Employers Raise Employees’ Deductibles to Curb Health Costs

By Caroline Chen | March 13, 2014

  • March 13, 2014 at 1:43 pm
    Ed T says:
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    I thought Obamacare was going to lower the cost of health insurance, not raise it. Oh yea that was the lie so that they ram it down our throats. Thanks libs.

  • March 13, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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    “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.”
    “If you like you doctor, you can keep your doctor.”
    “Families will save over $2,500 per year.”
    “This will be the most transparent adminstration ever.”
    “It was the result of a video, not a terrorist attack.”
    “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.”
    “I did not inhale.”
    “That depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is.”

    • March 13, 2014 at 2:16 pm
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      So Dave, The Architect of Obamacare, Ezekiel Emanuel has a book coming out on the inside scoop of Obamacare. He has been asked What was the point of Obamacare if not to insure the uninsured? Answer: To destroy the insurance companies. It was designed to destroy freedom in medicine and to bring “change” to the relationship of citizens to government. I would say that is an accurate statement given what has come down. By the way, if the insurance carriers had been given that statement, would they have jumped on the bandwagon and tried to make it work?

      • March 13, 2014 at 4:37 pm
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        If you have ever listened to an interview with Ezekiel Emanuel, you may come to the conclusion I did, he is the angel of death. I would never want him treating me or anyone I know or care about. If he was running thngs, you would not be making any decisions about your health and if over a certain age, or seriosuly ill, you just need to die for the good of others.

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      • March 13, 2014 at 10:11 pm
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        Like his brother, his President, Valerie Jarret and everybody else in Obama’s administration, Ezekiel is a Socialist. To make socialism take hold, you first socialize medicine. That is the goal of everybody mentioned above.

  • March 13, 2014 at 2:09 pm
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    ACA has barely even started yet. Premiums have been increasing at an amazing level. Had the lowest level of premium increase this year at my company. It’s a start and it will improve when the all the blockers to progress get out of the way.

    • March 13, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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      Dream on, sl.

  • March 13, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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    ACA is giving the insurance companies a lifeline.

    Medicare is growing. Aging population is leaving employer & voluntary plans as they turn 65. (Hello Babyboom)

    Medicaid is growing due to poverty in the US.

    Uninsured is high and would continue with low wage service economy with workers that cannot afford healthcare.

    The Employer Based and Voluntary market is decreasing. Given the demographics of age, wage and poverty how do you expect the health care insurance companies to be sustainable without ACA?

    Voluntary market has been decling since 2000. Current data (prior to ACA):
    31% of people Medicare / Medicad
    16% uninsured
    Total 47%

    Only 53% of people have voluntary or employer based coverage and it’s declining.

  • March 13, 2014 at 3:35 pm
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    I guess no one’s health care ever changed over last few decades to deal with rising medical costs. Mine did — and that was well before the ACA was the battle cry of the GOP.

    • March 14, 2014 at 10:35 am
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      Its no longer the battle cry of the GOP. It is the battle cry across all the land. People from one coast to another have been screwed by this. Weather is higher cost, losing coverage, higher ded and coming soon to a 1040 with your name on it, higher taxes.

    • March 17, 2014 at 6:37 pm
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      You are such a partisan jerk.

      The ACA wasn’t a battle cry for democrats?

      There wasn’t a video with Paul Ryan pushing a granny off a cliff?

      There wasn’t a campaign email stating that people would die without the ACA?

      You want to talk battle cry? Republicans offered several plans, it wasn’t about a battle. It was about getting it done. That’s what is wrong with people like you. You see it as a dance.

      They fought against the inferior plan, as they should have.

      I’ve already posted the republican plan. If you can tell me what it was, and you better get at least two of the major areas that would have helped people quite a bit, I will give you a cookie.

      List it Celtic.

      Show me you know what you’re talking about. You should know before you talk out of your rear @$$.

      • March 18, 2014 at 8:31 am
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        How can we support legislation so complex that it was not even read by the democratic congressmen who voted on it. As Pelosi instructed…”vote on it now, you can read it later.” Further evidence are the continuing number of exceptions and delays coming out of the Whitehouse – who once again decide what portions of the law they will enforce at their own discretion. What has been enacted is not the ACA legislation. Why are our democratic legislators so afraid of amending a flawed piece of legislation?

  • March 13, 2014 at 4:32 pm
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    With the higher deds, i.e. 1500-3000 per person,a family of 4 is spending 6000 to 12000 out of pocket in deds alone, not counting higher co pays and premiums. There is nothing affordable about this. Since the ACA was passed, my ded has risen from 250 to 3000, but it’s all good folkes, it’s just the GOP making a stink. No Celtic, it is just a complete and total disaster.

    • March 13, 2014 at 4:56 pm
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      My deductible for the past 7 years has been $5000 with another $2000 for co-insurance. And now Obama wants people to give up their cell phones and cable TV to be able to pay for the mandatory ACA premiums that they cannot afford to pay. What happened to Obama’s promise that ACA plans would be as expensive as cell phone bill? Maybe he should put his money where his mouth is and not go on vacations that cost the tax payers $100K a pop. Honestly – what were you people thinking when you voted for this community organizer for president not once – but twice mind you.

      • March 13, 2014 at 5:30 pm
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        Hi Always. By the way, he also said shopping for Health Insurance would be as easy as going on Amazon.com. He said he would save the average family $2,500 per year. Also, his vacations cost a lot more than 100K. The typical Hawaii vacation runs about $4million counting AF1, all the support aircraft, vehicles, rent places for Secret Service etc,etc. People like Libby & Ron voted for him twice and that shows their lack of intelligence.

        • March 13, 2014 at 5:52 pm
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          Hi Agent. Disgusting. That is all I can say is disgusting. The man has no morals let alone a soul. I’ve never come across a president who so blatantly lies about EVERYTHING and goes so unscathed. Obama should have been impeached on so many different issues it’s not even funny anymore. Yet, we still have the lying SOB in office. How is this even possible?

          • March 13, 2014 at 6:32 pm
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          • March 13, 2014 at 7:23 pm
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            Celtica, It’s funny how some polls got 108% of the vote and a mummified woman who was dead for the last few years in MI even voted for Obama last term. Please tell me this election and the last were not fixed? Voter fraud was more rampant in these last elections than ever before. Obama is nothing more then a Chicago-thug who thinks he can do anything he wants without consequences of his actions. The tables are starting to turn and his empire is staring to crumble. He now is giving people letters of hardship because they can’t afford the AFFORDABLE healthcare that they are, by his law, to purchase. Now don’t you find that in the least very interesting? And, and, now he’s having the insurance companies extend all the policies that had a one year extension for another year so those nasty cancelation letters don’t go out before midterm elections because insurance companies have an obligation to send out cancelation letters 90 days in advance. What a bunch of malarkey. Obama must really think that everyone who got one of those dreaded cancelation letters is stupid not to think that in 12 months down the road they aren’t going to be getting another one because at that point he won’t give a crap, not that he doesn’t give a crap now because he sure is trying to do damage control. Other presidents have used executive orders too but not to change a law that the Supreme Court upheld. Not at least to my knowledge. This whole thing is a joke and I hope he falls right on his face because of it which is sad because if he fails we all fail. The man had no experience for the job – he’s just another fast-talking Chicago-thug Politian and I know what I’m talking about because I have lived in is home-town of Chicago all of my life. We have plenty of politicians sitting in jail right now, and funny, that list seems just to be growing.

          • March 13, 2014 at 10:07 pm
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            Celtica, please share with us the “documented” lies by Bush you refer to. And don’t give us the same old tired crap liberal talking point about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Intelligence at the time out of the US, Great Britain, France, Germany, Israel and other sources all point to it. I’m not saying there may not have been some bad intelligence, but to say Bush lied about the intelligence is pure unadulterated liberal bullshit and you know it unless you are as stupid as I believe you are. As compared to the “good” intelligence that Obama got about Benghazi and how it was a terrorist attack within hours of the attack, but he and all within his administration blatantly lied about it for weeks because there was an election coming up. You really want to go there? Tell us all about George Bush’s documented lies as opposed to Obama’s deliberate and obvious lies. Please enlighten us all. Or shut up your liberal BS.

          • March 14, 2014 at 12:14 pm
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            Ron, Always lives in Chicago. Come election day and flip on any news station. You cant avoid it.

          • March 14, 2014 at 1:42 pm
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          • March 14, 2014 at 2:10 pm
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            Ron, ABC News, CBS News, WGN News, NBC News CLTV News (All Local News Outlets, not national).

            Why do I get Voter ID Cards in the mail about 4 – 5 times a year and they don’t even ask for them when I go vote? Why bother going through the cost of printing and mailing them? They just end up in the shredder.

            If the fraud has had any effect on an election, I can not remember off the top of my head. As I have stated in the past, its all history. I need to move forward.

            All this jamming and bashing about past presidents… I don’t get it. We need to get through the current situation and look to the future. People that still defend this in this forum are fading. Even Libby wants it off the books in its current form.

          • March 14, 2014 at 2:42 pm
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            Yes, FFA, but people that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It’s important to examine the past in order to plan for the future.

          • March 14, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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          • March 14, 2014 at 4:05 pm
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            Ron & Libby, All I recall being reference to Bush & Lies are around the WMD. International Intelligence and US Intelligence “found” evidence that they were in Iraq.
            We went in. Could not find them. All of a sudden, Syria is dropping Chem Weapons on their people.

            Why do we continue to debate this point? Seems obvious to me that Iraq got them out into Syria before we went in.

            What other lies did Bush put out there? What can we learn from this? Politicians lie? We all know that. Talking about what Reagan did or didnt do? How does that help us today? Currently, economy is in trouble. Cost on everything is jumping including Medical Care. The PPACA solved nothing. It hurt people on many levels – higher Premium, Higher OOP, Cant keep the Docs. Cant keep what they had.

            How does Bush Bashing help today?

          • March 14, 2014 at 4:07 pm
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            Ron says:”FFA,

            Why Illinois wastees your money on sending voter ID cards more than once a year to remind you where to vote is beyond me.”

            Only one answer – Cause its Illinois.

          • March 14, 2014 at 4:22 pm
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          • March 14, 2014 at 4:28 pm
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            He puts his Cloward-Pivin training to good use, doesn’t he?

          • March 14, 2014 at 4:46 pm
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            Ron, I call everyone out. You seem to post using logic & fact – not emotion.

            I know that past pres got us to a point. Then OBama excel-orated it at an unprecedented rate. Its nuts the mess my grand children and their children are going to be stuck with.

          • March 14, 2014 at 4:57 pm
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            At least when Slick Willy lied, he would bite his lip and say he felt our pain. This President feels nothing for the citizens of this country. He is married to his agenda come hell or high water. Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead. People like Libby & Ron are still re-arranging the deck chairs while the ship is sinking.

          • March 17, 2014 at 10:11 am
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            “Always Amazed says: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/illinois-voter-fraud. Tada!”

            Yet, the first article doesn’t support your hypothesis.

            “People move out of Rock Island County and nobody notifies us,” Ms. Kinney said. “People die and no one notifies us. Those voters stay on file for two federal elections.”

          • March 17, 2014 at 10:59 am
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          • March 17, 2014 at 1:20 pm
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            Ron,

            Oh, my, god, are you persistent in bull crap.

            Let me ask you a question: If Reagan and Obama both took Keynesian tactics, why did one fail so poorly and one didn’t?

            You don’t have an answer.

            Reagan did not support Keynesian policies. By definition Keynesian is basically tax cutting and increased spending. Reagan went for the former, but not the later.

            I already posted in here this link, but because you missed it, this is one of many articles alluding to the fact that Reagan was trying to cut and congress was having none of it:

            http://www.nytimes.com/1987/01/06/politics/06REAG.html

            You are a liberal, you are ignoring the other side that has already debated and said Reagan was not Keynesian in policy. Google that, idiot. Rather than googling Ronny was a Keynesian.

            Compare facts, not a bunch of other people’s conclusions.

            Republicans always cut taxes. And Democrats always force them to increase spending at the same time. It is always the same dance, we won’t cut taxes unless you let us spend more. They make it about the poor. They say “if you are helping the rich with lower taxes, we are increasing spending so the people don’t suffer”.

            This is not an opinion, and you need to pay attention you whiny little kid!

          • March 17, 2014 at 6:43 pm
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            Also Ron,

            When republicans blame anyone (clinton most likely) for the past, they usually reference the loans and the CRA regs he put in place.

            Only if you had a high CRA rating would you be allowed to bid on certain loans, or grow to a certain size. Not all loans are CRA, but all firms have to do well with CRA to be allowed to thrive. The regulations Clinton passed and changed were a lot of the reason for this mess.

            Just because republicans bash Clinton, and people Bash Obama, and people Bash bush, doesn’t make all bashing equal.

            Bashing on Bush is usually over exaggerated.
            Bashing on Obama, (moderates) like you say isn’t fair (and were silent in regards to Bush)
            Bashing on Clinton, when done for CRA Regs makes sense. Also, he himself said he let the corporate tax rate get to high.

            It’s called critiquing for the right reasons, or getting pissed for the right reasons. You are more focused on trying to prove they are all equal than finding out why they are different.

            This isn’t high school Ron. It’s not a popularity contest where we are all equal. We are NOT all equal Ron. I’m not Equal to you Ron. Grow up.

    • March 17, 2014 at 1:35 pm
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        Max rated Groups & the pre X Crowd are the only ones I have found with cost going down.

  • March 14, 2014 at 12:27 am
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    • March 14, 2014 at 9:31 am
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      Hey Always, according to FFA who also lives in the Chicago area, Quinn may be the next thug Governor to grace the prison system. How many does this make now, 3 or 4? It is really a shame that the State of Illinois cannot get their act together and elect responsible leaders of the state. Did you see the recent CNN show where the wonderful Van Jones had Rick Perry & Quinn talking about job creation etc? Rick ran circles around Quinn who clearly has no clue. Quinn thinks the state should raise taxes on businesses to create new jobs, kind of like his idol Obama.

      • March 14, 2014 at 10:17 am
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        http://www.cnbc.com/id/101492996?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=101492996%7CObamacare%27s%20problem:%20You

        When Killary is president! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Does Benghazi ring any bells with you and the NSA, IRS just to name a few. You know all those “phoney” scandals the president blames Fox news on. I don’t think the public is as stuip as you libs think they are. Why do you supposed Lerner is pleading the 5th? IF the Obama Administration did nothing wrong – why, pray tell, isn’t she talking. I rest my case.

        • March 14, 2014 at 10:18 am
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          that should have read stupid – I now how critcal all of you can be.. sorry for the typo.

        • March 14, 2014 at 12:07 pm
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          • March 14, 2014 at 12:29 pm
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            No Libby, I hold the video that the Obama Administration lied about responsible – sarcasm intended. Isn’t that the bold faced lie she and her boss told the families of the 4 people who were slain in that terrorist attack. Yes, I do blame her and Obama for it. Someone gave that stand down order.

          • March 14, 2014 at 12:39 pm
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            Speaking for myself, I don’t blame her for the nutbag terrorists attacking the embassy. I blame her and the Prez for not sending help after they found out the attack was taking place. Even if the help arrived “too late,” it would have been better than not sending any at all, because how do you know how long the attack will go on?

          • March 14, 2014 at 1:38 pm
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            I blame her for not sending the help they asked for prior to the incident.

          • March 14, 2014 at 1:45 pm
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            I blame her, President Obama and the entire administration for their poor reponse and dishonesty after the terrorist attack.

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            And that Libby is the $64,000 question. Who has the authority to give such an order? Obama? Clinton? Who? 4 people died and Ambassador Stevens was tortured before he was killed. If that were a loved one of yours perhaps you would feel differently. But, as Hillary said “What difference at this point does it make?” How heartless and cold of her. The truth will come out when the democrats stop protecting Obama and his Chicago-thug Administration – a scary bunch to piss off.

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        Hi Agent, I was at the Burger Fest in Roscoe Village 2 years ago and Quinn graced us with his presence. Not one person in the crowd applauded when he got on the stage and not one applauded when he left. Shows how popular he is here. I don’t watch CNN that often, for obvious reasons, but I would have liked to have seen that segment. I’ll look on You Tube for it. Yes, IL is the highest state in the union for corruption. The reason Chicago is called the “Windy City” has nothing to do with our weather – it was dubbed that because of the politician blowing hot air out of their mouths and it appropriately fitting.

        • March 14, 2014 at 12:41 pm
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          Always, I have heard that a good part of middle and southern Illinois has Conservative leanings and the northern third including Chicago has the big population so they dominate politics in the state and keep electing the thugs. Is that about right? The Daley machine has maintained power for a very long time and they got Emanuel installed as mayor. Gee, what a treat to have “Dead Fish” as a mayor.

          • March 14, 2014 at 3:00 pm
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            Agent, Rham is worse than Daily by far. He is your typical Chicago-thug bully. I’ve heard stories of him with his bodyguard in tow actually physically pushing people around and getting up their faces. I think more and more people in this sate are waking up and coming to their senses on how destructive the Democratic Party has been for Chicago and IL. It really is a beautiful city and I love living here but taxes in this town and in IL have a lot of people moving elsewhere. Rham has really got to go. Maybe one day he, Blogo & Quinn will all be jail buddies.

          • March 14, 2014 at 5:35 pm
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            Rahm certainly let the murder rate got out of hand. Seems to be getting a grip on it now. Maybe its just because of the winter dragging on.

            Where in this world is the global warming anyways???

        • March 14, 2014 at 12:47 pm
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          Connie, the attack lasted for nearly 7 hours. We had forces available that could have been there in an hour or so had they been ordered to do so. Instead, the order was given to stand down. I hold Hillary and Obama to blame and then they lied again and again making up false stories for political reasons and let our brave people get slaughtered. This is pretty much treasonous. Remember when Hillary was running in 08 and famously said – Who do you want to get the call at 3:00 AM if there is a crisis? She apparently didn’t answer the call and neither did Obama. He was too busy planning his fund raiser in Nevada to bother with it.

          • March 14, 2014 at 2:10 pm
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            Agent, as usual, you are absolutely right (Libby’s head just exploded) – One of the “talking points” was that they wouldn’t have been able to get help there in time, but the attack lasted for hours, and the administration didn’t even TRY to get any help there. Plus, I amend what I said in my previous post – I DO blame Killary for the attack, because this was a very dangerous part of the world, and the anniversary of 9/11 as well, so they should have had extra security protecting that embassy “just in case.” An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. And they did nothing. And then they stand next to the flag-draped caskets and the grieving parents and tell those repugnant lies about the video being to blame. It makes my skin crawl.

          • March 14, 2014 at 5:04 pm
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            Libby is focusing on a light Colonel Gibson??? Every story I have read about this fiasco involved a General Hamm who was head of the African command. I think he testified before Congress and said he knew it was a terrorist attack when it started and told the Defense Dept and State Department. That should have triggered the response and we had forces in Tripoli and Italy which could have responded. It doesn’t take long for jets to fly across the narrow Mediterranean to Benghazi and they could have made a difference until we got troops in there to help. A few sidewinders to the keester of the Al Quida boys might have been life saving to our boys and the Ambassador. We may never know who gave the order to stand down since the White House will not come clean. If I were betting, Valerie Jarrett had something to do with it and our girly guy wasn’t even in the situation room that we know of.

          • March 21, 2014 at 2:17 pm
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            Well, “light” Colonel (which I’m sure outranks you by a country mile) is the person that was supposedly given the stand down order and he denies it. If Hamm gave it, why isn’t he admitting it?

    • March 14, 2014 at 3:38 pm
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      Hey Always, I knew “brainless” Ron would not accept any of your proof on voter fraud. He is a true believer of the Socialist Left. The Huffington Post is not exactly a bastion of Conservatism. Why would they publish something that damages the left. I wonder if he will go on Townhall.com and view the liar in chief regarding people not being able to keep their doctor. The promise is there and the second video states that people may not be able to keep their doctor. Libby doesn’t have sound, so she will have to read lying lips.

      • March 14, 2014 at 4:23 pm
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        Hi Agent, Point well made. Ron will spin any proof you show him to fit his agenda. Typical Liberal. I’m not a fan of the Huffington Post either but found it very interesting that they would write such an article but I think some of the left are starting to wake up and seeing what this administration is all about. Smoke and mirrors and nothing but distractions to take away from the issues like reducing our military down to almost nothing. But fear not, Obama will make nice with all the countries that want to kill us and with his sparkling personality we should have nothing to worry about; right?

        • March 14, 2014 at 9:26 pm
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        • March 18, 2014 at 12:23 pm
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          Hey Always, the libs cannot point to any case where a Republican voter voted multiple times in an election like the convicted Democrats did. Libby likes to rant that the Republicans stole Florida when Gore lost and had recounts. The recounts showed Gore falling further behind. Remember pregnant chads? We know many of those low information voters in Florida cannot figure out a simple ballot.

          • March 18, 2014 at 12:32 pm
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            Agent,

            And Republicans cannot point to a single case where voter ID laws would have made a difference in an election.

          • March 18, 2014 at 1:12 pm
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            Do any of you remember The Palm Beach Hokie Pokie?

            http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/00/Nov/pokey.html\

            I do!

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        • March 18, 2014 at 6:14 pm
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          Good one Always. Ron and Libby have been doing the Hokey Pokey for the past 5 years for the President and actually voted for him twice. They are seriously brainwashed into believing he is doing a good job, no matter what the polls say.

    • March 17, 2014 at 2:23 pm
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      Bob, you make some good points, but every Keynsian I have ever known and what I studied about has them spending more and raising taxes at the same time. They seem to think the government needs to “prime the pump” to get increased spending in the economy. The problem with that is that taxes have to be increased for that type of spending, then the economy slows down with higher taxation which discourages investment, hiring with companies etc. Carter had a 70% tax rate. Gee, why weren’t more jobs created with that lovely rate? Why is France’s current economy in the toilet with the same rate? Reagan took the rate down to 28% and revenues increased with more taxpayers, more jobs created, more investment. Congress couldn’t live with that and deficit spent even more than the increased revenue could support. If we ever had politicians in office that would keep tax rates down and keep their sorry mitts off our money, we might actually get to a balanced budget, a concept they have never accepted since their brain is pea sized.

      • March 17, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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        Agent,

        That’s why I said “Basically”. Keynesian style policies always lead to higher taxes. Most moderates think it is because of the lost tax revenues from lower taxes. It is in fact from the increased spending. Lower taxes help the GDP to grow which allows for lower debt to gdp ratios. Even with Reagan the debt to gdp ratio was very good, and started going down after his presidency, and that happened including some good years. It was due to lower taxes and GDP growth from his policies.

        I talk about the top rate a lot myself, so I know exactly what you’re talking about. We apparently want to mimic every country that isn’t getting out of the recession…Rather than ourselves when we crushed them all in the 80′s and 90′s. It is so insane that people like Ron are re-writing history in order to think of both parties as the same, and Reagan and Obama as the same. We aren’t a victim to the economy. We are a victim to bad policies.

        • March 17, 2014 at 3:33 pm
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          You are right Bob. The libs like Ron think by lowering taxes they will always lose tax revenue that the government absolutely has to have for operations. Their low information brains simply cannot absorb the fact that lower tax rates spur economic growth, create jobs and more taxpayers paying in and revenue is actually more. That is not to mention that we would have a lower number taking entitlements/welfare. Jobs, jobs, jobs is where it is at. Why do we have a situation where about half the citizens do not pay Federal Income Tax? A Flat Tax is the answer, but politicians just don’t want to go there and haven’t in my adult lifetime.

          • March 17, 2014 at 3:45 pm
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            Agent,

            Tax rates remain the lowest since the 1950s. WHERE IS ALL OF THE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND JOBS??????

            If there is a flat tax, and I am assuming no deductions, what is the number? By doing that you do realize that you are advocating for the government to take more money from its citizens, right? Which will lead to less money going into the private sector leading to less demand for goods and services and profits for the corporations which leads to fewer jobs. And you call me a Socialist.

          • March 17, 2014 at 3:58 pm
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            Corporate tax rates remain extremely high, and ours were 2nd highest in the world.

            Where are all the jobs?

            When you waste money on the wrong sections of the economy it is just as bad if not worse for the economy.

            When you put in place regulations on the housing market that crush sales, you make the economy not rebound.

            Taxes are one part of the puzzle. Bad regulations are another.

            It is not just one thing. You argue like such a child. First you say Reagan’s Keynesian economics fixed the country, and Obama is doing the same thing, and praise Reagan for fixing the economy, then you ask the obvious question: Where are the jobs?

            Easy answer: Reagan and Obama aren’t the same, so obviously the jobs aren’t here because Obama sucks. Next question, move on kiddo.

            Have you even looked at the housing regulations put in place? It is insane. The housing market isn’t being allowed to recover. Have you paid attention to Obama’s goal of keeping housing costs high? That is one of the purposes of QE. Keep housing costs high, but still affordable with artificially lower interest rates. What do you think will happen when we can no longer afford to keep the rates low?

            Why is the economy not booming? There are many reasons.

            I just listed several. And all you can focus on, you partisan hack, is how Obama and Reagan are the same on spending! And you are the reason people aren’t voting for the right people!

            Do some proper research and stop arguing partisan politics if you are such a moderate.

            You do it specifically to avoid tough decisions. Republicans are better right now. Get over it. Vote for them. You didn’t want the ACA, get over it, vote for the republicans in congress who are trying to get rid of it instead of declaring it a dead issue.

            Vote for change, not to deal with the crap so to speak that you can’t do anything for.

            You are a hopeless dead beat, who just begs for bad things in life. Grow a pair.

          • March 17, 2014 at 4:01 pm
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            I mean really Ron,

            You don’t want the ACA, and you now are voting against the republicans in office because they are trying to get rid of it and they shouldn’t try for change according to you.

            If you want something VOTE FOR IT. God you are such an annoying kid.

            Let the republicans do what you want them to do. Vote in Romney, vote in the congress republicans, and watch them pass the things you want, rather than complaining that they won’t reach middle ground with democrats.

            When they are doing the right thing they don’t have to throw in democrat treats.

            Damned if they do throw in democrat treats (spending) damned if they don’t (they can’t pass a bill).

            In what scenario would you let the republicans win out on a decision?

            You are “this is damned, this is damned,” type of guy when it comes to republicans but not democrats. Get your head out of your rear end, or I’ll keep calling you an uneducated, brat.

          • March 17, 2014 at 4:54 pm
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            Agent,

            I’m not sure where I stand on a flat tax. You certainly can’t expect to help the middle class taxing them more.

            I’m all for the cut spending, but I think the taxes on the middle class should actually be absurdly low (other than social security and medicare and basic services)

          • March 18, 2014 at 4:56 pm
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            Flat tax is not the right way to go as it advocates the elimination of deductions, just shifts expenses to another class, and puts trust in government rate setting.

            It is usually added by flat-tax proponents, that eliminating deductions is good because it would enable the federal government to cut the current tax rate then substantially.

            But this view assumes, for one thing, that present deductions from the income tax are immoral subsidies or “loopholes” that should be closed for the benefit of all. A deduction or exemption is only a “loophole” if you assume that the government owns 100% of everyone’s income and that allowing some of that income to remain untaxed constitutes an irritating “loophole.” Allowing someone to keep some of his own income is neither a loophole nor a subsidy. Lowering the overall tax by abolishing deductions for medical care, for interest payments, or for uninsured losses, is simply lowering the taxes of one set of people (those that have little interest to pay, or medical expenses, or uninsured losses) at the expense of raising them for those who have incurred such expenses.

            There is furthermore neither any guarantee nor even likelihood that, once the exemptions and deductions are safely out of the way, the government would keep its tax rate at the lower level. Looking at the record of governments, past and present, there is every reason to assume that more of our money would be taken by the government as it raised the tax rate back up (at least) to the old level, with a consequently greater overall drain from the producers to the bureaucracy.

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:17 pm
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            Live Free,

            I actually agree with everything you just said.

            Nice post.

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:44 pm
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            Thanks bob.

        • March 17, 2014 at 5:04 pm
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          Bob, Ron is in complete denial and you are right to scold him like he is a child. Gee, I wonder how we had 92 straight months of economic growth under Reagan if he was doing all that Keynsian spending and running the country into the ground. The growth happened because of lowering tax rates that created jobs and taxpayers and Tip O’Neil contributed to the small deficits by welching on his control the spending deal he made with Reagan. We could have grown our way out of the deficits and had a balanced budget had the politicians cooled it on the spending. Progressives including Democrats and RINO Republicans always have to outspend revenue. It is in their DNA to do so at the expense of the people.

          • March 18, 2014 at 11:03 am
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            Bob, I would agree that taxes are high and a Progressive Tax rate escalating to absurdly high rates are the worst. The Tax Code is over 2,000 pages long and full of loopholes. How about a low rate for the Middle, Lower Middle Class and a somewhat higher one like 28% for the more successful without the loopholes? That would generate a lot of tax income and yet not be so high that it would stifle investment, creating jobs with employers etc. We do need to have a little more skin in the game than presently because working people cannot continue to support the whole economy. Taxing the rich isn’t working so well for France and several other European countries and it won’t work here either.

          • March 18, 2014 at 12:12 pm
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            Agent,

            You do realize that the current top tax rate (39.6%) is actually lower than the top tax rate (50%) during the first half of President Reagan’s administation when the economy was recovering from the 1970s? It is also the same top tax rate that we had during the economic growth during the 1990s. Then President GW Bush lowered the rates and what happened to the economy in 2007-08? I am sure it was a coincidence, but it happened.

            In addition, “a little more skin in the game” = tax increases for 43% of the counry. And you complain about Democrats/Liberals.

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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            Ron,

            Google Canada’s corporate tax rate.

            You are cherry picking information. If you’re trying to argue higher corporate tax rates help the economy you’re an idiot.

            If you’re not you’re being condescending trying to grab one item in order to dislodge an entire debate. As was said above, taxes are one issue.

            You wonder why people don’t take you seriously? It is a dishonest method of debate.

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:30 pm
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            Ron,

            Also as I said before:

            Top rates are only one part of the puzzle. Reagan’s rate was not 50% the entire tenure. The economy thrived most the second.

            Wonder why?

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:33 pm
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            Bob – I know when I am talking about tax rates, I am talking about individual tax rates, but when you talk about tax rates you talk about corporate tax rates. It’s kind of like talking French to a German, isn’t it? They’re not the same thing or the same debate.

          • March 20, 2014 at 12:03 pm
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            Libby,

            Corporate tax rates and marginal are both part of the same language.

            I bring it into the equation because Canada has middle ground marginal rates, (if you go by effective rather than the percentage rates, they sometimes pay less than here) and their corporate rate is extremely low, it is among the lowest in the world.

            Their debt as a percentage of GDP dropped during the Clinton era time frame. They are about the only country to do this in the G7, in the last 50 years.

            Ours went up.

            Marginal rates are only part of the equation, and Ron is cherry picking information.

          • March 20, 2014 at 12:26 pm
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            Bob,

            you stated, “Their (Canada) debt as a percentage of GDP dropped during the Clinton era time frame. They are about the only country to do this in the G7, in the last 50 years.

            Ours went up.”

            Assuming you really mean debt to GDP and not deficit to GDP, here are the numbers during Clinton’s administration:
            1993 – 64.3%
            1994 – 66.6%
            1995 – 66.2%
            1996 – 66.1%
            1997 – 66.3%
            1998 – 64.7%
            1999 – 62.2%
            2000 – 60.1%

            http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp

            A simple analysis would tell us that it increased a whopping 6.7% during the first 2 years, then leveled off for the next 3 years, then decreased 9.4% in the final 3 years. Leaving us a lower debt to GDP after he left office than before. Please tell us again how ours went up.

          • March 20, 2014 at 2:02 pm
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            Ron,

            Stop trying to catch me in misinformation.

            See the chart:

            http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/canada-deficit/

            The best time frame to describe the debt to GDP going down for Canada is starting the Clinton administration.

            While theirs was going down substantially, starting from the Clinton time frame with lower rates, even through 2003 and later ours went up.

            You do not have all this on the top of your head, you are trying to micro manage my information.

            When I post, I give accurate information which may be off by a few years but the concept is 100% correct.

            Now sciddattle little boy.

          • March 20, 2014 at 2:37 pm
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            Bob,

            Stop spreading misinformation and I will stop pointing it out.

            There you go again. The concept only works if the information is correct. You may think your information is only a little off, but inaccurate is inaccurate.

            Our debt to GDP did not start increasing substantially until 2009. Do you even know how to read a graph?

            Bitter old man!!

          • March 20, 2014 at 4:43 pm
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            Canada’s entire population is comparable to the State of California in size. They do not even spend a fraction of what the US spends in Defense largely in fact because we are essentially their defense. Corporations will continue to pay the corporate tax rates they pay until we stop subsidizing the military as a jobs program whether it be military personnel or defense contracting. Taxing our working population for F-22 and F-35 fighter jets that don’t work along with $45 disposable screwdrivers would be a bit ridiculous. When corporations are sitting on Mt Everest sized piles of cash because they slashed the workforce and newly hired are making less, then they are the ones that have to pay. Don’t like that concept? Then hire people at the sustainable wages they were making and rebuild our infrastructure here at home. This will infuse the economy and we can justifiably lower the corporate tax rate. But we don’t do that because we have a black man in office and we can’t let him succeed, and most CEO’s are sociology/psychology majors that some how acquired an MBA and didn’t work their way up. Back in the day, a CEO started on a production line and worked their way up. Now you can get an MBA right after undergrad with no work experience, then start out in middle management. This is because they earned it in their Fraternity by pulling out the answers to the tests and rewriting copies of papers found in the drawer next to the coke and condoms.

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      • March 17, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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        I meant to say “even with Reagan’s bad spending years” the debt to gdp ratio was still very good from the lower taxes.

        Better than Obama’s for sure, but most importantly, it sharply went down afterward. With Obama it hasn’t.

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          Interesting facts about debt to GDP:
          1982 – 32.2%
          1983 – 36.1%
          1984 – 38.3%
          1985 – 41.2%
          1986 – 45.1%
          1987 – 48.7%
          1988 – 49.8%
          1989 – 51.1%
          1990 – 52.9%
          1991 – 57.6%
          1992 – 62.4%
          1993 – 64.3%
          1994 – 66.6%
          1995 – 66.2%
          1996 – 66.1%
          1997 – 66.3%
          1998 – 64.7%
          1999 – 62.2%
          2000 – 60.1%

          http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp

          Can someone please explain to bob what the phrase “sharply went down afterward” really means. He seems to be confused.

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:25 pm
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            Ron,

            Do you really think I’m that stupid?

            http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1900_2012USp_11s1li011lcn_G0f_US_Federal_Deficit_As_Percent_Of_GDP

            Look at the graph, look at just after Reagan’s tenure, early 90′s, before the 1995 tax increases the deficit as a percentage of GDP went down. Sharp increase (comparatively) during his tenure, starts to dip a little bit at the end, goes up, then sharply dips in the 90′s.

            Ron, don’t insult my intelligence again. I’m way better educated on this than you. I meant deficit to gdp. Annual basis. Debt is only semantics.

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:27 pm
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            Oh by the way Ron:

            ANOTHER SOURCE?

            You said I don’t do that?

            Holy crap Ron. I’m going to stay an animal to you until you:

            A: Stop saying I repeat talking points, admit that I don’t,
            B: Stop saying I don’t source quote.
            C: You admit that I know what I’m talking about.

            You said a lot of shit before. I may swear, but when you insinuate someone NEVER uses facts, you cross lines buddy. So you going to man up? I haven’t forgotten even though it has been months.

            It’s why I call you a brat.

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            Ron:

            1. Yes, you were in a recent post saying Bob.

            2. Yes, you were in a recent post saying Bob.

            You dare me to compare Obama and Ronny? That’s a funny dare.

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesglassman/2012/07/11/the-facts-about-budget-deficits-how-the-presidents-truly-rank/

            Again, you are cherry picking information. Your comparison to the presidents doesn’t compare GDP, it compares the amount of debt in each presidency.

            You will try to argue that Reagan proves that larger spending equals larger GDP. The spending is not what equated to the GDP, or it would have happened wit Obama who’s spending deficits as a percentage of GDP outrank Reagan’s.

            Did you see what I did there? An explanation of why your methodology and charts are wrong. Go figure. You don’t do that.

            You’re looking at graphs and not checking your data, because you have this preconceived notion that Obama is the same as Reagan.

            If he is the same, why is his economy worse? I will ask this until the cows come home. You won’t win until you have a full picture. Not like it’s about winning as it is.

            I will always overpass you, because I see big picture. And you see, it took me ONE LINK and then explaining the methodology to kick your ass into next week on all points that you made with about 4. You need to learn what data is important, kid.

          • March 20, 2014 at 12:58 pm
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            Bob,

            You seem to off your game. I would argue that you are also cherry picking information.

            The link shows government spending, not debt. Spending trended up during President Reagan’s term and has been trending down during President Obama’s. I believe he campaigned to lower spending and balance the budget. Neither occurred, regardless of why.

            Your chart shows the deficit to GDP ratio decreasing over the past 3+ years. In addition, most of the increase in the deficit to GDP occurred prior to President Obama taking office.

            It must really burn you that I am using your own data to support my position to defeat you.

            I never said that President Reagan and President Obama are the same. My argument has been that he is not that much different than previous presidents and we have not experienced much different results. Taxes are not through the roof, spending is not balloning out of control and the deficits have been decreasing. I would like to see more emphasis on reducing the debt through more spending cuts, but it takes time to reverse the debt that was built up before he took office.

            I will give a couple reason why I believe President Obama has not had the same level of recovery as President Reagan.
            1. Technology has made our labor force the most efficient and productive in history. Why would a company hire when they can produce more with the same amount of labor.
            2. The easy and low expense of manufacturing overseas including tax write offs for expenses related to off-shoring work. Also see NAFTA.
            3. Increased cost of empoyer-provided health insurancve further disincentivizes hiring and encourages morer investment in technology.
            4. More pressure put on CEOs to maximize profits to inflate stock prices with increased availability of information.

          • March 20, 2014 at 2:12 pm
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            Ron,

            I argued your point?

            No. I didn’t. You cannot compare how much deficits increased without comparing GDP. I’m sorry Ron, you can’t.

            Can I compare FDR’s annual deficit to Obama’s then, and use the percentage increase to state how bad our debt to GDP ratio is and whether we are spending outside of our ability to pay?

            No. Obama’s spending as a percentage of GDP is exactly relative to our ability to afford it.

            Your methodology compared debt, it did not compare it to gdp. It is the wrong methodology. I then went on to say that however, the spending is not what caused the GDP to grow with Reagan. If it did, it would do the same for Obama.

            1. This would not explain a sudden change in jobs. It would explain a gradual shift. So it cannot be the case as to why we still are not at our normal numbers at around 2007. Technology is allowing nothing new in comparison to that year.

            2. So then, we should lower our corporate tax rates? There are no write offs for having revenues over seas, unless you consider not being taxed until it gets back here or is claimed as revenue a write off, and then accepting another country’s tax rate in the mean time. At which point: Our rates are too high, and it has nothing to do with tax evasion and over seas revenues. So then, Clinton and Obama’s refusal to lower the corporate tax rate would be a big reason we aren’t seeing a recovery, and the tax holiday that Romney had supported and republicans in 2010 was a good idea? Go figure, the republicans you say never have good ideas eh? In this scenario that means democrats and Obama are slowing the economy.
            3. That would only decrease hiring if the employer was required to provide insurance. So are you admitting the ACA has dramatically affected the ability to hire? That would surprise me if so and I would give you points for it, but then you would have to blame Obama for this slow recovery, and democrats.
            4. Just blatantly a lie. There is no more pressure now than in the past.

            So 2 of your numbers are absurd, and 2 can be directly linked to democrat and Obama actions.

            Very nice! Then VOTE as per to fix the problem, and stop lambasting republicans for trying to lower the corporate tax rate or focus on “taxes” as you tend to do.

            Game, check, and mate.

          • March 20, 2014 at 2:14 pm
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            And when I say normal numbers from 2007:

            Total percentage of people working. Whichever number you want to use, labor participation or otherwise.

            This number dropped with Reagan and went back up.
            It dropped with Obama and still hasn’t come back up.

          • March 20, 2014 at 2:18 pm
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            Also ron:

            Cherry picking information that removes numbers from an equation is inherently different than cherry picking a piece of information that includes more numbers.

            My “cherry picked” information includes growth, spending, and deficits on an annual basis.

            Because interest rates vary, and so does growth, could you see how including just the debt wouldn’t reflect presidential decisions?

            Reagan wouldn’t make a high interest rate on debt.

            Comparing more info is better than comparing less. But even then, you have to decide which factors are important and affect the others, in an isolated way. So you compare the deficit, then the debt, and see the differences. Was the interest rate on debt different? Yes. Obama’s interest rates were way lower, and are expected to go up in projections incoming. That’s only one example.

            You are stuck on a destructive mind set. It’s annoying.

          • March 20, 2014 at 2:20 pm
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            Bah, that should read “you cannot argue how much DEBT increased” without comparing GDP growth relative to debt.

            Even a population boom could affect both numbers.

            You have more people to pay for, more people in the economy making GDP, but then work out to a lower actual deficit as a percentage of GDP. It doesn’t mean you increased spending. Like for example: Medicare going crazy or Social security from the baby boom.

            You aren’t seeing big picture at all.

          • March 20, 2014 at 3:08 pm
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            Bob,

            It is either game, set, match; or check mate. You can’t even get that right.

            1. It has been a gradual reduction for that reason alone. The problem is with getting people re-hired who lost their jobs during the recession. Companies discovered that they can make record profits without re-hiring those people, why would they?

            2. I am all for lowering the corporate tax rate, but only if there are conditions such as increasing employees, investment within the US, and bringing back jobs. If you are not growing and hiring, you get no tax breaks. How does that sound?

            I said nothing about revenue from overseas operations. I was speaking of the incentive where corporations could write off the expense of setting up facilities overseas as a business expense, not a direct write off to move. The tax code did not forbid expenses to move as a business expense. That should ave been written in the tax code.

            3. Employer-provided health care has been a market-driven requirement to attract the best empolyees or due to collective bargaining. This has been the case way before the PPACA.

            4. There is more pressure because more people are investing and have easier access to information due to the Internet. Just ask the CEOs of publicly traded companies. I know a few and they have mentioned this change in culture.

            Winning!!

          • March 20, 2014 at 7:20 pm
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            Talking points? That’s all your party has Ron is talking points. The arguments of the left are devoid of facts and depend solely emotion and stupidity as practiced so well by your side of the fence. If you pointing to the right as overusing talking points is not the perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black, I don’t know what is. Thanks for the laugh. Needed it.

      • March 17, 2014 at 3:14 pm
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        I should even revise that further, since it wasn’t Reagan’s plan to increase spending.

        I should say the spending that happened during Reagan’s years.

        There we go.

  • March 14, 2014 at 3:01 pm
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    Ron said- “Did you even read my question? Neither of these inceidents affected any election.

    Ron, are you saying that just because these people (documented sources!) got caught that it had no out come on the election? How do you know? How do you now that in at least the precincts they were in that voter fraud was not widespread?

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    • March 17, 2014 at 4:13 pm
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      Hey Sargeant, in getting back to the Healthcare debacle, in today’s Townhall.com, Katie Pavlich reports that Republicans, who have tried repeal 50+ times are now going to introduce an Official Alternative to Obamacare. Following is a summary that has been around for a while since they were told to get in the back of the bus, but it is now gaining more traction.

      The plan includes and expansion of high risk Insurance Pools, promotion of Health Savings Accounts and inducements for small busineses to purchase coverage together. The tenets of the plan – which could expand to include the ability to buy insurance across state lines, guaranteed renewability of policies and changes to medical malpractice regulations – are ideas that various Conservatives have for a long time backed as part of broader bills. This plan makes a whole lot more sense than a government mandating a one size fits all failure that is insuring fewer people than before at outrageous rates, deductibles, out of pocket expenses. Good luck getting this through Harry Reid and Obama would certainly veto it, but it is time to get off this train wreck and move to something better.

  • March 14, 2014 at 3:08 pm
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    Ron Said- “Do you honestly believe that there is no voter fraud for Republican candidates?”

    No Ron I do not believe that there has never been voter fraud on the Republican side. The difference is that with republicans it is an exception but with the Democrats it is an art!

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      • March 14, 2014 at 4:39 pm
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        Yes, quite the art. Having the Black Panthers outside of polling facilities – that was certainty artfully done. If those guys don’t intimidate you nothing will. Talk about voter suppression and obstruction. I’m not sure if I would have voted that day with their bubbling personalities standing outside guarding the place. No party is completely honest but you guys seem to take it to a new level. If you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan and the 1,000s of other lies we’ve been told or not told by your party pleading the 5th. I hope the Republicans never back down and get to the bottom of the IRS illegally harassing conservative businesses. Someone is going to go down – but Lerner isn’t talking now is she? Gee, I wonder why?

        • March 14, 2014 at 5:09 pm
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          Hey Always. Didn’t you know there is not a “smidgeon” of corruption with the IRS? Lois Lerner – I respectfully refuse to testify on the advice of my counsel and invoke my 5th Amendment Right against self incrimination. In other words, I will not give names of my bosses who started this and gave me my marching orders to target Conservatives.

        • March 14, 2014 at 5:32 pm
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          Not Fraud, but intimidation. Probably directed by Jesse SR the most prejudice man on the planet.
          Meanwhile, the little old ladies that man our voting stations can barely spell their names, much less someone else.
          Would be way to easy for me to cast votes without even being asked to see an ID.

          What is the harm in asking for a picture ID before you vote?

          • March 17, 2014 at 1:53 pm
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            Hi Agent,

            Yes, I did see Bill O’Riley interviewing Obama a few Sunday’s ago. What a joke. This from an old IL politician saying the IRS has not one smidgeon of corruptions and that all the phony scandals that are out there are the blame of Fox news. This interview should have been aired the comedy channel.

          • March 17, 2014 at 2:25 pm
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            FFA, how does Jessie Jr. like his accomodations now or have they let him out already for good behavior?

          • March 18, 2014 at 10:05 am
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            Actually FFA, there is no harm at all in asking for a photo ID when a citizen goes to vote. We have had that in place for a number of years in Texas. In our current election cycle, if you don’t have your registration card, you can show your photo ID and they will let you vote. If you don’t have your photo ID, you don’t get to vote. It works well and voters here do not mind showing it to vote.

        • March 20, 2014 at 3:23 pm
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          So you must have seen that one picture Hannity keeps showing of the two (THATS 2) guys standing on the steps of, so he says, a polling place. OOOHhh that’s so SCARY. Try a guy sitting on top of a pick-up with a five foot confederate flag in the back window while holding a shotgun.
          Sure makes me comfortable.

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  • March 14, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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    Ron said- “I blame her, President Obama and the entire administration for their poor reponse and dishonesty after the terrorist attack.”

    We have something that we agree on. Thumbs up on your post!

    • March 17, 2014 at 12:56 pm
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      Sargeant, Ron would not believe anything a Conservative says no matter what the proof was. How does he think Al Franken won the Senate in Minnesota? A mysterious car shows up with a trunk full of “ballots” and they mysteriously were overwhelming to Franken getting him over the top. How does Harry Reid get re-elected in Nevada with a 42% approval rating? Easy, the SEIU was in charge of the voting machines in that state.

      • March 17, 2014 at 1:45 pm
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        • March 17, 2014 at 2:29 pm
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          Ron, you deliberately refuse any evidence any Conservative posts whether is is Sargeant, Always, Perplexed, Sarah, FFA. I don’t know why they bother. The latest attempt was three different evidences by Always and it sailed right over your liberal mind. I don’t bother because I know it doesn’t do any good with a committed liberal like you are.

          • March 17, 2014 at 2:54 pm
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            No. This is legitimate Celcita, and I would appreciate you not saying bigoted comments on this page. Just because you are liberal doesn’t make it ok to infer that republican never are researched.

            I have put up posts, as above, showing Reagans attempts of cut spending.

            Agent makes a very valid point. Can you list any concepts/articles Ron that have been posted that you agreed with? Because I can’t. And it’s a darn good point.

            You come in here crying moderate, and I’ve never seen you defend a republican candidate like you do Obama. Whenever you do (Reagan) you insult them at the same time.

          • March 18, 2014 at 12:49 pm
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            Hey, bob, did you read the voter fraud articles? You haven’t commented on the articles and I was just wondering why.

            Do you think they prove that fraud can be stopped by ID laws?

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:33 pm
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            JW:

            I actually don’t have much of an opinion on it. I just don’t like it when Celtic implies that republicans are always tin foil hat people.

            If voter fraud is an issue, I have confidence that even a democrat wouldn’t completely ruin the country. The would just piss me off. I also think if we had a close enough vote for voter fraud to win the election, it isn’t a big deal, and there is no way it could start to become a millions and millions of votes scenario.

            I don’t think America is doomed like some conservatives do.

            So I guess, even though that wasn’t originally my intention to give an opinion, I don’t consider it to be a problem.

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:34 pm
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            *they* would just piss me off.

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:35 pm
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            And I should say “even a new age democrat who shouldn’t have won” wouldn’t ruin the nation.

            I don’t like current ones. I liked Kennedy.

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm
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            Bob – you and Ron actually agree on something!

          • March 20, 2014 at 12:18 pm
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            Libby,

            I will never agree with Ron on any issue. He is the worst of anyone here.

            You are passionate.
            He is basically destructive to all politics, and believes the worst of all parties.

            It is not good to hate all equally.

            We just happen to believe similar things on this issue, I don’t agree with him and how he comes to his conclusions on anything, and never will.

          • March 20, 2014 at 2:02 pm
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            Bob,

            You only ythink I am the worst because I am the only one who consistently proves you wrong with data and facts and you can’t handle being challenged.

            I do not hate anybody. I even like you.

            However, I do believe both parties are self serving and do not care to do what is right for the country and its citizens. To think either party is 100% right or 100% left is naive and short-sighted.

          • March 20, 2014 at 2:22 pm
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            Ron,

            DO NOT and let me repeat that DO NOT

            Talk that way to me. You are free to say you rub me the wrong way.

            You are NOT free to say I hate you because you’re more right than me.

            You don’t disprove me, name one time. I’m using a you tactic here, name what I have said that you proved wrong.

            It is not ok to go around saying that no one likes to debate you because you’re always right and use numbers.

            Get that through your head. It’s worse than throwing swear words. I don’t get how you don’t see that.

            You are entitled to say that you give info that is competitive to mine. You are not ok to say that it’s superior.

            I hate you, because you debate like you just did there.

            You either cool it, or get my foot up your ass.

          • March 20, 2014 at 2:52 pm
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            Bob,

            You have given me permission to speak to you in any fashion I choose based how you speak to me. It goes both ways.

            You said, “You don’t disprove me, name one time. I’m using a you tactic here, name what I have said that you proved wrong.” How about two just today?

            Really??

            Remember when you said, “I meant to say ‘even with Reagan’s bad spending years’ the debt to gdp ratio was still very good from the lower taxes.

            Better than Obama’s for sure, but most importantly, it sharply went down afterward. With Obama it hasn’t.”

            Then I showed that the debt to GDP ratio increased each year Reagan was in office and continued to increase untle President Clinton’s 3rd year when it leveled of then started to decrease until 2001.

            Do not forget, “Their (Canada) debt as a percentage of GDP dropped during the Clinton era time frame. They are about the only country to do this in the G7, in the last 50 years.
            Ours went up.”

            Then I proved that our debt to GDP actually went down during the last 3 years of President Cinton’s term.

            That was easy.

            So, it is OK for you to use numbers to try to prove your are right, but not me? Hypocrite!!

            I never said I or my information is superior. I only ask that anecdotal evidence does not work for me. I need numbers.

            Now bring on the boot you cranky old blowhard.

      • March 19, 2014 at 10:40 am
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        Maybe Nevada and Minnesota used hanging chads like they did in Florida Rico in 2000.

        • March 20, 2014 at 4:34 pm
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          Bob, I really enjoy seeing you hand Ron his head when he keeps blowing smoke. He loses every time and he just can’t stand it. He just loves to post his dishonest websites that posts old info, innacurate data. He did one with me that used numbers that were 3 or 4 years old and had no relevance to what is going on in the country today. He expects people to believe his data and accept that it is right. What a dork!

          • March 20, 2014 at 4:53 pm
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            A dork? Really, Agent? That’s the best you can do?

          • March 20, 2014 at 6:53 pm
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            Agent,

            Just because you say something does not make it true. Not only did I prove Bob wrong a couple of times, I even pointed it out in detail.

            You just say that he hands me my head because you want so bad for him to like you. What’s it like to be someone else’s sidekick/little buddy?

          • March 20, 2014 at 6:55 pm
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            Agent,

            Normal people don’t call incompetent people names and use profanity, they just ignore them. Bob speaks to me the way he does because he can’t stand the fact that I have proven him wrong on multiple occasions.

            I just enjoy poking the bear.

  • March 17, 2014 at 2:04 pm
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      So when somebody posts a positive experience with the ACA, you guys thumb him down??? Why wouldn’t you be happy that at least the law is workding for some people. Or does that not agree with your agenda? Even FFA is getting a better deal and he still bitches about it. I can’t figure you guys out.

    • March 20, 2014 at 6:06 pm
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      Libby, I was letting Ron off easy with that term. I could do worse, but that is not appropriate on this blog. Bob tends to get more graphic than I do when he gets mad at the incompetence of Ron.

    • March 21, 2014 at 12:42 pm
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      Hey Ron, On every Obamacare post or when you have gotten into it with Bob on the economy, he consistently wears you down and then you refuse to debate him when he calls you a child and to grow up. Libby can’t stay up with him either so she screams at him and sulks.

      How does it feel to be so consistently unpopular on IJ? What does that say about your belief system in the business world? You called yourself a two faced Independent and you prove it with every comment.

      • March 21, 2014 at 1:10 pm
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        Agent – why don’t you just shut the hell up? Ron is neither incompetent nor unpopular. And yes, Bob can wear a person down. Not because he swears and name-calls but because he sometimes reacts with emotion rather than reading what you say on face value.

        In any event, these are not your battles or debates, so just butt out and mind your own business, as you so often say to me.

        • March 24, 2014 at 12:53 pm
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          Libby, don’t even try to tell me to butt out. You lead the league in butting into every issue on the IJ. You butted into my conversation with FFA on business and proceeded to tell us we didn’t know the difference in premium and commission and ranted on and on. Keep your nose out of agency owners business employee. If we need your help, we will ask for it. Yes, there is a reason why you and Ron are the most unpopular bloggers on this forum

  • March 18, 2014 at 12:24 pm
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    • March 18, 2014 at 2:56 pm
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      Ron, can you really be that stupid? We, in Texas don’t have a bigger government because we passed voter ID laws. It has been in place for many years. All we have are liberal trolls like you trying to say our voter ID laws should be thrown out and let anyone that shows up vote, legal or not, have nothing in place to check to see if the voter has registered etc. By the way, I know you want half the country to not pay any taxes at all under any scenario. Is that because you are part of that half along with boogereater? There has to be a better tax code available than the Progressive scheme that only taxes the entrepreneurs and job creators of our society. If not a flat tax, how about a consumption tax? I am tired of supporting all the entitlement crowd out there including you.

      • March 18, 2014 at 3:18 pm
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        Hey Agent, thanks for including me in the conversation. Your blow up doll will be delivered by Friday. I tried to overnight it, but they do not ship international orders from the US to Texico over night. They also threw in a few extra valve stems in case you are too hard on Raggity Ronnie. Flat taxes don’t work, Texico needs to pay their own tax so US federal dollars do not have to subsidize Texican tax. IE Oil, Military/Defense contracting. The Texican government pays for their things by exporting to the US on our tax dollars. Eliminate those jobs and all you have left are trades like Rock Eating and filming high school football game. PS the North get’s their gas from the North

      • March 18, 2014 at 3:37 pm
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        • March 18, 2014 at 4:38 pm
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          Ron, have you made an appointment yet to see a good Neurosurgeon so they can remove the growth behind your eyes or treat your rabid Progressive disease? You do know that it is a disease, don’t you? Did you realize that Texas has a huge problem with people swimming the Rio Grande coming in here illegally? Are you advocating giving them the right to vote if they are here illegally? Why do you think Texas has voter ID laws? We need them to protect ourselves against voter fraud, idiot. I could care less what you Blue States do. So you don’t have a problem paying more taxes to the government? With all the corruption and waste inherent in the government, why aren’t you outraged that they waste your tax dollars? Do you think all the taxes built into Obamacare are “fair”? Ron, I am sorry to tell you, but we are being taxed to death already and it is a great deterrent to economic growth in this country. I am sure I haven’t made a dent in your 50IQ brain.

          • March 18, 2014 at 5:59 pm
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          • March 20, 2014 at 3:28 pm
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            Ron, have you made your appointment yet to at least see a Psychiatrist? Who is talking about citizenship? We are talking about voter ID and whether people who are illegal should be able to vote. Get legal, get registered and you can vote. Illegal, sorry you can’t vote. Is that clear enough for your miniscule brain.

            Regarding taxes, I am talking about the Federal Government, not the State of Texas. I pay more in my quarterlies than you and Libby & Booger combined. Yes, I am taxed too much by the Federal Government because their appetite for spending goes unabated and they waste much of my tax dollars supporting fools like you.

          • March 20, 2014 at 3:35 pm
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            Agent,

            You make an appointment with your proctologist yet? I think you have your head up your ass again. Either that or another gerbil.

          • March 20, 2014 at 3:42 pm
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            “I pay more in my quarterlies than you and Libby & Booger combined.”

            In that case, you are making way too much money and your tax bracket needs to be raised.

        • March 18, 2014 at 4:42 pm
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          I have recently been entertained by the idea of a completely voluntary tax. You can pay as much as you want and direct it to a specific public sector or program. I like it because it takes the coercion out of taxes. Now taxes are just a synonym for theft. I would be interested in any thoughts you all might have about that?

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            LiveFree, why don’t you move to Fiji or Samoa. What an idea making taxes voluntary! How many people would voluntarily pay taxes if it were voluntary? I am sure the Democrats would love that idea since they do everything in their power to avoid paying them. Our wonderful Secretary of State – Lurch Kerry couldn’t even bring himself to pay his yacht tax and moved his yacht to Rhode Island to avoid paying Massachusetts tax on it. He happens to be worth several hundred million with his wife, the pickle queen.

          • March 18, 2014 at 6:27 pm
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            Libby, I guess you haven’t followed the United Way and how they handle their money. They have huge overhead and executives drain the coffers and only a smaller percent goes for the charity.

          • March 19, 2014 at 10:24 am
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            So Agent instead you rather have money stolen by the government through force? I thought you want to limit spending and cut taxes? Well of course I forgot you still have to spend on the big military and big border control you so desperately want. So this is your own special brand of tyranny you’d like to force on all of us through your compulsory taxation?

            Let me guess taxes are for necessary social services, or are just our dues for society’s benefit? Taxation for social services hints at an equitable trade. It suggests a quid pro quo, a relationship of justice. But, the essential condition of trade, that it be carried on willingly, is absent from taxation; its very use of compulsion removes taxation from the field of commerce and puts it squarely into the field of politics. Taxes cannot be compared to dues paid to a voluntary organization for such services as one expects from membership, because the choice of withdrawal does not exist.

            If you are such an advocate of the free market why can’t government services function like one? Where the consumer (citizens) vote voluntarily with their dollars which programs and functionalities of government are important to them? You ask “How many people would voluntarily pay taxes if it were voluntary?” and I would answer as many that thought government service was worth spending money on. Which is how it should be.

            Also thanks for the moving suggestions, and since you apparently are a big government statist may I suggest you move to North Korea? I believe they love to use force on citizens there.

          • March 19, 2014 at 11:09 am
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            Booyah, LiveFree! But way over Agent’s head…

          • March 19, 2014 at 11:47 am
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            Ron, if you were a student of the history of Texas which you aren’t, you might have read something about how LBJ first got elected to Congress. In his first campaign, his supporters had a whole bunch of dead people that mysteriously voted for him and even at that, he barely won. Of course he was a Democrat and that is what Democrats do as we have also seen in recent elections. Once in power, he was good to go and went on to the Senate where he ruled with an iron hand until Kennedy picked him as his VP running mate so they would do better in the South. He was like a fish out of water as VP since they wouldn’t let him do anything except go to funerals and manage NASA and he managed to get it located in Houston.

          • March 19, 2014 at 12:12 pm
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            Why would Ron be a student of Texas history? He lives in NY.

          • March 19, 2014 at 2:55 pm
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            Free, I am sure you would be glad to part with your $100 voluntary taxes each year. You should be in charge so you can rule with a phone and pen like your current President is attempting to do. Of course, he has a different idea on taxes and spending as you know. Soak the rich and give it to the poor in entitlements so that wealth can be redistributed. To hell with the business world. Who needs jobs anyway? That will only keep the population from doing their artistic endeavors.

          • March 19, 2014 at 3:04 pm
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            Agent,

            I thought you were a Bible Thumper. The whole premise of the Bible is about how you treat the poor. Wait, you’re an evangelical right? So it’s do as I say and not as I do and show me the money. Can I get an AMEN??!! Ronnie Reagan died on the cross for your greed!!

          • March 20, 2014 at 8:30 am
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            Agent,

            You said, “LBJ first got elected to Congress. In his first campaign, his supporters had a whole bunch of dead people that mysteriously voted for him and even at that, he barely won.”

            Please cite your source. Or is this based solely on your memories?

          • March 20, 2014 at 10:54 am
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            Agent your response in no way coincided with my post and didn’t address any points I made in typically Agent fashion. You couldn’t beat me so you deflected and went off on a completely unrelated tangent.

            Let me recap with a play by play in the spirit of March Madness (emphasis on madness in your case):
            First you make some odd estimate in how much I would voluntary pay in taxes. Then say I would lead this country like Obama with a phone and pen…(how you arrived at that from opinion on voluntary taxes is beyond me). And then proceeded to tell me how Obama is anti-business and jobs….

            You are like a 16 seed going against a 1 seed right now and you are getting embarrassed.

          • March 20, 2014 at 7:28 pm
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            Rather than a voluntary tax I’d like to see taxes paid be proportionate to voting power. The more taxes you pay, the more you contribute to the government’s ability to spend, the the more vote you get. Seems to make sense. The “poor” would be happy with it as they always claim that the “rich” never pays their “fair share”. Well if the “rich” are not paying their “fair share” or paying nothing as imbecile Harry Reid accused Mitt Romney on the scared ground of the Senate floor, then poor ole Mitt would get no vote. Gives people an incentive to pay their “fair share” and then have a greater voice in how it’s spent. How about that?

          • March 21, 2014 at 8:44 am
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            Dave,

            That would be OK if our vote meant anything. Unfortunately, it doesn’t. You vote someone in on a particular platform and there’s nothing you can do when they veer off in a totally different direction. They all have their own agendas and pander to us for our vote. Then they get into office and do whatever the hell they want to and we keep re-electing them! No wonder they think we are all stupid boobs.

            Vote “No” to all incumbents! We need to send a message!

          • March 21, 2014 at 9:12 am
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            Dave- that is an interesting idea. I wonder would the taxes be also proportional to their income? Because otherwise it would basically be just how it is now in that rich lobbyist buy votes.

            Libby- that is why I don’t vote. I refuse to be pawn in the system and I believe the only option we have as a society to change voting is to refuse it on principal and not vote. Voting just confirms their process. It’s always interesting during election time when I campaign to my friends that I rather die than vote (playing off the popular “Vote or Die”. It’s a tough sell to say the least haha.

        • March 19, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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          So Ron, you think Texas has wasted their money having voter ID laws. Wow, what a statement. You may just prefer that we let all non citizens, inmates, illegals vote on any election at any time. We happen to believe that legal citizens of the USA should be the ones to vote in elections. I don’t have a problem with naturalized citizens, but they do have to go jump through the hoops to get that right to vote.

          • March 20, 2014 at 8:24 am
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            Agent,

            You are totally missing my point. Shocking.

            WEhere have I advocated for anyone but legal citizens voting? I just do not think it is worth the millions spent passing voter ID laws when there is zero evidence that there is any in-person voter fraud that is impacting elections.

            If there is no evidence of in-person voter fraud that has been stopped due to voter ID laws in Texas, then yes, you wasted and continue to waste money on voter ID laws.

            I agree that only legal citizens should be voting. However, do you have any actual proof that non citizens, inmates, illegals are voting?

          • March 20, 2014 at 10:14 am
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            You want a source for LBJ’s chicanery Ron? Try the book – A Texas looks at Lyndon by author J. Evetts Haley published in 1964. It is a scathing indictment of LBJ and how he operated in his rise to power and it is factual.

          • March 20, 2014 at 10:29 am
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            Ah good ole’ James. Tried to make his coloring books look like they were written by an intellectual author and went by J. Haley Evetts. He was one of the greatest segregationist of his time wasn’t he Agent? He wouldn’t have had a gripe against someone that fought for Civil Rights now would he Agent?

          • March 20, 2014 at 11:10 am
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            Zero evidence Ron? Shocking! You have been furnished several evidences of voter fraud, yet you insist there is 0 evidence of voter fraud. I am not surprised that you continue to deny reality since you cannot absorb anything. Your namesake had a famous saying that is just as true with this issue as it was with the Soviet Union.

            TRUST BUT VERIFY! We may expect that people are legitimate voters, but we verify their status before they can vote.

          • March 20, 2014 at 11:24 am
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            Agent,

            Are you really that dense? Do you not recall where I stated, “I will admit that there has been voter fraud and that Democrats are more guilty than Republicans. However, you have yet to prove that in-person voter fraud has affected any election to the point where the winner should have lost.” in a previous post?

            Question, assuming LBJ did stuff the ballot boxes, would voter ID laws have prevented that since it was not people showing up to vote in the name of the dead people?

            You chastize me for using old data. An election over 50 years ago without any documented proof. All you have is someone who wrote and self-published a book, a Democrat no less, that has been rebuked by Republicans and every other political history expert. Good job.

          • March 20, 2014 at 11:44 am
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            Agent,

            Does it really take Texas 50 years to address a concern? Talk about slow. Will it also take 50 years to pass a law/regulation to prevent another isolated incident that occurred in West, TX?

          • March 20, 2014 at 12:57 pm
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            Hey Free, if you really want to see embarrassed, read your fellow blogger boogereater’s comments. He is embarrassment personified. Who would have given this guy a job in the insurance industry? He should be given a box and sent packing long before now.

          • March 20, 2014 at 1:10 pm
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            txmouthbreatherboogereatertx has rapier-sharp wit that goes way above your ability to comprehend, Agent. So does Captain. In plain English – you just don’t get it. So quit pretending that you do.

          • March 20, 2014 at 2:46 pm
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            Thank you Libby for the kind remarks. I guess if he doesn’t like my posts, then I should take a page from his book. Copy and paste paragraphs from Wikipedia and other articles, then add a personal spin to it so it appears that they are my thoughts. I guess if I don’t belong in the industry, then I really don’t know what he’s doing in it. This must be why there is a huge push to infuse new blood in the industry and not just because of retiring baby boomers. It must have stunk being the only high school male in Texico that was on the Spirit Squad for their football team, but I guess that is how you can acquire a RAH RAH attitude. GOOOOO TEXICO!!!!!!!!

          • March 20, 2014 at 2:53 pm
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            Agent thinks he’s the be all and end all of insurance agents, but he’s just a small-town shmoe that owns a local agency of personal lines and small commercial business. He knows it, so he tries to build himself up by tearing others down. It’s a little pathetic and a lot more sad.

      • March 18, 2014 at 4:24 pm
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        • March 20, 2014 at 10:17 am
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          Oops! Before I had my coffee, I typed in – A Texas looks at Lyndon. It is really – A Texan looks at Lyndon.

        • March 20, 2014 at 4:21 pm
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          So Ron, why didn’t you jump on Libby for saying a two week old article on IJ was “ancient history” when comments were still being made on it?

          • March 20, 2014 at 4:31 pm
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            What? What does that have to do with Ron’s point? You really are going senile, Agent.

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        You should go see him Libby. He has had about every female in the world he has made contact with. I understand he has offices in Harlem.

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