Poll: 72% Oppose Government Shutdown Linked to Health Care

By Greg Giroux | October 1, 2013

  • October 1, 2013 at 9:36 am
    Ron says:
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    Hey Agent,

    Since you like to reference poll numbers so much, what does it say that more people are against shutting down the government to defund the ACA than those who are against the ACA? I will venture a guess that you will find a way to discredit this poll since it does not support your narrative.

    • October 1, 2013 at 12:36 pm
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      The 22% for the shutdown to defund the ACA is about the size of the House Republican suicide bomber caucus. It also means that 22% of these obstructionists are negatively impacting the other 78% of the nation.

      This does not bode well for them in the general election in 2016 as extremists on any side of the political spectrum cannot — and will not win an election.

      • October 1, 2013 at 1:33 pm
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        Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it. Get your head out of the sand.

        • October 1, 2013 at 2:33 pm
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          Dear Reader. I will get my head of out of the sand when you get your mind out of that river called De-Nial.

    • October 1, 2013 at 1:30 pm
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      Oh SNAP!

  • October 1, 2013 at 12:47 pm
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    Well wuddaya know? The majority of Americans are NOT against the ACA and do NOT appreciate the terrorist tactics of the Tea Party extremists. So much for your visions of grandeur.

    • October 1, 2013 at 12:59 pm
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      “They oppose the health-care law by 47 percent to 45 percent.”
      I could be reading that wrong, but doesn’t that indicate that more Americans ARE against the ACA? I am not a fan of the ACA, but I agree, the GOP is shooting themselves in the foot with this shutdown and it’s going to seriously hurt them in 2016.

    • October 1, 2013 at 1:31 pm
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      You are so far off the mark. I have to assume you know nothing about statistics. So, I’ll let you off easy.

      • October 1, 2013 at 1:42 pm
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        I’m not that far off the mark. I stand corrected abut my first statement, but 47% to 45% is really too close to call.

        But it is overwhelmingly evident the American people are fed up with Republicans attempting to hold this country hostage over it.

        • October 1, 2013 at 1:50 pm
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          Well thankfully, the American people don’t vote for my representative. I do.

        • October 1, 2013 at 2:07 pm
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          The way I see it, the House (and therefore republicans) is actually being held hostage by the Senate and Exec branch. They have asked for meetings to try and come to a compromised agreement and were denied. I think this is a desperate, last ditch (and ultimately, ineffective) attempt to try and show the public that they have no input into general policy and are basically being swept aside as decision makers. This was the only card they still had in their hand. I don’t support a lockout, things should have been handled well before this, but I understand why they’re doing it.

          • October 1, 2013 at 2:20 pm
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            Okay, I’m not the brightest crayon in the box but why do the Republicans and the Tea Party get blamed for a government shutdown? Why doesn’t the press view the Demo’s refusal to separate the ACA out as the reason for the shutdown? Also this writer says that there will be a “fine”, didn’t the Supreme Court say it was constitutional because it was a “tax”? With the ACA now in motion and all the companies (IBM, Walgreens etc..) dumping their employees and/or spouses health care plans I think that bell is about to get rung.

          • October 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm
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            Ben,

            You can see it any way you want. Both sides are holding each other hostage. The Republican House has indicated that they will not pass a bill that does not defund the ACA and the Democratic Senate has indicated that they will not pass a bill that defunds the ACA. What is there to negotiate?

            If people want to have input, they need to be prepared to vote for the challenger, regardless of party affiliation or whether or not they like their representative, in EVERY election. The only way we the people can send a clear message is to “vote the bums out” including your own.

          • October 1, 2013 at 3:13 pm
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            Ben:

            Your statement “They have asked for meetings to try and come to a compromised agreement and were denied.” is naive at best. They have extended a carefully crafted olive branch in an effort to APPEAR to be trying to negotiate. The compromise they offer is a delay in implementing Obamacare in return for short-term government funding. Short-term enough to tide them over until the 2014 elections, in which they think they will take control Congress and repeal Obamacare.

            Don’t fall for the wolf in sheep’s clothing.

        • October 1, 2013 at 2:10 pm
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          … Or maybe I’m just watching too much House of Cards…

          • October 1, 2013 at 2:43 pm
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            Dear Original Bob:

            The Republican and Tea Party gets the blame as they created a false platform on which to withhold the budget and shut the government. If they don’t like the law, then they need to go through the same channels that passed it to amend it.

            But being spoiled little boys and girls who are stomping their feet in the candy aisle of the supermarket because mommy or daddy won’t cave in to that big double bag of holloween candy is just a tantrum. Public tantrum — but a tandrum nevertheless.

            The Democrats only have to sit back and watch Republican v. Republican as the ACA is the law of the land. There is nothing to negotiate.

          • October 1, 2013 at 3:18 pm
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            Love that show!

          • October 1, 2013 at 5:16 pm
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            Celtica
            “Law of the Land” right out of the Demo’s playbook except when the Pres decides they do not need to enforce it. One of my idols, MLK said something about unjust laws – what was that?

  • October 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm
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    When do these surveys ever come out? I NEVER see these so called surveys… EVER.

  • October 1, 2013 at 1:31 pm
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    WHO took these surveys? When? I have never seen any of these mysterious “Surveys”

  • October 1, 2013 at 1:36 pm
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    Let the ACA go through, but only if ALL of the waivers are cancelled and the Congress is also subject to it – otherwise let’s have the shutdown. Either everyone suffers (or benefits, according to some) or nobody does – ONLY FAIR.
    The administration knows that if the waivers are overturned (and they too are subject to it), they don’t have a chance in any future election that includes any conversation about this law. THAT is what I hope the Republicrats hold out for – only that. That will be enough.

    • October 1, 2013 at 1:39 pm
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      Ok, just read this in The Atlantic Wire:

      “Rep. Tom Cotton of Arkansas, who’s running for Senate in 2014, tried to sign up for healthcare as well, but got an error message full of code…. (Like all members of Congress, Cotton initially had health care under the Federal Employee Benefit Health Plan. Before Obamacare was passed, Sen. Chuck Grassley insisted on making members of Congress and their staff lose their employer contribution to their health insurance and sign up for coverage on an Obamacare exchange. As this amounts to a pay cut for staffers already making relatively low salaries, it has become quite controversial.)”

      Congress and their staffers ARE subject to the ACA.

      http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/10/obamacare-glitches/70056/

      • October 1, 2013 at 1:47 pm
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        You’re half way home…..GET RID OF THE WAIVERS!

        • October 1, 2013 at 1:59 pm
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          Ok. I have no problem with that.

          • October 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm
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            Then we have an agreement….
            Let the nightmare begin!

    • October 1, 2013 at 1:41 pm
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      Hey PETE,
      The ACA already went through. It’s no longer a bill like the House Republicans are trying to make it out to be. It is the LAW. Passed, upheld by SCOTUS, and reaffirmed with the landslide re-election of President Obama.

      • October 1, 2013 at 1:46 pm
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        Hey Cap:
        The waivers WERE NOT part of the law! You can have the law….but jury rigging it to apply to whomever you desire is not authorized within the 1800 pages of BS. READ IT!
        And look up the word `landslide’!

      • October 1, 2013 at 1:54 pm
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        In addition, law or not, the purse strings are held by the House of Representatives (per the Constitution)! If `the law’ were the only issue, then why is the Justice Dept. selectively enforcing ONLY the `laws’ they agree with and not the ones they don’t…..`it’s the law’, right?!

      • October 1, 2013 at 6:47 pm
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        It was not a landslide, and the re-election was not a sign of validation of Obamacare, it was basically the lesser of two evils to the public.

        For the vast majority of it’s passage, the affordable healthcare law has been viewed more unfavorably than favorably.

        You can’t just mix a winning election to a mandate. Otherwise, the Iraq war was justified by Bush’s second winning eh?

  • October 1, 2013 at 1:49 pm
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    • October 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm
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      Let’s start with the House of Representatives …

      • October 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm
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        Let’s start with Harry Reid and the Senate…

        • October 2, 2013 at 2:05 pm
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          Start at the top. If a leader cant lead, he should not be in a position to lead.

  • October 1, 2013 at 2:01 pm
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    72% Oppose Government Shutdown Linked to Health Care??
    WoW! Do we now have that many living off of the taxpayers tit?? Can Insurance Journal be fair and balance here and seek a conservtive group for their pollings and comments?

  • October 1, 2013 at 2:02 pm
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    To quote Poll’s website:

    From September 23 – 29, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,497 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

    The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D., conducts public opinion surveys in Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Virginia and the nation as a public service and for research.

    So this entire article is based on polling 1497 voters in generally liberal, Eastern states for the most part. I have to wonder how many independent or conservative voters were polled?

    “Stupid is as stupid does”, F Gump.

  • October 1, 2013 at 2:09 pm
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    I did read the bill twice and 332 to 206 is pretty much kicking arse. The law is for those that are uninsured. So, if an employer already has a plan in place, they are exempt from the ACA. Same went for Congressional members until Chuck Grassley, in 2009, had a provision put in the law making members get insurance through the exchanges (except for committee members). So, if you do your homework, you will find in the law, “Notwithstanding any other provision of the law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and Congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are – (1) created under this Act (or an Amendment made by this Act); or (2) offered thorugh an Exchange established under this Act (or an Amendment made by this Act).
    You must have missed the part about large employers in the law as well as this piece about Congress. Perhaps you should take another look. All this screaming is a heck of a lot about nothing. And, it’s going to kill the GOP. Especially since having Congress included in this law was furthered by a member of the GOP (who also told us there are death panels in the ACA).

    Don’t believe me, go to any fact checker out there. This is as big of a lie as “government takeover of healthcare.”

    • October 1, 2013 at 2:20 pm
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      Stupid question… Why do I get dislikes when I said essentially the same thing – congress & staffers are subject to ACA? (I just didn’t quote the actual law)

      • October 2, 2013 at 2:28 pm
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        JW – Its because people are preprogramed for a knee jerk response based on the poster.

        • October 3, 2013 at 9:13 am
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          Very true, FFA. I expect to get littered with dislikes. I rarely vote myself. I read comments (except Bob’s) even if they are hidden.

          Did you see D Rose said he will run over his own mother? I think this guy is just trying to get cameras to turn his way. He better hope he’s ready.

          • October 3, 2013 at 10:53 am
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            He should keep his mouth shut…. I didn’t see that, but I take it as disrespect the way you have it posted here. I’ld kill for my mom.

          • October 3, 2013 at 11:45 am
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            He meant it as a joke…sort of. I failed to provide context in the assumption you had seen or heard the quote:
            “If it’s my mom on the court, she’s going to get killed.” – meaning, if she gets in his way. He is on a mission this year. Again, I just hope the skill set backs up his yapper.

          • October 4, 2013 at 2:17 pm
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            Havent been watching the news as of late… Just too much ugly crap going on these days and don’t want to see it.

    • October 1, 2013 at 2:29 pm
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      Exempt from the ACA? I can give you a list of 100+ employers (over 50 employees) that will disagree AND prove you wrong. The law, as designed, destroys the system of employer provided health insurance in the small company arena – it’s already happening.

      But, again, if you’re right – GET RID OF THE WAIVERS!

      Ultimately, this is designed to push the system to Federalized Healthcare – a National Health Insurance System. 2+2=4.
      Whether you agree or disagree with the goal, AT LEAST BE HONEST!

      As to your final `big lie’ comment, we shall see.

    • October 1, 2013 at 3:47 pm
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      Capt. do you understand the taxes that are being put on employers that are providing health plans for their employees? One of our groups with 130 employees is going to be paying more than $2,000,000 for their group health plan and in 2014 add a $70,000 tax for providing that coverage. This is CRAP!! Good thing oil business is booming in or area or so many people would be out of work.

    • October 1, 2013 at 4:15 pm
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      Chuck Grassley was also the genius behind Medicare Part D!

  • October 1, 2013 at 2:56 pm
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    The DEMs need to claim 17 seats in the House to gain a majority. That’s a lot of turnover. However, this seemingly insurmountable deficit in the House is now possible because the GOP let a handful of extreme right wingers take over their party. Don’t think Humpty’s gonna be able to put that egg back together.

  • October 1, 2013 at 3:07 pm
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    The Republicans are blamed because Ted Cruz, Senator, Republican, Texas staked a position that he would force a government shutdown unless Congress acted to defund and stop the PPACA.

  • October 1, 2013 at 3:32 pm
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    So let me get this straight. The “Affordable” Care Act requires an increase in the debt ceiling…. or should that be another increase in the debt ceiling because we can’t afford it??? In true American colors 78% of the people in our country feel that we should allow our government to go further into debt to prove that we can afford to pay for Obamacare. The baby boomers parents knew how to control their spending, they didn’t buy what they couldn’t afford. That should be the same in our government as in our households. Guess I support the 22%!

    • October 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm
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      That would be fine, Dan, if we hadn’t already spent it. We only need an increase in the debt ceiling to pay bills that have already been incurred. Since when is it American to welch on your debts and be a deadbeat?

      I agree we need to trim spending, but we can’t do that if the government is shut down. Not to mention the effect of another hit to our credit rating. And all the money that is not being spent in the economy because government workers are not being paid.

      If we have another downgrade of our credit rating, when we end up increasing the debt ceiling (because we will) it will cost us that much MORE money to borrow. We have to increase the debt ceiling and then demand that Congress get their act together and do what’s right by the American people.

      • October 1, 2013 at 4:51 pm
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        “We only need an increase in the debt ceiling to pay bills that have already been incurred.” Do you seriously believe the government is ONLY going to do that? That’s like an alcoholic asking you for money so he can pay off his bar tab, promising, “I’m not going to buy any more booze, honest, I just want to pay for what I already drank!” You really are gullible, aren’t you? And we already ARE demanding that Congress get their act together and do what’s right by the American people – the problem is, Congress isn’t listening. So how do we get them to listen? (Either side – Repubs or Dems).

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          Connie, great analogy!

      • October 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm
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        Libby, I don’t see how borrowing more money and going into more debt is really considered America paying the bills. In fact the only reason they want an increase in the debt ceiling is because they don’t want to actually have to pay their bills. It is like getting a new credit card with a higher limit and using it to pay off your last credit card.

        And we won’t be downgraded again after the government went after the S&P with a retaliation suit after last time. Their extortionist message got across to them I am sure.

        What we need to do is not raise the debt ceiling and just force them to cut spending now, not give them another bump and make them promise to quit their addiction tomorrow. That is how you demand of Congress, take their money away. The functional services of Gov’t aren’t as expensive as they like to make them out to be, they still have tax revenues of what close to 17 trillion? I am sure they can manage and maybe become more efficient in the process.

        • October 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm
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          meant to guess 7 not 17 trillion!

      • October 2, 2013 at 2:09 pm
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        Libby says “That would be fine, Dan, if we hadn’t already spent it. We only need an increase in the debt ceiling to pay bills that have already been incurred. Since when is it American to welch on your debts and be a deadbeat?’

        Since the invention of the attorney.

        • October 4, 2013 at 8:05 am
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          HA! Good one FFA.

          • October 4, 2013 at 2:21 pm
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            Unfortunately JW, its the sad truth.

            Got called to the carpet yesterday for something that happened two years ago. Client declined coverage on a structure that burnt down because he tied the electric feed in before the meter. Carrier paid according to policy term. The filed claim against me that was denied. Yesterday, I called in for a deposition. I told them folks not covered. Had her sign acknowledgement of no coverage. But still keep coming after me because some snake in the grass lawyer. claiming bad faith…

          • October 4, 2013 at 2:36 pm
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            Yeah, I’m not surprised. What a pain.

      • October 3, 2013 at 6:05 pm
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        Sounds like solid Politician’s reasoning. We spent too much so we need an increase of the debit limit, so we can spend too much so we’ll need an increase of the debit limit, so we can spend too much so we’ll need an increase of the debit limit, so we can spend too much so we’ll need an increase of the debit limit…..
        When will the voters get their heads out of the sand, stop supporting the media that does opinions omitting what they don’t like, not news. Give us the news not a slanted cut and paste version and let us form our own opinions.

  • October 1, 2013 at 3:45 pm
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    You are correct, Captain Planet, that Congress and Congressional staffers did not receive a “waiver” from the ACA. The part you missed, however, was that when they found out how much their new healthcare was going to cost, they complained and received an exemption from the income limit that would knock them out of the subsidy to pay for coverage in the exchanges. Therefore, they get the subsidy no matter what their income is. That’s fair.

  • October 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm
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    The ACA was passed by a bunch of dimwits many of whom never even read the bill and plenty of legislators were either bribed, coerced, or blackmailed into voting yes in voting for the bill. The vast majority of those I have spoken to who are in favor of this horrible bill think that medical care will now be free and everyone will be covered. They are blissfully unaware of the costs to the American public and they have no clue as to how AARP, Congress, Unions, and others have obtained waivers exempting them from ACA.

    How sad that our nation has become a bunch of wimpy parasites who want more and more freebies that will be paid for by the evil rich.

    BTW- Before his election in 2008, Barry Obama said loudly and publicly that his ultimate goal is a government run single payer system. I also saw him at least twice say the same thing early in his first term.

    Libby and all of her socialist friends have had no first hand experience dealing with a government run single payer system. I have. All of my middle age and older family in the UK are now dead because of healthcare rationing. I now have no living relatives that I know of.

    Railing against this incredibly stupid, complex, and evil program certainly does not make one an extreme right winger. It is irresponsible to cede one’s rights to a monolithic and tyrannical federal government that looks more and more like the old Soviet Union.

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      I agree, but actually, not the USSR…Nazi Germany. This kind of program and other “populist” social programs are how Hitler gained popularity in the Nazi party.

    • October 7, 2013 at 12:03 pm
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      “All of my middle age and older family in the UK are now dead because of healthcare rationing.”

      I am very sorry to hear this!

      Were your relatives refused treatment for specific illnesses because they were too sick or too elderly? That sounds barbaric.

  • October 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm
    Ron says:
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    Water Bug,

    You said, “BTW- Before his election in 2008, Barry Obama said loudly and publicly that his ultimate goal is a government run single payer system. I also saw him at least twice say the same thing early in his first term.”

    Does that mean we should stop calling the PPACA “Obamacare” since it is not what he wanted?

  • October 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm
    D says:
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    GOP = God Awful Politics

    • October 3, 2013 at 5:14 pm
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      Gee, thanks for that incisive comment. Takes me back to 5th grade.

      Also, wouldn’t that be GAP? That about sums it up for me.

  • October 1, 2013 at 4:52 pm
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    Do I support a government shutdown aimed at delaying the ACA? No, not really, seems like lame party line politics by Repubs to link the two.

    However, I do support a government shutdown in general so I am not going to complain much. Defunding wasteful spending is the big picture to me not defunding the ACA (although that would arguably qualify as wasteful).

    Why is the postal service still open though? Don’t get that at all, let that one shutdown for good.

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    • October 2, 2013 at 11:03 am
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      Water Bug: Most (not all) Republicans wanted nothing to do with ACA when it was being formed. If you refuse to be part of the process, then you cannot complain about the results.

      What the Tea Party element of the Republican party is doing is not to craft a solution but to defund the ACA. Period. That is not an attempt at a solution but sour grapes. At this point, there is nothing to debate about the ACA as is is now law.

      BTW, I am amused by the Republican House attempts to approve and pass through little bits and pieces of the budget — except ACA. This is laughable — as it is clear that they will parcel up the budget in small chunks and hope no one is aware that the only part they won’t pass through has to do with the ACA. If the House Republicans were an Insurance company, they’d be charged with bad faith.

      So much for negotiating in good faith.

      • October 3, 2013 at 6:23 pm
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        Guess you forgot that the Senate voted for it without a clue what was in it. When BO thought it might fail He and his coneys backdoor-ed it. Typical DC garbage.
        If Reid was an insurance company, he’d define bad faith. Can’t blame the senators, cause Reid tables anything from the house that doesn’t fit his agenda so it never gets vetted and voted on. Good clean politics at work representing the citizens of this country. How did we ever let the politicians gain so much power. With the media in their pockets, they lead the public around by the nose. If they keep going like they are, there will be the elite and the working poor. Luckily, most of us will be gone by then.

  • October 1, 2013 at 5:50 pm
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    Once again, the Jesus freaks have wrecked it for the sake of wrecking it. I bet very few of the Tea Party folks know anything about the law itself, just that it has Obama’s name on it. I’m no Obama fan, but it’s time to leave religion out of everything. I think it’s cute that people still believe that crap in this day and age, but it’s getting ridiculous. Please Gawd save me from your followers.

  • October 2, 2013 at 12:47 pm
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    Celtica- I was glued to my TV when ACA was being crafted because I knew from personal experience how devastating this bill would be even though the contenets of the bill were kept secret. Republican alternatives or modifications of what was known to be in the bill were rejected without debate or discussion. The bill was crafted when the White House and the legislature were all run by Left Wing robots who were drunk with power. They didn’t have to discuss or negotiate with the opposition so they didn’t. The Harpy Queen Nancy Pelossi said hey, we won so you guys shut up even though she didn’t know what the bill contained.

    Yes the ACA is now law but any law can be repealed or defunded. Mr. Obama has said publically more than once that it is a path to a single payer government run system.

    I remember well when the hero of Chappaquidick, Ted Frogman Kennedy praised the formation of HMO’s because he felt that they would be so cumbersome they would fail and a single payer government system could be put in place someday.

    No government run program has ever been successful and wisely managed. Have you ever dealt with the VA ? The ACA is already going to cost 3 times what it was supposed to and it’s only just begun.

    Healthcare reform is certainly needed bt the ACA isn’t the answer.

    I want the government to get the heck out of my life and I don’t want socialism to continue creeping into my country.

    • October 3, 2013 at 10:20 am
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      Ted Kennedy blocked single payer. We’d have it today otherwise, since back then Republicans supported it too. The individual mandate, the alleged horrible communist plot, was written by the Heritage Foundation in the 90s and introduced as legislation by the Republican party.

      But by all means, go back to listening your AM radio. I think they even have a talk program in between all those ads for silver bars, social security scams, and mens enhancement products.

  • October 2, 2013 at 1:56 pm
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    Waterbug – the PPACA is the Heritage Foundation’s response to Hillarycare back in the Bob Dole days. They came up with the idea of the individual mandate (the one item that makes the law poll infavorably – besides the President’s name being attached to it, of course).

    Ever heard of Jim DeMint? He touted Romneycare and backed Romney for President back in 2007 saying, “…and as Governor of Massachusetts that he can solve a problem. Not by creating more government, but by making freedom work for everyone. He’s done it with health care…” Remember, Romneycare is set up much the same as the ACA. Jim was for it before he was against it. Typical of any politician, don’t care which side.

    If you want to be mad at anyone for the PPACA, you should be mad at The Right, Jim DeMint, and The Heritage Foundation for creating it and supporting it in the first place. Foolish of President Obama to think The Republicans would be for a bill they were in support of before turning against it. Yes, I know, convoluted, isn’t it? Politics…

    President Obama should have gone further, gave us single payer or at least a public option. That’s what he was running on and that’s one major reason I voted for him. As well as a majority of Americans. He fell short and thought he would have the support of the party that created the Act in the first place. This was just the beginning of the obstruction that will be historically studied for years to come.

    • October 3, 2013 at 12:16 pm
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      Romney care is not the same as Obamacare because they have similarities.

      The healthcare mandate was never widespread accepted by the republicans. It would have passed if it were.

      Stop reaching trying to find similarities on whatever you can, and contradictions on other areas, in order to spin together some web of lies regarding the right.

    • October 3, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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      To finish I left out:

      There is a reason they have different names.

      The PPACA was not made by anyone other than Obama. The republicans were against it, when Obama said “you ride in the back”. If they were for it, they would have voted for it, whether now or during Clinton debate (which didn’t pass)

      You can’t say that because some of the right mentioned it that it is a republican ideal.

  • October 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm
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    Water Bug – You said it very well. Since when has the government ever done anything well? I can only pray that ACA will be repealed at some point in the future.
    Farmer John – This Jesus Freak does know what is in the bill and I don’t like it. It’s the “uninformed” Obama supporters who don’t know what’s in the bill. Surprises remain for them. Oh you mean they have to pay for the insurance? It’s not free as they were told? And they have a deductible? None of which they will not be able to afford on a 29 hour work week. How what this helped the little guy?

    • October 2, 2013 at 2:25 pm
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      Nor are many being allowed to keep what they had including their hours and their jobs.

      • October 3, 2013 at 5:16 pm
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        Hoby Lobby knows whats in there too.

  • October 2, 2013 at 2:15 pm
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    Instead of not paying the “non essential govt employees, why not stop paying all congress including OBummer too. Take a page out of Gov Quinns book in IL.
    The court recently ruled that Quinn had to pay our bums and still -nothing done.
    It should not surprise anyone that lives in Il that this is happening. Now, the entire nation gets to live what we in Il have had to live through.
    This is nothing but Illinois Politics in DC. How is that working out???

    • October 3, 2013 at 10:10 am
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      Because of the 27th Amendment to the US Constitution: “No law, varying the compensation for the services of Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.”

      • October 3, 2013 at 10:56 am
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        So they covered their asses, but screw average joe that needs that paycheck. My sis in law works for SS. Working but not sure if she is getting paid.

      • October 4, 2013 at 8:14 am
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        Oh. I wondered about that myself. Thanks for the info.

  • October 2, 2013 at 2:21 pm
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    Dear Water Bug — I find that when one side has to resort to snarky name calling (left wing robots, harpy queen, frogman – and that was a reference to something that happened 44 years ago), the debate isn’t about issues but emotions. Dig in your heels as much as you want, but to change the law, you need to win a majority to re-write it. And the Tea Party leading the charge is never going to get that majority for you.

  • October 2, 2013 at 2:41 pm
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    • October 2, 2013 at 4:55 pm
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      Just why in the world would anyone be for “governmental control over the lives of all Americans”? That’s just the stupidest thing I’ve heard. Lately. But if I stick around long enough, I know there will be more.

    • October 4, 2013 at 8:17 am
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      Yes, the liberal contingent does want control over many parts of people’s lives. So do the conservatives, gay marraige and abortion for examle.

      • October 4, 2013 at 9:44 am
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        Gees, my typing is getting worse – I really do know how to spell ‘example’.

  • October 2, 2013 at 2:46 pm
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    Hey Captain Planet, Celtica says I can’t look at past events in order to comment on current events.

    I complained bitterly to Jim Demint and others to express my disgust with Romneycare and and other similar plans. It would do me no good to complain to Jim Demint today, but I sure as heck can complain to Barry Obama and is band of jolly followers.

  • October 2, 2013 at 2:49 pm
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    Water bug — total control? Nah. For instance, I’m always amused when the right wing insists on no government intereference until it comes to the vagina business. That they want to legislate.

    • October 2, 2013 at 6:47 pm
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      Guess they want to make it a public entity???

  • October 2, 2013 at 6:47 pm
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    Steady traffic on my Web Site today. 172 visitors so far. That will jump during the evening hours….

    • October 3, 2013 at 10:11 am
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      FFA,

      I admire your attitude toward this. I know you are aginst the law, but look at it as an opportunity to expand your business. That is what great business people do. Kudos!

      • October 3, 2013 at 11:03 am
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        I’ve always gone where the market takes me. “Sell what Sells”.
        Community College Marketing Class 101. Cant sell a bolt when no one wants to buy it.
        Over 111 hits on the web today already. 67 at 06:00AM…. Now, I did hit over 1000 pieces of EDDM and 800 Post Cards. Along with my signs. Just give me a 1% return… Please…. My GA states on average $1200 @ year in Commis per policy.

        Besides, how can I tell my crew they cant sell something that millions of people are shopping for. I have an obligation to put them in the best possible position to succeed.

        • October 4, 2013 at 1:44 pm
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          Hi FFA,

          Have people been asking any questions about their coverages and what not? How is that part of it going? (seriously asking, no sarcasm)

          • October 4, 2013 at 2:28 pm
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            It has all been flowing through my web site. I need to check the carriers to see who has applied for what. I think people have just been browsing.

            I got three requested for calls. I had two walk ins. Seems everything is moving along. I am in Wi now. Going to interview a possible producer…. This could be my ticket out of Il.

  • October 3, 2013 at 9:57 am
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    Those of us in the insurance industry must be united in fighting ACA. The requirement that 80% of premium dollars be paid in healthcare benefits would affect our whole culture. How would United Health ever again be able to pay their CEO $110 million in compensation, Aetna pay their recently retired CEO $63 million, or Wellpoint pay theirs $11 million if premium money has to be diverted to claims? Also, doesn’t anyone recognize that the pilots who fly Health Insurance owned/leased corporate jets might lose their jobs if ACA gains traction? Please, join Ted Cruz, John Boehner and the rest of the Republicans willing to shut down our government to protect the perks and profits of the Health Insurance industry!

    • October 3, 2013 at 10:10 am
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      Good one, Boondoggle! You almost had me going there.

    • October 3, 2013 at 10:35 am
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      As I heard on a convservatve radio drive time station last evening, any efficiences in our health care system means a loss of profit for those in the supply chain.

      • October 3, 2013 at 11:05 am
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        What does that mean???

        • October 3, 2013 at 11:27 am
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          It means any improvement in the system negatively affects the pocketbooks of the suppliers (doctors, hospitals, insurance carriers…) The inefficiencies in the system are to their benefit.

          • October 3, 2013 at 11:57 am
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            So, to make a leap, the inefficiencies in the govt are to the govts advantage regardless if it is right or good for the people they represent.

          • October 3, 2013 at 12:23 pm
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            I guess so.

          • October 3, 2013 at 1:05 pm
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            Libby: Correctomundo. Let’s look at a billing for an X-ray procedure. Think patient gets one bill? No. You can be billed separately for:

            Equipment
            Supplies
            Technican to read it
            Doctor to explain it to you

            And that’s on the low end. All profit centers.

          • October 3, 2013 at 1:09 pm
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            FFA: Inefficiences in any system (government, corporate, military, medical, etc) are to the benefit of stakeholders who stand to profit from providing those goods and services. It’s the sixth sense of our everyday life (I see inefficiences everywhere).

          • October 4, 2013 at 2:32 pm
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            So, if health care went to a single BILLER, it would prove to be a cost saving measure.

            with my wife racking up the visits, I just cant keep up with who did what with her. When I ask, she cant give me a definitive answer. For every trip to the hospital for what ever (X Ray, MRI) the send a different bill for every visit instead of one Account type bill.

    • October 3, 2013 at 11:41 am
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      Standing O!

  • October 3, 2013 at 1:15 pm
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    Hey ExciteBiker-

    I watched Ted Kennedy in a news interview praising the idea of a single payer system more than once. He said it might take more than one generation to achieve such a system. Mr. Obama has said more than once that he prefers a single payer system

    The Feds are spying on all of us and the IRS is going to run the ACA.

    The IRS is persecuting conservatives (ask Dr. Ben Carson) and you cluless libs don’t see Uncle Sam trying to take control of your lives.

    Oh well. When the ACA boffins start cutting off your meds and denying surgery, it will be too late.

    • October 3, 2013 at 2:50 pm
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      Do you see little green men running around, too? For a party that loves to portray the government as too big, inept, incompetent, and totally worthless you sure give them alot of credit for being able to not only orchestrate but then execute a complete takeover of all our lives. Really, Waterbug. It’s not that smart or that good.

      • October 4, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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        I think the American People are starting to view the govt that you describe…. For us here in IL, its just biz as usual.

      • October 7, 2013 at 11:55 am
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        I love how you progressive libs throw out the crazy label without addressing the points someone just made. All of which were true by the way. Can defend a position, call them crazy or a racist. The dumocrat playbook.

        • October 7, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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          They’re not true in my book. And sorry, it does sound a little crazy. But then again, Republicans seem to find conspiracy theories everywhere. It must suck to live in so much paranoia. I feel sorry for you.

          • October 7, 2013 at 1:10 pm
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            Good luck in your life of denial.

            Please don’t feel sorry for me, I’m one of those 1% you like to hate. You know the ones that actually pay taxes and make jobs.

          • October 7, 2013 at 3:35 pm
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            Ohhhhhh. That explains EVERYTHING. I’m surprised you can find time down here in the slums with the rest of us schlubs. You know. The ones that MAKE you all that money? Why don’t you go complain to your country club buddies and leave us alone?

          • October 7, 2013 at 3:36 pm
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            Oh, and I still feel sorry for you. Despite all your money you are still an unhappy, angry, little man.

            And I, too, work and pay taxes, pal. You don’t have a corner on that market.

  • October 3, 2013 at 4:29 pm
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    I wish Libby, Celtica,and all the other liberal minded posters long, happy, and healthy lives. I do ask that you all keep open minds and look at both sides of the issues. You might just change your minds.

    • October 4, 2013 at 9:27 am
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      I am always willing to hear another side. And if it makes sense, I am amenable to changing my mind. But when the other side is “all or nothing” I can not listen. There are shades of gray everywhere.

      Am I for universal healthcare for all Americans? Yes! Do I think the ACA is the best way to accomplish that? No! That doesn’t mean you throw the baby out with the bath water. The ACA is a start. It needs to be amended and changed. Let’s work on doing that instead of snarking at each other.

      • October 4, 2013 at 2:37 pm
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        Libby says “But when the other side is “all or nothing” I can not listen”
        You just described both sides….. Its the Illinois way!

        • October 4, 2013 at 4:01 pm
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          But individual people aren’t. That’s why we have to try to find common ground as individuals and fight against those that want to “take sides”.

          • October 4, 2013 at 5:12 pm
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            Both side have their heels dug in and neither is going to budge. Its up to the top man to get them to the table talking.
            If he cant get that done, he needs to step down and let someone in that can.
            None of this mess is good for anyone.

          • October 7, 2013 at 12:13 pm
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            “common ground and fight against those that take sides” wth?

      • October 7, 2013 at 11:28 am
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        I say we let the democrats that want Obumacareless sign up and repubs that wants to opt out, opt out. That’s compromise right libby?

        • October 7, 2013 at 12:16 pm
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          Typical response. Let’s not try to find common ground. Instead, let’s insult each other and basically say FU. You’re a good example of what’s wrong in this country.

          • October 7, 2013 at 12:37 pm
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            you proved my point again!

          • October 7, 2013 at 12:41 pm
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            compromise your way is what you should have said. You are just to stupid to realize that. Why can’t i opt out? Why can’t i have the choice to opt out of Obumacare when you get the choice to opt of a pregnancy? You are whats wrong with the country you hater!

          • October 7, 2013 at 3:32 pm
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            Jack – you really are an angry little Republican, aren’t you? Argue with someone else. I offered trying to find common ground. You spit in my face. Go screw.

          • October 7, 2013 at 3:57 pm
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            Common ground is not you offering to drive me off a cliff at 120mph and expecting me to negotiate it to 60mph. If you don’t understand that, you are dumber than i thougt.

          • October 7, 2013 at 4:03 pm
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            You have NO IDEA what I meant by finding common ground, as you were too busy calling me names and verbally spitting in my face. As I said before, go screw. You’re not worth the time it takes to type this post.

          • October 7, 2013 at 5:03 pm
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            point proven again, thank you

          • October 8, 2013 at 8:44 am
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            You haven’t yet made a point to prove, dear.

        • October 8, 2013 at 1:06 pm
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          Jack,
          One does not get to choose which laws he/she opts to follow. End of story.

  • October 7, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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    Jack, you want the option to opt out of the ACA because some women have a choice with pregnancy? Since the red states are intent on even removing that pregnancy choice from women), exactly how will these pregnancies be paid for if people opt out of the ACA?

    And by the way, tell me how to opt out of being paid less than men for doing the same job?

    PS: You might help your case if you didn’t argue like a 12 year old in a schoolyard brawl.

  • October 7, 2013 at 2:49 pm
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    Libby wanted to compromise. She can have careless if she wants it. I don’t want it so compromise and let me out. Baby killers always throw out its your “choice”. Omumacareless is my “choice”, i don’t want it.

    Don’t like how much you get paid, get another job and stop blaming other people. Work on commission and earn what you are worth unless you think you are not worth much. You see, only you know how much you are really worth.

    Here endeth the lesson.

    • October 7, 2013 at 2:58 pm
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      Jack, you are right, I could work on commission — I choose not to. I also choose not to have abortions – and not go to the emergency room for non emergency issues. I choose to have medical insurance.

      Now, if only men would choose to wear condoms, women would not be faced with the tough choice of mostly going it alone. And so it goes with medical insurance. Men in particular hate going to the doctors — so why would they buy medical insurance? They only buy auto insurance because they are forced to.

      Life continues to be unfair. Women deal with that fact every day. And so should you.

      • October 7, 2013 at 3:07 pm
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        And now you don’t get to “choose to have medical insurance”. Buy it or pay the tax, and the tax will go higher and higher because the insurance model does not work. FEMA is proof of that.

        How about you just say no if he doesn’t put one on? Seems to me nothing is your fault. Typical democrat.

        Tell Obuma about life being unfair , he’s the one yelling it should be from the roof tops.

        • October 7, 2013 at 3:44 pm
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          Dear Jack: Which states allow optional auto liability insurance?

          PS: You need to up your game. “Obuma” is trite; worse, it’s not even clever.

          • October 7, 2013 at 3:51 pm
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            SC allows optional auto, simply post a bond.

            Half breed socialist pig. That better.

          • October 7, 2013 at 4:04 pm
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            Posting a bond is NOT optional auto. You are still required to show financial responsibility. What a dumbass.

    • October 7, 2013 at 3:33 pm
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      Here endeth YOUR lesson. ACA is the LAW. You CAN’T opt out of it. Deal with it and shut up already.

      • October 7, 2013 at 3:52 pm
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        And homos can’t marry in SC. Deal with it.

        • October 7, 2013 at 4:04 pm
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          Not for much longer… That too will change. Homophobe.

        • October 7, 2013 at 4:06 pm
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          And the fact that you’re from SC TOTALLY clears up the picture for me. Right-wing, bible-thumping, redneck homophobe.

          • October 7, 2013 at 5:00 pm
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            You forgot concealed weapon permit toting, successful small business owner, white elitist, that gives more to charity and pays more taxes than you make in a year.

            And not only no but HELL NO it will never happen in SC. And if you don’t like you can stay where you are.

            I’m sure if its a blue state we will have to bail you out sooner or later.

          • October 8, 2013 at 8:43 am
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            Successful SMALL business owner? I thought you were part of the 1%. LOL!!

            And you have no idea how much money I make or how much I pay in taxes, so keep your ASSumptions to yourself. And your concealed weapon.

          • October 8, 2013 at 12:08 pm
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            Jack,

            Has SC paid back the $212 billion deficit your state accrued from 1990 to 2009 with the Federal Government yet?

            This chart shows who has been bailing out who. Now we know why they are called “red” states.

            http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union

          • October 8, 2013 at 1:04 pm
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            Jack wrote about marriage equality:
            “And not only no but HELL NO it will never happen in SC.”

            First question: Jack, is that what your parents said about African Americans marrying caucasions?

            Second question: Can you name one non-religious reason why homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to marry? Last time I checked, we have separation of Church and State.

          • October 8, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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            Cap Says – “Can you name one non-religious reason why homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to marry? Last time I checked, we have separation of Church and State.”

            Webster and Random House define marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

            If they want to commit to each other in front of God & Country, invent a new word for it. Obamas been good at that – changing meanings of words.

          • October 8, 2013 at 2:53 pm
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            Bing Definition:

            “mar·riage [ márrij ] 1.legal relationship between spouses: a legally recognized relationship, established by a civil or religious ceremony, between two people who intend to live together as sexual and domestic partners
            2.specific marriage relationship: a married relationship between two people, or a somebody’s relationship with his or her spouse
            3.joining in wedlock: the joining together in wedlock of two people”

            Merriam-Webster Definition:

            “a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
            2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
            3: an intimate or close union “

          • October 8, 2013 at 3:09 pm
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            FFA,

            I’ll have to disagree with you on the marraige issue. The word marraige is not synonymous with religion. Since a man & woman can marry in the county judge’s office, the word marraige doesn’t mean married in a church or even with God’s blessing. Otherwise, all those married atheists would be having a cow.

          • October 8, 2013 at 3:28 pm
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            The Random House Dictionary of the English Language – College Edition Copy write 1969 by Random House , Inc. Page 819 Bottom right hand column.
            Mar-riage The social institution under which a man and a woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, ect.

            Websters Unified Dictionary and Encyclopedia published 1957 – Page 2687 : Mar-riage – the union of a man and a woman in accordance with social customs.

            It goes on to say that Marriages in a religious setting last on average 7.81 years while in a civil setting last only 5.13 years according to a study done in 1938….

            Webster even has the word Fart in it.

            I am not against Gay / Lesbian unions (especially Lesbians – had to add my oink) – just don’t call it the same thing my wife and I do.

          • October 8, 2013 at 3:35 pm
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            As someone else on this blog said once, if what other people call their relationship has an influence on yours maybe there is something wrong with your relationship.

            What difference does it make what they CALL it? You say potato and I say potato.

          • October 8, 2013 at 3:36 pm
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            Jw- he asked for a non religious reason. I did not state any religious reason.

            I was married outside the church. My wife previous was not inulled. She did not want to convert. She has many issues with the teachings of catholic church. As a result, I do not accept communion. It has not been any sort of issue for me personally.

          • October 8, 2013 at 3:57 pm
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            Libby, the only people that influence my marriage are my wife and I.

            I guess I am old school as you can tell by the publish date on the dictionary I referenced (I have an older one too). I am not against them committing to each other.

          • October 8, 2013 at 4:06 pm
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            As Libby has demonstrated, there are definitions for “marriage” that do not designate man and woman but rather, consenting adults or 2 people. So, I still need that non-religious reason.

          • October 8, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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            Cap – Random House & Webster dictionaries are not religious publications. Nor – to my knowledge – do they have religious ties.

          • October 8, 2013 at 4:36 pm
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            Jack – judging by your website, and the fact that you only represent 5 small-time regional carriers, you can’t possibly make more money than I do. And I’m certain, since I have no children to deduct, that I pay more in taxes than you do. You know what they say about assuming, don’t you?

            Here endeth the lesson.

          • October 8, 2013 at 4:45 pm
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            FFA – I’m sure if we looked at an 1812 dictionary we would find some pretty interesting definitions, too. But it’s now 2013 and that definition has changed. Still not sure what the big deal is about it, if as you say you don’t have a problem with same-sex marriage.

          • October 8, 2013 at 4:57 pm
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            Well Libby, I guess I missed that memo. My problem with this is the way people just change the meaning of words to fit their whims / needs and desires.

            In my book, a pair of aces will always beat a pair of duces…

          • October 8, 2013 at 5:17 pm
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            Okay, FFA – then do your dictionaries say that homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to marry? I guess I don’t get how those examples are non-religious reasons why they CANNOT get married. Especially when there are just as many examples of marriage definitions which do not designate specifically b/t man and woman.

          • October 8, 2013 at 7:48 pm
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            Cap says : “Okay, FFA – then do your dictionaries say that homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to marry?”.

            No Cap. Its a dictionary. All it does is define the meaning of a word. It makes no mention of religion in the definition of marriage. Webster offered the results of a study done, but that is a dictionary/encyclopedia.
            Unless I missed the memo that changed the meaning of the word dictionary???? I only put that in there because I was surprised that, back in them days, the length of marriage seemed way short to me.
            Even the word homosexual makes no reference to religion in either dictionary.

            I’m an old dog cap. I don’t like new tricks….

        • October 7, 2013 at 4:13 pm
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          From Jack: Half breed socialist pig. That better.

          Only if you stomp your feet — and refuse to eat your vegetables too.

          PS: That bond thingy sure sounds mandatory.

          • October 7, 2013 at 4:52 pm
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            The bond is mandatory if you don’t want insurance and you follow the law. Thats the part where you idiots on the left don’t get it. You see, only law abiding citizens follow laws. Like gun laws! Given there are millions of people that have not paid taxes in years, you Dems think you can tax someone into getting health ins. NOT! And again thats where the Obumcareless model falls apart. Now you can either think that Dems already know this will cause us to go bankrupt or not. But that does not change the fact it will.

          • October 7, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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            Jack, you have some serious anger there. Even if you don’t want healthcare insurance, you will probably need it for the heart attack you are about to give yourself.

  • October 7, 2013 at 4:11 pm
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    Hey, Agent! Is Jack your new hero now?

  • October 8, 2013 at 4:36 pm
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    BTW, on hell of a shoot out in Dallas last Sunday. didnt get a chance to see the game, but Manning and Romo in a slug fest.

    • October 8, 2013 at 4:46 pm
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      It was a real nail-biter, FFA! I was on the edge of my seat until the very last second. Literally! Wish they could all be that good.

      • October 8, 2013 at 5:01 pm
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        Manning needed every yard and TD to beat my fantasy team this week. The guy scored an outstanding 38 points against me and I lost by 6. Ive got the Denver kicker. So, one less TD and one more FG, I win…. But, if if and if….

        I cant wait to see Indy Denver coming up… Battle tested vet vs the up and coming soon to be next Peyton….. Been there, done that vs Bring it on Old Man!!!!

  • October 8, 2013 at 7:58 pm
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    In the older dictionary, Marry is defined as (this will draw some fire) to dispose of (as in a father his daughter)….
    HMMM. That’s a tactic I should try with my daughter. Get her married and out of the house. Now, if I could just find someone to put up with that lazy ass bitch……..

  • October 10, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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    Next up — 2014 mid term elections.
    Let’s see how this little Tea Party stunt played in Peoria.

  • October 11, 2013 at 10:31 am
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    Wow. I just looked in to see if there had been any well thought out comments on either side of the Obamacare issue and I see that the discussion has morphed into arguments about same sex marriage.

    The American public (at least the IJ bunch) seems to be too easily distracted and cannot follow an issue to resolution.



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