I also heard there is a provision in the law that that group plans are also in trouble. I know I received a cancellation notice that said our plan is gone. Also, I heard this morning that there is a clause in the law that says if 30% or more of employees do not participate in a company’s group plan there is a fine of $100 per day per employee not on the plan. The IRS still needs to make up the rules on that so it is delayed, but that would force companies to opt out completely and pay that fine instead. Moving closer to universal health care as was the original intent.
Many of these cancellations are because the insurance plans do not meet the new law — such as prescription drug coverage or “free” preventive care. Those companies sending cancellations could choose to offer these services — but chose to not offer it.
Sounds like a decision made by these insurers in a free marketplace.
Just received my new beneifts offer for 2014 today. My premium decreased 27% and no change to the deductible or out of pocket. This is a savings of $85.61 per month. This decrease includes health, dental, and vision. Preventative care is 100% covered, no pre-x, no lifetime max. First time I have EVER seen a decrease. I was expecting a 5% – 8% increase. I am going to take that premium I am saving and invest it in my daughters’ educations. I liked my plan, I get to keep it, and I get to pay less for it. I’d still like to see single payer or at least a public option, but from what I’m seeing personally, this is a step in the right direction.
Sounds like you’re being the good little sheep the administration is hoping to lead off the cliff.
The made the law with an escape clause, knowing full well that health insurance policies almost always change in one fashion or another from year to year. A partial truth is still a LIE!
Why didn’t Obama make that little nuance clear when he was campaigning?
Anyone believing this is the insurance companies fault is dumber than I thought possible. Once again, the blame game continues.
Oh, okay Integrity Matters. I thought you were speaking to me. I hope everyone’s healthcare works for them! And until it does, both sides need to work together to amend the issues with this law.
They need to scrap it all together. It was sold on LIES. Anyone with a brain knew this would not work.
Obama needs to be removed from office on Ethics violations. He lied to every man woman and child on this planet. He is the worst kind of liar. A terrible role model for todays your children.
October 31, 2013 at 10:05 am
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FFA, you said he should be removed for Ethics violations for lying. You are being too kind. I call it High Crimes and Misdemeanors which are Impeachable Offenses. Slick Willy got Impeached for lying to a Federal Grand Jury about the intern under the desk. That lie is minor compared to what this guy has done. He has lied to 320 million people about something that affects them in a most personal way and harms their income and health. I hope the chorus grows and someone in the House will have the spine to draw up papers. We cannot forgive him for this travesty.
October 30, 2013 at 1:55 pm
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Huh? Cigna offered this coverage to me, not a government administration. Is Cigna leading me off a cliff? They used to be when they could deny for pre-x or lifetime max. Now, they are required to keep me as far away from the cliff as possible. And, I will take the responsibility of doing my part to seek and practice my free preventative care. I think Charlie Sheen might say, “winning!” (Okay, I just wanted to drop some Charlie Sheen on IJ).
So Integrity, we now know that the law “mandated” coverages to be included in the health insurance policies of companies which automatically forced cancellation on the non-qualified policies that people actually liked. Since we know that the President unilaterally changed the law by giving business a one year delay and approving of waiver for Congressional staffers, why can’t he unilaterally say that the companies keep in place the coverage people wanted and not cancel any policy in force? He did say that if we like our plan, we can keep it, right? He did say that we can keep our doctor. I saw an interview with Dr. Siegel on Fox and he said that only 44% of doctors are going to be available in the NY area exchange network. I thought this was about increasing availability of healthcare and doctors. Something tells me that New Yorkers will be standing in long lines to see a doctor, don’t you? Rationed care at its finest.
Libby, do you think that the low information voters ever saw this article telling them that their plan would be cancelled when Obamacare was rolling out? I think they were trusting their President to tell them the truth when he declared dozens of time that if they liked their plan, they could keep it Period!!!! He pulled the wool over most Americans eyes thinking if he said it enough, that would make it true. That is his campaign style, tell lie after lie and people like you will believe it.
October 30, 2013 at 4:16 pm
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Agent – We will never see eye to eye on anything, so I’m throwing in the towel.
October 30, 2013 at 4:41 pm
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Libby…What did you believe? Are you a low information voter?
October 30, 2013 at 4:40 pm
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Agent: That would mean that he would have the best interest of all the Americans in his heart. It would be a way to unite the country like he said would do when he campaigned in 2008. Oops! Another lie. There I go again thinking he wants to be fair to ALL Americans.
Actually Integrity, Libby is a true believer who switched to Democrat just in time to vote for her Messiah. She swallowed all the feel good lies hook, line and sinker. I am sure she is somewhat conflicted now that the agenda is not working out so well. I have been warning her for the past three years about this fiasco and it is like talking to a brick wall. She, Ron & Planet are hard nuts to crack and they criticize my Conservative beliefs, but as they say, the truth will set you free.
October 30, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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Agent…Unfortunately, in this case, the truth is going to be very costly by the time the blind sheep realize how screwed up things are.
Honestly, I cannot get over the amount of lies, half truths, scandals, poor decisions and total ineptness Obama and his administration has had since he has been in office. It turns my stomach that there is not total outrage and calls for his impeachment.
How stupid does he think we are that we would believe that he is not aware of the various things going on? And if that is true, which it is not, how stupid are the congressmen and women and senators that they would leave him in office?
October 30, 2013 at 6:25 pm
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It is a great way to unite the country. Lets impeach the liar. He is the worst kind of liar. In front of God – Country and the entire world he told his lie.
I just saw a news report that he was spying on the Pope during the Conclave.
This guy thinks he is greater the God. Time to give him the Criminal Treatment he deserves.
October 31, 2013 at 1:52 pm
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Agent – I do not criticize your Conservative beliefs. I have no problem with being fiscally conservative. I do criticize Wall Street fatcats and extreme right-wing religious fanatics that want no Government intervention except in our bedrooms, marriages, and vaginas.
October 31, 2013 at 2:11 pm
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I could care less about your vagina. I do care about killing innocent babies though. Your right to not bring a life into this world is made at the point of you having sex. That is the chance you take.
What about the baby’s right to live? That is not right wing religious extremism. That is life in a civil society. Don’t give me the rape, incest, life of the mother reasons. The majority of abortions are not due to those causes. It is big business.
October 31, 2013 at 2:48 pm
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Integrity, I understand your position, but it’s still the woman’s right to abort. Just because I chose to give birth doesn’t give me the right to tell someone else they can’t have an abortion. Keep the government out of it. Remember the “smaller government” you want?
I will agree that no one should abort after 20 weeks, because that is more than enough time to make a decision.
October 31, 2013 at 3:43 pm
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Yup. You got your grill all up in my Va-J-J IM. I want you and the government out of there!
October 31, 2013 at 6:06 pm
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I’m sorry, jw, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this hot topic.
No matter how it is justified, an abortion is killing a baby. Period.
And for the women I know that have had them, they are left wounded by the choice. Some men, too, are haunted by the decision that they “participated” in allowing it to happen.
I understand that the decision to keep the baby is difficult, too, depending upon family stigma, financial situation, etc.
It’s a very tough situation to be in.
November 1, 2013 at 7:17 am
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Hey, Integrity, I can live with agreeing to disagree.
November 1, 2013 at 9:32 am
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Well, when that young woman, saddled with the responsibility of raising a baby goes on welfare, food stamps, assisted housing, and government-paid welfare, I don’t expect to hear a peep out of you, IM.
November 1, 2013 at 9:56 am
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jw: I’m good with that, too.
Libby: If the young mother decides to keep the baby for herself (giving it up for adoption is another option…there are thousands of couples looking to adopt babies), I am okay with her getting govt assistance to help get her an education and job and support to help the baby. BUT…I am not for the young mother to think that is all she has to do to have an income…have babies and get more govt assistance. There has to be a sense of responsibility and motivation to become independent from the govt, not dependent on the govt.
I have had/seen both sides of the above, so I know it can be done. It’s not easy, but that is the consequence of the choice that was initially made. The problem with many people today is that they do not want to take responsibility for the choices they make. FYI…this goes for the man or young man that participated. They need to be held accountable for support.
November 1, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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IM – I do not disagree with what you are saying. But, I don’t think you have the right to force someone into a life-altering event against their will. Just as women that have had abortions live with guilt and remorse, so do women that give their babies up for adoption.
Once the fetus becomes an actual person, the choice to abandon it is an impossible one to make.
November 12, 2013 at 4:55 pm
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Integrity, did you notice that he apologized not for lying, but for the people finding themselves in a bad situation? There is no way this man has the best interests of the American people in his heart. He is agenda driven and I am sure he is in shock that his Progressive dream is falling apart.
October 30, 2013 at 2:07 pm
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And the plans that require 50 years olds to buy maternity insurance make no sense. When you go to the car dealer do you think it’s fair to force you to buy options you don’t care for or will ever need? Of course this is what Socialism breeds. The Obama adminstration’s stated goal is to destroy the free marketplace and replace it with a single payer system. Because as we all know he prefers Communism over Capitalism.
Dave…Good point. I heard another good analogy yesterday which is similar. This is like the govt telling us our new SUV does not get enough gas mileage. even though we like it and are willing to pay for it, they are going to require everyone in the US to by a hybrid. Scary…but this might happen sooner than we think if we allow this to continue.
Integrity, how has that Green Energy plan worked out for us? We give billions to development companies and they go belly up in a year or so. I wonder if that huge Solyndra building is still gathering cobwebs. The initiatives include making gas from switchgrass, algae and cow dung at feed lots. Wow, I am impressed. Don’t get me started on the renewable ethanol fiasco which has only increased the price of corn products by taking a big bite out of production. I have a mechanic customer who says ethanol is very harmful to engines and will ruin injectors over time.
Integrity – so in other words, your freedom extends to wasting natural resources with driving a gas guzzling SUV – even at the expense of the environment and overall economics of supply and demand. Yeah, gotta nip that one in the bud.
So Celtica, to you, its ok for the President of the United States to stand in front of the entire world and lie? Spend $634M for a foreign company can give us crap? Make people spend 2x more on their health insurance for reduced benefits?
October 31, 2013 at 12:07 pm
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Obama “lying” about the ACA only affects Americans.
Bush “lying” about the reason to send troops and Allied troops to Iraq is lying to the world.
Big diff.
October 31, 2013 at 12:15 pm
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Yes, Celtice, My freedom absolutely extends to what car I drive, what cereal I eat and how big of a fricking Coke I want to buy!
How much of the natural resources is Obama and Michelle wasting whrn they take two planes to go on vacation!!!
How much of my hard earned money is being wasted by this govt on their pet projects or ridiculous “scientific studies”? I guess we really needed to know how a shrimp reacts after walking on a treadmill?
You bleeding heart progressives are ridiculously stupid!
October 31, 2013 at 12:21 pm
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Celtica, I was taught that two wrongs don’t make it right. It doesn’t matter what Bush did. That’s over. (I’m using Hillary’s words now!!)
Shouldn’t Obama be a role model for today’s children? Or, maybe, that is what he is trying to do…be a bad role model.
October 31, 2013 at 12:35 pm
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Integrity: Your freedom to buy a gas guzzing SUV does not extend to the freedom to waste natural resources. Period.
Now, go and try and win an election. Until you do (and I don’t think you will with your far right agenda), I will just sit back and take all your ranting and raving in stride.
October 31, 2013 at 12:52 pm
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Really, Celtica? Where in the constitution does it say that I am not allowed to waste natural resources?
I have an unalienable right, granted by God, to use the resources that he created. I am to use those resources responsibly, which I do.
My ranting and raving, as you call it, is because I care about my country, the constitution and the freedoms that it was designed for. Those freedoms include being free from an oppressive govt.
You may think it is okay to be led to slaughter, but I don’t.
October 31, 2013 at 1:02 pm
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Integrity —
Please reference where in the Constitution (or even bible) that grants the right to waste natural resources.
Your supposed right to waste resources impinges on my right to obtain natural resources at a lower price by conservation in a supply and demand environment.
Now, you have complete freedom to make yourself as miserable as you want. Me? I’ll stick with the freedom of winning elections to effect the changes I want to see made.
October 31, 2013 at 1:32 pm
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Celtica – trying to legislate or implore others to not waste natural resources is no better than the conservatives anti gay or women’s rights.
Yes, I prefer to save the planet (it is the only known source of chocolate), but even I drive a gas guzzling SUV. In fact we have 2 SUVs in my family. It is up to each individual how they wish to conserve or not conserve. I don’t want someone telling me what I can and can’t do.
October 31, 2013 at 1:40 pm
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Celtica, the biggest diff is that the OBama Lies are here now and today. His lies are costing you and I and the rest of the tax payers upwards of $634M. That don’t include the money my HSA people are going to be out in higher premiums. Bush is long gone.
October 31, 2013 at 2:02 pm
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Celtica,
First of all, I said I use the natural resources responsibly (but, there is nothing in the Constitution that forbids me to waste them, if I want to). It’s kind of like GL coverage, if it’s not excluded, it covered.
Second, your statement implies that might rights should not impede on your rights. If that is the case, shouldn’t that apply to all situations like pornography (that smut is slowly infiltrating all parts of every day life), or abortion (shouldn’t the unborn baby have rights or maybe the father who might want the kid) or any other situation where one group is adversely affected by the rights of another group.
reality is that we all have to “put up” with some things we do not like in the spirit of compromise. And I am okay with that.
The problem is that this administration and group of democrats has the attitude of we are right and you must do things our way. If not, your a fanatic. People complained about Boehner during the shutdown because he would not bring issues up to vote. That is EXACTLY what Reid has done in the Senate, but worse. he won’t even entertain the thought of something else before there is even a chance to vote.
Hypocrites!
October 31, 2013 at 2:08 pm
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JW — drive as many SUV’s as you want — even at the same time if you so desire; However, since those are subject to minimum mileage standards, even under the Bush administration, you can’t buy one that doesn’t meet that requirement.
If integrity matters, then provide the Constitutional and Bible passages that allow you the right to waste natural resources.
Otherwise, you are just ranting.
October 31, 2013 at 2:13 pm
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I can if it is a used car. The mfgs just don’t make them that way.
October 31, 2013 at 2:27 pm
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You have a one track mind, Celtica. I have the same rights as you do to use the natural resources that we are given. In Genesis, God grants man dominion over all the animals and trees. One might consider these natural resources. The bible also speaks of doing everything in moderation, meaning not wasting. But there is no commandment against it. Wasting is simply not wise.
Waste is a matter of interpretation. With regards to natural resources, should we allow the govt to come into our houses and make sure we have the lights off in each room or that we have the heat turned down in each room not being used?
In my opinion, I am wasting a lot less fuel than Michelle Obama does when she needs to jet to some destination separately from her husband. Why do you not have a problem with that?
Unfortunately, I realize I have wasted my time trying to educate you on matters that affect our freedom. You obviously are okay with the lies that are being told, just as long as they coincide with what you want or believe. Sooner or later, some of your freedoms will be taken away, too.
A house divided cannot stand. This president has done more to divide this country than anyone in the past 150 years. Which, by the way, is not what he campaigned to do in 2008. Another lie.
October 31, 2013 at 2:40 pm
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In 3 more years Obama will be gone. Guess all will be right with the world then. No blame after the term ends! Sweet!!
October 31, 2013 at 2:48 pm
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Integrity:
I wouldn’t call your efforts a waste of time. For instance, I learned that you pretty much make it up as you go along — and that you cannot back up outlandish statements (really, the right to waste resources is in the Constitution and bible – ?). You might talk the integrity matters talk, but do you do not walk the integrity matters walk.
Now, start winning elections if you want change.
October 31, 2013 at 2:52 pm
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Well, Celtica, my SUVs are old (1990s old). I don’t buy a new car every few years. I can safely say I am not getting the minimum milage.
October 31, 2013 at 2:55 pm
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“Under the new rule, mileage targets for these vehicles will increase from 21.6 to 24 miles per gallon”
ROFL
I’m just happy I get 15mpg on the highway. 24? HA!
October 31, 2013 at 3:32 pm
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JW: I think it’s safe to say 1990 SUV’s probably didn’t have minimum mileage standards — and that they won’t be around much longer either. Until, enjoy!
October 31, 2013 at 3:55 pm
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“The problem is that this administration and group of democrats has the attitude of we are right and you must do things our way. If not, your a fanatic. People complained about Boehner during the shutdown because he would not bring issues up to vote. That is EXACTLY what Reid has done in the Senate, but worse. he won’t even entertain the thought of something else before there is even a chance to vote.
Hypocrites!”
How am I a hypocrite when I say we need to vote every single one of them out of Congress regardless of party? They all suck and should be fired.
I don’t disagree with any of the issues/statements you have posted here except I want the government out of my bedroom, marriage, and vagina. I don’t think that’s too much to ask. If you don’t want an abortion, don’t have one. If someone else does, it’s none of your, or anyone elses, business. It’s called freedom of choice. The operative word is FREEDOM, of which you seem very interested in preserving unless it’s a freedom you don’t agree with. Now who’s the hypocrite?
October 31, 2013 at 6:17 pm
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Libby,
Let’s see…I want the freedom to choose my own health care. You want the freedom to kill your baby. Which one seems more civil?
You can do whatever you want in your bedroom. Just don’t try to make me like it. If its not my business, then don’t put it out in the public to make it my business.
October 31, 2013 at 6:28 pm
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Integrity — you just fell off the deep end with that analogy. You really need to get a grip as you do not possess exclusive rights to claim the the Constitution or the Bible as your own.
November 1, 2013 at 9:35 am
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IM – I don’t think your right to choose your own healthcare is any more important than my right to choose my reproductive options. Freedom is freedom. Not just what YOU say it is.
November 1, 2013 at 10:32 am
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Celtica/Libby: I did not write the bible or the constitution. However, they are there for everyone to follow. One is God’s law and Holy Word and the other is the law of this country.
By the way, Exodus 20:13 – “You shall not commit murder” (NIV), Deuteronomy 30:19 – This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.
Libby: Do wantever you want with your reproductive organs. Have a hysterectomy if you don’t want kids. It’s your choice. But when your choice affects other human beings (especially when it ends their life), I think that is wrong.
Celtica: I am off the deep end??!!?? You are actually defending the right to kill a baby is equal to choosing healthcare? I will sincerely pray that your eyes are opened and heart softened to accept the truth.
NO ONE is perfect, but we all should strive to follow God’s law. Our constitution was written to protect the people from an oppressive govt. Our govt is supposed to be a representative govt, meaning those elected are supposed to do the will of the people and within the confines of the law. This is why we are suppose to have three equal branches of govt so that one branch does not have more power. It is a check and balance approach.
Unfortunately, the will of the majority is not being represented and this administration has proven to be lawless and does whatever it feels like. It’s outrageous!
November 1, 2013 at 11:49 am
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IM:
I see you contiinue with Tales from the Deep: I said you do not own exclusive rights to the Constitution or the Bible. You equate that with supporting abortion. You seriously need to get a grip.
November 1, 2013 at 12:27 pm
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IM – “But when your choice affects other human beings (especially when it ends their life), I think that is wrong.”
That’s exactly where we disagree. That fetus is not a human being while it can not survive outside the womb. It is a fetus. Why do you right wingers condone killing inmates, but you are against the removal of an embryo?
As far as GOD goes. You worship yours and I’ll worship mine. That’s what freedom of religion is all about. Maybe you need to study the Constitution a little more.
November 1, 2013 at 12:41 pm
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Wow…it is really hard to keep you focused, Celtica. The topic was freedoms. I simply made the comment that the freedom to choose your own healthcare (and fighting for it) is a lot more civil than fighting for your freedom to kill your own baby.
I never claimed exclusive rights to the constitution or bible. You accused me of it. You asked earlier for bible verses for a different issue. I thought I would provide them pre-emptively for this one.
November 1, 2013 at 12:56 pm
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Libby,
The fetus is a baby human being. If it was not, why does the govt charge people with 2 counts of murder when someone kills a pregnant women.
You left wingers use the term fetus to help desensitize what is really taking place. Of course the baby can’t survive outside the womb in the early stages of pregnancy. But they can as early as 22 weeks. Whats your position/excuse for partial birth abortion?
With regards to killing inmates, it is a big difference in killing an innocent baby compared to a guilty murderer that is a detriment to society. I can’t believe you used this analogy as an agrument or justification.
As far as worshipping God, I have no problem with you worshipping anything you want. The constitution is very clear that we have freedom of religion. Just don’t try to limit me from exercising my right and I won’t stop you from exercising your right.
November 1, 2013 at 2:37 pm
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IM – I wouldn’t dream of encroaching on your choice of religion or right to believe whatever you want to. Just don’t try to force-feed it down my throat.
And that goes for your opinion of the definition of fetus. While you think it a human being, I don’t agree along with the scientific community. Abortion is legal in this country and as long as I have a say, it will stay that way.
I think it humorous you try to justify murder of someone you have deemed worthy of execution, but condemn another for making what you believe is the same exact choice. That’s the epitomy of hypocrisy.
November 1, 2013 at 2:39 pm
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Oh, and I don’t agree with partial birth abortions. At 22 weeks the fetus becomes viable and should not be aborted. At that point I would support adoption.
October 30, 2013 at 6:20 pm
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Integrity, we are about as close to a taxpayer revolt as I have seen in my adult lifetime. As bad as some of our Presidents have been in the past, they cannot hold a candle to this one. Back in the Watergate days, that was just a minor blip and no one got killed like Benghazi, but the Democrat Sam Ervin was drawing up the Impeachment papers when Nixon was hiding the truth and deceiving them. When does the level of deception and outright lying apply to this President? Of course, we will be called racists for wanting Impeachment and that is the big difference between them.
I agree, Agent. The only difference is that I want to get rid of Reid, Pelosi, McConnell and everyone else that is “on the take” or is complicit in any of these cover ups. That goes for Holder, too!
That’s not being racist, it is being consistent. I am tired of their boldface lawlessness.
You are right Integrity. Impeachment papers should be drawn up real soon. Resignations from several department heads are in order starting with Sebelius, the Medicare head and clean out all those Czars hiding out in the basement who have been directing this disaster. Then, in 14, change out the House & the one third of the Senate and replace them with people who look out for the folks, not just line their pockets with Lobbyist money. When have we had such poor representation in the past 50 years?
October 31, 2013 at 3:45 pm
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Agent,
They are called Articles of Impeachment, not Impeachment papers. Reminds me of when you referred to the PPACA as a bill instead of a law and wouldn’t admit you were wrong when your mistake was pointeed out to you by Captain Planet. If you are going to preach about the Constitution, at least know about what you are talking. Will you admit your mistake this time?
October 31, 2013 at 3:57 pm
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LOL! Good luck with that one, Ron!
November 1, 2013 at 3:19 pm
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So Inegrity, I was out of town yesterday and just got back to catch up on the ongoing debate. You had a nice one going with Celtica & Libby. You have to understand that they don’t think like we do and murder of innocents is no big deal. Libby does stop at 22 weeks on abortion, but anything up to that is just an office visit. In Texas, we passed a law for 20 weeks and also made sure the abortion clinics were staffed with licensed physicians. We are still going to have a fight since the pro-abortion crowd found a Federal Judge to throw a monkey wrench into it
November 1, 2013 at 4:37 pm
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Agent – I know you are a dinosauer and could care less about learning the proper terminology for things given your age and old school mentality, but I must point out there is no such thing as a pro-abortion crowd. We are pro-choice.
I know you will not have enough respect or smarts to actually use the proper phrase, but I at least had to try.
October 31, 2013 at 10:54 am
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Agent? Racist?
No? Hyprocrite? Big time.
Sour grapes? Ditto.
If you want to change things in Washington, win an election.
Celtica,
From my experience my company exceeded the plan. Unfortunately, they have used ObamaCare to deny many coverages because they are over the minimum requirement. Sad thing is, I work for my insurance company and I’m ticked by this whole thing. I’m sick of getting the EOB denying a blood test stating, “Not covered due to the Affordable Care Act” when it was covered before. Even if ObamaCare gets put to rest, companies will now ride this minimal requirement into the future. By the way, we aren’t seeing rate decreases like Captain Planet is, but we are seeing less coverage. Thanks Obama!
I do hope your kidding. A free market place decision? Do you even understand what that means? It means no regulation… The ACA law (regulation) removes any possible semblance of a free market place from existing probably ever again in the healthcare industry in the United States.
If it were about oil Integrity, how come Iraq has never repaid this country in oil for its treasure expended to free them from the evil dictator? Donald Trump said he would have demanded repayment in oil had he been President.
SERIOUSLY??? that’s your response? You bring up a war which the majority of YOUR party supported based on evidence from the INTERNATIONAL intelligence community in order to try and deflect from the failures of the CURRENT administration? This was ALL Obama.
Instead of putting more resources into fixing the economy (other than a huge stimulus and a bailout of GM where we just took a major bath), he decides that it’s time to do a major overhaul on the health care system, and then refuses to accept any feedback from Republicans. That’s OK, Bush Lied about Iraq!
Sure, he talked up a big game about Syria, but then what happened? How is that destruction of chemical weapons going? Oh wait…Russia took the lead on that one. Well, Bush invaded Iraq!
What about the NSA wiretapping? Hey, that was all Bush too! Bush knew everything about it, right? Obama knew NOTHING!
Want me to go on? I can.
It’s time to accept that Oz the Great and Powerful is really just an average little man hiding behind a curtain, pulling levers and making noises to make you think he’s more than he is.
Dear Ralph: Bush and Cheney sold a bill of worthless junk to Congress and the U.S. public regarding Iraq. Yes, they lied and they knew it at the time. And that was a response to Alwasy Amazed who was shocked (shocked, I tell you) about beatlejuice and lies.
Rememmber, if you will, that it would be been unpatriotic not to support it at the time in our history.
So then, that’s your excuse for democrats? The unpatriotic pressure? You do realize the reason it was unpatriotic at the time was just how many people Saddam killed.
Bush and Cheney did not lie.
And the above comment still stands:
Bush W and Cheney presented international intelligence regarding Iraq.
You can disagree with why we went to Iraq, and whether we should have gone to Iraq, but there were no lies about it, other than the democrats suddenly saying they were against the war and were tricked.
Al Gore in the 92 election blasted HW for not taking military action against Iraq.
Clinton stated that Saddam had used wmd’s in the past, and would do so again, then proceeded to bomb the hell out of Iraq.
I think it’s pretty clear our issues with Iraq had little to nothing to do with Cheney and Bush W.
October 30, 2013 at 7:50 pm
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Keep lying Celtica. It’s from the Left’s playbook. State a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Let me set your stupid mind and lying mouth straight.
Iraq – All the intelligence sources US, French, German, Israeli, etc. reported to all their heads of states and each other. The intelligence was wrong (unless the weapons of mass destruction ended up in Syria – do you know how Syria got them?) but was accepted by all. It was accepted by Senators John Kerry and Hillary Clinton. Can your tiny twisted mind comprehend this FACT! There was no lying to the American people. Bad intelligence (unless those weapons of mass destruction ended up in Syria) but no lies.
Benghazi – Within hours of the attack, intelligence pointed to it being an organized, pre-planned AlQiada attack. And the next day and for weeks on end Obama and his entire administration said it was caused by a video, most famously by the liar or idiot Susan Rice – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxf77xQ_NLU&list=FL9lJuRBjktDPY_TeM76IBSw&index=26
That Celtica is an example of a lie. Got that? Can your tiny lying mind comprehend it?
Ann Coulter was right. Liberalism is an illness and you are as sick as they come. You are a bold faced liar much like your leader Obama. You make me sick. Stop your lying.
October 31, 2013 at 8:38 am
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Bob/Dave: Well said! In the words of Tom Petty, “they believe what they want to believe”.
October 31, 2013 at 11:06 am
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Bob — let’s see — Bin Laden bombs the U.S. and kills 3,000+ people — and yet Bush and Cheney let him walk.
Meanwhile, not having the least interest in Bin Laden, Bush and Cheney gin up a case to go after Saddam Hussein in Iraq and sells it lock, stock and barrel to the U.S. public. Makes total freaking sense. Really it does.
Now who’s drinking the Kool-aid?
October 31, 2013 at 12:34 pm
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Celtica…If Clinton would have taken out Bin Laden when he had the chance, 9/11 might not have happened.
Irag was the most logical target based on the intel at the time. Al Qaida was there strenghtening their resources and the WMDs were, too. We know Saddam had them but he got rid of them (or buried them) before we had a chance to find them.
Why would they have caches of personal protective gear designed for WMD protection if they did not have WMDs to use on their own people?
Obama wants to go into Syria for the same reason and thats okay with you, right? Killing 100,000 plus is okay as long as they don’t use chemicals. But if chemicals are used, that is a red line to cross.
October 31, 2013 at 5:24 pm
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Celitica,
You’re quite a poor researched person when it comes to Iraq.
First of all: Saddam killed over 100,000. 3,000, 100,000, which takes priority?
Second of all: Bush W didn’t let Bin Laden off the hook, the axis of evil was a group that harbored, and allowed for Bin laden to escape, and Bush W made quite a clear message that if you are in that Axis of evil, supporting Al quieda, that you were the enemy of the U.S. Do you not remember how liberals said that was bad behavior? This is a selling point on Obama, he says that he won’t label countries terrorists just because they sell weapons to or harbor terrorists, as long as they don’t attack us direct. He calls it diplomacy, and maybe there is merit to it maybe there isn’t.
At the time we invaded Iraq, we simply asked Saddam to let us inspect his country for Bin Laden, as at the time BIN LADEN WAS THERE. That is not a debatable fact. Bush W basically immediately launched a force there to take care of Osama Bin Laden, but he also of course had other reasons for Iraq, “Operation Iraqi Freedom”.
If a democrat were in office saying this type of stuff, you would have listened, like you did to Obama on Benghazi and Libya. You will note I have never said anything about Obama with regards to Libya. That’s because there is nothing to say. And there’s nothing to say on Iraq either. When two parties agree on something for 20 years plus, it means that it is probably a problem.
October 31, 2013 at 5:08 pm
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Celtica and Libby are cast from the same obama worshipping mold. Libby was calling the Tea Party terrorists recently! That was original mainstream media crap. The Tea Party doesn’t go around killing and slaughtering people like terrorist do, so that is the stupidest reference ever. She and Libby are so afraid of “religion” and someone forcing it on them. I don’t force religion on anyone, but slaughtering 50,000,000 babies since roe v. wade is not something that can be ignored. I’m sick to death of Libby’s reference to her vagina. Does she do that because that’s what she thinks of all the time? No one else cares about her reproductive organs. Most objectors to abortion only want to defend the unborn from slaughter. Have all the sex you want, but don’t conceive a baby then kill the little one because of the inconvenience it’s caused you and your life style. Don’t go on and on about having to take care of all the kids that are born…that’s not why you want abortion. You want abortion so you can copulate without the consequences…if people were moral that would not be a problem. the problem is that you want to live your lives and not answer to anyone but yourself. You don’t really care about what allowing babies to be born instead of killed would cost the welfare state. You’re only concerned about living your life without answering to GOD.
They are okay with losing freedom as long as the progressive muslim that they worship tells them that it is okay. I haven’t seen either of them acknowledge the blatant lies that spewed from his mouth about his health care rip off for the past 5 years. They simply cannot call him on that. Is it because he’s black? Can he not be called the liar he is just because of the color of his skin? Are you so afraid of being called a racist that you voted for this worm because he was black? Lots of people did. They didn’t listen to what he was saying and didn’t investigate who he was or where he was from because he was BLACK and for some reason the US needed a black presidentl. Call me racist all you want. It wouldn’t matter to me if we had a green president as long as he was a good leader.
Sorry for the “rant” but I’m so sick of Captain, Libby and Celtica that I want to vomit. The women are the worst.
I understand, Perplexed. I feel the same way. Obama could have really united this country had he chosen to be more for the people instead of forcing his liberal agenda.
At some point, he and his administration will go down in history as the most corrupt in US history.
I cannot imagine they things that are going on that we have not found out about yet.
November 1, 2013 at 9:44 am
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“You want abortion so you can copulate without the consequences…if people were moral that would not be a problem…You’re only concerned about living your life without answering to GOD.”
Seriously P, “copulate without consequences”??? At least try to get into the 20th century if you can’t quite make it to the 21st.
As for morals, I don’t need or want you or the government dictating my “morals”. You want government out of your health care, well I want them out of the morals business. That belongs in church, not government.
And I will have no problem answering to MY God. I am sure he is nothing like the God you worship. One that is punitive and punishing.
And remember, freedom OF religion also means freedom FROM religion. Especially yours.
November 1, 2013 at 10:48 am
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So Libby, I guess you are okay with pedophilia and polygamy and beastiality. Those are okay with other peoples morals. They were born that way. Where does it end? Who gets to decide where the line should be drawn?
By the way, the God of all creation is loving, full of grace and mercy. But, He is also a God who demands justice. That is why he gave His Son, Jesus Christ, to pay the ransom for our sins, so that we could have etenral life with Him. But it is our choice to believe that Jesus paid this price and was resurrected as proof. If you choose not to believe, God will allow you to be held accountable for your sins. That is justice, not punitive and punishing.
FYI, I share this not to proselytise, but to correct any misconception anyone might have about God or Jesus Christ.
November 1, 2013 at 11:15 am
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Perplexed – leave God out of the conversation. Freedom of religion is in the constitution; therefore, you may not pick which religion I follow. End of discussion.
Integrity, in addition to what I’ve said to Perplexed, I will admonish you for thinking that anyone here is “okay with pedophilia and polygamy and beastiality”. you cannot equate those concepts with freedom from religion. Other than polygamy, which WAS allowed by the Mormons, that is. The only line that needs to be drawn is the one to separate consent from doing harm/non-consent. I do understand where you’re coming from, you follow a strict adherence to the bible. That is your right. If you lived in an Islamic country, you probably wouldn’t have that right, but in America, you do. You also have to right to be Mormon, Buddist, Islamic or Native Americans who have their own beliefs.
November 1, 2013 at 11:17 am
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I forgot Judaism The people of God, who don’t believe Jesus is the son of God. Now tell me that’s not confusing. Just remember, we have choices to go with our free will.
November 1, 2013 at 12:31 pm
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I was waiting for the pedophilia and beastiality issues to raise their ugly head. And the question is so ridiculous as to not even warrant a response.
November 1, 2013 at 1:10 pm
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Libby, You raised the issue regarding morals and the govt dictating what morals you should follow. I raised these other areas because they are not immoral for other people.
My point, which you and Perplexed missed, was that everyone has different morals, especially when it comes to the bedroom. Libby does not want me or the govt telling her what morals she needs to follow. I agree, except that the line has to be drawn somewhere or society becomes completely depraved.
Libby’s line of morals is obviously further left then my line of morals. It would appear that she is okay for wanting to not impede on someone elses morals that are further left then hers. In the spirit of progressive thinking, is that fair?
I think the line has to be drawn sooner because it is a slippery slope once society “accepts” certain tyoe of behavior. Just look at how much more children are exposed to today compared to 20-25 years ago.
November 1, 2013 at 1:14 pm
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Sorry, I referenced perplexed and it should have been jw.
November 1, 2013 at 2:47 pm
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IM – Pedophilia and beastiality are against the law.
November 1, 2013 at 2:49 pm
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What you gonna do if Billary gets elected???
November 1, 2013 at 3:04 pm
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To those of you that easily accept the lies – Why is it ok to lie? How can you believe anything this guys says?
Per the Italian media, he was spying on the pope. He has no boundaries.
I find it less then a coincidence I have been out spoken against this guy and I am being audited for two years. I have provided the documentation they have requested. I have been told by two accountants and one tax attorney I have nothing to worry about. But, they keep dragging it out…
He wants to blame the Carriers on the non renewals. At what point do the lies turn into reality in a liars head???
November 1, 2013 at 3:11 pm
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Libby says:
Pedophilia and beastiality are against the law
Libby: so was homosexuality and adultery, at one time. The people “born that way” did not like the stigmatism and fought it until society was desensitized enough to say “okay”. And the laws got changed. I guarantee that if enough people declared it an injustice, the progressives would side with them over time.
FYI, before you declare me a homophobe, I have a wonderful son who is gay. We have a great relationship and we understand that we have different opinions on the topic. His boyfriend (actually ex, now) is a great guy. I really enjoyed his company and talking sports with him.
For me, homosexuality is a sin equal to all the other sins out there. Including the ones that I am guilty of. I am no better or worse in God’s eyes. We all have our demons that we battle.
November 1, 2013 at 4:38 pm
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Throw a party.
November 1, 2013 at 4:40 pm
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IM – I’m sure you think because I am pro-gay and pro-choice I have no morals, but that is just wrong.
You believe what you believe and I believe what I believe. It seems never the twain shall meet. We’ll have to just leave it at that.
November 1, 2013 at 4:51 pm
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Perplexed: Women of a certain age and who have been in the workforce through workplace changes when men were men and women were secretaries will certainly be able to withstand assaults from the tea party and their throw back to those years like you. It’s over. OVER. Let me repeat:
O-V-E-R.
You don’t want government interference unless it’s for something that goes against what you believe. Hypocritical conundrum, isn’t it.
The Tea Party and GOP need to get out of the vagina business.
And you need to move on.
Hillary 2016 (!!!)
November 4, 2013 at 10:53 am
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Per Integrity Matters: So Libby, I guess you are okay with pedophilia and polygamy and beastiality
IM:
This is precisely why the Tea Party will not win a national election. You might throw that outlandish religious stuff out to see if it sticks locally in the back woods, but you would be laughed off the national stage because it does not have a place in politics.
October 30, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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The new law includes maternity coverage on all polices whether you need it or not. This was an added option on plans before the ACA was passed – behind closed doors, in the middle of the night – with out any Republican votes. “We have to pass it so we can find out what’s in it.” Maternity coverage is very expensive and this is why some premiums for some folks who are not eligible for government subsidies have become very high. These are the folks who are paying in premium for subsides so those who are eligible for subsides can get them – the money has to come from someplace. A distribution of wealth which is what Obama is all about. He is robbing from Peter to pay Paul and this is all going to implode on itself and we’ll all be on a single payer system which is what Obama’s agenda is all about. Has anyone checked on the financial status of Greece lately? They are sill in the hopper and that is exactly where we are headed thanks to Obama and his cronies destroying our country from this inside out.
The GOP refused to be a part of it during the bill process — so they effectively gave up their right to contribute. Great “put your head in the sand” strategery (spelling intended).
You’re right, jaybar. It was their design. Came from The Heritage Foundation and was the Rep response to Hillarycare rolled out by Mr. Bob Dole. The Reps were for it before they were against it. That isn’t just a Right Wing phenomenon. It’s politics. I expect my politicians to play politics. I also expect them to work constructively with the laws we have rather than be whiney beyotches. What are the Reps doing to help? Nothing. They have sick constituents this law is helping. Focus on that!
While I do not have the specific details, I am pretty sure the original design from the Heritage Foundation looked quite a bit different than the final version the Dems shoved down our throat.
October 30, 2013 at 6:40 pm
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They have sick constituents that are being hurt by getting their insurance cancelled. Insult to injury, now 2x their premium. Just to make matter worse.
October 30, 2013 at 7:18 pm
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Planet:
And it didn’t go through, because the majority of republicans were against it.
It is not a republican plan. The republicans didn’t pass it, the democrats did. If the republicans wanted it, they would have put it in place between 2000-2006, when they had majorities in all houses of government.
Please stop being an idiot.
October 30, 2013 at 6:50 pm
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Jaybar — seriously? The Dems did take the GOP’s position into accoumnt – the GOP wanted nothing to do with it. And that’s exactly what they got — nothing. Just like the debt limit and budget deal. Nothing. And I bet you lose the House over it in 2014.
If the GOP loses the house over that issue, it is because of one or two things:
1. The elections are rigged, or
2. The people voting are stupid and getting their information from places like MSNBC and the rest of the liberal media.
Please admit that you are okay with all the lies and deception that is the hallmark of this administration. At least you won’t look so stupid by thinking everything they are doing is normal.
October 31, 2013 at 9:56 am
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Maybe so Celtica, but it is President OBama – President of the United States – Lying to everyone in the world.
Reports out of the Italian Media he was eves dropping on the POPE. This guy thinks he is bigger then GOD himself.
October 31, 2013 at 11:10 am
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Dear Integrity:
If you need to tell yourself that elections are rigged or voters are stupid, go right ahead. The real reason is that you are letting the fanatics of the right wing dictate terms, including shutting the government down. But don’t let that insight influence your thinking. I kinda like the fanatics of the right wing suck up all the media oxygen. Why? Because it won’t play in Peoria.
October 31, 2013 at 1:00 pm
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Celtica, what is fanatical about protecting our borders, fiscal responsibility, following the constitution, transparency and accountability from the president, his administration and ALL congresspersons and senators?
The progressives problem is that everything that we do not agree with that is in the progressive agenda, is considered fanatical.
I’m guess thinking the president and his staff should tell the truth and accept responsibility is fanatical.
Defend that!!
October 31, 2013 at 2:32 pm
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Celtica,
I am waiting for your response to my fanatical ranting.
October 31, 2013 at 6:33 pm
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Celtica,
You are grilling me to show you in the bible and constitution about my rights to waste natural resources, yet you won’t answer my questions about why you think the issues I raised are fanatical.
I’ve given you my answers, which you continue to ignore or accept. I’m waiting for yours. I guess you cannot defend yourself or the liar in chief.
November 1, 2013 at 1:30 pm
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IM:
In response to your request for examples of your ranting – you have a habit of throwing in the kitchen sink to bolster your argument.
IM: How much of the natural resources is Obama and Michelle wasting whrn they take two planes to go on vacation!!!
IM: How much of my hard earned money is being wasted by this govt on their pet projects or ridiculous “scientific studies”? I guess we really needed to know how a shrimp reacts after walking on a treadmill?
October 30, 2013 at 1:35 pm
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Actually, Celtica, the writers of the ACA agreed to about 190 republican ideas and concepts when crafting the bill. But, you are correct in that they really stayed away from the process so they could maintain the illusion to their base that they are opposed to the ACA. Insurance Exchanges and the Individual Mandate are bourn solely within the republican mindset. The basic concepts of the ACA are based on something developed by the Heritage Foundation, a GOP “think tank”. That’s where Romny got his ideas for MA. Obama felt by making the bill more “republican” it would gain a wider appeal. The O man has turned out to be a pretty naive fellow thinking the republicans would work with him. Remember the stimulus? It was also watered that down with GOP ideas and they never voted for it anyway. The best think Obama and his people can do is fix the many “bugs” in the sign-up process and get past these initial cancellations brought on by the insurance industry. There is a heck of a lot of work to do….
D — thank you for your well thought out response. Yep, there is a lot of work to do with the website — but I do get a kick out of all the ACA IJ articles prints every few days.
You’re correct in that the Individual Mandate was originally conceived by the Heritage Foundation and a GOP alternative to Hillarycare’s socialist take-over of the market with single-payor, but that’s where the similarities end. Heritage’s use of the Individual Mandate couldn’t be further than it’s final role in Obamacare, and the overall plans developed by the GOP & Obamacare have very few, if any, parts in common. The GOP plan used the Individual Mandate to actually encourage competition in the private market by extending the employer health insurance premium tax benefits to individuals, then re-introducing price sensitivity in insurance and health care delivery by shifting the costs of routine, minor health care onto individuals, who would use health insurance only for catastrophic loss, and also reforming Medicare from a fee-for-service to voucher system. It did NOT mandate minimum coverage & benefits, did not standardize plans, did not include exchanges, actively opposed an employer mandate, opposed mandating guaranteed issue & rating factors that do not consider health/risk, opposed having younger and/or healthy people’s premiums being used to subsidize high-risk individuals, did not include expanding Medicaid while cutting payments and did not mandate insurance plan/company spending levels. Basically, the GOP wanted to use the Individual Mandate to remove market distortions & encourage free market competition to work, while Obamacare uses it to shift control of the market to the government.
Even then, the Individual Mandate was nothing more than a compromise in an attempt to avert Hillary’s single-payer system. At the end of the day it isn’t the Individual Mandate that makes Obamacare the horrendous failure that it is, that’s merely the easiest to attack. What makes it a failure is mandating coverage & benefit levels, underwriting/rating factors that don’t include health or risk, and relying on young, healthy individuals to subsidize & avoid the impacts of adverse selection as thousands of very sick, high-risk individuals enroll. It doesn’t work because rather than addressing the problems in the market it creates additional new market distortions and replaces market regulation with centralized government control.
You were right that Obama was naive, as well, but it had nothing to do with Republicans – it is very well documented that they were all but shut out of the process of crafting the bill (“Thank you Senator McCain, but let me remind you that the election is over and I won” – Obama). Why do you think it got 0 Republican votes? Obama was naive to think that Government could effectively manage, regulate, & control the market better than the market can itself. It’s a lesson that’s been proven over and over – the Government is always less efficient, effective, and competent than the free market.
Not true. Republicans offered tort reform (which the President agreed to consider), buying insurance across States lines, expanded health savings accounts, tax credits for inviduals just like corporations receive now and so on. You can’t just make up your own history.
Scott, all we have to do is review the famous Blair House meeting when Obama and minions Pelosi and Reid met with Republicans. Republicans offered their ideas you listed and Obama said thanks, but no thanks. We will do it our way and you should get on board with it. Tort Reform was given a wave of the hand since the Trial Lawyers were some of the biggest contributors of the campaign. This whole fiasco was not about improving healthcare, but establishing Progressive control over 1/6th of our economy and regulating every aspect of our lives.
jw, think about it. We do business with P&C companies domiciled in other states who are licensed to do business in our state, have their rate filings for our state and we sell their policies. Safeco is home officed in Seattle, Wa, but does business all over the country. Why would Health Insurance not fit that model? If there were more competition, we wouldn’t have been receiving rate increases all the time. That, and Tort Reform might have kept prices lower for health coverage. That did not happen so we are stuck with the dysfunctional Obamacare which is a nightmare of biblical proportions.
October 30, 2013 at 4:28 pm
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Agent – As usual, you didn’t answer the question. Health care has always been that way. What does Obama have to do with it?
October 30, 2013 at 4:53 pm
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Libby…Health Insurance has always been in the private sector. That didn’t stop Obama from attacking and trashing it. That is what Obama has to do with it. If they can completely change the rules legislatively, they could have done the same thing to allow competition across state lines and tort reform.
October 30, 2013 at 4:57 pm
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The quick answer is Libby, that Health Insurance has not been made available to sell across state lines in forever. One of the suggestions by Republicans was to open up so it could be sold that way and actually create some competition. That was quickly discarded by your President since he wanted what he wanted. You and I both know that there are hundreds of P&C carriers out there and many major carriers doing business across the country. Why have only a few health carriers dominating in each state? How about 15 or 20 offering a number of plans? I know this flies in the face of your narrative, but it is free market enterprise and it may very well have worked along with Tort Reform, but when liberal politicians want to dictate terms, you get what we got and it is a disaster no matter what you say.
October 31, 2013 at 10:01 am
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I really do want to know why health insurance doesn’t cross state lines. It makes sense to me. I keep trying to think of a regulatory reason, but health insurance isn’t really something that needs to be different from one state to the next. The risk might change, but the actual need for and administration of health insurance is pretty uniform.
Ok, except for the part where the state insurance department would have to close an entire division. Still not enough of a reason to me.
October 30, 2013 at 1:39 pm
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Ah, now here is the lie that seemed so believable. This one is a dozy, too. For all those people who may not have voted for him but for this promise, I can see justified anger and outrage.
Just a reminder, I didn’t vote for Obama in either election. I may be more liberal than conservative, but I did not like him when he ran the first time; and his four years of being in charge didn’t impress me.
Good to see you have gotten your wake up call jw. Independent voters like Ron have still not awakened. They still prefer to blame Republicans for the ills of the country when they weren’t in charge of this fiasco. The outright lies and deceit of this President and him minions are historic in scale. Even the serial liar Slick Willy can’t hold a candle to this guy.
Facts will awaken me, not empty rhetoric. The fact that this law is not working confirms my opposition.
How come you call it blame when I hold Republicans accountable for failing to turn their ideas (selling across state lines, tort reform, etc.) into law when they had the chance? My problem with the Republicans is their failure to act to improve the country when they have power.
Did you see that the annual deficit has gone down again this year? I guess you need to stop using your, “we cannot keep spending $1 trillion more than we take in each year” statement any more.
Let’s do a quick scoreboard between President Reagan’s term and President Obama:
Spending: increased under Reagan; decreased under Obama
Annual Deficits: increased under Reagan; decreased under Obama
Debt to GDP: increased by 55% under Reagan; increased 17% under Obama
Money Supply: doubled under Reagan; increased 30% under Obama
Inflation 4% when Reagan left office; currently under 2%
Government Employees: increased by 8.3% under Reagan; decreased 2.8% under Obama (the only time it decreased for any of the past 5 Presidents).
Ron, right now, none of that matters. Right now it is important for the country to unite so this liar cant teach our young that it is ok to lie any more.
Way to stick with your leftist narrative Ron. I must admit you are consistent blaming Republicans over and over. By the way, do you remember the little incident this country had in 2001 in New York, DC and Pennsylvania. That little incident cost America over 3,000 lives and galvanized the country to do something about it. I don’t remember one Senator, Congressman on the left or right clamoring for Healthcare Reform for several years since we were busy trying to prevent another attack and going after the bad guys. You conveniently forget history and trot out your websites because you don’t use common sense and can’t use your brain.
I don’t blame, I hold those accountable who do not do the job for the people, including President Obama and the Senate Democrats. I have repeatedly expressed my displeasure with Senate Majority Reid and President Obama for their fauilures. How come you never say that I am blaming them?
If one of your employees makes a mistake and has an adverse impact on one of your clients do you let it go and not let them know that they made a mistake? Or do you hld them accountablle (blame them).
Common sense is only useful when based in reality. Yours is based in perception.
Please tell me for what I should give Republicans credit? You keep telling me how wonderful President Reagan was, and I actually did like him as a President, but you do not like it when I show that he was not as fiscally conservative as you like to think. The fact that there is data the shows we have been more fiscally conservative under President Obama than President Reagan irks you to no end.
You keep bringing up 9/11 as an excuse for the Republican failure to address health care reform, but criticize anyone who brings up the financial collapse that occurred during President Bush’s term as an excuse for President Obama.
I do not recall any U.S. Senator or Representative going overseas to fight terrorists.
October 31, 2013 at 12:57 pm
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Yes Ron, please show me where Reagan ran up a $6 Trillion debt in 4 years. He inherited an equally anemic economy from the now infamous peanut farmer from Georgia. High debt, energy crisis, high interest rates and business malaise all across the country. It was abominable. Ronny had a big job to do to recover this country and it took over three years to get it done and people started feeling good about their future. Tax cuts, installing IRA’s, 401K’s to encourage retirement savings did a lot to restore the economy and 9 million new jobs created. Your lack of common sense and knowledge of history is astounding. By the way Tip O’Neil (D-Mass) and Speaker of the House at the time welched on limiting spending and that created whatever the deficit ended up. Goes to show you can’t trust a Progressive Democrat on anything just like we are finding out currently.
November 1, 2013 at 12:39 pm
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Holding the country hostage – give me a break Libby. Obama has been holding us hostage since he got in office. It’s his way or NO way. That’s not holding the whole country hostage? He had his thugs block open air monuments to make 90 year old vets lives miserable and still you blame the conservatives. 42% in favor and sliding down more and more each week priceless. Open your eyes to the biggest con artist we’ve ever had in office. 93 million Americans are going to loose their healthcare according to page 3532 was it of the ACA bill? The bloom has fallen of the rose and Obama can’t keep saying he had no clue he knew well what we were going to have imposed on us and he doesn’t give a rats ass because he and his precious family and all his government servants are exempt. The poop has hit the fan, Libby and there’s not turning back now. Obama will go down in history as the worst dictator this country has ever had.
November 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm
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Always – Contrary to what you believe, I am not defending Obama or the ACA. I am defending the fact that something needed to be done about the millions of Americans that needed healthcare and he’s the one that did it. The Republicans had plenty of chances to pass something but they didn’t and had no intention of doing so.
The fact that the plan turned out to have so many problems is another issue. But all I see from your side is blame and condemnation. You never wanted this to work and now you have the results you wanted. I would think you’d be throwing a party, not bitching on IJ.
And it was Congress, led by the Republican-held House that held this country hostage, not Obama. They are responsible for having no-one available to secure the monuments and lock out the vets. And I will hold each and every one of them (regardless of party) accountable on election day. How about you?
October 31, 2013 at 10:49 am
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The national debt is over 17 trillion now – whose watch is that on? And when did this country start sending money, 400 billion, to the Muslim Brotherhood – a known terrorist organization – whose watch is that on? Also, the USA has lost its creditability with foreign countries – and whose watch is that also on?
And “If you like your health plan you can keep your health plan. Period. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Period. Whose watch WAS that on? The president is either the biggest liar on the planet – or the most clueless president we have EVER had in office. And guess what? The world is watching and they must be laughing their A$$es off. Obama’s creditability has been tarnished so badly by, let’s see: Benghazi, NSA, DHS, Fast & Furious, IRS, and not the ACA and President Schultze didn’t know ANYTHING about any of these. Wake up people; this is what you get when you vote in a Community Planer who NEVER was even in the military into office. I didn’t know that the President of the United States job desripton had “No experience needed” written in it but we sure found out the hard way.
If you were to pay attention to my posts you would realize that I have criticized President Obama for most of those issues. The only exception is the IRS because, as it turns out, they did also target liberal political groups.
In addition, I have consistently stated that I am against the PPACA.
Regarding the debt, President Obama is far from the only President to be held accountable. Were you criticizing President Reagan when he was the first President to oversee a trillion dollars in debt and increased the debt more than all other previous Presidents combined?
To put some context to the discussion let’s look at % increases in the debt:
Ron, look at the $ amount not the % increase you twit.
October 31, 2013 at 1:37 pm
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Jack,
If you were smart you would know that using percentages is commonly used in analysis to compare values that change significantly over time. How about the fact that our debt to GDP has seen its smallest increase under President Obama since and including President Reagan. Or how about the fact that the government has been shrinking since he took office. I am not saying he had anything to do with it, but it is happening. These are called facts and I can support them with a source.
Still waiting for your source of your statement regarding 75% of people in VA who signed up for Obamacare found out that they qualify for Medicaid. Or your assertion that NY had a federal tax deficit in 2013.
October 31, 2013 at 1:58 pm
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I bet next your are going to say unemployment is down as a % when there are more Americans out of work now than when he took office.
How many democrats does it take to change a light bulb,
None because they prefer to stay in the dark.
Have a happy spook day! And no Libby that was not directed at Obuma.
October 31, 2013 at 5:13 pm
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Amazed, you have it all wrong. Ask Libby, the Tea Party is the terrorist organization. Muslims aren’t. They just kill people that don’t agree with them.
November 1, 2013 at 9:47 am
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P – holding the country hostage was a terrorist act and it was perpetrated by the teahadists.
October 31, 2013 at 1:27 pm
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Ron,
Thant’s the problem with you progressives. You read the headlines, but fail to read or actually digest what is said in the fine print (I know where Pelosi gets the “you have to pass it, to find out what is in it”).
If you actually read the article, the deficit is down this year but that is because of the expiration of the stimulus money (they did not add any more money this year to the stimulus), the sequestor (those damn republicans), and tax increases on the rich (those damn democrats). Additionally, a large part was the pay back of Fannie and Freddie money ($187BB). Another $415BB in interest payments were received.
While these are positive, many are one time shots for this year only. The real problem is the future. Per the article..
“Either way, fiscal restraint is likely to continue for the next couple of years. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the annual deficit will fall to a low of 2.1% of GDP in 2015, before starting to rise again thereafter.
Independent budget experts’ concern, however, is not about the country’s deficits over the next 10 years. Their concern is about the subsequent decades when spending on major entitlement programs, as well as interest on the debt, will consume much larger portions of the budget while revenue is not expected to increase enough to keep pace.”
Obama has chosen a spend now, pay for it later attitude. We have not yet felt the real effects of his ineptness.
You need to look a little further than the end of your nose to realize what is really taking place. Are those facts good enough for you?
Spending did not decrease under Obama. The spending chart you mention measures Bush W’s worst year, against all of Obama’s years. Going down by 1% and then maintaining the worst year is not decreased spending, especially considering we bailed out several entities to get to that high of a deficit. You need to stop claiming that Reagan was worse on debt. He wasn’t.
Annual Deficits remained high under Obama, decreasing, same point as above, while still in the threshold of twice the norm before the 2008 year is insane. Totally insane.
Inflation at 2% compared to 5% starting, and also, under Reagan it was a natural environment, which stayed in place for years. Obama’s lower interest rates are through artificial means that will have to end (mortgage buying, etc). An artificial government funded low interest is extremely bad.
Moving on to government employees: The president hires people? Really? Reagan attempted cuts, democrat congress refused.
Moving on again: 40 year majority for democrats, 1-2 surplus years. 11 year majority for republican congress, 4 years of surpluses. I like the 4 out of 11 more than the 1-2 out of 40. Get off the debt topic. Republicans win. Get over it.
It’s not a “wake up call,” Agent. I never liked the ACA. Not even a little. I’m starting to worry about your short term memory. I’ve mentioned this many times.
I’ll be heading to Jeffersonville as part of a down state run. I do have a large group down there to get quotes on the table to. I also have a bunch of smaller accounts I need to go visit. I’ll pack up the wife and make my run in a week or so.
Celtica, who taught your morals and ethics to defend a lie on such a large scale??? Is this what you are teaching your kids? Do you lie to your customers like OBama lied to you? You cant be Christian because lying is one of the big 10.
October 31, 2013 at 12:45 pm
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There’s a great dessert place at exit 5 (which is actually Clarksville) of I65. I can’t remember the name right off the top of my head, but it’s cakes and pies and ice cream. It’s so good. I’m actually glad I no longer drive past it when I go to get my granddaughter. I stopped every trip when they lived in Clarksville. Now I get off I65 at exit 1 and completely avoid the shopping district. ;)
October 31, 2013 at 12:47 pm
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Celtica, seriously? Give it a rest. You’re grasping at straws to throw insults at those with differing views. It’s very annoying.
October 31, 2013 at 12:59 pm
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FFA, Isn’t the down state part of Illinois where the Conservatives live and do business. You will probably have better luck there than in the north.
October 31, 2013 at 1:08 pm
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Agent, I’ll go anywhere for biz. I get to see parts of the Midwest I would never even think of seeing. Nobleesville Indiana is a very nice town. If I did not have biz there, I would have never thought of going there. Im in South Bend a few times a year. Nice place to visit. Michigan City… Not much there.
October 31, 2013 at 10:30 am
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jw,my short term memory is just fine. I remember you agreeing with Libby dozens of times with her wild leftist rants. Are you now saying that you are angry about Obamacare and the lies and deceptions that have gone on starting with the President working down through his minions? Do you think this fits the narrative of High Crimes & Misdemeanors? How bad does it have to get for this country before you get angry?
Jack, thank you for the laugh. I haven’t heard anyone call anyone else a twit in a very long time.
October 31, 2013 at 12:41 pm
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I have agreed with Libby on many things – most notably social ISSUES (human rights and other things that don’t cost any money).
I have said I am against the ACA from the beginning.
I’m almost positive Libby isn’t fond of the ACA, but prefers it to what we had before. I don’t.
I have not defended Obama’s spending in any posts. Just because I don’t call for his impeachment, doesn’t mean I think he’s doing a good job. I agree with you that the government spends too much money – on pretty much everything.
I will admit I am glad DADT was repealed. I am also pleased Obama chose not to spend any further money defending DOMA.
How bad does it have to get for me to get angry? Since my getting angry doesn’t do anyone any good, what purpose would that serve? I vote in every election. Are you suggesting I do more than that?
October 31, 2013 at 12:47 pm
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“FFA: Pack up the wife. How very Taliban of you.” I cannot believe that anyone would say something that disrecpectful. I just saw a woman walking around at Target yesterday in a Barca – I can’t imagine what that would be like on a hot day in August – at least Target will have the AC on then. And what about “honor killings”? Celtica – you are one twisted sister.
October 31, 2013 at 12:58 pm
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Always, it was just a pointless insult which I don’t even know what she was getting at. It takes a lot more then that to offend me.
When I come face to face with St Pete, my conscious will be clear.
October 31, 2013 at 1:03 pm
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jw, All we ask is that you look at things with clear eyes and use common sense, something that is in short supply with the leftists on this site. The biggest defenders of the left on this site are Libby, Ron & Planet. Take their comments with a grain of salt. You can’t go wrong with Integrity, Bob, FFA, Always Amazed, Sargeant.
October 31, 2013 at 1:09 pm
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Always, I thing he goes to the Ministry of Silly walks…
October 31, 2013 at 1:52 pm
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Oh, Agent, I won’t agree with y’all very often; I am still more liberal than conservative.
October 31, 2013 at 3:15 pm
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Agent – you have alot of nerve telling someone else who to listen to and who not to listen to. At least Ron and I cite our sources when we make statements of fact.
You consistently speak for me and put words in my mouth. I’m pretty fed up and angry, alright. With you!
I’m tired of repeating myself over and over only to have you spout some bullshit about what I think or how I feel that is totally contrary to everything I have ever posted.
If you could get it right even some of the time that might be OK, but you are off the mark 100% of the time. And it really makes you look like the stupid ass you are. Now commence to thumbing me down. I don’t care anymore.
October 31, 2013 at 5:36 pm
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JW:
Social issues are emotional play strings that should never be considered in politics.
Vote economically.
November 1, 2013 at 7:46 am
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bob, I’ve already admitted I vote with my emotions.
November 1, 2013 at 9:50 am
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If they are emotional play strings that should never be considered in politics, why are the always part of the political platform? I agree government has no place in deciding these things, but as long as they keep trying I will vote liberal. If Republicans would stay out of these “emotional play strings” they would have alot more support from people like me. And jw I would assume.
November 1, 2013 at 11:24 am
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You would right, too, Libby. I have no problem with the conservative fiscal talking points.
November 1, 2013 at 7:32 pm
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JW:
I know. And it’s how democrats win elections at certain times (though not all).
Allowing someone to play heartstrings to get into power is not something you should allow.
November 1, 2013 at 7:35 pm
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Libby,
I will reiterate what I have several times:
You’re wrong on gay marriage regarding republican’s stance. So that heart string is not one they need to change, and it’s one that they are doing right. They passed the law here in Washington, favorable to all and only tried to remove two sections.
You’re wrong on abortion. They are only mainstream against partial birth abortion, which is always wrong.
On funding birth control you’re wrong there two. It shouldn’t be done. People should learn to pay for their behavioral needs. It’s cheap regardless.
The republicans have taken the logical, and best, route to social issues.
The other side well, uses it, to ignite an emotional war.
Never vote with or listen to your emotions. It is how you get played and it is why you vote liberal. Not because liberals are more in line with your beliefs.
November 4, 2013 at 8:45 am
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bob, I know you’ve mentioned many times that the majority of republicans are like the republicans you have in Washington (state). The thing is, the other republicans, those on the extreme right, get all the press. Until you can find a way to let EVERYONE know that republicans aren’t all bad, you will find very few people who believe you.
You actually are the only conservative voice I’ve heard that doesn’t have a problem with gay marraige. I’m not sure what you mean on abortion, I don’t remember what you’ve said in the past. Birth control is not a hot button issue for me, so if repubs/conservatives just want people to pay themselves, ok. I am against mandated religion even though I believe in God.
Until I see a conservative CANDIDATE who is moderate on the issues that matter to me, I will continue to vote emotionally the other way. Sure, I’d love it if we could be more fiscally conservative, but I’m not willing to trample on the rights of others to get there.
November 4, 2013 at 8:50 am
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bob, I meant to ASK how you feel about the mandated religion issue (instead of just giving my opinion). I don’t think you’ve jumped in to any conversations regarding freedom of religion. Are there republicans in WA who don’t feel they must impose their beliefs on everyone else?
October 30, 2013 at 1:52 pm
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Was just watching HHS head Sebelius try to answer and justify questions and positions on the infamous website. The most troubling issue to me was the fact that they have not done a security end to end security test. According to testimony the site is not encrypted and your personal information is at risk of being obtained and used or sold. So, there is a high risk of identity theft. According to testimony and a memo from Sebelius, “This is an acceptable risk”. I guess so since she does not have to participate in ACA, she gets hers for free under the fed program.
Yes Sargeant, Sebelius admitted she was responsible for the debacle. I thought the buck stopped at the President’s desk. She is definitely a loyal minion and trying to shield him from the responsibility. I remember her saying gleefully in September that the site was going to be open for business. Imagine the conversation when she had to report to him that the site was a disaster. He says, Kathleen, I gave you 3 1/2 years and spent $634 million to get this set up and it won’t accept 200 prospects. What is this? I am puzzled that he didn’t tell him to have her resignation on his desk by mid afternoon. Could someone on the left please explain why incompetence is such a great thing in government?
Integrity, the favorite ploy of this administration is that they won’t comment on an active investigation. That is why they won’t let witnesses testify in front of Congress on Benghazi 14 months after the fact. One would think the investigation should be wrapped up by now. This is just the stonewall that has been the hallmark of this administration. It seems to me that they don’t have enough fingers to put in the dike and the leaks are getting worse by the day.
November 12, 2013 at 5:05 pm
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The answer FFA is about everyone in the administration will try to shield this serial liar. Keep on falling on that sword. I guess he may just be in the bunker by himself by the end of his term.
Sargeant, I saw an article today that Bill Gates – Microsoft and Amazon.com chief saw the debacle in the first week and offered their services to get the site fixed, but were turned down. The administration said “we got it, but thanks for the offer”. My question is if you have something this big and the signature legislation of the President, why not hire the most competent web designers or IT people in the business instead of a Canadian company with an iffy track record of competence. Perhaps it is because cronyism was in play since the VP of the company was a classmate of Michelle Obama at Princeton and a contributor to the campaign. What a colossal mistake to make!
I couldn’t remember the name of the Amazon guy. The truth is that both guys have more brains in their little finger than the bozos that designed this mother of all screw up sites.
Yes Sargeant, AP just came out with a report that security on this site was a major concern. All that was granted for this site was a temporary certificate for security. Due to limited testing, the site is not secure leaving vulnerable all applicants that managed to apply for healthcare policies. Can you see the hackers rejoicing? This is bordering on criminal behavior, not just incompetence. Sebelius needs to be run out of town. I am not sure she will even be welcome in Kansas at this point.
Speaking of being able to “Keep your insurance if you like it” I have a good friend who called me today for advice. He has had his health insurance for about 6 years, paid the premium and has been healthy. He received a letter cancelling his insurance. He paid $362 per month. The best deal he could find was $852 per month. plus his deductibles went from $2,500 for him and his wife to $5,000 each. He was told that it was because of ACA without any further explanation.
Sargeant, did you see the Sebelius testimony today where she said she was responsible for the website mess and she said she was responsible and hold her accountable? They asked her if the buck stopped at the President’s desk and wasn’t he the responsible party for this fiasco. She stammered around and then said “Whatever”. That is the height of arrogance. I would like for our liberal friends to answer this question. Does the words of a President matter? This is a very big issue when 1/6th of the economy is at stake. If a President knowingly deceives the American People and lies repeatedly about the merits of this law, are there consequences for those lies?
I believe that this current situation is an attempt by Insurance Companies to get rid of old policies in favor of new packages at a higher rate – essentially, the businesses taking advatange of the law to increase reveneue. We are constantly blaming the government for all of our ills, not recognizing that businesses make decisions that negatively impact Americans, even when they have the option to do the right thing.
Tom…what part of the law do they have the choice of not complying with? They do not have Obama’s ability to decide what law to follow.
If they are forced to provide coverage, shouldn’t they be allowed to charge a higher premium? Also, what carrier wants to send out thousands of non-renewal notices with the hope that their insured will decide to stay with them and pay a higher premium? Their retentions are likely going to suffer badly.
Tom, the insurance companies are well aware that when they terminate policies those customers are extremely unlikely to come back, especially for a higher premium. If you wanted to boost revenue, why would you terminate 300,000 policies in the hopes that 50,000 come back? That said, with the Government mandate that insurance companies spend 80% of premiums on claims or improving the quality of care, additional benefits they are required to cover and with thousands of formerly uninsurable, high-risk individuals coming on the books how do you expect the company to collect enough premium to cover the huge boost in claims if they’re charging half of what is needed? They are required to comply with the law, and the law states what each plan must cover, that they cannot reject an applicant for health reasons, and also are very limited in what factors can be used to set prices so having a large book of policies that are paying far less in premiums than what is now required to cover claims & expenses for the rest of the customers will put them out of business. This is a recipe cooked up by the government, whether implemented by the companies or not.
FFA, Nixon lied and was due to be Impeached when he resigned. Slick Willy lied and was Impeached, but not removed. Both of those liars suffered the consequences of their lies. The current Liar in Chief has a much larger lie on the plate. When will these whoppers catch up with him? We are supposed to be a nation of laws, not men.
Yes Jack, I am afraid Democrats and liberal Independents are that stupid. Did you see the interview on the street that Shannon Bream did with New Yorkers? She stopped several and asked whether they liked Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act. Some had just a deer in the headlights look, others picked one or the other. Clearly, the low information voters that re-elected this man have very low IQ’s and really don’t care what happens.
Libby, you’ll have to forgive him. It sounds like he’s been Hannitized.
October 30, 2013 at 5:12 pm
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Is it racist if it is a true statement? DO you honestly believe that there are not some portions of the population that feel this way? I have seen interviews where similar statements have been made. Sad, but true.
Why is there such a push from Obama and the progressive right to redistribute wealth? Who is he, or anyone else, to say that someone didn’t work hard enough that they deserve the income that they are receiving?
How hard are some of the people on welfare even looking for jobs, much less earning what they are being paid by the govt?
I think the welfare laws should REQUIRE a minimum amount of community service work for those that are healthy enough to do so.
October 30, 2013 at 7:30 pm
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Libby,
Though I disagree that him stating that the white man is paying more taxes is racist (as by default democrats tend to believe that the wealthy are rich white men, who would by default not by cashing checks from the government)
I have to ask: Where does the homophobe application come into play from Jack’s comment?
Also, as I told you before, the primary reason I’m not democrat, is the majority of all democrats resort to that belief you just put out there.
Republicans are just stupid, non educated, hicks, trailer trash, etc etc. I’ve heard the insults.
It isn’t flattering to the liberal/democrat image.
Don’t say you get insulted just as much by the conservative side. The furthest agent goes with you is to say you’re sipping on kool aid, or that you’re blind, or a socialist. Any of those items are not the same as an uneducated, homophoboic, bible thumping, hick.
October 30, 2013 at 7:32 pm
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Yep Libby, you’re proud if this display aren’t you?
Bob, you’re asking for a rational answer form somebody who wants to murder George Bush. You’re barking up the wrong tree here. Libby is truly sick.
October 31, 2013 at 8:55 am
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For the record, i don’t like Obuma’s white half either. LOL
I’d vote for a black conservative before I’d vote for a white progressive communist !!!!
When (if) you people ever figure out that the US is the 1 percenters to the rest of the world and our wealth is getting redistributed not only in the US but worldwide maybe you will snap out of this Life is Fair crap.
Life AIN’T fair! You can fix poor AND fat by doing one thing, get off your azz.
October 31, 2013 at 9:18 am
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FYI- just in case you want to research the 1% comment before you show your ignorance, dig into the fact Obuma and his DOJ think that UN Treaties override the US Constitution.
I pulled down material off the United Nations website info about UN Agenda 21 that clearly stated the wealth of the US needs to be redistributed.
October 31, 2013 at 10:02 am
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But he is not a proven Liar.
October 31, 2013 at 3:24 pm
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Bob – you would have had to have read some of Jack’s other posts where he refers to gays as homos and has made many other redneck comments. He’s from a little hick town in SC, for crying out loud. I spent many years in NC and I can spot a redneck hick a mile away.
October 31, 2013 at 5:20 pm
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That all you’ve got, Libby, you arrogant piece of…
Give me a hick any day over the likes of you. You are as arrogant as the muslim you worship.
October 31, 2013 at 5:39 pm
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Libby,
Ok, if that’s true then I see your point. It’s really not ok behavior.
But let’s not associate being a hick with being homophobic.
November 1, 2013 at 9:21 am
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Libby- You are a bigot! Cleary by your comments you hate people with oposing views. With that said, I am a bigot as well. Now that we have established the fact by the mire definition of bigot that EVERYONE is a bigot feel free to glory in your bigotry like I do. For you to deny this is simply a LIE.
Welcome to the brotherhood of bigotry- you have been set free.
November 1, 2013 at 9:52 am
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You’re right Jack. I am bigoted against bigots! LOL!
You’re pathetic.
November 1, 2013 at 9:53 am
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Perplexed – there you go again showing your ignorance and your bigotry. FYI – Obama is not a Muslim and I do not worship him. But go ahead with your pathetic rants. It amuses me.
Bob – not confusing homophobe with hick. Jack is both.
November 1, 2013 at 2:30 pm
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You guys and bigot libby see the executive order signed by the president today thats going to drive your energy prices thru the roof?
Do me a favor libby, make a copy of your water and power bills. Let’s compare in about 5-10 years after the democrats get finished really screwing things up.
Now before you go blaming the big bad power and water companies for doing it, just remember they were obeying the law.
October 31, 2013 at 10:26 am
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Just an FYI jack – conservative pundit Erik Erikson (sp?) has informed his readers that the free phone program was actually Dubya’s gift to the masses.
jw- I don’t agree with 1/2 the crap W did either. I’m not one of those follow the leader into the ditch type like these obuma voters.
FYI- we should have dropped a nuke on Iraq and Afgan and said if you ever do it again we will drop 10 more. Thats how you deal with people that have clearly stated and state it every day that the USA is the root of all evil. We have been wussified by political correctness and it will be our end. When you can call a spade a spade you are doomed.
October 31, 2013 at 11:26 am
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correction- when you CAN’T call a spade a spade. And no Libby I ain’t directing that at Obuma.
October 31, 2013 at 12:57 pm
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jack – strangely, I’m not offended by the complete annihilation of countries that support/supported terrorists.
BTW – only mentioned the phone thing because you called it an Obuma phone.
October 31, 2013 at 2:05 pm
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jw- If Obuma were against the free phones he would have shut it down….you know kinda like shutting down millions of people’s health plans. :)
October 31, 2013 at 3:04 pm
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Well, there is that! LOL
October 31, 2013 at 3:28 pm
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Actually, jw, the phone program was started by Reagan for landlines so people would have access in case of an emergency. Dubya extended it to cell phones.
October 30, 2013 at 10:36 pm
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Yes, they are that stupid just like illegal aliens are not illegal aliens, they are “undocumented workers” even though many of them don’t work. They are on the free train.
The ACA was passed by the slimmest of maargins and would never have passed had there not been this reassurance. This was one of the major criticisms of the bill – That you will be forced out of a health plan you like and be required to buy one you didn’t want.
FFA said- “Blago, Rezco, Levine, Sebelius – who is next?? How many people going to to protect this LIAR.
FFA how about, Biden (Buy a shotgun), Eric Holder (Fast and Furious), Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton (Benghazi), commerce secretary Penny Spritzker- Solyndra, Bankrupt battery maker A123 a big Obama speech on A123, Solar Trust- Bankrupt, Brightsource- Bankrupt, LSP Energy= Bankrupt, Abound Solar-Failed and received a $400 million dollar loan guarantee from Obama, Evergreen Solar, Failed BL after a %527 million dollar loan from Obama etc, etc, etc
Agent said- “Sargeant, did you see the Sebelius testimony today where she said she was responsible for the website mess and she said she was responsible and hold her accountable?”
Yes I saw her testimony. I also saw her say she would not delay or shutdown the website even if the website is not secure, could be hacked d the information used for identity theft purposes. What an idiot.
Sargeant, the President was in Boston yesterday trying to do damage control. He told the people that if they were getting a rate increase to “shop around”. How disengaged is that from reality? He had all those low information voters behind him that were just soaking it all in like they have been for the past 5 years.
She also admitted yesterday that there was no background checks on Federal Navigators so felons could be receiving peoples info on Socials, financial etc. Could that be a problem?
Agent said- “Does the words of a President matter?”
How can words matter unless you have credibility and he is losing the rest that he has. For example here is a President who:
* Blamed every negative thing that happened in his first 4 year term on George Bush but took credit for anything that was positive to his wondrous ability to govern even though he never managed a lemonade stand.
*Knew nothing about Fast and Furious that killed a US Border Patrol agent,
*He knew nothing about Benghazi, that killed 4 Americans and Burned a US Embassy,
* He knew absolutely nothing about the ACA website follies,
*He knew absolutely nothing about US citizens ability to “keep their own healthcare policy”
And he continues to think there are enough stupid Americans in the country that will believe anything he says in the face of the truth and reality.
So Sargeant, O’Reilly said he wasn’t prepared to say the President lied about Obamacare and telling the American People they could keep their plans and their doctors although he did it several dozen times on tape. This is his signature legislation and he argued for it for over two years prior to being passed and he doesn’t know what was in it? I think he has known since 2010 like the other minions in his administration have known. If this man can lie about Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS, NSA, he can lie about this as well. This whole administration is built on a lie. To me, this fits the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors to deceive the American People who trusted his statements. No one expects a President to be a micro manager of every detail of every program in his administration, but he does get daily briefings on most subjects so he can take action where appropriate. Have we seen any heads roll for these minions on any of these things that have happened.
I think he is a Bill Clinton but not as smooth. Clinton would lie but then go back and tell people they “misinterpreted his comments” Then he would explain it again in a way that twisted what he said to be somewhat incredible, I.E “I did not have sex with that women, Ms. Lewinski”. He denied it then came back and had one of his staff tell everyone that he meant sexual intercourse and that “fellatio” was not sex.
Obama just is not that smart. ere is a show on TV called Gatekeepers. I think on the Military channel. It is all of those who served as White House Chief of staff. There is one comment by Leon Panetta (Clinton’ Chief of staff and Obama’s Secretary of Defense). He says and I quote- ” You have to be the SOB that tells people what the President can’t tell them”. So, you protect the lies the President makes and take the heat and accountability for it. i.e, Holder took the heat for Fast and Furious (Obama can act like an idiot), Hillary can take the heat on Benghazi while Obama denies any involvement (Idiot), and Sebelious takes the heat for the ACA website.
In the meantime the CIA finds Bin Laden after a 10 year hunt, the military prepares Seal Team Six for the black op and Obama takes the credit for Seal Team Six successful operation. That is like being the owner of an MLB baseball team and the owner taking credit for the home run that wins the world series.
I wonder where he would have been if the operation went bad. Hello Hillary? You meet with the press!
Sargeant, these Progressive Democrats are great at parsing words and making their lies sound believable. It comes with Lawyer training 101. You may recall that when Slick Willy got caught on the definition of sex, he said it depends on what the definition of is is. What? Eventually he got found out when the blue dress showed up. Oops! I am still amazed they didn’t find Monica floating face down in the Potomac. Numerous other people in that administration died mysteriously. Vince Foster, Ron Brown are the best examples.
Per Jerry sienfeld, sex begins when the nipple makes it appearance…
October 30, 2013 at 10:16 pm
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Kathleen Sebelius, under direction of President Obama has spent $650 Million dollars for a website that does not work. So, who is going to pay for fixing it? The contractors that built it or the taxpayers who paid for it the first time?
Now if you were in private business and you went and attempted to get investors to invest in your company (such as Google, Amazon, expedia did when they developed their web business) and you said- “We have spent $650 Million on our product and it does not work and we are looking for investors and promise to fix it”. The investment community would laugh you out of the building and you would go broke, they would not say “great where do we sign up and wow go spend more of our money to fix it”.
As I have said many times, why would anyone think that the government could run a national healthcare program when they can’t deliver mail and break even?
1. Sebelius said the website itself has cost $118 million, with another $56 million for supporting IT issues. I would expect a site of this magnitude to be very expensive. Ever been involved in a major IT roll out? I have. Testing is always the variable that gets sacrificed. It’s a miracle it works as well as it does considering they’ve had less than a year to work on it. And no, they haven’t had 3 years.
2. They’ve been running the most efficient national healthcare plan, Medicare, in the world for quite a while.
3. The Post Office would break even if they didn’t have to pre-fund their health care reserve for employees that aren’t even born yet.
Everybody seems to have conveniently forgotten how much of a disaster the roll out of Medicare Part D was. And it didn’t have an entire political party, a cable network and half the states in the Country working against it. Funny how that there librul media isn’t revisiting the Medicare Part D disaster.
Jack, I lived through that era as well and I don’t remember a disaster on Part D. I think there was a good deal of bi-partisan support for it at the time, unlike Obamacare which was purely partisan from the word go. By the way, customers on Part D also have Supplement policies that they pay a premium for to have this benefit. It is not given for free.
Well “Comrade” yes I have been responsible for not one but six major IT launches and for other major modifications and not once did we release the software until it met security and functionality requirements. I fired several contractors over the years and sued some for incompetency. Also we tested not what we thought was going to be the normal traffic but for 2 and sometimes 3x maximum forecasted traffic. We also had to have it function with 16 different languages/dialects across the globe. Testing might be sacrificed where you work but not under my watch. Besides that we refused to put the company at risk to the Federal Government and by class action lawsuits for a lack of security.
So where do the US citizens sign up to sue the Federal Government for a hackable website and misappropriation of tax money?
The number I keep hearing is $650 Million spent and I don’t necessarily believe Sebelious as I am sure she is couching costs.
Also, answer the question- Who should have to pay to fix a non functioning website?
Sargeant, Why do I believe that Amazon or Microsoft could design a working site for a fraction of the cost? Could it be that they have a proven track record and the smartest geeks in the country?
Sure agent, but they are Americans. Why would OBama pay an American with American Tax Dollars when he can ship that money out of the country to his wife college pal??? That’s just Un American to put Americans to work seems to be the current line of thinking.
FFA, probably for the same reason he allowed his buddy Jeffrey Imelt of GE to ship whole divisions of GE to China and pay no Federal Income Tax on their American operations.
FFA – while the profit goes to Canada, it was the U.S. division of this Canadian company that was awarded the job. There were plenty of American workers involved.
Don’t make it better. Still American Tax Payer Money leaving the country.
October 31, 2013 at 12:41 pm
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You are right, and they did it on their own, with their own money (some out of a garage or a dorm room to earn extra money)and their own ambition. That is Capitalism and keep the government out of it. As I have said many times, the Federal government is the absolute worst at creating and administering any program. They have no real ambition to succeed because they don’t have to when it comes to domestic programs. They spend taxpayer money, not their own, they can dictate the results and the people have to like it. And there is no recourse when it is a disaster.
So, it should not be a surprise to anyone but maybe the liberals who drink the daily Democrat Kool Aid.
It reminds me of the movie “Animal House”. In the scene where Kevin Bacon, in uniform raises his hands, in the middle of a riot and says “remain calm, all is well” or something like that.Ha
The administration is blaming the cancellations on the heartless insurance industry in order to spin this. They are pressuring health execs to keep their mouths shut while they do this. I do not understand why companies are getting in bed with this administration other than short term profits when this President wants to ultimately drive you out of business. Look at what happened to the industrialists in Germany under Hitler. Obama the socialist is no different.
This just came across my email from one of the people getting screwed by OBamas lie –
“I seen they authored a bill to change the stand on existing policy’s and even have a few democrats supporting it. I wonder if BCBS would have to reinstate my policy then.”
FFA, I just got my commission schedule effective 1-1-14 that the under 65 business will be 6% for year 1-3 and 4% thereafter. Can we all say OBAMACARE? I don’t think agents can make a living on this so we better do P&C.
FFA, speaking of screws, did you see the political cartoon with Obama on Obamacare suppositories? It had him standing behind a giant bucket of screws, each of which were about 6 inches long.
Comreade said- “The Post Office would break even if they didn’t have to pre-fund their health care reserve for employees that aren’t even born yet.” Huh??
The post office has to prefund their retirement plan so that the Taxpayers don’t have to bail them out because the government takes the money and uses it elsewhere. That is what Obama has done to Social Security. He takes the money and gives SS trust an IOU. That is why it is going broke.
If I was given a business (like the post office) which is a Monopoly (so no competition), is exempt from paying any taxes, Is exempt from regulation, is exempt from law including parking tickets and could charge whatever I wanted, I would make a fortune many times over. But the government, no they are inefficient, bloated, inept and have the best defined benefit pension plan as well as the best healthcare plan in the US.
I think your right Libby, but I can dream…
This fraud he laid down on the American people can not go unchecked. There has to be consequences the same as I punish my Gr kids for lying… I can tolerate a lot, but lying… No way!
What? “no blame after the term ends! Sweet!!” This is hilarious. This his the same group of people that blamed George Bush for everything including bad weather for the past 5 years. The way I see it Obozo should be good for the next 20 years. Alas, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton can rest easy, we have a new worst United States president that has ever been in office.
There is a reason Obama keeps his records locked up stock and barrel. Someday all of them will be realeased and we’ll finally find our who Barry really is and where exactly he was born – Kenya.
Even if that is true, he would still be eligible to be the President of the United States due to the fact that his mother was a United States citizen at the time of his birth. If that is not the case, then Ted Cruz is ineligble to be the President of the United States.
November 1, 2013 at 2:37 pm
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Well Ron, then he is not. I don’t think he’ll get the same pass the Liar did.
November 1, 2013 at 3:33 pm
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What pass? They had a whole movement lead by Donald Trump. The real question is, “will those same birthers oppose Ted Cruz, should he get the Republican nomination?” Now that would make for some great theater.
Both sides may end up looking like hypocrites on this issue.
November 1, 2013 at 5:14 pm
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Ron, I have read the story on Cruz which you have not apparently done. His father immigrated to this country legally from Cuba and became a citizen. Ted was born here, not Cuba. Get your facts straight. His dad’s story is one of perserverance and hard work and success. He obviously instilled values in his son and we need plenty more of him. By the way, his filibuster was denounced by the press and some of his colleagues in the Senate. He is looking more shrewd by the day as Obamacare implodes in front of our eyes. He warned us this was coming and a lot of politicians said he was crazy. Crazy smart!
November 1, 2013 at 6:40 pm
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Ron, funny how these politicians keep digging a deeper hole. Any metrics to prove or disprove that thought. Or is that obvious to only the average Joe?
November 3, 2013 at 8:51 pm
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Agent,
Get YOUR facts straight…Ted Cruz was born in Canada.
Ted Cruz has discussed the fact (in an interview) he was born in Canada. This was on several news sites. He seems to think that doesn’t make him ineligible to run for president; however, Canada is a separate country, not a colony of the US.
Obama, for all his other faults, was born in Hawaii, which is the 50th state.
November 1, 2013 at 5:19 pm
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I agree FFA. Ford’s big mistake was to pardon Nixon and he lost because of it. I would have let Tricky Dicky swing, but he said he did it to save the country from the trials and tribulation it would have brought with Impeachment or other crimes committed. Had Nixon come clean on his minions and thrown them under the bus, he would have survived and finished his term. He also was stupid enough to tape record everything that went on. Those tapes should have been burned in the fireplace, but the evidence brought him down. He was a typical arrogant President who thought he could get away with it, much like our current one.
The comment that employees with employer coverage won,t have their policy change is just not the truth. Group insurance is changing also and not for the better. Less coverage more cost what a mess.
Carol, I saw an article today that Forbes is now saying that up to 51% of employees covered under their employer health insurance will lose their healthcare mainly because of mandated coverages that have plagued the Individual market. Let’s see, if we have 15 million losing their Individual and another 75 million or so losing their group benefits, I think that is a pretty big thing, don’t you? All that has happened so far is just delaying the Group issue for a year. Employers are making plans as we speak and it won’t be pretty unless we get major concessions and those Progressive don’t want to concede anything. We are going to have to run them all out of town on a rail starting with Sebelius.
Ron said- “Did you see that the annual deficit has gone down again this year?”
Wow, Ron LOL. This president spends more money than any President in history and you praise him for not blowing through a TRILLION dollars of debt. That is hilarious.
So let’s take away some zeros. That is like a family who sits down and says gee, I made 75K this year and we spent 100K, that’s great because last year I made 75K and we spent 125K, that is great. Now we have $500K in overall debt o pay when it could have been 550K. Boy we done good”
So, using your information and website I did a little calculation on my own. According to you referenced site:
Bush had about $5.850 Trillion of debt including 2009 which was Obama’s first year as President. Seems that maybe he got stuck with more debt than he deserved but OK let’s leave it. $5.850 billion divided by 8 years in office, is $731 Billion per year (Including the bailouts for 2008 and Obamas stimulus fiasco).
Obama has debt equal to $5.082 Trillion for his first 5 years office. That equates to $1.016.40 Trillion per year even when you include his best year and the small amount he got tagged with for 2009. He is the worst money manager in the history of the US.
But really, The only number that really counts is the $17 trillion in debt that Obama refuses to deal with other than refuse to make any cuts and asks for continual debt ceiling increase. His comment ” We don’t have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem (Tax for you). This in spite of the fact that in 2006 he voted against raising the debt ceiling because he thought it was irresponsible.
Here is you website referral
FFA, Ha “we should focus on immigration control” another cost and debt waster. He wants to buy Democrat votes and he is willing to force America into bankruptcy to do it.
We need fiscal reform and those here ILLEGALLY should be escorted back to Mexico or where ever else they have come from. We need to cut off Medicaid, welfare, immediate cash and anything else to NON US Citizens. If they want to get in line and do it the correct way fine. But what does Obama want to do? Give some sort of amnesty, waiver who knows what.
So if you were honest and had integrity and someone who wanted to become an American citizen and doing it the way the law states what would you think? You have spent years and thousands of dollars to become a US citizen while the LIAR in Chief gives amnesty to those who swam across the Rio Grande river or climbed a fence with a bundle of dope on your back.
FFA, He is in so much trouble with Healthcare, he has decided to wag the dog and start talking about Immigration again. So much for focusing in on the economy like a laser that he promised to do 5 years ago. What happened on that Stimulus that wasn’t a stimulus? Where are all those shovel ready jobs? Oops!
I went back to your referenced website again and the number for Looks like 2013 was $672B, which is a year to date number (2013 is not over yet). So if you go to the debt clock I referenced to you, you will see that the debt figure as of this minute is close to $720B up $48B since your website number. Since we still have November and December to go and assuming a $48B run rate that would mean he ends up at about $815 to $820B in racked up debt. My bet? Obama spends closer to another trillion than the US takes in from Taxes. Boy, you should celebrate
Speaking of websites, I have not seen a comment on our powerful $634 Million website that only enrolled 6 applicants the first day it was used. Wow! 6????. For a couple more days, only up to 200+ enrolled in the wonderful exchanges. I am impressed. At this rate, it will take about 2,000 years to get everyone enrolled in government sponsored healthcare. I seem to remember they wanted to enroll 7 million by March. I think that figure may be out of reach at this point.
Agent- Yep, 6 applicants and they all spoke Spanish and arrived last week after they smuggled some dope across the border. They enrolled after they got their drivers license , emergency Medicaid card and cash from the welfare office.
Sargeant, I would bet a months income that none of the 6 enrolled were the young and healthy this administration is counting on. My money is on the PreX people desperate to get any coverage. Fill that website up with enough sick people and see what the rates do in the coming months.
November 1, 2013 at 6:34 pm
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On a comparative basis, my web sit can accommodate 8000 at one time. I haven’t had 8000 on at one time, but the server says it can.
One other thing, the U.S. fiscal year ended on September 30, which menas 2013 IS over for this purpose. Remeber the governement shutdown that began on Octoiber 1. There is a reason it began then.
So Ron, if your statement is correct, we have a head start on the next fiscal year of debt after the debt ceiling is raised in October. It shouldn’t be hard to reach that trillion dollar mark at this rate, should it. The debt clock passed $17 Trillion with a T and you are claiming they are fiscally responsible. Are you from the same planet and Planet?
What you meant to say is; because, not if, my statement is correct…
Right now we have no idea what the total debt for fiscal year 2014 will be. You may very well be right, but let’s see.
November 5, 2013 at 8:12 am
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If you cannot find a source that shows spending is increasing, then please let us know. Otherwise, put up or shut up!!
November 4, 2013 at 10:33 am
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Sargeant, when the debt deal was reached to increase the limit, we automatically acquired $350 billion in new debt. We still have two months left in the calendar year. Even with more revenue coming in, we will still be pushing $1Trillion yet again. Poor Ron still thinks we are spending less with Obama. I am sure he will trot out another government website filled with false data to try to prove his point. We know how trustworthy the government is, don’t we? Lie, lie, lie and tell it as much as possible and the low information voters will believe it. Just like Orwell’s Ministry of Information in the book 1984.
I have never praised President Obama, only showed how economic results during his term compare to other Presidents. If you do not know the difference, I cannot help you.
I was looking at the clock and noticed a couple of positive trends.
1. US Federal spending is decreasing
2. US Federal deficit is decreasing
3. GDP is increasing
4. Tax Revenue is increasing
5. Small business, corporate and household assets are each increasing
Of course there are also very negative trends such as:
1. US National Debt increasing
2. Unfunded liabilities increasing.
3. Most of the Largest Budget Items increasing.
Everyone knows that creating more jobs is important, but that is not the President’s job. How come you cannot admit that President Obama is not destroying this economy based on the numbers? All you have is one data point, Labor Participation Rate, that has gotten worse since he took office.
What has Congress (Democratic Senate and the Republican House) done to improve the Labor Participation Rate? If they cannot work together to put forth a jobs bill for the President to either sign or veto, it is their fault.
Ron, you obviously have a limited understanding of most subjects and don’t remember what was said by your President. Do you not remember him saying 5 years ago that he was going to focus like a laser on the economy? The last thing he thought about at night and the first thing in the morning? Instead, he has focuse on everything except the economy and has dug the nation in a deeper hole. Ron, the President has enormous influence on creating conditions to creating jobs. Have you heard of the State of the Union address? That is his bully pulpit to influence events. He can send legislation to Congress to lower taxes, provide incentives to hire for Small Business, but instead has things in place to increase taxes, discourage employers to hire. Are you that dumb? By the way, the House has sent numerous jobs bills to the Senate only to have the minion Reid to trash them. This is all a Progressive failure from the start. Obama is not a dictator, but he thinks he is one. His legacy is of the worst President in modern history.
November 4, 2013 at 11:40 am
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Agent,
You obviously have no clue about the current political environment.
You dsaid, “He can send legislation to Congress to lower taxes, provide incentives to hire for Small Business, but instead has things in place to increase taxes, discourage employers to hire.” President Obama did send a jobs bill to the Congrees that called for tax cuts to job creators and those who hire military veterans and the long term unemployed. It was shot down because President Obama had the audacity to require it be paid for by increasing some taxes on those who have the means and closing tax loopholes that unfairly benefit the rich. It is called fiscal responsibility.
Here is a summary directly from The House Republicans own website.
All Presidents are limited to what Congress will present to be signed or vetoed. Yes, I am putting some blame on Senate Majority Leader Reid.
One more thing, have you renounced your citizenship and moved yet/ Otherwise, President Obama is your President too!!
November 4, 2013 at 5:13 pm
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Ron, in your limited Independent thinking, you are actually looking like an apologist for Obama. I think you are a Democrat in Independent clothing. Your father in law had you pegged just about right. You obviously didn’t realize that raising taxes is not a stimulus for creating jobs in this country. Hey, you got your tax increases last time. How many jobs were created from soaking the well to do? Do you think the miserable month to month job numbers are getting better? More part time than full time doesn’t sound like “Progress” to me. New unemployment claims are varying from 300,000 to 350,000 each month. Keep on blaming Republicans for the fiscal problems dummy. You are not getting anywhere with that tactic. You choose to ignore all the bills for jobs they have sent over only to have them trashed. Obama has not seen one bill because your Buddy Reid will not allow debate or vote on them. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
November 5, 2013 at 8:00 am
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Agent,
You continue to amaze me with your lack of reading comprehension. I did crticize Senate Majority Leader Reid in my post. Remember this line? “Yes, I am putting some blame on Senate Majority Leader Reid.”
You still have not listed all of my progressive viewpoints to prove that I am a Democrat. Yes, I do believe President Obama gets labeled incorrectly as an economy destroyer. I agree that the jobs situation is bad, but you have not provided how it is his fault. That falls on Congress including the Senate Democrats. See I’m blaming the Democrats again. President Obama tried to present a Jobs Bill, but it was shot down. If he were to remove the part to pay for the bill he would have been criticized for increasing the debt. Even when he presents Republican ideas he gets shot down.
However, there are more positive economic indicators than negative. We will see what the debt number is at the end of the 2014 fiscal year, but it has been trebnding down since President Obaba took office regardless of his impact.
Please cite where in the Constitution it indicates that the handling of the economy is the President’s responsibility?
New unemployment claims only tell part of the story. You should be using net jobs to take into account new jobs created. Do you have a source that indicates how many new jobs are part time?
November 1, 2013 at 5:14 pm
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Ron said- “It is called trending”
No Ron it is called DEBT. We are going broke but the trend is a little slower than the last 4 years so it will take just a little more time. WOOHOO
I suppose you think that because unemployment is at 7.2% that we should celebrate as well?
Yes Sargeant, Progressives say Woohoo and trumpet that unemployment is lower and they forgot several million that gave up looking and dropped out and went on disability. The true unemployment rate is north of 15%.
You cannot solve our huge debt problem that has been contributed to for so many years in just a few years. Trending allows to see if something is improving or getting worse.
I am not celebrating anything, but at least I can find some positives to go with the negatives. All you do is find something negative and hold onto it like it is your last cookie.
Ron said- “You cannot solve our huge debt problem that has been contributed to for so many years in just a few years.”
Ok. Ron, “Mr. show me your sources”. You believe that one year of debt less than a trillion dollars (forget about whether or not Bush should have been stuck with Obama’s debt)is a “trend” versus an anomaly? Could it have been the fact that the conservatives forced Sequester cuts, Forced a shutdown (mainly because Obozo would not negotiate) etc.? Could that have had an affect on spending or was it because you believe that the President is such a good debt manager? Show me your sources. LOL
So your position is we don’t need to take immediate and big steps in trying to keep the country from going broke as long as we are “trending” toward bankruptcy. At Obozo’s trending rate, we will be broke before the trend goes from Red to black.
November 4, 2013 at 10:28 am
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Sarge,
Let’s see if it is an anomaly. Will you concede that you are wrong if the deficit decreases again next year?
Did you not look at the souce I provide. It specified that $253 billion was deducted from the FY 2009 budget of President Bush and applied to President Obama. Let’s look at the annual debt over time:
2002: $421 Billion
2003: $555 Billion
2004: $596 Billion
2005: $554 Billion
2006: $574 Billion
2007: $501 Billion
2008: $1.017 Trillion
2009: $1.632 trillion.(Bush’s deficit without the impact of the Economic Stimulus Act)
I do not give a rats behind why, my point is that it is trending down since he took office ($672 Billion < $1.652 Trillion). Your side needs to stop saying that the deficit and government spending are increasing when you have not provided one source that says they are and I have provided different sources that indicate they are both decreasing.
November 5, 2013 at 10:51 am
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Ron, in your liberal Independent brainwashed skull, you continue to amaze me with your BS. You are an apologist no different than James Carvill. Perhaps you should apply for Jay Carney’s job so you can continue to try to defend the policies of your President. You say that Obama is unfairly labeled as an economy destroyer. We have had 5 uninterrupted years of economic malaise in this country and a President who has tried all the Progressive Keynsian spending solutions to no avail and has made things worse for America and then has the audacity to lie about Obamacare which is the biggest job killer ever passed. How do you think his policies are good for America? When is enough enough with you? Are you using the Core Curriculum math taught to you in school. New unemployment claims = 350,000 per month, new part time jobs created = 150,000. Simple math tells me we are losing out by 200,000 per month.
If you are going to cite numbers, you MUST cite your source. Otherwiswe, keep it to yourself. You did not include new full-time jobs in your simple math calculation. I would think that is important.
I am still waiting for the list of my liberal/progressive/socialist viewpoints.
Does economic malaise=a worsen economy? Tat is a VERY important disctinction. I am going under the assumption that you cannot prove staistically the economy is getting WORSE. The only way you can prove me wrong is with statistics and a cited source.
Please list all of President Obama’s implemented Progressive Keynsian spending solutions. I do not want to hear about his ideology, I want to know what is actually in effect.
Enough will be enough when you provide data and a cited source. Otherwise I will discount you as a cluelss blowhard who cannot justify his Economics degree.
November 5, 2013 at 1:58 pm
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I’m doubting he has an Economics Degree at this point, aren you Ron?
November 5, 2013 at 2:19 pm
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Libby,
I have NEVER debated someone with an Economics degree who has been unable to cite the sources of the data and/or statitics they use to support their position. Maybe his degree is in Philosphical Economics.
November 5, 2013 at 4:33 pm
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I think he read a book about Milton Friedman and really, really, really took it to heart. Either that or he’s just a troll.
November 1, 2013 at 11:53 am
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And for something completely different, check this link out for full story
Both political parties can have fun with this one, thanks in part to that last line. But before we offer you our helpful cocktail hour talking points, here’s what the drop looks like.
That’s just the deficit since 1980. In the late 1990s, the federal government’s revenue (mostly taxes) was larger than its outlays, yielding a surplus. That used to be the norm. Here, via the Federal Reserve, is the surplus or deficit since 1900. Important note: This is not adjusted to 2012 dollars.
And now, here’s how to argue about this – see link
It’s really all coming together well for the democrats (communist) in this country. The middle class will be destroyed so we have the upper and the lower class. The question is where will you be?
I suggest you use the God given talents you have to make hay while you can. Get out their people and start your own business before regulations realy kick in. Don’t listen to people that are not where you would prefer to be. That person sitting in the cube next to you can’t help! That college prof that’s taught business for 20 years can’t help!
Forget your past failures people. The people or voice that reminds you of those can’t help. The Voice of Truth is a great song. Be faithful, be thankful, turn from the things of this world. You can Win, We can win. He has already won.
Jack, we all hope God continues to bless America. I know he must be rolling his eyes at what is going on the past decade or so, but there are good people in this country. We just happen to have some bad characters in office which need to go so the country can get back on the right track.
That would be good old US work ethic and ingenuity. Capitalism at its best. How anyone can thumb you down for that post is beyond me. That person must be a lazy, entitlement recipient who believes the government owes them a living.
Sargeant, there are always haters out there who will down thumb me on any post I make. They can’t stand it because I stand up for Conservative values for this country and love to call me wrong when I am right. Poor Ron says that he wants an investigation about Obama’s lying to the American People instead of Impeaching him. You have seen his milk toast replies and he goes right back to blaming the Republicans because he holds them to a higher standard. He is extremely reluctant to blame the Progressive Democrats and he certainly doesn’t hold them to any kind of standard. Have you noticed the new comments from the media apologists now saying Obama just misspoke? Kind of like Clinton saying it depends on the definition of is is. Misspeaking is not so bad according to them even if it is the biggest lie we have ever heard from a President.
That is why I am voting against every incumbent, regardless of part affiliation. It is the only way I know to send a message. Could you imagine if every voter did the same? Now that would be a wake up call.
I’m on board. That’s how I voted last election. Hopefully people will do the same in the Mid Terms…
November 1, 2013 at 4:38 pm
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Ron, I am interested in knowing whether you think the numerous lies this President has said over and over rises to the level of High Crimes & Misdemeanors. Please don’t make excuses that he didn’t know what he was saying. He knew exactly what he was saying. By the way, Clinton was impeached for lying to a Federal Grand Jury over a sexcapade with an intern. Nixon would have been impeached for lying about a break in by political operatives during an election campaign. He resigned before they could impeach him. I think when a President lies to 320 million Americans on National TV several dozen times and intentionally misleads them, that rises to the level of Impeachment. I don’t think you can find your answer on a website. You will have to think this out on your own.
November 1, 2013 at 7:39 pm
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Ron,
DING DING DING. And here we are again:
What message are you sending? You don’t want the ACA.
In 2010 you guys voted out the democrat congress, independents. Then you voted against independents in 2012. Good job. ACA is still there.
Vote per policy and what a party aims to do.
Not the “vote out incumbents”. Are you aware that the democrats saw the 2012 victory as the “obama care is what people want” mantra? They didn’t see it that people were upset with them.
You independants are what is wrong. VOTE PER POLICY.
If you don’t like ACA and want lower spending (most of you do) VOTE IN THE GUYS WHO SAY THEY WILL BRING IT DOWN, AND ARE ALLOWING THE SEQUESTER TO GO THROUGH.
Seriously, Ron, pay attention to politics. Jesus Christ. When you complain about the ACA again and say you want smaller government, I’m going to just tell you to silence your mouth. You had the ability to shape policy and you chose your “vote out the incumbents” strategy. I may as well use the christmas tree method, and then complain when it doesn’t cause policy change.
November 1, 2013 at 7:41 pm
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Should read: voted out democrats in 2010 to get rid of ACA. And then you voted out incumbents who tried to get rid of the ACA in 2012.
Now you’re complaining, that the 2012 republican congress is trying to get rid of the ACA, rather than the democrats who refused to let the republicans pass a budget without the ACA which would have killed it.
I mean really. Learn to vote. Learn how to get mad at the correct side.
Also: The jobs costed was 20,000 and we supposedly lost 20 billion in the economy. If 20,000 jobs cost 20 billion, we have a problem Ron, and the ending of the spending was a good thing, not a bad one, in the government shut down.
November 4, 2013 at 7:48 am
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Agent,
I am in no position to make any determination whether or not Articles of Impeachment, not impeachment papers as you previously referred to them, should or should not be drawn up against President Obama. However, I would have far more respect for the Republicans in the House if they spent more time looking into that than repealing, defunding and delaying the PPACA. Oh I forgot, fear of being called a racist is by far more important than removing a President who has committed high crimes through lying, trampled upon the Constitution, and destroyed our economy beyond repair.
November 4, 2013 at 11:03 am
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Ron, the delay now is OBamas sole responsibility. He laid out an unrealistic time frame. He hired a hack contractor. Sent American Tax Payer dollar out of the country. He started this because of 17 Mil people. Created an issue for an additional 18M people. Wait till the employer mandate rolls out. Another 75M (unconfirmed) people. The 2x strategy don’t work at the black jack table, why on earth does he expect it to work in the health care market???
November 12, 2013 at 5:11 pm
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Hey Ron, Some tell bigger whoppers than others do and then repeat it 39 times on tape. The chickens have come home to roost.
As IF we didn’t have quality coverage in the past. Most Americans had very good insurance with options they chose to have or not have such as maternity. The reason people are getting these notices is because maternity wasn’t part of their CHOSEN plan and now does not CONFORM to the new more expensive plans that Obama is forcing us to have. And just let me clarify – yes women in the past paid more for their premium because women typically go to the doctor more than men – but now men will be paying the higher premium too if you thought the government would switch it the other way around and lowering the premium to balance out the playing field – I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. I love the way the democratic spin doctors, including Obama try to spin this in the positive – 6 people signed up the first day – 250 the next! (((Crickets))) And, what kind of security did those people who actually signed have on all their personal information? If I were any of them I’d be canceling my credit/debit card and opening new bank accounts. People are starting to wake up and smell the coffee these days and the democrats are looking pretty stupid for thinking that we are that dumb. Obama couldn’t possibly be that clueless but I’ll give him credit where credit it due – he is one hell of a liar.
So Ron, I thought you would have trouble on the Impeachment issue. What a typical milk toast reply. You are in no position to make a determination of whether the totality of lies rises to the level of Impeachment? I guess you couldn’t find a website to tell you what to think and whether the actions of this President broke the public trust. Don’t you realize the credibility of this President is 0 now? By the way, there is a good reason why Republicans continued to try to repeal or defund Obamacare. It is terrible policy as has been born out in the facts and reality. Now, they need to get on with Impeachment for the huge lies he has foisted on the American People.
I am a realist. I do not have the power to bring Articles of Impeachment against any President, so why are you asking me? If I had that authority I would do thorough investigation and not base my decision on rhetoric from anyone.
If the president has zero credibility, yet a higher approval rating than Republicans, what does that say about the credibility of Republicans? Can you have a negative credibility rating?
You have no clue what my biggest problem is with Republicans. They are wasting my taxes and endangering the economy on a failed strategy. Repealing the PPACA will not work until they iether; 1.get a veto-proof majority in the Senate and House, or. 2. Get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, maintain their majority in the House, and win the 2016 Presidential Election.
If you know of another feasible way to accomplish this, please let them know. They obviously have no clue since the PPACA has been a law (not a bill) for 3 1/2 years.
Ron, instead of using rhetoric from me or anyone else that has eyes and a brain, why not use the rhetoric of your President to make up your mind? There are dozens of examples of this huge lie available for your review. Why do you need an investigation? That is the stock answer from the administration every time they get caught with their lies and deceptions. Benghazi happened 14 months ago and the investigation is still going on. How about you hold them responsible for this mess instead of saying you need an investigation. I had to laugh that you saying you hold Republicans responsible for wasting your tax money. What do you think your Democratic friends have been doing with your tax money? Endangering the economy? Do you think the Democratic strategy is helping the economy? It is time to call this what it is, a ruinous policy that is bankrupting the economy. By the way, the Democrats in Congress have just as low a rating as the Republicans. Overall rating is about 12% the last time I checked. Time for a complete turnover in 14 and make this guy the lamest of ducks and this so called law is imploding daily. Bad law, terrible implementation and huge waste of taxpayer dollars.
I have repreatedly expressed my disappointment that the Benghazi terrorist attack occurred and how it was handled by the Obama Administration.
I hold Republicans to a higher standard because they are supposedly the party of fiscal responsiblity. I have no more Democratic friends than Republicans. There is no data that indicates that the economy, even with an historically low Labor Participation Rate, is getting worse. It may not be improving at an acceptable rate, but that is different than getting worse.
Until the Republicans come up with a better strategy to win elections and turn their ideas and policies into law, it does not matter how much better their ideology is than the Democrats.
I highly doubt we will see a complete turnover next year due mostly to people like you who will continue to vote for a letter than to send a message. I will do my part and vote against any incumbent, regardless of party affiliation. Will you have the courage to do the same? If our representatives will not pass a law for term limits, let the people do it.
November 4, 2013 at 2:25 pm
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Agent, I’m curious why you keep referring to Misdemeanors when discussing the possibility of impeachment.
jw, you should look up the history of Presidential Impeachments. The standard for calling for Impeachment is “High Crimes & Misdemeanors”. Of course, lying about Obamacare fits more with High Crimes than it does Misdemeanors. Nixon’s issue started out with Misdemeanors and escalated to High Crimes when he lied about his involvement and hid the truth for so long. Clinton’s lying about the intern was to a Federal Jury. Most on the left said it was none of our business about his lies, but doing it in front of a Federal Jury you are sworn to tell the truth to made it very serious.
Funny…. I scrolled through the posts. Seems the people that used to defend the liar are no longer defending him. Seems like people are wandering off defending the topic of OBama Care and on to other issues.
I think we may have found common ground – Get rid of this thing. Get rid of the Liar.
So FFA, the New York Times, one of the most liberal defenders of this administration published a story that the President merely “misspoke” when he promised the American People that if they liked their coverage, they could keep it and if they liked the doctor, they could keep him. Misspeaking is the typical parsing of words that liberals do to keep from admitting it was all a lie. Somehow, misspeaking is more acceptable than lying.
There was also a cartoon out that had Obama with his famous utterance – If you like your plan, you can keep it, Period. The adjacent cartoon had him saying – All those whose name isn’t period are on their own.
Correct Sargeant. This law and the administration are in total denial at this point. I am sure we will still have some defenders on this blog, but not as many. You, I, FFA, Integrity, Always Amazed, Perplexed and many others have been predicting this for some time only to be criticized and insulted by the left. They say that the next mid terms will not be affected by this disaster. I tend to disagree. Democrats are very vulnerable to being shown the door.
It wasn’t me Libby. Anyone who says God Bless America gets my like. It may have been some of the godless leftists that didn’t like your post, ever think of that?
Hey Sargeant, I saw a picture on the net today and was a take off on the movie, Lion King. It was a picture of Obama with a blonde mane and lion’s ears and it was titled – Lyin King. Do you agree with me and FFA that this is all about lying to the American People dozens of times? The media seems to have awakened some from their 5 year slumber and many are dropping off the bandwagon including CNN.
I suppose you are right FFA. If we go back as far as 08 when he was running and then every time he opens his mouth in countless speeches since then, it would have to number in the hundreds by now on the lies. I have heard that there are 39 tapes available on this gigantic lie. When will enough be enough? Transparency, accountability, basic truth? Even Joe Trippi said Obama was trying to spin his way out of it and he is only painting himself further into the corner.
Jon Stewart will target whomever will get the most laughs and ratings. The reason he is against the PPACA is because he is for a single payer, universal health care system. I do not think Liberals fear losing Jon Stewart.
I have not seen the data that says Jon Stewart is for a single payer system. Please provide your source. Isn’t that what you say but never do?. Also, then I guess, using your post that all of the hate thrown on conservatives is “Just for Laughs”. Here is another “source” for you:
Looks like problems in communismville to me. I find it ironic and funny that when a lot of liberals get hit in the wallet, that they all of the sudden don’t want to be a liberal any longer. Or they only want to be a liberal on issues where someone else has to pay.
What data do you need to prove his position on health care? Do you even know the difference between data and opinion?
How often do you watch The Daily Show? He has mentioned multiple times during his many shows that he favors a single payer, universal health care.
I cannot access videos at work, so I will provide examples of him saying that later.
In addition, I am deeply offended that you have incorrectly implied that I do not provide sources of my information. I go out of my way to do that and use sources from all sides (CNN, FoxNews, Forbes, the Economist, governement and non-government sites for economic data).
I find it ironic that states with Republican/Conservative leanings who complain about our deficit actually contribute the most to the deficit.
People have previously pointed out that this data is 4 years old, but they cannot provide a source to more recent data. I am guessing that it may actually be worse for the “red” states.
Ron:
Ok I withdraw my comment that you never provide sources. I change that to say, the sources you provide only support your flawed liberal positions and in many cases are fodder. While amusing they circumvent the problems facing the economy and the US.
So answer the question I posed above- Who should pay for the website fiasco (which was down 12 hours at one time over the weekend)? The US taxpayers who paid for it the first time or the contractors or should we take it out of Obama’s Sebelious’s, Pelosi’s, Reid and Rangel’s pockets since they wanted it so bad in the first place? We could confiscate their paychecks until the retire then take some amount every month until it is paid off? What say you Ron?
November 4, 2013 at 11:48 am
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Sarge,
I agree that the taxpayers should not foot the bill for the website fiasco. Take it from the contractor, Secretary Sebelius, President Obama or anyone else who needs to be held accountable. Anything to help lower the deficit further.
I have a question for you. Should we withhold all federal funding to states that currently show a net deficit with the federal government until they pay us back?
November 4, 2013 at 11:53 am
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Sarge,
Please list all of my liberal positions. I have asked Agent to do this several times, but, as usual, he has failed. Maybe you can do a better job.
One other thing. How come I see very few sources cited by you and other Conservative/Republican posters? I always ask for a source to dispute mine, but very, very few are actually provided.
November 4, 2013 at 12:25 pm
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Ron – knee jerk reaction – YES. Not just the feds gone over board on spending…
November 4, 2013 at 9:56 am
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Come on Ron, take it for what its worth, funny stuff. That’s it.
He would be publicly executed in some countries for his remarks.
That kind of stuff reminds us all that we do live in the greatest country in the world regardless of what goes on in DC.
Well thee of little intelligence, Obama has had 6 years to bring oil from Irag, Afghanistan (a war he escalated and sent in more troop), Syria, Libya. Where is that oil?
November 4, 2013 at 11:37 am
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When has the Govt at any level turned a profit on Anything???? Ever???
November 4, 2013 at 12:57 pm
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Dear Sergeant Major, For the record, there were no oil profits from the Iraq war – just death and expenses under the Bush years. Yeah, I know, you were just being patriotic not to notice.
November 5, 2013 at 10:50 am
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FFA – the government is not in the business of turning a profit. That’s why it’s called the government and not a business.
November 5, 2013 at 11:32 am
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Libby – someone needs to tell my local city hall that. You would not believe what they are doing. But then again, Ill Politicians are above the law.
Didn’t the Feds turn a profit off of the AIG Bail Out? (No Sarcasm, I thought I remember seeing something in the IJ)
November 5, 2013 at 11:34 am
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And one unrelated note towards Libby-
Did you catch what Nick Foles (Philly B/U QB) did on Sunday?
7 td passes with a perfect passer rating. Even the great Peyton Manning never did that.
November 5, 2013 at 12:16 pm
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Yes, I did see that game. My husband had a bet going and that was one of our swing games. I ended up losing the bet, so an extra $50 is going into the savings account from me! Grrrrrrr…
November 5, 2013 at 12:31 pm
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Jeezz Libby – Cant swap a service for $50.00????? Of course, savings in this day and age is very important. No one knows for sure how long they will be working…
November 5, 2013 at 1:07 pm
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Why FFA! That would make me one of those names Perplexed and Amazed have been calling me all this time! No, I give it away for free! LOL!
November 2, 2013 at 2:54 pm
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Whats the diffi between beer nuts and deer nuts???
Bear Nuts cost $!.25 and deer nuts are always under a buck.
The UP is great, snowmobiles are everywhere and you can go from the Mackinac Bridge all the way deep into Wisconsin on a snowmobile if you want to. Great people, great food, and great fun.
Done there, did that. If only they would keep the groomers running through the week end, you would attract more visitors. Tues through Thurs best days to Smobile in Mich.
November 4, 2013 at 1:18 pm
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Actually Sarge, from where I live in IL, I can get to Lake Superior by S Mobile. Long hard ride, but do-able… Been to Lake Geneva from my house. Long – very long ride. I couldn’t imagine how long & sore I would be after riding all the way through WI and across the UP.
November 5, 2013 at 1:08 pm
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FFA – Do you know what two does do on a Saturday night?
Good one Libby.
Penguin drives into an auto repair shop. Mechanic says give me an hour or so to diagnose the problem. Penguin goes and grabs a bite to eat. Comes back to the shop and the mechanic says – Looks like you blew a seal. Penguins says No – Its just mayonnaise.
FFA said- Seems the people that used to defend the liar are no longer defending him. Seems like people are wandering off defending the topic of OBama Care and on to other issues.
Exactly, All of the sudden they say “All Politicians are liars! vote them all out” LOL, they go from- Conservative politicians are the problem and are heartless etc, to ALL of them are liars- LOL. Never do they say, these Democrat idiots, socialists, tax dependent slugs are the problem. Now all of the sudden it is all of them. That is until they can find a straw to grip and then go back on the attack. Right now they want a little love from the right by saying its’ all of us- What a bunch of Rubes
Sargeant, I have been criticized by the leftist bloggers on this site for upholding the Conservative Cause. It is amazing that when the government has not tried Consevatism, they think it is bad. What do they think they have now? Is it good for this country to be run by leftist liars? I have yet to find a Conservative Democrat to vote for. They are blind lemmings married to the Socialist cause. Back when Obamacare was due to be passed, the few Blue Dogs that were at least moderate got intimidated or bought off to vote for this travesty and they promptly lost in the mid terms. I also have an aversion to RINO’s since they are part of the problem, not the solution. Thank God I live in Texas where there are not many RINO’s. At that, I will vote for a Conservative challenger in a primary if the office holder has been in office for a while. We got rid of Kay Bailey Hutchison the last time and I am waiting for someone to challenge Cornyn in the Senate race. My Congressman is very Conservative so I don’t have a problem with him. Have you got someone in Michigan to stand up and be counted?
By the way, CNN this morning, (as well as Fox and NBC) said that it is projected that 12 to 15 million US Citizens will those their current healthcare plans only to be forced to TRY and sign up for Obamacare at a much HIGHER premium. Now that is a promise kept by the President!
He is trading 12 to 15 million people who had insurance that they liked and PAID FOR IT to give 15 million people who don’t have insurance and will get subsidized or free insurance- Great, hat will keep those premiums down and AFFORDABLE.
They also said that almost 100% of those that have signed up, as of Friday were mostly all Medicaid recipients. Where are all those 2008 and 2012 college students that thought they were going to get “free health insurance” when they were on college campuses recruiting Obama voters? They will now have to pay and unless they have work provided coverage with an exempt company, pay big.
Now would that be students with extra funds just lying around after tuition and books, housing and food. You really think students were part of the intended revenue stream for healthcare? Students? Really? Students are intended to be covered under their parent’s health care.
Perahps you are thinking of young adults. Out of college. Over 26. The women will sign. The men think they are going to live forever and never need to see a doctor. At any age. Probably be why the croak earlier.
As for the 12 to 15 million, if it didn’t meet minimum standards of coverage, what good was it anyway? Did you hear about the lady in LA who was on TV who was being cancelled and had to pay more under the ACA. A consumer reported contacts her to compare plans. Turns out her old insurance only allowed two offices visits a year. Two offices visits a year. Turns out she was pleased with her new ACA policy after it was explained to her that her new policy actually provided more usable coverage.
Well crackhead, yes they were a part of the overall healthcare plan in ACA. First they were allowed to stay on their parents plan until age 26. That costs money. Two it is a known fact that after the age of 26 and when they become a taxpayer they will have to buy Obamacare. So those “students”, if they graduated and got jobs are required to buy health insurance or pay the fine. Obama is counting on it and they will have to subsidize the elderly and the deadbeats. If they don’t it will probably implode quick.
Celtica said- As for the 12 to 15 million, if it didn’t meet minimum standards of coverage, what good was it anyway”
Who are you or anyone else to say whether it was good enough or not? If the person who bought it liked it who is anyone to say it was “substandard”. So you think that people past their child bearing years should pay for maternity care, pediatrics, Drug rehab, Viagra, birth control pills etc??
Fact is he lied about keeping your insurance, keeping your doctor and a cost reduction
“Two it is a known fact that after the age of 26 and when they become a taxpayer they will have to buy Obamacare.”
After age 26 and BEFORE they become a taxpayer? 8 years out of high school and 4 years out of college and they still aren’t tax paying citizens? What’s wrong with your kids?
My daughter is sitting there with her hand out. She finally gets a job 35 hours a week. Along comes Obama care and the employer cuts her hours down to under 25. Reason cited – They want to keep their doors open but can not afford Obama Care.
Article in IJ yesterday – Nice little package for a Chamber of Commerce Member (Forget which Muni) kicking 140 Groups to the curb because of – yes you guessed it – OBama Care.
November 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm
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Well, I guess she will as long as you let her. Me? I couldn’t wait to get out on my own. Left when I was 17 and been doing it on my own since then.
November 5, 2013 at 2:18 pm
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If it were not for the Grand Kids, she would have been out long ago. Looking like a custody fight is in the making after the crap that’s gone on the last few days….
She has just got so accustomed to the govt just giving her money. For three years, she was unemployed and still got a sizable tax refund. Tell me how someone don’t pay a nickel in taxes and get refunds? As a result of this Farm/Crop bill Bull Shit, they cut her food stamps from over $700 @ months down to $250 @ months. Guess who gets to pick up that slack.
November 5, 2013 at 7:59 pm
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My kids graduated college in 4 years, with honors. One is working in the finance group of a very large Automobile manufacturer, another owns her own business. All started paying taxes by the time they were 22 years of age. My son will finish his masters degree courtesy of his employer. So my kids never hung around until 26, went to work and are paying their share. They get healthcare from their employer but have friends who are going to get the shaft. According to the friends, they are not going to sign up, let them catch me and fine me.
November 4, 2013 at 1:39 pm
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This Individual Health problem is just the tip of the iceberg Sargeant. The one year reprieve for Group will be up next year and then employers plans will also be cancelled for not meeting the mandate. So much for keeping the coverage if you liked it. By the way, there are hundreds of suits on the birth control issue and a Federal Court just ruled in one case that it was unlawful to force a business to provide it if the owners had religious objections. I believe it was tied to Catholics in this case. I hope the Group mandate hits right in the middle of the mid terms. Democrats are running scared now and 1/3rd of the Senate is up for grabs.
You are right FFA. Kids have grown accustomed to having the parents give them everything and later the government, they have no incentive to get out and work for a living. I call them the failure to launch crowd. As long as they have their smart phone or tablet, get three squares, free housing and benefits, why would they work. I saw an article yesterday that 33.4% of working adults who have lost their job have no intention of going back to work since they know where the gravy train is. That is a sad testimony about the Entitlement mentality brought on by Progressive Government.
I call it the Generation of Entitlement. One of my summer interns thinks he is going to walk out of NIU and command $60,000… I told him to wear a cup around because he is going to get a kick in the .
Sargeant, I wonder how many of the 12-15 million are the Individual policies being cancelled with kids under age 26 on them. Sorry son, you have to find your own way now. The President said they should just “shop around”. Oops! No website to shop around on. Do a paper app and mail it in. Oops! It has to get in the line for someone to enter it on the website that doesn’t work. Good luck getting coverage before they tax you for not having it. By the way, I hope your Identity is not stolen on the unsecure website that wasn’t tested for security.
“President Barack Obama’s advisers deliberately crafted his signature healthcare law to fulfill his oft-repeated promise: those who like their insurance can keep it.”
The biggest lie IJ ever told, and there have been many. You cannot provide any proof of this, yet proof of the opposite is everywhere. But IJ asks, “Who ya gonna believe, me or your lyin’ eyes?”
Libtards all think alike – if they say ANYthing to critics, however ridiculous, they have won the argument.
As to the increased cost of health insurance for those whose current health insurance policies are being cancelled, it is simply more evidence that Obamacare is just a massive re-distribution of wealth – the very promise he made during his 2008 campaign that he has kept. He’ll lie to those who are paying the freight but keep his promises (and never lie) to those on the receiving end of his re-distribution programs – which comprise the bulk of his and his party’s voting base.
Continued journey along his path will lead to the virtual destruction of the middle class that he professes to protect (another lie). He and his party only want a middle class to fund the costs of their entitlement programs but not be able to realize their own dreams or advance themselves beyond that level. Meantime, their wealthy supporters (including the Hollywood types) will be kept around to fund election campaigns. It’s a nice, tight, perpetual, socialistic political system they are aiming for the that will consist of only one political party in control of everything and everybody. It is what is being taught in our colleges and universities these days despite the evidence all around the world that it just keeps pushing their envelope.
Here is another one from my Deer Hunting Pal in Northern WI –
A man kills a deer and takes it home to cook for dinner. Both he and his wife decide that they won’t tell the kids what kind of meat it is, but will give them a clue and let them guess. The kids were eager to know what the meat was on their plates, so they begged their dad for the clue. Well, he said, ‘It’s what mummy calls me sometimes’. The little girl screams to her brother ‘Don’t eat it, it’s an a-shole..
Good one FFA. How are your Bears going to fare tonight against the Packers? They had a bye to get ready. Hopefully, the new quarterback will do well and give them a chance.
My Cowgirls had another heart stopper Sunday. Romo almost gave the game away again by throwing an interception late in the game. Luckily they weren’t playing a good team in Minnesota who gave them another chance. Winning the game in the last 30 seconds is not the way to operate aganinst a 1-7 team. My prediction is intact on an 8-8 season but that still may be enough to win the division since it is the weakest in pro football.
Agent, your sitting on the top of the division. Take them as you can…
The Bears need to keep Rodgers off the field tonight. I think McCowen will be ok. Need Fortes wheels churning. Our Linebackers are suspect. Letting Nick Roach walk last off season proving to be a poor decision. Two starts down for the count and forcing two rookies into action. Bostic will be ok, but he is a rookie. The other guy, I don’t even know his name. I know this – Tillman needs to be on the field.
Bitter sweet for me as I have Eddie Lacy on my Fantasy Team and I need him scoring. Betting with my head. Cheering with my heart. With the injury to Sproals, I’m in trouble this week….
Yes, Dallas is on top of the weakest division in pro football. It looks like Philly and Washington have righted the ship some and even NY is playing better. Dallas squeaked by on the skin of their teeth against a 1-7 team on their home field. They should have lost that game like they did against Denver. You are right that the Bears should just churn it out on the Packers and keep Rogers off the field as much as possible or it could get ugly. Perhaps McCown can keep it simple and not throw any pick 6’s and give the game away. I will be rooting for them.
Hey FFA, Congrats to your Bears for winning in Green Bay last night. It was a very good game. No one wants to see a quarterback get hurt, but when Rogers went out with a shoulder injury, that took a lot of wind out of the Packers sails. It was backup against backup then and the Bears really took it to them. How about that last drive? 9 minutes used up on the clock, didn’t leave the Packers any time and playing aggressive defense instead of “prevent” like Dallas plays. I hope Dallas defensive coaches were watching so they could learn something about how to finish a game. McCown is an excellent quarterback and took care of the ball.
The story out on Rogers is that he has a broken collarbone. Life can be hazardous in the NFL. It wasn’t a dirty hit, but he came down just right on the shoulder and pop. Green Bay may do some struggling coming down the stretch which may help the Bears & Lions in the playoff chase.
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Same way Wooten ended Brets’ career. Wooten did that in his rookie year. He was a no name. Playing on the frozen field at Gopher Stadium the year the Dome came down.
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Well FFA, Cutler tried to come back, but he was clearly not the same and they lost. Dallas has about half the team out on injured reserve or for several weeks. They have used 17 different defensive lineman this year. That has to be some kind of record. I kind of doubt they will be 8-8 this year. In fact, there are probably no more than 4 or 5 teams that are much better than mediocre in the NFL. Parity and injuries to key players keep many teams down.
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FFA, too bad the Bears didn’t start McCown again. They might have won. It is also too bad that Drew Breese didn’t come down with the flu on Sunday night. I had a feeling he was going to have a big night against the now 5-5 Cowgirls. Actually, Spruels had a big night against them as well. Cannot be covered by linebackers, especially free agent linebackers. Lacy had a good game for the Pack, but he was all they had with no quarterback in attendance. The Eagles have resurged and I look for them to sail right on to win the NFC East under Foles. He is a good young quarterback and brings more to the table than Vick.
++Celtica says: Integrity: If integrity matters, then provide the Constitutional and Bible passages that allow you the right to waste natural resources. Otherwise, you are just ranting.++
If you can afford to buy them, you can do whatever you want with them. Who are you to tell me that I’m wasting something I’ve paid for?
Jesus told a parable about a man who promised a day’s wages to idle workers if they’d work in his field. He went back to the field several times and promised more workers the same thing. When everyone was paid a day’s wages, those who were there since morning complained that the ones that came to work later were paid the same thing. The man who hired them said, “Didn’t you get what I promised you? Why do you complain how I spend my money?”
So there’s your (paraphrased) biblical passage. Now you give us a biblical passage that allows you to tell me how to spend my money, what to eat, what to drive, how to procure health care, or that lends ANY support for socialism, let alone tyranny.
Dear Al, you may not aware of this, but the bible has no passages that address driving cars. Maybe it’s because there were no cars then. And maybe that’s while government should not be in the bible thumping business. Just a guess.
But as respects healthcare, I cite Luke 6.31 as a moral compass:
Do to others as you would have them do to you.
Celtica, Jesus said while dying on the cross – Father, forgive them because they know not what they do. I wish I could be more forgiving for the damage Progressives are doing to this country because it is abundantly clear that they know not what they do and the USA is suffering because of it.
I didn’t profess to be Libby. I will never forgive a Progressive Socialist for the damage they have done. You should be angry at them as well. I am sure you liked their parsing of words that your President simply just misspoke. This guy makes Slick Willy look like a choir boy.
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Celtica, do you where in the bible it states – Thou shall not lie?? Isn’t that one of the big 10??? Of course, to Non Christians, I guess that don’t really matter.
Yes Libby, the truth hurts, doesn’t it? By the way, it is not twisted to tell the truth, but it is twisted to lie about the biggest travesty ever visited upon the American People.
++Celtica says: Integrity: If integrity matters, then provide the Constitutional and Bible passages that allow you the right to waste natural resources. Otherwise, you are just ranting.++
We await your citations from the Constitution also. Please cite the abortion clause, the food stamp clause, the govt run health care clause, the Medicare and Medicaid clauses, the Social Security Clause…
Ron said- Your side needs to stop saying that the deficit and government spending are increasing when you have not provided one source that says they are and I have provided different sources that indicate they are both decreasing.
Ok Ron, here is two sources. Fact of the matter is, Obama has spent more money and accumulated more debt than any President in history. He has no intention of cutting anything and in fact wants the debt ceiling to be raised continually as he will when this rolls around again.
When Obama took over as President the deficit was just at 10 Trillion dollars. Additionally, the GDP was 14.384 Trillion. So the Debt to GDP ratio was 68%. Today Obama has (as of the end of the “Fiscal” year) Accumulated 16.738 Trillion in debt while the GDP has only grown to 16.661 trillion or 100% debt to GDP ratio. So Mr. Obama will, by the time he leaves office will have doubled the debt, lied to everyone in the country about numerous issues and put in place the worst healthcare solution in US history, all while blaming it on anyone he can think of (Insurance companies, Romney, substandard insurance plans, George Bush and the hale bop comet).
One is referencing the debt, which I have already admitted is a problem and increasing, and the other shows spending and the deficit ctually decreasing which supports my position.
Celtica said- “Dear Sergeant Major, For the record, there were no oil profits from the Iraq war –”
We know that you simpleton. The original idea was to trade oil for the cost of the war, not “oil profits from the Iraq war”. Are you normally this way or are you on crack?
So where is all the oil Obama brought home in his 6 years in office?
Actually Sargeant, he has been busy trying to make Solar Panels that don’t work, wind farms that don’t work, electric cars that don’t work or sell, making gas from algae, switchgrass or cow dung and these venture companies have mostly gone belly up after getting millions from the taxpayers. Meanwhile, he tells Brazil we will be their best customer after giving them money to drill offshore and I don’t think he ever approved Keystone even after the studies have all shown it is viable and should be done. This country has more oil and gas resources than the entire Middle East and we should be a net exporter of energy instead of buying oil from people that hate us.
Agent- Ha pretty good. You are correct. He was also played Ostrich and knew nothing about Benghazi, knew nothing about Fast and Furious, had nothing to do with the ACA website debacle, was out telling those people he lied to that their insurance was “substandard” and blamed the healthcare problems on t insurance companies and Republicans. Evidently he does not know that health insurance companies are one of the most strictly regulated industries (state regulated) in the US. So he essentially is also telling all the states that they approved “substandard” plans.
Who needs oil? He wants us to walk, hitchhike or pay 60K for a roller skate that is battery powered.
Yes Sargeant, If we had healthcare plans that were better like the Cadillac plans, those will be taxed heavily. The unions didn’t like that much since their hard won negotiated plans were far superior to anything Obamacare offered. Jimmy Hoffa, Jr has gone ballistic when he saw what was coming. The good news is that it might be the end of organized labor that we have known for the past 100 years or so. Why would the typical union member continue to pay dues for this load of crap?
Wrong again Libby. The US proven reserves are far greater than the entire Middle East, Venezuela and Canada. Of course, we are not allowed to develop it, but it is there. Read up on the Bakken basin in North Dakota, Wyoming & Montana sometime. That is just one area. We aren’t even talking about all the new discoveries awaiting production. Unfortunately, a lot of it is on government land and Obama has said no to that. Most drilling activity is done on state land and it is still going strong at that.
That’s right, Agent. We don’t want the whole country looking like your Texas wasteland. We want to preserve our natural resources, no exploit them.
You moan and groan about leaving our children with debt, but you don’t mind ruining the planet that will be left behind for them!
November 6, 2013 at 9:39 am
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Texas is not a wasteland Libby. Apparently you have never visited this state so you just pop off as usual. We take very good care of our natural resources. Are you against Pennsylvania exploring for more energy and doing fracking for natural gas? I think that is helping the economy there. Have you been smoking some of that grass stash you brought from Colorado?
November 6, 2013 at 10:32 am
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Oh, I’ve been to Texas alright, Agent. Many times. The only redeeming qualities are Austin and parts of San Antonio.
November 6, 2013 at 5:18 pm
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Agent – Libby may have been referring to your foot ball teams… (YUK YUK).
QB in NIU (Lynch) is making a case for the Heisman. Johnny Football had a very good day last week, but Lynch topped him. He had a Nick Foles kind of a day.
November 4, 2013 at 4:49 pm
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Dear Sergeant Major: It is a universal truth that one only resorts to insults when their argument is too weak for anything else.
How did that original idea work out for the U.S? It didn’t. How could it — the promise was made with which only produced death, bill and a HUGE deficit. I think Haliburton made a chunk of profits though.
Obama never promised any old from Iraq. Only to clean up Bush and Cheney’s messes.
Show some respect Celtica. Sargeant is retired military and has fought like I have so you could have the freedom to post your ugly rants. By the way, it is not S&M, just Sargeant Major. If I had my way, we would ship you off to Iraq or better still to Venezuela so you could be happy to live on $5 a day, beans and rice.
You have alot of nerve telling Celtica to show some respect when Sarge called her a simpleton and a crackhead. I don’t give a damn what he did in the service, he isn’t entitled to insult people and not be held accountable.
BTW – which war did YOU fight in?
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Celtica – Has he lived up to that promise? Last I heard, there are still boots on the ground over there.
If our boys weren’t in the Mid East, do you think more terrorists would have slipped through security and caused more deaths & destruction on the home land?
Sargeant merely pointed out the obvious Libby due to Celtica’s Progressive rant which had no basis in fact. Are you held accountable for your name calling rants? I was in the Viet Nam war and I think Sargeant was as well. That was Democratic all the way with Kennedy at first and LBJ that ramped it up. It took a Republican Nixon to get us out and what did we accomplish? We only lost 56,000 or so in that little action. You say that Bush was at fault for getting us into Iraq and yes we lost good men in that fight, but it pales in comparison to Vietnam where we had no business being.
Yes, I will be held accountable for my name calling. I do not deny it. Celtica, on the other hand, did not participate in name calling and did not deserve Sarge’s caustic insults.
Libby, You should live in south San Antonio in the barrios of the illegal aliens. All the Tacos, beans and rice you can eat and people that believe they have the same rights as real citizens. You should like Austin because they have a core of liberals there that believe like you do. Dallas/Ft Worth is where the action is and it has a very dynamic business atmosphere and is cosmopolitan.
FFA, I don’t mind Libby criticizing our NFL teams since the Cowboys and Texans both stink. She needs to lay off the state though since Texas leads the nation in jobs created by a large margin. We do have some good college teams like Baylor who is running through everyone and is undefeated. A&M is good, but they don’t have a defense so Manziel has to score 50 points to win. Texas is decent, but will lose to Baylor and that is the end of that story.
I said Obama was cleaning up the Iraq mess, nothing more, nothing less.
As for death and destruction here, we will ever know but sending our soliders over there to get killed as a strategy to avoid them coming over here is questionnable.
As for One promise, well, let’s just bring this full circle – he promised and delivered the Affordable Care Act.
He sold a bill of goods with a Lie. In my state, I need to have Ethics training. He should too. what’s good for the goose….
We still have an ongoing mess in the Mid East.
I agree – strategy to avoid them coming over here is questionable. With
the world hating us seems we are in a kill or be killed predicament. No right answer on that point. Bad or worse…
FFA said- “With the world hating us seems we are in a kill or be killed predicament.”
I think that is something that God and a few Marines could take care of- Hoorah!
Sargeant, I saw an article that Obama was bragging to his staff and minions that he is “Good at killing people”. What a narcissistic braggart to say such a thing.
If you read the quote in context, Agent, he was not bragging. But then when have you read anything in context?
November 12, 2013 at 1:55 pm
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FFA, Slick Willy came out and said Obama needs to keep his commitment about people keeping their Healthcare. People are burning the midnight oil at the White House trying to figure out what to do. Can there be an Executive Order coming out to order the Insurance Companies to re-instate and stop sending notices out? Could Congress pass an amendment to a passed and signed law at this point? I kind of doubt it at this point.
Celtica, He promised and delivered a POS law that is now imploding on him. By the way, there is nothing affordable about the ACA. Open your eyes to the truth for a change. We don’t like a President lying to us dozens of times and misrepresenting what he was installing. I realize you are a Cloward & Pivin convert, but we aren’t.
FFA, insurance licensing has always made it illegal to use bait and switch, rebating to get coverage written. You and I would be in big trouble for lying on an application for insurance, failing to remit premiums to companies etc. I have seen agents go to jail and lose their license for doing the kind of thing our government is doing to the people.
Cleaning up the Iraq mess? Obama doesn’t have any military background and he’s only been reducing our military since he got in office thanks for voter fraud and the Black Panthers. His loyalty to the Muslim Brotherhood should have been a wake up call to all of you who voted for a lying socialist whose first religion was Islam.
A lot more the Obama ever did. And the men GW appointed in his cabinet from Schwarzkopf had plenty of military experence. Obama seems to think that if we play nice with terrorist countries and apologize for the USA trying to defend herself that it all will be sunshine and rainbows. The man is a spineless liar. And now his damage controll campagine – What we said is if you like your healthcare plan blah, blah, blah – even the 20 year olds are starting to wise up and are calling him a liar! Good for them!
Wow, I can see you are well informed. Well, George H.W. Bush (41) postponed going to Yale to enlist and at the age of 18 was the youngest Naval Aviator in the Navy. He flew combat missions in the Pacific and was shot down during a bombing/strafing mission over ChiChiJima. He was picked up by a submarine floating in the ocean.
George Bush (43) was also an aviator in the Texas air National guard. That means he enlisted, took basic training and went to aviator training. He was commissioned as an aviator. He drilled and flew. He was not called to Vietnam. BTW his service records were released so all could see them log ago unlike Barry Sotero-Obama or whatever he calls himself at the moment.
Now let’s hear you talk about Obama’s service unless you count serving as a community organizer in Chicago as combat duty.
I did not refer to H.W. and I never claimed Obama served. He did as much combat duty as Dubya did. None.
November 6, 2013 at 1:36 pm
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Sarge, South Side of Chicago is not that far off a battle zone. I guess Detroit is along the same lines??
November 7, 2013 at 10:54 am
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Things heated up on South Side last night. Seven innocents shot with two being young children. Banger vs banger don’t make the news. Its just biz as usual.
I am finally able to quote. My HSA client is currently paying $364.00 @ month. Closest coverage match is going to ruin him $574 @ month.
Obamas broken promise is going to cost this one person $210 x 12 = $2520
x 17m = $42,480,000 more on a national basis. That’s affordable?????
Yes FFA, we know how Obamaspeak works now. He can’t even admit to what he said, he just tries to spin his way out of it. Poor Carney stands up there and tries to sell it and digs a deeper hole everytime he uses Obamaspeak.
This single male with two dependent’s is picking up Maternity Coverage. And another thing, OBama wont let him eat the first $5K any more, only $1500. Before you all jump on the better ded band wagon, He wants to eat the first $5000.
The other quotes I got done today— YIKES! I personally am not liking them.
The truth is Libby, Obama came out of no where and was a community organizer here in Chicago who then ran for senator and the idiots here voted for him and he won. With less then a years experience he became president. What were you people thinking? I whole heartedly agree with IM – people voted for him because he was mixed raced and looks completely black. Obama locked up all his records so no one could even really do a background check on him which is what Clinton wanted to do when Hillary was running against him. I’ve heard rumors that Obama threatened to harm their daughter if they persisted. And you know how rumors can go but being a Chicago thug and me born and raised in Chicago, I wouldn’t have put it past him.
You may have ALL of the opinions you want, but cannot create facts.
1. He was born in Hawaii and did not move to Chicago until after he graduated from college.
2. He was a State Senator in IL from 1997 – 2005
3. He was a U.S. Senator from 2005-2009
4. Before politics he was a civil rights lawyer and a taught Constitutional Law.
As long as Republicans keep believing that the Majority of Independents were voting for President Obama instead of against the Republican nominee, they will keep losing. Until the Republicans give us some worthy of our vote, moderate on social issues is a good start, they will keep losing.
It sounds like Republicans are only good at complaining and blaming. When they regain power, they had better be the fiscal conservatives they claim to be and fix the economy and bring about prosperity. Of course if that does not happen, they can always blame President Obama.
Ha, Ha, Ha Ron, you are so twisted with your facts. You say that Republicans are only good at the blame game. Your President leads the league at blaming Republicans for everything wrong in the country. How many times has he blamed Bush because he was having trouble on every issue? The simple fact is that he is a serial liar who will throw anyone under the bus to advance his agenda. You need to wake up and face the music and stop defending this Progressive Socialist that has broken the public trust.
It is not just me that thinks the Republicans need to revamp their strategy. Listen to a Republican who just won re-election in a blue state by a wide margin; “I think the party cares more about winning the argument than winning the election, and if you don’t win elections, you can’t govern.”, Governor Christie gets it, too bad you and the other far right Conservatives do not.
Ron, I don’t care much for a RINO from New Jersey that gives BO a big hug for aid. Charly Crist did the same thing in Florida and what happened to him? Marco Rubio buried him twice. Liberal Republicans are no different than Liberal Democrats. They spend our money unwisely and want us to pat them on the back.
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Ron, It is becoming more apparent by the day that all the Republicans have to do is run on the travesty of Obamacare and point out that their Democratic opponents voted for it and are responsible for it. By the time the mid terms get here, the Employer problem will be manifested and perhaps 70 or 80 million will have lost their Healthcare. I think the rails, tar and feathers will be ready to go.
November 5, 2013 at 8:40 pm
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What a laugher,So your source is Barack Obama.com. LOL
First, there are plenty of websites that state he has gone under different names, accepted scholarship monies by stating he was a foreign exchange student, went from being Obama to Sotero to Obama as a last name with no explanation as to what his real legal name is etc. That he lied on just about every application he ever filled out with respect to his education and employment. But I have not put those websites up as I do not know whether they are credible or not. Just like I do not believe that the Liar in charge is telling the truth on his own website.
Second, why would I think his website is not credible? Follow along:
* If you like your doctor, you can keep him- Lie
*If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it, PERIOD- Lie
* If you like your healthcare plan you will not need to do anything- (Washington post gave him 4 Pinocchio’s on that one)- lie
*The Affordable Healthcare Act will save Americans about $2,500.00 per year in cost- lie
* The reason these healthcare plans have gone up and cancelled is because of the insurance companies- Lie
* The healthcare plans being cancelled were “substandard” healthcare plans- Lie
* I knew nothing about Fast and Furious. That was started by George Bush- Lie
* This Benghazi attack was started by a man who put a video on You Tube- Lie
* Ok,if you did not believe that one how about ‘I did not know anything about Benghazi?- Lie
* As President I will close Quantanamo in 12 months- Lie
* I will have US troops out of Iraq in 16 Months- Lie
* I will not put further troops in harms way- Lie (Afghanistan, Syria)
* My stimulus bill plan of a trillion dollars will bring unemployment down below 7% in 18 months- Lie
* My healthcare plan will pay for itself- Lie
I could go on and on. Maybe you should shut it.
November 6, 2013 at 9:24 pm
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Sarge,
So, can you dispute the facts I presented?
Simple question.
November 11, 2013 at 10:02 am
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Sargeant, Before I forget it, Happy Veterans day. We Veterans have done our part to keep this country free. I was glad to see New Orleans honor the veterans before the Sunday Night NFL game.
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Yes Always. I think the Clinton’s and Obama have mended the fences and he agreed to back her in 16 if she played along with him. No wonder she repeated the lie on Benghazi and played dumb with what happened there and finally said – What possible difference does it make now? By the way, I hope Obama does campaign for her in 16. His credibility is so low now, she may want to rethink having him travel around promoting her.
I would not doubt that Billary is plotting her revenge already.
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Good one Sargeant. We ask the question – Do the President’s words matter? He is supposed to have a staff that vettes every speech he makes so he won’t make a big mistake. Where was his staff when they allowed him to lie over and over about Obamacare. I heard that the policy guys didn’t want him to say it and the political staff said he should. They thought this would just blow over when people started enrolling and would quickly be forgotten. Instead, the website is dysfunctional and people are getting cancelled all over the country. I don’t think it would have passed had it come out that people could lose their coverage under Obamacare. He kept saying if you like your plan, you can keep it. No one will take it away from you, PERIOD! This is an Impeachable Offense since it is getting in the American Peoples pocket book big time. If the Progressives think this will blow over, they have another think coming. By the way, I can add another one to your list. The ACA will not add one cent to the National Debt. Oops! I think it is up to $1.6 Trillion now and growing and when all these people now enrolling in Medicaid instead of Obamacare, it will escalate even further.
Ron, can you dispute Sargeant’s facts? Simple question. My guess is that you liked the “Apology” that Obama made to the American people. He wasn’t sorry that he lied and deceived, only that Americans have lost their health plan. It is plain for us to see that he wanted the Pool of Americans who bought Individual coverage to go into the Obamacare plan. First, you have to create a crisis and then they will be forced to apply because they are desperate for coverage. By the way, the story is out that Delaware was given $4million for their set up with Obamacare and they enrolled 4 new applicants in a month. Hmm! One million for each applicant. Not a good deal for the taxpayer, don’t you think?
On an unrelated note, the new Ventra Card (Commuter card for Chicago Transit) is experiencing technical Glitches…. City of Chicago extended the mandate for people to convert until its fixed.
Mr Obama – Are you paying attention to your pal Rahm????
News is bragging crime stats down considerably.
FFA, did you hear about the firm that got the biggest part of the website contract, the Canadian firm that had the gal pal of Michelle as the VP? They have won some more government contracts for their services to the tune of $7 million. This was let after the website issues were manifested. How stupid are these clowns or is it just Cronyism on steroids?
Anything they touch FFA. When you are incompetent, you get a government contract if you know the right people. They have better lobbyists than most who don’t get the contract.
FFA, on a related note to this blog subject, the Gallup poll just released approval ratings for the President. He is now the proud owner of a 39% approval rating for his job performance. It has fallen 7 points in just the last week. Ron likes to defend him and his policies, but it just ain’t making it with most Americans as hundreds of thousands of cancellations continue to be sent out and the huge lies he lied/misspoke to the folks.
Funny you should mention that, Agent. “In the first week of November in the fifth year of their presidencies, Obama and Bush have nearly identical approval numbers, according to the latest Gallup polling.
The Gallup daily tracking poll for November 5th 2013 puts Obama’s approval at 39 percent, with 53 percent disapproving of his job performance.
By comparison, polling for the first week of November in 2005 had Bush’s approval at 40 percent, with 55 percent disapproving of his job performance.”
I think there may be a tie for the worst President in U.S. history. LOL!
Libby, I never said GW’s poll numbers were high in comparison. Actually, he did a lot of things that were unpopular and disappointed me like giving in to the Socialist left on spending excesses, not doing enough about Fanny & Freddie which led to the financial meltdown. In his last 2 years, he became a RINO big time just like McCain & Graham. It is all about the Progressive agenda prevalent in DC. Having said that, Obama is sailing right on past him in the disapproval ratings. By the first of the year, it should be in the 20’s with all these spins and lies.
Well, I noticed you jumping up and down and clapping your hands with glee at Obama’s ratings, so I thought I’d mention your hero’s ratings were in the same boat at the the same point in time. You know, tit for tat. Just sayin….
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Wow. 461 comments and counting. I’m glad the regulars in this thread aren’t running the country. Oh, maybe they are! They sure sound like politicians to me.
A lot of sitting on hold time for me. You can tell we are not politicians by the fact that we are discussing the issues at hand. If we were politicians, we would just show up and collect our pay checks and screw the American people. I would bet if we all met face to face at the table, it would take some doing, but things would get done!
On FB today –
The arrogant SOB is at it again, this time exempting his signature legislation from fraud prosecutions. “The surprise decision, disclosed last week, exempts subsidized health insurance from a law that bans rebates, kickbacks, bribes and certain other financial arrangements in federal health programs, stripping law enforcement of a powerful tool used to fight fraud in other health care programs, like Medicare.” http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2013/11/05/unbelievable-obama-exempts-obamacare-from-fraud-prosecutions/
FFA, It is not as if Eric Holder will intervene and hold these jokers accountable for ripping off the American People with this scheme. There was a story yesterday about a guy’s personal info showing up on another guys application which shows how insecure the site is. Apparently the guy that got the info was good enough to call the man and tell him he got his personal info. The injured guy called HHS to complain and they finally got back with him and said they had taken it off. The hackers must really be licking their chops. ID theft will be rampant. Sebelius had no answers in front of the committee, but pledged to clean up the site and get it working. Kind of like the President says he will get to the bottom of Benghazi, IRS, Fast & Furious, NSA and then never does anything about it.
“Obama administration has ruled that neither the federal insurance exchange nor the federal subsidies paid to insurance companies on behalf of low-income people are “federal health care programs.”
This is NOT a federal health care program. Coverage is written and run by insurance companies NOT the government.
Libby, Is Medicaid a Federal Health Care program? That seems to be where a lot of people are landing through the state exchanges instead of Obamacare. No wonder Obama wanted the states to expand their Medicaid payments. After a couple of years when the subsidies dries up, it is a state problem and states will run big deficits on their budgets. This is going to bankrupt consumers, state governments and the Federal. Not enough in the till to handle it all.
So FFA, the President was in Dallas yesterday trying to spin some more. I quote: “Now this is like having a really good product in the store and the cash registers don’t work and there aren’t enough parking spots and nobody can get through the door. And so we are working overtime to get this fixed” I wonder what the odds that any company under that kind of mismanagement would ever have a really good product. Who is the store manager in this scenario?
He also said that no state needs this more than Texas. We really need this ill conceived, poorly managed and expensive Progressive Dream, right. Gov Perry said Texas is not the reason Obamacare is crumbling. Obamacare is the reason Obamacare is crumbling.
I am more concerned with the Fraud aspect. Will it be criminal to commit fraud in the exchange?
Yes agent, problems are wide spread. People need to be canned over this including Obama himself. It needs to be delayed. Maybe a new plan to roll it out. Enroll in Jan if you were born in Jan or something like that.
My Local Rep has drafted a bill to allow people to keep their existing coverage as long as they want. We will see how far that gets. He is calling something like the Keep the Promise Bill.
I was actually able to get three quotes run yesterday. Paying someone to sit on the site and strike when we can. I know its an expense, but once we get all the people enrolled, she will lose her job just like all the navigators and Ap Specialists fueling more unemployment.
Any new approval ratings out yet? Should be down to like 10% by now. Even my friends with African heritage are speaking out against him. People losing their jobs, their hours, cost of Health going up, some with College Grads cant find work. More and more difficult to keep the roof over their heads.
I fear this is going to get worse before it gets better. I don’t know why the hell they are not trying to remove this guy from office. You hire someone to do a job and they fuck it up even worse, you fire them. Ill is Employment at will. He resides in IL. Lets apply IL law to him. The damage he has done will stick with us way past my life span.
So, all you Bush bashers go ahead and bring up history again. I know, its all his fault that OBama is as incompetent as they get.
FFA, your local rep is not the only rep who is proposing keeping the coverage. Even Mary Landrieu of Louisiana who got the Louisiana purchase on Medicaid expansion is proposing the same thing. She is worried about her re-election and she should be. The last approval rating I saw on Obama was at 39%. Congress hovers at 12%. Obama is gaining ground on Congress and may be at their levels by 12-1. Did you hear about the meeting at the White House yesterday with 15 Democrat Senators with the President? They are definitely concerned that they will be thrown out and I hope they bring big pressure to change this around. What are the companies to do when the law says they have to cancel if there were changes to the coverage? The question is, will the companies re-instate or if they do, will it be at even a higher premium?
Of course it’s still criminal to commit fraud. That hasn’t changed. The only clarification was that Obamacare doesn’t fall within the definition used by Medicare/Medicaid, as those are government-run programs.
Wait until you see the numbers enrolling in Medicaid FFA. I think it will be astounding. I thought the liberal Oregon would be more on board with Obamacare and they haven’t enrolled one yet. Hmm! Medicaid seems the way to go with them.
Ok, I am going to admit it, I have no clue what is going on with this. How come people cannot keep their individual policies? Why does this not affect the company offered policies? I really do not understand anything about the ACA. I have read things and am not sure what sources are true and still don’t really get it. Can someone give a quick synopsis of it without any political bashing, just some quick facts regardless of which side you are on. I would greatly appreciate it! Have a great day all!
Hey Educate Me, Ask 10 people on this blog and you will get 10 different answers. The key to understand is that this President promised the American people several dozen times that if they liked the policy and doctor, they could keep them. Now, in the true Bait & Switch scheme, you can only keep your policy if there weren’t any changes since the law was passed. What American exists in this country that hasn’t had something changed on their policy in the last 3 years? A deductible change is most common when premiums have been skyrocketing each year. That change triggers the cancellation notice because the policy doesn’t conform to the one size fits all Obamacare coverage. If you didn’t want maternity, sorry, you have it. If you didn’t want Abortion coverage or birth control, sorry, you must have it. Those are the facts and why millions are losing their coverage. This will start over again for employers plans that don’t fit the mandates next year.
Thank you all for the explanations. I couldn’t understand why people’s policies were being cancelled, but that makes sense now that it has been explained…I didn’t say good sense, just makes sense! What a mess…all politics is just voting for the lesser of two evils really :) Thanks again and I hope everyone has a great day and stays healthy! P.S Sure am glad I am a P&C gal!!
Glad I could be of help EducateMe. I am also glad that I am 95% P&C. Even at that, I have a number of unhappy customers who now realize they have a problem with the policies they were happy with. Can’t keep it, can’t afford the alternative. It is the biggest mess ever passed by Congress. I hope all that voted for it are looking for new jobs come this time next year.
educate me, I don’t think any one knows what the heck is going on. Even Pelosi with her now famous – We have to pass it to see whats in it – don’t know. Sebelious don’t know. The only one that I think knows it all is Obama himself and he is only telling us what he perceives to be good for everyone.
I was able to quote 4 all day yesterday. Now, one of the yahoos want me to revise the quote. So, if you do quote, make sure you stress to the folks that you need to do the quote exactly as they want it.
Today – haven’t been able to quote at all. Tip of the day – quote directly through the carriers web site. Don’t mess with Health Care .gov. The carriers are doing their work around that piece of crap site doing their best to accommodate the mess OBama made of health care.
Hey FFA, did you know that Whitehouse.gov advertises rebates from Insurance Companies on Obamacare? In most state jurisdictions on insurance, rebating is expressly forbidden at penalty of loss of license. I guess that doesn’t apply to the Federal Government. They can say or do whatever they want, apparently.
FFA, Is it just me, or did we have one of the left bloggers on this site in a prior article quote proudly quote rates from the State of Oregon exchange. Curious, because Megan Kelley was interviewing a geek from Oregon last night and their exchange has never opened for business. Because it is as broken as the Fed site, they enrolled no one in Obamacare and have been trying to do it on paper apps. Wow, I wonder if they hired the same Canadian company to design their site.
Hey FFA, Need a laugh of the day? Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the head of the DNC confidently predicted that Obamacare would be a positive thing for Democrats to run on in 2014. Does she need a reality check or what? Democratic candidates from the Senate to the House are trying to find a strategy to run on and it isn’t healthcare. I would like to see some of their townhalls next summer as this tragedy plays out.
For those of you who care, Bloomberg just came out with an article by Megan McCardle titled – Hope is all Obamacare has left. Obviously, Megan did her research and presents the scenario of what this administration faces with millions of cancellations, a non functioning website and few enrollments. It is the perfect storm and the disaster many of us predicted for the past 3 years. Unfortunately, the President lied over and over to us that we wouldn’t lose our healthcare, PERIOD! No one can take our health insurance away from us, PERIOD! Now, millions of Americans are losing it and no remedy in sight.
FFA said- “Sarge, South Side of Chicago is not that far off a battle zone. I guess Detroit is along the same lines??”
FFA, yes if not worse, last week there was a gun battle on the east side. 3 dead and about 7 or more wounded at “Al’s Barba shop”. It seems they have been running an illegal gambling joint for years and one of the upstanding patrons felt he got cheated. He went home, got his machine gun and came back spraying lead all over the place (Think he purchased it legally?). Those inside pulled their own guns and the fight was on. Unfortunately, it seems none of them had ever learned to shoot very well and those shot was done by accident. Nothing like a lazy, sleazeball, government mooching goon holding a weapon cockeyed and waving it around like he has his di*k in his hand.
This week (today) started off with a bang. Multiple homicide. In Detroit the Democrats are losing voters everyday
Agent said- “Sargeant, Before I forget it, Happy Veterans day. We Veterans have done our part to keep this country free. I was glad to see New Orleans honor the veterans before the Sunday Night NFL game.”
Same to you agent and salute all who have served and died serving this great country. I often think of my Father and Grandfather both combat veterans. In fact I have family that have served all the way back to the civil war and have family on both sides of that war. I would like to have been at that family reunion!
I thought New Orleans did a great job. Have you seen the tribute from Green Bay couple years ago? That was awesome. What a great town and I have been in Lambeau Field.
Hi Sargeant. I did see that Green Bay tribute and it was great. The team doesn’t seem to be doing well without Rogers and they are playing the third team quarterback now after the back up went down. It does seem like the injuries are piling up on a lot of teams. I hope your Lions continue to do well and avoid key injuries down the stretch. I have written off my Cowgirls since half the team is injured and playing couch potatos will not make it in the NFL.
Yes, Green bay has a tough time without number 12 on the field and now Seneca Wallace (number 2 QB) is out. I think I heard they signed the guy that played last week and he was an undrafted free agent? I heard he had about 2 or maybe three days practice.
I hope the Lions do well as it is about time. However, they always seem to find a way to blow up in a big game or play offs. We will see what happens
Sargeant, I saw a pre-game show a couple of weeks ago and they said Calvin Johnson has a reach of over 8 feet when he jumps for a ball. That sure makes an inviting target, especially with his hands. He just leaps over the helpless DB’s and snatches it. I think the key with Detroit this year is their consistency. In the past, they would spring an upset and then fall back the next week. I hope they make the playoffs and make some noise this year.
I think they call this guy Megatron now since he is so far superior to the defensive backs and they have no chance if he gets those big mitts on the ball. Of course, Dallas couldn’t cover him if they had 4 guys around him at all times.
I also heard there is a provision in the law that that group plans are also in trouble. I know I received a cancellation notice that said our plan is gone. Also, I heard this morning that there is a clause in the law that says if 30% or more of employees do not participate in a company’s group plan there is a fine of $100 per day per employee not on the plan. The IRS still needs to make up the rules on that so it is delayed, but that would force companies to opt out completely and pay that fine instead. Moving closer to universal health care as was the original intent.
Many of these cancellations are because the insurance plans do not meet the new law — such as prescription drug coverage or “free” preventive care. Those companies sending cancellations could choose to offer these services — but chose to not offer it.
Sounds like a decision made by these insurers in a free marketplace.
Just received my new beneifts offer for 2014 today. My premium decreased 27% and no change to the deductible or out of pocket. This is a savings of $85.61 per month. This decrease includes health, dental, and vision. Preventative care is 100% covered, no pre-x, no lifetime max. First time I have EVER seen a decrease. I was expecting a 5% – 8% increase. I am going to take that premium I am saving and invest it in my daughters’ educations. I liked my plan, I get to keep it, and I get to pay less for it. I’d still like to see single payer or at least a public option, but from what I’m seeing personally, this is a step in the right direction.
I’m glad your plan is working out in your favor, however, from what we are seeing I believe you are in the minority.
Yeah right…
Are you located in New York State?
Sounds like you’re being the good little sheep the administration is hoping to lead off the cliff.
The made the law with an escape clause, knowing full well that health insurance policies almost always change in one fashion or another from year to year. A partial truth is still a LIE!
Why didn’t Obama make that little nuance clear when he was campaigning?
Anyone believing this is the insurance companies fault is dumber than I thought possible. Once again, the blame game continues.
The above reply is to Celtica, not you Planet. I’m glad to hear you health care is working out for you.
Oh, okay Integrity Matters. I thought you were speaking to me. I hope everyone’s healthcare works for them! And until it does, both sides need to work together to amend the issues with this law.
They need to scrap it all together. It was sold on LIES. Anyone with a brain knew this would not work.
Obama needs to be removed from office on Ethics violations. He lied to every man woman and child on this planet. He is the worst kind of liar. A terrible role model for todays your children.
FFA, you said he should be removed for Ethics violations for lying. You are being too kind. I call it High Crimes and Misdemeanors which are Impeachable Offenses. Slick Willy got Impeached for lying to a Federal Grand Jury about the intern under the desk. That lie is minor compared to what this guy has done. He has lied to 320 million people about something that affects them in a most personal way and harms their income and health. I hope the chorus grows and someone in the House will have the spine to draw up papers. We cannot forgive him for this travesty.
Huh? Cigna offered this coverage to me, not a government administration. Is Cigna leading me off a cliff? They used to be when they could deny for pre-x or lifetime max. Now, they are required to keep me as far away from the cliff as possible. And, I will take the responsibility of doing my part to seek and practice my free preventative care. I think Charlie Sheen might say, “winning!” (Okay, I just wanted to drop some Charlie Sheen on IJ).
Cap, are you self funded?
So Integrity, we now know that the law “mandated” coverages to be included in the health insurance policies of companies which automatically forced cancellation on the non-qualified policies that people actually liked. Since we know that the President unilaterally changed the law by giving business a one year delay and approving of waiver for Congressional staffers, why can’t he unilaterally say that the companies keep in place the coverage people wanted and not cancel any policy in force? He did say that if we like our plan, we can keep it, right? He did say that we can keep our doctor. I saw an interview with Dr. Siegel on Fox and he said that only 44% of doctors are going to be available in the NY area exchange network. I thought this was about increasing availability of healthcare and doctors. Something tells me that New Yorkers will be standing in long lines to see a doctor, don’t you? Rationed care at its finest.
This is old news, Agent. All of this was disclosed in 2010.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/10/29/media-surprised-by-obamacares-effect-on-insuran/196652
Libby, do you think that the low information voters ever saw this article telling them that their plan would be cancelled when Obamacare was rolling out? I think they were trusting their President to tell them the truth when he declared dozens of time that if they liked their plan, they could keep it Period!!!! He pulled the wool over most Americans eyes thinking if he said it enough, that would make it true. That is his campaign style, tell lie after lie and people like you will believe it.
Agent – We will never see eye to eye on anything, so I’m throwing in the towel.
Libby…What did you believe? Are you a low information voter?
Agent: That would mean that he would have the best interest of all the Americans in his heart. It would be a way to unite the country like he said would do when he campaigned in 2008. Oops! Another lie. There I go again thinking he wants to be fair to ALL Americans.
Actually Integrity, Libby is a true believer who switched to Democrat just in time to vote for her Messiah. She swallowed all the feel good lies hook, line and sinker. I am sure she is somewhat conflicted now that the agenda is not working out so well. I have been warning her for the past three years about this fiasco and it is like talking to a brick wall. She, Ron & Planet are hard nuts to crack and they criticize my Conservative beliefs, but as they say, the truth will set you free.
Agent…Unfortunately, in this case, the truth is going to be very costly by the time the blind sheep realize how screwed up things are.
Honestly, I cannot get over the amount of lies, half truths, scandals, poor decisions and total ineptness Obama and his administration has had since he has been in office. It turns my stomach that there is not total outrage and calls for his impeachment.
How stupid does he think we are that we would believe that he is not aware of the various things going on? And if that is true, which it is not, how stupid are the congressmen and women and senators that they would leave him in office?
It is a great way to unite the country. Lets impeach the liar. He is the worst kind of liar. In front of God – Country and the entire world he told his lie.
I just saw a news report that he was spying on the Pope during the Conclave.
This guy thinks he is greater the God. Time to give him the Criminal Treatment he deserves.
Agent – I do not criticize your Conservative beliefs. I have no problem with being fiscally conservative. I do criticize Wall Street fatcats and extreme right-wing religious fanatics that want no Government intervention except in our bedrooms, marriages, and vaginas.
I could care less about your vagina. I do care about killing innocent babies though. Your right to not bring a life into this world is made at the point of you having sex. That is the chance you take.
What about the baby’s right to live? That is not right wing religious extremism. That is life in a civil society. Don’t give me the rape, incest, life of the mother reasons. The majority of abortions are not due to those causes. It is big business.
Integrity, I understand your position, but it’s still the woman’s right to abort. Just because I chose to give birth doesn’t give me the right to tell someone else they can’t have an abortion. Keep the government out of it. Remember the “smaller government” you want?
I will agree that no one should abort after 20 weeks, because that is more than enough time to make a decision.
Yup. You got your grill all up in my Va-J-J IM. I want you and the government out of there!
I’m sorry, jw, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this hot topic.
No matter how it is justified, an abortion is killing a baby. Period.
And for the women I know that have had them, they are left wounded by the choice. Some men, too, are haunted by the decision that they “participated” in allowing it to happen.
I understand that the decision to keep the baby is difficult, too, depending upon family stigma, financial situation, etc.
It’s a very tough situation to be in.
Hey, Integrity, I can live with agreeing to disagree.
Well, when that young woman, saddled with the responsibility of raising a baby goes on welfare, food stamps, assisted housing, and government-paid welfare, I don’t expect to hear a peep out of you, IM.
jw: I’m good with that, too.
Libby: If the young mother decides to keep the baby for herself (giving it up for adoption is another option…there are thousands of couples looking to adopt babies), I am okay with her getting govt assistance to help get her an education and job and support to help the baby. BUT…I am not for the young mother to think that is all she has to do to have an income…have babies and get more govt assistance. There has to be a sense of responsibility and motivation to become independent from the govt, not dependent on the govt.
I have had/seen both sides of the above, so I know it can be done. It’s not easy, but that is the consequence of the choice that was initially made. The problem with many people today is that they do not want to take responsibility for the choices they make. FYI…this goes for the man or young man that participated. They need to be held accountable for support.
IM – I do not disagree with what you are saying. But, I don’t think you have the right to force someone into a life-altering event against their will. Just as women that have had abortions live with guilt and remorse, so do women that give their babies up for adoption.
Once the fetus becomes an actual person, the choice to abandon it is an impossible one to make.
Integrity, did you notice that he apologized not for lying, but for the people finding themselves in a bad situation? There is no way this man has the best interests of the American people in his heart. He is agenda driven and I am sure he is in shock that his Progressive dream is falling apart.
And the plans that require 50 years olds to buy maternity insurance make no sense. When you go to the car dealer do you think it’s fair to force you to buy options you don’t care for or will ever need? Of course this is what Socialism breeds. The Obama adminstration’s stated goal is to destroy the free marketplace and replace it with a single payer system. Because as we all know he prefers Communism over Capitalism.
Dave…Good point. I heard another good analogy yesterday which is similar. This is like the govt telling us our new SUV does not get enough gas mileage. even though we like it and are willing to pay for it, they are going to require everyone in the US to by a hybrid. Scary…but this might happen sooner than we think if we allow this to continue.
Integrity, how has that Green Energy plan worked out for us? We give billions to development companies and they go belly up in a year or so. I wonder if that huge Solyndra building is still gathering cobwebs. The initiatives include making gas from switchgrass, algae and cow dung at feed lots. Wow, I am impressed. Don’t get me started on the renewable ethanol fiasco which has only increased the price of corn products by taking a big bite out of production. I have a mechanic customer who says ethanol is very harmful to engines and will ruin injectors over time.
Integrity – so in other words, your freedom extends to wasting natural resources with driving a gas guzzling SUV – even at the expense of the environment and overall economics of supply and demand. Yeah, gotta nip that one in the bud.
So Celtica, to you, its ok for the President of the United States to stand in front of the entire world and lie? Spend $634M for a foreign company can give us crap? Make people spend 2x more on their health insurance for reduced benefits?
Obama “lying” about the ACA only affects Americans.
Bush “lying” about the reason to send troops and Allied troops to Iraq is lying to the world.
Big diff.
Yes, Celtice, My freedom absolutely extends to what car I drive, what cereal I eat and how big of a fricking Coke I want to buy!
How much of the natural resources is Obama and Michelle wasting whrn they take two planes to go on vacation!!!
How much of my hard earned money is being wasted by this govt on their pet projects or ridiculous “scientific studies”? I guess we really needed to know how a shrimp reacts after walking on a treadmill?
You bleeding heart progressives are ridiculously stupid!
Celtica, I was taught that two wrongs don’t make it right. It doesn’t matter what Bush did. That’s over. (I’m using Hillary’s words now!!)
Shouldn’t Obama be a role model for today’s children? Or, maybe, that is what he is trying to do…be a bad role model.
Integrity: Your freedom to buy a gas guzzing SUV does not extend to the freedom to waste natural resources. Period.
Now, go and try and win an election. Until you do (and I don’t think you will with your far right agenda), I will just sit back and take all your ranting and raving in stride.
Really, Celtica? Where in the constitution does it say that I am not allowed to waste natural resources?
I have an unalienable right, granted by God, to use the resources that he created. I am to use those resources responsibly, which I do.
My ranting and raving, as you call it, is because I care about my country, the constitution and the freedoms that it was designed for. Those freedoms include being free from an oppressive govt.
You may think it is okay to be led to slaughter, but I don’t.
Integrity —
Please reference where in the Constitution (or even bible) that grants the right to waste natural resources.
Your supposed right to waste resources impinges on my right to obtain natural resources at a lower price by conservation in a supply and demand environment.
Now, you have complete freedom to make yourself as miserable as you want. Me? I’ll stick with the freedom of winning elections to effect the changes I want to see made.
Celtica – trying to legislate or implore others to not waste natural resources is no better than the conservatives anti gay or women’s rights.
Yes, I prefer to save the planet (it is the only known source of chocolate), but even I drive a gas guzzling SUV. In fact we have 2 SUVs in my family. It is up to each individual how they wish to conserve or not conserve. I don’t want someone telling me what I can and can’t do.
Celtica, the biggest diff is that the OBama Lies are here now and today. His lies are costing you and I and the rest of the tax payers upwards of $634M. That don’t include the money my HSA people are going to be out in higher premiums. Bush is long gone.
Celtica,
First of all, I said I use the natural resources responsibly (but, there is nothing in the Constitution that forbids me to waste them, if I want to). It’s kind of like GL coverage, if it’s not excluded, it covered.
Second, your statement implies that might rights should not impede on your rights. If that is the case, shouldn’t that apply to all situations like pornography (that smut is slowly infiltrating all parts of every day life), or abortion (shouldn’t the unborn baby have rights or maybe the father who might want the kid) or any other situation where one group is adversely affected by the rights of another group.
reality is that we all have to “put up” with some things we do not like in the spirit of compromise. And I am okay with that.
The problem is that this administration and group of democrats has the attitude of we are right and you must do things our way. If not, your a fanatic. People complained about Boehner during the shutdown because he would not bring issues up to vote. That is EXACTLY what Reid has done in the Senate, but worse. he won’t even entertain the thought of something else before there is even a chance to vote.
Hypocrites!
JW — drive as many SUV’s as you want — even at the same time if you so desire; However, since those are subject to minimum mileage standards, even under the Bush administration, you can’t buy one that doesn’t meet that requirement.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2006/03/29/higher-mileage-standards-for-suvs.htm
Integrity:
If integrity matters, then provide the Constitutional and Bible passages that allow you the right to waste natural resources.
Otherwise, you are just ranting.
I can if it is a used car. The mfgs just don’t make them that way.
You have a one track mind, Celtica. I have the same rights as you do to use the natural resources that we are given. In Genesis, God grants man dominion over all the animals and trees. One might consider these natural resources. The bible also speaks of doing everything in moderation, meaning not wasting. But there is no commandment against it. Wasting is simply not wise.
Waste is a matter of interpretation. With regards to natural resources, should we allow the govt to come into our houses and make sure we have the lights off in each room or that we have the heat turned down in each room not being used?
In my opinion, I am wasting a lot less fuel than Michelle Obama does when she needs to jet to some destination separately from her husband. Why do you not have a problem with that?
Unfortunately, I realize I have wasted my time trying to educate you on matters that affect our freedom. You obviously are okay with the lies that are being told, just as long as they coincide with what you want or believe. Sooner or later, some of your freedoms will be taken away, too.
A house divided cannot stand. This president has done more to divide this country than anyone in the past 150 years. Which, by the way, is not what he campaigned to do in 2008. Another lie.
In 3 more years Obama will be gone. Guess all will be right with the world then. No blame after the term ends! Sweet!!
Integrity:
I wouldn’t call your efforts a waste of time. For instance, I learned that you pretty much make it up as you go along — and that you cannot back up outlandish statements (really, the right to waste resources is in the Constitution and bible – ?). You might talk the integrity matters talk, but do you do not walk the integrity matters walk.
Now, start winning elections if you want change.
Well, Celtica, my SUVs are old (1990s old). I don’t buy a new car every few years. I can safely say I am not getting the minimum milage.
“Under the new rule, mileage targets for these vehicles will increase from 21.6 to 24 miles per gallon”
ROFL
I’m just happy I get 15mpg on the highway. 24? HA!
JW: I think it’s safe to say 1990 SUV’s probably didn’t have minimum mileage standards — and that they won’t be around much longer either. Until, enjoy!
“The problem is that this administration and group of democrats has the attitude of we are right and you must do things our way. If not, your a fanatic. People complained about Boehner during the shutdown because he would not bring issues up to vote. That is EXACTLY what Reid has done in the Senate, but worse. he won’t even entertain the thought of something else before there is even a chance to vote.
Hypocrites!”
How am I a hypocrite when I say we need to vote every single one of them out of Congress regardless of party? They all suck and should be fired.
I don’t disagree with any of the issues/statements you have posted here except I want the government out of my bedroom, marriage, and vagina. I don’t think that’s too much to ask. If you don’t want an abortion, don’t have one. If someone else does, it’s none of your, or anyone elses, business. It’s called freedom of choice. The operative word is FREEDOM, of which you seem very interested in preserving unless it’s a freedom you don’t agree with. Now who’s the hypocrite?
Libby,
Let’s see…I want the freedom to choose my own health care. You want the freedom to kill your baby. Which one seems more civil?
You can do whatever you want in your bedroom. Just don’t try to make me like it. If its not my business, then don’t put it out in the public to make it my business.
Integrity — you just fell off the deep end with that analogy. You really need to get a grip as you do not possess exclusive rights to claim the the Constitution or the Bible as your own.
IM – I don’t think your right to choose your own healthcare is any more important than my right to choose my reproductive options. Freedom is freedom. Not just what YOU say it is.
Celtica/Libby: I did not write the bible or the constitution. However, they are there for everyone to follow. One is God’s law and Holy Word and the other is the law of this country.
By the way, Exodus 20:13 – “You shall not commit murder” (NIV), Deuteronomy 30:19 – This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.
Libby: Do wantever you want with your reproductive organs. Have a hysterectomy if you don’t want kids. It’s your choice. But when your choice affects other human beings (especially when it ends their life), I think that is wrong.
Celtica: I am off the deep end??!!?? You are actually defending the right to kill a baby is equal to choosing healthcare? I will sincerely pray that your eyes are opened and heart softened to accept the truth.
NO ONE is perfect, but we all should strive to follow God’s law. Our constitution was written to protect the people from an oppressive govt. Our govt is supposed to be a representative govt, meaning those elected are supposed to do the will of the people and within the confines of the law. This is why we are suppose to have three equal branches of govt so that one branch does not have more power. It is a check and balance approach.
Unfortunately, the will of the majority is not being represented and this administration has proven to be lawless and does whatever it feels like. It’s outrageous!
IM:
I see you contiinue with Tales from the Deep: I said you do not own exclusive rights to the Constitution or the Bible. You equate that with supporting abortion. You seriously need to get a grip.
IM – “But when your choice affects other human beings (especially when it ends their life), I think that is wrong.”
That’s exactly where we disagree. That fetus is not a human being while it can not survive outside the womb. It is a fetus. Why do you right wingers condone killing inmates, but you are against the removal of an embryo?
As far as GOD goes. You worship yours and I’ll worship mine. That’s what freedom of religion is all about. Maybe you need to study the Constitution a little more.
Wow…it is really hard to keep you focused, Celtica. The topic was freedoms. I simply made the comment that the freedom to choose your own healthcare (and fighting for it) is a lot more civil than fighting for your freedom to kill your own baby.
I never claimed exclusive rights to the constitution or bible. You accused me of it. You asked earlier for bible verses for a different issue. I thought I would provide them pre-emptively for this one.
Libby,
The fetus is a baby human being. If it was not, why does the govt charge people with 2 counts of murder when someone kills a pregnant women.
You left wingers use the term fetus to help desensitize what is really taking place. Of course the baby can’t survive outside the womb in the early stages of pregnancy. But they can as early as 22 weeks. Whats your position/excuse for partial birth abortion?
With regards to killing inmates, it is a big difference in killing an innocent baby compared to a guilty murderer that is a detriment to society. I can’t believe you used this analogy as an agrument or justification.
As far as worshipping God, I have no problem with you worshipping anything you want. The constitution is very clear that we have freedom of religion. Just don’t try to limit me from exercising my right and I won’t stop you from exercising your right.
IM – I wouldn’t dream of encroaching on your choice of religion or right to believe whatever you want to. Just don’t try to force-feed it down my throat.
And that goes for your opinion of the definition of fetus. While you think it a human being, I don’t agree along with the scientific community. Abortion is legal in this country and as long as I have a say, it will stay that way.
I think it humorous you try to justify murder of someone you have deemed worthy of execution, but condemn another for making what you believe is the same exact choice. That’s the epitomy of hypocrisy.
Oh, and I don’t agree with partial birth abortions. At 22 weeks the fetus becomes viable and should not be aborted. At that point I would support adoption.
Integrity, we are about as close to a taxpayer revolt as I have seen in my adult lifetime. As bad as some of our Presidents have been in the past, they cannot hold a candle to this one. Back in the Watergate days, that was just a minor blip and no one got killed like Benghazi, but the Democrat Sam Ervin was drawing up the Impeachment papers when Nixon was hiding the truth and deceiving them. When does the level of deception and outright lying apply to this President? Of course, we will be called racists for wanting Impeachment and that is the big difference between them.
I agree, Agent. The only difference is that I want to get rid of Reid, Pelosi, McConnell and everyone else that is “on the take” or is complicit in any of these cover ups. That goes for Holder, too!
That’s not being racist, it is being consistent. I am tired of their boldface lawlessness.
You are right Integrity. Impeachment papers should be drawn up real soon. Resignations from several department heads are in order starting with Sebelius, the Medicare head and clean out all those Czars hiding out in the basement who have been directing this disaster. Then, in 14, change out the House & the one third of the Senate and replace them with people who look out for the folks, not just line their pockets with Lobbyist money. When have we had such poor representation in the past 50 years?
Agent,
They are called Articles of Impeachment, not Impeachment papers. Reminds me of when you referred to the PPACA as a bill instead of a law and wouldn’t admit you were wrong when your mistake was pointeed out to you by Captain Planet. If you are going to preach about the Constitution, at least know about what you are talking. Will you admit your mistake this time?
LOL! Good luck with that one, Ron!
So Inegrity, I was out of town yesterday and just got back to catch up on the ongoing debate. You had a nice one going with Celtica & Libby. You have to understand that they don’t think like we do and murder of innocents is no big deal. Libby does stop at 22 weeks on abortion, but anything up to that is just an office visit. In Texas, we passed a law for 20 weeks and also made sure the abortion clinics were staffed with licensed physicians. We are still going to have a fight since the pro-abortion crowd found a Federal Judge to throw a monkey wrench into it
Agent – I know you are a dinosauer and could care less about learning the proper terminology for things given your age and old school mentality, but I must point out there is no such thing as a pro-abortion crowd. We are pro-choice.
I know you will not have enough respect or smarts to actually use the proper phrase, but I at least had to try.
Agent? Racist?
No? Hyprocrite? Big time.
Sour grapes? Ditto.
If you want to change things in Washington, win an election.
To win an election, we have to stop the liberal voter fraud.
Why are the Dems afraid of requiring ID at the polls? Everyone can get a govt issued ID card.
Integrity —
So you DO want government involvement…
:-)
” the insurance plans do not meet the new law” “free market place” in the same comment.
You are as dumb as a box of rocks!
Celtica,
From my experience my company exceeded the plan. Unfortunately, they have used ObamaCare to deny many coverages because they are over the minimum requirement. Sad thing is, I work for my insurance company and I’m ticked by this whole thing. I’m sick of getting the EOB denying a blood test stating, “Not covered due to the Affordable Care Act” when it was covered before. Even if ObamaCare gets put to rest, companies will now ride this minimal requirement into the future. By the way, we aren’t seeing rate decreases like Captain Planet is, but we are seeing less coverage. Thanks Obama!
I do hope your kidding. A free market place decision? Do you even understand what that means? It means no regulation… The ACA law (regulation) removes any possible semblance of a free market place from existing probably ever again in the healthcare industry in the United States.
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, lies, lies, lies.
Still waiting for that Iraq oil to pay off the war debt.
It was never about oil. Still waiting for you to get a brain that thinks for itself.
If it were about oil Integrity, how come Iraq has never repaid this country in oil for its treasure expended to free them from the evil dictator? Donald Trump said he would have demanded repayment in oil had he been President.
Iraqi Oil:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/marathon-oil-announces-mirawa-discovery-123617142.html
SERIOUSLY??? that’s your response? You bring up a war which the majority of YOUR party supported based on evidence from the INTERNATIONAL intelligence community in order to try and deflect from the failures of the CURRENT administration? This was ALL Obama.
Instead of putting more resources into fixing the economy (other than a huge stimulus and a bailout of GM where we just took a major bath), he decides that it’s time to do a major overhaul on the health care system, and then refuses to accept any feedback from Republicans. That’s OK, Bush Lied about Iraq!
Sure, he talked up a big game about Syria, but then what happened? How is that destruction of chemical weapons going? Oh wait…Russia took the lead on that one. Well, Bush invaded Iraq!
What about the NSA wiretapping? Hey, that was all Bush too! Bush knew everything about it, right? Obama knew NOTHING!
Want me to go on? I can.
It’s time to accept that Oz the Great and Powerful is really just an average little man hiding behind a curtain, pulling levers and making noises to make you think he’s more than he is.
Dear Ralph: Bush and Cheney sold a bill of worthless junk to Congress and the U.S. public regarding Iraq. Yes, they lied and they knew it at the time. And that was a response to Alwasy Amazed who was shocked (shocked, I tell you) about beatlejuice and lies.
Rememmber, if you will, that it would be been unpatriotic not to support it at the time in our history.
So save your false outrage for something else.
So then, that’s your excuse for democrats? The unpatriotic pressure? You do realize the reason it was unpatriotic at the time was just how many people Saddam killed.
Bush and Cheney did not lie.
And the above comment still stands:
Bush W and Cheney presented international intelligence regarding Iraq.
You can disagree with why we went to Iraq, and whether we should have gone to Iraq, but there were no lies about it, other than the democrats suddenly saying they were against the war and were tricked.
Al Gore in the 92 election blasted HW for not taking military action against Iraq.
Clinton stated that Saddam had used wmd’s in the past, and would do so again, then proceeded to bomb the hell out of Iraq.
I think it’s pretty clear our issues with Iraq had little to nothing to do with Cheney and Bush W.
Keep lying Celtica. It’s from the Left’s playbook. State a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Let me set your stupid mind and lying mouth straight.
Iraq – All the intelligence sources US, French, German, Israeli, etc. reported to all their heads of states and each other. The intelligence was wrong (unless the weapons of mass destruction ended up in Syria – do you know how Syria got them?) but was accepted by all. It was accepted by Senators John Kerry and Hillary Clinton. Can your tiny twisted mind comprehend this FACT! There was no lying to the American people. Bad intelligence (unless those weapons of mass destruction ended up in Syria) but no lies.
Benghazi – Within hours of the attack, intelligence pointed to it being an organized, pre-planned AlQiada attack. And the next day and for weeks on end Obama and his entire administration said it was caused by a video, most famously by the liar or idiot Susan Rice – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxf77xQ_NLU&list=FL9lJuRBjktDPY_TeM76IBSw&index=26
That Celtica is an example of a lie. Got that? Can your tiny lying mind comprehend it?
Ann Coulter was right. Liberalism is an illness and you are as sick as they come. You are a bold faced liar much like your leader Obama. You make me sick. Stop your lying.
Bob/Dave: Well said! In the words of Tom Petty, “they believe what they want to believe”.
Bob — let’s see — Bin Laden bombs the U.S. and kills 3,000+ people — and yet Bush and Cheney let him walk.
Meanwhile, not having the least interest in Bin Laden, Bush and Cheney gin up a case to go after Saddam Hussein in Iraq and sells it lock, stock and barrel to the U.S. public. Makes total freaking sense. Really it does.
Now who’s drinking the Kool-aid?
Celtica…If Clinton would have taken out Bin Laden when he had the chance, 9/11 might not have happened.
Irag was the most logical target based on the intel at the time. Al Qaida was there strenghtening their resources and the WMDs were, too. We know Saddam had them but he got rid of them (or buried them) before we had a chance to find them.
Why would they have caches of personal protective gear designed for WMD protection if they did not have WMDs to use on their own people?
Obama wants to go into Syria for the same reason and thats okay with you, right? Killing 100,000 plus is okay as long as they don’t use chemicals. But if chemicals are used, that is a red line to cross.
Celitica,
You’re quite a poor researched person when it comes to Iraq.
First of all: Saddam killed over 100,000. 3,000, 100,000, which takes priority?
Second of all: Bush W didn’t let Bin Laden off the hook, the axis of evil was a group that harbored, and allowed for Bin laden to escape, and Bush W made quite a clear message that if you are in that Axis of evil, supporting Al quieda, that you were the enemy of the U.S. Do you not remember how liberals said that was bad behavior? This is a selling point on Obama, he says that he won’t label countries terrorists just because they sell weapons to or harbor terrorists, as long as they don’t attack us direct. He calls it diplomacy, and maybe there is merit to it maybe there isn’t.
At the time we invaded Iraq, we simply asked Saddam to let us inspect his country for Bin Laden, as at the time BIN LADEN WAS THERE. That is not a debatable fact. Bush W basically immediately launched a force there to take care of Osama Bin Laden, but he also of course had other reasons for Iraq, “Operation Iraqi Freedom”.
If a democrat were in office saying this type of stuff, you would have listened, like you did to Obama on Benghazi and Libya. You will note I have never said anything about Obama with regards to Libya. That’s because there is nothing to say. And there’s nothing to say on Iraq either. When two parties agree on something for 20 years plus, it means that it is probably a problem.
Celtica and Libby are cast from the same obama worshipping mold. Libby was calling the Tea Party terrorists recently! That was original mainstream media crap. The Tea Party doesn’t go around killing and slaughtering people like terrorist do, so that is the stupidest reference ever. She and Libby are so afraid of “religion” and someone forcing it on them. I don’t force religion on anyone, but slaughtering 50,000,000 babies since roe v. wade is not something that can be ignored. I’m sick to death of Libby’s reference to her vagina. Does she do that because that’s what she thinks of all the time? No one else cares about her reproductive organs. Most objectors to abortion only want to defend the unborn from slaughter. Have all the sex you want, but don’t conceive a baby then kill the little one because of the inconvenience it’s caused you and your life style. Don’t go on and on about having to take care of all the kids that are born…that’s not why you want abortion. You want abortion so you can copulate without the consequences…if people were moral that would not be a problem. the problem is that you want to live your lives and not answer to anyone but yourself. You don’t really care about what allowing babies to be born instead of killed would cost the welfare state. You’re only concerned about living your life without answering to GOD.
They are okay with losing freedom as long as the progressive muslim that they worship tells them that it is okay. I haven’t seen either of them acknowledge the blatant lies that spewed from his mouth about his health care rip off for the past 5 years. They simply cannot call him on that. Is it because he’s black? Can he not be called the liar he is just because of the color of his skin? Are you so afraid of being called a racist that you voted for this worm because he was black? Lots of people did. They didn’t listen to what he was saying and didn’t investigate who he was or where he was from because he was BLACK and for some reason the US needed a black presidentl. Call me racist all you want. It wouldn’t matter to me if we had a green president as long as he was a good leader.
Sorry for the “rant” but I’m so sick of Captain, Libby and Celtica that I want to vomit. The women are the worst.
I understand, Perplexed. I feel the same way. Obama could have really united this country had he chosen to be more for the people instead of forcing his liberal agenda.
At some point, he and his administration will go down in history as the most corrupt in US history.
I cannot imagine they things that are going on that we have not found out about yet.
“You want abortion so you can copulate without the consequences…if people were moral that would not be a problem…You’re only concerned about living your life without answering to GOD.”
Seriously P, “copulate without consequences”??? At least try to get into the 20th century if you can’t quite make it to the 21st.
As for morals, I don’t need or want you or the government dictating my “morals”. You want government out of your health care, well I want them out of the morals business. That belongs in church, not government.
And I will have no problem answering to MY God. I am sure he is nothing like the God you worship. One that is punitive and punishing.
And remember, freedom OF religion also means freedom FROM religion. Especially yours.
So Libby, I guess you are okay with pedophilia and polygamy and beastiality. Those are okay with other peoples morals. They were born that way. Where does it end? Who gets to decide where the line should be drawn?
By the way, the God of all creation is loving, full of grace and mercy. But, He is also a God who demands justice. That is why he gave His Son, Jesus Christ, to pay the ransom for our sins, so that we could have etenral life with Him. But it is our choice to believe that Jesus paid this price and was resurrected as proof. If you choose not to believe, God will allow you to be held accountable for your sins. That is justice, not punitive and punishing.
FYI, I share this not to proselytise, but to correct any misconception anyone might have about God or Jesus Christ.
Perplexed – leave God out of the conversation. Freedom of religion is in the constitution; therefore, you may not pick which religion I follow. End of discussion.
Integrity, in addition to what I’ve said to Perplexed, I will admonish you for thinking that anyone here is “okay with pedophilia and polygamy and beastiality”. you cannot equate those concepts with freedom from religion. Other than polygamy, which WAS allowed by the Mormons, that is. The only line that needs to be drawn is the one to separate consent from doing harm/non-consent. I do understand where you’re coming from, you follow a strict adherence to the bible. That is your right. If you lived in an Islamic country, you probably wouldn’t have that right, but in America, you do. You also have to right to be Mormon, Buddist, Islamic or Native Americans who have their own beliefs.
I forgot Judaism The people of God, who don’t believe Jesus is the son of God. Now tell me that’s not confusing. Just remember, we have choices to go with our free will.
I was waiting for the pedophilia and beastiality issues to raise their ugly head. And the question is so ridiculous as to not even warrant a response.
Libby, You raised the issue regarding morals and the govt dictating what morals you should follow. I raised these other areas because they are not immoral for other people.
My point, which you and Perplexed missed, was that everyone has different morals, especially when it comes to the bedroom. Libby does not want me or the govt telling her what morals she needs to follow. I agree, except that the line has to be drawn somewhere or society becomes completely depraved.
Libby’s line of morals is obviously further left then my line of morals. It would appear that she is okay for wanting to not impede on someone elses morals that are further left then hers. In the spirit of progressive thinking, is that fair?
I think the line has to be drawn sooner because it is a slippery slope once society “accepts” certain tyoe of behavior. Just look at how much more children are exposed to today compared to 20-25 years ago.
Sorry, I referenced perplexed and it should have been jw.
IM – Pedophilia and beastiality are against the law.
What you gonna do if Billary gets elected???
To those of you that easily accept the lies – Why is it ok to lie? How can you believe anything this guys says?
Per the Italian media, he was spying on the pope. He has no boundaries.
I find it less then a coincidence I have been out spoken against this guy and I am being audited for two years. I have provided the documentation they have requested. I have been told by two accountants and one tax attorney I have nothing to worry about. But, they keep dragging it out…
He wants to blame the Carriers on the non renewals. At what point do the lies turn into reality in a liars head???
Libby says:
Pedophilia and beastiality are against the law
Libby: so was homosexuality and adultery, at one time. The people “born that way” did not like the stigmatism and fought it until society was desensitized enough to say “okay”. And the laws got changed. I guarantee that if enough people declared it an injustice, the progressives would side with them over time.
FYI, before you declare me a homophobe, I have a wonderful son who is gay. We have a great relationship and we understand that we have different opinions on the topic. His boyfriend (actually ex, now) is a great guy. I really enjoyed his company and talking sports with him.
For me, homosexuality is a sin equal to all the other sins out there. Including the ones that I am guilty of. I am no better or worse in God’s eyes. We all have our demons that we battle.
Throw a party.
IM – I’m sure you think because I am pro-gay and pro-choice I have no morals, but that is just wrong.
You believe what you believe and I believe what I believe. It seems never the twain shall meet. We’ll have to just leave it at that.
Perplexed: Women of a certain age and who have been in the workforce through workplace changes when men were men and women were secretaries will certainly be able to withstand assaults from the tea party and their throw back to those years like you. It’s over. OVER. Let me repeat:
O-V-E-R.
You don’t want government interference unless it’s for something that goes against what you believe. Hypocritical conundrum, isn’t it.
The Tea Party and GOP need to get out of the vagina business.
And you need to move on.
Hillary 2016 (!!!)
Per Integrity Matters: So Libby, I guess you are okay with pedophilia and polygamy and beastiality
IM:
This is precisely why the Tea Party will not win a national election. You might throw that outlandish religious stuff out to see if it sticks locally in the back woods, but you would be laughed off the national stage because it does not have a place in politics.
The new law includes maternity coverage on all polices whether you need it or not. This was an added option on plans before the ACA was passed – behind closed doors, in the middle of the night – with out any Republican votes. “We have to pass it so we can find out what’s in it.” Maternity coverage is very expensive and this is why some premiums for some folks who are not eligible for government subsidies have become very high. These are the folks who are paying in premium for subsides so those who are eligible for subsides can get them – the money has to come from someplace. A distribution of wealth which is what Obama is all about. He is robbing from Peter to pay Paul and this is all going to implode on itself and we’ll all be on a single payer system which is what Obama’s agenda is all about. Has anyone checked on the financial status of Greece lately? They are sill in the hopper and that is exactly where we are headed thanks to Obama and his cronies destroying our country from this inside out.
The GOP refused to be a part of it during the bill process — so they effectively gave up their right to contribute. Great “put your head in the sand” strategery (spelling intended).
Yeah, and the dems were more than happy to take the GOPs positions into account when drafting this monstrosity. We know where your head is.
You’re right, jaybar. It was their design. Came from The Heritage Foundation and was the Rep response to Hillarycare rolled out by Mr. Bob Dole. The Reps were for it before they were against it. That isn’t just a Right Wing phenomenon. It’s politics. I expect my politicians to play politics. I also expect them to work constructively with the laws we have rather than be whiney beyotches. What are the Reps doing to help? Nothing. They have sick constituents this law is helping. Focus on that!
While I do not have the specific details, I am pretty sure the original design from the Heritage Foundation looked quite a bit different than the final version the Dems shoved down our throat.
They have sick constituents that are being hurt by getting their insurance cancelled. Insult to injury, now 2x their premium. Just to make matter worse.
Planet:
And it didn’t go through, because the majority of republicans were against it.
It is not a republican plan. The republicans didn’t pass it, the democrats did. If the republicans wanted it, they would have put it in place between 2000-2006, when they had majorities in all houses of government.
Please stop being an idiot.
Jaybar — seriously? The Dems did take the GOP’s position into accoumnt – the GOP wanted nothing to do with it. And that’s exactly what they got — nothing. Just like the debt limit and budget deal. Nothing. And I bet you lose the House over it in 2014.
If the GOP loses the house over that issue, it is because of one or two things:
1. The elections are rigged, or
2. The people voting are stupid and getting their information from places like MSNBC and the rest of the liberal media.
Please admit that you are okay with all the lies and deception that is the hallmark of this administration. At least you won’t look so stupid by thinking everything they are doing is normal.
Maybe so Celtica, but it is President OBama – President of the United States – Lying to everyone in the world.
Reports out of the Italian Media he was eves dropping on the POPE. This guy thinks he is bigger then GOD himself.
Dear Integrity:
If you need to tell yourself that elections are rigged or voters are stupid, go right ahead. The real reason is that you are letting the fanatics of the right wing dictate terms, including shutting the government down. But don’t let that insight influence your thinking. I kinda like the fanatics of the right wing suck up all the media oxygen. Why? Because it won’t play in Peoria.
Celtica, what is fanatical about protecting our borders, fiscal responsibility, following the constitution, transparency and accountability from the president, his administration and ALL congresspersons and senators?
The progressives problem is that everything that we do not agree with that is in the progressive agenda, is considered fanatical.
I’m guess thinking the president and his staff should tell the truth and accept responsibility is fanatical.
Defend that!!
Celtica,
I am waiting for your response to my fanatical ranting.
Celtica,
You are grilling me to show you in the bible and constitution about my rights to waste natural resources, yet you won’t answer my questions about why you think the issues I raised are fanatical.
I’ve given you my answers, which you continue to ignore or accept. I’m waiting for yours. I guess you cannot defend yourself or the liar in chief.
IM:
In response to your request for examples of your ranting – you have a habit of throwing in the kitchen sink to bolster your argument.
IM: How much of the natural resources is Obama and Michelle wasting whrn they take two planes to go on vacation!!!
IM: How much of my hard earned money is being wasted by this govt on their pet projects or ridiculous “scientific studies”? I guess we really needed to know how a shrimp reacts after walking on a treadmill?
Actually, Celtica, the writers of the ACA agreed to about 190 republican ideas and concepts when crafting the bill. But, you are correct in that they really stayed away from the process so they could maintain the illusion to their base that they are opposed to the ACA. Insurance Exchanges and the Individual Mandate are bourn solely within the republican mindset. The basic concepts of the ACA are based on something developed by the Heritage Foundation, a GOP “think tank”. That’s where Romny got his ideas for MA. Obama felt by making the bill more “republican” it would gain a wider appeal. The O man has turned out to be a pretty naive fellow thinking the republicans would work with him. Remember the stimulus? It was also watered that down with GOP ideas and they never voted for it anyway. The best think Obama and his people can do is fix the many “bugs” in the sign-up process and get past these initial cancellations brought on by the insurance industry. There is a heck of a lot of work to do….
Sorry, Dems own this mess.
Hey, I thought this was George Bush’s fault!
D — thank you for your well thought out response. Yep, there is a lot of work to do with the website — but I do get a kick out of all the ACA IJ articles prints every few days.
You’re correct in that the Individual Mandate was originally conceived by the Heritage Foundation and a GOP alternative to Hillarycare’s socialist take-over of the market with single-payor, but that’s where the similarities end. Heritage’s use of the Individual Mandate couldn’t be further than it’s final role in Obamacare, and the overall plans developed by the GOP & Obamacare have very few, if any, parts in common. The GOP plan used the Individual Mandate to actually encourage competition in the private market by extending the employer health insurance premium tax benefits to individuals, then re-introducing price sensitivity in insurance and health care delivery by shifting the costs of routine, minor health care onto individuals, who would use health insurance only for catastrophic loss, and also reforming Medicare from a fee-for-service to voucher system. It did NOT mandate minimum coverage & benefits, did not standardize plans, did not include exchanges, actively opposed an employer mandate, opposed mandating guaranteed issue & rating factors that do not consider health/risk, opposed having younger and/or healthy people’s premiums being used to subsidize high-risk individuals, did not include expanding Medicaid while cutting payments and did not mandate insurance plan/company spending levels. Basically, the GOP wanted to use the Individual Mandate to remove market distortions & encourage free market competition to work, while Obamacare uses it to shift control of the market to the government.
Even then, the Individual Mandate was nothing more than a compromise in an attempt to avert Hillary’s single-payer system. At the end of the day it isn’t the Individual Mandate that makes Obamacare the horrendous failure that it is, that’s merely the easiest to attack. What makes it a failure is mandating coverage & benefit levels, underwriting/rating factors that don’t include health or risk, and relying on young, healthy individuals to subsidize & avoid the impacts of adverse selection as thousands of very sick, high-risk individuals enroll. It doesn’t work because rather than addressing the problems in the market it creates additional new market distortions and replaces market regulation with centralized government control.
You were right that Obama was naive, as well, but it had nothing to do with Republicans – it is very well documented that they were all but shut out of the process of crafting the bill (“Thank you Senator McCain, but let me remind you that the election is over and I won” – Obama). Why do you think it got 0 Republican votes? Obama was naive to think that Government could effectively manage, regulate, & control the market better than the market can itself. It’s a lesson that’s been proven over and over – the Government is always less efficient, effective, and competent than the free market.
ssx1 – BRAVO! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Maybe so D, But it is Obama lying to everyone including you.
Is that the morals and ethics you teach your kids? Do you lie to your clients? Family? Friends? Strangers?
Please don’t insult me with the OBama Tap dance.
Not true. Republicans offered tort reform (which the President agreed to consider), buying insurance across States lines, expanded health savings accounts, tax credits for inviduals just like corporations receive now and so on. You can’t just make up your own history.
Scott, all we have to do is review the famous Blair House meeting when Obama and minions Pelosi and Reid met with Republicans. Republicans offered their ideas you listed and Obama said thanks, but no thanks. We will do it our way and you should get on board with it. Tort Reform was given a wave of the hand since the Trial Lawyers were some of the biggest contributors of the campaign. This whole fiasco was not about improving healthcare, but establishing Progressive control over 1/6th of our economy and regulating every aspect of our lives.
Why isn’t health insurance interstate? I keep trying to think of something that would make that unattractive, but I got nothing.
jw, think about it. We do business with P&C companies domiciled in other states who are licensed to do business in our state, have their rate filings for our state and we sell their policies. Safeco is home officed in Seattle, Wa, but does business all over the country. Why would Health Insurance not fit that model? If there were more competition, we wouldn’t have been receiving rate increases all the time. That, and Tort Reform might have kept prices lower for health coverage. That did not happen so we are stuck with the dysfunctional Obamacare which is a nightmare of biblical proportions.
Agent – As usual, you didn’t answer the question. Health care has always been that way. What does Obama have to do with it?
Libby…Health Insurance has always been in the private sector. That didn’t stop Obama from attacking and trashing it. That is what Obama has to do with it. If they can completely change the rules legislatively, they could have done the same thing to allow competition across state lines and tort reform.
The quick answer is Libby, that Health Insurance has not been made available to sell across state lines in forever. One of the suggestions by Republicans was to open up so it could be sold that way and actually create some competition. That was quickly discarded by your President since he wanted what he wanted. You and I both know that there are hundreds of P&C carriers out there and many major carriers doing business across the country. Why have only a few health carriers dominating in each state? How about 15 or 20 offering a number of plans? I know this flies in the face of your narrative, but it is free market enterprise and it may very well have worked along with Tort Reform, but when liberal politicians want to dictate terms, you get what we got and it is a disaster no matter what you say.
I really do want to know why health insurance doesn’t cross state lines. It makes sense to me. I keep trying to think of a regulatory reason, but health insurance isn’t really something that needs to be different from one state to the next. The risk might change, but the actual need for and administration of health insurance is pretty uniform.
Ok, except for the part where the state insurance department would have to close an entire division. Still not enough of a reason to me.
Ah, now here is the lie that seemed so believable. This one is a dozy, too. For all those people who may not have voted for him but for this promise, I can see justified anger and outrage.
Just a reminder, I didn’t vote for Obama in either election. I may be more liberal than conservative, but I did not like him when he ran the first time; and his four years of being in charge didn’t impress me.
Good to see you have gotten your wake up call jw. Independent voters like Ron have still not awakened. They still prefer to blame Republicans for the ills of the country when they weren’t in charge of this fiasco. The outright lies and deceit of this President and him minions are historic in scale. Even the serial liar Slick Willy can’t hold a candle to this guy.
Agent,
Facts will awaken me, not empty rhetoric. The fact that this law is not working confirms my opposition.
How come you call it blame when I hold Republicans accountable for failing to turn their ideas (selling across state lines, tort reform, etc.) into law when they had the chance? My problem with the Republicans is their failure to act to improve the country when they have power.
Did you see that the annual deficit has gone down again this year? I guess you need to stop using your, “we cannot keep spending $1 trillion more than we take in each year” statement any more.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/30/news/economy/deficit-2013-treasury/
Let’s do a quick scoreboard between President Reagan’s term and President Obama:
Spending: increased under Reagan; decreased under Obama
Annual Deficits: increased under Reagan; decreased under Obama
Debt to GDP: increased by 55% under Reagan; increased 17% under Obama
Money Supply: doubled under Reagan; increased 30% under Obama
Inflation 4% when Reagan left office; currently under 2%
Government Employees: increased by 8.3% under Reagan; decreased 2.8% under Obama (the only time it decreased for any of the past 5 Presidents).
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2013/01/24/the-growth-of-the-federal-government-1980-to-2012/
If have different data, please provide and cite your source.
Ron, right now, none of that matters. Right now it is important for the country to unite so this liar cant teach our young that it is ok to lie any more.
Way to stick with your leftist narrative Ron. I must admit you are consistent blaming Republicans over and over. By the way, do you remember the little incident this country had in 2001 in New York, DC and Pennsylvania. That little incident cost America over 3,000 lives and galvanized the country to do something about it. I don’t remember one Senator, Congressman on the left or right clamoring for Healthcare Reform for several years since we were busy trying to prevent another attack and going after the bad guys. You conveniently forget history and trot out your websites because you don’t use common sense and can’t use your brain.
Agent,
I don’t blame, I hold those accountable who do not do the job for the people, including President Obama and the Senate Democrats. I have repeatedly expressed my displeasure with Senate Majority Reid and President Obama for their fauilures. How come you never say that I am blaming them?
If one of your employees makes a mistake and has an adverse impact on one of your clients do you let it go and not let them know that they made a mistake? Or do you hld them accountablle (blame them).
Common sense is only useful when based in reality. Yours is based in perception.
Please tell me for what I should give Republicans credit? You keep telling me how wonderful President Reagan was, and I actually did like him as a President, but you do not like it when I show that he was not as fiscally conservative as you like to think. The fact that there is data the shows we have been more fiscally conservative under President Obama than President Reagan irks you to no end.
You keep bringing up 9/11 as an excuse for the Republican failure to address health care reform, but criticize anyone who brings up the financial collapse that occurred during President Bush’s term as an excuse for President Obama.
I do not recall any U.S. Senator or Representative going overseas to fight terrorists.
Yes Ron, please show me where Reagan ran up a $6 Trillion debt in 4 years. He inherited an equally anemic economy from the now infamous peanut farmer from Georgia. High debt, energy crisis, high interest rates and business malaise all across the country. It was abominable. Ronny had a big job to do to recover this country and it took over three years to get it done and people started feeling good about their future. Tax cuts, installing IRA’s, 401K’s to encourage retirement savings did a lot to restore the economy and 9 million new jobs created. Your lack of common sense and knowledge of history is astounding. By the way Tip O’Neil (D-Mass) and Speaker of the House at the time welched on limiting spending and that created whatever the deficit ended up. Goes to show you can’t trust a Progressive Democrat on anything just like we are finding out currently.
Holding the country hostage – give me a break Libby. Obama has been holding us hostage since he got in office. It’s his way or NO way. That’s not holding the whole country hostage? He had his thugs block open air monuments to make 90 year old vets lives miserable and still you blame the conservatives. 42% in favor and sliding down more and more each week priceless. Open your eyes to the biggest con artist we’ve ever had in office. 93 million Americans are going to loose their healthcare according to page 3532 was it of the ACA bill? The bloom has fallen of the rose and Obama can’t keep saying he had no clue he knew well what we were going to have imposed on us and he doesn’t give a rats ass because he and his precious family and all his government servants are exempt. The poop has hit the fan, Libby and there’s not turning back now. Obama will go down in history as the worst dictator this country has ever had.
Always – Contrary to what you believe, I am not defending Obama or the ACA. I am defending the fact that something needed to be done about the millions of Americans that needed healthcare and he’s the one that did it. The Republicans had plenty of chances to pass something but they didn’t and had no intention of doing so.
The fact that the plan turned out to have so many problems is another issue. But all I see from your side is blame and condemnation. You never wanted this to work and now you have the results you wanted. I would think you’d be throwing a party, not bitching on IJ.
And it was Congress, led by the Republican-held House that held this country hostage, not Obama. They are responsible for having no-one available to secure the monuments and lock out the vets. And I will hold each and every one of them (regardless of party) accountable on election day. How about you?
The national debt is over 17 trillion now – whose watch is that on? And when did this country start sending money, 400 billion, to the Muslim Brotherhood – a known terrorist organization – whose watch is that on? Also, the USA has lost its creditability with foreign countries – and whose watch is that also on?
And “If you like your health plan you can keep your health plan. Period. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Period. Whose watch WAS that on? The president is either the biggest liar on the planet – or the most clueless president we have EVER had in office. And guess what? The world is watching and they must be laughing their A$$es off. Obama’s creditability has been tarnished so badly by, let’s see: Benghazi, NSA, DHS, Fast & Furious, IRS, and not the ACA and President Schultze didn’t know ANYTHING about any of these. Wake up people; this is what you get when you vote in a Community Planer who NEVER was even in the military into office. I didn’t know that the President of the United States job desripton had “No experience needed” written in it but we sure found out the hard way.
Always Amazed,
If you were to pay attention to my posts you would realize that I have criticized President Obama for most of those issues. The only exception is the IRS because, as it turns out, they did also target liberal political groups.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/20/us-usa-tax-liberals-idUSBRE97J0V820130820
In addition, I have consistently stated that I am against the PPACA.
Regarding the debt, President Obama is far from the only President to be held accountable. Were you criticizing President Reagan when he was the first President to oversee a trillion dollars in debt and increased the debt more than all other previous Presidents combined?
To put some context to the discussion let’s look at % increases in the debt:
Carter: 43%
Reagan: 186%
H.W. Bush: 54%
Clinton: 32%
W. Bush: 101%
Obama: 44%
Please tell me which Presidents had the greatest impact on our debt again?
http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/p/US-Debt-by-President.htm
Ron, look at the $ amount not the % increase you twit.
Jack,
If you were smart you would know that using percentages is commonly used in analysis to compare values that change significantly over time. How about the fact that our debt to GDP has seen its smallest increase under President Obama since and including President Reagan. Or how about the fact that the government has been shrinking since he took office. I am not saying he had anything to do with it, but it is happening. These are called facts and I can support them with a source.
Still waiting for your source of your statement regarding 75% of people in VA who signed up for Obamacare found out that they qualify for Medicaid. Or your assertion that NY had a federal tax deficit in 2013.
I bet next your are going to say unemployment is down as a % when there are more Americans out of work now than when he took office.
How many democrats does it take to change a light bulb,
None because they prefer to stay in the dark.
Have a happy spook day! And no Libby that was not directed at Obuma.
Amazed, you have it all wrong. Ask Libby, the Tea Party is the terrorist organization. Muslims aren’t. They just kill people that don’t agree with them.
P – holding the country hostage was a terrorist act and it was perpetrated by the teahadists.
Ron,
Thant’s the problem with you progressives. You read the headlines, but fail to read or actually digest what is said in the fine print (I know where Pelosi gets the “you have to pass it, to find out what is in it”).
If you actually read the article, the deficit is down this year but that is because of the expiration of the stimulus money (they did not add any more money this year to the stimulus), the sequestor (those damn republicans), and tax increases on the rich (those damn democrats). Additionally, a large part was the pay back of Fannie and Freddie money ($187BB). Another $415BB in interest payments were received.
While these are positive, many are one time shots for this year only. The real problem is the future. Per the article..
“Either way, fiscal restraint is likely to continue for the next couple of years. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the annual deficit will fall to a low of 2.1% of GDP in 2015, before starting to rise again thereafter.
Independent budget experts’ concern, however, is not about the country’s deficits over the next 10 years. Their concern is about the subsequent decades when spending on major entitlement programs, as well as interest on the debt, will consume much larger portions of the budget while revenue is not expected to increase enough to keep pace.”
Obama has chosen a spend now, pay for it later attitude. We have not yet felt the real effects of his ineptness.
You need to look a little further than the end of your nose to realize what is really taking place. Are those facts good enough for you?
Ron,
Spending did not decrease under Obama. The spending chart you mention measures Bush W’s worst year, against all of Obama’s years. Going down by 1% and then maintaining the worst year is not decreased spending, especially considering we bailed out several entities to get to that high of a deficit. You need to stop claiming that Reagan was worse on debt. He wasn’t.
Annual Deficits remained high under Obama, decreasing, same point as above, while still in the threshold of twice the norm before the 2008 year is insane. Totally insane.
Inflation at 2% compared to 5% starting, and also, under Reagan it was a natural environment, which stayed in place for years. Obama’s lower interest rates are through artificial means that will have to end (mortgage buying, etc). An artificial government funded low interest is extremely bad.
Moving on to government employees: The president hires people? Really? Reagan attempted cuts, democrat congress refused.
Moving on again: 40 year majority for democrats, 1-2 surplus years. 11 year majority for republican congress, 4 years of surpluses. I like the 4 out of 11 more than the 1-2 out of 40. Get off the debt topic. Republicans win. Get over it.
It’s not a “wake up call,” Agent. I never liked the ACA. Not even a little. I’m starting to worry about your short term memory. I’ve mentioned this many times.
I’ll be heading to Jeffersonville as part of a down state run. I do have a large group down there to get quotes on the table to. I also have a bunch of smaller accounts I need to go visit. I’ll pack up the wife and make my run in a week or so.
Funny how small the world is….
FFA: Pack up the wife. How very Taliban of you.
Celtica, who taught your morals and ethics to defend a lie on such a large scale??? Is this what you are teaching your kids? Do you lie to your customers like OBama lied to you? You cant be Christian because lying is one of the big 10.
There’s a great dessert place at exit 5 (which is actually Clarksville) of I65. I can’t remember the name right off the top of my head, but it’s cakes and pies and ice cream. It’s so good. I’m actually glad I no longer drive past it when I go to get my granddaughter. I stopped every trip when they lived in Clarksville. Now I get off I65 at exit 1 and completely avoid the shopping district. ;)
Celtica, seriously? Give it a rest. You’re grasping at straws to throw insults at those with differing views. It’s very annoying.
FFA, Isn’t the down state part of Illinois where the Conservatives live and do business. You will probably have better luck there than in the north.
Agent, I’ll go anywhere for biz. I get to see parts of the Midwest I would never even think of seeing. Nobleesville Indiana is a very nice town. If I did not have biz there, I would have never thought of going there. Im in South Bend a few times a year. Nice place to visit. Michigan City… Not much there.
jw,my short term memory is just fine. I remember you agreeing with Libby dozens of times with her wild leftist rants. Are you now saying that you are angry about Obamacare and the lies and deceptions that have gone on starting with the President working down through his minions? Do you think this fits the narrative of High Crimes & Misdemeanors? How bad does it have to get for this country before you get angry?
Jack, thank you for the laugh. I haven’t heard anyone call anyone else a twit in a very long time.
I have agreed with Libby on many things – most notably social ISSUES (human rights and other things that don’t cost any money).
I have said I am against the ACA from the beginning.
I’m almost positive Libby isn’t fond of the ACA, but prefers it to what we had before. I don’t.
I have not defended Obama’s spending in any posts. Just because I don’t call for his impeachment, doesn’t mean I think he’s doing a good job. I agree with you that the government spends too much money – on pretty much everything.
I will admit I am glad DADT was repealed. I am also pleased Obama chose not to spend any further money defending DOMA.
How bad does it have to get for me to get angry? Since my getting angry doesn’t do anyone any good, what purpose would that serve? I vote in every election. Are you suggesting I do more than that?
“FFA: Pack up the wife. How very Taliban of you.” I cannot believe that anyone would say something that disrecpectful. I just saw a woman walking around at Target yesterday in a Barca – I can’t imagine what that would be like on a hot day in August – at least Target will have the AC on then. And what about “honor killings”? Celtica – you are one twisted sister.
Always, it was just a pointless insult which I don’t even know what she was getting at. It takes a lot more then that to offend me.
When I come face to face with St Pete, my conscious will be clear.
jw, All we ask is that you look at things with clear eyes and use common sense, something that is in short supply with the leftists on this site. The biggest defenders of the left on this site are Libby, Ron & Planet. Take their comments with a grain of salt. You can’t go wrong with Integrity, Bob, FFA, Always Amazed, Sargeant.
Always, I thing he goes to the Ministry of Silly walks…
Oh, Agent, I won’t agree with y’all very often; I am still more liberal than conservative.
Agent – you have alot of nerve telling someone else who to listen to and who not to listen to. At least Ron and I cite our sources when we make statements of fact.
You consistently speak for me and put words in my mouth. I’m pretty fed up and angry, alright. With you!
I’m tired of repeating myself over and over only to have you spout some bullshit about what I think or how I feel that is totally contrary to everything I have ever posted.
If you could get it right even some of the time that might be OK, but you are off the mark 100% of the time. And it really makes you look like the stupid ass you are. Now commence to thumbing me down. I don’t care anymore.
JW:
Social issues are emotional play strings that should never be considered in politics.
Vote economically.
bob, I’ve already admitted I vote with my emotions.
If they are emotional play strings that should never be considered in politics, why are the always part of the political platform? I agree government has no place in deciding these things, but as long as they keep trying I will vote liberal. If Republicans would stay out of these “emotional play strings” they would have alot more support from people like me. And jw I would assume.
You would right, too, Libby. I have no problem with the conservative fiscal talking points.
JW:
I know. And it’s how democrats win elections at certain times (though not all).
Allowing someone to play heartstrings to get into power is not something you should allow.
Libby,
I will reiterate what I have several times:
You’re wrong on gay marriage regarding republican’s stance. So that heart string is not one they need to change, and it’s one that they are doing right. They passed the law here in Washington, favorable to all and only tried to remove two sections.
You’re wrong on abortion. They are only mainstream against partial birth abortion, which is always wrong.
On funding birth control you’re wrong there two. It shouldn’t be done. People should learn to pay for their behavioral needs. It’s cheap regardless.
The republicans have taken the logical, and best, route to social issues.
The other side well, uses it, to ignite an emotional war.
Never vote with or listen to your emotions. It is how you get played and it is why you vote liberal. Not because liberals are more in line with your beliefs.
bob, I know you’ve mentioned many times that the majority of republicans are like the republicans you have in Washington (state). The thing is, the other republicans, those on the extreme right, get all the press. Until you can find a way to let EVERYONE know that republicans aren’t all bad, you will find very few people who believe you.
You actually are the only conservative voice I’ve heard that doesn’t have a problem with gay marraige. I’m not sure what you mean on abortion, I don’t remember what you’ve said in the past. Birth control is not a hot button issue for me, so if repubs/conservatives just want people to pay themselves, ok. I am against mandated religion even though I believe in God.
Until I see a conservative CANDIDATE who is moderate on the issues that matter to me, I will continue to vote emotionally the other way. Sure, I’d love it if we could be more fiscally conservative, but I’m not willing to trample on the rights of others to get there.
bob, I meant to ASK how you feel about the mandated religion issue (instead of just giving my opinion). I don’t think you’ve jumped in to any conversations regarding freedom of religion. Are there republicans in WA who don’t feel they must impose their beliefs on everyone else?
Was just watching HHS head Sebelius try to answer and justify questions and positions on the infamous website. The most troubling issue to me was the fact that they have not done a security end to end security test. According to testimony the site is not encrypted and your personal information is at risk of being obtained and used or sold. So, there is a high risk of identity theft. According to testimony and a memo from Sebelius, “This is an acceptable risk”. I guess so since she does not have to participate in ACA, she gets hers for free under the fed program.
Yes Sargeant, Sebelius admitted she was responsible for the debacle. I thought the buck stopped at the President’s desk. She is definitely a loyal minion and trying to shield him from the responsibility. I remember her saying gleefully in September that the site was going to be open for business. Imagine the conversation when she had to report to him that the site was a disaster. He says, Kathleen, I gave you 3 1/2 years and spent $634 million to get this set up and it won’t accept 200 prospects. What is this? I am puzzled that he didn’t tell him to have her resignation on his desk by mid afternoon. Could someone on the left please explain why incompetence is such a great thing in government?
Blago, Rezco, Levine, Sebelius – who is next?? How many people going to to protect this LIAR.
Don’t forget Rice and Hillary. They took bullets, too.
Integrity, the favorite ploy of this administration is that they won’t comment on an active investigation. That is why they won’t let witnesses testify in front of Congress on Benghazi 14 months after the fact. One would think the investigation should be wrapped up by now. This is just the stonewall that has been the hallmark of this administration. It seems to me that they don’t have enough fingers to put in the dike and the leaks are getting worse by the day.
The answer FFA is about everyone in the administration will try to shield this serial liar. Keep on falling on that sword. I guess he may just be in the bunker by himself by the end of his term.
Sargeant, I saw an article today that Bill Gates – Microsoft and Amazon.com chief saw the debacle in the first week and offered their services to get the site fixed, but were turned down. The administration said “we got it, but thanks for the offer”. My question is if you have something this big and the signature legislation of the President, why not hire the most competent web designers or IT people in the business instead of a Canadian company with an iffy track record of competence. Perhaps it is because cronyism was in play since the VP of the company was a classmate of Michelle Obama at Princeton and a contributor to the campaign. What a colossal mistake to make!
While Bill Gates may have both the money and the brains to run Amazon, that’s Jeff Bezos’ baby.
I couldn’t remember the name of the Amazon guy. The truth is that both guys have more brains in their little finger than the bozos that designed this mother of all screw up sites.
Yes Sargeant, AP just came out with a report that security on this site was a major concern. All that was granted for this site was a temporary certificate for security. Due to limited testing, the site is not secure leaving vulnerable all applicants that managed to apply for healthcare policies. Can you see the hackers rejoicing? This is bordering on criminal behavior, not just incompetence. Sebelius needs to be run out of town. I am not sure she will even be welcome in Kansas at this point.
Speaking of being able to “Keep your insurance if you like it” I have a good friend who called me today for advice. He has had his health insurance for about 6 years, paid the premium and has been healthy. He received a letter cancelling his insurance. He paid $362 per month. The best deal he could find was $852 per month. plus his deductibles went from $2,500 for him and his wife to $5,000 each. He was told that it was because of ACA without any further explanation.
Thats not a cancellation notice, it’s a “transition letter”. LOL
I read that as “translation” instead of transition.
Sargeant, did you see the Sebelius testimony today where she said she was responsible for the website mess and she said she was responsible and hold her accountable? They asked her if the buck stopped at the President’s desk and wasn’t he the responsible party for this fiasco. She stammered around and then said “Whatever”. That is the height of arrogance. I would like for our liberal friends to answer this question. Does the words of a President matter? This is a very big issue when 1/6th of the economy is at stake. If a President knowingly deceives the American People and lies repeatedly about the merits of this law, are there consequences for those lies?
I believe that this current situation is an attempt by Insurance Companies to get rid of old policies in favor of new packages at a higher rate – essentially, the businesses taking advatange of the law to increase reveneue. We are constantly blaming the government for all of our ills, not recognizing that businesses make decisions that negatively impact Americans, even when they have the option to do the right thing.
Tom…what part of the law do they have the choice of not complying with? They do not have Obama’s ability to decide what law to follow.
If they are forced to provide coverage, shouldn’t they be allowed to charge a higher premium? Also, what carrier wants to send out thousands of non-renewal notices with the hope that their insured will decide to stay with them and pay a higher premium? Their retentions are likely going to suffer badly.
Sure… Keep believing that… They wanted to 2x premiums so they jumped in bed with a LIAR.
Why?? So they can get a less then 20% return on their investment? Remember the LIAR told them the 80/20 MLR???
Tom, the insurance companies are well aware that when they terminate policies those customers are extremely unlikely to come back, especially for a higher premium. If you wanted to boost revenue, why would you terminate 300,000 policies in the hopes that 50,000 come back? That said, with the Government mandate that insurance companies spend 80% of premiums on claims or improving the quality of care, additional benefits they are required to cover and with thousands of formerly uninsurable, high-risk individuals coming on the books how do you expect the company to collect enough premium to cover the huge boost in claims if they’re charging half of what is needed? They are required to comply with the law, and the law states what each plan must cover, that they cannot reject an applicant for health reasons, and also are very limited in what factors can be used to set prices so having a large book of policies that are paying far less in premiums than what is now required to cover claims & expenses for the rest of the customers will put them out of business. This is a recipe cooked up by the government, whether implemented by the companies or not.
Be that as it may Tom, OBama lied to you.
FFA, Nixon lied and was due to be Impeached when he resigned. Slick Willy lied and was Impeached, but not removed. Both of those liars suffered the consequences of their lies. The current Liar in Chief has a much larger lie on the plate. When will these whoppers catch up with him? We are supposed to be a nation of laws, not men.
Agent says – “We are supposed to be a nation of laws, not men.”
Might I add – Laws – not lies.
Hopefully this is a lesson to learn – NEVER VOTE FOR AN ILLINOIS POLITICIAN FOR THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN!
Nancy Pelosi: “We have to pass the bill before you can find out what’s in it.”
And the doctor replied – That fits the description of a stool sample.
Did you hear the latest democrat spin? “those are not cancellation letters from carriers, they are transition letters to obumacareless”
WTH? Are you democrats that stupid? Really?
Yes Jack, I am afraid Democrats and liberal Independents are that stupid. Did you see the interview on the street that Shannon Bream did with New Yorkers? She stopped several and asked whether they liked Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act. Some had just a deer in the headlights look, others picked one or the other. Clearly, the low information voters that re-elected this man have very low IQ’s and really don’t care what happens.
“just give me my obuma phone,my check and make the white man pay for it”
Redistribution or Reparations is how I see it. Call it what you want, we know who’s paying the bill!
Oh, a homophobe AND a racist. And don’t forget hick.
Libby, you’ll have to forgive him. It sounds like he’s been Hannitized.
Is it racist if it is a true statement? DO you honestly believe that there are not some portions of the population that feel this way? I have seen interviews where similar statements have been made. Sad, but true.
Why is there such a push from Obama and the progressive right to redistribute wealth? Who is he, or anyone else, to say that someone didn’t work hard enough that they deserve the income that they are receiving?
How hard are some of the people on welfare even looking for jobs, much less earning what they are being paid by the govt?
I think the welfare laws should REQUIRE a minimum amount of community service work for those that are healthy enough to do so.
Libby,
Though I disagree that him stating that the white man is paying more taxes is racist (as by default democrats tend to believe that the wealthy are rich white men, who would by default not by cashing checks from the government)
I have to ask: Where does the homophobe application come into play from Jack’s comment?
Also, as I told you before, the primary reason I’m not democrat, is the majority of all democrats resort to that belief you just put out there.
Republicans are just stupid, non educated, hicks, trailer trash, etc etc. I’ve heard the insults.
It isn’t flattering to the liberal/democrat image.
Don’t say you get insulted just as much by the conservative side. The furthest agent goes with you is to say you’re sipping on kool aid, or that you’re blind, or a socialist. Any of those items are not the same as an uneducated, homophoboic, bible thumping, hick.
Yep Libby, you’re proud if this display aren’t you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio&list=FL9lJuRBjktDPY_TeM76IBSw&index=28
Bob, you’re asking for a rational answer form somebody who wants to murder George Bush. You’re barking up the wrong tree here. Libby is truly sick.
For the record, i don’t like Obuma’s white half either. LOL
I’d vote for a black conservative before I’d vote for a white progressive communist !!!!
When (if) you people ever figure out that the US is the 1 percenters to the rest of the world and our wealth is getting redistributed not only in the US but worldwide maybe you will snap out of this Life is Fair crap.
Life AIN’T fair! You can fix poor AND fat by doing one thing, get off your azz.
FYI- just in case you want to research the 1% comment before you show your ignorance, dig into the fact Obuma and his DOJ think that UN Treaties override the US Constitution.
I pulled down material off the United Nations website info about UN Agenda 21 that clearly stated the wealth of the US needs to be redistributed.
But he is not a proven Liar.
Bob – you would have had to have read some of Jack’s other posts where he refers to gays as homos and has made many other redneck comments. He’s from a little hick town in SC, for crying out loud. I spent many years in NC and I can spot a redneck hick a mile away.
That all you’ve got, Libby, you arrogant piece of…
Give me a hick any day over the likes of you. You are as arrogant as the muslim you worship.
Libby,
Ok, if that’s true then I see your point. It’s really not ok behavior.
But let’s not associate being a hick with being homophobic.
Libby- You are a bigot! Cleary by your comments you hate people with oposing views. With that said, I am a bigot as well. Now that we have established the fact by the mire definition of bigot that EVERYONE is a bigot feel free to glory in your bigotry like I do. For you to deny this is simply a LIE.
Welcome to the brotherhood of bigotry- you have been set free.
You’re right Jack. I am bigoted against bigots! LOL!
You’re pathetic.
Perplexed – there you go again showing your ignorance and your bigotry. FYI – Obama is not a Muslim and I do not worship him. But go ahead with your pathetic rants. It amuses me.
Bob – not confusing homophobe with hick. Jack is both.
You guys and bigot libby see the executive order signed by the president today thats going to drive your energy prices thru the roof?
Do me a favor libby, make a copy of your water and power bills. Let’s compare in about 5-10 years after the democrats get finished really screwing things up.
Now before you go blaming the big bad power and water companies for doing it, just remember they were obeying the law.
Just an FYI jack – conservative pundit Erik Erikson (sp?) has informed his readers that the free phone program was actually Dubya’s gift to the masses.
jw- I don’t agree with 1/2 the crap W did either. I’m not one of those follow the leader into the ditch type like these obuma voters.
FYI- we should have dropped a nuke on Iraq and Afgan and said if you ever do it again we will drop 10 more. Thats how you deal with people that have clearly stated and state it every day that the USA is the root of all evil. We have been wussified by political correctness and it will be our end. When you can call a spade a spade you are doomed.
correction- when you CAN’T call a spade a spade. And no Libby I ain’t directing that at Obuma.
jack – strangely, I’m not offended by the complete annihilation of countries that support/supported terrorists.
BTW – only mentioned the phone thing because you called it an Obuma phone.
jw- If Obuma were against the free phones he would have shut it down….you know kinda like shutting down millions of people’s health plans. :)
Well, there is that! LOL
Actually, jw, the phone program was started by Reagan for landlines so people would have access in case of an emergency. Dubya extended it to cell phones.
Jack[
Yes, they are that stupid just like illegal aliens are not illegal aliens, they are “undocumented workers” even though many of them don’t work. They are on the free train.
I think the correct term is now undocumented demorcrats.
That would be the mystery voters, right?
What did people expect when the heart of the bill was crafted by Karen Ignagni and Liz Fowler of the health care lobby modeled after Romneycare.
This is not free market capitalism at work.
The ACA was passed by the slimmest of maargins and would never have passed had there not been this reassurance. This was one of the major criticisms of the bill – That you will be forced out of a health plan you like and be required to buy one you didn’t want.
Carl it was a flat out lie and they knew it at the time.
FFA said- “Blago, Rezco, Levine, Sebelius – who is next?? How many people going to to protect this LIAR.
FFA how about, Biden (Buy a shotgun), Eric Holder (Fast and Furious), Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton (Benghazi), commerce secretary Penny Spritzker- Solyndra, Bankrupt battery maker A123 a big Obama speech on A123, Solar Trust- Bankrupt, Brightsource- Bankrupt, LSP Energy= Bankrupt, Abound Solar-Failed and received a $400 million dollar loan guarantee from Obama, Evergreen Solar, Failed BL after a %527 million dollar loan from Obama etc, etc, etc
And the list goes on…
Agent said- “Sargeant, did you see the Sebelius testimony today where she said she was responsible for the website mess and she said she was responsible and hold her accountable?”
Yes I saw her testimony. I also saw her say she would not delay or shutdown the website even if the website is not secure, could be hacked d the information used for identity theft purposes. What an idiot.
Sargeant, the President was in Boston yesterday trying to do damage control. He told the people that if they were getting a rate increase to “shop around”. How disengaged is that from reality? He had all those low information voters behind him that were just soaking it all in like they have been for the past 5 years.
She also admitted yesterday that there was no background checks on Federal Navigators so felons could be receiving peoples info on Socials, financial etc. Could that be a problem?
Agent said- “Does the words of a President matter?”
How can words matter unless you have credibility and he is losing the rest that he has. For example here is a President who:
* Blamed every negative thing that happened in his first 4 year term on George Bush but took credit for anything that was positive to his wondrous ability to govern even though he never managed a lemonade stand.
*Knew nothing about Fast and Furious that killed a US Border Patrol agent,
*He knew nothing about Benghazi, that killed 4 Americans and Burned a US Embassy,
* He knew absolutely nothing about the ACA website follies,
*He knew absolutely nothing about US citizens ability to “keep their own healthcare policy”
And he continues to think there are enough stupid Americans in the country that will believe anything he says in the face of the truth and reality.
So Sargeant, O’Reilly said he wasn’t prepared to say the President lied about Obamacare and telling the American People they could keep their plans and their doctors although he did it several dozen times on tape. This is his signature legislation and he argued for it for over two years prior to being passed and he doesn’t know what was in it? I think he has known since 2010 like the other minions in his administration have known. If this man can lie about Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS, NSA, he can lie about this as well. This whole administration is built on a lie. To me, this fits the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors to deceive the American People who trusted his statements. No one expects a President to be a micro manager of every detail of every program in his administration, but he does get daily briefings on most subjects so he can take action where appropriate. Have we seen any heads roll for these minions on any of these things that have happened.
I think he is a Bill Clinton but not as smooth. Clinton would lie but then go back and tell people they “misinterpreted his comments” Then he would explain it again in a way that twisted what he said to be somewhat incredible, I.E “I did not have sex with that women, Ms. Lewinski”. He denied it then came back and had one of his staff tell everyone that he meant sexual intercourse and that “fellatio” was not sex.
Obama just is not that smart. ere is a show on TV called Gatekeepers. I think on the Military channel. It is all of those who served as White House Chief of staff. There is one comment by Leon Panetta (Clinton’ Chief of staff and Obama’s Secretary of Defense). He says and I quote- ” You have to be the SOB that tells people what the President can’t tell them”. So, you protect the lies the President makes and take the heat and accountability for it. i.e, Holder took the heat for Fast and Furious (Obama can act like an idiot), Hillary can take the heat on Benghazi while Obama denies any involvement (Idiot), and Sebelious takes the heat for the ACA website.
In the meantime the CIA finds Bin Laden after a 10 year hunt, the military prepares Seal Team Six for the black op and Obama takes the credit for Seal Team Six successful operation. That is like being the owner of an MLB baseball team and the owner taking credit for the home run that wins the world series.
I wonder where he would have been if the operation went bad. Hello Hillary? You meet with the press!
Sargeant, these Progressive Democrats are great at parsing words and making their lies sound believable. It comes with Lawyer training 101. You may recall that when Slick Willy got caught on the definition of sex, he said it depends on what the definition of is is. What? Eventually he got found out when the blue dress showed up. Oops! I am still amazed they didn’t find Monica floating face down in the Potomac. Numerous other people in that administration died mysteriously. Vince Foster, Ron Brown are the best examples.
Per Jerry sienfeld, sex begins when the nipple makes it appearance…
Lastly,
Kathleen Sebelius, under direction of President Obama has spent $650 Million dollars for a website that does not work. So, who is going to pay for fixing it? The contractors that built it or the taxpayers who paid for it the first time?
Now if you were in private business and you went and attempted to get investors to invest in your company (such as Google, Amazon, expedia did when they developed their web business) and you said- “We have spent $650 Million on our product and it does not work and we are looking for investors and promise to fix it”. The investment community would laugh you out of the building and you would go broke, they would not say “great where do we sign up and wow go spend more of our money to fix it”.
As I have said many times, why would anyone think that the government could run a national healthcare program when they can’t deliver mail and break even?
1. Sebelius said the website itself has cost $118 million, with another $56 million for supporting IT issues. I would expect a site of this magnitude to be very expensive. Ever been involved in a major IT roll out? I have. Testing is always the variable that gets sacrificed. It’s a miracle it works as well as it does considering they’ve had less than a year to work on it. And no, they haven’t had 3 years.
2. They’ve been running the most efficient national healthcare plan, Medicare, in the world for quite a while.
3. The Post Office would break even if they didn’t have to pre-fund their health care reserve for employees that aren’t even born yet.
Everybody seems to have conveniently forgotten how much of a disaster the roll out of Medicare Part D was. And it didn’t have an entire political party, a cable network and half the states in the Country working against it. Funny how that there librul media isn’t revisiting the Medicare Part D disaster.
LOL- I rember getting quotes for clients online for Medicare Part D. It was so easy! Not sure what you are talking about?
Jack, I lived through that era as well and I don’t remember a disaster on Part D. I think there was a good deal of bi-partisan support for it at the time, unlike Obamacare which was purely partisan from the word go. By the way, customers on Part D also have Supplement policies that they pay a premium for to have this benefit. It is not given for free.
Did the president who rolled out Medicare Lie to everyone in the world???
Well “Comrade” yes I have been responsible for not one but six major IT launches and for other major modifications and not once did we release the software until it met security and functionality requirements. I fired several contractors over the years and sued some for incompetency. Also we tested not what we thought was going to be the normal traffic but for 2 and sometimes 3x maximum forecasted traffic. We also had to have it function with 16 different languages/dialects across the globe. Testing might be sacrificed where you work but not under my watch. Besides that we refused to put the company at risk to the Federal Government and by class action lawsuits for a lack of security.
So where do the US citizens sign up to sue the Federal Government for a hackable website and misappropriation of tax money?
The number I keep hearing is $650 Million spent and I don’t necessarily believe Sebelious as I am sure she is couching costs.
Also, answer the question- Who should have to pay to fix a non functioning website?
Sargeant, Why do I believe that Amazon or Microsoft could design a working site for a fraction of the cost? Could it be that they have a proven track record and the smartest geeks in the country?
Sure agent, but they are Americans. Why would OBama pay an American with American Tax Dollars when he can ship that money out of the country to his wife college pal??? That’s just Un American to put Americans to work seems to be the current line of thinking.
FFA, probably for the same reason he allowed his buddy Jeffrey Imelt of GE to ship whole divisions of GE to China and pay no Federal Income Tax on their American operations.
FFA – while the profit goes to Canada, it was the U.S. division of this Canadian company that was awarded the job. There were plenty of American workers involved.
Libby says “profit goes to Canada”.
Don’t make it better. Still American Tax Payer Money leaving the country.
Agent,
You are right, and they did it on their own, with their own money (some out of a garage or a dorm room to earn extra money)and their own ambition. That is Capitalism and keep the government out of it. As I have said many times, the Federal government is the absolute worst at creating and administering any program. They have no real ambition to succeed because they don’t have to when it comes to domestic programs. They spend taxpayer money, not their own, they can dictate the results and the people have to like it. And there is no recourse when it is a disaster.
So, it should not be a surprise to anyone but maybe the liberals who drink the daily Democrat Kool Aid.
It reminds me of the movie “Animal House”. In the scene where Kevin Bacon, in uniform raises his hands, in the middle of a riot and says “remain calm, all is well” or something like that.Ha
The administration is blaming the cancellations on the heartless insurance industry in order to spin this. They are pressuring health execs to keep their mouths shut while they do this. I do not understand why companies are getting in bed with this administration other than short term profits when this President wants to ultimately drive you out of business. Look at what happened to the industrialists in Germany under Hitler. Obama the socialist is no different.
I got to believe they are giving him enough rope to hang himself. Tactic used by employers since the dawn of time to get rid of worthless employees.
The other shoe drops:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/30/Election-Integrity-Activists-Obamacare-Biggest-Voter-Registration-Fraud-Scheme-in-History
This just came across my email from one of the people getting screwed by OBamas lie –
“I seen they authored a bill to change the stand on existing policy’s and even have a few democrats supporting it. I wonder if BCBS would have to reinstate my policy then.”
Has anyone seen this????
FFA, I just got my commission schedule effective 1-1-14 that the under 65 business will be 6% for year 1-3 and 4% thereafter. Can we all say OBAMACARE? I don’t think agents can make a living on this so we better do P&C.
6%%%. Not bad.
For three years and 4% thereafter. I like my P&C commissions a lot better averaging 12% overall.
FFA, speaking of screws, did you see the political cartoon with Obama on Obamacare suppositories? It had him standing behind a giant bucket of screws, each of which were about 6 inches long.
Comreade said- “The Post Office would break even if they didn’t have to pre-fund their health care reserve for employees that aren’t even born yet.” Huh??
The post office has to prefund their retirement plan so that the Taxpayers don’t have to bail them out because the government takes the money and uses it elsewhere. That is what Obama has done to Social Security. He takes the money and gives SS trust an IOU. That is why it is going broke.
If I was given a business (like the post office) which is a Monopoly (so no competition), is exempt from paying any taxes, Is exempt from regulation, is exempt from law including parking tickets and could charge whatever I wanted, I would make a fortune many times over. But the government, no they are inefficient, bloated, inept and have the best defined benefit pension plan as well as the best healthcare plan in the US.
“Comrade” If you want to know why the post office is broke, here is a good article for you to read. And guess what? It is not because the post office “has to fund for people who are not born yet”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2013/08/12/the-post-office-is-broke-its-time-to-end-washingtons-postal-monopoly/
Libby Says – “In 3 more years Obama will be gone. Guess all will be right with the world then. No blame after the term ends! Sweet!!”
Well Libby, hopefully they are drawing articles of impeachment now so we can change years into weeks…
I guess the hopes in the med terms for the democrats took a hit too. Repubs get the senate and poof – this is gone!
That ain’t happening, FFA.
I think your right Libby, but I can dream…
This fraud he laid down on the American people can not go unchecked. There has to be consequences the same as I punish my Gr kids for lying… I can tolerate a lot, but lying… No way!
What? “no blame after the term ends! Sweet!!” This is hilarious. This his the same group of people that blamed George Bush for everything including bad weather for the past 5 years. The way I see it Obozo should be good for the next 20 years. Alas, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton can rest easy, we have a new worst United States president that has ever been in office.
Ford was a better president then this guy. ford did NOTHING at all. He didn’t hurt. He didn’t help. He just collected his pay check.
There is a reason Obama keeps his records locked up stock and barrel. Someday all of them will be realeased and we’ll finally find our who Barry really is and where exactly he was born – Kenya.
Even if that is true, he would still be eligible to be the President of the United States due to the fact that his mother was a United States citizen at the time of his birth. If that is not the case, then Ted Cruz is ineligble to be the President of the United States.
Well Ron, then he is not. I don’t think he’ll get the same pass the Liar did.
What pass? They had a whole movement lead by Donald Trump. The real question is, “will those same birthers oppose Ted Cruz, should he get the Republican nomination?” Now that would make for some great theater.
Both sides may end up looking like hypocrites on this issue.
Ron, I have read the story on Cruz which you have not apparently done. His father immigrated to this country legally from Cuba and became a citizen. Ted was born here, not Cuba. Get your facts straight. His dad’s story is one of perserverance and hard work and success. He obviously instilled values in his son and we need plenty more of him. By the way, his filibuster was denounced by the press and some of his colleagues in the Senate. He is looking more shrewd by the day as Obamacare implodes in front of our eyes. He warned us this was coming and a lot of politicians said he was crazy. Crazy smart!
Ron, funny how these politicians keep digging a deeper hole. Any metrics to prove or disprove that thought. Or is that obvious to only the average Joe?
Agent,
Get YOUR facts straight…Ted Cruz was born in Canada.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/28/cruz-says-is-us-citizen-by-birth-despite-being-born-in-canada/
Agent, again, I’m questioning your memory.
Ted Cruz has discussed the fact (in an interview) he was born in Canada. This was on several news sites. He seems to think that doesn’t make him ineligible to run for president; however, Canada is a separate country, not a colony of the US.
Obama, for all his other faults, was born in Hawaii, which is the 50th state.
I agree FFA. Ford’s big mistake was to pardon Nixon and he lost because of it. I would have let Tricky Dicky swing, but he said he did it to save the country from the trials and tribulation it would have brought with Impeachment or other crimes committed. Had Nixon come clean on his minions and thrown them under the bus, he would have survived and finished his term. He also was stupid enough to tape record everything that went on. Those tapes should have been burned in the fireplace, but the evidence brought him down. He was a typical arrogant President who thought he could get away with it, much like our current one.
The comment that employees with employer coverage won,t have their policy change is just not the truth. Group insurance is changing also and not for the better. Less coverage more cost what a mess.
But, Carol, its affordable because OBama says so.
FFA, I saw a funny you would appreciate.
Nancy Pelosi was famous for saying – We have to pass it to see what is in it. A doctor replied that it fit the definition of a stool sample.
Good one…. Last time I had a good laugh was when my BCBS check came in.
Carol, I saw an article today that Forbes is now saying that up to 51% of employees covered under their employer health insurance will lose their healthcare mainly because of mandated coverages that have plagued the Individual market. Let’s see, if we have 15 million losing their Individual and another 75 million or so losing their group benefits, I think that is a pretty big thing, don’t you? All that has happened so far is just delaying the Group issue for a year. Employers are making plans as we speak and it won’t be pretty unless we get major concessions and those Progressive don’t want to concede anything. We are going to have to run them all out of town on a rail starting with Sebelius.
You forgot about the 17M they were hoping for. 15+17+75 = 107M people having an issue to deal with.
Ron said- “Did you see that the annual deficit has gone down again this year?”
Wow, Ron LOL. This president spends more money than any President in history and you praise him for not blowing through a TRILLION dollars of debt. That is hilarious.
So let’s take away some zeros. That is like a family who sits down and says gee, I made 75K this year and we spent 100K, that’s great because last year I made 75K and we spent 125K, that is great. Now we have $500K in overall debt o pay when it could have been 550K. Boy we done good”
So, using your information and website I did a little calculation on my own. According to you referenced site:
Bush had about $5.850 Trillion of debt including 2009 which was Obama’s first year as President. Seems that maybe he got stuck with more debt than he deserved but OK let’s leave it. $5.850 billion divided by 8 years in office, is $731 Billion per year (Including the bailouts for 2008 and Obamas stimulus fiasco).
Obama has debt equal to $5.082 Trillion for his first 5 years office. That equates to $1.016.40 Trillion per year even when you include his best year and the small amount he got tagged with for 2009. He is the worst money manager in the history of the US.
But really, The only number that really counts is the $17 trillion in debt that Obama refuses to deal with other than refuse to make any cuts and asks for continual debt ceiling increase. His comment ” We don’t have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem (Tax for you). This in spite of the fact that in 2006 he voted against raising the debt ceiling because he thought it was irresponsible.
Here is you website referral
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
But Sarge, we need immigration reform… OBama needs to focus on pardoning criminals, not fiscal responsibility or even just plain being honest.
FFA, Ha “we should focus on immigration control” another cost and debt waster. He wants to buy Democrat votes and he is willing to force America into bankruptcy to do it.
We need fiscal reform and those here ILLEGALLY should be escorted back to Mexico or where ever else they have come from. We need to cut off Medicaid, welfare, immediate cash and anything else to NON US Citizens. If they want to get in line and do it the correct way fine. But what does Obama want to do? Give some sort of amnesty, waiver who knows what.
So if you were honest and had integrity and someone who wanted to become an American citizen and doing it the way the law states what would you think? You have spent years and thousands of dollars to become a US citizen while the LIAR in Chief gives amnesty to those who swam across the Rio Grande river or climbed a fence with a bundle of dope on your back.
FFA, He is in so much trouble with Healthcare, he has decided to wag the dog and start talking about Immigration again. So much for focusing in on the economy like a laser that he promised to do 5 years ago. What happened on that Stimulus that wasn’t a stimulus? Where are all those shovel ready jobs? Oops!
Hey Ron:
I went back to your referenced website again and the number for Looks like 2013 was $672B, which is a year to date number (2013 is not over yet). So if you go to the debt clock I referenced to you, you will see that the debt figure as of this minute is close to $720B up $48B since your website number. Since we still have November and December to go and assuming a $48B run rate that would mean he ends up at about $815 to $820B in racked up debt. My bet? Obama spends closer to another trillion than the US takes in from Taxes. Boy, you should celebrate
Speaking of websites, I have not seen a comment on our powerful $634 Million website that only enrolled 6 applicants the first day it was used. Wow! 6????. For a couple more days, only up to 200+ enrolled in the wonderful exchanges. I am impressed. At this rate, it will take about 2,000 years to get everyone enrolled in government sponsored healthcare. I seem to remember they wanted to enroll 7 million by March. I think that figure may be out of reach at this point.
Agent- Yep, 6 applicants and they all spoke Spanish and arrived last week after they smuggled some dope across the border. They enrolled after they got their drivers license , emergency Medicaid card and cash from the welfare office.
Sargeant, I would bet a months income that none of the 6 enrolled were the young and healthy this administration is counting on. My money is on the PreX people desperate to get any coverage. Fill that website up with enough sick people and see what the rates do in the coming months.
On a comparative basis, my web sit can accommodate 8000 at one time. I haven’t had 8000 on at one time, but the server says it can.
Sarge,
One other thing, the U.S. fiscal year ended on September 30, which menas 2013 IS over for this purpose. Remeber the governement shutdown that began on Octoiber 1. There is a reason it began then.
You just lost your bet.
Now there is some poor typing skills. ;-)
So Ron, if your statement is correct, we have a head start on the next fiscal year of debt after the debt ceiling is raised in October. It shouldn’t be hard to reach that trillion dollar mark at this rate, should it. The debt clock passed $17 Trillion with a T and you are claiming they are fiscally responsible. Are you from the same planet and Planet?
Agent,
What you meant to say is; because, not if, my statement is correct…
Right now we have no idea what the total debt for fiscal year 2014 will be. You may very well be right, but let’s see.
Agent,
If you cannot find a source that shows spending is increasing, then please let us know. Otherwise, put up or shut up!!
Sargeant, when the debt deal was reached to increase the limit, we automatically acquired $350 billion in new debt. We still have two months left in the calendar year. Even with more revenue coming in, we will still be pushing $1Trillion yet again. Poor Ron still thinks we are spending less with Obama. I am sure he will trot out another government website filled with false data to try to prove his point. We know how trustworthy the government is, don’t we? Lie, lie, lie and tell it as much as possible and the low information voters will believe it. Just like Orwell’s Ministry of Information in the book 1984.
Agent,
1. Fiscal Year 2013 ended on 9/31/2013
2. Provide one source, any source, that shows spending is increasing.
Typical from the right, keeping saying something until it becomes a fact.
Correction: 9/30/2013
Sarge,
It is called trending.
I have never praised President Obama, only showed how economic results during his term compare to other Presidents. If you do not know the difference, I cannot help you.
I was looking at the clock and noticed a couple of positive trends.
1. US Federal spending is decreasing
2. US Federal deficit is decreasing
3. GDP is increasing
4. Tax Revenue is increasing
5. Small business, corporate and household assets are each increasing
Of course there are also very negative trends such as:
1. US National Debt increasing
2. Unfunded liabilities increasing.
3. Most of the Largest Budget Items increasing.
What was the line several years ago? “It’s about jobs stupid”
Here’s the telling trend Ron- there’s less people working full time in the US now than when he took office!
That Sir is a total fail.
Jack,
Everyone knows that creating more jobs is important, but that is not the President’s job. How come you cannot admit that President Obama is not destroying this economy based on the numbers? All you have is one data point, Labor Participation Rate, that has gotten worse since he took office.
What has Congress (Democratic Senate and the Republican House) done to improve the Labor Participation Rate? If they cannot work together to put forth a jobs bill for the President to either sign or veto, it is their fault.
President Obama is NOT a dictator.
Ron, you obviously have a limited understanding of most subjects and don’t remember what was said by your President. Do you not remember him saying 5 years ago that he was going to focus like a laser on the economy? The last thing he thought about at night and the first thing in the morning? Instead, he has focuse on everything except the economy and has dug the nation in a deeper hole. Ron, the President has enormous influence on creating conditions to creating jobs. Have you heard of the State of the Union address? That is his bully pulpit to influence events. He can send legislation to Congress to lower taxes, provide incentives to hire for Small Business, but instead has things in place to increase taxes, discourage employers to hire. Are you that dumb? By the way, the House has sent numerous jobs bills to the Senate only to have the minion Reid to trash them. This is all a Progressive failure from the start. Obama is not a dictator, but he thinks he is one. His legacy is of the worst President in modern history.
Agent,
You obviously have no clue about the current political environment.
You dsaid, “He can send legislation to Congress to lower taxes, provide incentives to hire for Small Business, but instead has things in place to increase taxes, discourage employers to hire.” President Obama did send a jobs bill to the Congrees that called for tax cuts to job creators and those who hire military veterans and the long term unemployed. It was shot down because President Obama had the audacity to require it be paid for by increasing some taxes on those who have the means and closing tax loopholes that unfairly benefit the rich. It is called fiscal responsibility.
Here is a summary directly from The House Republicans own website.
http://www.gop.gov/policy-news/11/09/13/summary-of-the-presidents
All Presidents are limited to what Congress will present to be signed or vetoed. Yes, I am putting some blame on Senate Majority Leader Reid.
One more thing, have you renounced your citizenship and moved yet/ Otherwise, President Obama is your President too!!
Ron, in your limited Independent thinking, you are actually looking like an apologist for Obama. I think you are a Democrat in Independent clothing. Your father in law had you pegged just about right. You obviously didn’t realize that raising taxes is not a stimulus for creating jobs in this country. Hey, you got your tax increases last time. How many jobs were created from soaking the well to do? Do you think the miserable month to month job numbers are getting better? More part time than full time doesn’t sound like “Progress” to me. New unemployment claims are varying from 300,000 to 350,000 each month. Keep on blaming Republicans for the fiscal problems dummy. You are not getting anywhere with that tactic. You choose to ignore all the bills for jobs they have sent over only to have them trashed. Obama has not seen one bill because your Buddy Reid will not allow debate or vote on them. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Agent,
You continue to amaze me with your lack of reading comprehension. I did crticize Senate Majority Leader Reid in my post. Remember this line? “Yes, I am putting some blame on Senate Majority Leader Reid.”
You still have not listed all of my progressive viewpoints to prove that I am a Democrat. Yes, I do believe President Obama gets labeled incorrectly as an economy destroyer. I agree that the jobs situation is bad, but you have not provided how it is his fault. That falls on Congress including the Senate Democrats. See I’m blaming the Democrats again. President Obama tried to present a Jobs Bill, but it was shot down. If he were to remove the part to pay for the bill he would have been criticized for increasing the debt. Even when he presents Republican ideas he gets shot down.
However, there are more positive economic indicators than negative. We will see what the debt number is at the end of the 2014 fiscal year, but it has been trebnding down since President Obaba took office regardless of his impact.
Please cite where in the Constitution it indicates that the handling of the economy is the President’s responsibility?
New unemployment claims only tell part of the story. You should be using net jobs to take into account new jobs created. Do you have a source that indicates how many new jobs are part time?
Ron said- “It is called trending”
No Ron it is called DEBT. We are going broke but the trend is a little slower than the last 4 years so it will take just a little more time. WOOHOO
I suppose you think that because unemployment is at 7.2% that we should celebrate as well?
Yes Sargeant, Progressives say Woohoo and trumpet that unemployment is lower and they forgot several million that gave up looking and dropped out and went on disability. The true unemployment rate is north of 15%.
Sarge,
You cannot solve our huge debt problem that has been contributed to for so many years in just a few years. Trending allows to see if something is improving or getting worse.
I am not celebrating anything, but at least I can find some positives to go with the negatives. All you do is find something negative and hold onto it like it is your last cookie.
Ron said- “You cannot solve our huge debt problem that has been contributed to for so many years in just a few years.”
Ok. Ron, “Mr. show me your sources”. You believe that one year of debt less than a trillion dollars (forget about whether or not Bush should have been stuck with Obama’s debt)is a “trend” versus an anomaly? Could it have been the fact that the conservatives forced Sequester cuts, Forced a shutdown (mainly because Obozo would not negotiate) etc.? Could that have had an affect on spending or was it because you believe that the President is such a good debt manager? Show me your sources. LOL
So your position is we don’t need to take immediate and big steps in trying to keep the country from going broke as long as we are “trending” toward bankruptcy. At Obozo’s trending rate, we will be broke before the trend goes from Red to black.
Sarge,
Let’s see if it is an anomaly. Will you concede that you are wrong if the deficit decreases again next year?
Did you not look at the souce I provide. It specified that $253 billion was deducted from the FY 2009 budget of President Bush and applied to President Obama. Let’s look at the annual debt over time:
2002: $421 Billion
2003: $555 Billion
2004: $596 Billion
2005: $554 Billion
2006: $574 Billion
2007: $501 Billion
2008: $1.017 Trillion
2009: $1.632 trillion.(Bush’s deficit without the impact of the Economic Stimulus Act)
2010: $1.652 Trillion
2011: $1.229 Trillion
2012: $1.276 Trillion
2013: $672 Billion
I do not give a rats behind why, my point is that it is trending down since he took office ($672 Billion < $1.652 Trillion). Your side needs to stop saying that the deficit and government spending are increasing when you have not provided one source that says they are and I have provided different sources that indicate they are both decreasing.
Ron, in your liberal Independent brainwashed skull, you continue to amaze me with your BS. You are an apologist no different than James Carvill. Perhaps you should apply for Jay Carney’s job so you can continue to try to defend the policies of your President. You say that Obama is unfairly labeled as an economy destroyer. We have had 5 uninterrupted years of economic malaise in this country and a President who has tried all the Progressive Keynsian spending solutions to no avail and has made things worse for America and then has the audacity to lie about Obamacare which is the biggest job killer ever passed. How do you think his policies are good for America? When is enough enough with you? Are you using the Core Curriculum math taught to you in school. New unemployment claims = 350,000 per month, new part time jobs created = 150,000. Simple math tells me we are losing out by 200,000 per month.
Agent,
CITE YOUR SOURCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are going to cite numbers, you MUST cite your source. Otherwiswe, keep it to yourself. You did not include new full-time jobs in your simple math calculation. I would think that is important.
I am still waiting for the list of my liberal/progressive/socialist viewpoints.
Does economic malaise=a worsen economy? Tat is a VERY important disctinction. I am going under the assumption that you cannot prove staistically the economy is getting WORSE. The only way you can prove me wrong is with statistics and a cited source.
Please list all of President Obama’s implemented Progressive Keynsian spending solutions. I do not want to hear about his ideology, I want to know what is actually in effect.
Enough will be enough when you provide data and a cited source. Otherwise I will discount you as a cluelss blowhard who cannot justify his Economics degree.
I’m doubting he has an Economics Degree at this point, aren you Ron?
Libby,
I have NEVER debated someone with an Economics degree who has been unable to cite the sources of the data and/or statitics they use to support their position. Maybe his degree is in Philosphical Economics.
I think he read a book about Milton Friedman and really, really, really took it to heart. Either that or he’s just a troll.
And for something completely different, check this link out for full story
http://news.yahoo.com/deficit-lowest-since-2008-guide-arguing-212700312.html
Both political parties can have fun with this one, thanks in part to that last line. But before we offer you our helpful cocktail hour talking points, here’s what the drop looks like.
That’s just the deficit since 1980. In the late 1990s, the federal government’s revenue (mostly taxes) was larger than its outlays, yielding a surplus. That used to be the norm. Here, via the Federal Reserve, is the surplus or deficit since 1900. Important note: This is not adjusted to 2012 dollars.
And now, here’s how to argue about this – see link
It’s really all coming together well for the democrats (communist) in this country. The middle class will be destroyed so we have the upper and the lower class. The question is where will you be?
I suggest you use the God given talents you have to make hay while you can. Get out their people and start your own business before regulations realy kick in. Don’t listen to people that are not where you would prefer to be. That person sitting in the cube next to you can’t help! That college prof that’s taught business for 20 years can’t help!
Forget your past failures people. The people or voice that reminds you of those can’t help. The Voice of Truth is a great song. Be faithful, be thankful, turn from the things of this world. You can Win, We can win. He has already won.
Thank you Pastor Jack. Now can you say “Amen” brothers & sisters?
And God Bless America!
Amen to that!
Jack, we all hope God continues to bless America. I know he must be rolling his eyes at what is going on the past decade or so, but there are good people in this country. We just happen to have some bad characters in office which need to go so the country can get back on the right track.
Jack:
That would be good old US work ethic and ingenuity. Capitalism at its best. How anyone can thumb you down for that post is beyond me. That person must be a lazy, entitlement recipient who believes the government owes them a living.
Good post
Sargeant, there are always haters out there who will down thumb me on any post I make. They can’t stand it because I stand up for Conservative values for this country and love to call me wrong when I am right. Poor Ron says that he wants an investigation about Obama’s lying to the American People instead of Impeaching him. You have seen his milk toast replies and he goes right back to blaming the Republicans because he holds them to a higher standard. He is extremely reluctant to blame the Progressive Democrats and he certainly doesn’t hold them to any kind of standard. Have you noticed the new comments from the media apologists now saying Obama just misspoke? Kind of like Clinton saying it depends on the definition of is is. Misspeaking is not so bad according to them even if it is the biggest lie we have ever heard from a President.
And ditto, Agent…
Some go so far as to censor me until my comments are hidden. Gee, wonder who that could have been???
Just an observation – this one has wandered off topic… The topic of Obama is a liar.
ALL POLITICIANS ARE LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEP. Absolutely… You bet! Yes indeed. Not gonna get an argument form anyone on this topic….
Aren’t you tiered of it? When is enough enough?
That is why I am voting against every incumbent, regardless of part affiliation. It is the only way I know to send a message. Could you imagine if every voter did the same? Now that would be a wake up call.
I’m on board. That’s how I voted last election. Hopefully people will do the same in the Mid Terms…
Ron, I am interested in knowing whether you think the numerous lies this President has said over and over rises to the level of High Crimes & Misdemeanors. Please don’t make excuses that he didn’t know what he was saying. He knew exactly what he was saying. By the way, Clinton was impeached for lying to a Federal Grand Jury over a sexcapade with an intern. Nixon would have been impeached for lying about a break in by political operatives during an election campaign. He resigned before they could impeach him. I think when a President lies to 320 million Americans on National TV several dozen times and intentionally misleads them, that rises to the level of Impeachment. I don’t think you can find your answer on a website. You will have to think this out on your own.
Ron,
DING DING DING. And here we are again:
What message are you sending? You don’t want the ACA.
In 2010 you guys voted out the democrat congress, independents. Then you voted against independents in 2012. Good job. ACA is still there.
Vote per policy and what a party aims to do.
Not the “vote out incumbents”. Are you aware that the democrats saw the 2012 victory as the “obama care is what people want” mantra? They didn’t see it that people were upset with them.
You independants are what is wrong. VOTE PER POLICY.
If you don’t like ACA and want lower spending (most of you do) VOTE IN THE GUYS WHO SAY THEY WILL BRING IT DOWN, AND ARE ALLOWING THE SEQUESTER TO GO THROUGH.
Seriously, Ron, pay attention to politics. Jesus Christ. When you complain about the ACA again and say you want smaller government, I’m going to just tell you to silence your mouth. You had the ability to shape policy and you chose your “vote out the incumbents” strategy. I may as well use the christmas tree method, and then complain when it doesn’t cause policy change.
Should read: voted out democrats in 2010 to get rid of ACA. And then you voted out incumbents who tried to get rid of the ACA in 2012.
Now you’re complaining, that the 2012 republican congress is trying to get rid of the ACA, rather than the democrats who refused to let the republicans pass a budget without the ACA which would have killed it.
I mean really. Learn to vote. Learn how to get mad at the correct side.
Also: The jobs costed was 20,000 and we supposedly lost 20 billion in the economy. If 20,000 jobs cost 20 billion, we have a problem Ron, and the ending of the spending was a good thing, not a bad one, in the government shut down.
Agent,
I am in no position to make any determination whether or not Articles of Impeachment, not impeachment papers as you previously referred to them, should or should not be drawn up against President Obama. However, I would have far more respect for the Republicans in the House if they spent more time looking into that than repealing, defunding and delaying the PPACA. Oh I forgot, fear of being called a racist is by far more important than removing a President who has committed high crimes through lying, trampled upon the Constitution, and destroyed our economy beyond repair.
Ron, the delay now is OBamas sole responsibility. He laid out an unrealistic time frame. He hired a hack contractor. Sent American Tax Payer dollar out of the country. He started this because of 17 Mil people. Created an issue for an additional 18M people. Wait till the employer mandate rolls out. Another 75M (unconfirmed) people. The 2x strategy don’t work at the black jack table, why on earth does he expect it to work in the health care market???
Hey Ron, Some tell bigger whoppers than others do and then repeat it 39 times on tape. The chickens have come home to roost.
As IF we didn’t have quality coverage in the past. Most Americans had very good insurance with options they chose to have or not have such as maternity. The reason people are getting these notices is because maternity wasn’t part of their CHOSEN plan and now does not CONFORM to the new more expensive plans that Obama is forcing us to have. And just let me clarify – yes women in the past paid more for their premium because women typically go to the doctor more than men – but now men will be paying the higher premium too if you thought the government would switch it the other way around and lowering the premium to balance out the playing field – I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. I love the way the democratic spin doctors, including Obama try to spin this in the positive – 6 people signed up the first day – 250 the next! (((Crickets))) And, what kind of security did those people who actually signed have on all their personal information? If I were any of them I’d be canceling my credit/debit card and opening new bank accounts. People are starting to wake up and smell the coffee these days and the democrats are looking pretty stupid for thinking that we are that dumb. Obama couldn’t possibly be that clueless but I’ll give him credit where credit it due – he is one hell of a liar.
So Ron, I thought you would have trouble on the Impeachment issue. What a typical milk toast reply. You are in no position to make a determination of whether the totality of lies rises to the level of Impeachment? I guess you couldn’t find a website to tell you what to think and whether the actions of this President broke the public trust. Don’t you realize the credibility of this President is 0 now? By the way, there is a good reason why Republicans continued to try to repeal or defund Obamacare. It is terrible policy as has been born out in the facts and reality. Now, they need to get on with Impeachment for the huge lies he has foisted on the American People.
Agent,
I am a realist. I do not have the power to bring Articles of Impeachment against any President, so why are you asking me? If I had that authority I would do thorough investigation and not base my decision on rhetoric from anyone.
If the president has zero credibility, yet a higher approval rating than Republicans, what does that say about the credibility of Republicans? Can you have a negative credibility rating?
You have no clue what my biggest problem is with Republicans. They are wasting my taxes and endangering the economy on a failed strategy. Repealing the PPACA will not work until they iether; 1.get a veto-proof majority in the Senate and House, or. 2. Get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, maintain their majority in the House, and win the 2016 Presidential Election.
If you know of another feasible way to accomplish this, please let them know. They obviously have no clue since the PPACA has been a law (not a bill) for 3 1/2 years.
Ron, instead of using rhetoric from me or anyone else that has eyes and a brain, why not use the rhetoric of your President to make up your mind? There are dozens of examples of this huge lie available for your review. Why do you need an investigation? That is the stock answer from the administration every time they get caught with their lies and deceptions. Benghazi happened 14 months ago and the investigation is still going on. How about you hold them responsible for this mess instead of saying you need an investigation. I had to laugh that you saying you hold Republicans responsible for wasting your tax money. What do you think your Democratic friends have been doing with your tax money? Endangering the economy? Do you think the Democratic strategy is helping the economy? It is time to call this what it is, a ruinous policy that is bankrupting the economy. By the way, the Democrats in Congress have just as low a rating as the Republicans. Overall rating is about 12% the last time I checked. Time for a complete turnover in 14 and make this guy the lamest of ducks and this so called law is imploding daily. Bad law, terrible implementation and huge waste of taxpayer dollars.
Agent,
I have repreatedly expressed my disappointment that the Benghazi terrorist attack occurred and how it was handled by the Obama Administration.
I hold Republicans to a higher standard because they are supposedly the party of fiscal responsiblity. I have no more Democratic friends than Republicans. There is no data that indicates that the economy, even with an historically low Labor Participation Rate, is getting worse. It may not be improving at an acceptable rate, but that is different than getting worse.
Until the Republicans come up with a better strategy to win elections and turn their ideas and policies into law, it does not matter how much better their ideology is than the Democrats.
I highly doubt we will see a complete turnover next year due mostly to people like you who will continue to vote for a letter than to send a message. I will do my part and vote against any incumbent, regardless of party affiliation. Will you have the courage to do the same? If our representatives will not pass a law for term limits, let the people do it.
Agent, I’m curious why you keep referring to Misdemeanors when discussing the possibility of impeachment.
jw, you should look up the history of Presidential Impeachments. The standard for calling for Impeachment is “High Crimes & Misdemeanors”. Of course, lying about Obamacare fits more with High Crimes than it does Misdemeanors. Nixon’s issue started out with Misdemeanors and escalated to High Crimes when he lied about his involvement and hid the truth for so long. Clinton’s lying about the intern was to a Federal Jury. Most on the left said it was none of our business about his lies, but doing it in front of a Federal Jury you are sworn to tell the truth to made it very serious.
Funny…. I scrolled through the posts. Seems the people that used to defend the liar are no longer defending him. Seems like people are wandering off defending the topic of OBama Care and on to other issues.
I think we may have found common ground – Get rid of this thing. Get rid of the Liar.
So FFA, the New York Times, one of the most liberal defenders of this administration published a story that the President merely “misspoke” when he promised the American People that if they liked their coverage, they could keep it and if they liked the doctor, they could keep him. Misspeaking is the typical parsing of words that liberals do to keep from admitting it was all a lie. Somehow, misspeaking is more acceptable than lying.
There was also a cartoon out that had Obama with his famous utterance – If you like your plan, you can keep it, Period. The adjacent cartoon had him saying – All those whose name isn’t period are on their own.
Check this out. This is humorous (no it is funny.) It is called “Hitler finds out about Obamacare”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3-RKS0_NKk
Correct Sargeant. This law and the administration are in total denial at this point. I am sure we will still have some defenders on this blog, but not as many. You, I, FFA, Integrity, Always Amazed, Perplexed and many others have been predicting this for some time only to be criticized and insulted by the left. They say that the next mid terms will not be affected by this disaster. I tend to disagree. Democrats are very vulnerable to being shown the door.
It was common sense Agent. The land of hope & dreams has turned to anger and blame… At the end of the day, he lied to us.
They are ALL vulnerable to being shown the door if I have anything to do with it.
And who thumbed down my Amen to the God Bless America post? Agent? Sarge? What haters.
It wasn’t me Libby. Anyone who says God Bless America gets my like. It may have been some of the godless leftists that didn’t like your post, ever think of that?
Hey Sargeant, I saw a picture on the net today and was a take off on the movie, Lion King. It was a picture of Obama with a blonde mane and lion’s ears and it was titled – Lyin King. Do you agree with me and FFA that this is all about lying to the American People dozens of times? The media seems to have awakened some from their 5 year slumber and many are dropping off the bandwagon including CNN.
Agent, I cant agree with you on the “that this is all about lying to the American People dozens of times?” Add a zero…
I suppose you are right FFA. If we go back as far as 08 when he was running and then every time he opens his mouth in countless speeches since then, it would have to number in the hundreds by now on the lies. I have heard that there are 39 tapes available on this gigantic lie. When will enough be enough? Transparency, accountability, basic truth? Even Joe Trippi said Obama was trying to spin his way out of it and he is only painting himself further into the corner.
Here is another one. This is Jon Stewart and look at what he says about Obamacare. True and funny. When the Libs lose Jon Stewart they have a problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7InS-xW1LCI
Good stuff Sarge!!!
Sarge,
Jon Stewart will target whomever will get the most laughs and ratings. The reason he is against the PPACA is because he is for a single payer, universal health care system. I do not think Liberals fear losing Jon Stewart.
I have not seen the data that says Jon Stewart is for a single payer system. Please provide your source. Isn’t that what you say but never do?. Also, then I guess, using your post that all of the hate thrown on conservatives is “Just for Laughs”. Here is another “source” for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-nX5YsKHBQ
Looks like problems in communismville to me. I find it ironic and funny that when a lot of liberals get hit in the wallet, that they all of the sudden don’t want to be a liberal any longer. Or they only want to be a liberal on issues where someone else has to pay.
By the way- check out Rachel “Ima mad” Maddow’s face while Maher is talking. It looks like someone had a flatulence problem on the set- LOL!!!
Sarge,
What data do you need to prove his position on health care? Do you even know the difference between data and opinion?
How often do you watch The Daily Show? He has mentioned multiple times during his many shows that he favors a single payer, universal health care.
I cannot access videos at work, so I will provide examples of him saying that later.
In addition, I am deeply offended that you have incorrectly implied that I do not provide sources of my information. I go out of my way to do that and use sources from all sides (CNN, FoxNews, Forbes, the Economist, governement and non-government sites for economic data).
I find it ironic that states with Republican/Conservative leanings who complain about our deficit actually contribute the most to the deficit.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union
People have previously pointed out that this data is 4 years old, but they cannot provide a source to more recent data. I am guessing that it may actually be worse for the “red” states.
Ron:
Ok I withdraw my comment that you never provide sources. I change that to say, the sources you provide only support your flawed liberal positions and in many cases are fodder. While amusing they circumvent the problems facing the economy and the US.
So answer the question I posed above- Who should pay for the website fiasco (which was down 12 hours at one time over the weekend)? The US taxpayers who paid for it the first time or the contractors or should we take it out of Obama’s Sebelious’s, Pelosi’s, Reid and Rangel’s pockets since they wanted it so bad in the first place? We could confiscate their paychecks until the retire then take some amount every month until it is paid off? What say you Ron?
Sarge,
I agree that the taxpayers should not foot the bill for the website fiasco. Take it from the contractor, Secretary Sebelius, President Obama or anyone else who needs to be held accountable. Anything to help lower the deficit further.
I have a question for you. Should we withhold all federal funding to states that currently show a net deficit with the federal government until they pay us back?
Sarge,
Please list all of my liberal positions. I have asked Agent to do this several times, but, as usual, he has failed. Maybe you can do a better job.
One other thing. How come I see very few sources cited by you and other Conservative/Republican posters? I always ask for a source to dispute mine, but very, very few are actually provided.
Ron – knee jerk reaction – YES. Not just the feds gone over board on spending…
Come on Ron, take it for what its worth, funny stuff. That’s it.
He would be publicly executed in some countries for his remarks.
That kind of stuff reminds us all that we do live in the greatest country in the world regardless of what goes on in DC.
Dear Sergeant Major: let’s take the expenses to run the website out of the profits we made from all that Iraq oil during the Bush war.
Well thee of little intelligence, Obama has had 6 years to bring oil from Irag, Afghanistan (a war he escalated and sent in more troop), Syria, Libya. Where is that oil?
When has the Govt at any level turned a profit on Anything???? Ever???
Dear Sergeant Major, For the record, there were no oil profits from the Iraq war – just death and expenses under the Bush years. Yeah, I know, you were just being patriotic not to notice.
FFA – the government is not in the business of turning a profit. That’s why it’s called the government and not a business.
Libby – someone needs to tell my local city hall that. You would not believe what they are doing. But then again, Ill Politicians are above the law.
Didn’t the Feds turn a profit off of the AIG Bail Out? (No Sarcasm, I thought I remember seeing something in the IJ)
And one unrelated note towards Libby-
Did you catch what Nick Foles (Philly B/U QB) did on Sunday?
7 td passes with a perfect passer rating. Even the great Peyton Manning never did that.
Yes, I did see that game. My husband had a bet going and that was one of our swing games. I ended up losing the bet, so an extra $50 is going into the savings account from me! Grrrrrrr…
Jeezz Libby – Cant swap a service for $50.00????? Of course, savings in this day and age is very important. No one knows for sure how long they will be working…
Why FFA! That would make me one of those names Perplexed and Amazed have been calling me all this time! No, I give it away for free! LOL!
Whats the diffi between beer nuts and deer nuts???
Bear Nuts cost $!.25 and deer nuts are always under a buck.
FFA- Very good. I might have to put that in my repertoire!
Especially if your a visitor to the UP.
The UP is great, snowmobiles are everywhere and you can go from the Mackinac Bridge all the way deep into Wisconsin on a snowmobile if you want to. Great people, great food, and great fun.
Done there, did that. If only they would keep the groomers running through the week end, you would attract more visitors. Tues through Thurs best days to Smobile in Mich.
Actually Sarge, from where I live in IL, I can get to Lake Superior by S Mobile. Long hard ride, but do-able… Been to Lake Geneva from my house. Long – very long ride. I couldn’t imagine how long & sore I would be after riding all the way through WI and across the UP.
FFA – Do you know what two does do on a Saturday night?
Go down to the Elks Club and blow a few bucks!
Good one Libby.
Penguin drives into an auto repair shop. Mechanic says give me an hour or so to diagnose the problem. Penguin goes and grabs a bite to eat. Comes back to the shop and the mechanic says – Looks like you blew a seal. Penguins says No – Its just mayonnaise.
LOL!
FFA said- Seems the people that used to defend the liar are no longer defending him. Seems like people are wandering off defending the topic of OBama Care and on to other issues.
Exactly, All of the sudden they say “All Politicians are liars! vote them all out” LOL, they go from- Conservative politicians are the problem and are heartless etc, to ALL of them are liars- LOL. Never do they say, these Democrat idiots, socialists, tax dependent slugs are the problem. Now all of the sudden it is all of them. That is until they can find a straw to grip and then go back on the attack. Right now they want a little love from the right by saying its’ all of us- What a bunch of Rubes
Sargeant, I have been criticized by the leftist bloggers on this site for upholding the Conservative Cause. It is amazing that when the government has not tried Consevatism, they think it is bad. What do they think they have now? Is it good for this country to be run by leftist liars? I have yet to find a Conservative Democrat to vote for. They are blind lemmings married to the Socialist cause. Back when Obamacare was due to be passed, the few Blue Dogs that were at least moderate got intimidated or bought off to vote for this travesty and they promptly lost in the mid terms. I also have an aversion to RINO’s since they are part of the problem, not the solution. Thank God I live in Texas where there are not many RINO’s. At that, I will vote for a Conservative challenger in a primary if the office holder has been in office for a while. We got rid of Kay Bailey Hutchison the last time and I am waiting for someone to challenge Cornyn in the Senate race. My Congressman is very Conservative so I don’t have a problem with him. Have you got someone in Michigan to stand up and be counted?
Agent,
Who is your Congressman?
Agent,
2 more simple questions:
1. Where was Ted Cruz born?
2. What year did his father become a US citizen?
By the way, CNN this morning, (as well as Fox and NBC) said that it is projected that 12 to 15 million US Citizens will those their current healthcare plans only to be forced to TRY and sign up for Obamacare at a much HIGHER premium. Now that is a promise kept by the President!
He is trading 12 to 15 million people who had insurance that they liked and PAID FOR IT to give 15 million people who don’t have insurance and will get subsidized or free insurance- Great, hat will keep those premiums down and AFFORDABLE.
They also said that almost 100% of those that have signed up, as of Friday were mostly all Medicaid recipients. Where are all those 2008 and 2012 college students that thought they were going to get “free health insurance” when they were on college campuses recruiting Obama voters? They will now have to pay and unless they have work provided coverage with an exempt company, pay big.
Now would that be students with extra funds just lying around after tuition and books, housing and food. You really think students were part of the intended revenue stream for healthcare? Students? Really? Students are intended to be covered under their parent’s health care.
Perahps you are thinking of young adults. Out of college. Over 26. The women will sign. The men think they are going to live forever and never need to see a doctor. At any age. Probably be why the croak earlier.
As for the 12 to 15 million, if it didn’t meet minimum standards of coverage, what good was it anyway? Did you hear about the lady in LA who was on TV who was being cancelled and had to pay more under the ACA. A consumer reported contacts her to compare plans. Turns out her old insurance only allowed two offices visits a year. Two offices visits a year. Turns out she was pleased with her new ACA policy after it was explained to her that her new policy actually provided more usable coverage.
Well crackhead, yes they were a part of the overall healthcare plan in ACA. First they were allowed to stay on their parents plan until age 26. That costs money. Two it is a known fact that after the age of 26 and when they become a taxpayer they will have to buy Obamacare. So those “students”, if they graduated and got jobs are required to buy health insurance or pay the fine. Obama is counting on it and they will have to subsidize the elderly and the deadbeats. If they don’t it will probably implode quick.
Celtica said- As for the 12 to 15 million, if it didn’t meet minimum standards of coverage, what good was it anyway”
Who are you or anyone else to say whether it was good enough or not? If the person who bought it liked it who is anyone to say it was “substandard”. So you think that people past their child bearing years should pay for maternity care, pediatrics, Drug rehab, Viagra, birth control pills etc??
Fact is he lied about keeping your insurance, keeping your doctor and a cost reduction
“Two it is a known fact that after the age of 26 and when they become a taxpayer they will have to buy Obamacare.”
After age 26 and BEFORE they become a taxpayer? 8 years out of high school and 4 years out of college and they still aren’t tax paying citizens? What’s wrong with your kids?
My daughter is sitting there with her hand out. She finally gets a job 35 hours a week. Along comes Obama care and the employer cuts her hours down to under 25. Reason cited – They want to keep their doors open but can not afford Obama Care.
Article in IJ yesterday – Nice little package for a Chamber of Commerce Member (Forget which Muni) kicking 140 Groups to the curb because of – yes you guessed it – OBama Care.
Well, I guess she will as long as you let her. Me? I couldn’t wait to get out on my own. Left when I was 17 and been doing it on my own since then.
If it were not for the Grand Kids, she would have been out long ago. Looking like a custody fight is in the making after the crap that’s gone on the last few days….
She has just got so accustomed to the govt just giving her money. For three years, she was unemployed and still got a sizable tax refund. Tell me how someone don’t pay a nickel in taxes and get refunds? As a result of this Farm/Crop bill Bull Shit, they cut her food stamps from over $700 @ months down to $250 @ months. Guess who gets to pick up that slack.
My kids graduated college in 4 years, with honors. One is working in the finance group of a very large Automobile manufacturer, another owns her own business. All started paying taxes by the time they were 22 years of age. My son will finish his masters degree courtesy of his employer. So my kids never hung around until 26, went to work and are paying their share. They get healthcare from their employer but have friends who are going to get the shaft. According to the friends, they are not going to sign up, let them catch me and fine me.
This Individual Health problem is just the tip of the iceberg Sargeant. The one year reprieve for Group will be up next year and then employers plans will also be cancelled for not meeting the mandate. So much for keeping the coverage if you liked it. By the way, there are hundreds of suits on the birth control issue and a Federal Court just ruled in one case that it was unlawful to force a business to provide it if the owners had religious objections. I believe it was tied to Catholics in this case. I hope the Group mandate hits right in the middle of the mid terms. Democrats are running scared now and 1/3rd of the Senate is up for grabs.
It probably will. Oct 1st is the magical date with an effective date of Jan, 1 2015. Mid Terms on Nov 14th.
I know I am kicking my group coverage. No more insurance for my employees… Writing Off exchange policies.
You are right FFA. Kids have grown accustomed to having the parents give them everything and later the government, they have no incentive to get out and work for a living. I call them the failure to launch crowd. As long as they have their smart phone or tablet, get three squares, free housing and benefits, why would they work. I saw an article yesterday that 33.4% of working adults who have lost their job have no intention of going back to work since they know where the gravy train is. That is a sad testimony about the Entitlement mentality brought on by Progressive Government.
I call it the Generation of Entitlement. One of my summer interns thinks he is going to walk out of NIU and command $60,000… I told him to wear a cup around because he is going to get a kick in the .
Sargeant, I wonder how many of the 12-15 million are the Individual policies being cancelled with kids under age 26 on them. Sorry son, you have to find your own way now. The President said they should just “shop around”. Oops! No website to shop around on. Do a paper app and mail it in. Oops! It has to get in the line for someone to enter it on the website that doesn’t work. Good luck getting coverage before they tax you for not having it. By the way, I hope your Identity is not stolen on the unsecure website that wasn’t tested for security.
“President Barack Obama’s advisers deliberately crafted his signature healthcare law to fulfill his oft-repeated promise: those who like their insurance can keep it.”
The biggest lie IJ ever told, and there have been many. You cannot provide any proof of this, yet proof of the opposite is everywhere. But IJ asks, “Who ya gonna believe, me or your lyin’ eyes?”
Libtards all think alike – if they say ANYthing to critics, however ridiculous, they have won the argument.
As to the increased cost of health insurance for those whose current health insurance policies are being cancelled, it is simply more evidence that Obamacare is just a massive re-distribution of wealth – the very promise he made during his 2008 campaign that he has kept. He’ll lie to those who are paying the freight but keep his promises (and never lie) to those on the receiving end of his re-distribution programs – which comprise the bulk of his and his party’s voting base.
Continued journey along his path will lead to the virtual destruction of the middle class that he professes to protect (another lie). He and his party only want a middle class to fund the costs of their entitlement programs but not be able to realize their own dreams or advance themselves beyond that level. Meantime, their wealthy supporters (including the Hollywood types) will be kept around to fund election campaigns. It’s a nice, tight, perpetual, socialistic political system they are aiming for the that will consist of only one political party in control of everything and everybody. It is what is being taught in our colleges and universities these days despite the evidence all around the world that it just keeps pushing their envelope.
Here is another one from my Deer Hunting Pal in Northern WI –
A man kills a deer and takes it home to cook for dinner. Both he and his wife decide that they won’t tell the kids what kind of meat it is, but will give them a clue and let them guess. The kids were eager to know what the meat was on their plates, so they begged their dad for the clue. Well, he said, ‘It’s what mummy calls me sometimes’. The little girl screams to her brother ‘Don’t eat it, it’s an a-shole..
Good one FFA. How are your Bears going to fare tonight against the Packers? They had a bye to get ready. Hopefully, the new quarterback will do well and give them a chance.
My Cowgirls had another heart stopper Sunday. Romo almost gave the game away again by throwing an interception late in the game. Luckily they weren’t playing a good team in Minnesota who gave them another chance. Winning the game in the last 30 seconds is not the way to operate aganinst a 1-7 team. My prediction is intact on an 8-8 season but that still may be enough to win the division since it is the weakest in pro football.
Agent, your sitting on the top of the division. Take them as you can…
The Bears need to keep Rodgers off the field tonight. I think McCowen will be ok. Need Fortes wheels churning. Our Linebackers are suspect. Letting Nick Roach walk last off season proving to be a poor decision. Two starts down for the count and forcing two rookies into action. Bostic will be ok, but he is a rookie. The other guy, I don’t even know his name. I know this – Tillman needs to be on the field.
Bitter sweet for me as I have Eddie Lacy on my Fantasy Team and I need him scoring. Betting with my head. Cheering with my heart. With the injury to Sproals, I’m in trouble this week….
Yes, Dallas is on top of the weakest division in pro football. It looks like Philly and Washington have righted the ship some and even NY is playing better. Dallas squeaked by on the skin of their teeth against a 1-7 team on their home field. They should have lost that game like they did against Denver. You are right that the Bears should just churn it out on the Packers and keep Rogers off the field as much as possible or it could get ugly. Perhaps McCown can keep it simple and not throw any pick 6’s and give the game away. I will be rooting for them.
Agent – As a life long suffering Cub Fan, take it while you can.
Hey FFA, Congrats to your Bears for winning in Green Bay last night. It was a very good game. No one wants to see a quarterback get hurt, but when Rogers went out with a shoulder injury, that took a lot of wind out of the Packers sails. It was backup against backup then and the Bears really took it to them. How about that last drive? 9 minutes used up on the clock, didn’t leave the Packers any time and playing aggressive defense instead of “prevent” like Dallas plays. I hope Dallas defensive coaches were watching so they could learn something about how to finish a game. McCown is an excellent quarterback and took care of the ball.
If you recall, my analysis was to keep Rodgers off the field and Fortes’ wheels going..
The story out on Rogers is that he has a broken collarbone. Life can be hazardous in the NFL. It wasn’t a dirty hit, but he came down just right on the shoulder and pop. Green Bay may do some struggling coming down the stretch which may help the Bears & Lions in the playoff chase.
Same way Wooten ended Brets’ career. Wooten did that in his rookie year. He was a no name. Playing on the frozen field at Gopher Stadium the year the Dome came down.
Well FFA, Cutler tried to come back, but he was clearly not the same and they lost. Dallas has about half the team out on injured reserve or for several weeks. They have used 17 different defensive lineman this year. That has to be some kind of record. I kind of doubt they will be 8-8 this year. In fact, there are probably no more than 4 or 5 teams that are much better than mediocre in the NFL. Parity and injuries to key players keep many teams down.
FFA, too bad the Bears didn’t start McCown again. They might have won. It is also too bad that Drew Breese didn’t come down with the flu on Sunday night. I had a feeling he was going to have a big night against the now 5-5 Cowgirls. Actually, Spruels had a big night against them as well. Cannot be covered by linebackers, especially free agent linebackers. Lacy had a good game for the Pack, but he was all they had with no quarterback in attendance. The Eagles have resurged and I look for them to sail right on to win the NFC East under Foles. He is a good young quarterback and brings more to the table than Vick.
++Celtica says: Integrity: If integrity matters, then provide the Constitutional and Bible passages that allow you the right to waste natural resources. Otherwise, you are just ranting.++
If you can afford to buy them, you can do whatever you want with them. Who are you to tell me that I’m wasting something I’ve paid for?
Jesus told a parable about a man who promised a day’s wages to idle workers if they’d work in his field. He went back to the field several times and promised more workers the same thing. When everyone was paid a day’s wages, those who were there since morning complained that the ones that came to work later were paid the same thing. The man who hired them said, “Didn’t you get what I promised you? Why do you complain how I spend my money?”
So there’s your (paraphrased) biblical passage. Now you give us a biblical passage that allows you to tell me how to spend my money, what to eat, what to drive, how to procure health care, or that lends ANY support for socialism, let alone tyranny.
Dear Al, you may not aware of this, but the bible has no passages that address driving cars. Maybe it’s because there were no cars then. And maybe that’s while government should not be in the bible thumping business. Just a guess.
But as respects healthcare, I cite Luke 6.31 as a moral compass:
Do to others as you would have them do to you.
Celtica, Jesus said while dying on the cross – Father, forgive them because they know not what they do. I wish I could be more forgiving for the damage Progressives are doing to this country because it is abundantly clear that they know not what they do and the USA is suffering because of it.
Agent – we know you can’t be more forgiving. You’re nothing like Jesus.
I didn’t profess to be Libby. I will never forgive a Progressive Socialist for the damage they have done. You should be angry at them as well. I am sure you liked their parsing of words that your President simply just misspoke. This guy makes Slick Willy look like a choir boy.
Celtica, do you where in the bible it states – Thou shall not lie?? Isn’t that one of the big 10??? Of course, to Non Christians, I guess that don’t really matter.
Al – You righties just can’t get down from your pulpit, can you? Always spouting some bible verse to support your position, no matter how twisted.
Yes Libby, the truth hurts, doesn’t it? By the way, it is not twisted to tell the truth, but it is twisted to lie about the biggest travesty ever visited upon the American People.
It’s twisted to use God in every argument because you have nothing else to back you up. Blasphemy!
++Celtica says: Integrity: If integrity matters, then provide the Constitutional and Bible passages that allow you the right to waste natural resources. Otherwise, you are just ranting.++
We await your citations from the Constitution also. Please cite the abortion clause, the food stamp clause, the govt run health care clause, the Medicare and Medicaid clauses, the Social Security Clause…
Dear Al:
The Constution does not address the stupidity of wasting natural resources. I leave that to the Tea Party to exploit.
As respects health care in the Constitution, I reference Supreme Court case No. 11–393 which was decided in favor of the ACA.
Since I didn’t bring up the food stamp, medicare/medicaid and SS clauses, no need for me to cite them.
Ron said- Your side needs to stop saying that the deficit and government spending are increasing when you have not provided one source that says they are and I have provided different sources that indicate they are both decreasing.
Ok Ron, here is two sources. Fact of the matter is, Obama has spent more money and accumulated more debt than any President in history. He has no intention of cutting anything and in fact wants the debt ceiling to be raised continually as he will when this rolls around again.
When Obama took over as President the deficit was just at 10 Trillion dollars. Additionally, the GDP was 14.384 Trillion. So the Debt to GDP ratio was 68%. Today Obama has (as of the end of the “Fiscal” year) Accumulated 16.738 Trillion in debt while the GDP has only grown to 16.661 trillion or 100% debt to GDP ratio. So Mr. Obama will, by the time he leaves office will have doubled the debt, lied to everyone in the country about numerous issues and put in place the worst healthcare solution in US history, all while blaming it on anyone he can think of (Insurance companies, Romney, substandard insurance plans, George Bush and the hale bop comet).
http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/a/National-Debt-by-Year.htm
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Sarge,
Did you even look at your sources?
One is referencing the debt, which I have already admitted is a problem and increasing, and the other shows spending and the deficit ctually decreasing which supports my position.
Try again.
Celtica said- “Dear Sergeant Major, For the record, there were no oil profits from the Iraq war –”
We know that you simpleton. The original idea was to trade oil for the cost of the war, not “oil profits from the Iraq war”. Are you normally this way or are you on crack?
So where is all the oil Obama brought home in his 6 years in office?
Actually Sargeant, he has been busy trying to make Solar Panels that don’t work, wind farms that don’t work, electric cars that don’t work or sell, making gas from algae, switchgrass or cow dung and these venture companies have mostly gone belly up after getting millions from the taxpayers. Meanwhile, he tells Brazil we will be their best customer after giving them money to drill offshore and I don’t think he ever approved Keystone even after the studies have all shown it is viable and should be done. This country has more oil and gas resources than the entire Middle East and we should be a net exporter of energy instead of buying oil from people that hate us.
Agent- Ha pretty good. You are correct. He was also played Ostrich and knew nothing about Benghazi, knew nothing about Fast and Furious, had nothing to do with the ACA website debacle, was out telling those people he lied to that their insurance was “substandard” and blamed the healthcare problems on t insurance companies and Republicans. Evidently he does not know that health insurance companies are one of the most strictly regulated industries (state regulated) in the US. So he essentially is also telling all the states that they approved “substandard” plans.
Who needs oil? He wants us to walk, hitchhike or pay 60K for a roller skate that is battery powered.
Yes Sargeant, If we had healthcare plans that were better like the Cadillac plans, those will be taxed heavily. The unions didn’t like that much since their hard won negotiated plans were far superior to anything Obamacare offered. Jimmy Hoffa, Jr has gone ballistic when he saw what was coming. The good news is that it might be the end of organized labor that we have known for the past 100 years or so. Why would the typical union member continue to pay dues for this load of crap?
Again, Agent, you are wrong. Venezuela has the most, followed by Saudi Arabia, and then Canada.
Wrong again Libby. The US proven reserves are far greater than the entire Middle East, Venezuela and Canada. Of course, we are not allowed to develop it, but it is there. Read up on the Bakken basin in North Dakota, Wyoming & Montana sometime. That is just one area. We aren’t even talking about all the new discoveries awaiting production. Unfortunately, a lot of it is on government land and Obama has said no to that. Most drilling activity is done on state land and it is still going strong at that.
That’s right, Agent. We don’t want the whole country looking like your Texas wasteland. We want to preserve our natural resources, no exploit them.
You moan and groan about leaving our children with debt, but you don’t mind ruining the planet that will be left behind for them!
Texas is not a wasteland Libby. Apparently you have never visited this state so you just pop off as usual. We take very good care of our natural resources. Are you against Pennsylvania exploring for more energy and doing fracking for natural gas? I think that is helping the economy there. Have you been smoking some of that grass stash you brought from Colorado?
Oh, I’ve been to Texas alright, Agent. Many times. The only redeeming qualities are Austin and parts of San Antonio.
Agent – Libby may have been referring to your foot ball teams… (YUK YUK).
QB in NIU (Lynch) is making a case for the Heisman. Johnny Football had a very good day last week, but Lynch topped him. He had a Nick Foles kind of a day.
Dear Sergeant Major: It is a universal truth that one only resorts to insults when their argument is too weak for anything else.
How did that original idea work out for the U.S? It didn’t. How could it — the promise was made with which only produced death, bill and a HUGE deficit. I think Haliburton made a chunk of profits though.
Obama never promised any old from Iraq. Only to clean up Bush and Cheney’s messes.
Answer the question. If oil from Iraq is so important to you and Obama, why hasn’t he done it? You raised the issue, now answer the question.
It s a universal truth that you don’t have a clue.
Dear S&M (how fitting): Maybe you don’t know how the promise and expectation thingy works.
Obama never promised oil from Iraq, so there was no expectation that we would receive it.
Bush promised; Bush did not deliver.
There. A simple lesson for you.
Show some respect Celtica. Sargeant is retired military and has fought like I have so you could have the freedom to post your ugly rants. By the way, it is not S&M, just Sargeant Major. If I had my way, we would ship you off to Iraq or better still to Venezuela so you could be happy to live on $5 a day, beans and rice.
You have alot of nerve telling Celtica to show some respect when Sarge called her a simpleton and a crackhead. I don’t give a damn what he did in the service, he isn’t entitled to insult people and not be held accountable.
BTW – which war did YOU fight in?
Celtica – Has he lived up to that promise? Last I heard, there are still boots on the ground over there.
If our boys weren’t in the Mid East, do you think more terrorists would have slipped through security and caused more deaths & destruction on the home land?
Can you name one promise he has kept?
Sargeant merely pointed out the obvious Libby due to Celtica’s Progressive rant which had no basis in fact. Are you held accountable for your name calling rants? I was in the Viet Nam war and I think Sargeant was as well. That was Democratic all the way with Kennedy at first and LBJ that ramped it up. It took a Republican Nixon to get us out and what did we accomplish? We only lost 56,000 or so in that little action. You say that Bush was at fault for getting us into Iraq and yes we lost good men in that fight, but it pales in comparison to Vietnam where we had no business being.
Yes, I will be held accountable for my name calling. I do not deny it. Celtica, on the other hand, did not participate in name calling and did not deserve Sarge’s caustic insults.
Where did you fight in Vietnam?
It wasn’t name calling if is the truth.
It’s called libel and defamation, Sarge.
Libby, You should live in south San Antonio in the barrios of the illegal aliens. All the Tacos, beans and rice you can eat and people that believe they have the same rights as real citizens. You should like Austin because they have a core of liberals there that believe like you do. Dallas/Ft Worth is where the action is and it has a very dynamic business atmosphere and is cosmopolitan.
FFA, I don’t mind Libby criticizing our NFL teams since the Cowboys and Texans both stink. She needs to lay off the state though since Texas leads the nation in jobs created by a large margin. We do have some good college teams like Baylor who is running through everyone and is undefeated. A&M is good, but they don’t have a defense so Manziel has to score 50 points to win. Texas is decent, but will lose to Baylor and that is the end of that story.
Dear FFA:
I said Obama was cleaning up the Iraq mess, nothing more, nothing less.
As for death and destruction here, we will ever know but sending our soliders over there to get killed as a strategy to avoid them coming over here is questionnable.
As for One promise, well, let’s just bring this full circle – he promised and delivered the Affordable Care Act.
He sold a bill of goods with a Lie. In my state, I need to have Ethics training. He should too. what’s good for the goose….
We still have an ongoing mess in the Mid East.
I agree – strategy to avoid them coming over here is questionable. With
the world hating us seems we are in a kill or be killed predicament. No right answer on that point. Bad or worse…
FFA said- “With the world hating us seems we are in a kill or be killed predicament.”
I think that is something that God and a few Marines could take care of- Hoorah!
S&M: God? Condoning killing? Really?
Reverence to judgment day is the way I took it.
Sargeant, I saw an article that Obama was bragging to his staff and minions that he is “Good at killing people”. What a narcissistic braggart to say such a thing.
If you read the quote in context, Agent, he was not bragging. But then when have you read anything in context?
FFA, Slick Willy came out and said Obama needs to keep his commitment about people keeping their Healthcare. People are burning the midnight oil at the White House trying to figure out what to do. Can there be an Executive Order coming out to order the Insurance Companies to re-instate and stop sending notices out? Could Congress pass an amendment to a passed and signed law at this point? I kind of doubt it at this point.
Celtica, He promised and delivered a POS law that is now imploding on him. By the way, there is nothing affordable about the ACA. Open your eyes to the truth for a change. We don’t like a President lying to us dozens of times and misrepresenting what he was installing. I realize you are a Cloward & Pivin convert, but we aren’t.
One more point on the ACA before I leave today – Selling with a Bait and Switch tactic is Illegal.
FFA, then why aren’t Bush & Cheney charged?
I have no idea… Cant concern myself with the past. I need to move forward. I have seven mouths to feed now. Obama has hurt my ability to do that.
Celtica – Do you honestly believe the Chem weapons that appeared in Syria didn’t come from Iraq???
FFA, insurance licensing has always made it illegal to use bait and switch, rebating to get coverage written. You and I would be in big trouble for lying on an application for insurance, failing to remit premiums to companies etc. I have seen agents go to jail and lose their license for doing the kind of thing our government is doing to the people.
Cleaning up the Iraq mess? Obama doesn’t have any military background and he’s only been reducing our military since he got in office thanks for voter fraud and the Black Panthers. His loyalty to the Muslim Brotherhood should have been a wake up call to all of you who voted for a lying socialist whose first religion was Islam.
Just what military experience did Bush have when he led us into Iraq, other than draft dodging?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_W._Bush's_military_service
A lot more the Obama ever did. And the men GW appointed in his cabinet from Schwarzkopf had plenty of military experence. Obama seems to think that if we play nice with terrorist countries and apologize for the USA trying to defend herself that it all will be sunshine and rainbows. The man is a spineless liar. And now his damage controll campagine – What we said is if you like your healthcare plan blah, blah, blah – even the 20 year olds are starting to wise up and are calling him a liar! Good for them!
Actually Libby, Bush was a jet fighter pilot in the Air National Guard which is a heck of a lot more than a Community Organizer thug from Chicago.
Wow, I can see you are well informed. Well, George H.W. Bush (41) postponed going to Yale to enlist and at the age of 18 was the youngest Naval Aviator in the Navy. He flew combat missions in the Pacific and was shot down during a bombing/strafing mission over ChiChiJima. He was picked up by a submarine floating in the ocean.
George Bush (43) was also an aviator in the Texas air National guard. That means he enlisted, took basic training and went to aviator training. He was commissioned as an aviator. He drilled and flew. He was not called to Vietnam. BTW his service records were released so all could see them log ago unlike Barry Sotero-Obama or whatever he calls himself at the moment.
Now let’s hear you talk about Obama’s service unless you count serving as a community organizer in Chicago as combat duty.
I did not refer to H.W. and I never claimed Obama served. He did as much combat duty as Dubya did. None.
Sarge, South Side of Chicago is not that far off a battle zone. I guess Detroit is along the same lines??
Things heated up on South Side last night. Seven innocents shot with two being young children. Banger vs banger don’t make the news. Its just biz as usual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjJS_GRe2GM
No truer words were spoken.
I am finally able to quote. My HSA client is currently paying $364.00 @ month. Closest coverage match is going to ruin him $574 @ month.
Obamas broken promise is going to cost this one person $210 x 12 = $2520
x 17m = $42,480,000 more on a national basis. That’s affordable?????
This is off the Blue Cross web site.
You must be mistaken, FFA. Obummer said he was going to save us $2,500 per year.
He was speaking Obama not English.
Yes FFA, we know how Obamaspeak works now. He can’t even admit to what he said, he just tries to spin his way out of it. Poor Carney stands up there and tries to sell it and digs a deeper hole everytime he uses Obamaspeak.
This single male with two dependent’s is picking up Maternity Coverage. And another thing, OBama wont let him eat the first $5K any more, only $1500. Before you all jump on the better ded band wagon, He wants to eat the first $5000.
The other quotes I got done today— YIKES! I personally am not liking them.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/bush-desert.htm
The truth is Libby, Obama came out of no where and was a community organizer here in Chicago who then ran for senator and the idiots here voted for him and he won. With less then a years experience he became president. What were you people thinking? I whole heartedly agree with IM – people voted for him because he was mixed raced and looks completely black. Obama locked up all his records so no one could even really do a background check on him which is what Clinton wanted to do when Hillary was running against him. I’ve heard rumors that Obama threatened to harm their daughter if they persisted. And you know how rumors can go but being a Chicago thug and me born and raised in Chicago, I wouldn’t have put it past him.
Wish I could “like” this a thousand times, Always.
Perplexed,
I am not surprised that you would want to like Always Amazed post, it is full of inaccuracies.
He shut her up with the Sect of States position and then threw her on the knife know as Benghazi. It is the Illinois way.
Always Amazed,
You may have ALL of the opinions you want, but cannot create facts.
1. He was born in Hawaii and did not move to Chicago until after he graduated from college.
2. He was a State Senator in IL from 1997 – 2005
3. He was a U.S. Senator from 2005-2009
4. Before politics he was a civil rights lawyer and a taught Constitutional Law.
http://www.barackobama.com/about/barack-obama/
As long as Republicans keep believing that the Majority of Independents were voting for President Obama instead of against the Republican nominee, they will keep losing. Until the Republicans give us some worthy of our vote, moderate on social issues is a good start, they will keep losing.
It sounds like Republicans are only good at complaining and blaming. When they regain power, they had better be the fiscal conservatives they claim to be and fix the economy and bring about prosperity. Of course if that does not happen, they can always blame President Obama.
Ha, Ha, Ha Ron, you are so twisted with your facts. You say that Republicans are only good at the blame game. Your President leads the league at blaming Republicans for everything wrong in the country. How many times has he blamed Bush because he was having trouble on every issue? The simple fact is that he is a serial liar who will throw anyone under the bus to advance his agenda. You need to wake up and face the music and stop defending this Progressive Socialist that has broken the public trust.
Agent,
It is not just me that thinks the Republicans need to revamp their strategy. Listen to a Republican who just won re-election in a blue state by a wide margin; “I think the party cares more about winning the argument than winning the election, and if you don’t win elections, you can’t govern.”, Governor Christie gets it, too bad you and the other far right Conservatives do not.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/06/opinion/louis-election/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Stop complaining and start finding ways to get elected so Conservatives can start governing.
Ron, I don’t care much for a RINO from New Jersey that gives BO a big hug for aid. Charly Crist did the same thing in Florida and what happened to him? Marco Rubio buried him twice. Liberal Republicans are no different than Liberal Democrats. They spend our money unwisely and want us to pat them on the back.
Ron, It is becoming more apparent by the day that all the Republicans have to do is run on the travesty of Obamacare and point out that their Democratic opponents voted for it and are responsible for it. By the time the mid terms get here, the Employer problem will be manifested and perhaps 70 or 80 million will have lost their Healthcare. I think the rails, tar and feathers will be ready to go.
What a laugher,So your source is Barack Obama.com. LOL
Sarge,
If you cannot dispute the facts, SHUT IT!!!!!!!!
The source is only irrelevant if the facts are wrong.
First, there are plenty of websites that state he has gone under different names, accepted scholarship monies by stating he was a foreign exchange student, went from being Obama to Sotero to Obama as a last name with no explanation as to what his real legal name is etc. That he lied on just about every application he ever filled out with respect to his education and employment. But I have not put those websites up as I do not know whether they are credible or not. Just like I do not believe that the Liar in charge is telling the truth on his own website.
Second, why would I think his website is not credible? Follow along:
* If you like your doctor, you can keep him- Lie
*If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it, PERIOD- Lie
* If you like your healthcare plan you will not need to do anything- (Washington post gave him 4 Pinocchio’s on that one)- lie
*The Affordable Healthcare Act will save Americans about $2,500.00 per year in cost- lie
* The reason these healthcare plans have gone up and cancelled is because of the insurance companies- Lie
* The healthcare plans being cancelled were “substandard” healthcare plans- Lie
* I knew nothing about Fast and Furious. That was started by George Bush- Lie
* This Benghazi attack was started by a man who put a video on You Tube- Lie
* Ok,if you did not believe that one how about ‘I did not know anything about Benghazi?- Lie
* As President I will close Quantanamo in 12 months- Lie
* I will have US troops out of Iraq in 16 Months- Lie
* I will not put further troops in harms way- Lie (Afghanistan, Syria)
* My stimulus bill plan of a trillion dollars will bring unemployment down below 7% in 18 months- Lie
* My healthcare plan will pay for itself- Lie
I could go on and on. Maybe you should shut it.
Sarge,
So, can you dispute the facts I presented?
Simple question.
Sargeant, Before I forget it, Happy Veterans day. We Veterans have done our part to keep this country free. I was glad to see New Orleans honor the veterans before the Sunday Night NFL game.
Yes Always. I think the Clinton’s and Obama have mended the fences and he agreed to back her in 16 if she played along with him. No wonder she repeated the lie on Benghazi and played dumb with what happened there and finally said – What possible difference does it make now? By the way, I hope Obama does campaign for her in 16. His credibility is so low now, she may want to rethink having him travel around promoting her.
I think there is a back room agenda for both.
Of course there is. There’s always an agenda.
I would not doubt that Billary is plotting her revenge already.
Good one Sargeant. We ask the question – Do the President’s words matter? He is supposed to have a staff that vettes every speech he makes so he won’t make a big mistake. Where was his staff when they allowed him to lie over and over about Obamacare. I heard that the policy guys didn’t want him to say it and the political staff said he should. They thought this would just blow over when people started enrolling and would quickly be forgotten. Instead, the website is dysfunctional and people are getting cancelled all over the country. I don’t think it would have passed had it come out that people could lose their coverage under Obamacare. He kept saying if you like your plan, you can keep it. No one will take it away from you, PERIOD! This is an Impeachable Offense since it is getting in the American Peoples pocket book big time. If the Progressives think this will blow over, they have another think coming. By the way, I can add another one to your list. The ACA will not add one cent to the National Debt. Oops! I think it is up to $1.6 Trillion now and growing and when all these people now enrolling in Medicaid instead of Obamacare, it will escalate even further.
Ron, can you dispute Sargeant’s facts? Simple question. My guess is that you liked the “Apology” that Obama made to the American people. He wasn’t sorry that he lied and deceived, only that Americans have lost their health plan. It is plain for us to see that he wanted the Pool of Americans who bought Individual coverage to go into the Obamacare plan. First, you have to create a crisis and then they will be forced to apply because they are desperate for coverage. By the way, the story is out that Delaware was given $4million for their set up with Obamacare and they enrolled 4 new applicants in a month. Hmm! One million for each applicant. Not a good deal for the taxpayer, don’t you think?
On an unrelated note, the new Ventra Card (Commuter card for Chicago Transit) is experiencing technical Glitches…. City of Chicago extended the mandate for people to convert until its fixed.
Mr Obama – Are you paying attention to your pal Rahm????
News is bragging crime stats down considerably.
FFA, did you hear about the firm that got the biggest part of the website contract, the Canadian firm that had the gal pal of Michelle as the VP? They have won some more government contracts for their services to the tune of $7 million. This was let after the website issues were manifested. How stupid are these clowns or is it just Cronyism on steroids?
GREAT!!! Another $7M out of the country to a bunch of hacks!
What are they going to screw up now?
Anything they touch FFA. When you are incompetent, you get a government contract if you know the right people. They have better lobbyists than most who don’t get the contract.
FFA, on a related note to this blog subject, the Gallup poll just released approval ratings for the President. He is now the proud owner of a 39% approval rating for his job performance. It has fallen 7 points in just the last week. Ron likes to defend him and his policies, but it just ain’t making it with most Americans as hundreds of thousands of cancellations continue to be sent out and the huge lies he lied/misspoke to the folks.
Funny you should mention that, Agent. “In the first week of November in the fifth year of their presidencies, Obama and Bush have nearly identical approval numbers, according to the latest Gallup polling.
The Gallup daily tracking poll for November 5th 2013 puts Obama’s approval at 39 percent, with 53 percent disapproving of his job performance.
By comparison, polling for the first week of November in 2005 had Bush’s approval at 40 percent, with 55 percent disapproving of his job performance.”
I think there may be a tie for the worst President in U.S. history. LOL!
Libby, I never said GW’s poll numbers were high in comparison. Actually, he did a lot of things that were unpopular and disappointed me like giving in to the Socialist left on spending excesses, not doing enough about Fanny & Freddie which led to the financial meltdown. In his last 2 years, he became a RINO big time just like McCain & Graham. It is all about the Progressive agenda prevalent in DC. Having said that, Obama is sailing right on past him in the disapproval ratings. By the first of the year, it should be in the 20’s with all these spins and lies.
Well, I noticed you jumping up and down and clapping your hands with glee at Obama’s ratings, so I thought I’d mention your hero’s ratings were in the same boat at the the same point in time. You know, tit for tat. Just sayin….
I too was not a big bush fan. He should have left the Private Business that were poorly managed fail.
Wow. 461 comments and counting. I’m glad the regulars in this thread aren’t running the country. Oh, maybe they are! They sure sound like politicians to me.
A lot of sitting on hold time for me. You can tell we are not politicians by the fact that we are discussing the issues at hand. If we were politicians, we would just show up and collect our pay checks and screw the American people. I would bet if we all met face to face at the table, it would take some doing, but things would get done!
On FB today –
The arrogant SOB is at it again, this time exempting his signature legislation from fraud prosecutions. “The surprise decision, disclosed last week, exempts subsidized health insurance from a law that bans rebates, kickbacks, bribes and certain other financial arrangements in federal health programs, stripping law enforcement of a powerful tool used to fight fraud in other health care programs, like Medicare.”
http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2013/11/05/unbelievable-obama-exempts-obamacare-from-fraud-prosecutions/
FFA, It is not as if Eric Holder will intervene and hold these jokers accountable for ripping off the American People with this scheme. There was a story yesterday about a guy’s personal info showing up on another guys application which shows how insecure the site is. Apparently the guy that got the info was good enough to call the man and tell him he got his personal info. The injured guy called HHS to complain and they finally got back with him and said they had taken it off. The hackers must really be licking their chops. ID theft will be rampant. Sebelius had no answers in front of the committee, but pledged to clean up the site and get it working. Kind of like the President says he will get to the bottom of Benghazi, IRS, Fast & Furious, NSA and then never does anything about it.
That’s not exactly what this says, FFA.
“Obama administration has ruled that neither the federal insurance exchange nor the federal subsidies paid to insurance companies on behalf of low-income people are “federal health care programs.”
This is NOT a federal health care program. Coverage is written and run by insurance companies NOT the government.
Libby, Is Medicaid a Federal Health Care program? That seems to be where a lot of people are landing through the state exchanges instead of Obamacare. No wonder Obama wanted the states to expand their Medicaid payments. After a couple of years when the subsidies dries up, it is a state problem and states will run big deficits on their budgets. This is going to bankrupt consumers, state governments and the Federal. Not enough in the till to handle it all.
So FFA, the President was in Dallas yesterday trying to spin some more. I quote: “Now this is like having a really good product in the store and the cash registers don’t work and there aren’t enough parking spots and nobody can get through the door. And so we are working overtime to get this fixed” I wonder what the odds that any company under that kind of mismanagement would ever have a really good product. Who is the store manager in this scenario?
He also said that no state needs this more than Texas. We really need this ill conceived, poorly managed and expensive Progressive Dream, right. Gov Perry said Texas is not the reason Obamacare is crumbling. Obamacare is the reason Obamacare is crumbling.
I am more concerned with the Fraud aspect. Will it be criminal to commit fraud in the exchange?
Yes agent, problems are wide spread. People need to be canned over this including Obama himself. It needs to be delayed. Maybe a new plan to roll it out. Enroll in Jan if you were born in Jan or something like that.
My Local Rep has drafted a bill to allow people to keep their existing coverage as long as they want. We will see how far that gets. He is calling something like the Keep the Promise Bill.
I was actually able to get three quotes run yesterday. Paying someone to sit on the site and strike when we can. I know its an expense, but once we get all the people enrolled, she will lose her job just like all the navigators and Ap Specialists fueling more unemployment.
Any new approval ratings out yet? Should be down to like 10% by now. Even my friends with African heritage are speaking out against him. People losing their jobs, their hours, cost of Health going up, some with College Grads cant find work. More and more difficult to keep the roof over their heads.
I fear this is going to get worse before it gets better. I don’t know why the hell they are not trying to remove this guy from office. You hire someone to do a job and they fuck it up even worse, you fire them. Ill is Employment at will. He resides in IL. Lets apply IL law to him. The damage he has done will stick with us way past my life span.
So, all you Bush bashers go ahead and bring up history again. I know, its all his fault that OBama is as incompetent as they get.
FFA, your local rep is not the only rep who is proposing keeping the coverage. Even Mary Landrieu of Louisiana who got the Louisiana purchase on Medicaid expansion is proposing the same thing. She is worried about her re-election and she should be. The last approval rating I saw on Obama was at 39%. Congress hovers at 12%. Obama is gaining ground on Congress and may be at their levels by 12-1. Did you hear about the meeting at the White House yesterday with 15 Democrat Senators with the President? They are definitely concerned that they will be thrown out and I hope they bring big pressure to change this around. What are the companies to do when the law says they have to cancel if there were changes to the coverage? The question is, will the companies re-instate or if they do, will it be at even a higher premium?
Of course it’s still criminal to commit fraud. That hasn’t changed. The only clarification was that Obamacare doesn’t fall within the definition used by Medicare/Medicaid, as those are government-run programs.
Wait until you see the numbers enrolling in Medicaid FFA. I think it will be astounding. I thought the liberal Oregon would be more on board with Obamacare and they haven’t enrolled one yet. Hmm! Medicaid seems the way to go with them.
Ok, I am going to admit it, I have no clue what is going on with this. How come people cannot keep their individual policies? Why does this not affect the company offered policies? I really do not understand anything about the ACA. I have read things and am not sure what sources are true and still don’t really get it. Can someone give a quick synopsis of it without any political bashing, just some quick facts regardless of which side you are on. I would greatly appreciate it! Have a great day all!
ACA says your current policy sucks so now buy a new one with coverage you dont need at a higher price and deductible.
Hey Educate Me, Ask 10 people on this blog and you will get 10 different answers. The key to understand is that this President promised the American people several dozen times that if they liked the policy and doctor, they could keep them. Now, in the true Bait & Switch scheme, you can only keep your policy if there weren’t any changes since the law was passed. What American exists in this country that hasn’t had something changed on their policy in the last 3 years? A deductible change is most common when premiums have been skyrocketing each year. That change triggers the cancellation notice because the policy doesn’t conform to the one size fits all Obamacare coverage. If you didn’t want maternity, sorry, you have it. If you didn’t want Abortion coverage or birth control, sorry, you must have it. Those are the facts and why millions are losing their coverage. This will start over again for employers plans that don’t fit the mandates next year.
Thank you all for the explanations. I couldn’t understand why people’s policies were being cancelled, but that makes sense now that it has been explained…I didn’t say good sense, just makes sense! What a mess…all politics is just voting for the lesser of two evils really :) Thanks again and I hope everyone has a great day and stays healthy! P.S Sure am glad I am a P&C gal!!
Glad I could be of help EducateMe. I am also glad that I am 95% P&C. Even at that, I have a number of unhappy customers who now realize they have a problem with the policies they were happy with. Can’t keep it, can’t afford the alternative. It is the biggest mess ever passed by Congress. I hope all that voted for it are looking for new jobs come this time next year.
educate me, I don’t think any one knows what the heck is going on. Even Pelosi with her now famous – We have to pass it to see whats in it – don’t know. Sebelious don’t know. The only one that I think knows it all is Obama himself and he is only telling us what he perceives to be good for everyone.
I was able to quote 4 all day yesterday. Now, one of the yahoos want me to revise the quote. So, if you do quote, make sure you stress to the folks that you need to do the quote exactly as they want it.
Today – haven’t been able to quote at all. Tip of the day – quote directly through the carriers web site. Don’t mess with Health Care .gov. The carriers are doing their work around that piece of crap site doing their best to accommodate the mess OBama made of health care.
Hey FFA, did you know that Whitehouse.gov advertises rebates from Insurance Companies on Obamacare? In most state jurisdictions on insurance, rebating is expressly forbidden at penalty of loss of license. I guess that doesn’t apply to the Federal Government. They can say or do whatever they want, apparently.
FFA, Is it just me, or did we have one of the left bloggers on this site in a prior article quote proudly quote rates from the State of Oregon exchange. Curious, because Megan Kelley was interviewing a geek from Oregon last night and their exchange has never opened for business. Because it is as broken as the Fed site, they enrolled no one in Obamacare and have been trying to do it on paper apps. Wow, I wonder if they hired the same Canadian company to design their site.
Hey FFA, Need a laugh of the day? Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the head of the DNC confidently predicted that Obamacare would be a positive thing for Democrats to run on in 2014. Does she need a reality check or what? Democratic candidates from the Senate to the House are trying to find a strategy to run on and it isn’t healthcare. I would like to see some of their townhalls next summer as this tragedy plays out.
For those of you who care, Bloomberg just came out with an article by Megan McCardle titled – Hope is all Obamacare has left. Obviously, Megan did her research and presents the scenario of what this administration faces with millions of cancellations, a non functioning website and few enrollments. It is the perfect storm and the disaster many of us predicted for the past 3 years. Unfortunately, the President lied over and over to us that we wouldn’t lose our healthcare, PERIOD! No one can take our health insurance away from us, PERIOD! Now, millions of Americans are losing it and no remedy in sight.
FFA said- “Sarge, South Side of Chicago is not that far off a battle zone. I guess Detroit is along the same lines??”
FFA, yes if not worse, last week there was a gun battle on the east side. 3 dead and about 7 or more wounded at “Al’s Barba shop”. It seems they have been running an illegal gambling joint for years and one of the upstanding patrons felt he got cheated. He went home, got his machine gun and came back spraying lead all over the place (Think he purchased it legally?). Those inside pulled their own guns and the fight was on. Unfortunately, it seems none of them had ever learned to shoot very well and those shot was done by accident. Nothing like a lazy, sleazeball, government mooching goon holding a weapon cockeyed and waving it around like he has his di*k in his hand.
This week (today) started off with a bang. Multiple homicide. In Detroit the Democrats are losing voters everyday
Agent said- “Sargeant, Before I forget it, Happy Veterans day. We Veterans have done our part to keep this country free. I was glad to see New Orleans honor the veterans before the Sunday Night NFL game.”
Same to you agent and salute all who have served and died serving this great country. I often think of my Father and Grandfather both combat veterans. In fact I have family that have served all the way back to the civil war and have family on both sides of that war. I would like to have been at that family reunion!
I thought New Orleans did a great job. Have you seen the tribute from Green Bay couple years ago? That was awesome. What a great town and I have been in Lambeau Field.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/lambeau.asp
Hi Sargeant. I did see that Green Bay tribute and it was great. The team doesn’t seem to be doing well without Rogers and they are playing the third team quarterback now after the back up went down. It does seem like the injuries are piling up on a lot of teams. I hope your Lions continue to do well and avoid key injuries down the stretch. I have written off my Cowgirls since half the team is injured and playing couch potatos will not make it in the NFL.
Yes, Green bay has a tough time without number 12 on the field and now Seneca Wallace (number 2 QB) is out. I think I heard they signed the guy that played last week and he was an undrafted free agent? I heard he had about 2 or maybe three days practice.
I hope the Lions do well as it is about time. However, they always seem to find a way to blow up in a big game or play offs. We will see what happens
Sargeant, I saw a pre-game show a couple of weeks ago and they said Calvin Johnson has a reach of over 8 feet when he jumps for a ball. That sure makes an inviting target, especially with his hands. He just leaps over the helpless DB’s and snatches it. I think the key with Detroit this year is their consistency. In the past, they would spring an upset and then fall back the next week. I hope they make the playoffs and make some noise this year.
I think they call this guy Megatron now since he is so far superior to the defensive backs and they have no chance if he gets those big mitts on the ball. Of course, Dallas couldn’t cover him if they had 4 guys around him at all times.