Anyone who signed the bill without reading the bill should be charged with failing their fiduciary responsibility, and force to resign from office. Then they can sign up for ObamaCare like the rest of us poor shlocks.
At the very least, put them in stocks in front of the Capitol Building for a while and then ride them out of town on a rail after the obligatory tarring and feathering.
I am not loyal to Obama. However, I fully support the ACA as it is something I might have to use at some point in my life.
November 15, 2013 at 5:12 pm
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Celtica, you actually support this with all its shortcomings and the financial disaster it has brought down on the tax payers shoulders? Nothing but increase cost? Have cost people their jobs? Their hours?
The stress? The anxiety?
November 15, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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FFA, Celtica is a true believer and a lemming who eagerly follows her leader into the abyss no matter how badly botched this program is.
November 15, 2013 at 6:49 pm
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FFA: Yes, I still support the ACA because it does more good with pre-existing conditions and provides medical insurance for ALL Americans — which lowers stress and anxiety — and creates jobs. The bad you mention hasn’t actually hasn’t happened yet.
Agent: There you go again with another drama queen moment. I do not blindly agree with Obama. In fact, he wasn’t my first choice — but Palin was a no go. Get better candidates.
November 14, 2013 at 2:24 pm
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It’s a little late in the game for a “fix,” considering it is mid-November and many of these cancellations will go into effect January 1. My husband was on an individual plan and we received notice in late September that his plan was being cancelled, and we have since made other health insurance arrangements. He liked his plan, but it’s too late for him to keep it.
Even if the Obama administration and Congress move at warp speed, there are only seven weeks until January 1. I can’t imagine what a nightmare this would be for the insurance carriers who already have the architecture in place for these plans to expire and be replaced, and now they must continue offering them.
Assuming you could keep your same “substandard” plan in 2014 that you had in 2013, the insurance company would need to calculate and communicate the new 2014 rates based on that plan. The only 2014 rates available now are for the new “affordable” plans. Calculating and communicating new rates takes time, resources, and will be confusing to policyholders who were already told the plan was no longer offered (and may have already switched). What a mess.
Obama has agreed to allow people to keep their plans and is authorizing an administrative fix. Mark my words that the liberal media is going to make him out to be a savior.
The sheep will have short memories and think the whole problem was the Tea Party’s fault.
Yes Integrity, the Arrogant One thinks he can wave his magic wand and issue an Executive Order for the cancellations to be rescinded or belay the cancellations due to go out. I can see the executives at Blue Cross, United Healthcare and others saying to themselve, they want us to do what? We have spent 3 1/2 years in the compliance phase on this rollout, they said we couldn’t sell plans that didn’t fit the mandated coverage and now they want us to recall 5 million policies for a year.
I saw a comment by the Health Insurance Association that if this is followed, it will completely de-stablize the Health Insurance market and higher premiums will be the result. They know they will have to take all those PreX people with the attending conditions.
I don’t think the sheep will be quite that blind. “Cancelled plans can be kept for a year” is not a fix. It’s a wet bandaid on a severed artery.
Then you go to the insurers. Are they going to play ball? They don’t have to. What’s Obama going to do? Short of paying the insurers for keeping the policies, there is no motivation or incentive for insurance companies to recind the cancellations.
Can we now say “Bailout for the Health Insurance Industry”? This will be a mini AIG type deal where the government comes in to rescue all these health boys that bought into the scheme thinking they were going to make a bunch of money on higher premiums and the taxpayers subsidizing the premiums. jw, your reference to a severed artery is a good example only the severed artery is on the American People and we will be bled dry in higher premiums, higher taxes and inferior coverage if we can find it.
no it wasn’t, Celtica. It was Cheney’s. Everyone knows that he and Bush are these secret masterminds who lied to the American public and convinced the international community that Saddam had WMDs so that the US would go into Iraq for no reason at all (even going so far as to fool the Clintons, Kerry, Biden, and the majority of the Democrats into supporting such action).
Actually, it was George HW Bush’s fault for lying about raising taxes. Ok, it was really Reagan’s fault because of the Iran Contra affair. What? Oh, I mean it was Lincoln’s because he suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. Yeah, that’s it…Those Evil Republicans have been scheming all throughout history in the hopes that a man named Barack Obama would someday become President, cram a worthless bill down the throats of the American public, blame everyone else around him until finally having to admit that he was wrong. MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! (read that in a “mad scientist” voice for true effect)
So FFA, I remember him saying he would work with Congress on a fix. They pass a bill today with 39 Democrats signing on and Obama promptly announced he would veto it if it made it through Reid’s clutches. He just couldn’t help himself after faking his contrite statement and lied yet again about working with Congress. I must say, those Chicago politicians have the lying down to a science only his pants are still smoking from yesterday. 4 Pinnochios again from the Washington Post.
Actually Celtica, In FLA on a company trip. Sun baked head, liquor soaked brain…
November 14, 2013 at 2:45 pm
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Howard Dean has raised a question about the legality of obama’s announced “fix”. The emperor has spoken and believes he’ll get away with blaming the evil insurance companies for oppressing the masses with their heartless cancellations.
Interesting calling this a “fix”. Does that mean the Fix is In? I guess that depends on what the definition of is is per the Clinton Administration. The blame game is the left’s way to get out of any situation. This is their problem from day one and they are desperately seeking to blame either Republicans, George Bush, the insurance industry, free market Capitalism or any other thing to avoid responsibility for this colossal mess. Anyone who voted for this should be recalled by their state and dismissed from office or brought up on charges for High Crimes & Misdemeanors. The President should resign for the good of the country before he is impeached like Nixon did. Biden (this is a big f#$**** deal) was a willing participant so he should go too. I think we would then be down to John Boehner to take over. As bad as he has been, it would be an improvement to what we have now.
Did anyone see AHIP’s response to the announced fix today?
America’s Health Insurance Plans’ President and CEO, Karen Ignagni, released the following statement on today’s announcement by the president related to policy cancellations:
“Making sure consumers have secure, affordable coverage is health plans’ top priority. The only reason consumers are getting notices about their current coverage changing is because the ACA requires all policies to cover a broad range of benefits that go beyond what many people choose to purchase today.
“Changing the rules after health plans have already met the requirements of the law could destabilize the market and result in higher premiums for consumers. Premiums have already been set for next year based on an assumption of when consumers will be transitioning to the new marketplace. If now fewer younger and healthier people choose to purchase coverage in the exchange, premiums will increase and there will be fewer choices for consumers. Additional steps must be taken to stabilize the markteplace and mitigate the adverse impact on consumers.”
This is what happens when ideologists with no business experience are elected to run a whole country. They haven’t a clue and think they can wave their magic wand to solve all problems. Well, that is not how things work in the real world and, sadly, we are all suffering from that in one way or another. The end result is those of us who are working (and there are fewer of us compared to the past) will all pay much more in taxes if Obamacare continues in place because none of the faulty assumptions made are likely to come to pass. As the middle class gradually disappears, the liberal agenda will have been realized: everyone equal – equally miserable – like in third world countries.
Hey, Celitca – Obama said he’d cut the deficit it 1/2 IN HIS FIRST YEAR if elected. Have you taken a gander as to where it is now? Past 17 trillion dollars and climbing. This is what happens when you elect a community organizer for president. So, please, Obama sent us right off a cliff. You have no argument there sister.
Agent – for someone allegedly with an Economics degree, I would think you would know the difference between deficit and debt. I don’t know the numbers (Ron does), but Obama has indeed shrunk the DEFICIT. The DEBT is at 17T.
Libby, I hardly think a President running up the debt 6Trillion in 4 years is one to brag about reducing the deficit or debt. In fact, he has spent more than all the President’s before him combined and what do we have to show for it? A country in chaos and debt. Obama is so low he has to look up to see the bottom.
November 14, 2013 at 8:45 pm
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Libby, come on this President has spent more than any other President in history and the 17 Trillion is DEBT, We owe the money to someone and probably half of the debt is us, the American taxpayer. How, well the largest debt holder is the Social Security trust, also, anyone US citizen who holds a savings bond and any investor that holds a treasuries.
When he took office the deficit was around $10 trillion and today it is over $17.1 Trillion and he has not quite been in office 6 years. That is over a trillion dollars per year.
Cleaning up the mess? You have got to be kidding! Must be nice living in your world of make-believe. How’s that hell-th care working out for you? You really do believe everything that comes out of the biased-media that has been in bed with Obama since he stated running with all his lies back in 2008. We are 17 trillion and climbing and will be most likely at 20 Trillion before Obama gets out of office – and I suppose you think that’s a good thing? More people on public aid EVER and you call this cleaning up the mess left by Bush. You’re really delusional.
November 15, 2013 at 3:06 pm
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Always – actually both Bush and Obama have been responsible for excessive spending. We can blame the current debt on both of them equally.
November 14, 2013 at 4:25 pm
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Rusty, I wonder what the misery index is reading right now and what it will be in a few more months. If you were around like I was during the Carter years, the misery index was off the charts with high interest rates, energy crisis, high unemployment, little business activity. I thought that 4 years would never be over. Thank God we had Ronnie come along in shining armour to rescue the country from Democratic Progressive rule and get that sorry peanut farmer out of there. It is too bad we don’t have another Ronny in the wings to come forth. We are in for a very bumpy ride.
“I am confident that by the time we look back on this next year, people are going to say, ‘this is working out well,’” Obama said. What is he smoking?
I doubt it sine all the people who have been given a year EXTENTION on the plans they have now (if this actually happenes) are going to be in the same boat they are in now. A wet bandaid on a main artery indeed.
The cat is out of the bag. O thinks he can waive his magic wand and the insurance companies will rescind millions of cancellation notices that they’ve sent out? They (health care insurers) have spent the last 3 years in compliance mode to this abomination restructuring their plans to go forward. Besides, this “fix” is only for a year – this is purely political, just to get past the mid-term elections next year. This is indeed no fix at all, just more smoke, mirrors and lies.
And Celtica, your statement is wrong on so many levels…can you liberals ever take responsibility for anything? Bush has not been in office for what, 5 years? Can you imagine how you libs would be howling if this had happened on his watch?
Sargeant, liberals are not much on real numbers. Celtica probably failed remedial math or studied the new Core Curriculum they are installing in the public schools. They think 2+2=3.
I don’t think you understand the debt and deficit relationship. National debt is the accumulation of national deficits. So if Obama has been reducing the deficits so well how has the national debt increased so much under his rule?
I doubt I will get an answer from that because there is no way that you can keep decreasing the deficit each year but yet increase national debt at a higher rate than ever (I am serious if I am missing the math here that makes your statement work please inform me). I believe however that your math is pretty much just dead wrong. Since President Obama entered the White House, the national debt has increased by an average of more than $64,000 per taxpayer. In fact, Obama will become the first president to run deficits of more than a trillion dollars during each of his first four years in office.During the Obama administration, the federal government has accumulated more new debt than it did from the time that George Washington became president to the time that Bill Clinton became president.The 10 highest monthly budget deficits have all occurred since February 2009. Those are all facts.
But I am not giving Bush a pass either as he was almost as terrible as Obama in raising the debt. (which I find ironic that the Bush and Obama supports fight over who made the economy worse than the other). The big picture is that for decades we have been ruining the US economic landscape. In 1970 our total government debt equaled $371 billion. Today it stands at around $17 trillion. Even if we adjust for inflation, federal government debt has increased more than eight times what it was in 1970. It took from 1789 to 2001 to accumulate a federal debt of $5.8 trillion. However, our government officials have added a nearly identical $5.8 trillion in four short years between 2007 and 2011.
Another fun fact: Talking in trillions of dollars can easily boggle the mind. To provide some perspective on the magnitude of our current debt, think about this: If you were alive at year zero and spent one million dollars every day since that point, you still would not have spent one trillion dollars yet.
The way I see it there are three options. Default, Inflation, or Austerity.
Austerity would be my vote, but it would require large, huge changes to government spending. I don’t see austerity every happening as it that would require a massive amount of change in societal perspective and motivated politicians.
I think we will end up inflating our way out of debt because no politician or federal reserve representative wants a default on their resume. Inflation though will cause a dollar crises unfortunately and will effect all countries worldwide that use the dollar as a reserve currency. QE is the first step to this inflationary “solution” and even though there are talks of slowly reducing QE I don’t see that happening at all, if anything they will start increasing it when Yellen steps in.
November 14, 2013 at 5:27 pm
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Karl, The Democrats are being fitted for cement boots right about now since this is going to be hung around their necks and they can’t paddle hard enough to keep their heads above water.
I am silent because LiveFree was not responding to me and I do not disagree with his statement.
November 15, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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In your world, is a response mandatory?
November 14, 2013 at 6:04 pm
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Dear Monica, Can you go hook up with Bill and “not have sex” with him. He did his country a service and deserves to “not have sex”. I can look the other way this time while you thank him in your special way.
FFA, the biggest surprise I had during the Clinton years was that Monica was not found floating face down in the Potomac. As you know, many of their friends, colleagues, employees met untimely deaths during that time with the biggest ones being Vince Foster and Ron Brown. Good thing that blue dress showed up to save her life, wasn’t it?
FFA- what do you think Monica was doing under the desk? playing Peek a boo with Bill? Or was it Jenifer Flowers, or Kathleen Twilly and of course he had no sex with Paula Jones or Barbara Streisand. I suppose if you were married to Hillary I can understand why you might not want to come home at night unless you have a grocery bag you can cut to holes in for her to put over her head and some duct tape for her mouth.LOL
And when Obama and Hillary lied – 4 men died in Benghazi. Or did you forget about them? We will ever forget them and the lies this administration told because you know “What difference does it make?” Shamefull! Obama bold faced lied to the parents of these fallen men. If that doesn’t show this adminstration true colors nothing will. The are in bed with the devil himself.
Didn’t Obama’s “lies” come after the four were killed?
November 18, 2013 at 5:30 pm
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Which lie are you referring too? Obama has told so many it’s hard to keep track of them all. When the 4 were killed there were lies before and after the well planed terrorist attack on the consulate. It was first due to a video shaming Mohammad by someone in the USA that went viral. Right, that’s it, that’s the ticket. And coincidentally the attack happened on 09/11/2012 oddly enough. And while they were taking the remains of the 4 that were killed off an aircraft Obama and Hillary lied straight faced to the family members there to collect their loved ones that this horrific tragedy was caused by the video and that the perpetrator was in custody or something to that affect. Very shameful and hurtful as well.
“MIT health economist Jonathan Gruber, who helped design the healthcare law, said its authors had expected 6 million people in the individual market would lose their plans in 2014 and that insurers had made drastic changes based on the belief they would have access to those members.”
Proof, in writing, of the lie about keeping your plan. I wasn’t impressed before, now I’m disgusted.
Yes jw, he is a real sweetheart Progressive Socialist whose plan was to get rid of all the Individual market and herd the folks like cattle into the exchanges as a ready market. The Health market also bought into this scheme thinking they would make some serious money with the higher rates and the subsidies from the government. Now, they are saying “What”? You want us to do what? What is wrong with this picture?
Fix it? Should have read it first.
You have to pass a bill saying you can fix it before you find out how to fix it…
Anyone who signed the bill without reading the bill should be charged with failing their fiduciary responsibility, and force to resign from office. Then they can sign up for ObamaCare like the rest of us poor shlocks.
Actually, the charges should be High Crimes & Misdemeanors and removal from office or resign in disgrace.
Agent… Public Hanging….
At the very least, put them in stocks in front of the Capitol Building for a while and then ride them out of town on a rail after the obligatory tarring and feathering.
CSP, Then all of the Democrats would have to resign as they were the ones who voted for it.
Agent, FFA and Sarg:
Enjoy your little drama queen moments. It’s quite amusing.
Celtica, I have to ask… when is enough enough for you? What does this guy have to do to make you not want him in any more?
Why are you so loyal to him?
I am not loyal to Obama. However, I fully support the ACA as it is something I might have to use at some point in my life.
Celtica, you actually support this with all its shortcomings and the financial disaster it has brought down on the tax payers shoulders? Nothing but increase cost? Have cost people their jobs? Their hours?
The stress? The anxiety?
FFA, Celtica is a true believer and a lemming who eagerly follows her leader into the abyss no matter how badly botched this program is.
FFA: Yes, I still support the ACA because it does more good with pre-existing conditions and provides medical insurance for ALL Americans — which lowers stress and anxiety — and creates jobs. The bad you mention hasn’t actually hasn’t happened yet.
Agent: There you go again with another drama queen moment. I do not blindly agree with Obama. In fact, he wasn’t my first choice — but Palin was a no go. Get better candidates.
It’s a little late in the game for a “fix,” considering it is mid-November and many of these cancellations will go into effect January 1. My husband was on an individual plan and we received notice in late September that his plan was being cancelled, and we have since made other health insurance arrangements. He liked his plan, but it’s too late for him to keep it.
Even if the Obama administration and Congress move at warp speed, there are only seven weeks until January 1. I can’t imagine what a nightmare this would be for the insurance carriers who already have the architecture in place for these plans to expire and be replaced, and now they must continue offering them.
Assuming you could keep your same “substandard” plan in 2014 that you had in 2013, the insurance company would need to calculate and communicate the new 2014 rates based on that plan. The only 2014 rates available now are for the new “affordable” plans. Calculating and communicating new rates takes time, resources, and will be confusing to policyholders who were already told the plan was no longer offered (and may have already switched). What a mess.
Obama has agreed to allow people to keep their plans and is authorizing an administrative fix. Mark my words that the liberal media is going to make him out to be a savior.
The sheep will have short memories and think the whole problem was the Tea Party’s fault.
Yes Integrity, the Arrogant One thinks he can wave his magic wand and issue an Executive Order for the cancellations to be rescinded or belay the cancellations due to go out. I can see the executives at Blue Cross, United Healthcare and others saying to themselve, they want us to do what? We have spent 3 1/2 years in the compliance phase on this rollout, they said we couldn’t sell plans that didn’t fit the mandated coverage and now they want us to recall 5 million policies for a year.
I saw a comment by the Health Insurance Association that if this is followed, it will completely de-stablize the Health Insurance market and higher premiums will be the result. They know they will have to take all those PreX people with the attending conditions.
I don’t think the sheep will be quite that blind. “Cancelled plans can be kept for a year” is not a fix. It’s a wet bandaid on a severed artery.
Then you go to the insurers. Are they going to play ball? They don’t have to. What’s Obama going to do? Short of paying the insurers for keeping the policies, there is no motivation or incentive for insurance companies to recind the cancellations.
Can we now say “Bailout for the Health Insurance Industry”? This will be a mini AIG type deal where the government comes in to rescue all these health boys that bought into the scheme thinking they were going to make a bunch of money on higher premiums and the taxpayers subsidizing the premiums. jw, your reference to a severed artery is a good example only the severed artery is on the American People and we will be bled dry in higher premiums, higher taxes and inferior coverage if we can find it.
AIG paid their bill dude. It’s GM that screwed tax payers and stock holders. It was a union bailout. PERIOD
Well agent, good thing ofnbama is in the white house. Seems the only thing he knows how to do is write checks. Got the right man in place for that.
Don’t be daft — we all know it was Bush’s fault.
no it wasn’t, Celtica. It was Cheney’s. Everyone knows that he and Bush are these secret masterminds who lied to the American public and convinced the international community that Saddam had WMDs so that the US would go into Iraq for no reason at all (even going so far as to fool the Clintons, Kerry, Biden, and the majority of the Democrats into supporting such action).
Actually, it was George HW Bush’s fault for lying about raising taxes. Ok, it was really Reagan’s fault because of the Iran Contra affair. What? Oh, I mean it was Lincoln’s because he suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. Yeah, that’s it…Those Evil Republicans have been scheming all throughout history in the hopes that a man named Barack Obama would someday become President, cram a worthless bill down the throats of the American public, blame everyone else around him until finally having to admit that he was wrong. MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! (read that in a “mad scientist” voice for true effect)
Celtica, your like a parrot…. RAAAA Its Bushs Fault. Raaaa. OBama want a cracker!!!!
So FFA, I remember him saying he would work with Congress on a fix. They pass a bill today with 39 Democrats signing on and Obama promptly announced he would veto it if it made it through Reid’s clutches. He just couldn’t help himself after faking his contrite statement and lied yet again about working with Congress. I must say, those Chicago politicians have the lying down to a science only his pants are still smoking from yesterday. 4 Pinnochios again from the Washington Post.
Yep agent….. Another lie.
Yeah, I guess that went out the window when the GOP stated their goal was to make Obama a one term president. Another successful GOP strategy…
FFA — that was joke. Seriously. That was a joke. I guess you are just too busy working yourself into a lather.
Actually Celtica, In FLA on a company trip. Sun baked head, liquor soaked brain…
Howard Dean has raised a question about the legality of obama’s announced “fix”. The emperor has spoken and believes he’ll get away with blaming the evil insurance companies for oppressing the masses with their heartless cancellations.
Interesting calling this a “fix”. Does that mean the Fix is In? I guess that depends on what the definition of is is per the Clinton Administration. The blame game is the left’s way to get out of any situation. This is their problem from day one and they are desperately seeking to blame either Republicans, George Bush, the insurance industry, free market Capitalism or any other thing to avoid responsibility for this colossal mess. Anyone who voted for this should be recalled by their state and dismissed from office or brought up on charges for High Crimes & Misdemeanors. The President should resign for the good of the country before he is impeached like Nixon did. Biden (this is a big f#$**** deal) was a willing participant so he should go too. I think we would then be down to John Boehner to take over. As bad as he has been, it would be an improvement to what we have now.
Did anyone see AHIP’s response to the announced fix today?
America’s Health Insurance Plans’ President and CEO, Karen Ignagni, released the following statement on today’s announcement by the president related to policy cancellations:
“Making sure consumers have secure, affordable coverage is health plans’ top priority. The only reason consumers are getting notices about their current coverage changing is because the ACA requires all policies to cover a broad range of benefits that go beyond what many people choose to purchase today.
“Changing the rules after health plans have already met the requirements of the law could destabilize the market and result in higher premiums for consumers. Premiums have already been set for next year based on an assumption of when consumers will be transitioning to the new marketplace. If now fewer younger and healthier people choose to purchase coverage in the exchange, premiums will increase and there will be fewer choices for consumers. Additional steps must be taken to stabilize the markteplace and mitigate the adverse impact on consumers.”
This is what happens when ideologists with no business experience are elected to run a whole country. They haven’t a clue and think they can wave their magic wand to solve all problems. Well, that is not how things work in the real world and, sadly, we are all suffering from that in one way or another. The end result is those of us who are working (and there are fewer of us compared to the past) will all pay much more in taxes if Obamacare continues in place because none of the faulty assumptions made are likely to come to pass. As the middle class gradually disappears, the liberal agenda will have been realized: everyone equal – equally miserable – like in third world countries.
Rusty sez: This is what happens when ideologists with no business experience are elected to run a whole country
You mean like Bush the experienced businessman who ran the country into the ground? That kind of experienced businessman?
Hey, Celitca – Obama said he’d cut the deficit it 1/2 IN HIS FIRST YEAR if elected. Have you taken a gander as to where it is now? Past 17 trillion dollars and climbing. This is what happens when you elect a community organizer for president. So, please, Obama sent us right off a cliff. You have no argument there sister.
Agent – for someone allegedly with an Economics degree, I would think you would know the difference between deficit and debt. I don’t know the numbers (Ron does), but Obama has indeed shrunk the DEFICIT. The DEBT is at 17T.
Libby, I hardly think a President running up the debt 6Trillion in 4 years is one to brag about reducing the deficit or debt. In fact, he has spent more than all the President’s before him combined and what do we have to show for it? A country in chaos and debt. Obama is so low he has to look up to see the bottom.
Libby, come on this President has spent more than any other President in history and the 17 Trillion is DEBT, We owe the money to someone and probably half of the debt is us, the American taxpayer. How, well the largest debt holder is the Social Security trust, also, anyone US citizen who holds a savings bond and any investor that holds a treasuries.
When he took office the deficit was around $10 trillion and today it is over $17.1 Trillion and he has not quite been in office 6 years. That is over a trillion dollars per year.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Dear Sister Always Amazed:
Bush sent us off the cliff.
Obama is cleaning up the debris Bush left.
Dear Sister Amazed:
Bush inherited a surplus of $128 billion and promptly turned it into a deficit of $1413 billion at the end of his term.
Obama inherited a deficit of 1413 billion and reduced it to $759 billion as of now.
Lesson learned: We need more community organizers and less “experienced businessmen.”
http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php
Cleaning up the mess? You have got to be kidding! Must be nice living in your world of make-believe. How’s that hell-th care working out for you? You really do believe everything that comes out of the biased-media that has been in bed with Obama since he stated running with all his lies back in 2008. We are 17 trillion and climbing and will be most likely at 20 Trillion before Obama gets out of office – and I suppose you think that’s a good thing? More people on public aid EVER and you call this cleaning up the mess left by Bush. You’re really delusional.
Always – actually both Bush and Obama have been responsible for excessive spending. We can blame the current debt on both of them equally.
Rusty, I wonder what the misery index is reading right now and what it will be in a few more months. If you were around like I was during the Carter years, the misery index was off the charts with high interest rates, energy crisis, high unemployment, little business activity. I thought that 4 years would never be over. Thank God we had Ronnie come along in shining armour to rescue the country from Democratic Progressive rule and get that sorry peanut farmer out of there. It is too bad we don’t have another Ronny in the wings to come forth. We are in for a very bumpy ride.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/14/rumors-obamacare-fix-president-to-address-concerns-at-1135-am/
“I am confident that by the time we look back on this next year, people are going to say, ‘this is working out well,’” Obama said. What is he smoking?
I doubt it sine all the people who have been given a year EXTENTION on the plans they have now (if this actually happenes) are going to be in the same boat they are in now. A wet bandaid on a main artery indeed.
The cat is out of the bag. O thinks he can waive his magic wand and the insurance companies will rescind millions of cancellation notices that they’ve sent out? They (health care insurers) have spent the last 3 years in compliance mode to this abomination restructuring their plans to go forward. Besides, this “fix” is only for a year – this is purely political, just to get past the mid-term elections next year. This is indeed no fix at all, just more smoke, mirrors and lies.
And Celtica, your statement is wrong on so many levels…can you liberals ever take responsibility for anything? Bush has not been in office for what, 5 years? Can you imagine how you libs would be howling if this had happened on his watch?
Dear Brother Karl:
How about my side takes responsibility from reducing the Bush deficit of $1413 billion in 2009 to $759 billion as of now?
I was laughing so hard that I had to have help after I fell out of my chair – LOL!!!! Please tell me you don’t handle the books at your company!-LOL
Sargeant, liberals are not much on real numbers. Celtica probably failed remedial math or studied the new Core Curriculum they are installing in the public schools. They think 2+2=3.
I don’t think you understand the debt and deficit relationship. National debt is the accumulation of national deficits. So if Obama has been reducing the deficits so well how has the national debt increased so much under his rule?
I doubt I will get an answer from that because there is no way that you can keep decreasing the deficit each year but yet increase national debt at a higher rate than ever (I am serious if I am missing the math here that makes your statement work please inform me). I believe however that your math is pretty much just dead wrong. Since President Obama entered the White House, the national debt has increased by an average of more than $64,000 per taxpayer. In fact, Obama will become the first president to run deficits of more than a trillion dollars during each of his first four years in office.During the Obama administration, the federal government has accumulated more new debt than it did from the time that George Washington became president to the time that Bill Clinton became president.The 10 highest monthly budget deficits have all occurred since February 2009. Those are all facts.
But I am not giving Bush a pass either as he was almost as terrible as Obama in raising the debt. (which I find ironic that the Bush and Obama supports fight over who made the economy worse than the other). The big picture is that for decades we have been ruining the US economic landscape. In 1970 our total government debt equaled $371 billion. Today it stands at around $17 trillion. Even if we adjust for inflation, federal government debt has increased more than eight times what it was in 1970. It took from 1789 to 2001 to accumulate a federal debt of $5.8 trillion. However, our government officials have added a nearly identical $5.8 trillion in four short years between 2007 and 2011.
Another fun fact: Talking in trillions of dollars can easily boggle the mind. To provide some perspective on the magnitude of our current debt, think about this: If you were alive at year zero and spent one million dollars every day since that point, you still would not have spent one trillion dollars yet.
“If you were alive at year zero and spent one million dollars every day since that point, you still would not have spent one trillion dollars yet.”
Now that is eye opening. And very depressing. Is there a way out of the debt/deficit mess?
The way I see it there are three options. Default, Inflation, or Austerity.
Austerity would be my vote, but it would require large, huge changes to government spending. I don’t see austerity every happening as it that would require a massive amount of change in societal perspective and motivated politicians.
I think we will end up inflating our way out of debt because no politician or federal reserve representative wants a default on their resume. Inflation though will cause a dollar crises unfortunately and will effect all countries worldwide that use the dollar as a reserve currency. QE is the first step to this inflationary “solution” and even though there are talks of slowly reducing QE I don’t see that happening at all, if anything they will start increasing it when Yellen steps in.
Karl, The Democrats are being fitted for cement boots right about now since this is going to be hung around their necks and they can’t paddle hard enough to keep their heads above water.
Agent: Don’t count your 2014 election chickens before they hatch.
And I would do the same if I were you. I see you never responded to LiveFee and your slience speaks volumes. Even Ms. Libby is slient.
LiveFree – BRAVO!
I am silent because LiveFree was not responding to me and I do not disagree with his statement.
In your world, is a response mandatory?
Dear Monica, Can you go hook up with Bill and “not have sex” with him. He did his country a service and deserves to “not have sex”. I can look the other way this time while you thank him in your special way.
FFA, the biggest surprise I had during the Clinton years was that Monica was not found floating face down in the Potomac. As you know, many of their friends, colleagues, employees met untimely deaths during that time with the biggest ones being Vince Foster and Ron Brown. Good thing that blue dress showed up to save her life, wasn’t it?
And therein is the biggest difference between Clinton and Bush.
When Clinton lied, no one died.
When Bush lied, our sons and daughters died in a foreign land for naught.
FFA- what do you think Monica was doing under the desk? playing Peek a boo with Bill? Or was it Jenifer Flowers, or Kathleen Twilly and of course he had no sex with Paula Jones or Barbara Streisand. I suppose if you were married to Hillary I can understand why you might not want to come home at night unless you have a grocery bag you can cut to holes in for her to put over her head and some duct tape for her mouth.LOL
Hey Sargeant, Back in the Clinton era, did you take advantage of the Hillary special at KFC? Two small breasts, two fat thighs.
And when Obama and Hillary lied – 4 men died in Benghazi. Or did you forget about them? We will ever forget them and the lies this administration told because you know “What difference does it make?” Shamefull! Obama bold faced lied to the parents of these fallen men. If that doesn’t show this adminstration true colors nothing will. The are in bed with the devil himself.
Didn’t Obama’s “lies” come after the four were killed?
Which lie are you referring too? Obama has told so many it’s hard to keep track of them all. When the 4 were killed there were lies before and after the well planed terrorist attack on the consulate. It was first due to a video shaming Mohammad by someone in the USA that went viral. Right, that’s it, that’s the ticket. And coincidentally the attack happened on 09/11/2012 oddly enough. And while they were taking the remains of the 4 that were killed off an aircraft Obama and Hillary lied straight faced to the family members there to collect their loved ones that this horrific tragedy was caused by the video and that the perpetrator was in custody or something to that affect. Very shameful and hurtful as well.
Sarge – not peek a boo…. Drink and Chew…
Chew??? Owwwwwww….
FFA, That hurts to think about it.
It would be a result of a high sperm count….
Found this in another IJ article:
“MIT health economist Jonathan Gruber, who helped design the healthcare law, said its authors had expected 6 million people in the individual market would lose their plans in 2014 and that insurers had made drastic changes based on the belief they would have access to those members.”
Proof, in writing, of the lie about keeping your plan. I wasn’t impressed before, now I’m disgusted.
Yes jw, he is a real sweetheart Progressive Socialist whose plan was to get rid of all the Individual market and herd the folks like cattle into the exchanges as a ready market. The Health market also bought into this scheme thinking they would make some serious money with the higher rates and the subsidies from the government. Now, they are saying “What”? You want us to do what? What is wrong with this picture?
Everything.