Good grief! What’s next? Sam Walton goes to church so Walmart is exempt?
These two companies, Hobby Lobby and Mardel, are for-profit businesses. And many of the so-called “Christian Charities” they donate to are suppliers, customers, the owner’s college alma mater, and even one is an affiliated company.
These are self-serving Christians, which come to think of it, is not Christian at all.
Libby, totally off topic, but have you read Dan Brown’s latest, “Inferno?”
The ending is a bit…ridiculous, but overall, it’s worth the read.
(If you have read his other books, there is no questioning it this time. He really goes after the Church for their stance on birth control. It’s pretty awesome.)
Yes, it’s called religious freedom. We have it in America. If your religion says you can’t eat pork, the government can’t force you to eat pork. If your religion says abortion is wrong, then then government shouldn’t be able to force you to pay for it directly.
The fact that you may be religious does not qualify your for-profit business as a religious institution and therefore exempt you from the law. And yes, the ACA is the law. You may not like it but just as any other law, you must follow it.
The rights guaranteed by the constitution are individual rights, not institutional rights. The owner of the company who pays for the insurance can not be forced to pay for something he finds contrary to his religion.
You are correct, Ned. Therefore, exemptions from Federal law based on your individual religious views should not apply to a for-profit institution. And the owner can, and will, be forced to include it in his health care program because that is the law. Don’t like it? Change the law.
July 2, 2013 at 12:02 pm
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Your for profit business, is your for profit business.
You don’t have to pay for birth control for anyone.
Disregarding religious morality, we shouldn’t be passing laws for businesses to cover birth control. Birth control costs more on an insurance plan than it does direct. This is not debatable.
The majority of the public is not ok with public funding of birth control.
This was a side stepping of public opinion on Obama’s part, which was wrong. He intentionally made it big business versus, religion, versus people. That in it’s own makes this inexcusable libby. It’s wrong. End of story.
Moving onward: Birth control is cheap. Pay for it yourself. In the rare circumstance that you require some sort of special birth control, well, your insurance is your insurance, you can opt to pay for your own insurance that will cover invasive birth control. Stop. Milking. The. System.
Along with prescribing contraceptives comes annual exams, which will increase the number of healthy women in America. There are also cost savings from avoiding unwanted pregnancies (birth control v. pre-natal, post-natal, and pediatric care.) Could lessen the number of dependants draining government social service programs. There are a myriad of positive benefits reaped by providing what is a relatively low-cost product.
Since it doesn’t cost more, the only objection you have is a moral one. Keep your morals out of my legislation.
July 3, 2013 at 11:31 am
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By the way, birth control is already free to the unemployed and poor. Well, it was 20 years ago. You could go to the health department and get your pills for free. So, let’s see, who was in office in late 1980’s?
(and yes, I know because I took advantage of it)
Perhaps adding birth control to the business insurance is a way of reducing what the government spends on birth control. I’m just throwing that out there, I don’t know and honestly, this issue is so minor, I just don’t care.
July 3, 2013 at 11:34 am
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And before anyone gets on the keep your legs together high horse, I was married.
July 3, 2013 at 3:16 pm
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Bob, I would much rather pay for birth control than welfare.
Keep. It. In. Your. Pants.
July 1, 2013 at 11:06 am
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I thought the issue was birth control? How did you leap to abortion?
The government isn’t forcing anyone to use contraceptives or birth control. The law simply requires it to be among the many things that are covered. As far as the pork example, tax dollars do fund things such as school lunches, food stamps, which may include pork. Does that mean that members of certain religions should no longer have to pay any taxes, since they are against the consumption of pork? Most religions are against murder (at least that’s what they claim), but the members of those religions still have to pay for wars. The religious excuse doesn’t hold water.
So FFA, what do you think about the White House announcing that businesses do not have to do the mandated coverage until 2015 now? Do you think it may have something to do with the 2014 mid terms? Businesses will not be fined/taxed until 2015. Isn’t that great? The Individual mandate is still planned for 1-1-14, but the exchanges are in big trouble everywhere and will be inadequate to handle the influx of new PreX applicants eager to get coverage so they can file claims right away. It looks like Hobby Lobby and Mardels will have some more time while they fight their case.
July 3, 2013 at 2:16 pm
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Well agent, just another year to argue the same old same old instead of figuring out how to get people back to work meanwhile giving the big companies time to figure out how to get around this mess.
So, we get another year to argue with each other about how its not going to work instead of arguing how its not working.
June 28, 2013 at 6:12 pm
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Libby,
Let’s say for example you are a vegetarian. In that case, would it be okay if the government required you to buy steaks for your employees every month? Couldn’t your employees buy their own steaks if they wanted? I applaud Hobby Lobby for taking on our over reaching government.
By your post I’m going to assume that you are not a Christian (please correct me if I’m wrong). I find it interesting that those who attack Christians for their moral convictions seem to know better as to what it is to be a Christian. In your case these “self-serving” Christians aren’t Christian at all. Please explain to me then, what it means to be a Christian.
I did not attack them for their moral conviction, but I’m doubting they have much. I clearly stated what my objection was. It was the fact that they’re a for-profit business and therefore should not be exempt from the law. And like it or not, the ACA is the law.
My other remark was directed at the “charitable” donations they give to their suppliers, customers, college alma mater, and one of their own companies. While an acceptable business practice, publishing it on your website to prove your piety is self-serving. And self-serving is the opposite of what Christian behavior is supposed to be.
A law that is wrong is wrong. A law that is freshly passed, that is wrong, is law.
Like it or not, the patriot act is law. Oh wait, you don’t.
Sorry libby, that childish form of arguing isn’t going to fly.
If you own a business, you don’t have to buy someone’s birth control. Morally, that’s wrong. It speaks volumes towards your ehtics that you think they should be under your control. Clearly they don’t have much morality for not paying for your birth control? #%@#% you. That’s all I have to say there. If I hired you, I wouldn’t pay for your birth control. If you fought with me about it, you’d be a disrespectful piece of trash, and I’d fire you. Even if the government came after me, morally, I would be in the right. It’s my business. I make the choice.
But to liberals, well, they keep saying how they are getting “2%@%@#ed”. No. You’re not. I’m tired of the cries. We live in the 2000’s. The poorest in our country have flat screen tv’s, computers, cell phones, and will be treated on the spot if they need it. If you hate the way business works for the people here, you are more than welcome to go to a government policed communist country, you ignorant ungrateful leech. Stop insulting business, stop insulting the morality of business in our country, and stop asking for other to take care of your bills. Put your big boy pants on, and stop trying to get whatever you can out of the government (everyone else)
Bob – you’re right, the law is the law. And the ACA is the law, so why don’t you put your big boy pants on and quit whining about it? It’s cheaper to include birth control than not, so that is not an argument. Period. End of story.
Your morals do not HAVE to be my morals in this country. I do not insult your right to have your morals, just what you think is your right to try to shove them down my throat. If I have no morals, then I will be the one answering for that, not you. So I suggest you keep your condemnation and insults to yourself or you might find yourself right beside me at the pearly gates. Read your post and see for yourself how uncharitable and un-Christian it sounds. You are a disgrace to Christianity.
July 3, 2013 at 11:39 am
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Just about every law has offended or been called “wrong” by someone. Why should we listen to your opinion? Yes, it is your opinion. SCOTUS allowed the law to continue, therefore, your opinion has no weight.
July 3, 2013 at 2:18 pm
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Well JW, stop reading the IJ if you don’t want to listen to people – me included – rant about the same old same old.
July 3, 2013 at 5:33 pm
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Slightly off topic, but “the poorest in our country have flat screen tv’s, computers, cell phones, and will be treated on the spot if they need it.” If a medical emergency, the poorest among us will be treated on the spot. However, I do a lot of mission work with my church in the area (Appalachian mountains), and while there are definitely people on welfare who have a nicer cell phone than I do, I have helped many people with dirt floors, no running water, and can’t pay their electricity from week to week (for heat, not for television). It’s a bit of a pet peeve of mine to say that all people have flat screen televisions or smart phones. Sorry for the rabbit trail.
July 3, 2013 at 9:50 pm
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FFA, why DO we keep beating the same horse? It’s dead. If you’re not going to change anyone’s mind, why bother with the rants?
By the way, I don’t really care, I just like messing with bob.
July 3, 2013 at 9:56 pm
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Hey, Kev1n, thanks for speaking up. I only have second hand knowledge from my church and got the impression that the mountain folk are not living high on the hog. While there may be some welfare people who have more than I do, I’d be willing to bet those are the ones selling drugs or stolen property. No income trail on that.
July 5, 2013 at 12:43 pm
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Yes, Kev1n, thanks for speaking up. While people without health insurance may be able to receive free emergency treatment, this is not what is meant by “healthcare coverage.” The last time I went to the ER was when I broke some ribs. They xrayed me, gave me an rx, and told me to follow up with my PCP. There was no follow up care.
In addition, many, many illnesses and diseases are not emergencies until they are too late. But these same ailments could have been detected or prevented with regulary medical treatment and check-ups. That is what is meant by providing “healthcare” to our citizens.
Not putting a band-aid on a gaping wound and sending you on your way.
July 8, 2013 at 6:18 pm
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jw asked -“FFA, why DO we keep beating the same horse? It’s dead. If you’re not going to change anyone’s mind, why bother with the rants?”
That’s a good question. If any one sees a shrink, please do ask.
I seem to find some common ground with everyone on here. Maybe because I win some and then I lose some.
Besides, I like to know whats going on elsewhere in the good ole USA! Small hick town Wis Population under 200 had a better fire works display then did Wis Dells. HMMM. A humble town that takes care of their own.
July 3, 2013 at 5:02 pm
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FFA, You will never convince our left leaning Independent Metric Ron that it’s not working no matter how much evidence there is out there. Everyone but him, Libby & Celtica on this site thinks it is the best thing since sliced bread. Their Progressive Health Care dream is coming apart at the seams and they think it just needs a little tweaking to get it right. Perhaps the administration could start by throwing all the 12,000+ pages of regulations in the incinerator and then trim back the bill by about 2,600 pages and that would be a good start.
Agent – I don’t know whether this bill is the “greatest thing since sliced bread” or not. But the idea of making sure ALL citizens, regardless of financial means, have access to quality healthcare is very, very important to me. This is a step in the right direction as far as I’m concerned, as no-one else has been able to come close to getting this idea to a reality.
Will things have to evolve, change, and be amended? Of course. Anthing of this magnitude is going to have kinks to work out. Maybe it will turn out to be a bigger burden on business than can be tolerated. If so, we will have to keep working to change it. But it’s not going away, so I suggest you get on “let’s do what we can to make it work bandwagon” to save yourself alot of stress and grief that may lead you to have to use your own healthcare coverage in the near future.
And yes, I pay for my own benefits through my employer group health plan and have since I began working.
July 1, 2013 at 11:10 am
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Todd, this is slightly off topic, but boasting about your good works is not what Jesus had in mind. That is what I would call “self serving christian”. Just my opinion.
FFA, you got hit on your 941 just like I did. I don’t mind paying my taxes as long as the money is spent wisely, but that day is long past. It really chaps me that so much of our tax money is wasted by this administration, Congress, bureaucrats. Government is far too big and intrusive. This bill is the mother of all intrusive legislation in our lifetime.
FFA – didn’t you say your income is up compared to this time last year? So why wouldn’t your 941 be higher? Is the dollar amount higher or the percentage amount? $12k doesn’t really mean anything without putting it into context.
when I do my comparison 12 vs 13, I’ll let you know. I asked my guy for a number – what I owe nothing more.
Up or down, its a hard check to write to a bunch of knuckle heads that don’t know the meaning of the word Fiscal Restraint. Even my wife – I spent $600 on groceries for a 5 day trip with my grand kids and we brought home three full coolers
I agree. Any tax check is hard to write when you have no say in where the money goes. Being married with no kids, my tax is higher than for a family of 4. I have to pay for everyone else’s kids to go to school, use recreational facilities, etc. Been a pet peeve of mine for forever, but I understand that is part of living in society.
As a kid, I remember my G Pa bitchin about having to pay school taxes on the property tax bill Its always been that way, it will always be that way. Just a fact of life.
My wife buys all them groceries here in IL when we could have hit Walmart in WI and NOT PAID SALES TAX on the food items.
July 9, 2013 at 2:38 pm
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What’s wrong with her??? Does she work?
July 9, 2013 at 4:20 pm
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What’s wrong with her????? She is a compulsive over packer. “You never Know” she says.
Yes, she does work – she baby sits my gr kids all day long because my daughter is a lazy ass. She is one of the people we all complain about taking advantage of the system. No Pride.
July 9, 2013 at 4:23 pm
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Being a compulsive overpacker is one thing. Being plain stupid and not taking advantage of saving 6-8% on groceries is another. I thought your daughter was working now…
June 28, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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I’m still amazed – with all the issues in America – some folks think abortion is the main problem we face in this country.
FFA, This administration has been concentrating on the wrong issues. The Pew Research Poll proves that Americans want action on jobs, improving the economy, decreasing their health care costs, not increasing them by mandating birth control or abortion coverage. The hard core left wants a total entitlement society where everything is provided to them. Who is to pay, but hard working Americans like you and me. I am sick of it.
Pray tell. There have been hundreds of bills rejected that congress put forward for jobs. Hundreds for cutting farm subsidies. Subsidies which then Obama campainged in a subsidy heavy state saying that Ryan would get rid of their subsidies! Oh no!
Then he went to Ohio, he would let you guys go bankrupt (lie) oh no!
Concentrating on the wrong issues? The congress? Every chance Obama gets he makes a hot issue to try and pass some idiotic law, then blames the republicans that it didn’t get passed. Gun control:
Flake for example was made public enemy number one, because he didn’t like the democrat Manchin-Toomey background check ammendment and instead voted for the S.649. You democrats haven’t heard of the S.649 bacgkround expansion ammendment suggestion. Why? As soon as republicans didn’t vote for Manchin-Toomey, Obama put out campaign bills saying how Friend, special interests won today, that Massacre in Conneticut will never be averted, why oh why won’t they vote for gun control???
The birth control: Public doesn’t like publicly funded birth control? Well public doesn’t like business and churches. Why not make a law through there eh? He ignited a class war. This issue of whether or not companies cover birth control is the tiniest of concerns / costs for the American people. It will not change their lives drastically. And Obama made it a big deal. You can say so did the Chrisitans, but they didn’t pass the bill and start the war intentionally. They defended.
I have examples. It IS this administration trying to make problems. I just listed half a dozen examples, not including other jobs bills they tried to pass. You democrats are plainly in the wrong currently, so stop trying to defend it.
July 2, 2013 at 1:34 pm
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Oh really Bob? If the Republicans are putting forward “hundreds of bills” in the Republican controlled House, who is rejecting those bills? Um, the Republican controlled House, that’s who. Your argument is circular and invalid.
And I’m sorry, trying 37+ times to repeal the PPACA is WASTING TIME. Don’t you dare tell me the Republican Congress is being productive. That’s just plain BS.
July 2, 2013 at 2:25 pm
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I am glad you added (just)in your post. Our government is dysfunctional and corrupt from top to bottom, Executive, Legislative and Judicial, the Bureaucracy all are doing things Americans don’t want and trying to force feed the people their agenda which is all wrong. There is an old saying that is still true – It’s the economy, stupid. Stop with all the social engineering and do the right thing for the folks.
July 2, 2013 at 2:48 pm
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Agent:
And I’m glad to hear you including both sides in your rant about a dysfunctional, corrupt government. It’s about time.
July 3, 2013 at 11:44 am
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bob, one last question on birth control. Are there any polls or surveys that clearly state the PUBLIC is against this part of the ACA? I don’t remember reading about any, but maybe I just missed it.
I’m NOT asking about the ACA in general. I want to know about how the public has responded to questions about birth control. See, the feds already pay for it, so I’m just confused as to why this is a big deal now.
July 3, 2013 at 3:21 pm
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jw, I was wondering the same thing. But, Bob HATES women. HATES women. So in his reality, 100% of society doesn’t want to pay for anything to do with a woman’s reproductive system (good or bad). I bet he cries foul when Kotex offers coupons for their feminine product. “Pay full price!” says Bob! No discounts for you!
July 3, 2013 at 3:27 pm
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JW, I love women. So lets all gather in Wis Dells this week end for some Fun Filled Action! No need to worry about birth control – I am responsible.
July 3, 2013 at 10:01 pm
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FFA, you’re funny. I’m older than dirt and don’t have to worry about birth control. While I find your invitation charming, I’ll pass.
July 5, 2013 at 1:02 pm
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FFA, you crack me up!
June 28, 2013 at 3:14 pm
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The court decision gets into a lot of detail the the IJ story doesn’t (and can’t without boring people). Hobby needed to show more than just “they attend church”. There was a lot of criteria that needed to be met. It should be noted that they were not objecting to all insurance coverage for contraceptives, they object to covering abortions and the day-after pill. This is an issue that I could argue for and against both sides of the problem.
I do my best to not know health care rules (I’m P&C now and not going back to health), so I’m a little surprised by your comment. The ACA includes abortion coverage?
Yes Libby, I am sick of this government trying to impose its will upon the people, passing legislation that will harm the country, taxing us to death, sending money and arms to people who hate us, having one scandal after another with bureaucrats who keep taking the 5th amendment instead of coming clean about their crimes. This country is in a shambles and needs a house cleaning from top to bottom. Call it a rant if you will. The truth will set us free.
I don’t like alot of it either, Agent. Unfortunately, it’s how are system works. We elect the people we think will do the job and represent OUR best interests (their constituents). But when they do not, we have no recourse other than vote them out. Unfortunately, most people do not pay attention to the job their elected officials have been doing and nothing changes. I would love to see term limits for Congress and the ability to boot someone out of office for campaigning on a pack of lies or being incompetent in the job. That would be a good start.
Its the trickle down AX theory. Start at the top and work down!
They have proved the Peter Principle theory to be accurate.
July 2, 2013 at 5:07 pm
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Recall petitions are gaining in popularity. They have one started in Arizona for McCain & Flake and I understand there is one circulating for some of your guys in Colorado. I don’t know how many signatures it takes to get a recall election in these states, but it is a good idea and hopefully some of these guys will not survive a recall election. The unions tried to do it in Wisconsin and it didn’t work out so well for them.
That guy in WI is pretty sharp all the way around. Knows what the hard decisions are and makes them. How many states have balanced budgets????
July 3, 2013 at 11:48 am
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Term limits for congress would be an excellent start. Once they’ve been there for 2 or 2 election cycles they quit doing anything productive. And as someone already said, the sheeple keep voting them in. I’m so aggravated I’m using bad grammer.
And I said “2 or 2”. Should be “2 or 3” I do not like politicians.
June 28, 2013 at 4:02 pm
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Well, they haven’t won yet. And I’ll reiterate my initial post that both companies are for-profit entities and therefore not entitled to any “religious” exemption. Just because they pander to Christians doesn’t make them Christian.
Yes, Matthew was one of the worst of the lot before he saw the light with Jesus. He then became a great disciple. The current IRS is the most corrupt, overbearing agency in the Federal Government who thinks they are not accountable to the people.
so let’s see, if I am part of a religion that doesn’t allow/want immunizations for children, then I shouldn’t have to offer that as part of my company’s healthcare plan? Why should Hobby Lobby be allowed to force their religious beliefs onto their employees??
Because they write their pay checks. IF they don’t like it, they can find another job if DC would stop worrying about Gay Marriage, Gun Control, Green Energy in Africa and concentrate on JOBS!!!!!
Bet the folks in congress would reconcile their differences to solve that issue.
I have never seen Hobby Lobby say they are dictating any thing to any one. All I have ever seen is they don’t want to pay for BC.
So roughhouse, go ahead – drop your pants – have a blast – or not. Either way, its your right – its your life. Enjoy it any way you see fit – just don’t make me pay for it.
so FFA you are pretty much saying Hobby Lobby is telling their employees, no birth control, therefore only have sex when you want to procreate?? Hobby Lobby opens this up and next you you know, they will not be allowing their medical insurance to be paying for additional medical procedures, prescriptions that they don’t believe in. This country is no longer free. Separation of Church and State no longer exists. What I believe in is my own PERSONAL belief and I should not be forced to endure the beliefs of someone only because they are the employer.
No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying if I am writing the check to cover the Employer share, then I should be able to choose from options to offer my employees.
I am also saying that I carried the burden of Birth Control for my self. I am past my baby making days. I am done paying for it. Now I have to pay for someone elses through higher premiums.
And I have not seen anything that would indicate that hobby Lobby dictates and off the clock behavior. All they I have seen is that they don’t want to pay for Birth Control. Nor have I seen any of their employees speaking out against the management on this issue.
Employees are happy to have a job. A job with Medical Insurance is even better then just a pay check. As an extra bonus -something very rare in retail – they have Sundays off.
I am also saying – not pretty much, but very direct – that the folks in DC need to worry about getting people back to work instead of yutzing around with this and all these other issues that do not create jobs and end up costing Joe / Jane tax payer more and more in legal fees. How much money has been spent defending this?
My objection is not on Religious Grounds. Its strictly Financial. My argument is one of Personal Responsibility.
FFA, Isn’t it interesting how our left leaning friends interpret what is going on? By the way, I have not seen any publicity, pictures of Hobby Lobby or Mardels employees picketing their stores demanding their birth control pills or demanding abortion rights. They seem to be happy working for a highly successful employer who does provide benefits to them as well as paying them competitively. So what if they have to fork over a little money for pills. It is not much more than an office visit copay and the plan pays for all the big illnesses/surgeries etc.
July 3, 2013 at 10:08 pm
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So, FFA, if Libby is correct and the premiums are lower (I DON’T KNOW IF SHE’S RIGHT), would you then be okay including it in your insurance plan?
July 5, 2013 at 1:18 pm
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Agent – I am sure they would be in fear of losing their jobs if they spoke up about this.
FFA – I checked an anonymous employee survey from HL employees. Only 29% would recommend the company to a friend, 42% approve of the CEO, and overall (regarding hours, salary, benefits, and opportunity) it ranked 2.4 out of 5 stars. Not really a glowing review.
July 8, 2013 at 5:23 pm
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JW, I would change my position if Libby is correct. However, I have been around long enough to know nothing is free. Long enough to know that when the Govt sticks their nose in Private Business, cost go up.
Their house is not in order, I do not need their advice as I work to get / keep my house in order.
A point to note – my employees are against it as they fear cost will increase.
Yes – I had to break from my rule and put the new producer on 30+ hours a week. She too has no interest in Free Birth Control.
And Libby, your figures indicate that Hobby Lobby isn’t the worst employer out there and nor are they the best. 2. out of 5.0. Right in the meaty part of the curve.
July 9, 2013 at 12:51 pm
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FFA – it is not “free” birth control, OK??? All the law says is that birth control has to be included in your health insurance plan. You still have to pay a premium for the coverage.
If birth control for 20 women eliminates just one from going through a pregnancy, it has to be cheaper! You’re talking about maybe $1,200 a year v. $8,800 for the delivery alone. That does not include pre and post-natal care and pediatric care for the child.
Does that perhaps make you consider changing your opinion???
July 9, 2013 at 2:19 pm
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Libby, Great theory. I am going to wait and see how it plays out. My guess – if its the Govt pulling the strings, well you know….. Them A$# H*&%$ need to stop butting in.
BTW, BC is free through my County Health Department. I have three Grand Children as a testimony as to how effective it is. My new producer too the free pill and had a stoke at 23. S*&^ probably made in Taiwan.
July 3, 2013 at 8:35 am
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Great point, Concerned! I wonder what The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster would have to say about all of this.
Since when did Christianity stop teaching moral decisions are to be left to the individual?
Exactly and FFA, perhaps this is the only job the employee could find in this economy!! The employee isn’t asking for Sundays off and may be more than willing to work on a Sunday, at least they are staying or trying to stay off of additional government programs ie food stamps, welfare etc
Hobby Lobby can’t really call themselves pro-life, can they? They aren’t really caring for the lives of the female employees who need this coverage. I’d say they are more anti-choice.
And, what if sex is one of your hobbies? Hardly Hobby Lobby, then. More like Hobby Robby. Ba-dum, chish!
I saw the replacement for Paula Dean on an email picture today. She is about 25, blonde and has curves in all the right places. If it were true, the Food Network will set records for viewership. Who cares if she can cook?
Your comment about the new spokesperson for the Food Network kills me Agent. Do you REALLY think a network that has 65% women viewing vs. 35% men and the target demographic is women is really going to pick a spokesperson based on looks? You really are out of touch.
Nebraskan, perhaps they would pick up a lot of male viewers if they did this. It might be closer to 50/50. Call me out of touch if you will. Golf Channel increased the viewership of Morning Drive 50% by bringing Holly Sonders on board.
July 8, 2013 at 12:27 pm
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Hey Agent, how’s that binder full of women doing these days you old relic?
July 8, 2013 at 1:56 pm
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To increase the viewership of the Food Network by having a pretty girl teach you how to cook is geared towards a male demographic. The majority of viewers of the Food Network are WOMEN. Bringing on a pretty girl to the Golf Channel probably brought on more male viewers, which was probably already their main demographic. Agent, if that’s what you are, you should know it’s more expensive to go after new business than it is to retain. Again, you are really out of touch.
July 8, 2013 at 4:44 pm
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Ned – flashing back to Comm College Marketing 101 – the number one selling product of all time is – SEX.
Jow much of that 65% young women are Lesbian?
July 5, 2013 at 1:23 pm
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You continue to crack me up, FFA. Hope you’re having a great holiday weekend on the lake. Sounds like you and the Mrs. might be working on a hobby of your own this weekend!
You feminists really take the cake (excuse the pun). Are you jealous of an attractive woman hosting a TV show? No wonder you don’t watch Fox since they have an unending supply of smart, hot women on their programming. Last week, Fox announced that Megyn Kelly would have a new prime time show when she returned from maternity leave. I am guessing that Greta Van Sustryn may lose her spot since O’Reilly and Hannity are well entrenched.
I has a good break that’s for sure. sign of the Economic Hardships, Wis Dells were for the most part empty. Not much of a wait for the go carts or even water parks.
FFA, I don’t think many women were ogling Paula Dean when she had the show. I guess Paula was non threatening to them. Libby and Nebraskan are upset that the guys like seeing the attractive women on programming. Women tend to be hypocritical of attractive women, but secretly would like to have some of that feminine appeal.
Agent – probably not. And your right, I have some pretty smoking hot gal pals that people get offended while they are around. One in particular – Ive known her since grade school. One of the nicest people around but still draws negative energy even from some of the women that knew her as long as I have. Was surprised my wife took to her like she did.
FFA, it is called jealousy. The hot, attractive women tend to be the queen bee where they are the center of attention and the plain Jane’s are the supporting cast and they don’t like that much. By the way, women ogle hot guys too. My wife’s favorite is Mark Harmon and she cannot miss NCIS under any circumstances.
July 9, 2013 at 12:41 pm
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Agent – I have no problem with good-looking sexy women and will even comment on them to my husband. We know you look and fantasize. You’re all the same in that regard.
What I object to is the sexual objectification of women, which if you didn’t know is:
“Sexual objectification is the act of treating a person merely as an instrument of sexual pleasure, making them a “sex object”. Objectification more broadly means treating a person as a commodity or an object, without regard to their personality or dignity. Objectification is most commonly examined at the level of a society, but can also refer to the behavior of individuals.”
Your comment of “She is about 25, blonde and has curves in all the right places” is an objectification, as you said nothing about her qualifications to host a food network show.
Understand the difference now? We don’t have a problem with beautiful women. We have a problem with ignorant men.
I got tired of being ornery and depressed all the time.
My wife gave me a swift kick where it counts. Changed my attitude considerably since we first chatted.
Be mad today – get over it tomorrow. Working out pretty good.
July 9, 2013 at 4:25 pm
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Good for her! We all need one once in a while. Life is too short for all that nonsense. Be mad. Get over it. Move on. Enjoy life.
July 18, 2013 at 11:19 am
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It was meant to be a joke Libby which is what the picture depicted. However, I have no problem watching any show or news broadcast where there is a beautiful, smart woman as the host. It certainly beats some of the liberal line up who seems to foster unattractive women with unattractive ideas.
July 3, 2013 at 2:52 pm
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@ Scott, that’s where you’re wrong. All the issues in America and the world at large for that matter are due to mans fall from God and turning away from his grace. If a woman is willing to kill her own child, what does that say for the state of humanity?
Good grief! What’s next? Sam Walton goes to church so Walmart is exempt?
These two companies, Hobby Lobby and Mardel, are for-profit businesses. And many of the so-called “Christian Charities” they donate to are suppliers, customers, the owner’s college alma mater, and even one is an affiliated company.
These are self-serving Christians, which come to think of it, is not Christian at all.
Libby, totally off topic, but have you read Dan Brown’s latest, “Inferno?”
The ending is a bit…ridiculous, but overall, it’s worth the read.
(If you have read his other books, there is no questioning it this time. He really goes after the Church for their stance on birth control. It’s pretty awesome.)
I have it at home, but haven’t started reading it yet. I’ll pick it up this weekend. I love his books!
Yes, it’s called religious freedom. We have it in America. If your religion says you can’t eat pork, the government can’t force you to eat pork. If your religion says abortion is wrong, then then government shouldn’t be able to force you to pay for it directly.
The fact that you may be religious does not qualify your for-profit business as a religious institution and therefore exempt you from the law. And yes, the ACA is the law. You may not like it but just as any other law, you must follow it.
The rights guaranteed by the constitution are individual rights, not institutional rights. The owner of the company who pays for the insurance can not be forced to pay for something he finds contrary to his religion.
You are correct, Ned. Therefore, exemptions from Federal law based on your individual religious views should not apply to a for-profit institution. And the owner can, and will, be forced to include it in his health care program because that is the law. Don’t like it? Change the law.
Your for profit business, is your for profit business.
You don’t have to pay for birth control for anyone.
Disregarding religious morality, we shouldn’t be passing laws for businesses to cover birth control. Birth control costs more on an insurance plan than it does direct. This is not debatable.
The majority of the public is not ok with public funding of birth control.
This was a side stepping of public opinion on Obama’s part, which was wrong. He intentionally made it big business versus, religion, versus people. That in it’s own makes this inexcusable libby. It’s wrong. End of story.
Moving onward: Birth control is cheap. Pay for it yourself. In the rare circumstance that you require some sort of special birth control, well, your insurance is your insurance, you can opt to pay for your own insurance that will cover invasive birth control. Stop. Milking. The. System.
Buy. Your. Own. Stuff.
It is debatable, Bob. Statistically NOT including contraception increases the cost of insurance. Read it and weep:
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/02/13/cost-contraception-in-insurance-plans-what-data-say/
http://business.time.com/2012/02/14/why-free-birth-control-will-not-hike-the-cost-of-your-insurance/
Along with prescribing contraceptives comes annual exams, which will increase the number of healthy women in America. There are also cost savings from avoiding unwanted pregnancies (birth control v. pre-natal, post-natal, and pediatric care.) Could lessen the number of dependants draining government social service programs. There are a myriad of positive benefits reaped by providing what is a relatively low-cost product.
Since it doesn’t cost more, the only objection you have is a moral one. Keep your morals out of my legislation.
By the way, birth control is already free to the unemployed and poor. Well, it was 20 years ago. You could go to the health department and get your pills for free. So, let’s see, who was in office in late 1980’s?
(and yes, I know because I took advantage of it)
Perhaps adding birth control to the business insurance is a way of reducing what the government spends on birth control. I’m just throwing that out there, I don’t know and honestly, this issue is so minor, I just don’t care.
And before anyone gets on the keep your legs together high horse, I was married.
Bob, I would much rather pay for birth control than welfare.
Keep. It. In. Your. Pants.
I thought the issue was birth control? How did you leap to abortion?
The government isn’t forcing anyone to use contraceptives or birth control. The law simply requires it to be among the many things that are covered. As far as the pork example, tax dollars do fund things such as school lunches, food stamps, which may include pork. Does that mean that members of certain religions should no longer have to pay any taxes, since they are against the consumption of pork? Most religions are against murder (at least that’s what they claim), but the members of those religions still have to pay for wars. The religious excuse doesn’t hold water.
No. But they are forcing me to pay for it through higher premiums.
It’s actually cheaper, FFA.
So FFA, what do you think about the White House announcing that businesses do not have to do the mandated coverage until 2015 now? Do you think it may have something to do with the 2014 mid terms? Businesses will not be fined/taxed until 2015. Isn’t that great? The Individual mandate is still planned for 1-1-14, but the exchanges are in big trouble everywhere and will be inadequate to handle the influx of new PreX applicants eager to get coverage so they can file claims right away. It looks like Hobby Lobby and Mardels will have some more time while they fight their case.
Well agent, just another year to argue the same old same old instead of figuring out how to get people back to work meanwhile giving the big companies time to figure out how to get around this mess.
So, we get another year to argue with each other about how its not going to work instead of arguing how its not working.
Libby,
Let’s say for example you are a vegetarian. In that case, would it be okay if the government required you to buy steaks for your employees every month? Couldn’t your employees buy their own steaks if they wanted? I applaud Hobby Lobby for taking on our over reaching government.
By your post I’m going to assume that you are not a Christian (please correct me if I’m wrong). I find it interesting that those who attack Christians for their moral convictions seem to know better as to what it is to be a Christian. In your case these “self-serving” Christians aren’t Christian at all. Please explain to me then, what it means to be a Christian.
I did not attack them for their moral conviction, but I’m doubting they have much. I clearly stated what my objection was. It was the fact that they’re a for-profit business and therefore should not be exempt from the law. And like it or not, the ACA is the law.
My other remark was directed at the “charitable” donations they give to their suppliers, customers, college alma mater, and one of their own companies. While an acceptable business practice, publishing it on your website to prove your piety is self-serving. And self-serving is the opposite of what Christian behavior is supposed to be.
A law that is wrong is wrong. A law that is freshly passed, that is wrong, is law.
Like it or not, the patriot act is law. Oh wait, you don’t.
Sorry libby, that childish form of arguing isn’t going to fly.
If you own a business, you don’t have to buy someone’s birth control. Morally, that’s wrong. It speaks volumes towards your ehtics that you think they should be under your control. Clearly they don’t have much morality for not paying for your birth control? #%@#% you. That’s all I have to say there. If I hired you, I wouldn’t pay for your birth control. If you fought with me about it, you’d be a disrespectful piece of trash, and I’d fire you. Even if the government came after me, morally, I would be in the right. It’s my business. I make the choice.
But to liberals, well, they keep saying how they are getting “2%@%@#ed”. No. You’re not. I’m tired of the cries. We live in the 2000’s. The poorest in our country have flat screen tv’s, computers, cell phones, and will be treated on the spot if they need it. If you hate the way business works for the people here, you are more than welcome to go to a government policed communist country, you ignorant ungrateful leech. Stop insulting business, stop insulting the morality of business in our country, and stop asking for other to take care of your bills. Put your big boy pants on, and stop trying to get whatever you can out of the government (everyone else)
Bob – you’re right, the law is the law. And the ACA is the law, so why don’t you put your big boy pants on and quit whining about it? It’s cheaper to include birth control than not, so that is not an argument. Period. End of story.
Your morals do not HAVE to be my morals in this country. I do not insult your right to have your morals, just what you think is your right to try to shove them down my throat. If I have no morals, then I will be the one answering for that, not you. So I suggest you keep your condemnation and insults to yourself or you might find yourself right beside me at the pearly gates. Read your post and see for yourself how uncharitable and un-Christian it sounds. You are a disgrace to Christianity.
Just about every law has offended or been called “wrong” by someone. Why should we listen to your opinion? Yes, it is your opinion. SCOTUS allowed the law to continue, therefore, your opinion has no weight.
Well JW, stop reading the IJ if you don’t want to listen to people – me included – rant about the same old same old.
Slightly off topic, but “the poorest in our country have flat screen tv’s, computers, cell phones, and will be treated on the spot if they need it.” If a medical emergency, the poorest among us will be treated on the spot. However, I do a lot of mission work with my church in the area (Appalachian mountains), and while there are definitely people on welfare who have a nicer cell phone than I do, I have helped many people with dirt floors, no running water, and can’t pay their electricity from week to week (for heat, not for television). It’s a bit of a pet peeve of mine to say that all people have flat screen televisions or smart phones. Sorry for the rabbit trail.
FFA, why DO we keep beating the same horse? It’s dead. If you’re not going to change anyone’s mind, why bother with the rants?
By the way, I don’t really care, I just like messing with bob.
Hey, Kev1n, thanks for speaking up. I only have second hand knowledge from my church and got the impression that the mountain folk are not living high on the hog. While there may be some welfare people who have more than I do, I’d be willing to bet those are the ones selling drugs or stolen property. No income trail on that.
Yes, Kev1n, thanks for speaking up. While people without health insurance may be able to receive free emergency treatment, this is not what is meant by “healthcare coverage.” The last time I went to the ER was when I broke some ribs. They xrayed me, gave me an rx, and told me to follow up with my PCP. There was no follow up care.
In addition, many, many illnesses and diseases are not emergencies until they are too late. But these same ailments could have been detected or prevented with regulary medical treatment and check-ups. That is what is meant by providing “healthcare” to our citizens.
Not putting a band-aid on a gaping wound and sending you on your way.
jw asked -“FFA, why DO we keep beating the same horse? It’s dead. If you’re not going to change anyone’s mind, why bother with the rants?”
That’s a good question. If any one sees a shrink, please do ask.
I seem to find some common ground with everyone on here. Maybe because I win some and then I lose some.
Besides, I like to know whats going on elsewhere in the good ole USA! Small hick town Wis Population under 200 had a better fire works display then did Wis Dells. HMMM. A humble town that takes care of their own.
FFA, You will never convince our left leaning Independent Metric Ron that it’s not working no matter how much evidence there is out there. Everyone but him, Libby & Celtica on this site thinks it is the best thing since sliced bread. Their Progressive Health Care dream is coming apart at the seams and they think it just needs a little tweaking to get it right. Perhaps the administration could start by throwing all the 12,000+ pages of regulations in the incinerator and then trim back the bill by about 2,600 pages and that would be a good start.
Agent – I don’t know whether this bill is the “greatest thing since sliced bread” or not. But the idea of making sure ALL citizens, regardless of financial means, have access to quality healthcare is very, very important to me. This is a step in the right direction as far as I’m concerned, as no-one else has been able to come close to getting this idea to a reality.
Will things have to evolve, change, and be amended? Of course. Anthing of this magnitude is going to have kinks to work out. Maybe it will turn out to be a bigger burden on business than can be tolerated. If so, we will have to keep working to change it. But it’s not going away, so I suggest you get on “let’s do what we can to make it work bandwagon” to save yourself alot of stress and grief that may lead you to have to use your own healthcare coverage in the near future.
And yes, I pay for my own benefits through my employer group health plan and have since I began working.
Todd, this is slightly off topic, but boasting about your good works is not what Jesus had in mind. That is what I would call “self serving christian”. Just my opinion.
More then 60 Law Suits jamming up the Court System. I wonder how much the unintended consequences is going to cost you and I (Joe / Jane) tax payer.
Almost $12K is my 2nd q 941. Should I just go give that to a lawyer and eliminate the middle man?
And its not like there is a more pressing issue (jobs) right now.
FFA, you got hit on your 941 just like I did. I don’t mind paying my taxes as long as the money is spent wisely, but that day is long past. It really chaps me that so much of our tax money is wasted by this administration, Congress, bureaucrats. Government is far too big and intrusive. This bill is the mother of all intrusive legislation in our lifetime.
FFA – didn’t you say your income is up compared to this time last year? So why wouldn’t your 941 be higher? Is the dollar amount higher or the percentage amount? $12k doesn’t really mean anything without putting it into context.
when I do my comparison 12 vs 13, I’ll let you know. I asked my guy for a number – what I owe nothing more.
Up or down, its a hard check to write to a bunch of knuckle heads that don’t know the meaning of the word Fiscal Restraint. Even my wife – I spent $600 on groceries for a 5 day trip with my grand kids and we brought home three full coolers
I agree. Any tax check is hard to write when you have no say in where the money goes. Being married with no kids, my tax is higher than for a family of 4. I have to pay for everyone else’s kids to go to school, use recreational facilities, etc. Been a pet peeve of mine for forever, but I understand that is part of living in society.
As a kid, I remember my G Pa bitchin about having to pay school taxes on the property tax bill Its always been that way, it will always be that way. Just a fact of life.
My wife buys all them groceries here in IL when we could have hit Walmart in WI and NOT PAID SALES TAX on the food items.
What’s wrong with her??? Does she work?
What’s wrong with her????? She is a compulsive over packer. “You never Know” she says.
Yes, she does work – she baby sits my gr kids all day long because my daughter is a lazy ass. She is one of the people we all complain about taking advantage of the system. No Pride.
Being a compulsive overpacker is one thing. Being plain stupid and not taking advantage of saving 6-8% on groceries is another. I thought your daughter was working now…
I’m still amazed – with all the issues in America – some folks think abortion is the main problem we face in this country.
True on that point Scott. Not a word about Job Creation coming out of DC these days.
Abortion – Immigration – Farm Bill Food Stamps – plenty of BS. No Jobs.
FFA, This administration has been concentrating on the wrong issues. The Pew Research Poll proves that Americans want action on jobs, improving the economy, decreasing their health care costs, not increasing them by mandating birth control or abortion coverage. The hard core left wants a total entitlement society where everything is provided to them. Who is to pay, but hard working Americans like you and me. I am sick of it.
Agent, I would argue that CONGRESS is concentrating on the wrong issues, not (just) the Administration.
Oh really?
Pray tell. There have been hundreds of bills rejected that congress put forward for jobs. Hundreds for cutting farm subsidies. Subsidies which then Obama campainged in a subsidy heavy state saying that Ryan would get rid of their subsidies! Oh no!
Then he went to Ohio, he would let you guys go bankrupt (lie) oh no!
Concentrating on the wrong issues? The congress? Every chance Obama gets he makes a hot issue to try and pass some idiotic law, then blames the republicans that it didn’t get passed. Gun control:
Flake for example was made public enemy number one, because he didn’t like the democrat Manchin-Toomey background check ammendment and instead voted for the S.649. You democrats haven’t heard of the S.649 bacgkround expansion ammendment suggestion. Why? As soon as republicans didn’t vote for Manchin-Toomey, Obama put out campaign bills saying how Friend, special interests won today, that Massacre in Conneticut will never be averted, why oh why won’t they vote for gun control???
The birth control: Public doesn’t like publicly funded birth control? Well public doesn’t like business and churches. Why not make a law through there eh? He ignited a class war. This issue of whether or not companies cover birth control is the tiniest of concerns / costs for the American people. It will not change their lives drastically. And Obama made it a big deal. You can say so did the Chrisitans, but they didn’t pass the bill and start the war intentionally. They defended.
I have examples. It IS this administration trying to make problems. I just listed half a dozen examples, not including other jobs bills they tried to pass. You democrats are plainly in the wrong currently, so stop trying to defend it.
Oh really Bob? If the Republicans are putting forward “hundreds of bills” in the Republican controlled House, who is rejecting those bills? Um, the Republican controlled House, that’s who. Your argument is circular and invalid.
And I’m sorry, trying 37+ times to repeal the PPACA is WASTING TIME. Don’t you dare tell me the Republican Congress is being productive. That’s just plain BS.
I am glad you added (just)in your post. Our government is dysfunctional and corrupt from top to bottom, Executive, Legislative and Judicial, the Bureaucracy all are doing things Americans don’t want and trying to force feed the people their agenda which is all wrong. There is an old saying that is still true – It’s the economy, stupid. Stop with all the social engineering and do the right thing for the folks.
Agent:
And I’m glad to hear you including both sides in your rant about a dysfunctional, corrupt government. It’s about time.
bob, one last question on birth control. Are there any polls or surveys that clearly state the PUBLIC is against this part of the ACA? I don’t remember reading about any, but maybe I just missed it.
I’m NOT asking about the ACA in general. I want to know about how the public has responded to questions about birth control. See, the feds already pay for it, so I’m just confused as to why this is a big deal now.
jw, I was wondering the same thing. But, Bob HATES women. HATES women. So in his reality, 100% of society doesn’t want to pay for anything to do with a woman’s reproductive system (good or bad). I bet he cries foul when Kotex offers coupons for their feminine product. “Pay full price!” says Bob! No discounts for you!
JW, I love women. So lets all gather in Wis Dells this week end for some Fun Filled Action! No need to worry about birth control – I am responsible.
FFA, you’re funny. I’m older than dirt and don’t have to worry about birth control. While I find your invitation charming, I’ll pass.
FFA, you crack me up!
The court decision gets into a lot of detail the the IJ story doesn’t (and can’t without boring people). Hobby needed to show more than just “they attend church”. There was a lot of criteria that needed to be met. It should be noted that they were not objecting to all insurance coverage for contraceptives, they object to covering abortions and the day-after pill. This is an issue that I could argue for and against both sides of the problem.
I do my best to not know health care rules (I’m P&C now and not going back to health), so I’m a little surprised by your comment. The ACA includes abortion coverage?
Yes Libby, I am sick of this government trying to impose its will upon the people, passing legislation that will harm the country, taxing us to death, sending money and arms to people who hate us, having one scandal after another with bureaucrats who keep taking the 5th amendment instead of coming clean about their crimes. This country is in a shambles and needs a house cleaning from top to bottom. Call it a rant if you will. The truth will set us free.
I don’t like alot of it either, Agent. Unfortunately, it’s how are system works. We elect the people we think will do the job and represent OUR best interests (their constituents). But when they do not, we have no recourse other than vote them out. Unfortunately, most people do not pay attention to the job their elected officials have been doing and nothing changes. I would love to see term limits for Congress and the ability to boot someone out of office for campaigning on a pack of lies or being incompetent in the job. That would be a good start.
And yes, I know. You would start with Obama.
Its the trickle down AX theory. Start at the top and work down!
They have proved the Peter Principle theory to be accurate.
Recall petitions are gaining in popularity. They have one started in Arizona for McCain & Flake and I understand there is one circulating for some of your guys in Colorado. I don’t know how many signatures it takes to get a recall election in these states, but it is a good idea and hopefully some of these guys will not survive a recall election. The unions tried to do it in Wisconsin and it didn’t work out so well for them.
That guy in WI is pretty sharp all the way around. Knows what the hard decisions are and makes them. How many states have balanced budgets????
Term limits for congress would be an excellent start. Once they’ve been there for 2 or 2 election cycles they quit doing anything productive. And as someone already said, the sheeple keep voting them in. I’m so aggravated I’m using bad grammer.
And I said “2 or 2”. Should be “2 or 3” I do not like politicians.
Well, they haven’t won yet. And I’ll reiterate my initial post that both companies are for-profit entities and therefore not entitled to any “religious” exemption. Just because they pander to Christians doesn’t make them Christian.
It’s a sin for me to pay taxes. After all, taxes fund wars, which kill people.
Weren’t tax collectors considered sinners in Jesus’ time?
Yes, Matthew was one of the worst of the lot before he saw the light with Jesus. He then became a great disciple. The current IRS is the most corrupt, overbearing agency in the Federal Government who thinks they are not accountable to the people.
so let’s see, if I am part of a religion that doesn’t allow/want immunizations for children, then I shouldn’t have to offer that as part of my company’s healthcare plan? Why should Hobby Lobby be allowed to force their religious beliefs onto their employees??
Because they write their pay checks. IF they don’t like it, they can find another job if DC would stop worrying about Gay Marriage, Gun Control, Green Energy in Africa and concentrate on JOBS!!!!!
Bet the folks in congress would reconcile their differences to solve that issue.
BTW, I am sure their employees like having every Sunday off to spend with their families.
I’m not sure I want my employer dictating my personal life. This is still America.
FFA, you may write my paycheck but what I do on my own time is my business.
I have never seen Hobby Lobby say they are dictating any thing to any one. All I have ever seen is they don’t want to pay for BC.
So roughhouse, go ahead – drop your pants – have a blast – or not. Either way, its your right – its your life. Enjoy it any way you see fit – just don’t make me pay for it.
so FFA you are pretty much saying Hobby Lobby is telling their employees, no birth control, therefore only have sex when you want to procreate?? Hobby Lobby opens this up and next you you know, they will not be allowing their medical insurance to be paying for additional medical procedures, prescriptions that they don’t believe in. This country is no longer free. Separation of Church and State no longer exists. What I believe in is my own PERSONAL belief and I should not be forced to endure the beliefs of someone only because they are the employer.
No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying if I am writing the check to cover the Employer share, then I should be able to choose from options to offer my employees.
I am also saying that I carried the burden of Birth Control for my self. I am past my baby making days. I am done paying for it. Now I have to pay for someone elses through higher premiums.
And I have not seen anything that would indicate that hobby Lobby dictates and off the clock behavior. All they I have seen is that they don’t want to pay for Birth Control. Nor have I seen any of their employees speaking out against the management on this issue.
Employees are happy to have a job. A job with Medical Insurance is even better then just a pay check. As an extra bonus -something very rare in retail – they have Sundays off.
I am also saying – not pretty much, but very direct – that the folks in DC need to worry about getting people back to work instead of yutzing around with this and all these other issues that do not create jobs and end up costing Joe / Jane tax payer more and more in legal fees. How much money has been spent defending this?
My objection is not on Religious Grounds. Its strictly Financial. My argument is one of Personal Responsibility.
FFA, Isn’t it interesting how our left leaning friends interpret what is going on? By the way, I have not seen any publicity, pictures of Hobby Lobby or Mardels employees picketing their stores demanding their birth control pills or demanding abortion rights. They seem to be happy working for a highly successful employer who does provide benefits to them as well as paying them competitively. So what if they have to fork over a little money for pills. It is not much more than an office visit copay and the plan pays for all the big illnesses/surgeries etc.
So, FFA, if Libby is correct and the premiums are lower (I DON’T KNOW IF SHE’S RIGHT), would you then be okay including it in your insurance plan?
Agent – I am sure they would be in fear of losing their jobs if they spoke up about this.
FFA – I checked an anonymous employee survey from HL employees. Only 29% would recommend the company to a friend, 42% approve of the CEO, and overall (regarding hours, salary, benefits, and opportunity) it ranked 2.4 out of 5 stars. Not really a glowing review.
JW, I would change my position if Libby is correct. However, I have been around long enough to know nothing is free. Long enough to know that when the Govt sticks their nose in Private Business, cost go up.
Their house is not in order, I do not need their advice as I work to get / keep my house in order.
A point to note – my employees are against it as they fear cost will increase.
Yes – I had to break from my rule and put the new producer on 30+ hours a week. She too has no interest in Free Birth Control.
And Libby, your figures indicate that Hobby Lobby isn’t the worst employer out there and nor are they the best. 2. out of 5.0. Right in the meaty part of the curve.
FFA – it is not “free” birth control, OK??? All the law says is that birth control has to be included in your health insurance plan. You still have to pay a premium for the coverage.
If birth control for 20 women eliminates just one from going through a pregnancy, it has to be cheaper! You’re talking about maybe $1,200 a year v. $8,800 for the delivery alone. That does not include pre and post-natal care and pediatric care for the child.
Does that perhaps make you consider changing your opinion???
Libby, Great theory. I am going to wait and see how it plays out. My guess – if its the Govt pulling the strings, well you know….. Them A$# H*&%$ need to stop butting in.
BTW, BC is free through my County Health Department. I have three Grand Children as a testimony as to how effective it is. My new producer too the free pill and had a stoke at 23. S*&^ probably made in Taiwan.
Great point, Concerned! I wonder what The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster would have to say about all of this.
Since when did Christianity stop teaching moral decisions are to be left to the individual?
Exactly and FFA, perhaps this is the only job the employee could find in this economy!! The employee isn’t asking for Sundays off and may be more than willing to work on a Sunday, at least they are staying or trying to stay off of additional government programs ie food stamps, welfare etc
Concerned – Perhaps. Employees are happy to have that job. Nor have I heard any one complain about any employer to cover BC 100%.
And one again, you have made my point – Not Enough Jobs out there.
Hobby Lobby can’t really call themselves pro-life, can they? They aren’t really caring for the lives of the female employees who need this coverage. I’d say they are more anti-choice.
And, what if sex is one of your hobbies? Hardly Hobby Lobby, then. More like Hobby Robby. Ba-dum, chish!
CP – you really need to work on your punch lines.
Well Cap, maybe there should be a special interest to group to Lobby for that Hobby!
Paula Dean could be the spokes person. I hear she got some time on her hands.
I saw the replacement for Paula Dean on an email picture today. She is about 25, blonde and has curves in all the right places. If it were true, the Food Network will set records for viewership. Who cares if she can cook?
Your comment about the new spokesperson for the Food Network kills me Agent. Do you REALLY think a network that has 65% women viewing vs. 35% men and the target demographic is women is really going to pick a spokesperson based on looks? You really are out of touch.
Nebraskan, perhaps they would pick up a lot of male viewers if they did this. It might be closer to 50/50. Call me out of touch if you will. Golf Channel increased the viewership of Morning Drive 50% by bringing Holly Sonders on board.
Hey Agent, how’s that binder full of women doing these days you old relic?
To increase the viewership of the Food Network by having a pretty girl teach you how to cook is geared towards a male demographic. The majority of viewers of the Food Network are WOMEN. Bringing on a pretty girl to the Golf Channel probably brought on more male viewers, which was probably already their main demographic. Agent, if that’s what you are, you should know it’s more expensive to go after new business than it is to retain. Again, you are really out of touch.
Ned – flashing back to Comm College Marketing 101 – the number one selling product of all time is – SEX.
Jow much of that 65% young women are Lesbian?
You continue to crack me up, FFA. Hope you’re having a great holiday weekend on the lake. Sounds like you and the Mrs. might be working on a hobby of your own this weekend!
You feminists really take the cake (excuse the pun). Are you jealous of an attractive woman hosting a TV show? No wonder you don’t watch Fox since they have an unending supply of smart, hot women on their programming. Last week, Fox announced that Megyn Kelly would have a new prime time show when she returned from maternity leave. I am guessing that Greta Van Sustryn may lose her spot since O’Reilly and Hannity are well entrenched.
I has a good break that’s for sure. sign of the Economic Hardships, Wis Dells were for the most part empty. Not much of a wait for the go carts or even water parks.
FFA, I don’t think many women were ogling Paula Dean when she had the show. I guess Paula was non threatening to them. Libby and Nebraskan are upset that the guys like seeing the attractive women on programming. Women tend to be hypocritical of attractive women, but secretly would like to have some of that feminine appeal.
Agent – probably not. And your right, I have some pretty smoking hot gal pals that people get offended while they are around. One in particular – Ive known her since grade school. One of the nicest people around but still draws negative energy even from some of the women that knew her as long as I have. Was surprised my wife took to her like she did.
FFA, it is called jealousy. The hot, attractive women tend to be the queen bee where they are the center of attention and the plain Jane’s are the supporting cast and they don’t like that much. By the way, women ogle hot guys too. My wife’s favorite is Mark Harmon and she cannot miss NCIS under any circumstances.
Agent – I have no problem with good-looking sexy women and will even comment on them to my husband. We know you look and fantasize. You’re all the same in that regard.
What I object to is the sexual objectification of women, which if you didn’t know is:
“Sexual objectification is the act of treating a person merely as an instrument of sexual pleasure, making them a “sex object”. Objectification more broadly means treating a person as a commodity or an object, without regard to their personality or dignity. Objectification is most commonly examined at the level of a society, but can also refer to the behavior of individuals.”
Your comment of “She is about 25, blonde and has curves in all the right places” is an objectification, as you said nothing about her qualifications to host a food network show.
Understand the difference now? We don’t have a problem with beautiful women. We have a problem with ignorant men.
Come on Libby, we all know men are pigs. OINK!
Yes you are!!
I got tired of being ornery and depressed all the time.
My wife gave me a swift kick where it counts. Changed my attitude considerably since we first chatted.
Be mad today – get over it tomorrow. Working out pretty good.
Good for her! We all need one once in a while. Life is too short for all that nonsense. Be mad. Get over it. Move on. Enjoy life.
It was meant to be a joke Libby which is what the picture depicted. However, I have no problem watching any show or news broadcast where there is a beautiful, smart woman as the host. It certainly beats some of the liberal line up who seems to foster unattractive women with unattractive ideas.
@ Scott, that’s where you’re wrong. All the issues in America and the world at large for that matter are due to mans fall from God and turning away from his grace. If a woman is willing to kill her own child, what does that say for the state of humanity?
Hilarious, FFA!