Obamacare Supporters Decry Republicans’ Moves on Health Navigators

By Alex Wayne | September 3, 2013

  • September 3, 2013 at 1:35 pm
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    “There is no doubt that this unreasonable request for burdensome paperwork is exclusively motivated to harass community organizations that stand ready to help uninsured families gain health coverage under the Affordable Care Act,” he said in an e-mail.

    Making sure the right people are doing the job is unreasonable and a burden??? Making sure the fraud is kept to a minimum??

    This entire law is “unreasonable” and “burdensome” on everyone.

    • September 3, 2013 at 2:11 pm
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      FFA, Apparently, the unions are “decrying” the bill they were pushing for two years. The latest are the Longshoreman’s Union, 40,000 strong, who don’t seem to like the Cadillac tax and have disassociated themselves from the AFL-CIO. Tell me please how we can have so many waivers for big business, unions, Congress and still have a viable law. The ones left holding the bag are small business and Individuals and the hope of enough young people to sign up to offset the hordes of PreX people who are champing at the bit to get coverage.

    • September 3, 2013 at 2:32 pm
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      • September 3, 2013 at 2:57 pm
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        And who pays for all these improvements in coverage? I know that liberals have no concept of basic economics, it shows through in all their economic plans. Who pays are the young healthy people who are reluctant to pay the unfair premiums to help subsidize others. The young healthy people who are currently being co-opted to buy this coverage by the left’s propaganda. The young healthy people who will be stuck paying the bill for this budget busting deficit expanding program. Elementary basic economics that the left has no clue of.

        • September 3, 2013 at 4:45 pm
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          • September 4, 2013 at 10:00 am
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            And economic illiterates such as yourself are totally clueless as to how both of those systems are bankrupting the country. The solution of the economically illiterate left is to set up more bankrupt programs. And all efforts to reform those programs to make them solvent again are shot down by the economically illiterate left, such as yourself.

          • September 4, 2013 at 10:15 am
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            Social Security has been taking in about $100 billion a year more than it pays out. If nothing is done, that annual surplus will gradually shift to a deficit as the country ages, but Social Security currently has $2.6 trillion in assets, enough to cover their projected obligations for decades.

            Just who is the economic illiterate here?

        • September 3, 2013 at 4:47 pm
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          Dave says “And who pays for all these improvements in coverage?”

          Do you have plan info? If so, where did you get it? Its not in the OBama Care On Line training.

      • September 3, 2013 at 3:01 pm
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        D, the tax increase will hit everyone. Unions are speaking out against it. Politicians exempted them selves from it. Don’t know if you’ve gone through the courses yet, but the ones I have been through have just been more confusing and creates more questions then it answers.

        The questions people will want answered on 10/1/2013 still cant be answered.

        What is the Coverage? What is the Price? What is the subsidy?

        If you have the answers, please advise where you got them and if they have changed since you got that hammered out. If we in the biz cant answer them, how is a politician supposed to answer them? I consider that a burden.

        • September 3, 2013 at 5:46 pm
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          • September 4, 2013 at 10:18 am
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            D, How dare you jump on FFA for his legitimate question? You are a nasty piece of work saying you hope he is not a major decision maker or risk barer in his organization. FFA is a successful agent and has been for a long time. What are you, an employee who thinks they have all the answers like Libby? By the way, you people on the left have no concept of what basic economics are and you prove that every time you post.

          • September 4, 2013 at 10:42 am
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            “What are you, an employee who thinks they have all the answers like Libby?”

            Since when is it a derogatory thing to work for a living? We can’t all be businessowners or you wouldn’t have anyone to do all the work.

            Agent, you are the nasty piece of work here. I hope your employees get wind of what you really think about them and they all quit.

          • September 4, 2013 at 1:19 pm
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            So, you don’t know the answers to the questions???
            Those are the questions that need to be answered.
            Whats it Cover? How Much are the Premiums? what are the subsidies?

            Its a one work answer. Yes or no. Keep your personal slam to yourself.

          • September 4, 2013 at 1:30 pm
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            FFA – I wasn’t directing my post to you but to Agent. See, it says “Agent, you are the nasty piece of work here. I hope your employees get wind of what you really think about them and they all quit.”

            And no, I don’t have all the answers because it’s not 10/1/13 yet. All will be revealed FFA. Just relax.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:05 pm
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            Libby – I was directing at D. D didn’t answer my question, just slammed me. More juvenile playground BS Ive come to expect from this site.

            As much as I disagree with your position on this, you have actually been the most helpful. After I disregard all your personal issues / Jabs / Slams with Agent – Sarge ect… you get the goods and deliver.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:07 pm
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            Libby’s Advice “FFA. Just relax”.
            Not in my blood. Type A here. 09/15/2013 would be a good time to release the info to people that are going to need to answer the questions.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:15 pm
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            Well, I guess 8/15/13 would have been even better, but 10/1/13 is the date for now. Sorry, I realized you were talking to D after I posted. And I only slam on those that slam me first. Agent continually puts me down, makes fun of the fact that I said economics wasn’t my strong suit, and calls me an out-and-out liar. Sarge, well, he’s just an a-hole.

            And while I don’t necessarily agree with all your political views, I respect you and think you are an all-around good guy.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:36 pm
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            Well Libby, I think a long tie back, we have just accepted that sometime we need to agree to disagree.

            It is America, you are entitled to your opinion and so am I.

        • September 3, 2013 at 5:48 pm
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          • September 4, 2013 at 11:54 am
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            I don’t feel that way about “businessowners.” Just you.

          • September 4, 2013 at 1:26 pm
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            All I want are my questions answered D. If you cant answer them, your in the dark just like I am.
            I need info, not an argument with some random person out there.

          • September 4, 2013 at 1:38 pm
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            FFA – all rates and coverage tiers will be revealed on 10/1/13 when the exchanges open. Coverage is not even in effect until 2014, which is 90 days away.

            Only 16 states have posted rates yet.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:10 pm
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            Oil price controls came to pass in the form of the gas price crises some decades ago. Did you miss that because you’re too young and too naive to look into our history?

            Perhaps I should move to the higher interest rates as a result of Carter’s presidency. Then Regan got them down significantly by getting the government out of the way.

            The misery rate would be a true doom and gloom, there’s a reason the country shifted right post Reagan, and a reason for the 1995 republican revolution.

            The right have good ideals when they are actually put into practice.

            Speaking of doom and gloom:

            These are not exact quotes, but were used to pass programs

            “If we don’t pass the stimulus unemployment will surpass 10%”

            “If we don’t pass the sequester people will lose their jobs and the economy will tank”

            “If Paul Ryan gets into office we will lose medicare (insert a video OF PAUL RYAN PUSHING A GRANNY OFF A CLIFF, which is ABSOLUTELY INAPPROPRIATE and doom and gloom)”

            Ya know, I could go on all day. Quit with the comments about the right. You have not one clue on political matters.

        • September 5, 2013 at 7:36 am
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          FFA – I have some information. Does your agency have a website with a contact us link? I would be happy to share what little I know, but it would get lost in this forum.

          • September 5, 2013 at 2:15 pm
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            Jw, per Ins Journal advice, I should not post that info. I monitor this site constantly for info. So, post you link or what ever you got. I am sure I will catch it.

      • September 4, 2013 at 11:07 am
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        And while all of your points are good D, I went to the IL webiste and “applied” for the same plan I have with Humana – the premium, which my employer pays would be $255 – while my portion which is the decutible went from $7,000 to (are you sitting down?) $12,500. Tell me that’s fair? If I get cancer again I’m screwed.

        • September 4, 2013 at 11:10 am
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          Always – people with cancer and no insurance are REALLY screwed.

          • September 4, 2013 at 11:37 am
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            That’s not my point. My deductible went up $5,000 FOR THE SAME PLAN. And you know what Libby, there have been many people who have gotten cancer and have gone to Cook County hospital WITHOUT insurnce and were treated!

          • September 4, 2013 at 11:56 am
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            “And you know what Libby, there have been many people who have gotten cancer and have gone to Cook County hospital WITHOUT insurnce and were treated!”

            Source please.

          • September 4, 2013 at 11:56 am
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            And I’d gladly pay $12,500 to save my life. Even if I had to declare bankruptcy to do it.

          • September 4, 2013 at 12:33 pm
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            Cook County not Stroger takes takes people wihtout insurance all the time no matter what their illness is. It’s a community hospital.

            http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/CRU?q=oncology&sa=Search&domains=medicine.johnstrogerhospital.org&sitesearch=&sitesearch=medicine.johnstrogerhospital.org

          • September 4, 2013 at 12:38 pm
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            Sorry, suffering from a bad cold now – but I think you get my gist. Stroger which was formally known as Cook County hospital – they treats everyone who has no insurance because that’s what they do.

          • September 4, 2013 at 1:45 pm
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            I understand what you’re saying, Always. But treating someone for an emergency trauma like an auto accident is not the same as long-term care for cancer. I did not find anything on that link that confirmed you could get long-term treatment for cancer for free at this hospital.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:19 pm
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            Libby:

            Provide sources that people on a wide scale basis do not get cancer treatment who are poor.

            Are the poor immune to cancer?

            Because our mortality rates for cancer are roughly equal to single payer system country rates.

            Do the math on what that means. It means the only possibility is that our poor are getting treatment for cancer at at least equal rates. Cancer is top three for causes of death. This means the poor must be getting it, and must be receiving treatment for it if our survival rates are equal. There is absolutely no possibility that having cancer and being poor is a death sentence, or we would have millions, and millions, and millions, of deaths from it.

            Do the math on your own and forget about sources for a moment. Here is the appropriate math:

            Look up survival rates of cancer and occurrence rates on a per country basis.

            Compare.

            Look up the mortality rates of cancer in those who get cancer.

            Compare with the above comparison.

            If the numbers of survivability and occurrence are equal in two countries, and the poverty rates are somewhat equal, and the occurrence rates are 30% roughly, with a poverty rate of let’s say 10%, then the numbers would be:

            US Population: 325,000,000

            10%: 32,500,000

            1/3rd of 32,500,000 = 9,750,000

            If people who were poor were not getting treated 9,750,000 people would be dying at an absolute minimum more than a single payer country. As we have equal survivability rates, this means those 9,750,000 million are mostly all surviving, with the exceptions being a minimal percentage and very unlikely to do with not having insurance especially as those living at poverty level are not likely to have insurance. You may also feel free to look up those numbers and apply them.

            Keep in mind I put a hypothetical up there.

            You should be thinking like this and doing this math rather than asking for sources with their idiotic opinions on the matter.

            It is common sense that you are wrong on this aspect.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:41 pm
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            Bob – I accept your challenge and will get back to you with my research on this.

          • September 4, 2013 at 3:38 pm
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            Bob: The uninsured are 1.6 times more likely to die in five years than those with private insurance according to the study: Insured Cancer Patients Do Better The Washington Post, December 20, 2007.

            Uninsured breast cancer patients at a large safety-net hospital system were more likely than their insured counterparts to be diagnosed with advanced disease requiring more extensive and costly treatment. Uninsured women also experienced delays in starting and completing treatment while trying to navigate through all that “free” treatment you and others insist is out there. Do you know how long it takes to apply and be accepted for these programs? I would imagine it is not a swift process.

            Also, a study, titled Association of Insurance with Cancer Care Utilization and Outcomes, presents evidence that lack of adequate health insurance coverage is associated with reduced access to care and poorer outcomes for cancer patients. The article further presents data on the association between health insurance status and screening, stage at diagnosis and survival for breast and colorectal cancer.

            I stand by my statement that uninsured people do not get the same level of care as insured people. And since the right seems to tout the level of care received in the U.S. compared to the U.K. and Canada, I would expcect our mortality numbers to increase under Obamacare.

          • September 5, 2013 at 7:54 am
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            bob – I just have to correct your assumption (remember what assume really means) about cancer rates. You said:
            “Because our mortality rates for cancer are roughly equal to single payer system country rates.

            Do the math on what that means. It means the only possibility is that our poor are getting treatment for cancer at at least equal rates. Cancer is top three for causes of death. This means the poor must be getting it, and must be receiving treatment for it if our survival rates are equal. There is absolutely no possibility that having cancer and being poor is a death sentence, or we would have millions, and millions, and millions, of deaths from it.”

            Saying they are all equal isn’t exactly right. For example: (I’m using small number just to make this fit in my post)

            Country A – everyone treated the same: 1,000 people (250 in each income bracket) get cancer, 700 people (175 no income, 175 low income, 175 middle class, & 175 high income) survive.

            Country B – you’re on your own: 1,000 people (250 in each income bracket) get cancer, 700 people (100 no income, 175 low income, 200 middle class, & 225 high income) survive.

            Both countries have the same overall rate, but the different economic intervals are not the same.

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            This is a MATH EXAMPLE ONLY!!
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            I did not research actual survival statistics. I am only pointing out that the average can be the same.

          • September 5, 2013 at 9:16 am
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            Excellent point, jw. I think my research and statistics would support what you say and again, I would expect our mortality rates (in the greatest country in the world) to increase even more with healthcare for all.

        • September 4, 2013 at 1:40 pm
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          Always – were there plan designs for the exchange policiesor did you just quote up a non exchange policy?

          • September 4, 2013 at 1:48 pm
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            FFA – Illinois has not yet released their exchange plans or rates yet. That is scheduled to happen on 10/1/13. If you want to look at rates in some of the states that have posted them, check ou this link:

            http://obamacare.healthinsuranceexchangeenvoy.com/index.php/obamacare-state-premium-rate-releases/

          • September 5, 2013 at 12:43 pm
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            Congratulations Libby. You are finally right on something. Our mortality rates will increase more with Obamacare. Rationed care always tends to do that and taking $716 Billion out of Medicare will certainly ration for seniors who will not receive proper care. The waiting times will increase for surgery and many will die long before they get it, just like Britain & Canada has been doing all along.

          • September 5, 2013 at 1:44 pm
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            Agent – Rationed care? Where’d you come up with that? And you know what I meant about the mortality rates. I expect they will improve when everyone has access to regular healthcare.

        • September 4, 2013 at 2:38 pm
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          Always -Always – if you have the link your getting your premium info from, please advise! I am not finding it on Humana site. don’t mean its not there as I am very impatient with this phase of my career. I need to know!

          GO BEARS!

          • September 4, 2013 at 4:55 pm
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            FFA, I Googleed something to the effect of IL health exchange and got a einsurance link that let me choose from different carriers. I posted the whole policy information on the blog before which showed the $12,500 decdutible. I did not find this on Humana’s website. I am waiting for my renewal to come up with them the 1st of November. I should be getting a renwal letter sometime in either late September or early October.

          • September 4, 2013 at 5:02 pm
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          Good post Bob. I am sure the leftists on this site will not like it. They have their agenda and rant and rave all the time about the right and the leftists belief systems are proven to be wrong, bad for the country and is rapidly bankrupting the economy. According to them, it is fine to wreck Healthcare for 85% of the folks in order to cover all the ones who want a free ride with subsidized Healthcare.

          • September 4, 2013 at 4:05 pm
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            Once again a shoot-from-the-hip remark from quick-draw McGraw here. Wrecking healthcare for 85%? Where did you pull that one out of? Oh, never mind…

    • September 3, 2013 at 4:46 pm
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      Since the exchanges are supposed to be monitored and run by the State, I think this federal interference is totally inappropriate.

      • September 3, 2013 at 5:57 pm
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        Libby, I don’t want Illinois running anything. They cant their house in order.

        Now Levine is having a movie made of his “story”. wonder if this is going to include his connection to OBama…

        Welcome back by the way…

    • September 5, 2013 at 8:37 am
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      FFA – Not sure if this will answer any of your IL questions, but it may help with general information:

      http://insurance.ky.gov/

      Look through the What’s New / Recent Topics on the bottom of the page and there are several documents about the ACA.

      • September 5, 2013 at 2:32 pm
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        Thanks. I was just in your neck of the woods – Southern Indiana. Picked up a $70K Comp Contract. Prospect was doing a tap dance on the current agent, so in a few weeks headed back to grab the rest of the business. Could amount to about $200K in premiums overall. Did a solid pitch to come and speak with 30 employees regarding OBama Care.

        That’s another part of the marketing strategy -talk to the business about group presentations… This one looks very promising on all fronts.

        • September 5, 2013 at 2:37 pm
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          BTW, this was picked up by my new producer. She is busy typing out 130 Certs…. Man o man! This gal has got commissions on every pay check I have written her including her very first check…

          Stuck in a hotel room with my office wife and my home wife…. I refer to them as the Cluck Sisters… They never shut up!

          • September 5, 2013 at 2:44 pm
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            Sounds like you could use a drink!

          • September 5, 2013 at 2:56 pm
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            YEP!!! Not exactly the arrangement the oink in me wanted. None the less, a $70K contract on the books! Sometime it has to hurt to get better. My next trip down there will probably be a two – three dayer. Make a week out of it and hit my other Southern IN business???? Good reason to leave the women at home.

          • September 5, 2013 at 2:59 pm
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            One little “Issue” on the appointment. Need some advice.
            When my producer and I walked into the office where we were presenting, it was obvious that she was very cold or excited… I was not staring, it was obvious.

            How do I approach that issue with her????

          • September 5, 2013 at 3:39 pm
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            That’s a hard one. (No pun intended.) I worked with a woman who would tell employees they needed to pad their bra because of that but I thought it was totally out of line.

            I’d wait and see if it continues to be a problem and maybe suggest she wear a jacket or sweater for a more “polished, professional look.”

          • September 5, 2013 at 3:40 pm
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            Was she wearing a bra? If not, maybe a dress code for the office? That way you’re not singling her out…

          • September 5, 2013 at 3:56 pm
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            I think she was wearing proper undergarments…
            She had on a collared shirt that I would not have even guessed any issues would pop up.
            My rule has been – dress code wise – Dress comfortably in the office. In the field your selling Blue Collar, dress Blue Collar. Selling white Collar, wear white collar. This was a Blue Collar deal and I am 99.99% sure my prospect noticed as he drew my attention. It may have helped close this deal – sex sells – but this is not how I want to bring in new business. Nor do I want anything related to Sex Harassment coming at me. This gal is good at what she does.

          • September 5, 2013 at 4:08 pm
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            Did your wife notice? If they are chatty, maybe she could mention it. Otherwise, I’d leave it alone.

          • September 5, 2013 at 4:31 pm
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            Good Idea. They have been friends for a long time. I don’t think my wife noticed. My wife was not at the appointment. And my wife is VP…

          • September 6, 2013 at 10:29 am
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            I had several audits in southern Indiana when I was a premium auditor. It’s a good area to work. Most of the people are actually friendly and understand insurance. Well, those I had to deal with did, at least. Oh, well, now I’m only in Indiana to pick up or drop off my granddaughter.

            On the employee issue, why don’t you just ask her if she’s seen the movie New In Town. There’s a scene in that movie almost exactly as you described it, except it’s during dinner and not the sales pitch. Although getting your wife to talk to her could work. Or, that could back fire and get your wife upset. No telling with women – we like to keep our men on their toes.

          • September 6, 2013 at 12:51 pm
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            Well, my wife was upset that I noticed. Imagine that.. I explained to her that when a car has their head lights on, I notice. Now I have that problem to deal with – she thinks I am hot for her friend.

            I did have the chat with her. She accepted the advice and SHE stated that cant happen in the field. She would wear layers in the future… Was no where near what I expected – the worst and hope for the best. This time, I got the best but should have left my wife out of it cause now I am getting the worst at home….

            You women…. Just confusing the heck out of me. One would think I have it figured out by now. But there I go thinking with my big head.

          • September 6, 2013 at 1:09 pm
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            Oh boy! Sorry about that, FFA. I guess I don’t have women figured out, either.

          • September 6, 2013 at 3:26 pm
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            Well, my producer had a Lunch Date today. She stated this guy could not stop starring at her below the neck.
            She is a good soul that is a lonely woman. The curse of you women with nice bodies…

  • September 3, 2013 at 1:41 pm
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    Doesn’t this sound like another possible PIRG (Public Interest Research Group) scandal in the making? Millions spent in an unaccountable way for small non-profits to spend however they see fit as long as the ‘goal’ is accomplished. Hope it all works but won’t be surprised if there is waste, fraud and abuse.

    • September 3, 2013 at 4:48 pm
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      This same navigator program has been in place for Medicare for decades. Where was you outrage and skepticism then? This is more of the same fear-mongering rhetoric that has made the right-wing infamous.

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        • September 4, 2013 at 8:40 am
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          Do some research for a change, Agent. Navigators have been in place to assist people with Medicare for decades. There has been no major meltdown or scandal so far.

          • September 4, 2013 at 11:12 am
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            And, isn’t Medicare and SS almost bankrupt? These new navigators don’t even have a background check done? Can you say credit card fraud?? And Medicare is so full of fraud – I know for a fact because my Mom is on Medicare and when she gets her bills from BC/BS there are charges on there for treatments/procedures that she never even had done. She’s even phone BC/BS to complain and they don’t even do anything about the fraudulent charges. What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare?

          • September 4, 2013 at 11:58 am
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            No, they are not almost bankrupt. Social Security has been taking in about $100 billion a year more than it pays out. If nothing is done, that annual surplus will gradually shift to a deficit as the country ages, but Social Security currently has $2.6 trillion in assets, enough to cover their projected obligations for decades.

            And it’s your mother’s doctor that is committing fraud, not Medicare.

          • September 4, 2013 at 5:06 pm
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            By the time I’m ready for Meicare and SS they will both be bankrupt and we’ll all be on socialized healthcare because that’s exactly what our socialist, marxist, lame excuse for a president is leading us to and I use the word leading very loosely.

          • September 5, 2013 at 9:41 am
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            Hate to break it to you, Always, but Medicare IS socialist healthcare. Funny how nobody has a problem with that these days. In just a few short years, Obamacare will be the same. Adapt or be miserable!

  • September 3, 2013 at 1:41 pm
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    Gee, just wonder if when the rock is lifted ACORN will once again appear.

    • September 3, 2013 at 3:35 pm
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      Do you wonder where the Navigators are coming from? Planned Parenthood is getting several grants. Other Pro Obama organizations include Organizing for America (Acorn under another name?), SEIU. Those Federal Agencies participating in the data hub include IRS, Social Security Administration, Department of Homeland Security, Veterans Administration, Defense Department, Personnel Management Office and even the Peace Corps. Navigators don’t have to have a high school diploma, will be given only 20 hours training, not background check, no fingerprinting and we are supposed to trust them with our most personal and financial info. If this doesn’t scare most consumers, what will?

      • September 4, 2013 at 11:14 am
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        BTW Organizing is another name for ACORN. They never went away they’ve just changed their name.

  • September 3, 2013 at 1:44 pm
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    If these are small non profits do not have the capacity to reponse to a paperwork request, how can they possibly be qualified to help people navigate through their health insurance choices? Signing up for health insurance involves the release of much sensitive information. Isn’t this worth making sure it is done right? The grants are having the appearance of free money for these groups. I guess none of these groups had to submit extra paperwork to the IRS is requiring from some others.

  • September 3, 2013 at 1:51 pm
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    These “navigators” are getting their hands on people’s most personal information. They are given no background checks, nobody knows who they are, where the information they collect is being held…Nothing. Can you imagine George Bush sending out thousands of un-vetted people to collect the highly personal information Liberal Democrats? The Main Stream Media and the rest of the Liberal world would be aghast. With Obama…Oh…they not vetted…that’s fine…give ‘em whatever they want! You can’t make this up!

    • September 3, 2013 at 5:50 pm
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      “These “navigators” are getting their hands on people’s most personal information”. Really? You know this to be fact?

      • September 4, 2013 at 11:21 am
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        Yes, D, I do. I have a good friend who has been selling health insurance since 2008 and he is being trained as a navigator. Back in the day you only needed the person’s full name, SS and address. NOT their banking information which is how you’ll be paying for your premium. AND because of the privacy laws agents did not have access to personal information other then the underwriting questions on an application. The navigators have every detail of your personal life at their finger tips. If that doesn’t give you the willies I don’t know what will. Humana has my banking information because that is how my premium is paid, it’s taken out of my account and then my boss reimburses me and I’m fine with Humana doing so as I trust them. However, some new person off the street who could be a criminal having all this information, you bet your sweet a$$ I problem with it.

        • September 4, 2013 at 12:00 pm
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          Then don’t use a Navigator. No-one is forcing them on you.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:19 pm
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            Just a thought – Why isn’t OBama encouraging people to go to local agents? We are trained, licensed and have a much better working knowledge of the Health Policies instead of going through this expense?

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:44 pm
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            I don’t know. Is that really up to him? We should be out there marketing ourselves as a step up from Navigators. I think I made this same point over a year ago on this very blog. This is an incredible opportunity for those agents willing to do the hard work and reach out to the community.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:51 pm
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            Part of my marketing materials are slamming navigators.
            I’m getting while the getting is good… Chasing the people with Pre Exs that don’t need subsidies – hitting the $1M+ house values…
            Slam Slam Slam on the navigators. Articles like this – good stuff.
            “don’t trust who OBama says you should”. He is leading us into another war!

          • September 4, 2013 at 3:13 pm
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            Do you really think people in $1M plus homes don’t already have health insurance? I’d broaden my demographics if I were you. Maybe to include young families and the self-employed.

          • September 4, 2013 at 8:27 pm
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            Libby, I am developing marketing strategies for various demographics. I will ride the hot hand.
            Per Mick Jager – You cant always get what you want….

        • September 4, 2013 at 1:04 pm
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          Seriously, AA? You trust Humana employees with your personal information. What’s the difference? They don’t have a back ground check.

          Do you trust your doctor’s office employees? What about the lab that processes all your tests? Oh, don’t forget the hospital registration staff who are paid minimum wage and don’t have a back ground check either.

          You share your information every time you have some type of health care provided to you.

          However, all of that is beside the point. The last information I read stated that navigators were not going to have access to your information. They can answer your questions, but will not see what you are doing on the computer.

          • September 4, 2013 at 5:11 pm
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          • September 5, 2013 at 8:02 am
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            AA – you are confusing some selling insurance with someone working for an insurance company. The people at Humana who answer the phone and answer questions are not licensed agents. Yes, I know this. Humana has raided my employer for people to work in their ACA division.

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            **s/b
            confusing someone selling

          • September 5, 2013 at 9:25 am
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            “how much of the populaiton of navigaots are are going to be African American?” And you preface that with a comment about not being racist? Are you kidding me??? What the hell does someone’s race have to do with whether they are trustworthy or not??

            Sarge? Are you reading this? And you call ME the racist one here. OMG!!!

          • September 5, 2013 at 9:27 am
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            Always Amazed,

            You said, “In fact the agency I work for now did a background check, a credit check, and a criminal check. And, this should be done with all the navigators as well. And I’m not racist but how much of the population of navigators are are going to be African American? Seeing that commuintiy organizers are the ones who seem to be getting these jobs.”

            This is a perfect example of a racist not be aware that they are a racist. It sounds like you think African-American navigators equals someone with a negative credit and/or criminal background. And that they are all just community organizers.

            I do agree with you regarding background checks for navigators, but you lost all credibility with me when you made that blatantly racist comment.

            F.Y.I, preceding with the words, “I’m not racist, but…” does not excuse your racist comment, period.

          • September 5, 2013 at 12:25 pm
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            I knew there would be retribution for my comment and I am sorry for what I said those words were harsh and there is no way to try to “sugar coat” it either. I have many friends who are African American and I’m sure that they would not have appreciated my comment as well. So I do apologize for my ignorant comment. I’m sure there are community organizers of all nationalities and the color of ones skin has nothing to do with the content of ones character. Please forgive me.

          • September 5, 2013 at 2:18 pm
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            I thumbed up your apology, but after reading it again I realize you only apologized for saying what you felt in your heart. And only because it made you look bad. You did not apologize for feeling that way. That’s sad.

          • September 5, 2013 at 2:59 pm
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            That’s your spin on it Libby. I am truly sorry if I had offended anyone by my comment.

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            Accepted.

  • September 3, 2013 at 1:51 pm
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    • September 3, 2013 at 2:59 pm
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      Not the Grand Obstructionist Party. The party trying to save the country from the economic illiterate President hell bent on ruining the country.

      • September 3, 2013 at 3:02 pm
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        ..and they are ready to add regulation and now care about consumer protection. A total 180 on these two issues for the GOP. Very convenient.

    • September 3, 2013 at 4:13 pm
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      GOP vs the GAP – the Give Away Party – the Dems sure know how to spend other peoples money, but never their own. How much did Obama and his band of merry men lose on Solindra, and the other “green” projects.

      • September 4, 2013 at 8:43 am
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        I don’t know. How much did we lose on Iraq?

        • September 4, 2013 at 9:56 am
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          Difficult to measure captain. How many lives were saved by the disposition of Saddam? What else would have Saddam done had he remained in power? Could he have been behind another 9/11 type of attack? You know your boy Bill Clinton had his finger on the kill bin Laden button a few times. How much money did he save by not pressing that button? Huh? You really want to go there?

          • September 4, 2013 at 10:05 am
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            The historically challenged, such as yourself, continue to perpetuate the myth that Saddam was behind 9/11. Let me clarify it for you: HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. IT WAS AL QAEDA – all on their own.

            And yes, I really want to go there.

          • September 4, 2013 at 11:47 am
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            Dave, Saddam Hussein wasn’t behind 9/11. And, President Bush could have had Osama handed over to him, but he decided to bomb instead. Remember which administration did get Osama, though. Sure, let’s go there. Which administration armed and funded Osama Bin Laden? So, really, again, America’s problems boil back to Saint Reagan.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3wnSGgCs1g

          • September 4, 2013 at 1:46 pm
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            No, lets not go there. Lets go to Syria. Yet another conflict in the mid east we should keep our noses out of. Another cost the American Tax payer has to pay for with out us even being asked.

            The arrogance of American continues on under OBama.

          • September 4, 2013 at 1:55 pm
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            I don’t want us to go into Syria, either. We’ll see what Congress decides. I do like how President Obama is making Congress actually peform work and have the debate.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:26 pm
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            Libby:

            That lie was never perpetuated by anyone other than liberals who wanted that lie to exist.

            Note his wording, could he have been behind another 9/11 type of attack?

            If you look into history, which you don’t often,

            Saddam housed terrorists just after the attack. This is not debatable. He was in league with supporting people who attacked our nation.

            So how long before Saddam supported a terrorist organization that attacked us (again)?

            I don’t know, but I wouldn’t want it to happen (again).

            Just adding the (agains)for the historically challenged, such as yourself.

            Keep in mind, you did not even know the country in which Osama Bin Laden was found in until I gave you the source, nor did you know the name of the water boarded detainee, nor the date he was tortured, nor that date he first gave information (prior to Obama’s presidency) until I gave those links.

            You also apparently don’t know that CIA intelligence already knows for certain that Osama was hiding out in Iraq under shelter just after the 9/11 attack.

            Get your research in order.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:49 pm
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            Bob – I really wish you would stop with the personal slams and just speak to me like a human being. I’d probably listen and respond much more postively.

            Yes, I flubbed up what country bin Laden was killed in. That was over a year ago. Let it go.

            And I will not debate the merits of invading Iraq with you any longer. Hussein was not the threat you like to portray and invading Iraq was a complete disaster. Just like Cheney told us it would be years before he changed his mind to be for it. We took heavy casualties, spent countless millions, and accomplished nothing.

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:53 pm
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            In addition, the 9/11 Commission Report states there was no link between Hussein and Al Qaeda discovered.

            http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040620/news_mz1e20joyner.html

            There’s my research.

        • September 4, 2013 at 5:34 pm
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          He’s only having congress debate going to war with Syria because IF we do go to war he’ll have congress to blame and not Bush this time. He is spineless. And God forbid congess make the president look bad. Obama does a pretty good job at it himself without thier help. If he weren’t the first mixed race president he’d of been impeached already.

          • September 5, 2013 at 9:49 am
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            ANOTHER racist comment? You’re on a roll Always. You call him spineless because he won’t invade Syria without Congress? Seriously? Do you really WANT to go to war with Syria? Just like Bush with Iraq, he’s going to have all his ducks in a row before he does anything so you guys can’t jump all over him like you did with Libya. He’s really damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t as far as you all are concerned. What a bunch of BS.

          • September 5, 2013 at 12:35 pm
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            It’s true Libby and you know it and I know a lot of people who are both black and white which are republicans who feel the same way and some liberals too that are finally waking up! How would it look to the world if the first mixed race president got impeached? He should be impeached. He’s been caught in SO many lies. Just yesterday he said he didn’t draw the red line in the sand but back in 2012 he said just that. Maybe he just has a bad memory but there is such thing as YouTube and now he can’t back out of it but he is blaming everyone except himself which is what he’s always done. And the main stream media just keep on protecting him. And don’t even get me started on Monsanto and how they are poisoning us to keep the pharmaceutical companies in business and they are all in bed with the government from Obama on down.

          • September 5, 2013 at 12:44 pm
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            “He’s been caught in SO many lies.” Please list them.

            BTW, lying is not an impeachable offense. Do you even know the criteria for impeachment? I’ll let you know. It’s “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors”. None of which he has been accused of or found guilty of in a court of law.

            If anyone should have been impeached it’s George W. Bush.

          • September 5, 2013 at 12:54 pm
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            Always, after his famous Red Line speech, he is now saying it is Congress’s Red Line and the World’s Red Line, not his. If he doesn’t get his approval to attack, he will have his “blame game” going full blast. This is going to be an unmitigated disaster if we start something in Syria. Putin has said he will provide a Missile Shield to Assad and Iran said they would wipe out Israel if this attack goes forward. We could end up with WW111 in a heart beat with these crazy people. How is that Arab Spring working out so far?

          • September 5, 2013 at 12:56 pm
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            Just an FYI: this comment is totally beside the point and has nothing to do with the article…

            Isn’t Monsato a chemical altering food grower something or other? And, don’t liberals promote non-chemically enhanced food, while most big business thinks nothing of it? That doesn’t sound like someone a democrat president would support.

            On to pharma. Liberals want to regulate pharmaceutical companies to the ends of the earth. In fact, I’m positive someone above just slammed the FDA for preventing advances in pharmaceuticals. I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure big pharma is not supporting any democrats.

            Just sayin’

          • September 5, 2013 at 1:53 pm
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            World War One-hundred and eleven? Or did you mean World War III?

            And if it’s going to be “an unmitigated disaster if we start something in Syria” hasn’t Obama been prudent all this time in not moving forward?

            You Republicans crack me up. You’re the first ones to defend Dubya and Iraq by saying “Congress agreed!” But when Obama does the same exact thing, you call it “the blame game.” Incredible hypocrisy.

          • September 5, 2013 at 3:00 pm
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            NSA, IRS. Do you need more?

          • September 5, 2013 at 3:44 pm
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            First of all there has been no “proof” on wrongdoing in either scenario. Only conjecture and accusations. Second, and “proof” that you may conjure up can not be linked directly to Obama or that would have already come out. Nice try, though.

          • September 6, 2013 at 9:15 am
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            Impeached on what grounds? If President Obama made the decision to go to war without Congress, you’d be saying he’s acting like a dictator and would be furious at the fact he didn’t seek approval. You have Obama Derangement Syndrome. The man can’t do any good in your eyes. At least, that’s how it seems to me. Name something you and President Obama agree on. I’m waiting…

  • September 3, 2013 at 2:06 pm
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    Hey Republicans…how about using all that energy to make Affordable Care work in lieu of blocking, complaining, blocking, complaining. Be leaders – make healthcare available for all. Our country could sure use all that energy to move forward and help in lieu of doing nothing but complain.

    • September 3, 2013 at 2:54 pm
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      Come on SI, they are politicians… It is business as usual in Springfield DC.

  • September 3, 2013 at 2:21 pm
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    Blah, blah, blah….just let the friggen law take affect and see what works and what doesn’t and make improvements. It passed. It’s law. The Supreme court upheld it. Stop wining GOP and focus on the many other serious problems facing our country. The Boeners, Cruzes, McConnels in our congress/senate are some of the biggest wimps in history.

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      • September 4, 2013 at 11:30 am
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        Actually Always, the Muslims have a Million Muslim march scheduled for 9/11 in DC. It will be interesting to see how many actually show up and how the media will portray them when they demand Sharia Law and burn the American flag.

        • September 4, 2013 at 12:02 pm
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          Burning the American flag, while dispicable, is perfectly legal in this country.

          • September 4, 2013 at 1:45 pm
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            Libby,
            I think Agent believes all Muslims are evil. And, that’s what he is trying to intimate with his commentary above.

          • September 4, 2013 at 1:54 pm
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            Yeah, I know. He’s just to yella to come out and say it, though.

        • September 4, 2013 at 5:37 pm
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          And so do the bikers across this country showing their support for the good ol’ USA on the very same day and very same location. I’m looking forward to the news feeds on this demonstration and IF a were a biker – I’d be on my way down there too. God bless those bikers!!

    • September 4, 2013 at 2:28 pm
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      You honestly believe that a law that blended together substantial changes TOGETHER with subsidies will have the substantial changes changed?

      Hah.

      Now that it is a subsidy no poor person will want it removed.

      Since it was tied to other changes, rather than just setting up a subsidy, we can’t change the program itself.

      Stop saying wait until it passes and then make changes. Your guy made sure no changes can be made.

      Pass a subsidy all you want. That would have been fine. Pass changes in laws separately. That would have been fine. Pulling it together? That is not fine.

  • September 3, 2013 at 2:42 pm
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    I’m just going to throw this out there.

    1. Didn’t the groups have to complete all kinds of documentation for the grants? That documentation should have included what the money will be used for. Make a copy of the grant request to send to the letter writer.

    2. If the “non-profit navigator” isn’t keeping copies of all letters sent out and keeping all letters received, they shouldn’t be allowed to receive federal money. Always, always, always keep every scrap of documentation. It is the only way to cover your behind. If the group is doing the right thing and keeping copies of everything, make a copy and send it to the letter writer.

    By the way, Kinkos will make those copies for you if you don’t have a high speed copier.

    just sayin’

  • September 3, 2013 at 3:01 pm
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    Read the article carefully. Republicans want to add “regulation” and want to learn more about how these groups will affect “consumer protection”. Really. Republicans wanting more regulation and seemingly caring about consumer protection. Wow. A new day has come! I guess republicans care about the common man after all. Why people are suspicious?

    • September 3, 2013 at 3:04 pm
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      They wouldn’t need more regulation if this thing was thought through properly the first time around.

      • September 3, 2013 at 5:54 pm
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        You have no specifics to prove that this has not been planned out carefully (with many republican ideas like health exchanges and all paying into the system). It’s all Fox news fear mongering. If it does work out, think of the various republican ideas (noted above) that will be used to take credit for it’s success when future republican con men run for President down the road.

        • September 4, 2013 at 1:48 pm
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          D – what did Pelosi say when they passed it??? Some like “we have to pass it to see whats in it”??? Sounds more like shooting from the hip to me.

          • September 4, 2013 at 1:58 pm
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            Another comment taken out of context by the right.
            Her contention was that the Senate “didn’t have a bill.” And until the Senate produced an actual piece of legislation that could be matched up and debated against what was passed by the House, no one truly knew what would be voted on. “They were still trying to woo the Republicans,” Pelosi said of the Senate leadership and the White House, trying to “get that 60th vote that never was coming.”

          • September 4, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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            Libby,

            That’s a stretch and not even what she meant.

            If you’re going to defend a terrible comment, you might want to do it better.

            Allow me to assist:

            She clarified later that she meant Americans will not know how much it helps and how much it benefits them until it is in place. She said she was simply stating that people would see how much it benefited them after they had it going.

            It was not to buy the 60th vote.

            Now I don’t personally find that to be a bad comment, because we have no psychics. That is the counter argument to republicans saying that it definitely will be bad, she says it will probably be good.

            I do agree that FFA is taking it out of context, but you’re lying to yourself about what she meant.

            Look it up a little.

          • September 4, 2013 at 3:05 pm
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            I did look it up, Bob. And I also read what Politifact said about it, too. Which is the same position you took. I am talking about what she actually said about it. But I am sure you will call her a liar.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/pelosi-defends-her-infamous-health-care-remark/2012/06/20/gJQAqch6qV_blog.html

          • September 4, 2013 at 8:33 pm
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            I am just using the quote in my marketing. Another They don’t know what the hell they are doing because they are not insurance agents type of angle.

            Any surprise that I am getting audited??? A word of advice for all you OBama Haters out there, well you know…

    • September 3, 2013 at 3:41 pm
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      D Says “Wow. A new day has come!”
      I hope so! Enough of this BS all together.
      Seen a picture of Obama with his foot up on the desk on AOl today. People bitching about that… That’s how I stretch out my hammy. After sitting for several hours, it just needs to be done.

    • September 3, 2013 at 4:17 pm
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      God forbid that we want Navigators who are educated, have had background checked and are reputable to obtain all our personal info and Socials and financials. We shouldn’t be worried about ID theft, should we?

      • September 4, 2013 at 12:19 pm
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        Agent,

        I thought you didn’t like hippy lib college grads? You have posted several times what a waste of time and money a degree is. Now you want Navigators to be educated?

        Different day…different argument.

        • September 4, 2013 at 3:14 pm
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          Nebraskan, I certainly don’t want them to be high school drop outs and I want their background checked for criminal activity and to be fingerprinted like agents are when they are licensed. Perhaps they should all have to answer a questionnaire about being convicted of a felony like real insurance people do in order to be licensed and appointed. You are about as idiotic as Libby is posting in this forum.

          • September 4, 2013 at 4:03 pm
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            So sell against them, Agent. You don’t have to use them. They are there as a service.

          • September 5, 2013 at 9:05 am
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            I’m sorry you feel a need to call me idiotic…especially after you pat yourself on the back for having employees that love you…I’m sure they have to agree with you because if anyone disagrees with you, you resort to name calling. If I worked for you, I would be the most conservative woman in the world in front of you…I know how that game works. Good for you, boss man.

          • September 5, 2013 at 1:04 pm
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            I hear ya, Nebraskan. It’s a role played by many, but that doesn’t make the boss a great boss. It makes the boss a fool because someone pulling the wool over his eyes. ;)

  • September 3, 2013 at 6:58 pm
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    In refusing to expand Medicaid, legislators in 21 states, most of them “red,” are not only denying their poorest citizens coverage, but also turning away billions of dollars from the federal government. Some members of Congress are refusing to help their own constituents navigate the new exchanges to get the benefits available to them. According to the Washington Post, some state legislators are getting quite creative, “refusing to enforce consumer protections, for example, and restricting federally funded workers hired to help people enroll in coverage.” In Missouri, “officials have been barred from doing anything to help put the law into

  • September 4, 2013 at 5:14 am
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    Imagine demanding some accountability! WOW! Agents have to get licensed and be vetted. Why not these “navigators?”

    • September 4, 2013 at 8:46 am
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      • September 4, 2013 at 11:33 am
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        Yes, Libby, they are. You need to get a grip. My friend has been an agent since 2008 and he is also going to be a navigator. They are one in the same. And he didn’t even have to have a background check to become a navigator nor did any one else in his class with United Health care which caused him great alarm.

        • September 4, 2013 at 12:04 pm
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          • September 4, 2013 at 5:16 pm
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            Almost and when he’s done with his training, Queenie, I’ll be the firs one to give you the scoop.

          • September 5, 2013 at 9:54 am
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            You don’t actually think I’d take your word for it, do you? No wonder you’re Always Amazed!

  • September 4, 2013 at 11:57 am
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      More unresearched rhetoric from the right. I’m sure you don’t know that four different independent investigations by various state and city Attorneys General and the GAO cleared ACORN, finding its employees had not engaged in criminal activities and that the organization had managed its federal funding appropriately, and calling the videos deceptively and selectively edited to present the workers in the worst possible light.

      But that didn’t make the headlines on FoxNews, did it??

  • September 4, 2013 at 12:03 pm
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    Another good read:

    patriotupdate.com/2013/04/hhs-resurrects-acorn-through-obamacare/‎Cached

  • September 4, 2013 at 1:56 pm
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    My top producer sat in a Blue Cross “School on OBama Care” last night.

    After sitting though the presentation and getting to the Q & A session, even BCBS could not answer the questions people want answered – Coverage – Premium – Subsidy.

    Let me say that again – Even the Exchange writer cant answer the questions people need answered.

    • September 4, 2013 at 2:01 pm
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      The exchange writer? Where did you get that idea? Blue Cross has to submit plans and rates to the state for approval in the exchange, just like every other carrier that wants to participate. The rates and plans have to have been developed, they have just not been released to the public. That will happen, in Illinois, on 10/1/13. That’s 3-1/2 weeks away. All your questions and frustrations will not make it come any faster.

      • September 4, 2013 at 2:25 pm
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        From what I have seen & been through, BCBS is an Exchange writer. So far, in IL, all I have been able to verify on the Personal side, its just BCBS and Humana. I have heard grumblings that the state is putting together their own plan (like anyone in Springfield knows what they are doing). I find that odd as they are currently engaging the gov in legal action over their pay checks.

        If you know more, please let me know.

        • September 4, 2013 at 3:10 pm
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          Don’t know more at this time. It’s a shame most states spent so much time fighting the law and ignoring their responsibilities that it has to come down to the wire like this. Not so in CA, CO, OR, VT, WA and 6 other states.

          http://obamacare.healthinsuranceexchangeenvoy.com/index.php/obamacare-state-premium-rate-releases/

          • September 4, 2013 at 4:52 pm
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            Yes Libby, It is a shame that the home state of Obama didn’t bother to set up their exchange either. I would say they ignored their responsibilities too. Pretty surprising since they are one of the bluest states in the union.

  • September 4, 2013 at 8:37 pm
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    Than07/22/2013 11:07 PM — Crain’s Chicago Business — The Quinn administration hired an IT contractor to begin work on an exchange website. The IT work is a major component of what the state will need to operate its own health insurance marketplace, possibly beginning in 2015″

    Beginning in 2015. HMMMM.

    • September 5, 2013 at 12:33 pm
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      Hey FFA, kind of late in the game to begin setting up the exchange in Illinois, don’t you think? How viable will it be since the date is 10-1 and how will the security be tested to make sure the hackers don’t have a field day? Where is Quin getting the money to hire the IT contractor? Did Sebelius send him a check?

      • September 5, 2013 at 12:46 pm
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        Until they have their state exchange up and running, they will be using the federal exchange. And the answers to all of your questions will most likely not be answered until 2015, so why even ask them? Are you really that dumb or are you just pretending?

      • September 5, 2013 at 5:04 pm
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        I have no idea where he got the money from. This state is broke. They cant pay the bills they currently have and they are spending money on this.

      • September 6, 2013 at 1:37 pm
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        Agent – Par for the course in Illinois.

  • September 4, 2013 at 8:50 pm
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    Libby, thanks for the link. As expected – nothing on Illinois.

  • September 5, 2013 at 1:28 pm
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      You proved nothing but that you are a lame sheep being led around by the nose by the Tea Party propoganda.

      So some lame ass “organization” is printing an ad in the newspaper. BFD. The House has to impeach him and the Senate remove him from office. Ain’t happenin’ babe.

      • September 5, 2013 at 3:17 pm
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        Libby, Obama had no business ever getting elected as president because he had no experience for the job period! It was the lame sheeple just as yourself you got him elected and sadly re-elected and we are about to go to war for what? Defending the very people who want to kill us? Obama give 400B to the Muslim Brotherhood a known terrorist group and you still think he’s a saint. If any one is lame it is YOU and all the blind sheep that put this inexperienced “save the world” community organizer that held that position probably longer then he was a senator and now he’s got his butt in a sling because in 2012 HE himself drew the red line in the sad and now he’s blaming everyone under the sun except for himself because that’s what he has done along. He wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped him in the face the man is a pathological liar. Thank goodness for YouTube. And any man who puts his feet upon priceless antiques in the white house – well – I don’t have a lot of respect for him in that aspect either.

        • September 5, 2013 at 3:47 pm
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          Well, if I had $400B I’d give it to my peeps, too. After all, Obama is a Egyptian and closet member of the Muslim Brotherhood isn’t he?

          I guess anything with the word Muslim in it turns you racist as well. At least you are not discriminatory in your bigotry.

          • September 5, 2013 at 4:08 pm
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            Everyone is a racist expcept of course you. You’ve bored me long enough. Can you say ba-bye?

          • September 5, 2013 at 4:28 pm
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            Always a pleasure, Always. And yes, I am not a racist.

        • September 5, 2013 at 4:06 pm
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          All kidding aside, I have not verified this but an article I read says:

          “Every year, the U.S. Congress appropriates more than $1 billion in military aid to Egypt. But that money never gets to Egypt. It goes to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, then to a trust fund at the Treasury and, finally, out to U.S. military contractors that make the tanks and fighter jets that ultimately get sent to Egypt.”

          So it’s Congress that approves military aid to Egypt. Not Obama.

          Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-us-wont-cut-aid-to-egypt-2013-8#ixzz2e3COdC3L

          • September 6, 2013 at 10:40 am
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            I vaguely remember reading that some where else (I haven’t been to business insider). Not that my saying it makes it true.

          • September 6, 2013 at 12:41 pm
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            I seen in on the Ap end of August. OBama sending $1.5B in aid over there….
            WHY????? done we have hungry / uninsured people that need that assistance.

            Why is the Mid East so damn important? Oil? We have our own.

          • September 6, 2013 at 1:02 pm
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            Yes, Congress does appropriate $1B for Egypt, but it doesn’t go over there. It goes in American defense contractor’s pockets and they get some military equipment. I agree we shouldn’t be giving them anything, but it’s not like we’re handing over cash. It’s just a big corporate welfare/fraud scheme.

        • September 6, 2013 at 12:42 pm
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          You forgot to mention that he is from Illinois.

        • September 6, 2013 at 5:18 pm
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          Hey Always, Libby has been ranting about GW for years about the Iraq war and failing to find WMD’s and now her President is doing the same thing with Syria with far more serious ramifications if it goes forward as he wants. Perhaps Obama’s middle name should be changed to Cowboy. I think it is all a ploy to Wag the dog and deflect attention from his very poor rating (35%) on the economy and the looming trainwreck of Obamacare. Keep the attention diverted and people will only pay attention to Syria and a very bad situation brewing there.

    • September 5, 2013 at 2:39 pm
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      Always, you should go onto http://www.atlah.org and listen to Rev Manning sometime. He is a black pastor whose organization impeached Obama 3 years ago and has been outspoken in his criticism of Obama. He lays it all out for everyone to see and hear.

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        An organization can not impeach a President. Where do you come up with this stuff, Agent? Out of your left ear or further down south?

        • September 5, 2013 at 3:21 pm
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          Libby,

          Agent, for some reason, believes that if someone who happens to be black speaks out against President Obama it holds more weight. I am not sure why, but he must use that adjective any chance he gets.

          I can only guess that he has bought the right’s position that all black people are liberal Democrats who support(ed) President Obama. So, when one of them speaks out against President Obama, it must confirm Agent’s narrative.

          • September 5, 2013 at 3:49 pm
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            He’s a real winner, that’s for sure.

        • September 6, 2013 at 5:22 pm
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          Libby, I didn’t say it went anywhere, but the Reverend did present the evidence and convicted him and the results were sent to Congress, but of course it died on the vine since they are a bunch of spineless nitwits in Congress. You should listen to Rev Manning sometime. He makes a whole lot more sense than any of our politicians and he can run circles around Jesse Jackson, Charlie Rangel and others of their ilk.

      • September 5, 2013 at 4:39 pm
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        Gee, he must be a racist? Is it possible to be of the same race and be considered a racist? I’ve never seen our country so racially divided. Instead of bring us all together as everyone who voted for Obama thought – he only widened the gap. Trayvon Martin gets gunned down and Obama’s on the TV saying “If he had a son he’d look like Trayvon Martin.” However, an athlete from Australia, Lane, gets shot in the back in cold blood while jogging in OK and you don’t hear a peep from Obama, or Al Sharpton showing their outrage. Obama should have never opened his mouth when Trayvon who was shot by a “White Hispanic.” Is there such a thing? And I know plenty of people who find the word Hispanic offensive as well. IF so, then would it be safe to say that we now have a “White African American” president? Just askin’.

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          Why is necessary to even mention his race? I think the term for caucasian/African-American is mulato.

          And yes, it’s possible to be racist against your own race. It’s called self-hatred.

          • September 5, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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            Self-hatred – that’s a new one – typical coming from you. Why mention race? “If I had a son he’d look look like Travyon Martin.” because if he were white I suppose he wouldn’t have looked anything like a son that Obama would have had. However, he might have looked like any of the 3 who gunned down Lane if Obama had a son. So what is the correct classification for someone who is white and, sorry for the term, Hispanic?

          • September 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm
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            Self-hatred is a new one? Where have you been? Under a rock?

            Self-hatred (also called self-loathing) refers to an extreme dislike or hatred of oneself, or being angry at or even prejudiced against oneself. The term is also used to designate a dislike or hatred of a group, family, social class, mental illness, or stereotype to which one belongs and/or has. For instance, “ethnic self-hatred” is the extreme dislike of one’s ethnic group or cultural classification. It may be associated with aspects of autophobia.

            The term “self-hatred” is used infrequently by psychologists and psychiatrists, who would usually describe people who hate themselves as “persons with low self-esteem”.

            Please read a book.

          • September 6, 2013 at 5:28 pm
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            How is that hatred working out in Chicago? Black on black murder has been out of control for a long time. If you don’t believe me, ask FFA who lives there. Gangs roam the street and shoot people at random or they have a gang shootout and innocents are killed. Why doesn’t Imanuel raid the gangs and confiscate their guns and do some arrests? I heard a report the other day that in Sargeants home town of Detroit, a 911 call is responded to in 58 minutes and yet the gun control freaks say to just call the Police and let them handle it. Oops! the victims have been dead for a long time before they show up and all they do is call the morgue.

          • September 6, 2013 at 6:13 pm
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            Agent Says – How is that hatred working out in Chicago? Black on black murder has been out of control for a long time. If you don’t believe me, ask FFA who lives there”.

            All true there Agent, Last year, Murder rate up 50%. This year so far down 25%. Still up 25% over three years. No killing reported in Safe Passage Zones yet. Last week per ABC News at 10:00pm while all the cops were in safe passage mode, a rapist wanders attacking women while cops are busy protecting kids.

            Solve one problem just to get another????

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            “How is that hatred working out in Chicago? Black on black murder has been out of control for a long time.”

            Just what is your point with this statement, Agent?

        • September 6, 2013 at 9:36 am
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          President Obama was asked about the Trayvon Martin shooting. It’s not like he walked out into the Rose Garden and held a press conference about it. Have any reporters asked him about the Australian? If one did, I’m sure President Obama would have an opinion.

  • September 5, 2013 at 5:33 pm
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    I know we’ve (I) have been getting way off the subject – but our coward in chief, who drew red line in the sand back in 2012, is gettting us in quite the mess:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/04/al-qaeda-promises-to-slaughter-christians-after-obama-helps-topple-assad/

    Nice going – it’s not his fault, it’s the nations fault, it’s congresses fault – is it to late to blame Bush?

    • September 6, 2013 at 5:32 pm
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      Actually Always, James Carville, the Clinton advisor already blamed GW for the Syrian mess. I saw a picture on the internet of then Senator John & Teresa Heinz Kerry having dinner with Bashar Assad and wife in 2009 when they thought he was a good guy. Now, Kerry wants to blow Assad up. Politics makes strange bedfellows, doesn’t it?

  • September 6, 2013 at 9:38 am
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    Uhhh, the red line was actually drawn by the UN. Obama did say red line, too. I’ll give you that. But, if he decided to take action without Congress’ approval, you’d be crying about President Obama acting like a dictator and abusing his Presidential powers. Obama Derangement Syndrome.

    • September 6, 2013 at 12:38 pm
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      He is between a rock and a hard spot. He is going to be blasted for doing everything, nothing and any point in between.

      One of our Il congress men had a town hall last night (WGN AM News). Everyone the news showed was blasting the powers that be for even thinking about it. Seems – from that small sample – that no American wants another Mid East Conflict.

      Just think Cap & Libby- your going to be blasting OBama for getting us involved in this just like you do with Bush & Iraq. BTW, I blast any one that send troops over there. They hate us. Let them kill each other off and be done with the Evil in that region.

      • September 6, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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        I am on record, I do not support bombing Syria. Doesn’t matter to me who The President is. Stop with all of the attacking already!

        • September 6, 2013 at 3:03 pm
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          Well Cap, its not up to the American People how our Tax Dollars are spent. We have no say on how our hard earned money they take is spent…

          • September 6, 2013 at 3:21 pm
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            Ditto on that, too.

        • September 6, 2013 at 3:20 pm
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          Ditto.

      • September 6, 2013 at 6:17 pm
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        Just found this on AOL:
        Update, 5:45 p.m.: As of 5:45 p.m. Eastern Time, AOL.com’s unofficial opinion poll had exceeded 145,000 respondents and current voting totals as of that time show that 76 percent of AOL users who have taken part in the poll oppose a military strike in Syria. Meanwhile, the Obama administration is still pushing hard for intervention. Secretary of State John Kerry told The Huffington Post on Friday afternoon that President Obama has the right to order military strikes on Syria even if Congress doesn’t authorize the plan.

        What we want just don’t matter to the folks in DC – OBama and Kerry in particular.

        • September 9, 2013 at 9:24 am
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          FFA – what he APPEARS to be doing and what will actually be done might be two different things. The rest of the world is urging us to intervene. He has to make it look like he is pushing for that even if he is not, which I’m not saying is the case. But sending over a few missiles is alot different than sending troops over there. As you yourself said, he’s between a rock and a hard place right now.

          • September 9, 2013 at 10:43 am
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            There are just some jobs in this world I would never take no matter how much the pay.
            Some of my local clients were urging me to run for Mayor. NO F’n WAY!!!!

          • September 9, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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            I watched one of the Sunday MOrn shows. I think it was Meet The Press. The Congress men/women seemed hell bent that it was going to pass the Senate and on the House.
            I don’t know exactly what that means. Me personally, I would just assume stay out.. But, my opinion don’t count to them folks.

        • September 9, 2013 at 6:20 pm
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          FFA, Did you see the NYT/CBS poll? 91% said we should send in all 535 members of House/Senate to be the troops on the ground in Syria. I think there might be some needed turnover in leadership. We should make Harry & Nancy lead the charge. Wouldn’t they be cute in their battle fatigues?

          • September 10, 2013 at 9:06 am
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            Right beside Boehner.

          • September 10, 2013 at 12:40 pm
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            That’s a great idea. Can we send in Obama and Quinn too??? The entire white house staff, every on one in DC too????

  • September 9, 2013 at 10:46 am
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    Hey Agent – Is your Defense for real??? Just a fluke last night?

    What a hell of an opening day. Bears game – very entertaining. GB v San Fran slugging it our followed by the Dallas Giants game. All after Manning put on a clinic.

    • September 9, 2013 at 1:05 pm
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      Well FFA, Dallas & Chicago are both 1-0, but I have been telling you that Dallas is not a sound team. They get three turnovers early and get 3 points. 6 for the game and barely win. If the Bears or New England had gotten the same gifts, the game would have been a rout. These guys just play helter skelter and don’t execute properly. Penalties at home are a sure prescription that they will lose soon. My guess is they will go into Kansas City next week and Andy Reid will hand them their head.

      • September 9, 2013 at 2:18 pm
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        I am scouting the Defense for my Fantasy team. I saw what you are talking about with your O Line. Romo looked a lot like Cutler has the past few year getting hit constantly. Problems with the Offense were very clear in Dallas.

        • September 9, 2013 at 6:24 pm
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          Supposedly, Garrett is not calling the offensive plays this year and turned it over to Callahan. It doesn’t look much different than last year and they still get way too many penalties, especially holding. Those are the drive killers. Romo will not last until mid season with this kind of beating he is taking. I don’t care if they put him in Kevlar from shoulder to waste, he will not make it.

          • September 10, 2013 at 12:14 pm
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            No denying he took a beating early and often. He did show me he is a tough guy.

          • September 11, 2013 at 2:51 pm
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            Romo was pretty tough to hang in there even when they gave him a sandwich job to his ribs. He came back in the second half and played well, but it will take all week to get rid of the soreness. KC is noting all this and will be after him on Sunday. Who do the Bears play?



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