Republican Sen. McConnell Calls for Delay in Obamacare Insurance Exchanges

By Sharon Begley | August 13, 2013

  • August 13, 2013 at 11:02 am
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    • August 13, 2013 at 3:16 pm
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      He may be grasping at straws, but you’ve got to admit it’s kind of brilliant. He can’t get rid of the law with a head-on assault, but maybe he can trip it up using privacy concerns.

      A lot of people are getting fed up with the Republicans just trying to flat out repeal the law. It’s never going to happen while Obama is in office and the Democrats control the Senate, and contained repeal attempts make them look ineffective and foolish. But, protecting financial and medical privacy is something everyone can get behind. No one is going to argue that they don’t care about their privacy. So this is going to have to be addressed. If it’s not, the argument will be made that the administration doesn’t care about privacy, and the backlash against the ACA will be even bigger.

      They couldn’t get Al Capone on racketeering, drug running or murder, so they went after him on tax evasion charges. Tax evasion isn’t quite as sensational as murder, but the end results were the same. He still ended up in jail. It’s the same with this. The Republicans can’t just repeal the law, but maybe with this, they can halt it. It’s not quite as definitive as an outright repeal, but it still stops it from going into force. For a while anyway.

      • August 13, 2013 at 3:19 pm
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        *continued repeal attempts…

  • August 13, 2013 at 1:25 pm
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    This whole PPACA issue has made me think long and hard about the appropriate role of our elected representatives. I get quite angry when I see continued Republican efforts to “undermine” the law – it is the law, after all. On the other hand, it is their job to represent their contituencies, and a large chunk of the population is opposed to this law.

    Are there other precedents of laws which have been so blatantly undermined by politicians? It seems to me that the appropriate response to a law you oppose is to make an effort to repeal it; and of course the US House has made a comedically large number of attempts. But between the PR efforts to spread misinformation and fear, and the strategic efforts to strangle the law by undermining efforts to implement it, I think Republicans have gone too far. Someone please convince me that these conservative tactics over the past few years are normal tactics within a well-functioning democracy. Please? I love me some democracy.

    • August 13, 2013 at 2:26 pm
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      Hey. That’s Mitch. That’s what he does. Remember when he abused his office by trying to block West Virginia University’s entrance into the Big 12 confrence (in favor of his alma matter Louisville) until WV Senator Bill Manchin called him out on it and told him to stop abusing his position as a Sentor. McConnell is so much a part of the overall problem in Washington. Rarely does he do anything in the public interest. He’s hurting in the KY polls in his re-election bid too. KY do us all a favor, vote him out.

    • August 14, 2013 at 8:54 am
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      youngin’,

      Do not expect any examples. This is unprecedented.

      On a side note, I find it interesting that your post received so many thumb downs, but no replies to dispute what you wrote. Maybe it’s because your position is actually reasonable and they do not know how to respond.

      • August 14, 2013 at 9:01 am
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        Sarge at large. Again. Censoring. His only response to anti-Republican posts. Or ANY post by me.

  • August 13, 2013 at 1:40 pm
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    Senator Mitch McTurtle, you sir are acting like a jackwagon and you should be spending time worrying about your re-election chances. In the words of Tupac, “Peace, see you later!”

    • August 13, 2013 at 2:43 pm
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      Cap, you bash on one person when the entire lot of them deserve the bashing. Even the minimal possibility of security breech needs to addressed before every person jumping on the sites has an ID Theft problem…..

      • August 13, 2013 at 2:56 pm
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        FFA, I didn’t notice Planet bashing the bi-partisan effort to get the Congressional staffers taken care of on the premiums, did you? This is good enough for you and me, but not for them.

        • August 13, 2013 at 3:36 pm
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          I’ve been on that band wagon since day one!

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  • August 13, 2013 at 1:54 pm
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    Ensuring the data security of our personal, financial and medical data is of the utmost importance and if the exchanges aren’t secure yet, the opening should be delayed. No matter what you think of Obamacare or Mitch McConnell, everyone should at least agree on this point.

    • August 13, 2013 at 2:04 pm
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      We have yet to receive any substantial evidence that it is not, &/or will not be, secure for the 10/1/13 roll-out. Only an official saying they have missed some self-imposed deadlines for testing. That is not the same thing as saying the system is not secure. Everyone just needs to hold their horses and let them do what they need to do. After all, the U.S. government is expert at high-tech security and how to break it. Relax and take a deep breath.

      • August 13, 2013 at 2:14 pm
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        Even if there is an minimal risk security can be breached, it needs to be delayed. Missed Deadlines are MISSED DEAD LINES, cause for concern.
        Waiting to see what an Illinois politician does is never a good idea.
        Nine little marketing edged the guy in Oregon gave us as agents – don’t trust the Govt, trust your local guy.

        • August 13, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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          FFA, I didn’t think it would be long before the Libtards on this forum started calling for McConnell’s head. It is a fact that information going into the exchanges will be shared by at least 7 different agencies and the opportunity for hackers to steal identities will provide a rich field to mine. Given all the thieve geeks out there waiting for the opportunity and all the scandals already exposed, I don’t have any confidence that information will be protected. I also don’t think the exchanges have enough power in their sites to handle the influx of applicants. This is an unmitigated disaster, but Planet & Libby are still whistling a happy tune.

          • August 13, 2013 at 2:56 pm
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            Libtard? Taking a page from that sweetheart of yours, Sarah, huh, Agent? Sounds just as ridiculous coming from you as it does from her.

            And since when are you a cyber security expert? I think Obama and his cyber army have way more horsepower than you, pal.

            And Sarge is back, but silent. Silently silencing me, and youngin’, and Captain. Talk about a facist.

          • August 13, 2013 at 3:22 pm
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            Agent, I agree, security must be priority one. However, Libby and CP aren’t just “whistling a happy tune” they are choosing to find the positives and work with the system we have. For whatever reason, this is all we have. Degrading comments are not necessary.

            Oh, and as for calling for Mitch’s head, trust me, it’s not just the liberals yelling. He wouldn’t have a primary opponent if he’d been doing his job. He’s let many people down and screwed over others, he may not survive the primary.

          • August 13, 2013 at 4:28 pm
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            JW:

            Really now?

            You just listed a lot of vagues there about his “screw ups.”

            Pray tell, list these “screw ups” and people he let down, more importantly “how”.

          • August 13, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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            Really?

            I tell her to actually use facts rather than talk snarkly and I get a down vote in 30 seconds?

            You guys are in dire need of an attitude check.

          • August 13, 2013 at 4:39 pm
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            Your comment was snarky in tone. That’s the reason for the thumb down. You talk down to people.

          • August 13, 2013 at 6:35 pm
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          • August 14, 2013 at 8:44 am
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            Bob,

            Please extend your desire for facts to Sarge, Patti, Agent and others on your side as well. I have repeatedly requested facts to back up their comments with no success. It happens on both sides.

            The only ones who provide any facts with a cited source regularly are Libby, jw, FFA and myself.

          • August 14, 2013 at 12:15 pm
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            I’m going to stay vague. I actually don’t remember many specifics. Although the Lexington paper has run a few articles with details, I just haven’t read past the headlines. If you want specifics, you’ll have to research.

          • August 14, 2013 at 12:16 pm
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            I will say this, one of the people McConnell let down was my husband and fuding for his job. That affected about 100 people, so it’s small potatoes. It mattered to me.

          • August 14, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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            bob, what is childish about repeating the talk in republican circles about McConnell? I wasn’t being snarky – I was repeating what the rest of the state is saying. I don’t really care one way or the other. I distrust all politicians.

          • August 14, 2013 at 12:20 pm
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            If you live in Kentucky, then you know better than anyone he’s doing a bad job! He’s a Washington fat cat who’s time is up. Take your one term and shove it, Mitch!

          • August 14, 2013 at 12:40 pm
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            Yes, I live in Kentucky and you can’t get away from the Mitch bashing. It’s not just liberals, republicans are questioning his need to continue representing the state. I can’t predict the future, but there is a chance that his primary opponent could win. It’s a small chance, but it’s still a chance.

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        • August 13, 2013 at 6:39 pm
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          Actually, liberals were the ones to put forth and support the idea of a round Earth. The conservatives, as they’ve done all throughout history, were opposed to such new ideas as a round Earth. They were also the ones who wanted to stay under the rule of England. They didn’t like those libtards with their crazy ideas about freedom and liberty. They didn’t like those libtards otherwise known as our founding fathers. It’s no wonder the conservatives want to change the history books to cover up all of the times they’ve been proven wrong.

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          • August 13, 2013 at 9:02 pm
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            OMG this was the dumbest thing I’ve read today and that’s counting several posts by Agent. I will just leave this here and pray you stop making stuff up:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

          • August 14, 2013 at 12:24 pm
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            bob, there you go calling someone a liar because you don’t believe them. Just because you choose not to believe doesn’t make Don’t Call Me Shirley a liar. I’ve voted republican before. In fact I voted for McConnell the first time he ran for office and several times since, not that it’s any of your business.

            Get over yourself. You are not omniscient.

          • August 29, 2013 at 7:30 pm
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            JW:

            He is a liar.

            End of story.

            I have asked for his conservative view points.

            He has named none.

            People argue who are liberals all the time trying to claim they are moderates while us conservatives are not.

            It’s a blatant, disingenuous way of arguing (stating that you are a moderate while clearly only ever making liberal statements), and I won’t listen to your bull crap baby way of trying to pin it on me that he’s lying.

            He is a liar.

            And I can prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

            Any moderate who insults Reagan’s economics as the problem with the country is not a moderate to start with.

            Anyone who supports single payer would not vote republican, and it is not a moderate. Single payer option, can be conservative. Single payer only is not moderate.

            When you combine that with his comments regarding religions and the religious right, he is not a moderate. He talks exactly like a liberal.

            Looks like one, talks like one, is one.

            End of story. He is not a moderate, he has not voted republican at least since before Reagan clearly, and is a liar about being a moderate.

            Now shut the hell up.

  • August 13, 2013 at 2:15 pm
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    Can you imagine if all the time and energy that has gone into blocking the Affordable Care Act was instead spent implementing and making it work – we’d be on the way to effectively and cost efficiently providing health care for all. The world doesn’t stay static – time to contribute to making this work in lieu of blocking.

    • August 13, 2013 at 2:17 pm
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      Speaking of which.

    • August 13, 2013 at 2:28 pm
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      Washington (Repubilcans especially) don’t care about you and me.

      • August 13, 2013 at 3:57 pm
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        D, Please give me a good reason why Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Charles Rangel, Maxine Waters, John Boehner need to stay. Do you realy think any of these Washington elitists care anything about you and your problems? I could name more, but the space will run out. About 85% of the Congress/Senate needs to go. Many will lose in the primaries or will have their butt kicked in the General, kind of like what happened in 10. We can only hope they will be replaced by responsible people who won’t be corrupted as badly as the above mentioned.

        • August 13, 2013 at 4:07 pm
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          Brother/Sister I am with you 100% on ALL of the aformentioned names (especially Rangel!). They could care less about you and me. Since the article was about Mitch, that’s where I kept it. But, I am with you 100% on all of them amd many not mentioned here.

      • August 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm
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        Washington (democrats especially) don’t care about you and me.

        Fixed.

      • August 13, 2013 at 5:03 pm
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        All the government entitlement programs are paid for by working people aka taxpayers. Go out and earn your own money!

        • August 13, 2013 at 6:44 pm
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          The people who don’t work already get the free medical care; it’s called Medicaid. The problem is that so many who work don’t have healthcare. They ARE earning their own money. They just don’t have enough to cover a major medical expense. In the past, I worked 2 jobs and still couldn’t afford it.

  • August 13, 2013 at 2:46 pm
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    On am marketing note, what a great thing to be contacting your Home Clients about – ID Theft will be spiking!

    • August 13, 2013 at 2:52 pm
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      FFA, Most of our HO clients are offered ID theft although it is generally a small limit like $15,000 to recover their good name. They may need to hire some more adjustors to process claims if this goes through because there will be some serious hacking going on.

      • August 13, 2013 at 3:40 pm
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        Time to up the limit!!!!

        • August 13, 2013 at 3:49 pm
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          FFA, they may want to reduce the limit. They didn’t know they would have this additional exposure.

          • August 13, 2013 at 5:19 pm
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            Get to them before they cap things. Maybe get grandfathered in????

  • August 13, 2013 at 2:52 pm
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    Remember the 2006 midterm elections in which Republicans ultimately took a major beating? Sen. Mitch McConnell privately asked President Bush in a White House meeting to pull some troops out of Iraq in order to boost the GOP’s chances. But, in the same month, September 2006, he publicly jumped on Democrats for calling for a reduction of troops in Iraq, saying that their position endangered Americans. So, you see, Mitch would lie to the American people, and even put our soldiers at risk, just as soon as he would eat a corn dog. The source of that private chat was none other than George W. Bush. So, I guess old GWB doesn’t have much affinity for this con-man either.
    What do people see in Mitch McConnnell?? Please, if you are from the great state of KY or are a republican tell me why this guy should still be in Washington? What good has he ever done? While he has awesome health care for the rest of his life, he is happy to deny it to the same citizens he was elected to serve.
    Even G. W. Bush laughs at him.

    • August 13, 2013 at 3:02 pm
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      Even uber-Republican, Jim Ryun, is decrying McConnell. The dirty, old windbag NEEDS TO GO!!

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/08/13/republicans-conservatives-gop-tea-party-column/2644251/

    • August 13, 2013 at 3:42 pm
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      The picture your painting make me think he is from Illinois!
      ALL the dirty wind bags need to go. a common sense business man – joe small guy – needs to step in.

      • August 13, 2013 at 3:48 pm
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        Slimeballs are not limited to Illinois, FFA. We need term limits.

        • August 13, 2013 at 4:08 pm
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          Not wanting an argument, just info for all you researchers -
          what other states are producing crooked politicians? Any states exceeding IL? If so, my sympathies!!!!

          You got to admit Libby, IL has a lot of high profiles people in trouble…

          “We need term limits”. Agreed – 100%%%

          • August 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm
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            Yeah, IL has a record number alright. You got me there!

          • August 13, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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            Any one know who is in second place?? Third?

          • August 13, 2013 at 5:32 pm
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            Well Detroit for one will give Chicago a run for the money any day. How about this:

            * Recent Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick(D) corrupt and stealing from the city and pay to play. Indicted by the Feds on 36 counts convicted on 34. Will be sentenced September and will get 20 plus years in the Graybar Hotel.
            * Monica Conyers, wife of Congressman John Conyers (D) Michigan, convicted of taking bribes and sentenced to prison. Just got out. (I am sure the wife never told the husband about the bribes)
            * The Murder at the Mayors Mansion- Supposedly Kwame Kilpatrick had a drug and alcohol wing ding at the mayor’s mansion. He brought in strippers. One named “Strawberry” was lap dancing the Mayor when the Mayor’s wife lovely “Carlita” took a baseball bat to her head. Killed her and supposedly a detail dumped the body in Detroit. They found the body but can’t prove the crime— yet.
            * City Council gave jobs to people who never worked. There was an emergency manager put in place for the school system because it was– you guessed it– broke. Come to find out there were 367 people collecting paychecks from the school system who never went to work and never had jobs. The city council members are now being replace by another group of (D) crooks.
            * The Water system director (The city owns the water system and sells to metro cities) was arrested and convicted for taking bribes. He was sentenced to a couple years.

            On and on and on.

          • August 14, 2013 at 10:19 am
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            Sarge, you left out the Lions Management. (YUK YUK)

            Detroit has had its share of issues, that’s for sure…

      • August 13, 2013 at 4:01 pm
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        Probably won’t be from the State of Illinois I would imagine FFA. How far the country has come from the land of Lincoln producing one of our greatest Presidents to what we have now. Many forget that Lincoln was a Republican and he signed the Emancipation Proclamation. I hardly think he would be called a racist, would you?

        • August 13, 2013 at 4:13 pm
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          Who called Lincoln a racist???

          • August 13, 2013 at 4:16 pm
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            That liberal straw-man did. Get him!

          • August 13, 2013 at 4:26 pm
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            No one. In fact his post says you CANT call him a racist.

          • August 13, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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            Why would we? What brought that up? Agent just snatches these randam thoughts from thin air and posts them. WTF did Lincoln have to do with anything???

          • August 13, 2013 at 4:35 pm
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            I do too. You can tell my posts that are hurried and just a passing thought. Only once have I been called on it. He/she did it on a manner in which I would not respond to.

        • August 13, 2013 at 4:15 pm
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          Agent, you have a truly dizzying intellect.

    • August 13, 2013 at 4:30 pm
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      You’re going to have to prove that happened with a source link, and a darn good one.

      You saying George W is the source doesn’t count.

      • August 13, 2013 at 4:33 pm
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        Ah, so I get it, he doesn’t need a source to say something outrageous.

        Got it. Is that why I was down voted?

        Again with the immaturity.

      • August 13, 2013 at 4:38 pm
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        Supposedly it’s in Bush’s memoir. I’m surprised you haven’t read it.

        http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20101109/NEWS01/311090058/Bush-memoir-says-Mitch-McConnell-wanted-troop-cut-aid-GOP-candidates-2006

        • August 13, 2013 at 6:36 pm
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          Libby,

          I managed to find it on my own about 10 minutes ago but thank you for the link.

        • August 13, 2013 at 6:37 pm
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          Libby:

          As a side comment why in the world would I read the memoir of any president?

          Especially Bush W.

          There’s my first insult against Bush W. that you’ve seen. Enjoy.

        • August 13, 2013 at 6:41 pm
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          And as a side side comment:

          See? I do reply to any and all fact usage quite nicely.

          I reply to any and all random comments of Mc Turtle, Tupac, Bush W hating, or other “screwing” comments that don’t have a lot of facts, with quite a backlash.

          I’m going to now look up a bit about that Mitch incident, as to whether it was before or after the troops actually were withdrawn that Mitch made that “supposed” comment about democrats being bad for removing Iraq troops. If it were after, then I’m sorry to say I would agree with him for telling Bush W to go with public opinion because he is not psychic and would not know that 2007 as a result had more U.S. Troop deaths. If he made the comment in 2007, which I’m thinking there is a good chance he did (as that was a bad death year for our troops) he was well within his bounds.

          • August 14, 2013 at 9:22 am
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            I’m pretty sure it was 2006.

        • August 14, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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          Gee, Libby is able to provide a source when requested, but not Agent, Sarge, Patti, Sarah or Bob.

          Interesting.

          • August 14, 2013 at 2:50 pm
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            That’s because Libby speaks the truth and can back it up with sources.

          • August 29, 2013 at 7:37 pm
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            Ron,

            I do provide sources.

            Now go @#%@% yourself kid.

            Not to mention most of my comments don’t need sources, and I don’t say that to say that facts don’t need sources.

            For example: If I state something like Obama passed obamacare, do I need to prove that?

            If I state that Obama passed QE, and that QE had a direct affect on housing, because it allowed banks to buy houses up at low costs rather than consumers, do I need a source? No. Any source would be a further opinion piece. All I need is to show the cost of houses, which you already know and I don’t need to state, and let you extrapolate.

            Listen kiddo, I know you think you’re clever, but you’re not.

            You scream just out of college. You think you have things figured out. You don’t.

            Now that I’m done directing you, which I don’t often do, back off. I don’t need some kid trying to pretend my comments don’t have substance, especially one who keeps saying “I’m not saying” and then says something that does say it AKA your “I’m not saying capitalism harms gas prices, but nationalized countries have cheaper oil and Bush W had high oil costs with capitalism” Well then, you’re linking it.

            Don’t lie about what you’re doing while you do it.

            And if you want to put together a full picture about gas prices, I’m more than ready and willing to discuss it and how regulations in a capitalistic society can directly affect gas costs, including the price controls around the Carter gas crises era, which when removed resulted in gas prices going down and settling at $1 per gallon during Clinton’s presidency, and then I can point out in real world examples how QE has affected the cost of oil, something Obama has continued to pass.

            THAT is a researched comment.

            Now do you want me to give you about 500 sources?

            Because that’s how many it will take. Or you could use your brain, and look it up a bit.

    • August 14, 2013 at 10:08 am
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      Actually D, I remember the 2010 mid term “shellacking” after the Dems pushed through Obamacare over the objections of the American People. Nancy said she had to pass it for us to see what was in it. It was passed by threat, intimidation, bribes (See Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase)and many Blue Dog Democrats promptly lost their seats for voting for it without reading it. After three years, it is still very unpopular and it keeps falling apart after mandates are delayed, concerns of IT security and reports of much higher premiums on the way. Politicians who are running for re-election are not running on the merits of Obamacare or they do so at their own risk.

      • August 14, 2013 at 10:14 am
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        “after the Dems pushed through Obamacare over the objections of the American People.”

        Where were all these people on election day 2008 and 2012???

        • August 14, 2013 at 11:53 am
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          Voting for President Obama’s election and re-election and supporting the PPACA. Libby, you already knew this. Agent, Sgt Major, Sarah, and Patty Cake seem to forget this. They believe there was a referendum repealing the PPACA and President Obama in 2012. That simply didn’t come to fruition. #landslide election margin, yo!

          • August 14, 2013 at 12:17 pm
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            Just checking to see if I dreamt it or if history had somehow recreated itself according to Gorp – er, I mean Agent.

  • August 13, 2013 at 5:34 pm
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    Maybe Nancy Pelosi should stand up and say- “We have to implement this in October to see what happens with everyone’s identity information.” Then we will find out if the cyber security sucks or not?

    • August 14, 2013 at 10:11 am
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      Sargeant, Libby thinks the government has the high tech security to guarantee our info will be secure. I don’t think she has heard of Wikileaks or Snowden with the NSA. I don’t think I want my information shared by 7 different agencies of the Federal Government, do you?

      • August 14, 2013 at 10:15 am
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        Too late, Agent. It already is…

      • August 14, 2013 at 10:18 am
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        Eric Snowden worked for a private agency, Booz Allen Hamilton. They are the ones who are responsible for the leak. The government contracted them. Private companies continue to drop the ball on keeping our info secure. Sony, Apple, New York Times, NBC, Facebook, Microsoft…

      • August 14, 2013 at 10:32 am
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        Loose lips sink ships. Not cyber-hacking into the U.S. Government’s database. That will get you 10 to 20. Besides, all this information is already stored and could be accessed. But it’s not.

        Your scare tactics won’t work on me, Agent.

        • August 14, 2013 at 1:45 pm
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          Most cyber liability claims derive from the work of rogue employees, not outsiders hacking into your system…

  • August 14, 2013 at 9:32 am
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    The Right continues to take Nancy Pelosi out of context. So, let’s provide that context:

    I’m so old, I remember everyone was talking about the process of passing the bill at the time Nancy made this statement. Everyone was losing sight of all the benefits of the bill, like a ban on denying health coverage because of a pre-existing conditions, support for public health infrastructure, more spending on community health centers and reductions in uncompensated care by hospitals. Pelosi also says in her speech the plan won’t require anyone to pay a deductible for preventive health care doctor visits. I think it’s also important to note, the entire legislation was available online for anyone to read at the time of her statement.

    Many in Congress were arguing about how the bill was going to be passed rather than actually reading the legislation. For those who were not performing their due diligence, Nancy was right. It would have to pass it so they would see all the benefits of the reform. Meanwhile, I had already read the bill, in its entirety, once online. I personally didn’t need it to be passed to see what was in it.

    • August 14, 2013 at 10:15 am
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      So Planet, what do you think about the latest revelation that out of pocket maximums written into the bill will be disregarded now for at least a year? Do you think there is a possibility that the Individual maximum out of pocket will rise higher than the “guaranteed” amount of $6,350 per Individual and $12,700 for families? I think there is a distinct possibility when people apply to find much higher out of pocket under all the options available.

      • August 14, 2013 at 10:28 am
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        Well, they’ll just have to re-adjust it in a year, so that would be a colossal waste of time.

      • August 14, 2013 at 1:28 pm
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        Private companies have the option of delaying, but they are not being mandated to delay by the government. Companies who are looking to grow will see less out of pocket expenses as a competitive advantage. The delay is still up to the discretion of the private company. And, given the exchanges, the individual shopping for healthcare can juxtapose the private carriers’ plans and choose the one best for him or her, including the amount of out-of-pocket expense he or she can best financially handle.

        I think there is a distinct possibility there will be many hiccups along the way. This is a seriously heavy lift. One that is necessary, though. Do you think anyone believed there weren’t going to be wrinkles along the way? No one in their right mind would think this was going to be 100% perfected at implementation/launch date. Even an IT solution overhaul gives companies fits for at least a year. The user submits a ticket, IT resolves the issue, interface improves and and user continues to progress until the next issue. Eventually, all bugs are determined and corrected, and user has an efficient system and is better able to produce.

        • August 14, 2013 at 2:47 pm
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          I was going to make a similar comment about the number of implementation issues for even a simple product change at any P&C carrier. But I think most of these folks are agents and haven’t got a clue how normal this is (can you imagine trying to implement something this size for the first time??)

          • August 14, 2013 at 2:51 pm
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            I, for one, think it is going incredibly smoothly considering the breadth and depth of the project. I would have expected many more set-backs and hiccups this close to actual implementation. Of course, that could still happen…

  • August 14, 2013 at 10:43 am
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    Everyone has to agree. This is going to be a total cluster!

    • August 14, 2013 at 10:54 am
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      No. Don’t agree, Sarah.

      • August 14, 2013 at 12:45 pm
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        Sarah, you are wrong. It is not going to be a cluster f$#@.
        IT ALREADY IS!

  • August 14, 2013 at 11:03 am
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    Article this morning in the local paper citing healthcare insurers and the cost of ACA. According to the reporter business and corresponding healthcare insurers were surveyed and found out:

    *3 out of 4 businesses and their employees do not want ACA implemented.

    * The deductibles, in some cases (generally small business and individual purchasers who are not eligible for any subsidy) will see their deductibles raise to a point where the deductible is more than the cost of coverage.

    * Midwest states (they cited Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Pennsylvania) will see the individual and small business rates rise up to 88% and deductibles could double.

    * 70% of employees under the age of 30, when surveyed said they would pay the penalty rather than buy the insurance as it is cheaper. If they become sick or injured they will go to the hospital and have their parent or spouse sign them up for coverage thus getting insurance for nothing and circumventing the cost.

    • August 14, 2013 at 11:12 am
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      This just in IJ today:

      “As of June, proposed monthly premiums in nine states for the benchmark level of medical coverage were less than congressional estimates, according to a study at the time from Avalere Health, a Washington-based consulting company.”

      http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2013/08/14/301642.htm

    • August 14, 2013 at 11:27 am
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      Not a surprise….

      • August 14, 2013 at 1:14 pm
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        Not a surprise that rates are LOWER than expected??? That surprises me from you.

        • August 14, 2013 at 1:27 pm
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          Not a surprise that few will benefit at the cost of many. Only 9 going down???
          This is going to hit the tax bill hard!!!

          • August 14, 2013 at 1:40 pm
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            Sarge only listed FIVE that were going to go up. Hmmmmm. NINE going DOWN. FIVE going UP. I’ll have to check my calculator, but I think more are going down than up, FFA.

          • August 14, 2013 at 2:07 pm
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            Watch Sgt Major’s “facts”, too, by the way. The source he listed is, “local paper” – just sayin’.

          • August 14, 2013 at 2:13 pm
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            Believe me, I’ve got my eye on Sarge. He’s a slippery little fella.

    • August 14, 2013 at 5:32 pm
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      Sargeant, the predictable Libby & Planet mocking of your post was expected. I wonder what will happen if the Enroll America campaign for younger participants falls flat. If the enrollment is primarily the PreX sick people and not the healthy, this will go down as a very big travesty and the law will implode as we have been saying all along. They are gambling and it is on our dime.

      • August 15, 2013 at 8:35 am
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        I know you pray for that every night, Agent. You are just aching to say “I told you so.” Aren’t you?

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