Millions of Americans Remain Uninsured Despite Big Health Care Push

By Connie Cass | March 24, 2014
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  • March 24, 2014 at 1:14 pm
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    • March 25, 2014 at 7:47 am
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      Sadly, I’m not surprised no one (other than Ron & I) got your point.

  • March 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm
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    Actually fewer people are insured than before the UCA (Unaffordable Care Act) and everyone else pays much more for health insurance and everything else. 7 million policies canceleed and only 6 million signed up. Net loss rather than a net gain.

    This was just a income transfer, tax increase and takeover of the 1/7th of the economy.

  • March 24, 2014 at 1:52 pm
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    There a liberals, conservatives and factuals. This appears to lean to the factual side. Hip, hip, horrah (ouch, I think I broke a hip, I have to check my healthcare?????)

    • March 24, 2014 at 2:01 pm
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      • March 24, 2014 at 2:10 pm
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        There have been other articles touting the success in the IJ too. You dont remember them because they are few and far between.

        Numbers dont lie unless your doing oBama Math. Most people still do old school math like we were taught in grade school.

        • March 24, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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          • March 24, 2014 at 5:12 pm
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            I have only heard horror stories – and dont forget, I think I am the only one that charged hard on trying to enroll people in this mess.

            If you have any success story – please share… Any one at all.

          • March 26, 2014 at 8:52 am
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            But FFA, my senior citizen parents can now have that mandated maternity/newborn coverage!

        • March 24, 2014 at 2:24 pm
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          FFA, from reading the article, I knew Libby would be the first to criticize it. Harry Reid said all the horror stories were a bunch of lies. Obama says Healthcare.gov is working great now. Who is telling the lies here? We knew this was one big tragedy long before this and the deniers keep trying to sell the merits of the law. They just can’t believe it isn’t the best thing since sliced bread and everyone should just jump on the bandwagon like lemmings.

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          • March 24, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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            Libby says: A party where certainty and partisan inflexibility.

            You just described every politician from my local city hall right into DC. They can all be classified by your own words – both sides. My Words -A bunch of do nothing for common people jack asses. Care about no one but themselves. Been that way for way too long. Its time to meet in Boston and have another Tea Party.

          • March 25, 2014 at 7:52 am
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            Agent & FFA – Libby’s comment was not about the ACA. She was only referring to the reaction of people posting.

            The point is, the IJ is publishing an article that is not saying the ACA is the panacea the administration makes it out to be. Therefore, the IJ shouldn’t be labeled a strictly left wing media outlet.

      • March 24, 2014 at 2:47 pm
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        The media and the left has so far skewed “factuals” that when a story such as this doesn’t lean far enough to the left, that you and your ilk believe it is skewed right. Remember your Senate leader Harry Reid on the floor of the Senate describing all the bad stories published as ALL lies. He is representative of how skewed your and your ilk’s view of the world is. Libby, this was a fair representation. If not, feel expalin another reason as to why so many are avoiding this like the plague.

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  • March 24, 2014 at 1:54 pm
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    One of the Sunday Am shows stated the enrollment is only 5 Mill. two Mil short. Guy bringing in $250000 says it all.

    Its only gonna get worse being 2mil short. They also raised concerns of how oBama can let premiums slide for 90 days. If they dont have it when they enroll, what makes him think they will have 3 months worth in 90 days?
    OBama needs to pull his 1%er head out of his 1%er butt. Seems he has lost touch with us common folk.

    • March 24, 2014 at 3:21 pm
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      FFA, if 4-5 million have signed up for Obamacare and Medicaid and 6.5 million have lost the coverage they liked, is that not a net loss of coverage in America? Most of the sign ups have been people that were forced off their coverage or the PreX people that were in Pools that signed up. A very low percentage were the truly uninsured. Did you see the story of the guy that signed up back in November, paid a premium, then had a big surgery in January and they couldn’t find him in the system between two carriers? He owes $407,000 to the providers. Someone owes since he paid for coverage. He should have received a card, but had the surgery thinking he had coverage. I wonder when they will figure it out.

      • March 24, 2014 at 3:28 pm
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        Funny Agent, only 1 out of 3 voters say their health coverage has been affected negatively by the ACA.

        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

        You and Henny Penny need to chill.

        • March 26, 2014 at 8:59 am
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          Ok, so are you saying that roughly 100,000,000 people have ben negatively affected? Well thank god those 4-5 million have marginally improved plans….

          • March 26, 2014 at 9:05 am
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            Did you read the link or just jump on the keyboard, Destro?

          • March 26, 2014 at 9:06 am
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            And, if you can’t read I’ll spell it out for you.

            1 in 3 negative effect.

            2 in 3 no negative effect.

            That means 2/3 of all voters have not been negatively affected by the ACA. Last I checked, 2/3 was alot more than 1/3.

          • March 26, 2014 at 10:08 am
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            Destro, do the 4 million really have marginally improved plans. A lot of them went to Medicaid. Is that better? Many took the bare bones Bronze plans. Many have higher deductibles, more out of pocket expense and may have lost the doctor or hospital they preferred. How is this law benefitting from the prior plans offered? They may have been better off in a Pool than this joke.

          • March 26, 2014 at 10:20 am
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            Is Medicaid better than having no insurance? Are you kidding?

  • March 24, 2014 at 1:56 pm
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    Libby, not even a liberal publication can make this law look good.
    You cannot legislate responsibility. We all know that the number of
    people that have “signed up” have not paid a premium and in a few months from now those numbers will even be less. There is nothing “affordable” about this law no matter how you slice it.

  • March 24, 2014 at 2:52 pm
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    I guess Obama, Pelosi and Reid are all dumber than Ford when they came out with the Edsel. Face it, much like the Edsel America does not want this. Even the ones who need it most. Ford learned and dumped the Edsel. The above and liberals in general are too dumb to learn from their mistake. Where is democracy? Most of America as shown by ALL polls do not want this abomination. Why are we forced to accept it. I guess we’ll see this November. Even Democrats are runiung away from this.

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      • March 24, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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        Libby, I posted the Republican Plan in the last article which will be introduced soon. Quit saying the Republican’s don’t have a better plan. This sailed right over yours and Ron’s head as usual. I am not going to repeat the plan over and over because your liberal minds won’t accept anything over your beloved Obamacare which is the nation’s worst nightmare.

        • March 24, 2014 at 3:32 pm
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          • March 25, 2014 at 11:54 am
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            http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/01/27/267220145/key-senate-republicans-offer-their-plan-to-replace-obamacare

            Please notice this is from NPR, not Fox News. And now you can’t say the Republicans haven’t offered an alternative.

          • March 25, 2014 at 12:51 pm
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            Connie,

            I cannot speak for Libby, but my problem with the Republicans on health care is not whether or not they had a plan, it is that they did not implement their ideas when they had control from 2003-07. If you listen to Agent, he will say it is becasue they were fighting terrorists around the world.

          • March 25, 2014 at 1:52 pm
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            Ron – I agree that the Republicans should have done something long ago. And I agree they are coming up with a plan now because they have to. But to me, those two things aren’t as relevant as the fact that they HAVE indeed come up with a plan, it is a plan that is much better, more fair, and more workable than Obamacare, and it is not “going back to what we had before.” The timing or reasoning isn’t as important to me as the fact that the plan now exists. Of course, Obummer will veto it, no matter what…

          • March 25, 2014 at 2:46 pm
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            Connie,

            It is extremely relevant because it shines on the problem with Republicans. They have no foresight. They only know how to react. I would back them more if they were more visionary, proactive and pragmatic. It appears that they would rather complain about what the Democrats are doing than actually do something and face accountability. They seem to magically have all of these wonderful ideas when they know there is no chance that they will get passed, implemented and judged based on success or failure. Rather convenient.

            I do not like the PPACA, but I do give some credit to President Obama and the Democrats for trying to do something.

          • March 26, 2014 at 10:09 am
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            Ron – “It is extremely relevant because it shines on the problem with Republicans. They have no foresight. They only know how to react. I would back them more if they were more visionary, proactive and pragmatic.”

            You mean like how the entire Republican party correctly claimed that the PPACA would be a disaster. Or like how Mitt Romney and even Sarah Palin correctly saw Russia’s foreign policy issues with Ukraine 5 years ago or more!

            ” It appears that they would rather complain about what the Democrats are doing than actually do something and face accountability.”
            Well they can’t do anything about it until they control the house and the senate and even then it would be difficult. While they are essentially ineffective in congress because of Dem control, they should complain about the travesty of Obamacare; simply ignoring a problem won’t cause it to go away.

            “They seem to magically have all of these wonderful ideas when they know there is no chance that they will get passed, implemented and judged based on success or failure. Rather convenient.”
            Speaking of “wonderful ideas” that should have had no chance of being passed (without the president lying through his teeth about it’s after-effects (lower prems by $2500/household, like/keep plan, etc.) over and over. As far as implementation, it’s kind of hard to throw stones when you’re living in a glass house with panes as thick as bed sheets; the implementation of Obamacare was an abject failure. As far as judging, it’s pretty obvious to see that it has done far more harm than any good.

            Should Joseph Stalin get some “credit” for trying to do something? I mean, he killed upwards of 60 million of his own people (mostly during peace time) but hey, at least he was trying to do something, right?

          • March 26, 2014 at 10:23 am
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            “Or like how Mitt Romney and even Sarah Palin correctly saw Russia’s foreign policy issues with Ukraine 5 years ago or more!”

            Correction: Sarah Palin saw Russia. From her house.

          • March 26, 2014 at 12:28 pm
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            Destro,

            Did Agent and bob teach you reading comprehension?

            My position is that they did nothing about health care when they had control. If they had passed their own health care reform law, and it had the impact they state their ideas would have, we would not have the PPACA. Now do you understand?

            Making predictions about the effects of a law or during campaigns does not equate to being visionary or pragmatic. I want them to actually do something.

            Please list everything the Republicans accomplshed from 2003-07 and how it improved the lives of US citizens, lowered the debt and/or deficit, or improved our standing in the world. That shouldn’t take long.

        • March 24, 2014 at 7:00 pm
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          I’m glad that the Republicans have finally, finally, come up with a plan. Then again, they came up with a plan a long time ago, as an alternative to universal healthcare. Now we refer to that plan as Obamacare. Once the Rebubs figured that they didn’t have to worry about the possibility of universal healthcare, they shelved their plan for the most part (one exception being Mitt Romney, you know, the draft-dodger you voted for in the Presidential election). Based on past experience, if and when their new plan gets some buy-in from the Dems, they will then decide that they’re against it, just like they did with the current plan.

          On another point, I might be incorrect, but I don’t think the ACA is “beloved” by Libby and Ron; I think they would prefer true universal healthcare. They have that in Costa Rica, to where Rush Limbaugh promised to move if the ACA were to be passed into law. Looks like your hero Rush is also a liar.

          • March 26, 2014 at 12:26 pm
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            If you can prove to me why Mitt Romney would have made a worse president, or how Barack Obama was actually the better candidate (based on reasons besides him getting elected), I will never comment again.

            Senators don’t make for good leaders/presidents, especially Freshman senators. Governors actually understand how to…wait for it…govern!

          • March 26, 2014 at 12:36 pm
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            Mitt Romney not a better candidate:

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            “I’m proud of what we’ve done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing [Romneycare], then that will be a model for the nation.” –Mitt Romney, while campaigning for president in Baltimore in 2007

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            “At the time I crafted the plan in the last campaign I was asked is [Romneycare] something that you would have the whole nation do, and I said no. This is something that was crafted for Massachusetts. It would be wrong to adopt this as a nation.” – Mitt Romney in a 2011 Republican presidential primary debate

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            “Well, I’m not getting rid of all of healthcare reform.” – Mitt Romney, Meet the Press interview (Sept. 9, 2012)

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            “Obamacare must be repealed in its entirety.” – Mitt Romney, Hugh Hewitt Show interview (Sept. 10, 2012)

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            Romney, speaking in 2012 about the U.S. auto industry’s comeback: “I pushed the idea of a managed bankruptcy. And finally, when that was done, and help was given, the companies got back on their feet. So I’ll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry’s come back.”

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            Romney, writing in a 2008 New York Times op-ed titled “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt”: “If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye.”

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            “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it. I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice.” – Mitt Romney, in a 1994 debate with Sen. Edward Kennedy. In 2002, Romney also said, “I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.”

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            “Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. I changed my position.” – Mitt Romney, in a 2007 Iowa Straw poll debate

            Flip
            Romney in 2012: “I don’t manage the money that I have. In order to make sure that I didn’t have a conflict of interest while I was governor or while I was considering a run for national office, I had a blind trust established.”

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            Romney in 1994: “The blind trust is an age-old ruse, if you will, which is to say, you can always tell the blind trust what it can and cannot do. You give a blind trust rules.”

            Flip
            Romney in June 2011: “I believe the world is getting warmer … I believe that humans contribute to that.”

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            Romney in October 2011: “My view is that we don’t know what’s causing climate change on this planet.”

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            “I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.” –Mitt Romney in a 1994 debate with Sen. Edward Kennedy

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            “When I was running for office for the first time in 1994, I was trying to define who I was…. I’ve said since, and continue to reiterate, that one of my heroes is Ronald Reagan.” ––Mitt Romney in a 2006 Q&A with Human Events

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            “We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won’t chip away at them.” –Mitt Romney in a 2002 gubernatorial debate

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            “I don’t support any gun control legislation, the effort for a new assault weapons ban, with a ban on semi-automatic weapons, is something I would oppose.” –Mitt Romney, in a 2008 interview with conservative bloggers

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            “I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I’ve been a hunter pretty much all my life.” –Mitt Romney in April 2007

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            “I’m not a big-game hunter. I’ve always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will.” –Mitt Romney in April 2007

            Flip
            “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and representing our country there.” –Mitt Romney, reflecting in a 2007 Boston Globe interview on the Vietnam War period, when he received a deferment to work as a Mormon missionary in France

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            “It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.” –Mitt Romney, as quoted in the Boston Herald in 1994

          • March 26, 2014 at 12:36 pm
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            So you’ll never post again, right?

          • March 27, 2014 at 9:37 am
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            “At the time I crafted the plan in the last campaign I was asked is [Romneycare] something that you would have the whole nation do, and I said no. This is something that was crafted for Massachusetts. It would be wrong to adopt this as a nation.” – Mitt Romney in a 2011 Republican presidential primary debate
            ——
            Those two statements aren’t a flip flop. In the first statement he said that the success of that individual state would be a good model for other states to adopt, not create a giant centralize bureaucracy to control the entire country. The second statement just affirms that.
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            “Well, I’m not getting rid of all of healthcare reform.” – Mitt Romney, Meet the Press interview (Sept. 9, 2012)

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            “Obamacare must be repealed in its entirety.” – Mitt Romney, Hugh Hewitt Show interview (Sept. 10, 2012)
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            Again not a flip-flop. How does repealing Obamacare translate to abandoning all healthcare reform whatsoever?
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            I could honestly debunk all of the garbage you posted but back to my point, prove to me that Romney would have made a worse president. He did an incredible job governing his state and has an extensive history of executive leadership/skills. Obama…well he was a “community organize” who voted present at the majority of votes, ya know, wouldn’t want to take a position or ruffle anyone’s feathers… Get real.

          • March 27, 2014 at 9:52 am
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            Just how am I supposed to “prove” something that can’t be proved? It’s obvious to anyone with half a brain. The fact that you defend that pompous asshole if proof enough for me.

          • March 27, 2014 at 10:10 am
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            Destro,

            Just as Libby cannot prove Mitt Romney would have been a worse president, you cannot prove he would have made a better president. It is all speculation.

            If he did such a great job governing MA, why did he lose that state by 23 points in 2012? The only state he and Paul Ryan won of which they had some connection was UT.

    • March 25, 2014 at 4:02 pm
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      So Dave, We are at the four year anniversary of this dastardly law and people on this forum are still at each others throat, one side for and one side against. I think the key was that the law was passed in a completely partisan way by Progressives and rammed down our throat. They thought they could just dictate/mandate to the people and everyone would fall in line. Reality of the law is here and there is no way to sugar coat it anymore. It was a terrible law and the unintended consequences are being felt nationwide.

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        Dastardly??? Who are you? Dudley Do-Right?

        • March 27, 2014 at 9:39 am
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          Libby, what’s it like having the lexicon of an high school dropout?

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            I’ll out-lexicon you any day.

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            And I think you meant to say vocabulary, not lexicon.

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            Did lexicon come up on your “Word of the Day” calendar? LOL!!!

  • March 24, 2014 at 3:02 pm
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    If not for the ACA, I would still be working for the agency that promised me everything and gave me close to nothing. Because of the ACA, I now own an Agency, employ several people and could not be happier. I am happy to pay the premium – that was never an issue. Unfortunately, it does take some help and/or patience to get through the process. If critics worked to improve it instead of repeal it, it would work even better.

    • March 28, 2014 at 3:27 pm
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      How in the world would the ACA provide you with ownership in an agency ?

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        He was probably downsized because of it and that prompted him to go in another direction. Ain’t America grand?

  • March 24, 2014 at 3:22 pm
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    Doing nothing was a better solution then this. Even you have spoke against it.

    • March 24, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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      Yes, but I don’t endorse doing nothing. This is better than that. If you Republicans are so smart, why can’t you come up with an alternative? Going back to the way it was is not an option.

      • March 24, 2014 at 4:03 pm
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        No, this is a socialist travesty. This has nothing to do with party lines, just common sense.

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        • March 24, 2014 at 4:07 pm
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          What free market, by law citizens have to buy it and by law insurance companies have to sell it to them. That is no free market.

          • March 24, 2014 at 4:12 pm
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            Yes, you have to buy it. Just like you have to buy car insurance and employers have to buy workers compensation. Are those socialist programs?

          • March 27, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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            Libby I believe all of those do not represent a free market (rather avoid buzz words like socialists as is it’s meaning has been muddled through over-use).

            You made a good point that neo-cons pick and choose when a free market is convenient but to me all of those represent a market distortion through government intervention and they can only hurt the economy in the long run.

          • March 27, 2014 at 2:36 pm
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            I understand your position regarding government, but I struggle with the concept. Doesn’t anarchy lead to chaos?

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            Choas is the typical allegation from people that believe anarchy won’t work. I find most just accept what they have heard about anarchy and assume it results in chaos but when pushed to explain how so they usually don’t bring up any concrete points. If you are interested in the topic Robert Murphy wrote a book called “Choas Theory” and it is in my opinion the best refute to the “anarchy=chaos” idea.

            But my post was less about anarchy and my political view than it was about the definition of a free market. Free markets are markets left completely alone, i.e. no gov’t intervention, licensure, price controls, taxes, unions, and so on. Not really about my anarchist views just a definition of a word that is often confused by people on both sides of the congressional isle that throw it around way too much. Just because something is from a private business doesn’t make it a free market transaction.

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            I understand your point and will also check out Robert Murphy. I think my gut instinct is that people left alone with no direction will not do the right thing unless forced. That’s probably cynical of me.

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      • March 24, 2014 at 3:33 pm
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        Put up or shut up, Agent. If you guys have a better plan, let’s see it.

        • March 24, 2014 at 3:57 pm
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          Libby, I posted it on March 17th on the article Employers Raise Deductibles to Curb Costs. Sailed right over your head as usual. 21 likes, only 1 dislike. Now, you can go back to it and put your dislike in now since that is your mantra.

          • March 24, 2014 at 4:07 pm
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            Typical, Agent. You can’t/won’t post the link here. You’re just full of hot air.

          • March 24, 2014 at 4:20 pm
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            So this is what you call “posting the plan?” It sounds like more Agent rhetoric and commentary than fact.

            Hey Sargeant, in getting back to the Healthcare debacle, in today’s Townhall.com, Katie Pavlich reports that Republicans, who have tried repeal 50+ times are now going to introduce an Official Alternative to Obamacare. Following is a summary that has been around for a while since they were told to get in the back of the bus, but it is now gaining more traction.

            The plan includes and expansion of high risk Insurance Pools, promotion of Health Savings Accounts and inducements for small busineses to purchase coverage together. The tenets of the plan – which could expand to include the ability to buy insurance across state lines, guaranteed renewability of policies and changes to medical malpractice regulations – are ideas that various Conservatives have for a long time backed as part of broader bills. This plan makes a whole lot more sense than a government mandating a one size fits all failure that is insuring fewer people than before at outrageous rates, deductibles, out of pocket expenses. Good luck getting this through Harry Reid and Obama would certainly veto it, but it is time to get off this train wreck and move to something better.

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          • March 24, 2014 at 4:45 pm
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            Yes, and I got it because daddy hugged me too tight as a child. You’re ridiculous, Agent.

            Talk about disrespectful! You take the cake with that remark.

          • March 24, 2014 at 4:47 pm
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            And I’ll have to give you some well-needed advice previously given to you by txmouthbreatherboogereatertx:

            Have you made an appointment with a proctologist lately? Because you really need to get your head out of your ass.

            Now, that’s disrepectful!! LOL!!!

      • March 24, 2014 at 4:54 pm
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        We will see what is the majority come mid terms. People in Il already spoke – Get Rid of the Problem Politicians – BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE – because they have offered no solutions.

        I can only hope that people around the country vote out all incumbents. Fire them all.

        • March 24, 2014 at 5:06 pm
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          That’s my plan.

        • March 24, 2014 at 5:15 pm
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          FFA, believe it or not, there are some good people in office who voted against this disaster and would have come up with a plan America could live with, but they were the minority in Congress at the time and were told to get in the back of the bus and shut up, kind of like Libby keeps trying to get us to do. They think they are smarter and know what is best for the country. The facts have proven out that it is they are the dumb, ideological lemmings who passed this and they are really the ones caught getting into our cookie jar. It is really unfortunate that there are Progressives out there who are doing such damage on every front. Pick an area of governing that Progressives have done well in. I find 0 evidence of competance.

        • March 24, 2014 at 5:42 pm
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          Hey FFA, need a laugh of the day to relieve the unrelenting Libby posts? A new poll of our best Presidents is out. Out of 44 Presidents in the poll:
          1. Lincoln & Reagan tied for first.
          2. Seventeen tied for second.
          3 Twenty-three others tied for third.
          4.Jimmy Carter came in fourth.
          5. Obama came in fifth.

  • March 24, 2014 at 4:00 pm
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    I have something! let the govt subsidize a federal risk pool and return health insurance to open competition and a competitive market. Obama found a way to hijack private health insurers with their hard earned assets and turn them into a beurocratic sub agency that answers to the feds.

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      • March 24, 2014 at 4:17 pm
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        How big is your book of health insurance, how long have you been selling it ? Do you know that all those trash policies still exist ?

        How small minded of you, I have cancer, faighting for my dear friggin life and my insurance has provided me with the best of care at the leading hospitals for cancer. I am losing my heath care that was a family plan rate of $357 and now the next best thing is $1021 a month… Am I infuriated, hell yes I am.. Now my son doesnt get to continue college because now I have to divert that same money to saving my life as where before it paid his living expenses plus as well as my health insurance.

        Dont preach to me you stupid stupid girl,

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          I’m sorry for your situation and wish you well in beating cancer.

          • March 24, 2014 at 4:29 pm
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            I am sorry you are so naive.

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            Good luck with your fight.

          • March 27, 2014 at 12:49 pm
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            Libby,

            When push comes to shove I usually prefer to let this place rest for a while.

            I’m fine and always will be. I have taken worse bouts of bad life events than what occurred recently. People always ask how I do it, and I just say “If your left arm gets cut off should you cut off your right as well?”. I’m a positive guy, just not here.

            This is the one place I vent.

          • March 27, 2014 at 12:49 pm
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            Libby,

            So technically, you should be more worried in light of what I said above the more combative I am here ;)

          • March 27, 2014 at 2:38 pm
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            Nope. I wasn’t worried. I know you take a rest between posting. But you eventually will show up when the topic is important to you. Glad you’re doing OK.

          • March 28, 2014 at 12:25 pm
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            So then to clarify since I said as a percentage of gdp but didn’t say what:

            Spending as a percentage of GDP.

            You can’t argue against that one.

            You honestly tried to disregard several points of GDP growth in Reagan’s favor by saying Obama still helped the economy. Really.

          • March 28, 2014 at 12:57 pm
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            bob,

            I did not disregard anything. Did you miss the part where I stated, “Yes, the GDP growth rate under President Reagan is much better…”? This is what frustrates me about you. You cherry pick from my commnets what you want to criticize, but do not even read or correctly comprehend my entire post. I am not against President Reagan and have mentioned multiple times that he is my favorite President during my lifetime.

            All I was saying is that, contrary to what righties say, the economy has not gotten worse since President6 Obama has been in office. Can you provide economic data that indicates the economy has gotten worse? I already know that the labor participation rate is the worse it has been in a very long time or maybe the worst ever, but the economy is still improving.

        • March 24, 2014 at 4:38 pm
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          Sorry about your situation Knotins. You will find that Libby is the least respectful person on this blog followed closely by Ron and Boogereater. They could care less what people are facing in the real world as long as Obama looks good to them. You called her a stupid, stupid girl. I agree. She actually voted for Obama twice. That is the height of naivety.

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          • March 25, 2014 at 8:02 am
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            Agent,

            The fact that you justify bob’s profanity-laced, condescending posts totally discredits your ability to judge anyone else as disrespectful. Just because you are his sidekick/little buddy does not mean you should just follow along, you right-wing lemming. Try opening your eyes and thinking for yourself. Maybe you should go to different websites to gain a broader perspective of the world.

          • March 25, 2014 at 9:02 am
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            Agent,
            You are too self loathing. Now that Dubs left office, you can finally get married to the one you really love and stop hiding, you can have that person insured under your policy, and they can visit you in the hospital when you cut up your millimeter peter on the seam of your Ronnie doll. You have a Koch addiction which is where these problems originate. You are a pawn for a class that you are not a part of which makes you a whore. A dirty, dirty, whore.

          • March 25, 2014 at 3:48 pm
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            Ron, Bob doesn’t get condescending or ugly with posts until you aggravate him and he has to start calling you a child and to grow up. You have your nerve calling me a right wing lemming and to start thinking for myself. You are the one who has to consult with a website before deciding to go to the bathroom. You haven’t had an original thought in years. You are just a left wing Independent who should have changed to the Democ(RATS) years ago since you think they have all the answers. Anyone who calls themselves “two faced” has very little credibility on this forum.

          • March 25, 2014 at 4:11 pm
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            Agent,

            Bob only gets aggravated because I challenge him and have proven him to be wrong using facts, data and results. The only time he believes he has an advantage over me is when he plays the old “methodology” card.

            Do you know the difference between obtaining information and using a source to support a position?

            Who else has criticized Republicans for failure to address health care reform when they had power, or held them accountable for poor fiscal management, or showed President Reagan to have implemented Keynesian principles? Those are my original thoughts to display the hypocrisy of your party.

            When was the last time you presented an original thought instead of regurgitating right-wing talking points and putting down your employees?

            The hypocrisy, inability to supply data with a cited source, and poor reading comprehension you have displayed gives you no credibility.

            Now, go shine bob’s shoes.

          • March 25, 2014 at 4:25 pm
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            Booyah and Snap!

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:30 pm
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            He won by a landslide mostly because the instant anybody questioned his experience, voting/policy record, or literally anything about him the entire media got behind him shouting racism etc. He got 96% of black voters. Despite the numerous campaign promises that got him elected, he’s followed through with very few.

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:35 pm
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            I thought you weren’t going to post anymore.

          • March 27, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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            Ron,

            I’m sorry, list one thing you proved me wrong on.

            I do not get mad about the data.

            I get mad that you treat people like garbage, then pretend you don’t.

          • March 27, 2014 at 12:42 pm
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            Ron,

            Show how Ronald Reagan was Keynesian.

            We had this debate. I said if he was, how did his method work while Obama’s did not? You had no viable answer.

            You would have to prove Ronald wanted increased spending.

            I provided an article with doom and gloom about even minor cuts during the recession of the 80′s, with Democrats doing the same thing they are now, “if you cut spending after cutting taxes HOW DARE YOU BE FOR THE RICH AND NOT THE POOR”.

            It happened. Ronald Reagan did not push increased spending.

            If so, show an article with Reagan owning the spending, and I’ll show you some of him bashing it saying he would not pass it.

            He was not Keynesian in policy. Get over it.

          • March 27, 2014 at 12:44 pm
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            Bob – KYjw has been worried about you. Glad to see you’re back. I told her you would be.

          • March 27, 2014 at 12:46 pm
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            Ron,

            Showing a chart that shows spending per president, then not showing GDP growth, is the one thing you have tried to show that shows Reagan spent high.

            As a percentage of gdp, his deficits were lower than Obama. It is just a fact. You used the percentage increase without the amount it was in comparison to GDP.

            Moving on: The chart also would not show who made the spending occur. Reagan has to pass a budget or risk a shut down. Unlike the coward Obama, who did do a shut down to get his way, Reagan basically did not. Showing a chart with spending does not show Reagan owns that spending.

            We have three branches of government. To be keynesian, you have to choose to be. Reagan openly blasted spending WHILE IN OFFICE rather than campaigning just to get in then saying we needed more spending (Obama). The democrats wouldn’t let him cut. End of story. I already gave the article showing his attempts of cutting. Democrats were having none of it.

            You have to prove that Reagan proposed increased spending. Show the article, punk, or get lost!

          • March 27, 2014 at 2:22 pm
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            Ron,

            That was a misunderstanding, and I have not forgotten.

            And I have already shown you, again above, that Reagan doesn’t own that spending and fought against it. He was cut off at the knees.

            Regardless of such, as a percentage of GDP he beats Obama. Which means I misspoke, but was right.

            That all you got, punk?

            Because as I see it that was fairly desperate.

            Prove Ronald Reagan was Keynesian. I’ll ask again because that chart does not. Show me the article that proves it.

            We can keep having this debate until you admit Ronald Reagan tried to cut and democrats in office at the time wouldn’t allow it.

            Say the words, that Ronald was not a keynesian, or you are not a moderate.

          • March 28, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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            And Ron,

            I see you missed when I said that deficit to gdp was the parameter we were going to weigh, because Debt to GDP has several parameters.

            Remember the cherry picking information argument?

            The argument evolved, you kept playing on the fact that I misspoke.

            I haven’t forgotten.

          • March 28, 2014 at 12:24 pm
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            As a side comment Ron,

            The economy could not continue to get worse indefinitely.

            The economy goes through recessions, and always goes back up whether republican or democrat.

            The correct parameter to measure is how much from the norm the recovery is.

            Obama has made the recovery from the norm, worse.

            When people say he made the recession worse he did by that measure.

            He also did by using QE to inflate the cost to buy a house, and to keep interest rates low.

            You need to admit, that action alone, is why the slump is so bad. He is the worst president for this recovery just for that.

            Do you admit that he inflated housing costs in a recession while the incomes of the people in the recession did not recover?

            If so, you must admit he owns this recession, and he is terrible, not just somewhat bad, for the economy.

            I’m getting a little tired of your “obama aint that bad” argument.

            Yes. He is. Say the words, then get lost.

          • March 28, 2014 at 12:27 pm
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            *posted in wrong spot*

            But to add a little more, you need to admit I know what I’m talking about, rather than trying to find one spot I was wrong in, in order to make the argument you always prove me wrong. You didn’t find the spot as is, but I know the style Ron, and it is part of the reason I kick your teeth in. Say I know what I’m talking about in politics, immediately. You have said in this article that I only get mad because you consistently prove me wrong. You don’t. Say it.

            So then to clarify since I said as a percentage of gdp but didn’t say what:

            Spending as a percentage of GDP.

            You can’t argue against that one.

            You honestly tried to disregard several points of GDP growth in Reagan’s favor by saying Obama still helped the economy. Really.

          • March 28, 2014 at 1:10 pm
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            Bob,

            To you it is a misstatement or misunderstanding, to any rational person it was a mistake and I proved you WRONG. Until you admit you were WRONG and I proved it, do not expect the same courtesy from me.

            Just typing the words “I kick your teeth in”, does mean anything to anyone, but you and your sidekick/little buddy Agent.

            In my opinion, I have been kicking in your teeth.

            “Not improving fast enough” or “not improving as fast as normal” does NOT equate to “getting worse” in any rhelm outside of the mind of a misinformed righty. You know, you and Agent. Until you can prove the economy has gotten technically worse, stop taliking about it you crotchity old man.

            You will get zero respect from me until you start displaying some respect toward me. You are the one who started with the profanity and calling me a kid and a punk.

            If you will not acknowledge that I know what I am talking about, you will not get the same courtesy from me.

        • March 25, 2014 at 12:14 pm
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          • March 25, 2014 at 2:51 pm
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            DCMS, Because his premiums spiked by $700.00 a month. Stated that in the previous post that he needs that money to pay tuition. Now, because of the ACA, he dont have that.

          • March 25, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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            Speaking as a person that worked Full Time and College Full time, one or the other were constantly suffering as neither could get my full undivided attention.

            No where near as good as a choice as he had before. Another knock on quality of life brought on by the ACA.

          • March 25, 2014 at 4:47 pm
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            So Ron, where did you get that comment, from Media Matters or Moveon.org? We know you have no thoughts of your own and get everything you say off a leftist website or your hero Paul Krugman. Please feel free to consult yet another website for your response.

          • March 26, 2014 at 7:43 am
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            If he only needs $700 per month to continue college, I think a student loan would work. That would be $700 x 12 = $8,400 loan per year. Heck fire! I wish my son had only needed that much per year. No, he had to go to some private school that costs more per year than my entire time in college. The interest rate on loans is pretty good right now, so why not?

          • March 26, 2014 at 12:11 pm
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            Agent,

            First, to whcich comment are you referring?

            Second, when I get information from another source, I cite it. Maybe you should try that sometime.

            Third, how is Paul Krugman or any other economist my hero? I have expressed multiple times that I do agree or disagree with any economist completely. I even agree with a lot of Milton Friedman’s principles.

            I believe bob needs you to go pick up his dry cleaning you misinformed, right-wing tool.

          • March 28, 2014 at 11:15 am
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            DONT CALL ME SHIRLEY
            To answer your question, yes he is disabled due to a climbing accident and nearly lost his leg. He has worked his ass off since he was 16 and has a 3.8 gpa and gradusted second in his class. We dont take free handouts from the goverment, we dont put ourselves in debt. He was accepted in the Marine officer training program but with his hardware, nerve damage and such, this wont happen. Will he go back to college, yes! will he finish college, yes! Will I will be able to see this through, Hell yes ! Not on the goverments dime and not on the backs of others. Should I have to pay $700.00 more a month for insurance as a forced tax, HELL NO ! Yes I support the notion of others taking responsibility of our own lives, thus I am appaled by the notion of paying for others that wont. FYI, my son has no notion of being a leech, he was raised right. He has taken a job that is more fitting of his current physical abilities after being bound to a bed for 3 months and an additional 3 months of not being allowed to use his leg. Unlike others that would look to bale them out, we own this, we adapt and overcome. Life is fair, it doesnt allways give you what you want, but you pick yourself up and find a way to get what you need, you make it fair through hard work and determination. So in short, Kiss My A** !

      • March 24, 2014 at 6:11 pm
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        Libby, Yes your right, when you buy on the exchange you know just what your getting. Either screwed or a free ride from the guy your screwing !

        • March 26, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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          Ron, typical response from a two faced liberal Independent who doesn’t know right from wrong and needs a website to form an opinion. I am not ashamed of being Conservative, but you should be ashamed of being a Progressive leftist.

          • March 26, 2014 at 3:23 pm
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            Agent,

            When will start posting replies under my comment? Which response of mine was typical?

            I would be ashamed of being a Progressive if I was one.

            If you recall, you called for Progressive Socialism to be gone for 100 years and I called for it to be gone forever.

            Bob just finished pooping and needs to to go and wipe his butt.

          • March 27, 2014 at 12:43 pm
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            Ron,

            Shut up. You like to bring me up a lot, that’s for sure.

          • March 28, 2014 at 11:28 am
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            Ron, in your pea sized brain, if you will notice, there often isn’t a reply button for about 10 posts sometimes and Libby keeps raving post after post one after another. What would you do with her if you were her boss if she were doing this hour after hour? In a 40 hour work week, at least half her time on IJ. Maybe she should be paid for 20 hours work and that might get her attention.

          • March 28, 2014 at 12:12 pm
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            Agent,

            You cannot even click on the correct reply button, but you call me a pea brain. If you cannot find the correct reply button, then at least mention to which of my posts/responses you are referring.

            I already addressed how I would handle Libby or any other employee regarding this issue.

            I am still waiting for you to answer my question:
            Which of my comments do you think I got from Media Matters or Moveon.org?

            And you whined when I did not answer one of your questions. HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • March 28, 2014 at 1:16 pm
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            Agent:

            Since I don’t take a lunch break or any other break for that matter, the time I spend on IJ is accounted for.

            And you call me nosy? You can’t mind your own business to save your life!

      • March 24, 2014 at 6:19 pm
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        For $54 a month a 20 year old male could have bought a $2500 ded PPO plan with 80/20 coinsurance and an out of pocket max of $4500. Now that same 20 yr old will pay over $208 a month for twice thded deductible. Think of the time effect on money investing the difference at 8% until retirement at 65. Thats $714,262.38 taken away from his future………. Why I ask is this good ?

        • March 25, 2014 at 4:27 pm
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          8% guaranteed? How do I get in on that deal? That’s what I had to pay on my student loans way back when. I wish I could have gotten the rates they get now. I could have invested the difference at 8%.

          • March 28, 2014 at 12:01 pm
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            DCMS

            There are no guaranteed rates of 8%, but the average return on the DOW exceeds 8% and a moderate investment portfolio in mutual funds should sustain an 8% return which is short of the average.

        • March 28, 2014 at 5:18 pm
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          Libby, I think poking your nosy butt into a business conversation FFA and I had and posting ad nauseum 40 or 50 times on two separate articles that we didn’t know the difference between premium and revenue qualifies you as a nosy Progressive bitch. Try picking on Bob sometime or answering someone else who posts to you and we will all be better off.

        • April 2, 2014 at 2:56 pm
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          So Libby, you don’t take a lunch break or any other break for that matter so you will be free to blog. Wow, your eyeballs must be floating by the time you leave for the day. I am a little more understanding with my CSR’s. They have a break in the morning and one in the afternoon and they are free to use the ladies room when they feel the need. Maybe you have that bladder bag taped to your leg like Wendy Davis did when she was protesting the new Abortion Bill in Texas.

  • March 24, 2014 at 5:06 pm
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    Libby, have not seen any “Success” stories about this. Only the horror. If you know of any, please advise.

    • March 24, 2014 at 5:23 pm
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      FFA, Libby believes Harry Reid that all the Horror stories are all pure fiction and should be dismissed as “lies”. Her hero hasn’t told any lies on this subject, has he?

    • March 28, 2014 at 5:20 pm
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      By the way FFA, Reid apparently has dementia as well. He is now denying that he said the Horror stories were all lies. Funny thing about tape, we can see and hear what he said. This guy is loony tunes and he is in charge of the Senate at least until November.

  • March 24, 2014 at 5:11 pm
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    Libby, do you work with health insurance. I had a 1:00 appt today and it was a husband and wife that were team drivers and they are getting non-renewed because the plan was after the 2010 law. Now their rates are trippled.

    In Missouri there was always the Health Risk Pool if you were rejected and the plans and rates closely mimick the new marketplace plans. There was no excuse to be uninsured due to health condtitions. Now everybody has to pay those high rates unless they are subsidized and the end effect is a social tax that the those that were responsible enough to pay for insurance before are now effectively paying for the uninsured. When rates at least double it means that for everyone paying full price is now paying to insure at least one other person. If its not a tax then it is a forced social program and this equals socialism. There is no other word for it ! I have sat here and talked myself blue in the face to the uninsured, leading them to the marketplace and the same people that were uninsured before have the same mindset and they are not buying it! I have heard time after time, I will wait until I am sick, then buy it…… You cant change the mentality of the iresponsible and you can lead the horse to water but you cant make it drink. In a perfect world, everyone signs up and rates go down but this is a far from perfect world. The percentage of uninsured has only dropped by a few percent because those with the mentality of responsibility are going to buy insurance when they are well to protect them if they are ill but those who dont care, they just dont care.

    Yes a few have been able to get insurance because they were for some reason not led to the state risk pools and for them I have great compassion. But there was a better way, a national risk pool that could have been subsidized through a tax. But now the reponsible are punished with huge increases all for the reward of a few.

    I argue, do you sell health insurance, who buys your health insurance? There is no way you could mantain your stance if you were up to your neck in it and lived real life experience as opposed to gleaming the rosey outlook of a few sound bytes of euphoria for Obamas socialist experiment.

    Look at the numbers, were not solving problems we are just shuffling them around. The uninsured population has only chaged by a few percentage points. What does this solve, sadly very little.

    We are being forced out of our underwritten plans into this doomed program. Insurance companies have been written into goverment sub agencies with the stroke of a pen, billions of dollars that the responsible insureds have been trusting to the companies surplus for our future claims have been taken over with 5000 pages of law that forces Insurance companies to become part of this mess. They are now told what to sell, how it is sold, how much profit they can take and that they can duplicate what is offered in the marketplace and sell it for at least 2% higher premium outside the marketplace by selling direct. They have been chained to the goverment and the only choice they have is to quit, roll up…. and they cant even do that because they are bound by contracts.

    Merriam Webster defines socialism as “a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled
    by the government rather than by individual people and companies”. I argue that they are still solely owned but absolutely captive to the goverment.

    • March 24, 2014 at 5:21 pm
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      Knotins, Libby does not sell or service Health Insurance although she would have you believe she knows the subject backward and forward. She is just a licensed CSR in an agency although she thinks she is the “Agent”. I hope her boss catches her blogging all day every day and gives her a stern warning to get back to work if she wants to keep her job. She is wasting his money and I feel sorry that the salary he is paying her is going right down the tubes.

      • March 25, 2014 at 8:10 am
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        Agent,

        You know absolutely nothing about Libby, her boss or the value she may or may not bring to her employer. The problem with these blogs is that nothing is verifiable and nobody is held accountable. She can say that she brings in $50,000 in premium per week and you can either believe her or not. We already know where you stand.

        If her boss is not smart enough to track her productivity and verify that she is providing value to the business, that is his/her problem. Apparently, the checks keep going to Libby so she must be doing something right.

        • March 25, 2014 at 8:33 am
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          • March 25, 2014 at 10:22 am
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            Libby,

            They’re actually “gals” or “dollies” and not girls

          • March 25, 2014 at 11:09 am
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            Libby, So in fact you arent in the trenches and your experience is gleamed through watching blogs. If you were indeed running the numbers and looking at the shock and dissapointment in those that are being so injured by this then I would expect a greater understanding from you. Do your homework, look historicaly at your state health risk pool, look at what people are now being charged, look at what would happen to you today if your employer stopped buying your insurance for you. Look at the difference in price, look at the time element of the money you will be spending. When you have done these things, sit down and talk to agents that have made a career of helping people that now have their hands tied and are helpless to their clients that they care for.

            Only after doing these things will you understand how people are being taxed through increased premiums often to a level that exceeds their annual tax contribution in whole. Ask yourself this question, are you willing to double your income tax in order to fund Obamacare ? Because if your life were to change tommorow and you lost your benefits this is a position you are likely to find yourself in.

          • March 25, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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            Don’t be so hard on him, Libby. He’s still upset about that young hooligan who came into town and corrupted the Youth with his dancing.

          • March 25, 2014 at 4:13 pm
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            Some people just don’t like Kevin Bacon.

          • March 25, 2014 at 4:28 pm
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            Yes, Agent does strike me as the town censor and overall Debbie Downer type.

            If he’d only cut loose, footloose, and put on his dancing shoes!

        • March 25, 2014 at 12:55 pm
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          • March 25, 2014 at 1:39 pm
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            “If I had an employee like that, a stern warning would be given first and if it didn’t stop, she would again be seeking other employment.”

            That sounds so maverick. I bet you can see Russia from your house!

          • March 25, 2014 at 1:49 pm
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          • March 25, 2014 at 7:13 pm
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            Libby, no one discouraged me. You were playing Cheer Leader hoping I would prove my self wrong. Agent was trainer standing on the corner with Super Glue waiting to close my wounds.

            He was right. He ran out of super glue by 10/15/2013…I took a beating. It still hurts…

            Life lesson… Stick with what works.

    • March 25, 2014 at 12:27 pm
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      Actually, socialized healthcare, as they have in Canada, would be a better way to go. We spend a larger percentage of GDP on healthcare than many other nations that provide just as well, and we’re no better off. The main exception to that argument, is that if you are filthy rich, you may be able to find something better under our traditional system, than in a system like what Canada has. Then again, a lot of wealthy people have gone to other countries (because they can afford the travel) for treatments, and that has been going on since long before this Republicare.

      • March 25, 2014 at 3:40 pm
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        Hey Ron, because that is what she is. All my CSR’s are fully licensed and can write business in the agency name and collect a commission per cent for new and renewal, but not one of them think they are the “Agent”. If you put yourself in an Agency owners shoes and you found out your employee was blogging all day on IJ, what would you do with her? The salary paid is for work performed, not ranting the Progressive agenda all day. Maybe that is ok with you, but she owes her employer her full attention. If you were cutting the checks every two weeks, you may have a different opinion on this.

        • March 25, 2014 at 4:00 pm
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          Agent,

          She just said that she is a Claim Manager. More of that sterling reading comprehension on display.

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          • March 25, 2014 at 4:41 pm
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            Way to answer my question Ron. You criticize my reading skills and you can’t even answer a question. Go to a website and search for an answer and get back to me.

          • March 25, 2014 at 4:51 pm
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          • March 26, 2014 at 12:15 pm
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            Agent,

            You are going to criticize me for not answering a question? Does your hypocrisy have any bounds?

            I would make sure she understands the expectations during the job offer. If she is accomplishing her tasks and providing value commensurate with her compensation, I would not have a problem with her blogging. If she is not, see ya without any warning.

          • March 26, 2014 at 12:15 pm
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            Ron, what does Libby’s assertion that she is a Claims Manager have to do with this discussion? Did your brain go into arrest? She didn’t say she handled Health Claims which we know she doesn’t do. Why doesn’t she just go home and blog on her PC at night instead of robbing her employer of work time?

          • March 26, 2014 at 12:42 pm
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            Quit talking about me like I’m not here. Ron means that since I’m a claim manager, I am not a CSR you dimwit. Not that there’s anything wrong with being a CSR. It is an important job. But one I haven’t done since 1993.

            I know you look down on CSR’s by the way you talk about them. I wonder if your CSR knows what you think about her. That she is less worthy than you because of your position. Pompous ass.

        • March 25, 2014 at 4:25 pm
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          • March 25, 2014 at 4:30 pm
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            He did say he had a paper route.

        • March 26, 2014 at 7:52 am
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          Agent, why does it matter to you how much time Libby spends online? Personally, speaking as a boss and an employee, only one thing matters: does the job get done well?

          Let me tell you this, it is quite possible to wander through here several times a day and still get work done and done well. If you are organized and have a good attention to detail, reading and blogging on the IJ is actually a good break between tasks. Look at how much time you spend on IJ. Are you slacking on your job?

          • March 26, 2014 at 9:04 am
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            It bothers him because he makes me his business. If you’ll notice, he’s always referring to me, “quoting” me, or trying to goad me. I think he has a crush on me.

          • March 26, 2014 at 12:11 pm
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            Tell me KYjw, do you sign the payroll checks for your agency? Does your agency manual permit employees to use the agency computer for personal use, blog on websites? If it does, that is poor business practice. If I am remunerating an employee to do a job, I want them concentrating on that job, not blogging all day. They can use their personal computer at home if they want to do that. Sorry if that doesn’t fit your idea of a well run agency.

          • March 26, 2014 at 12:48 pm
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            Agent – do YOU sign the payroll checks at my agency? No. So mind your own damn business.

            My boss hired me to do a job at a particular salary. I told him that job did not keep me busy full-time, so he gave another responsibility and then another. I manage to do them all and have let him know I still have capacity for more if he needs it.

            How can you fault someone for blogging on an INSURANCE related site if they are getting everything done that you expect of them?

            Only you would. Which shows why you would win the Worst Boss of the Year award, if you haven’t already.

          • March 26, 2014 at 1:05 pm
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            Agent,
            Your pimps Reince Priebus and the Koch Brothers write your checks and you still have time to blog your deep fried, artery clogging, Neo-Conisms. Don’t you have a bunch of truck stops to hit on I-35 and I-10? What’ll it be today cowboy, the special?

          • March 27, 2014 at 8:21 am
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            Agent, why does it matter to you?

            I’m a worker bee, and very happy with my station. I love my job and I’m very good at what I do. I was able to add lurking on IJ as part of my research duties.

            What makes you think other people can’t do that? You have a very narrow opinion of what people should do.

          • March 27, 2014 at 8:45 am
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            KY jw,
            Agent has a classic case of Napoleon Syndrome. Problem is, he’s more like Napoleon Dynamite and not Napoleon Bonaparte. Gosh!

          • March 27, 2014 at 9:55 am
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            Napoleon Dynamite is way cooler than Agent.

          • March 27, 2014 at 10:56 am
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            I’m crushing on Libby so hard. I just can’t get enough of that emotion based ideology and cognitive dissonance of reality.
            /s

          • March 27, 2014 at 11:04 am
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            That sick Jon Heder burn.

          • March 27, 2014 at 11:17 am
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            All you neo-cons seem to be obsessed with me. I’m sorry, but I’m not interested. I’ve got a real man at home.

          • March 27, 2014 at 11:21 am
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            And did you learn about cognitive dissonance in your Psych 101 class on-line?

      • March 26, 2014 at 10:46 am
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        Hey FFA, every agent in the business has taken a beating in business from time to time. Every business decision we make has consequences. Sometimes it is good, sometimes it doesn’t work out and we have to move on and do the best we can. I wasn’t willing to try to do Health Insurance under this scam knowing what I knew about it and all the lies from this President and his minions. Something new comes down every week. Just yesterday, they announced another delay in sign up because they can’t meet their goals in open enrollment. They can’t tell the public how many that enrolled have even paid a premium. Isn’t that great? If 25-40% haven’t paid, they don’t have insurance. I have a fresh supply of Super Glue if you need assistance. P&C, P&C and more P&C and watch your bonuses grow.

        • March 26, 2014 at 11:56 am
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          when I was captive, my DM had a 4 letter word for these situations…. NEXT!

          Got to write this one off as a lesson learned the hard way. What the lesson??? oBama is a liar! Dont believe anything he says.

          • March 26, 2014 at 12:04 pm
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            FFA, there is a three letter word for mistake. It is “Err” which I suppose is short for “Error”. You erred thinking you could sell and service Obamacare. Really, the agent was taken out of the equation and all you got was the headaches, expense etc. It is interesting that the libs on this forum are still defending after 4 years. What does that tell us about their brain power to swallow all the lies hook, line and sinker?

          • March 26, 2014 at 12:50 pm
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          • March 26, 2014 at 1:26 pm
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            So Libby, whats the end result? I talked to someone the other day. Could not afford $130.00 subsidized premium. Cant afford the tax. “Whats the point?” she asked.

            So, please tell me – How are we as a country better off?
            How did the law accomplish getting Health Insurance for the Not Rich?

          • March 26, 2014 at 2:09 pm
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          • March 26, 2014 at 2:36 pm
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            My question is this:

            How is the country better off with this law? Forget the concept – which I do agree with – but think of the end result. Are we better off – as a country (Big Picture) with or without this law?

            I am not OBama. I do not dig into how people spend their money and then tell them they cant spend it on certain things because they have to spend it on something else. Medicaid? How am I as an agent able to determine that? Why on earth would I spend time lifting a finger? ofnBama dont work for free. Why should I?

            How are we better off? End result. Not Concept. How are we better off?

          • March 26, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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            BTW Libby, that person lives in Cook County – the highest tax rate in the nation. The highest Ins Premiums in this state. Property Taxes out of this world high.

            I dont live in Cook. Most of my neighbors are paying over $6000 for property taxes on what amounts to about 1200 sq feet homes on a 50X150 city lot. That would equate to at least $9000 where she lives. Not to mention that gas is at least $1.50 higher where she lives then where I live. By the time I get to the WI border, gas is at least $0.40 cheaper. Oh, and IL breeds and promotes Dead Beat dadism. So, she is raising her children on her own with nothing coming child support.

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          • March 26, 2014 at 4:32 pm
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            Katrina:
            Repubic Hairs: “We need money down here.”

            US Gov’t: Ok fellow Americans, this money will help you out.
            Repubic Hairs: “Ok we have our money. Here you go private contractors, everyone else MOVE!!!”

            Sandy:
            Americans: Our largest metropolitan area is about to be devastated.

            South ‘Murrican Repubic Hairs – My Great Grand Pappy and Pee Paw fought to keep government of out state’s issues. No money unless we get slavery back!

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:39 pm
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            West:

            Texicans: We need money down here.

            U.S. Govt: OK. You haven’t had a natural disaster, but it’s a disaster nevertheless. Here’s some money.

            Texicans: OK. Now get the f*ck out of our state. And stay out! Until we need more money…

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:50 pm
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            If it affordable and actually was as it was promised, we would be on the same side. But he screwed up big time at a huge expense to the tax payer.

            It does not work as it was sold to us. Bait & Switch is against the law. That is exactly what he did.

            Any business would be fined and punished if they did what he did. Instead, he can break the law and hide behind executive privilege. He lives in his world of do as I say, not as I do.

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:56 pm
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          • March 27, 2014 at 11:21 am
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            Libby, you want to blame Katrina on Republicans? Ever heard of Mayor Ray Nagin? The Democrat mayor recently sentenced to 20 of 21 federal corruption charges? The Democrat Mayor who instead of dispatching a fleet of busses (that were readily available) to bus people out of the city instead let them sit in a lot unused while the flood waters buried them?

            Come on guys don’t you know that Republicans CAUSED Katrina and the ensuing problems with it?!?! OMGWTFBBQLAZERZ

          • March 27, 2014 at 11:37 am
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            When did I blame Katrina on Republicans???

            You right-wing fanatics sure have a problem with reading comprehension. It’s an epidemic with you people.

            I just said that what I heard from Republicans was rather than “subsidize” people that knowingly live in a flood plain by sending FEMA down, those folks should just move. Anything to save a buck. The greed and avarice knows no bounds.

        • March 26, 2014 at 3:44 pm
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          Super Glue or KY? Which is it? You might not be able to keep your Scout Master Designation with the latter.

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      • March 26, 2014 at 3:51 pm
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        Libby, where are the Democratic fixes to make this law palatable to America? Have any of the mandates gone away? All they do is delay implementation and keep stringing it out hoping it will appeal to people. You insult Conservatives for presenting a different plan and don’t offer anything as a fix to this one which is dividing the country and ruining the economy. Why not offer tax credits to buy it instead of tax penalties if you don’t? Why hasn’t the Medical Device tax been done away with? Why not make it optional to either buy Birth Control Coverage or not? Why should FFA & I have to have Birth Control coverage to pay for someone else? Why do the young people have to pay double or triple premiums when they don’t get sick much? It is all upside down to fit a Progressive Mantra and by the way, it doesn’t work and won’t work.

        • March 26, 2014 at 4:02 pm
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          Agent:

          This Congress can’t get their stuff together enough to agree that the sky is blue. They are at each others throats and nothing is getting done for the benefit of the country.

          That is why I am voting out all incumbents in the upcoming elections. Only when we get some people in there that have our best interests at heart, and not their own, will we be able to move this country forward.

          You, on the other hand, have committed to electing Republicans, regardless. With that position, you are continuing the division in the nation and not helping to put an end to it.

          • March 28, 2014 at 9:40 am
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            You bet Libby. I don’t have any Republicans to vote out since they didn’t vote for Obamacare, are not Progressive. In fact, no Republicans voted for this travesty when it passed in a total partisan way. Vote out your Democratic incumbents who did and we may get somewhere. Every state has the opportunity to evaluate their incumbents. It is interesting that James Carville told Mary Landrieu to stay as far away from Obama as possible since she is in deep trouble in Louisiana for accepting the Louisiana Purchase for voting for the “law”.

          • March 28, 2014 at 10:37 am
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            Agent,

            Are you for or against term limits?

        • March 26, 2014 at 4:50 pm
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          I’ll solve the birth control issue. Crop Dust NASCAR events with a powdered Plan-B pills and replace regular light bulbs at mega churches and Walmart with infra-red lamps that can scramble any tadpole or egg.

  • March 25, 2014 at 7:59 pm
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    • March 27, 2014 at 11:54 am
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      I smell a member of the Obamacare SEO/SEM team. =)

      • March 27, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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        Nope, it’s just Cobra Commander (the hooded version) trying to take a bigger cut your arms deal

  • March 28, 2014 at 10:22 am
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    You’ve wanted proof of voter fraud – you got it.

    http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/6-100-dead-people-on-nassau-voter-rolls-newsday-analysis-finds-1.6349860

    Nasa actually beat Chicago – go figure.

    • March 28, 2014 at 10:36 am
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      Always Amazed,

      Did you even read the article?

      It stated, “The votes attributed to the dead are too few, and spread over 20 elections since 2000, to consider them a coordinated fraud attempt. More likely is what investigators in other states have found when examining dead voter records: Clerical errors are to blame, such as a person’s vote being assigned to a dead person with a similar name.”

      It sounds more like incompetent bureacracy than voter fraud.

      Was anyone charged or convicted for this?

      Whom did these dead people vote?

      How many elections were impacted?

      Did someone lose who should have won?

      You just do not understand my point, do you? I want proof that spending millions of taxpayer dollars on voter ID laws would stop IN-PERSON VOTER FRAUD significant enough to have changed just one election result in our country’s history.

      • March 28, 2014 at 11:12 am
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        Does it matter who these dead people voted for? I think not. Perhaps IF we had voter ID you might get the proof you need when the elections are all tallied up. Obama’s is spending billions of taxpayer money on his own agenda such as the Muslim Brotherhood – a known terrorist organization – I don’t see you bitching and moaning on that point. But voter ID you have a big issue with? Typical Liberal.

        • March 28, 2014 at 11:38 am
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          Please cite any CREDIBLE source about your accusation. I dare you.

          You go around slandering this man and have no proof to back it up. You always amaze me.

        • March 28, 2014 at 12:03 pm
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          Always Amazed,

          I asked 5 questions and you answered 1.

          You righties are something else. I am pointing out the hypocrisy of the Republican Party. They complain about big government and wasting taxpayer dollars until they want something. Then they manufacture a problem that does not exist in order to disenfranchise people who tend to vote for the other party. Get it?

          The reason it matters for whom they voted is because the argument from tghe right has been that only Democrats engage in voter fraud. If thease dead people are also voting for Republicans, then that kills their argument.

          • March 28, 2014 at 3:58 pm
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            The hypocracy of the Rebulican Party. What about this story?
            http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20140207/wire/140209651

            Humm?

            To answer your questions: Yes, I did read the article. It doesn’t matter which party the deceased man in the group of roughly 270 people voted for 14 times – it only proves that they did vote 14 times since their death and last I heard that is an impossible task for someone who is, indeed deceased, to accomplish. A living soul had to cast that vote and obviously it wasn’t casted in their name and therefore it is fraudulent.

            I don’t care as to how many elections were effected. The point is if votes are being cast by someone who in no longer amongst the living – that is fraudulant.

            Did someone lose who should have won? Another pointless question. If we need an ID to purchase a plane ticket, booze, cigarettes, pass port, what have you – then why not to vote? This is by far one of the most important privileges we have in this country.

            Quit making this a Democrat Rebulican issue.

          • March 28, 2014 at 4:06 pm
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            I fail to see the relevance of your link to the hypocrisy of Republicans. Did you post the wrong one?

          • March 29, 2014 at 1:24 pm
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            Always Amazed,

            If you did read the article then you would know it does not prove that in-person voter fraud is a real issue.

            Are you of the opinion that the government should fix every problem we have in this country whether or not said problem actually impacts anyone?

            I am sick and tired of how big the government has gotten and how much taxpayer money is being spent to fix something that has not been proven to be broken.

  • March 28, 2014 at 10:28 am
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    Ok, who will sign my petition for a very important cause? June 5, 2014 marks the 10 year anniversary of our Lord and Savior Ronald Reagan’s death. I am creating this petition to make it a national holiday called “New Easter” and out of respect, the world must stop spinning on its axis for 24 hours.

    • March 28, 2014 at 10:35 am
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      Sign me up!

    • April 2, 2014 at 3:04 pm
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      Careful boogereater. Libby admitted to liking and voting for Reagan. Somewhere along the way, she was brainwashed into thinking Progressive Liberalism was the better way.



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