don’t need health insurance but will now be forced to buy it. I used to be on of those years ago too.

      • January 22, 2013 at 9:27 am
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        Hey Always Amazed, please follow-up with us in a month when those $62 staples rust in his head and he has to pay a US doctor to fix it.

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        • January 22, 2013 at 4:02 pm
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          He’s going to be down there for a while Mr. Smartypants and the staples will be out before long. Nice try.

          • January 24, 2013 at 1:52 pm
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            Um….that’s Ms. Smartypants…and I maintain my position about the rust.

          • January 24, 2013 at 4:57 pm
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            Ms Smartypants – the staples are out and my friend has made a full recovery. He is still in Thailand with his wife visitng her family and loving it by the way. So I say again – nice try.

          • January 25, 2013 at 8:43 am
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            Always Amazed – ok! you win! :) Glad your friend is doing well.

    • January 18, 2013 at 2:04 pm
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      Carolyn, its a simple fact – to fix a probelm you must address the underlying cause. No one has as of yet put forth anything to address the underlying cause.

      If you paint over rust on a car without fixing the rust, it will just come back and you will have to fix it again.

    • January 19, 2013 at 9:11 am
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      Tell me you are kidding, Carolyn. In 1965 Congressional leaders crafted and passed, together with LBJ, what was projected to be a simple, managable program to reimburse hospitals and doctors who assisted the elderly. Noble though that thought may have been, their gross underestimates of its costs, and their ignorance of its likely expansion, are mind-boggling to view from our perspective now. All projections from the House Ways and Means committee of the day are laughable from our perspective today. Do you really believe that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the rest of their cabal are somehow wiser?

    • January 22, 2013 at 3:03 pm
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      • January 22, 2013 at 4:25 pm
        Always Amazed says:
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        And Hillary would have been a much better president instead of a committy party planer. What in the blazes were you people thinking. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss!

      • January 22, 2013 at 4:43 pm
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        Marco Rubio for one. Send him and Ted Cruz up against Hilbillary and she will be toast. She is a leathery hag anyway and after they grill her on Benghazi, she will look even worse. By the way OklahomaAdjustor, you don’t sound like any Oklahoman I have known. Are you imported from Massachusetts or Chicago? You sound a lot like a paid Progressive blogger with all your rants.

      • January 23, 2013 at 10:08 am
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        If she is alive. Besides the way OBama blamed her for the embasy, you think people would for get that??? I wont. Obama says its all her fault. So, it must be.

  • January 18, 2013 at 9:29 am
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    After reviewing some of the comments I am somewhat optimistic that there may be hope for this country yet. Unfortunately most of the uneducated and uninformed people of our country have to learn a lesson the hard way. Hey – look on the bright side – we only have to endure this idiot and his cronies for four more years. Hopefully by then the American masses will have learned their lesson when the next election rolls around. Never thought i would live in a country ruled by an arrogant, egotistical would be dictator. Oh well….

    • January 18, 2013 at 1:47 pm
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    • January 18, 2013 at 3:02 pm
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      You did thru the Bush years. Forget that?

    • January 23, 2013 at 12:13 pm
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      Instead we should vote for someone who wants to turn this country into a religious dictatorship? Republicans want to take us back to the Dark Ages.

  • January 18, 2013 at 9:49 am
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    • January 18, 2013 at 11:52 am
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      Are we still a safe country? Aside of being attacked on 9/11? Who do you think keeps us out of harms way?

    • January 19, 2013 at 9:01 am
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      The two are not equatable, ExciteBiker. While it is undeniable that we have many wasted dollars in the military budget, and some areas could be trimmed, it is not valid to compare THE central function of a goverment – defense of the nation and its interests – to public health care, public education, or any other massive federal spending program that was not contemplated by our Founders. And as for the carrier fleet, we have 12 carrier groups that patrol the world’s oceans. They serve not just the US, but also the other nations that rely on our Navy to keep the sea lanes safe. The entire global economy benefits from our expenditure. Whether many in Europe, Japan, S. Korea, etc. decry our military strength or not, they are its unpaying beneficiaries. Perhaps they should toss in some billions for our health care, no?

  • January 18, 2013 at 11:50 am
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    These same libtards are the ones who think that outlawing guns will prevent a criminal from owning one. LMAO! or that borrowing 40% of every dollar that we spend supporting lazy uneducated kids who are actually 35 years old by giving them free cell phones, food and healthcare and still living with their enabling parents is a great idea! LOL….. Liberals totally amaze me that they actually believe that their liberal un-factual illogical thinking has any merrit what so ever! — Too funny!

    • January 18, 2013 at 1:51 pm
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      • January 18, 2013 at 2:07 pm
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        Its just a matter of time Cap. Its just a matter of time.

      • January 21, 2013 at 1:16 pm
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        Captain:

        What’s even funnier is the left wing nut who does the same, goes a step further, and then laughs at the other person as if it’s just something they themselves would never do.

        Planet, with how often you label the right, your comments here are insane. Remind me…What do us on the right want to do to the woman’s body?

        Your idiotic comparison was to football.

        A male. Told a woman. He understands her. Based on a comparison….to do with being pregnant playing football.

        You are so ignorant it’s unbelievable. I’ve not fortotten that comparison. Go sit in a corner. Your place isn’t in politics.

      • January 21, 2013 at 7:19 pm
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        Further to the point though:

        If Captain doesn’t realize that the majority of those with assistance are people working the system, he’s a fool.

        The middle class doesn’t need food stamps to survive. Here in Washington mothers have kids specifically for child support, and have those kids with several different fathers to have a maximum effect / amount.

        A student doesn’t need tution support just because he’s black. I would argue so far as that students can always go to college, if they just get a part time job, do a few classes at a time, and live with their parents paying rent. This type of actually paying for your college is something that the majority of kids these days do not do. And we have weaker kids as a result.

        Freeloaders are breaking the piggy bank of this country.

        Food stamps and unemployment combined are at roughly double what they were in 2008. Either the recession is really not over, or we have more freeloaders than ever, encouraged by this whiny baby mentality of a president telling everyone it’s ok, just keep collecting.

        The majority of those receiving assistance don’t need it. There are some that do. And if you haven’t learned how to be efficient, and instead counter with a “broad brush” statement, you’re a fool. We aren’t going to let 80% of moochers stay moochers just because 20% of the same sample are not moochers.

        It’s time to buckle down the code. Not loosen it and spend more.

  • January 18, 2013 at 3:15 pm
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    I say nobody gets health care. Not the rich, not the poor. Red or Blue. Everybody should just take care of themselves and go to school, read books and figure it out for themselves. Why would anyone rely on others to tell them what they already know to do? When is the last time a health care professional really did anything for you anyway? My husband died after a lengthy illness and I don’t recall one person being interested in him as anything but a dollar. So I say it is all a scam. Bloated Healthcare scamming the government.

  • January 19, 2013 at 12:42 pm
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    What do you all expect? It’s a Reuters article filled as usual with leftist crapola.

    I am going to say it again-Government controlled healthcare doesn’t work. Healthcare rationing murdered most of my middle aged to elderly family members in the UK. Barry Obama has stated publicly before and after his coronation that his goal is to brink single payer health insurance to the US.

    Back in the 1970′s Teddy Kennedy (the Hero of Chappaquidick) pushed for HMO’s saying publicly that HMO’s wouldn’t work and the country would be forced into a one payer socialized medical system.

  • January 21, 2013 at 10:36 am
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    Everyone in the health insurance business who actually knows how it works knows Obamacare will cost a fortune and is designed to destroy employer based insurance. We will have more government subsidies — all funded by taxpayers — and no increase in competition. Higher prices will follow.

    Don’t think the subsidies are only coming from the government. The young will be subsidizing the elderly big time because the law limits age bracket pricing to three age brackets, so 25 and 30 year olds will be paying hugely inflated premiums to subsidize the artificially reduced premiums being paid by the over-50 crowd.

  • January 21, 2013 at 12:02 pm
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    Well folks here is something that we now know is in the Obama healthcare plan.

    Hidden in Obamacare is a provision that forbids the government from the collection of information related to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition. It is known as Senate Amendment 3276, section 2716, part c. Check this out-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFsdcQuiuI

    Now, I am a second amendment supporter. I believe that a legal citizen, who pays their taxes, is not mentally impaired and has no criminal record should be able to buy whatever they want.

    But, the hypocrisy of the Dummercrats seems to have no bounds. For example:

    * First and foremost Nancy Pelosi was correct- You must sign the bill and then find out what was in it- LOL!

    *I thought that Obama would not sign a bill that contained pork? So, what does this have to do with healthcare? If this is not pork than nothing is.

    * The person who put this in the bill is —– Dirty Harry Reid. yes the same guy who, after Newtown got up in front of congress and said we must take gun control action.

    *The same administration who put forth executive orders that, given this, appear to be window dressing for voter support.

    * The same administration that put forth executive orders on gun control but did NOTHING to address mental health problems that accompany these type shootings or said nothing about Hollywood’s penchent for violent movies, or said nothing to the bozos who create violent vidoeo games which drive adolescent behavior.

    What a bunch of dopes.

    • January 23, 2013 at 12:37 pm
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      Sargent Major, I agree with you on the Second Amendment and lawful gun ownership, as I own a semi-auto rifle myself (former military as well). However, the last point in your post doesn’t make much sense.

      First of all, the mental health problems aren’t being properly addressed because the spending for this has been slashed to almost nothing. I know. It’s rather hyppocritical to demand that we cut spending and then complain about the consequences of those cuts. Thank the Tea Party and their blind faith followers. Don’t worry, Jesus will come down and fix everything.

      Secondly, violent movies are a sorry excuse. I was raised on violent movies and TV shows since the 70′s, and I’ve never thought of violence as a trivial matter. I’ve played violent video games as well. Still don’t feel like shooting up a movie theater or school. I’ve been on the battlefield. Still not a mass-murderer. There is a lot of violence on the news. Should we get rid of that too? There is violence in history books too. Of course we should probably replace all text books with the bible, because that’s such a peaceful, non-violent book.

      We need to address the mental health issue, and there are many out there who need treatment and/or institutionalization, but nobody wants to pay for it.

      Movies and video games are no more the problem than us lawful gun owners.

      • January 23, 2013 at 8:59 pm
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        DCME- The whole mass shooting problem in this country, in my opinion, is a societal issue and it seems the administration wants to blame it all on guns because it is a favorite of liberals. It is a societal issue in that the gun is only a means to commit mass murder and in the administrations mind an AR-15 is the problem. The menatlly disturbed young man could just as easily used a 12 gauge shotgun with 00 buck and just as much damage at close range or even more. So are they going to ban shotguns as well?

        * If you look at the mass shootings, all of them have been committed by someone insane or mentally disturbed including Columbine when the assault weapons ban was in place. Why? Because of the deinstitutionalizing of those mentally insane and closing hospitals. It seems there were some liberals who felt they were not being treated well so they let them loose on medication and sent them home. With Medicaid and Medicare available it was cheaper to pay them than keep them in the hospital. So mental health is a big problem. If they want to fix it. Cancel their medicaid/medicare and put them back in the hospital. They could also make other cuts to offset the cost of mental hospitals (Like rescinding Obamacare or at least big portions of it).

        * As far as Hollywood, they are the first to jump on the gun control bandwagon and the last to do anything about the violence they continue to promote. Movies are far more violent today than they were in the 70′s or the 60′s, by far and any person with an undergard degree in Psych would tell you that violence in movies or video games drives aggresive behhavior in children. If you are a veteran then you know that some of the video games are as violent as some combat simulations. As you state not all children (Neither you or I were mass murderers) but coupled with the lack of mental health, violence in movies in video games are a real social problem and the administration is doing nothing or saying nothing.

        My point- the adminsitration wants to pick on an easy target that buys votes and is for the most part going to do nothing. This while leaving the other possibly even more serios issues unaddressed because it might make some Hollywood campaign contributor mad.

  • January 21, 2013 at 1:08 pm
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    “As more employees are nudged to cheaper high-deductible plans in the future, they will want to learn more about the healthcare they are buying, suggests Ceci Connolly, managing director of the PwC Health Research Institute.”

    “When the first $3,000 to $5,000 is out of your own pocketbook, you might think differently about the different tests and screenings; the things that get ordered up quickly.”

    “Furthermore, many people may see their health insurance costs rise in 2014, warn experts. Costs could rise as insurers stretch to meet higher coverage standards. And with new rules limiting the markups that could be charged to older subscribers, some young people could find their insurance costs rising,”

    Put it together. Basically they just said that your costs are going to go up for preventitive care, so that they can lower premiums for the elderly (the higher risk pool). People like Libby and Planet keep talking about “preventitive access” getting better under Obama’s law. This article just pointed out the exact opposite. People will either pay higher premiums for that preventitive care (which Planet and Libby both acknowledge cannot currently be done, because the middle class cannot afford it) or buy higher deductibles, and thus pay more for preventitive services. The cost of preventitive care is going up, this article blatantly said it in 3 different ways.

    • January 21, 2013 at 1:33 pm
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      I’m not trying to get in the middle of anything and say who is right and who is wrong, but I changed jobs last year and went from ridiculously good coverage to one of these high deductible plans and it’s been a bit of a challenge. But, I will say this. I am insulin resistant, NOT DIABETIC, but clearly I need to keep my health in check. While I am not saying I like my high deductible, it is a good reminder that I am not only in control of what I eat, but I am in control of what I pay my doctor for the frequent visits I have to make in order to ensure I am not making myself more sick. Since starting this high deductible plan, I’ve lost 18 pounds (in 6 months). And probably kept some money in my pocket at the same time. Funny what motivates us, huh? If I keep this up….I can probably get off of the medicine I am on thru continued exercise and a controlled diet and just go see that doctor 1 time per year. (More or less, I think there are different ways to look at the changes that are going to occur. And just like everything, they may not fit exactly what you want, but if you keep an open mind and a positive attitude, you can make the best of it.) Even though I do not like the high deductible plan, I am happy to have insurance because without it, I wouldn’t be able to afford the care I receive at all. Now, if you tell me that I will no longer be able to use an HSA or an HRA to offset some of these costs, THEN you might find me singing a different tune.

      • January 21, 2013 at 2:20 pm
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        Not complaining:

        Increased costs causing one to take care of themselves is not a form of efficiency in health care code.

        By comparison, let’s say the person didn’t lose weight, as many/most people in my opinion would not. They will then have to pay the government inflated costs.

        It is not good practice to raise costs with the intention that it “indirectly” result in better living habits. That is not the role of government. More to the point: It’s something that were this president republican, I guarantee you that you would change your tune if they said they would raise your costs and that then you would have to finally take care of yourselves. That’s an approach that gets both moderate republicans and plain democrats mad. It would probably get at least 90% of the population pissed to have a government say they would make living unafordable to change living styles.

        • January 21, 2013 at 5:34 pm
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          Bob said- “let’s say the person didn’t lose weight, as many/most people in my opinion would not. They will then have to pay the government inflated costs”.

          I am not sure Bob. I think this government would say- Don’t worry obese people who won’t eat well, lose weight or excercise, we will legislate the food for you. We are outlawing fast food. No more McDonalds, Burger King, Five Guys burger and fries. They are out of business. Hostess twinkies went bankrupt, why not you? 500,000 jobs will be lost but that is OK.

          * Then this administraion would set up “The Department of Obese people who are eating wrong” in Washington DC. They would staff it and hire 500,000 people and claim they created 500,000 new jobs.

          *Then they would meet in Washington, call in dieticians, professors, libtards and after 2 years they would legislate a proper eating bill which essentially says eat less, eat better food and exercise.

          *Then they would include pork in the bill like $100 million for the study of the snail darter in the Tennessee river and $500 million for the development of new energy thru the conversion of fly sh*t.

          * In order to cover the cost the US taxpayer would only need to pay another 2% in income tax or maybe a new federal sales tax. “But hey we are only going after the rich”

          * Then every tax paying, legal, US citizen who completes the questionaire properly andattached to you IRS 1040; which asks whether or not you are complying to the Obese people who eat wrong legislation, would get a 2% discount on their healthcare insurance. Of course your health insurance is 50% higher than last year. Oh, the illegal aliens and deadbeats on medicaid and welfare pay nothing.

          *Lastly, the libtards and friends of Barry would have a reception thrown by George “Looney” Clooney, drink Champagne and brag about all the wonderful things they have done.

          • January 21, 2013 at 7:08 pm
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            Sargent -

            The Department of Obese People is too large of a name.

            I guess at least you could say “oh, Jimmy got Duped (DOOP) by the government because he was too fat”.

            Hilarious post! Loved it.

          • January 21, 2013 at 7:25 pm
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            The Department of Too Large of Government Names

            Would then need

            The Department of Naming Scheme Letter Reduction

            But of course we might just end up needing

            The Department of Departing With Redundent Departments, Department

          • January 21, 2013 at 7:28 pm
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            And then of course the

            Department of International Department of Departments

            To manage departing and merging other redundent departments to other departments when the Departing With Redundent Departments, Department finds a redundent department

          • January 22, 2013 at 9:53 am
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            Bob, This “bloated” government is the Government of Too Large. Everytime we turn around, they are creating another bureaucracy. The DHS is sure to be one of the largest by the time they get through with us and fully implement Obamacare. Barry and friends are determined to run this country right into the ground. It is completely unsustainable, but they don’t care and will leave it to future generations to pay the tab. Small business is now in survival mode and are planning to drop their benefits and reluctantly throw their employees onto the exchange. Planet may not like his new “Exchange” policy when he gets it. He may have to tighten his belt with all that out of pocket expense and Medicaid styled coverage.

          • January 22, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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            Perhaps all those obese people can use their food stamps on Nutrisystem. They can all lose 80 pounds for $8 a day on the special diet. Nutrisystem can make a special offer to the government for $10 per day since the government always pays more than the private sector. Hey, they will even deliver it to the front door. No need to burn gas to go shopping.

        • January 22, 2013 at 9:32 am
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          Bob, by no means am I saying, jack up the cost of healthcare and people will suddenly mind their health better. My point was, I found a way to make a negative situation positive. Things are always evolving. The people who get left behind are going to be those that continue to moan and groan about it as opposed to getting off their butts and doing something about it. And above all, I look at my explanation of benefits statement everytime I get one in the mail. And even though my insurance is expensive, I see what it would cost me without it and I am continually greatful for what I have.

          • January 22, 2013 at 9:36 am
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            And you are killing me with the Department of International Department of Departments…lol…Where do I apply? Are the benefits good? :)

          • January 22, 2013 at 12:22 pm
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            Not Complaining:

            The thing to do about this is not buck up and accept it.

            It’s to go to the voting booths and actually vote with some thought.

            Some people with diabetes need injections, diet change won’t work.

            Some people with thyroid conditions will be larger.

            They need the government at their back, rather than manning up and accepting it they need to show their discontent in the polls.

          • January 22, 2013 at 12:23 pm
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            The benefits are great! Sign on up!

          • January 22, 2013 at 2:47 pm
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            I did vote. And I am happy with my choice. This is where we will have to agree to disagree I guess. :) (Please note, I’m not saying then that “my guy won and your guy didn’t so nanananana booboo.” I’m just not sure what to say when we live in a majority rules society. I’m not sure how we make every single person happy.)

          • January 22, 2013 at 2:48 pm
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            Please note, I’m saying that sincerely. I have no animosity towards you or the fact that we are having a healthy debate of thoughts. I appreciate what you are saying and think they are important points.

          • January 22, 2013 at 3:47 pm
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            Not Complaining:

            I’m aware you weren’t saying that. I noted that you are taking a passive role to fixing the government.

            We could have easily avoided this problem by voting for the other guy, so as to prevent the guy who put in place this tar from putting it in place.

            There are times in history where rather than stating you will do your own thing while tyranny gets out of control, that you take action against said tyranny.

            Voting is a right, one that should be excercised. I was aware that you were more passive to do with politics due to your comments.

          • January 22, 2013 at 4:46 pm
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            Trust me…there was nothing passive about my vote. I went out of my way to vote the way I did. I am from a red state, so to an extent, it didn’t even matter whom I voted for.

  • January 22, 2013 at 9:42 am
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    So Bob, Phil Mickelson, the famous golfer has lived in San Diego most of his life and is now contemplating moving to a friendlier state for taxes. Between his federal, state and local taxes, he is now paying roughly two thirds of his income in taxes. Sounds a lot like Europe doesn’t it? He chose to live there, but now the burden is so high, he is looking around and may move to Texas or Florida to escape excessive taxation. California is basically bankrupt even though imposing the tax burden on successful people. This is a prime example that big government doesn’t work. It runs people off that have been very successful because it confiscates their earnings. We will welcome him in Texas if he comes and he can enjoy the fruits of his labor and a much lower cost of living.

    • January 22, 2013 at 10:23 am
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      Agent,

      I saw that California recently “adjusted” the state income tax to 13.1%. California state income tax is now the highest in the nation. No wonder business and those who can move are leaving the state. This will do nothing to encourage people to stay or establish a business in California.

      • January 22, 2013 at 10:31 am
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        Phil is already a 1%er, so his individual rate is 39.6%. Add in the state and county/property and city taxes and you can see how he is being zapped. People and businesses have been leaving Taxifornia in droves for the past 4 years. The state will have fewer and fewer people to tax so their woes will continue to escalate. Enough is enough.

        • January 23, 2013 at 12:52 pm
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          Sargent, Tiger Woods was interviewed today and he agreed with Mickelson. He is no dummy having gone to Stanford. Apparently, he saw the handwriting on the wall back in 1996 and moved to Florida to escape the tax burden. He is worth about 5 times what Mickelson is worth and he has kept a lot more of his earnings by moving. Of course, his ex wife took him to the cleaners on the divorce, but that would have been about a wash with his tax savings over 15 years. As far as I am concerned, California can break off at the San Andreus fault and fall into the ocean.

    • January 22, 2013 at 10:26 am
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      I think we heard of a new Department of Business being contemplated so they can pick more winners and losers, give the green energy industry some more loans to make energy from algae and switchgrass. This department should only be 30,000 employees or so doing their micro managing of the economy.

    • January 22, 2013 at 12:24 pm
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      It’s crazy out there agent!

      • January 22, 2013 at 4:50 pm
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        Yes Bob, the paid blogger OklahomaAdjustor is a good example of crazy. He makes Captain Planet look mild by comparison. I don’t think he is a true Oklahoman because it is a very Conservative state. Some company from the N/E transferred him there and he is mad that most of the citizens up there don’t agree with his Progressive Socialist viewpoint.

    • January 22, 2013 at 12:49 pm
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      Sign me up for the lower cost of living.

      My house was $212,000 in WA. It’s even on the lower end in quality. It’s not even that great of a neighborhood. I got it as close to Mukilteo as possible, as I like the area. The same houses in Mukilteo are upwards of $400,000. I’m not even in that high of a cost of living bracket at that. But the point is that it’s normal in that area. They may work at Boeing making $90,000 a year roughly, but making $90,000 a year with a $400,000 mortgage is not better than making $50,000 a year with an $80,000 house.

    • January 22, 2013 at 3:11 pm
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      • January 22, 2013 at 3:54 pm
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        This is not a well thought out comment.

        I don’t make 300 million a year. And no matter how much I make the government should not make a goal of making my life more difficult or taking away the funds that I earn in comparison to someone else. That, no matter the reasoning and logic, is targeted bias in how you collect revenues. It’s class based. We are going to be fair in this society, thank you very much you whiny little brat.

        If we take 15% from the poor, we should take 15% from the rich.

        Now moving on: It’s all fun and games feeling no sympathy for people who have earned money, until you realize you are being a hate filled piece of crap, no different than racism, and are using the item of money to justify it. Go earn a living and stop asking for money from someone else. Pay for your own college. Get a job. Then manage your money and get a better job, or make a business. That’s what you should get in this country. Not college assistance, living assistance, and an enormous sum of money that you stole from someone else.

        Democrats claim until the cows come home that the rich are greedy for earning money. Well you are greedy for stealing it, you say that you NEED it just because. Rich people actually earned that money. They can’t just say I NEED AND DESERVE THIS!!!

        Forgive the rant, but I don’t tolerate liberal crap when it comes to what is “fair” with taxing, and what is “fair” when it comes to someone being wealthy. You envious piece of crap.

        • January 22, 2013 at 5:26 pm
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          Amen!!!

        • January 23, 2013 at 10:16 am
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          Well said!!! Lets start drug Testing these losers that keep sticking their hand out before we give them a dime.
          If they pass their drug test, put them to work on Community Service Projects picking up trash or cutting grass in the parks. Give them a chance to show case their work ethic.

        • January 23, 2013 at 10:34 am
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          Bob, consider the source. OKAJ.. need I say more?

        • January 24, 2013 at 8:06 am
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          Wow. Well said. (I don’t like being overtaxed either.)

      • January 22, 2013 at 3:55 pm
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        And Adjuster, when I said envious I don’t mean envious of me. I mean envious of wealth and the dollar.

        Believe me, you have no reason to be envious of me income wise.

      • January 22, 2013 at 3:58 pm
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        And adjuster:

        Considering we were talking about the government increasing the cost of living, what you are really saying here is:

        Poor Bob. He isn’t ok with his housing costs being $212,000 rather than $80,000, and he isn’t ok with making $60,000 instead of $40,000, he’d rather not have the government not increase his living costs so that when he retires his money is worth more?

        Because you clearly support government inflation why? Inflation hurts one type of people the most: ELDERLY RETIRED. Why? So some lazy bastard can say how he needs free college, a free ride, and some other rich guy’s money?

        • January 22, 2013 at 5:35 pm
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          Bob- Don’t forget, free iphone, tattoos and body piercings, $250.00 basketball shoes, free school lunchs, WIC, free cable, housing assistance i.e. “free rent”, free utilities, gold chains hanging all over their necks, Dubs on their wheels, etc etc, all while drawing welfare and medicaid for a second or third generation.

          • January 22, 2013 at 5:52 pm
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            I thought you might like to see who we are going to provide free Obamacare (I guess instead of free medicaid) for as well as welfare, iphones etc, etc, etc. A real downtrodden group of Obama Democrats. Check this out-

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arOGHY27JwI

          • January 23, 2013 at 12:42 pm
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            The new ruse is Social Security Disability. The country is adding about 11,000 each day getting on that gravy train. Unlike unemployment, Disability is for life and they have no intention of even looking for another job. Entitlements are insidious and people with a lazy streak in them have learned how to work the system to their advantage. This is called Redistribution of Wealth and making everyone equally poor.

          • January 24, 2013 at 6:01 pm
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            Careful Sargent. Shirley will call you a racist for your comments. Never mind that it is true, you can’t criticize the left crowd or they take it personally and let you have it. Just look at what the left media is trying to do to Phil Mickelson because he complained of two thirds of his income being confiscated by taxes by the Fed & California. He has now had to apologize for offending anyone. He is going to learn to keep his mouth shut, just put his home up for sale and move to Arizona or Texas where he can keep at least 13.1% more of his earnings.

    • January 23, 2013 at 12:59 pm
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      • January 23, 2013 at 2:43 pm
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        Some day the Richi Rich that writes your pay check is gonna figure out just how envious / ungratefull you are towards him. Then you will truely be an OBamanite sticking your hand out too. Still jelous of the people that excelled and then more bitter. After all, it is you that resents the people that write your paycheck.

        Something I learned in amrketing 101 – community college – know your audience. We are a bunch of small business people – not the Richie Riches you despise so much. We are the ones getting burried because OBAma stuck his uneducated (insurance wise) nose into private business. His arrogance of thinking he knows better then the people been doing it for years. Had he had any clue, Tort Reform would have been in the bill. But its not.

        So go ahead and resent the people that write your check, see where it gets you.

        • January 24, 2013 at 10:00 am
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          Hey FFA, If some of these bloggers like OKADJ and Shirley are working for big companies and their employers found out about their resentment and hate for successful companies/employers, I think they would be shown the door. These people don’t seem to understand that the employer pays their paycheck, much of the tax burden and other overhead expenses to operate a business. Maybe secretly, they are hoping to get fired, go on their 99 weeks unemployment, then apply for Social Security Disability and join the OWS crowd and sleep in tents. Sounds like a great lifestyle, doesn’t it? They have been brainwashed to believe that successful people are evil. The last time I checked, successful people is what made this country the most powerful economic engine the world has ever known.

          • January 24, 2013 at 10:25 am
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            I’ld kick his but to the curb and then fight paying him Workers Comp. His/her termination would be For Cause. They think just cause we write the checks, we got money falling out of our pockets. The few that excell to the Mill Bonus are few and far between. Preaching his BS resentfull spitefull crap in a blog where even the Principles are struggling.
            And I am stuck in this god awefull state because my wife dont want to move 50 miles away.
            Shift in the news the past few days, squatters are burning down buildings around the city.
            Lets wait for Shirley to justify that by bashing on his boss – the one who writes his check that pays his mortgage and give him the means to provide for his family.
            Guess the owner should have left the heat on in case someone needed a free place to stay – right Shirley?

          • January 24, 2013 at 11:08 am
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            I would fight Unemployment, not Workers Comp.
            Had Comp on my brain. My Nephew took a fall off a 15 ft ladder yesterday. Getting prepped for surgery to repair his knee and broken fore arm right now. Going to lay him up three months +.

      • January 24, 2013 at 8:14 am
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        While I agree that golf is boring to watch, it doesn’t change the fact that there is good money to be made playing. Someone’s watching because the sponsors wouldn’t spend the money if they didn’t think it would help sell their products.

        Anyway, more power to him for getting paid to play a game. I was never that good at any sport, so professional athlete was crossed off my list early. ;-)

        • January 24, 2013 at 5:52 pm
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          Golf is not boring to watch if you are a lifelong golfer and were bitten by the bug. It is about the only game one can play all their life and enjoy even if they don’t score well. By the way, the PGA Tour pays more into charitable causes than all the other sports combined. They started the First Tee program for kids and they not only teach golf, they teach values, respect for rules, honesty, work ethic and respect for elders. They also have scholarships for underprivileged kids so they can go to college. This is a most nobel cause and the kids don’t get that from school or at home anymore. They hope to reach 10 million kids in the next few years. See, there is something the private sector does better than a government solution.

      • February 4, 2013 at 3:28 pm
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        Excuse me? Have you ever tried to build enough capital to make a start up business?

        There is no way an average American sacrifices more. At all. The average American plays it safe, and doesn’t risk bankrupting themselves, failing, and spending the next 10 years digging themself out of a hole.

        They get the free ride after they put in work that 90% of Americans would simply not do. It’s obviously true, because why the hell haven’t you done it Shirley?

        The fact is that the rich is the ONLY reason there is tons of money for everyone else The rich build capital. If you tax away a majority of it, there is substantially less to go around.

        Imagine if you taxed a bank at 1% on their profits as an example. They could give loans to everyone. Now imagine you want to start a business. Where are you going to get the capital from smart ass?

        A rich guy who piled it up until he had enough to make an investment, and then hired people. If we taxed away all those capital reserves, there would be no capital to pay the average American.

        That’s not to say I hate the Average American. But you vastly over sell their role in society. Vastly.

        Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Society relies on THEM for those types of jobs. Not vice versa. If they had not have stepped up we wouldn’t have over 250,000 jobs that pay $100,000 a year.

  • January 22, 2013 at 9:50 am
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    Bob how about saying Jimmy got dooped by (DOPE) the Department of Obese PeoplE?

    • January 22, 2013 at 12:26 pm
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      By Golly you’re right!

      You don’t include the “of” in the acrnoyms.

      • January 23, 2013 at 1:01 pm
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        That’s true. I looked it up on the Department of Acronyms’ website

  • January 23, 2013 at 2:33 pm
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    Would that be the Department of Acronyms, Meanings and Notations or DAMN? I think that department reports to that real smart guy- Joe Biden

  • January 24, 2013 at 8:19 am
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    Don’t wait for your 2013 income to find out if your on the cusp, try 2012. Open enrollment begins in Oct. 2013. The last tax return you would have filed would have been for 2012. This is the return all of our new IRS agents will be monitoring to see if you qualify for a subsidy or if you will be providing the subsidy.

  • January 26, 2013 at 8:39 am
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    Slow down folks – let’s figure out what is happening to the health care industry. It boils down to this – health care in America will soon be run by the federal government and “we the people” will have no say in the matter. Get over it – we are no longer living in a free enterprise system – going “forward” your health care is out of your hands. You will buy and have what the government wants you to have. In a socialistic society doesn’t the state makes the decisions. I might add health care is only the beginning – the government will be telling about other free enterprise services they should and can protect you from as we go “forward”.

  • January 29, 2013 at 1:49 pm
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    I think it’s called communism it you ask me. What rights do WE have anymore?

    No Guns
    No Healthcare options
    No options to purchase healthcare if I understand correctly.



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