Obamacare Mandate Delayed Until 2016 for Firms Under 100 Employees

February 11, 2014

  • February 11, 2014 at 9:30 am
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    …and, thus begins the 300 comment-a-thon! Everyone get your popcorn ready!

    At any rate, I hope this winter hasn’t been too rough for all my IJ friends, both libs and cons.

    • February 11, 2014 at 2:44 pm
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      Given the fact he changes laws anytime he feels like it, why doesn’t the dicktator just make it free for everyone?

      • February 11, 2014 at 3:00 pm
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        “dicktator” – how appropriate

        • February 11, 2014 at 4:01 pm
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          Sargeant, yesterday Obama had the French Prime Minister Hollande, his fellow economy ruiner with him and they were touring Jefferson’s home at Monticello. Obama was heard to say on tape that he was the President and he could do whatever he wanted. How arrogant was that? Hollande is a real sweetheart as well. He taxes the wealthy in France to the tune of 70%. No wonder their economy is in the toilet and money is fleeing there. He is right at home with Obama.

          • February 11, 2014 at 4:27 pm
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            You’ll have to provide a source for that one, Agent. I couldn’t find anything anywhere.

          • February 11, 2014 at 5:12 pm
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            Thanks Connie. Knuclehead liberals trolling the Huffington Post or Media Matters would not be seeing any real news. Libby should subscribe to the Washington Times so she can learn something about what is going on.

          • February 11, 2014 at 6:13 pm
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            Thanks Connie. Sounds like Obama is the one that dont know how the system supposed to work.

          • February 12, 2014 at 8:52 am
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            Does anyone on the right understand context? If you honestly believe he was not joking, you are hopeless. He was referring to going against protocol while visiting a national landmark, not running the government.

            Based on other statements he has made and the State of the Union address, it was very poor timing to make that comment.

          • February 12, 2014 at 10:14 am
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            Ron, hard to tell with him. He has been caught in so many lies I dont think he even knows the difference between the truth and a Lie.

          • February 12, 2014 at 1:16 pm
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            Yes, he was “joking.” But there are times when a joke and a Freudian slip can be one and the same thing. He also could be seen as taunting those who oppose him by making this kind of a “joke.” That’s what egomaniacs do.

          • February 12, 2014 at 1:30 pm
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            Agent, you’re welcome. Anyone who says “I couldn’t find that anywhere” isn’t looking very hard. All you have to do is go to Google and type in “Obama I can do what I want” and bunches of articles come up on this incident.

          • February 12, 2014 at 1:45 pm
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            Sorry, Connie, but I did do that. But I didn’t want to spend alot of time on it since Agent never provides a source for anything. I thought I’d ask him to do a little work for a change. But, he skated again because you did it for him.

          • February 12, 2014 at 9:00 pm
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            Agent,
            Yes, I saw it. the Liar in charge is trying to become the dictator in command. Even a lot of the libs choked on that one. Sad. My understanding is that the Democrats up for election, in close races don’t want him to campaign for them. They have also trying to distance themselves from him and have “tried” to now position themselves more toward the middle-right. liars all of them

          • February 12, 2014 at 9:02 pm
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            Agent, yes I saw it see my post below

      • February 11, 2014 at 3:00 pm
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        • February 11, 2014 at 3:10 pm
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          Good idea. Lets all not pay our taxes.

          • February 11, 2014 at 6:08 pm
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            FFA, Wesley Snipes tried that and it got him a stay at the pen. I think he was made an example of. If he were Mark Rich during the Clinton Administration, he would have been pardoned and Rich was the biggest tax cheat in history. By the way, Eric Holder was instrumental getting Rich pardoned. I wonder how much he got for that.

        • February 11, 2014 at 3:27 pm
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          The President is responsible for executing the laws. That is why it is called the Executive branch of government. I see you are assisting BObama in not taking responsibility, as is his habit. The IRS is not changing the law on a weekly basis, the president is.

          For our next president I will vote for anyone who promises and pledges to uphold our Constitution.

          • February 11, 2014 at 3:31 pm
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          • February 11, 2014 at 4:03 pm
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            Technically, the Treasury/IRS made the ruling, but we know where the orders came from.

          • February 11, 2014 at 4:27 pm
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            Oh you do, do you?

          • February 11, 2014 at 4:57 pm
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            It didnt come from me. I know that.

          • February 12, 2014 at 1:19 pm
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            Libby said, “This is perfectly legal (were it not, surely the POTUS would be impeached) and has been utilized by other administrations in the implementation of many other laws.”

            Libby, can you give us specific examples of specific past administrations that have delayed implementation of many other laws, and what specifically were those laws, and how do they compare to Obamacare? Just a couple examples would suffice. You mentioned a civics lesson; I’m asking for a history lesson. Thank you!

          • February 12, 2014 at 1:49 pm
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            You can read about it here:

            http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/conlaw/2013/07/authority-for-aca-delay.ht

            Administrative authority is granted by section 7805(a) of the Internal Revenue Code.

          • February 12, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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            Libby, the link you supplied doesn’t work – comes up as “link is broken.” Besides, I’m not asking for what in the Internal Revenue Code authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury (and not the President, you will note) to do something. I’m asking for specific examples of past administrations, from George Washington to George W. Bush, delaying the implementation of specific laws (you said it has happened before, so give examples). Are you the one who now can’t read?? And by the way, some of those links about the president saying “I can do what I want” on Google were many hours old, available way before you even posted here and said you “couldn’t find anything.”

          • February 12, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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            Whatever, Connie. I’m not in the mood to fight with you. If you want data, look for it yourself. You seem to accept that answer from Agent, so you should also accept it from me. I’m tired of doing everyone’s research for them.

          • February 12, 2014 at 2:42 pm
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            And this.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_Procedure_Act

            See, I’m not such a google slouch.

    • February 12, 2014 at 9:59 am
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      I was actually hoping for a foot of snow today – I really like working from home and that’s the only way it will happen. Sadly, it skipped over me this time. The bitter cold, however, has yet to move on. I am ready for spring.

      • February 12, 2014 at 11:19 am
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        We’re going to get about a foot. Ugh! I can’t take much more…

  • February 11, 2014 at 9:56 am
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  • February 11, 2014 at 11:18 am
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    Whodathunkit – and might I add – “altered or changed” – on a whim.

  • February 11, 2014 at 1:29 pm
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    So If I am self employed, Does that mean I won’t get fined for not providing myself with insurance, but I will still be fined for not making enough money to afford insurance?

    • February 11, 2014 at 3:39 pm
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      YEP.

  • February 11, 2014 at 1:42 pm
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    The winter has been brutal. Another storm coming in tomorrow. I don’t know if I can take anymore.

    But on a serious note, I thought the cons would be happy about this news. Seems not much can make them happy. I kinda feel sorry for them, being so unhappy and all.

    • February 11, 2014 at 2:22 pm
      jack says:
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      Libby- I’m happy the supporters of Obamacareless came out and said the millions of people that will lose their jobs or have their hours cut will enjoy it because they will have more time to spend with their families or pursue other opportunities.

  • February 11, 2014 at 1:50 pm
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    Just got the IJ a few minutes ago and already two comments blanked out.

    i cant imagine there is anything new to add that has yet to be said. Its just further proof this thing needs to go. Poorly designed roll out. Pres with pen in hand changing the law as it was written. Lies, lies and more lies. Dems are in trouble come November.

    Whats the difference between a Super PAC and PAC thats not super?

    On the weather front, It warmer in Sochi. Would have been a good winter to have the Olympics in Chicago…

    • February 11, 2014 at 2:14 pm
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      As amazing as it would be to have it here, I’m not so sure about Chicago being the best place to have the Olympics this winter. I can barely tolerate walking from the train to my office. I can’t even imagine trying to sit through an event in this weather! Although, it would probably be really good business for the local hospitals – they’d be packed with die-hard Olympic-goers suffering from frostbite and hypothermia.

      Although, it’s a balmy 19 degrees today. Looks like we’re getting a heat wave! ;)

      • February 11, 2014 at 2:26 pm
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        My car windows are having a hard time rolling up. Went to the pharmacy last night and had to drive home with the window down. I let it run in the garage for a few more minutes and was able to pull them up while pushing the button. Time to go old school with cranks…

        When they show the local weather map, its always colder by me then in Chicago.

        I am guessing there is someone out there that dont want any comments on this to show. also guessing Obama Bashing been done to death. Time for something new we can all dis agree on…

        • February 11, 2014 at 2:56 pm
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          Yeah, it’s colder by us than downtown, too. This morning, it was about 2 above in the city, but -10 at home.

          My husband drives a Sprinter van for work, and has struggled with getting it to start every morning. During the first “Polar Vortex,” it completely froze up. It took three days and above zero temps to finally get it running again. He’s now started leaving a battery blanket on it overnight, and going out to start it every couple of hours if he has any hopes of getting out in the morning.

          I am so done with this weather. I’ve never been a big fan of the heat, but summer can’t get here soon enough!

          • February 11, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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            We are in the same neck of the woods. Just a spell down the river from each other.

        • February 11, 2014 at 3:13 pm
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          I was going to say there’s always guns, but Sarge beat me to it.

        • February 11, 2014 at 3:30 pm
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          There are still cars with hand-cranked windows? Mine has them, but it’s a 2007 model. I prefer those to power windows – far fewer problems!

      • February 11, 2014 at 3:05 pm
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        Chicago and the Olympics?- HMMM, well it is a gun prohibit city so it should be safe for all right? Oh wait, It has a higher gun crime rate than Detroit which is not a gun prohibit city. So some of the visitors would get robbed at gun point and shot.

        • February 11, 2014 at 3:13 pm
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          Actually, Chicago is not a gun prohibit city. Illinois became a concealed carry state back in July. And Cook County (the county Chicago is in) has submitted about twice as many applications for permits than any other county.

          • February 12, 2014 at 9:16 pm
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            I did see that a judge said the ban was unconstitutional but I dd not know it was resolved. I thought there was an appeal? Good, But wth Rahm “rambo, send people you don’t like a dead fish Emanuel” my bet it will be tough, if not impossible to get a permit to carry.

        • February 11, 2014 at 3:18 pm
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          But the rest of the world hates us… Almost all the venues are already built for a summer Olympics. But the rest of the world hates us….

          Just an observation, Pakistan sent one person to the winter games.

          • February 11, 2014 at 3:39 pm
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            I don’t think the rest of the world hates us.

          • February 11, 2014 at 4:07 pm
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            FFA, remember when BO, Michelle, Oprah and a legion of followers flew AF1 and the fleet of government planes to try to get the Summer Olympics? Their pitch fell on deaf ears and they spent a lot of money going over and coming back for nothing.

          • February 11, 2014 at 4:59 pm
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            Yes, I remember. We were called the arrogant Americans by bringing out the star power.

          • February 12, 2014 at 10:19 am
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            Libby, the IOC tossed Baseball and Softball out of the Olympics. Both American Sports pushed in by the Americans.
            Both tossed out by the rest of the world.

            Chicago had a very strong presentation for the Olympics and barely got any consideration being voted out on the first cut. The USOC bring out the Star Power.

            They take our money and swear to kill all of us.

          • February 12, 2014 at 11:21 am
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            Basketball and baseball should not be Olympic sports anyway. I don’t think any team sports should be in the Olympics.

          • February 12, 2014 at 11:44 am
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            I’m going to contribute to this totally off topic series of comments. I just can’t help myself – we’re talking sports. ;-)

            I have to disagree with you, Libby, on team sports in the olympics. I love team events. Full disclosure – I’m a softball mom. Hockey is my favorite team sport; yes my daughter knows this and loves me anyway. Although, I’m starting to appreciate soccer. I love the European leagues. Fun to watch! I just like that all these people are playing the sport they love and representing their country. It’s awesome, no matter which sport they play.

          • February 12, 2014 at 12:11 pm
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            If you took out the team sports, there would not be too much left.

            I think the pros should stay home.

          • February 12, 2014 at 12:32 pm
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            I love team sports, too. But I don’t think they belong in the Olympics. The Olympics, to me, is about personal skill, stamina, and dedication. Pitting one man against another; i.e. track, triathaon, skiing, skating, swimming, luge, shockput, etc. Team sports have too many variables that affect the outcome.

            And yes, the pros should stay home.

          • February 12, 2014 at 1:18 pm
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            It’s about playing for your country. Being proud of who you represent. The spirit of the olympics is about coming together to compete. Athletes compete against each other even in team events. To me, the coordination of a team is just as important as the individual performances. Team events are just as indicative of athletic ability.

            All just my opinion; it really doesn’t matter to the IOC or anyone else.

          • February 12, 2014 at 1:50 pm
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            Mine was just my opinion, as well. When I thing about the Olympics, I think about ancient Greece. That doesn’t translate to team sports, IMHO. But that’s just me and it doesn’t matter to anyone I’m sure.

        • February 11, 2014 at 5:37 pm
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          Sargeant, do you get the Property Casualty 360 newsletter? A story today that Detroit is the most expensive place in the country to write Auto insurance. I wonder why. Grand Rapids came in third. You must be cleaning up writing Personal Auto up there. My customers scream if Texas rates are a third of what is being charged up there. Our problem is Homeowners down here since we are a weather state. I guess it evens out.

          • February 12, 2014 at 9:32 pm
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            Hello Agent, Yes I get it and I did see the article. I can tell you why Detroit has the highest auto rates in the country. It is because the 97% of the Detroit people who voted for Obama are the same group who commit one of if not the highest car jacking rates in the country, one of the highest theft rates in the country (if not the highest), Detroit- Wayne county is one of the liability hell holes. If you have an accident and you HAVE insurance the cost of the claim goes way up. Additionally, they have one of, if not the highest rate of insurance fraud in the country etc, etc. This is the same group that thinks Sarah Palin was BO’s running mate.
            The problem with that is that the counties that have a border with Wayne Co- Detroit (like my county/town) suffer and insurers charge more to us. Guilt by association. Get outside of Detroit and it is a beautiful, great place to live and raise a family. That said, there is a lot going on in the city so hopefully more of the dregs will get the broom.

    • February 11, 2014 at 2:26 pm
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      FFA, including your own for thumb downs. I thought Libby liked you. There must be a boogereater hiding behind his computer down thumbing today on any Conservative comments. Are there any mountains up there in Chicagoland to have Alpine or Downhill skiing or would they have to transfer the events to Canada to show them?

      By the way, if you had a Group of 105 employees, they have to implement. If the Group has 95 employees, they get a break from complying for another year. The Individual market gets no break at all and have to go into the wonderful exchanges or accept Medicaid where the majority of applicants are going. Isn’t this just great?

      • February 11, 2014 at 2:36 pm
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        That’s Texas Mouth Breather Booger Eater Rock Eater Knuckle Dragger Texas to you.

        • February 11, 2014 at 3:03 pm
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          I knew you were hiding in the bushes booger down thumbing FFA to your hearts content. You seem to have a real problem with legitimate businessmen like FFA & I. You fit the definition of a true Progressive troll.

          • February 11, 2014 at 3:13 pm
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            I never hide behind the bushes, and I can tell you for certain that I don’t thumb up/down any comments. Also just so you know, I used to put chumps like you in business. I used to develop, underwrite, and fund numerous commercial loans over four states and more than 20% of my commercial book was independent agencies. I know the types, with the amount of time you spend on here, my collections staff would have been all over you. Anyone that has to call themselves a legitimate businessman or a “good Christian” knows otherwise. You seem like you would be a better fit for an adult book store.

          • February 11, 2014 at 3:19 pm
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            With that foul mouth, no wonder you dont do that any more.

          • February 11, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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            Actually it makes for a good fit, I would do it if the size of the scale of the job still existed. Unfortunately large insurance companies like to buy up other assets, mismanage them and shut them down.

          • February 11, 2014 at 4:14 pm
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            Right boogereater. I can’t imagine any company hiring you for any position. The key to your statement is that you “used to put chumps like us in business”. Did they fire you for malfeasance? Chumps like me never asked for funding my business. We bought the agency smartly from the prior owner and paid him off by giving commission to him for 3 years on business he personally wrote. Funny thing, we lost almost none of that business and it has led to our profit year after year.

          • February 11, 2014 at 5:05 pm
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          • February 11, 2014 at 5:07 pm
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            Not me. A stack of apps, some manuels and a pat on the back. No guarantees. no nothing. Oh, and a phone book.

          • February 11, 2014 at 5:49 pm
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            Agent, you like how he blames someone else? She has no personal accountability.

            We all know the story behind AIG,now we have a name to put the blame on.

        • February 11, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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          Mr. Texas Mouth Breather Booger Eater Rock Eater Knuckle Dragger Texas, that is.

          • February 11, 2014 at 5:44 pm
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            Hey Booger, you sound a lot like those arrogant AIG types that got caught in the Marsh Mac bid rigging scheme years ago and then the sub prime mess they got into the taxpayers for $182 Billion and change. I will have you know our credit is exemplary with our bank and we can get anything we want at any time. Funny thing is, we haven’t had to make any loans since we have a substantial balance in checking and money market accounts. By the way, we occupy a very nice free standing building and have an electronic sign running 24/7 with our insurance messages. What do you have, a 4X4 cubicle to spout off your nonsense?

    • February 11, 2014 at 3:03 pm
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      With the power of a pen, BO changes the laws on a politcal whim. I can’t wait for a president that seeks a stronger America to be in office. With the power of a pen, he (she) can remove ACA. The difference between the two, the latter will have the support of the USA!

      • February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am
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        Tell that to anyone with a pre-x condition, someone who was not able to previously secure coverage, or someone who had their limits exhausted. The mandate sucks and you are right, that doesn’t poll well. But, all the benefits of the PPACA poll well. Problem is, President Obama bought into the conservative approach of the including the mandate. Should have just been Medicare for all, single payer, or at least, a public option. Instead, President Obama chose the Heritage Foundation’s plan. So much for being a radical liberal. Guy swings right of Reagan in many cases. Reagan couldn’t win the nomination with the current conservatives running the show. And, I mean the real Reagan. Not the trumped up Saint Reagan version that lives only in myth.

        • February 12, 2014 at 12:15 pm
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          Cap, The people with Pre X had a coverage option available. In IL, it was called ICHIP.

          That argument is not valid at least in Illinois.

          • February 12, 2014 at 12:33 pm
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            At what kind of premium?

          • February 12, 2014 at 12:50 pm
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            Proper Premium for the Risk. He could have worked in that system. Based on what is going on in my agency with ACA, no way these premiums hold. Premium can not support the claims. One bill on my wife burned through three months of premium… Just the hospital bill. No doc. No Radiology. Now, they are sending her for another MRI. Add a 4th RX this week to the list. Huge Loss Ratio going on here.

          • February 12, 2014 at 1:02 pm
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            So that means only rich people are entitled to healthcare in this country. Not a workable system as far as I’m concerned.

          • February 12, 2014 at 1:07 pm
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            It was a workable plan that did need some changes. It was affordable as I know a few that were on it that are not rich. So, that would blow that assumption out of the water.

          • February 12, 2014 at 1:52 pm
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            Was the program was subsidized by the state in some way?

          • February 12, 2014 at 2:07 pm
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            That I am not aware of. Was not a marketable product for agents. We were out of the loop. Blue Cross was Administrator. Only thing my Uncle complained about was the deductible.

          • February 12, 2014 at 9:37 pm
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            FFA- Not valid in several states. So captain- those people who lost their policies, many with pre-existing conditions (million of them at last count) are somehow better off now?

  • February 11, 2014 at 2:31 pm
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    There are some ski hills in Southern WI. Alpine Valley comes to mind. Also got Devils Head, Christmas Mountain and Cascade out side the dells. Stevie Ray Vaughn died there after a concert when his Helo crashed. But I dont think they are 2.12 miles long. We do have a ski jump up the river. They launch off the ramp into the river to practice.

    But no – no mountains. Just cold all year long. Talking wind chills down to 20 below tonight.

    • February 11, 2014 at 3:04 pm
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      Perhaps they could have all the ice skating, speed skating etc on Lake Michigan. I would imagine that is frozen over by now.

      • February 11, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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        About 100 feet out is solid. Even see smobile tracks on the river. Have not seen that for years.

  • February 11, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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    Let’s see, mandate delayed until 2016? Gee, would that have anything to do with the upcoming elections? Obama must have took a calculator and figured out the impact on employees working in these firms. Then figured that the voters would sway to the Democrats if they did NOTHING on this wonderful piece of legislation (I am being facetious here). Then when the election is over and the employees come out from under the ether they get hit but it will be too late. The rest of Obama’s voters can’t read or don’t listen to the radio or watch TV so they would vote mindlessly anyway.

    • February 11, 2014 at 3:33 pm
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      The thing that amuses me is, there’s always “an upcoming election.” So if they keep delaying this piece of garbage until “after the next election,” they’ll be delaying it into perpetuity! (Which would suit a lot of us just fine.)

    • February 11, 2014 at 3:33 pm
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      You nailed it Sargeant! Too bad 50% of America is too stupid to get it.

      • February 11, 2014 at 4:15 pm
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        Jack, I might add including some on this forum. Too stupid to get it.

        • February 12, 2014 at 8:54 am
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          Agent,

          Don’t be so hard on yourself.

      • February 12, 2014 at 10:16 pm
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        Thanks Jack. Unfortunately this will do really nothing for the businesses that fall into this. They have had 3 1/2 years of this legislation so why does another 12 months matter? I would bet many have already made plans and are moving forward. so I see for pure political reasons and fodder for the mindless BO followers

        Besides that, Obama seems to now want to cut side deals and exception for all kinds of classes except who? The individual who is getting hosed the most. There goes the law of large numbers and risk spread. Great

  • February 12, 2014 at 12:25 pm
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    The conservative wackjobs are at it again.

  • February 12, 2014 at 9:53 pm
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    So, I saw a couple of things today including one on CNN that said and get this:

    *CNN reported that a new study by the congressional budget office (CBO) said there would be imminent financial problems in the US if something is not done to reduce the US debt which is now at 17.3 trillion and running. This would include US Bond Default (Never happened in history of US), Credit downgrade etc. DUH

    Second, an article that said that 50% of the Obamadoesn’tcare enrollees have not paid anything for the insurance they signed up for and those that have paid are not the best risk class.

    Third, The Federal Government (current administration) has spent more time developing a website that still does not work and is not secure, than time we spent winning World War two.

    Unbelievable- That should make those Democrats proud.

    • February 13, 2014 at 10:23 am
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      But Sarge, its affordable. OBama Said So. Maybe on his fat cat income…

  • February 17, 2014 at 10:54 am
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    Once the government declares war on its citizens whether individually or en masse, the citizens have no chance. If a government agency, like the IRS, decides to investigate you, you would not be able to afford the cost of fighting a long battle that they could draw out forever, if need be. This is why we need to have an honest governmental system on which we can rely. Because our founders knew all too well that human beings, being imperfect and possessing a natural desire to control when given the opportunity, they built checks and balances into our system of government and tied it all together with the Bill of Rights. Sad to say, the left has been whittling away at this for some 100 years here and this latest Obamacare change is but one example of a presidency that is moving towards dictatorial power so that once the “transformation’ is complete, all power is concentrated at the top, elected representatives being relegated to window dressing.



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