Could ‘Missing Number 1321′ on Subsidies Derail Affordable Care Act?

By Andrew Zajac | March 25, 2014

  • March 25, 2014 at 1:40 pm
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    Repeal and Replace this pile of S**t!

    Something un-American about requiring someone to buy a product!

    • March 25, 2014 at 2:10 pm
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      Sarah, this is the mother of all laws of unintended consequences. I like OBob’s solution to re-introduce it on an up or down vote. I am sure it would sail right through as he put it.

    • March 31, 2014 at 2:15 pm
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      I find this comment hilarious considering it’s posted on an insurance website where, barring NH, everyone with a vehicle is required to buy that [auto insurance] product.

      • April 2, 2014 at 1:42 pm
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        Rosenblatt-Not certain about every state but the majority that I am aware of do not require insurance but rather financial responsibility, which can be satisfied by insurance, a bond or other proof of ability to pay in the event of a loss. Further unlike the ACA which requires purchase of medical if you are alive, one does not have to drive a car, it is a choice that citizens make like so many others.

  • March 25, 2014 at 1:46 pm
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    Ha! You’re assuming that this is a Country that follows the rule of law. Leader Obama will just fix it, ignore it or change it to his liking. Who needs Congress right? Better yet SCOTUS will fix it for him…tax, fine, they’re all the same.

    • March 26, 2014 at 9:31 am
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  • March 25, 2014 at 1:46 pm
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    Simple solution just insert “1321″ and re-introduce the ACA for a vote. I can’t imagine why a law this popular wouldn’t sail right through the 2nd time.

    • April 2, 2014 at 4:01 pm
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      Hey OBob, especially with a 26% approval according to the latest poll. Even Democrats are running from this now and fear reprisals at the polls in November.

  • March 25, 2014 at 2:06 pm
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    I love that a U.S. District judge appointed by Bill “that depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is” Clinton is arguing the interpretation of the phrasing of the law.

  • March 25, 2014 at 2:37 pm
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    When has a law in any country caused such an upheaval? Trampling on religious freedom. Penalizing people for not buying something. Forcing me to pay for things I will never use. Taking qualified licensed professionals out of the distribution channels.

    All based on lies.

    • March 26, 2014 at 1:08 pm
      Agent says:
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      FFA, One of my agent friends sent me the following:
      Welcome … to 2014
      Our phones – wireless
      Cooking – Fireless
      Cars – Keyless
      Food – Fatless
      Tires – Tubeless
      Dress – Sleeveless
      Youth – Jobless
      Leaders – Shameless
      Relationships – Meaningless
      Attitudes – Careless
      Babies – Fatherless
      Feelings – Heartless
      Education – Valueless
      Children – Mannerless
      Country – Godless

      We are – Speechless
      Congress is – Clueless
      Our President is – Worthless!

      • March 26, 2014 at 2:11 pm
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      • March 26, 2014 at 6:10 pm
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        • March 27, 2014 at 1:23 pm
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          Don’t Call Me Shirley – delusional

          • March 27, 2014 at 2:28 pm
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          Shirley, you aren’t Progressiveless!

  • March 25, 2014 at 3:15 pm
    Original Bob says:
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    Is it just me or is there something fishy about the number of dislikes without any liberal comments? Has this site been hijacked by the politically correct police?

    • March 25, 2014 at 3:34 pm
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      I noticed that happen yesterday too. Assuming Libby or CaptainPlanet made a stink in some liberal subreddit and the white knights of liberalism strode out en masse.

      • March 25, 2014 at 4:39 pm
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        I noticed it happening a lot in the last 10 days or so. I thought the same thing. Trolls.

        • March 25, 2014 at 6:07 pm
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          Been going on a lot longer then ten day or so. Soon as the ACA came to be, instead of pooling our resources for whats important in day to day operations, this has turned the industry into an us against them mentality. I’m all right and your all wrong way of life.

      • March 26, 2014 at 9:37 am
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        • March 26, 2014 at 6:18 pm
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          I hope they didn’t see your “I voted for obama” bumper sticker. You may have just lost the sale.

          • March 27, 2014 at 8:48 am
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          • March 27, 2014 at 4:07 pm
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            Libby,

            Right, because faith based organizations that cater to the “least of us”(whatever that means)are NEVER conservative organizations…

          • March 28, 2014 at 9:15 am
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            At last, we agree on something.

          • April 2, 2014 at 6:04 pm
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            Libby, and you would be wrong. Please provide us with a list of faith based Democratic organizations that cater to the least of us. The only thing the Democrats have going for them is government, government, government and they do a poor job at it.

          • April 4, 2014 at 1:27 pm
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            Agent – please provide me a list of “stick it up your ass”.

  • March 25, 2014 at 3:32 pm
    Destro says:
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    It looks like Libby and CaptainPlanet had their shock troops come in and spam-downvote everybody who has literally anything to say that doesn’t showcase Obamacare, liberals, et al in a positive light.

    • March 25, 2014 at 3:47 pm
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      Or the two of them are working on a work comp claim by furiously clicking on the dislike button – but isn’t that the liberal mantra? Vote early and vote often!

      • March 25, 2014 at 5:32 pm
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        Bob, we know that is the mantra of liberal Democrats to vote early and often. Several have been convicted of it recently. Not one Republican has ever been charged with voter fraud. If I were to name some dislikers on this forum, Libby, Planet, Boogereater, Celtica & Ron would be at the top of the list. I am generally the least liked of the Conservative side and they hate me, but the feeling is mutual.

        • March 26, 2014 at 8:19 am
          Destro says:
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          I’ve only recently joined in on the conversation although I feel like I’m a solid contender for usurpation of your titles of least liked of the conservative side. Particularly with Libby and Captain Planet.

          • March 26, 2014 at 9:34 am
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            Finally. You said something valid, Destro.

          • March 26, 2014 at 11:50 am
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            Destro, Just avoid the insults. Makes your points more valid. No real point in getting nasty.

          • April 2, 2014 at 6:01 pm
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            Destro, you will find that the more articles you post on and promote the Conservative ideas, the more you will be attacked by the leftists on this site. Take it from me, they don’t like Conservatives or any Conservative ideas or solutions to the vexing problems of this country. It usually quickly goes into a personal attack since they have no positive ideas to offset ours. Consider some of the posts I have from Boogereater, 102 and Planet, not to mention the now infamous Libby.

        • March 27, 2014 at 7:52 am
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          Agent,

          You said, “Several have been convicted of it recently.” Please cite your source(s). Do not regurgitate the articles Always cited previously. There was only one conviction mentioned, not several.

          Did you say, “Not one Republican has ever been charged with voter fraud.”?

          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/05/former-indiana-secretary-state-charlie-white-calls-voter-fraud-verdict-travesty/

          Not just charged, but CONVICTED!!!!!!!!!!

          I do not hate or even dislike you. I do not know you well enough to make an informed decision about how I really feel about you.

          In addition, I rarely dislike any of your comments. If I do dislike it, you will see a reply from me. Besides, why do you focus so much on how many like or dislike your comments? How insecure are you?

          • April 3, 2014 at 4:30 pm
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            Hey Ron, you keep wanting proof of voter fraud. You should go on Townhall.com today and read about the widespread voter fraud in NC as a result of an audit done of voter rolls. Numerous dead people voting, people voting in more than one state and it is a large number. You are an idiot thinking this has not been going on with elections and it having an impact on how elections come out.

        • March 27, 2014 at 4:42 pm
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          Agreed

          • March 27, 2014 at 4:56 pm
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            that “agreed” was meant for FFA’s comment above.

            The issue with the like/dislike is that when you have an organic vote of say 9+/2- (generally meaning a well liked or accepted comment) and then you have some kind of concerted effort to spam-vote those comments negative it hides the comments and distorts the reality of the discourse.

          • March 28, 2014 at 7:54 am
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            Destro,

            You do realize that if you click on the “Click here to see” link, you can still view the comment, right? I know it takes a little more work. But, then again, you appear to be a rightie who wants does not want to put effort into gaining full information.

          • March 28, 2014 at 9:18 am
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            Destro – my comments are routinely censored on here. That seems to be OK, but when someone does it to you guys you cry foul. Put your big boy panties on and quit crying like a little girl.

  • March 25, 2014 at 6:00 pm
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    You got that right Agent. Although there was a very dismal turn out in Chicago last week at the polls, go figure. All the dislikes only prove how distressed they all are in knowing that their “cure all” ACA is a bigger disaster than any one could have imagined. I guess Pelosi should have read it before she and all the other Democrats passed it. LOL!!

    • March 26, 2014 at 12:57 pm
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      Always, they just delayed the sign up once again since they can’t get their numbers. When will they just extend it to the rest of the year? They are up to 31 changes/delays now. I just can’t figure out how something that is as easy as going on Amazon.com can be so hard for people to figure out. Could it be that it is a Progressive nightmare of biblical proportions?

      • March 26, 2014 at 1:45 pm
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        Any word on what date he extended it to?

        • March 26, 2014 at 4:15 pm
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          Isn’t 4-15 the tax day? I thought I heard it was through April, but I could be wrong about that. This is going to give the wonderful IRS trouble on the subsidies etc and how to apply the fines, when someone signs up etc. They will probably cherry pick returns of Conservatives since that is how they operate. You may even get audited again FFA. Won’t that be fun?

          • March 27, 2014 at 5:46 pm
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            My god, the absolute boondoggle this is going to create for the IRS is going to be insane. And you’re absolutely right about cherry-picking conservatives. Maybe they’ll instead target liberals as an offsetting penalties type play (highly unlikely though).

          • March 28, 2014 at 9:20 am
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            Last I remember, you do not declare your political affiliation on your 1040.

        • April 4, 2014 at 9:53 am
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          FFA, Blue Cross just announced that 15-20% of enrollees into their system have not paid their premiums. If that holds true with other carriers, over one million have not completed the enrollment process and do not have insurance. I guess that puts a little damper on the Obama victory dance. I hope your lady that had the C-section had paid her premium.

          • April 4, 2014 at 10:32 am
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            She did pay it when I pushed the ap in. However, govt did not transfer the money over and she had to pay an additional month. As far as I can tell, BCBS never got that first month from the govt.

            I wonder how many of them 15 – 20% paid in govt site and govt are just holding the premium.

          • April 4, 2014 at 4:02 pm
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            So what you are saying FFA that the government has a big pile of checks on bureaucrats desks and never transferred to the carriers. Can they be any more inefficient? Can’t build a website that works, can’t handle the payment of premiums, can’t honor policies they supposedly put in force. I had a call today from a lady trying to get coverage since her policy had been cancelled. She promptly got sticker shock since they didn’t qualify for a subsidy. She and husband are in their mid fifties. I won’t tell you what she told me on the phone, but your term for it is very mild by comparison.

  • March 25, 2014 at 6:10 pm
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    Just got off the phone with a commercial client of mine. She filled out a Shop Application in November and never heard back. Her employees have been calling, getting quotes on the individual plans.
    Today, she called the 800 number. The navigator told her that the application was approved and she did not respond to the coverage offer.

    Her first question was about the status of the Shop Program which OBama delayed. The navigator told her it was viable and ready to roll.
    I guess they got good training.

  • March 26, 2014 at 10:36 am
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    Totally off topic:

    Has anyone seen a post from bob (from Washington) in the past week?

    • March 26, 2014 at 11:49 am
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      Uh O…..

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        Yeah, uh oh is right.

        • April 2, 2014 at 4:09 pm
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          KY, Bob picks the articles he wants to post to. Go to one of the myriad of others and he is there. So far Obama has not ordered him to post on every single article by IJ.

    • March 26, 2014 at 4:17 pm
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      Do you miss him KYjw? Were you preparing an ambush for him? Bob picks his forums to weigh in. Usually, it is when Ron starts spouting off and he has to put Ron in his place.

      • March 26, 2014 at 4:26 pm
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        • March 26, 2014 at 7:23 pm
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          Libby, agent has always stood toe to toe. That is one thing you two have in common. I know your both there. Its just a matter of time before you show up.

        • April 2, 2014 at 4:11 pm
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          Libby, you have been known to ambust KY before if she has any semblance of understanding a Conservative position. You just can’t stand it if she doesn’t agree 100% with you all the time.

          • April 3, 2014 at 2:26 pm
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            If telling her ONCE that I was disappointed in her is ambushing, then yeah, I guess I did.

      • March 27, 2014 at 8:13 am
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        Paranoid much?

        Actually, I am concerned. He had a rough time not too long ago and I just worried that something else had gone wrong. That’s why I asked if anyone had seen him post on other articles, since it’s possible I just didn’t read the same articles.

  • March 26, 2014 at 11:02 am
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    Nope.

    • March 26, 2014 at 1:30 pm
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      He usually pops in around the end of the week, but I don’t remember seeing anything from him last week. I was hoping I just missed him because I didn’t have much time to lurk last week.

      • March 26, 2014 at 2:13 pm
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        He’ll be around.

  • March 26, 2014 at 12:01 pm
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    From the news, Obama had been at the G 7 summit. All I could think of is that it must have been nice for him to put a face to the voice he has been listening to…

    I’ve never been much of a college sports fan. So I did educate myself on the March Madness brackets. It starts with 84 then drops to 42 and so on down the line. Reminded me of OBamas Approval Rating.

    • March 26, 2014 at 1:00 pm
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      Has he already kicked Putin out of the G-8 now or has he threatened to sign him up for Obamacare?

      • March 26, 2014 at 1:21 pm
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        Russia is out. I am sure that will teach him a lesson. Getting kicked out may be enough. I cant support torturing the guy with ofnbama care. May be worse then water boarding him.

        Personally, I just dont understand why we care about that situation. Who here thinks we should stick our nose into another Civil War?

        • March 26, 2014 at 4:25 pm
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          FFA, If you remember history, Neville Chamberlain, Great Britain Prime Minister approved a deal (appeasement) with Hitler on Austria & Sudetenland when Hitler decided to do some annexing. How did that turn out for Europe and the world? Europe needs to man up and present a united front to Putin or they could all be annexed just like the satellites they were during the cold war. If Obama really wanted to hit Putin in the wallet, just make natural gas available from the US instead of Europe depending on Russian natural gas. We are the world leader in natural gas now and have an almost inexhaustible supply of it. It might also help us on the Balance of Payments deficit we have with Europe as well.

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:27 pm
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          • March 26, 2014 at 7:25 pm
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            Not on a Malaysian Air Plane…

          • March 27, 2014 at 5:59 pm
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            As much as I’d like to slur Obama on the CCCP2.0 situation, it really is on Europe to stand up and be the ones that champion the situation. I honestly think that WWIII is just around the corner. If you look at the US national debt, the only times it sharply spiked(as it currently is) has been during the Civil War, WWI, The Great Depression, and World WarII.

            And between Russia aggressively injecting themselves into Ukraine and Iran getting closer to the possibility of creating a nuclear weapon it seems like that could be a very real possibility within the next 5-10 years.

            I’m not even worried about Iran using a nuke, but more worried about “losing track” of one and it getting into the hands of neighboring nation’s extremist groups.

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          • April 2, 2014 at 4:15 pm
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            Libby, are you that uninformed? Ever heard of LPG. Tankers can hold that as well and the US has been importing it for years until recently.

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            That’s why I asked the question, Agent. I didn’t know the answer. Now I do. Thanks for being so nice about it.

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  • March 31, 2014 at 10:27 am
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    Destro says: “It looks like Libby and CaptainPlanet had their shock troops come in and spam-downvote everybody who has literally anything to say that doesn’t showcase Obamacare, liberals, et al in a positive light.”

    It may be even more nefarious…

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2011/03/18/u-s-government-writes-software-to-enable-squads-of-propaganda-comment-trolls/

    • March 31, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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      • April 2, 2014 at 4:17 pm
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        Gee, I wonder how you get all those thumb downs Libby! We know how popular your rants are on this site.

        • April 3, 2014 at 2:23 pm
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          Funny, coming from the same person that accuses me of rigging the votes in my favor. Make up your mind.

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  • April 7, 2014 at 1:23 pm
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    One of the Sunday Morn news shows were reporting only 800,000 previously uninsured signed up.

    • April 7, 2014 at 5:30 pm
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      And Blue Cross admitted that up to 20% of the enrollees actually paid a premium. I agree that it is a relatively low number of previously uninsured actually signed up and how many of those paid? Most were the ones who lost their coverage under the now famous edict or the PreX crowd that had Pool coverage that was also cancelled. They were certainly desperate to get anything they could. Now, reality is setting in. Next up is the Small Groups that will have their rates doubled and decide to throw their employees to the exchanges.



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