Judge Rejects Catholic Church Challenge to Obamacare Birth Control Coverage

By Joel Rosenblatt and Andrew Zajac | December 23, 2013

  • December 23, 2013 at 10:26 am
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    • December 23, 2013 at 1:49 pm
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      I don’t see it that way. If the article is accurate, then only ONE of the plaintiffs has to provide the coverage under the changes made this year. That tells me that whoever filed the lawsuit made a strategic error and should have only represented that plaintiff instead of all of those included in the original suit. Now, that doesn’t mean the Supreme Court won’t completely strike down the contraception mandate, but until then only Thomas Aquinas College has the standing to go to court. Then again, I’m not a lawyer and I really don’t know if my logic is correct.

      I am not saying the contraception mandate is good. Actually, I think all the mandated coverages are a bit over the top.

      • December 23, 2013 at 4:31 pm
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        A bit over the top jw? The mandates are the very reason why this law is failing. They didn’t need them to reform healthcare in this country. How about giving people the choice whether they wanted them or not? Plans that would have given options might have actually worked. If people wanted a Cadillac plan with everything, they could pay for it. If they didn’t want maternity, abortion, birth control pills etc.etc etc., let them buy those plans for a lesser premium. Mandating anything on a free people will inherently fail and this law is failing big time.

        • December 24, 2013 at 9:48 am
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          Agent,

          If, as you say, they didn’t need to reform health care in this country, why have you advocated for reforms such as tort reform, selling across state lines, etc.?

          Merry Christmas!!

          • December 26, 2013 at 10:44 am
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            Ron, your reading skills have fallen to about Kindergarten level. Are you in favor of all the Mandates shoved down our throat that are driving premiums sky high? Why not give people some choice and let them eliminate the coverages they don’t want? It might actually reduce the cost. All they needed was to put boxes on the application to check off yes or no. I know that might be beyond the capacity for the current programmers with the dysfunctional website, but smart geeks could have put it in. In a free society, people do like to have some say in what they purchase and are free to reject it if they want and go about their business. Some say people may just buy bare bones instead of the wonderful mandated coverage that Liberals want them to cover. Free choice may be better than people ordering you to buy something.

          • December 26, 2013 at 11:01 am
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            Agent,

            I apologize for misinterpreting your post.

            Now, will you apologize for any of the times you have misinterpreted my posts?

            Why do you think I am for the PPACA? Do you have ANY evidence to suggest that I have EVER supported this law?

            I have actually agreed with your solutions to health care, yet you continue to show your lack of reading comprehension shills by making me look like a supporter of the PPACA. Why???????????????????????

          • December 26, 2013 at 6:22 pm
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            Ron, you always misinterpret my posts and always, always answer a question with a question. That is a fundamental flaw in your personality. You say you agree with me on the points I make and then never fail to post that “why didn’t Republicans do something when they had the chance”? I would like to see one post from you stating that you agree with my position without trying to turn it around to blame Republicans. I am waiting for my first post from you saying you agree with me and good job. When you make a post that I agree with without clutter, I will say good job Ron.

          • December 27, 2013 at 7:39 am
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            Agent,

            So, you still cannot apologize.

            At least I aknowledge when I do agree with you. It is just extremely rare that I agree with any of your complete posts.

            If you have not noticed, I never just post an agreement. I beleieve it is important to challenge each other. If you want me to post a “good job” to you, then be nore respectful, answer my questions and provide a source.

        • December 24, 2013 at 5:24 pm
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          “Mandating anything on a free people will inherently fail and this law is failing big time.”

          Don’t state mandate automobile insurance? Has that mandate failed? The fact is that the mandate is a monetary penalty, or preferential treatment for individuals who engage in certain behavior. Think of all the tax penalties that are by design to reward certain behavior, much of it rather perverse – if I rent I don’t receive tax credits. If I abstain from having children, I don’t receive tax credits. If I choose to smoke, I’m subject to a heavy tax penalty. That horse left the barn a long time ago.

          • December 30, 2013 at 4:36 pm
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            Ron, you should rent the movie Cool Hand Luke. The warden at the prison Luke was in famously said “What we have here is a failure to communicate” as he was going to throw Luke into solitary confinement. He also said Luke would stay there until he got his mind right. When you get your mind “right” and stop spewing Progressive drivel, we might end up on the same page and will get along better.

      • December 27, 2013 at 6:42 pm
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        KY – I’m afraid you’ve read the decision backwards. The ruling left the mandate in place for all the plaintiffs EXCEPT Thomas Aquinas College. Because that college is not a church and self-insures, thereby falling under ERISA regulations, the gov’t can’t mandate that it “do something,” namely seek a third party administrator willing to provide the contraceptive coverage for the college’s employees. The judge therefore gave Thomas Aquinas College a permanent injuction against the mandate. It’s the other plaintiffs who are appealing.

        • December 30, 2013 at 8:19 am
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          On the off chance that you see this, I have a question. What does this sentence mean then:

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          “Except for one plaintiff — Thomas Aquinas College, which is self-insured — the law no longer requires the entities to “provide, pay for, or facilitate access to contraception,” Jackson wrote.”
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          I would think that this means those entities that sued don’t have to provide birth control in their health insurance. If that’s not correct, would you please explain what it means?

  • December 23, 2013 at 12:08 pm
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    No one is forcing a Catholic to actually take contraceptives, only that a Catholic organization offer a standard healthcare benefit to their employees that is afforded everyone. Just fast track this to the Supreme Court for a final decision — it’s the way it’s going to go anyway.

    • December 23, 2013 at 1:32 pm
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      Put it on a national ballot. Yea or nay and let the majority of the peoples will be done…

      Now that people see what is in it, let their voice be heard.

      • December 23, 2013 at 3:05 pm
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        FFA — it was on the national ballot in 2012 when Romney and the GOP ran on dismantling the ACA. They lost.

        • December 23, 2013 at 4:46 pm
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          In 2012, we had not seen the actual effect of millions losing coverage, pricing & oop going up, people losing their doctors, their religious rights, a faulted enrollment system, ect…

          I just spent about two hours trying to enroll someone that is losing their coverage. The carrier web sites are now f’d up. Select the plan she wanted and it changed the plan to something else.

          • December 26, 2013 at 6:17 pm
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            FFA, those of us who were paying attention and saw what was going on predicted this would be a disaster and it has proven out. Ted Cruz was castigated in Congress for his mini filibuster where he warned about the consequences of trying to implement it. Now, he is looking good and is our modern day Paul Revere for trying to warn us what was coming.

        • December 23, 2013 at 4:53 pm
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          You do realize that your the only one defending this “law” any more. I have noticed that even you are not defending this law in its current form, but you are the only one that has not come out and stated it needs to go (in its current form).

          If someone else still supports this in its current form, please correct me.

          • December 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm
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            FFA, Celtica is a hard nut to crack, just like Libby. The latest CNN/Gallup poll should be enough to persuade some liberals, but not them. 35% support, 62% against. Something is not quite right in liberal land. Meanwhile, the Liar in Chief is having fun over in Hawaii, oblivious to all the problems on the mainland. I saw where he attended a basketball game in Honolulu and Michelle’s brother was the coach at Oregon State who was playing Akron and they got their head handed to them. Obama & wife had a sour expression on their face.

          • December 23, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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            Agent, Libby was one of the first to turn. She stated she favors the concept, but in it current form, it needs to go. She goes face to face in the field. If you an agent of any sort, you get shit over this one.

          • December 23, 2013 at 5:59 pm
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            I fully defend the concept of affordable healthcare. The rollout was a disaster for which they should be held accountable.

            Just like Bush should be for the Iraq War thingy.
            Interestingly, only 34% defend the Iraq War thingy in 2008 — which is lower than the ACA.

            The ACA has the ability to move up in the polls.
            The Iraq War Thingy – not so much.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq

          • December 24, 2013 at 11:26 am
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            Celtica, if it was affordable as defined by Webster & Random House, I would support this too. Instead, ofnbama rewrite the definition of affordable to read More Expensive.

            If Obama would have kept any of the promises connected to this, Keep your Doctor – Keep Your Plan – More Affordable as defined by Webster – I would support it too.

            So, the concept, I am in favor of. This piece of Shit – NO WAY. Your the only one left.

            Speaking of the war, one of his promises – bring our boys home. How is that working out?
            How did the bail out of the Auto industry work out? A $10 billion dollar hit to you and I.
            Gitmo Still open. Clean energy Industry? How that work out? Any you defend this piece of shit… Justify it by blaming Bush. I don’t justify Bush by blaming OfnBama.

          • December 24, 2013 at 11:49 am
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            BTW, your stats on Bush are not interesting to me at all. They are the past.

          • December 26, 2013 at 9:15 am
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            I support the law because it is a step in the right direction. Although, I had hoped for the single payer plan The President spoke about back in 2007. I was truly thinking we would be getting a public option with this Heritage Foundation ideology of healthcare reform. Instead, President Obama went with a Republican version of healthcare reform expecting to get some support from the Right. To which I would have advised The President, yeah right! Their sole goal is to make you a one-termer, sir.

          • December 26, 2013 at 11:42 am
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            Captain Planet is absolutely correct. “Obamacare” is actually the conservative, Republican, alternative to universal healthcare. He was stupid for letting his name become attached to it. I guess he thought he could take credit for someone else’s work, but it back-fired.

          • December 26, 2013 at 6:14 pm
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            FFA, getting rid of the Mandates and 2,600 pages of this so called law is a good start. Pare it down to offer choices, make it optional about these mandates on the site and they might actually get an enrollment going. They won’t leaving it as it is.

    • December 23, 2013 at 2:53 pm
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      Birth control should not be a covered medical expense!
      Sex is not an illness. Buy your protection on your own. Why should a business owner have to pay extra medical premium so people can get birth control pills? Why should taxpayers subsidize premiums so people can buy birth control pills?

      • December 24, 2013 at 9:43 am
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        Sex is not an illness, but there are millions of Catholic women like myself who need birthcontrol to treat an underlying reproductive health problem.

        • December 24, 2013 at 9:52 am
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          Amos,
          In cases like yours, the birth control pill is a medicine. However, by far, you are in the minority of users of birth control pills for recreation purposes.
          I imagine Colorado will have this issue with marijuana come January when it becomes legal for recreational purposes. Should business owners and taxpayers now pay for or subsidize all marijuana users just because some use it for medical reasons?

      • December 26, 2013 at 11:48 am
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        Cheetoh, which is more expensive: birth control pills or maternity care? How much do you think we’re paying for all of the children (and their parents)on welfare? Why should taxpayers subsidize the costs of unwanted pregnancies so religious people can force their religious beliefs down our throats? Why should taxpayers subsidize the tax deductions taken by those who have kids? Do you have kids? If so, you’ve been subsidized by other taxpayers. But I guess if it benefits you, then it’s ok.

      • December 27, 2013 at 1:37 pm
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        Mully: being pregnant and giving birth are not illnesses either. Should we not offer coverage for that?

        How about preventative care? Have you ever had a physical?…or an eye exam? Typically, we’re not sick for those doctor visits. I say, let’s not cover them!

      • December 30, 2013 at 5:35 pm
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        While it’s true that sex is not an illness, I would observe that its EFFECTS run the same risks as that of illness. If the effects of running two miles a day were to improve heart conditioning and general health, but a significant portion of the population suffered, say, debilitating pain that could be addressed by prescribing a simple pain killer to be taken each day, society would have no problem with such a prescription. If the effect of another legal activity (sex) makes about half of the participants run a serious risk of fatigue, nausea, body aches and other stresses that can force one to take time off from work, whether they want to, or can afford to, or not, and if there is a readily available medication that prevents these effects, this should qualify for inclusion in a plan that covers any other prescription medication.

    • December 23, 2013 at 4:12 pm
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      This is just like saying that one is not being forced to take cyanide but one should be bound to pay for it for those who would like to use it. Maybe you would consider suicide “standard healthcare”, why should I be part of it? You may think it means nothing to you but it means a lot to many of us.

      • December 26, 2013 at 11:51 am
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        By your logic, since one is not forced to have kids, those of us that don’t want to pay for it shouldn’t have to. Sounds good to me. Do you have kids?

        • January 2, 2014 at 10:01 am
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          Fortunately having kids, who are what allow society to exist in the first place, is a good thing for the very same reason. Contracepting on the other hand conditions those involved to believe that sex and kids have nothing in common which is an abject lie. This conditioning intensifies the need to destroy the product of sex by abortion. This, I would say, is demonstrated in your logic assessment where children can be seen as societies burden and not its source and not worthy of support. Talk of suicidal. Mind you that though the phrase “Contraception Mandate” is used in the report it is not restricted to contraception alone but to abortion as well, they certainly go hand in hand.

          On another level, to claim that not supporting a good and committing an evil are equivalent demonstrates poor moral balance for indeed not supporting children and outright killing them have no comparisons whatsoever. Thanks.

          • January 3, 2014 at 9:24 am
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            You wouldn’t need abortion if everyone used contraceptives. So, yes, I guess they do go hand in hand.

      • December 27, 2013 at 2:44 pm
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        Joe: people who don’t have cars still pay taxes to support roads. People who don’t have kids pay taxes to support schools. People who don’t want war still pay to fund an army. We all pay for the Vets’ benefits whether our dads or moms qualify for them…etc.

        We all pay for things we don’t necessarily use, need, or want. BUT IT’S ALL FOR THE BETTER GOOD. That’s how it works. Get it?

        You talk about sex like it’s a a terrible thing. Us humans enjoy being sexual. It’s really not a bad thing. You should try it some time.

        • January 2, 2014 at 9:30 am
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          Well, you talk as though sex has nothing to do with sex. Well, I’m sorry to let you know but it does. And what does contraception do? It makes us believe otherwise and prepares us to kill our children. I am not ready to kill mine nor ready to pay for anyone else to do same. Fortunately this is not tax, it is insurance.

          By the way where did you hear that sex was a bad thing, certainly not from me! All the same it is important that we don’t behave in a way that conditions us to kill the human offspring we all once were, that makes us selfish and self-centered beyond measure.

          • January 3, 2014 at 9:22 am
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            Joe: You do know contraception is not the same thing as abortion, right? Where in this post are people supporting the killing of offspring? It’s called “family planning.” And it’s being responsible – not irresponsible.

  • December 23, 2013 at 1:26 pm
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    This shows how corrupt and confused our US court system has become but it’s not surprising when the entire system is rotten from the top down. This is what happens when you have an inflationary monetary system that rewards theft, debt, leverage, and destruction of the saver. The worst, most reckless, and immoral are rewarded and the most responsible and moral are destroyed and their saving destroyed by devaluation. The government just keep getting more enormous and interventionist since the theft funds it.

    • December 23, 2013 at 1:48 pm
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      What would you expect from a Chicago politician?

    • December 23, 2013 at 2:35 pm
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      This is a circus. An intentional distraction from the real issues at hand such as the ongoing negotiation of a fatally flawed TPP agreement with Obama seeking “fast track” authority in order to railroad this thing up everyone’s you-know-what.

      PS, you say the savers have been destroyed. Inflation is under 2% and the market has doubled in 5 years. The only people that got destroyed were the 90%+ that are squeezed so hard they didn’t have anything to save.

      • December 23, 2013 at 2:53 pm
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        CPI may say that inflation is under 2% but what do you think is fueling the overvalued stock market, food prices, house prices, and gas prices for example. Coincidentally much of that is not counted in the cpi.

  • December 23, 2013 at 1:42 pm
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    I am totally confused as to why this is a problem, because any “good” catholic that follows the teaching of his church is not going to be using birth control, is he/she?
    what’t the problem????? why is the “church” or these employers concerned? surely their employees aren’t diverging from church doctrine, are they?
    (yes, I am attempting humor here, but I am sure some readers won’t see it)

    • December 23, 2013 at 2:37 pm
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      Bob, The point is, this isn’t news, but it gets everyone squawking about stuff that isn’t news.

      When I attend Catholic mass as a good Catholic does, I look out across the pews and see bright smiling couples generally with one or two children each. Given the joke of a success rate of “natural family planning,” I suspect something else is at work…

    • December 23, 2013 at 2:42 pm
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      It’s a matter of conscience. Yes, Catholics would not use birth control. The point is, forcing Catholics to have insurance which covers birth control, would make it appear Catholics are condoning the use of contraceptives. This makes it a huge problem.

      • December 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm
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        I’d bet that even with requiring their health plans to covere birth control, you and I would still know what the stance of the church would be on the issue.

        Dear Catholics and other wacko moralists, please get out of our bedrooms.

        • December 24, 2013 at 10:07 am
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          I doubt any Catholic would want to be in your bedroom but maybe you can attract a few wackos if that is your wish.
          It is sad how religion has fallen in importance to people. The Morals in the USA are horrible. Murders are an everyday occurrence. Babies are being born so mothers can collect more welfare. More and more people don’t take responsibility for their actions.
          Maybe more of us should get Religion!

          • December 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm
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            Religion tells people to multiply whether they can afford it or not. “God” said so in Genesis. Totally irresponsible. Also, there are many people who don’t take responsibility for their actions, because “God” will forgive everything, as long as you go to church and give them some money, say a few “Hail Mary’s”, and everything is fine. No responsibility. Give me your money, and your sins shall be forgiven! No responsibility. It is sad how religion has fallen in importance; now it might be more difficult for the con-artists to scam enough money for their mansions.

    • December 23, 2013 at 5:21 pm
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      Bob, Catholics are free to practice birth control or not, but the employer shouldn’t have to pay for it if their religious beliefs are against it. Besides, it is cheap enough for females to get.

    • December 23, 2013 at 5:29 pm
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      I see it.

      And in case you didn’t know, part of this law mandates that the president will personally hold young Catholic women down and force BCPs down their throats! Honest.

      • December 23, 2013 at 5:43 pm
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        He is too busy on vacation to give a damn about the millions he caused to lose their coverage.

    • December 23, 2013 at 7:26 pm
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      bob, insurance carriers don’t provide benefits without charging a premium for them. The idea that the insured does not have to obtain and use the birth control pills is an individual option. The problem is that the individual or employer is having to pay for a benefit that they dont’ want or believe is immoral.

      • December 26, 2013 at 11:57 am
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        Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that life-saving blood transfusions are immoral. So I guess they should be able to have such things excluded from their employees’ healthcare coverage, right?

      • December 27, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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        Right?

  • December 23, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    jack says:
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    You libtards do realize your employers pay a portion of the premiums right? Next step, employers just stop offering health insurance as a benefit. Millions are going to lose their health insurance in the next couple of years. Going to go ahead and tell you I TOLD YOU SO!

    • December 23, 2013 at 2:04 pm
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      Jack – Next Step??? Current Step.

      • December 23, 2013 at 2:15 pm
        Agent says:
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        Impeachment for the judge, then Impeachment of the Messiah for bringing this down on the American People.

      • December 23, 2013 at 2:53 pm
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        FFA- Both, all those renewals that got offered this year will not be offered next year and in 2015,16 the insurance carriers will realize the administration lied about reimbursements. Can you say bankrupt for the carriers and the nation. Set some cash aside to pay for health care.

        The way money has been digitized by this nation will cause the dollar to fail as a world currency maybe before the collapse of the health insurance industry.

        • December 23, 2013 at 4:35 pm
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          Perhaps the Catholics will re-think voting for Progressive Liberals in the mid terms. It could be overwhelming and make the shellacking of 10 look like child’s play.

          • December 24, 2013 at 9:02 am
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            Agent- it’s hard to win against a party willing to let dead people vote.

    • December 23, 2013 at 4:13 pm
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      • December 23, 2013 at 4:48 pm
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        To attract top notch employees.

        • December 23, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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          FFA — it also attracts slackers.

          • December 23, 2013 at 5:37 pm
            FFA says:
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            Slackers wash out.

            I find it hard to believe that your in the biz and still support this thing. I can officially say that you are the most stubborn person I (don’t) know.

            this is adversely effecting your peers (if your in the biz), women – losing their docs – , your family, your friends. Cost rising, oops skyrocketing, continued excuses by ofnbama, no action being taken to correct this issue, no one being held accountable. This is a bad law. this guy cares so much about joe average that he is in Hawaii at the critical time. His general overall indifference to this issue is unconscionable. But yet, you defend him…

            WHY? What good has he done? I know all about Bush, so blaming / bashing him is not necessary.

          • December 23, 2013 at 6:20 pm
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            Actually, I think that many here need to be reminded about Bush — revisionist history and all. Speaking of Hawaii, here’s a little clip for you to chew on:

            http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/20509217/how-president-obamas-vacation-time-stacks-up

            Here’s how Mr. Obama stacks up against more recent Presidents, if he keeps pace with 168 vacation days over eight years. President George W. Bush took all or part of 297 days at his Texas ranch. Bill Clinton took 174 days at Martha’s Vineyard and Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and Ronald Reagan vacationed 349 days at his California ranch over eight years. Updated: Apr 05, 2013

          • December 23, 2013 at 7:43 pm
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            Celitica, in regards to Bush taking vacation days at his ranch: I live about 30 miles north of Bush’s Crawford, Texas ranch. I remember the local newspapers reporting how certain roads and air space were off limits when Bush was at the ranch. The difference is that Bush held MANY multi day conferences with heads of states at his ranch. In fact, most of that time was tending to the business of being President and at a setting which is much more hospitable than the White House.

          • December 24, 2013 at 9:00 am
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            Celtica- We all know you want single payer-meaning tax payer. So for you to sit there and say why should employers provide it and then say it attracts slackers shows you are drinking the Kool-Aid. Welfare attracts slackers, not employed provided health insurance because they have to GO TO WORK.

          • December 24, 2013 at 1:48 pm
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            Celtica, I ask again, what good has OBama done since he has been riding the tax payers dime?

      • December 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm
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        Another reason – the web site don’t work. People cant get decent coverage elsewhere.

        • December 26, 2013 at 6:04 pm
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          FFA, Obama has done some good (for himself). He has lowered his golf handicap from 20 to 18 due to his lessons from Butch Harmon and Tiger Woods. He is enjoying himself in Hawaii as we speak working on his girly guy swing. I saw a short clip of him playing and he can’t hit it out of his shadow.

      • December 23, 2013 at 7:34 pm
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        I offer to pay for my employees health insurance versus pay and/or raises because it optimizes their compensation. My employee does not have to pay taxes (income, social security or medicare) on the premium. I can expense the cost of the health insurance and don’t have to match federal taxes on the cost of the premium. I’ve been doing this for about 25 years. The problem is that the cost of health care has caused the cost of health insurance to increase so much that as an employer I must now require my employee to either pay part of the cost or start laying off employees.

    • December 26, 2013 at 9:21 am
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      Jack,
      It never should have been provided by employers in the first place. We missed the boat years ago when we could have had Medicare for all. Healthcare as an employee benefit is part of the healthcare problem, not solution. I hope you are right.

  • December 23, 2013 at 1:57 pm
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    For those who don’t think it is a problem- Kind of like telling the liberal media they have to go back to reporting the news instead of slanted opinions. Or telling liberal businesses they had to pay for conservative advertising for their employees. If you don’t believe abortions, contraceptives etc. – you shouldn’t have to pay for it. They are employees not indentures servants. I personally don’t think I should have to pay for anyone else to have sex.

    • December 26, 2013 at 9:25 am
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      So, Normct, how do you feel about the fact that you have been subsidizing boner pills for a number of years now? You know, since you personally don’t think you should have to pay for anyone else to have sex and all.

  • December 23, 2013 at 3:47 pm
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    When the heads of the Catholic Church readily admit – instead of always denying – their problem with pedophile priests, then maybe I’ll believe some of their “concern” over this issue.

    • December 23, 2013 at 4:17 pm
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      Scott: ding, ding, ding — that does ring the bell!

  • December 24, 2013 at 2:06 am
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    The Sebelius, as Obama’s minion,needs to destroy the Catholic Church. This judge, an Obama appointee, supports these attacks.

    The same thing happened with Henry VIII ( Kristallnacht comes to mind, too!) when the King wanted Thomas More to agree with his divorces and serial murders. He couldn’t and Cardinal Wuerl can’t obey the Obamaites, either. The court is in contempt of the Constitution!

    • December 26, 2013 at 6:01 pm
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      Smokes, the King had an interesting way of dealing with dissidents back in the day. Beheading was the most common, but they also had people “drawn and quartered” and their body parts scattered over the countryside. Sir Thomas was an honorable man with deep convictions of what was right and wrong. He and Cardinal Woolsey didn’t fare well.

  • December 24, 2013 at 5:18 pm
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    Folks seem confused about the constitutional issues. The courts have never recognized a general exemption from the law. Recently, even Scalia opined that to do so would be to invite anarchy. To cite just one example off the top of my head, the Supreme Court ruled that Native Americans aren’t exempt from laws banning Peyote, to them a religious sacrament. Religious freedom doesn’t mean that one gets to disregard any law they have an objection to. If so, there’s plenty of laws I object to…

    • December 26, 2013 at 12:19 pm
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      My God says, “Thou shalt not limit thy speed in thy chariots.” I tried to tell that to the cop, but he insisted on infringing upon my religious liberties. How dare he!

      • December 26, 2013 at 8:43 pm
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        There seems to be an contradiction here that can’t be resolved, “not Shirley.” These law-and-order types on here endlessly calling for more severe penalties for whatever infraction also believe you can disregard the law if you object to the law. Orwell defined “doublethink” as the ability to hold two contradictory beliefs simultaneously. Just sayin’

  • December 30, 2013 at 2:06 pm
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    I don’t like the fact that Congress and a bunch of unions are exempt. Please don’t tell me that Congress is not exempt because I checked. Too many exemptions and the ACA has crap plans.

    • December 31, 2013 at 7:47 pm
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      What on earth are you talking about? Congress critters, and virtually every union, have insurance that is in full compliance with the ACA. Nobody is exempt. That just silly…

    • January 2, 2014 at 3:50 pm
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      Bob, did you see the story about the Nun’s Order in Baltimore getting a reprieve from covering birth control for their plan. It came from the Supreme Court, Sotomayer specifically to stay the order. Small victory, but eventually they will have to decide this issue. I hope they don’t punt again like they did on the Constitutionality of the mandates or whether it was a fine or a tax for not obtaining coverage.



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