Supreme Court Justices Appear Split Over Contraception Benefit

By Greg Stohr and Sophia Pearson | March 26, 2014
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  • March 26, 2014 at 12:28 pm
    Connie says:
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    If I’m an employer, why should someone else’s reproductive system be simultaneously 0% my business and 100% my financial responsibility?

    • March 26, 2014 at 1:40 pm
      Libby says:
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      Because the law says so. You can’t disobey a law because you don’t like it. You have to fight to change it.

      • March 26, 2014 at 1:54 pm
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        You should tell Obama.

      • March 26, 2014 at 2:05 pm
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        The law as it is written states that only people that have State Exchanges set up are eligible for Subsidy.
        The Govt has ignored that. Why can they ignore the law as they wrote it and not me?
        What kind of leadership do we have when they ignore the law they wrote themselves and then enforce on you and I?

        • March 26, 2014 at 2:45 pm
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          Here we are 4 years into this and still arguing over every provision of this law. Perhaps our legislators should have read it before they voted on it. Nothing good comes out of a law that was passed in a thoroughly partisan way. Nothing good comes out of a law where votes had to be bought or coerced/threatened in order to get it passed. Shame on Congress and shame on our fearless leader ramming this down the throat of the American People. I hope they pay the ultimate rejection in November. The country has never been this divided before.

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:40 pm
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            Agent, you say “the country has never been this divided before”.

            Uhhh . . . Ever heard of the civil war?

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:41 pm
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            That’s why we need to have a gun ban. Cuz the South’s gonna do it again!

          • March 26, 2014 at 5:18 pm
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            @Libby
            Huh? The south’s gonna do it again? Read your history. 7 States voted for secession. South Carolina then requested that the then US Army leave Charleston. They refused, and bottle necked the Harbor by fortifying their position in Ft Sumpter.

            Sounds a bit similar to current events doesn’t it?

            Would happen again too, if we Southerners do as you ask (again and again and again) and vote for secession.
            Truth is you’d attack, legal or not, when you ran out of oil…but I’m sure the yankee liberal revisionists would soon blame it on the south for stealing their oil in the 1st place, right?

          • March 27, 2014 at 8:52 am
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            InsGuy:

            Huh? I was referring to the Charlie Daniels song. I doubt you’re from the south if you didn’t know that. But I’m sure your a rightie because you have no sense of humor.

          • March 31, 2014 at 1:33 pm
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            No Libby, it’s just that your sense of humor sucks out loud.

          • March 31, 2014 at 1:38 pm
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            At least I have one!

      • March 26, 2014 at 3:06 pm
        Original Bob says:
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        One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.

        Martin Luther King, Jr.

        • March 26, 2014 at 3:21 pm
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          • March 26, 2014 at 3:26 pm
            DW says:
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            No one is saying that they can’t go out and buy birth control. It isn’t a requirement of their employment. They simply are saying that they shouldn’t be forced to pay for something that they find morally wrong.

            Libby, you are the first to jump down someone’s throat for infringing on your rights; yet you are the first to criticize those who stand up for theirs if they happen to disagree with you.

          • March 26, 2014 at 3:50 pm
            Libby says:
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            Where did I criticize you? Just because I debate your points and provide counterpoints, that doesn’t constitute criticism.

            Unless you’re talking about Agent, and then yes, I will choose any opportunity to criticize him.

            And as far as a requirement of their employment, getting pregnant and having a baby isn’t an employment requirement. Why aren’t you up in arms about providing that coverage? Just what illness/disease is related to an employment requirement at all?

            I don’t think employers should have to provide ANY health coverage. I think it should be provided to all Americans as part of their citizenship. We all have the right to be free from illness, to pursue happiness without pain, and the liberty not to have to worry about filing bankruptcy in case we get sick.

          • March 27, 2014 at 1:33 pm
            DW says:
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            That is laughable. We do not have the right to be free from illness. You do have the right to the pursuit of happiness – which is much different than the right to happiness. The sense of entitlement needs to end. BUT regardless of that argument, what does BIRTH CONTROL payment have to do with your “right to be free from illness, to pursue happiness without pain, and the liberty not to have to worry about filing bankruptcy in case we get sick”? Nothing. The government needs to stay out of our lives and our personal choices.

          • March 27, 2014 at 2:17 pm
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            Who’s jumping down whose throat now?

          • March 27, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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            And I happen to believe that access to healthcare IS an inalienable right. You are free to disagree.

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:44 pm
            DW says:
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            No one is denying access to healthcare. You have the right to healthcare. You also have the right to pay for it. The government shouldn’t be in my personal business – which my health and well-being are.

            Hobby Lobby isn’t saying that their employees cannot use birth control or that they cannot have an abortion or any other restriction on their personal rights. They are simply requesting that they not be forced to pay for something that they do not believe is right.

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:53 pm
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            I understand the issue, DW. I’m not an idiot. Unfortunately, that is not what the LAW says. Don’t like it? Change the law.

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:58 pm
            DW says:
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            Change the Law = Go before the Supreme Court which is what HL is doing…

          • March 28, 2014 at 9:24 am
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            Yup. And they’re going to lose.

      • March 30, 2014 at 8:39 am
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        “You can’t disobey a law because you don’t like it.”

        So I’m assuming you’ve never broken a single law, driven over the speed limit, etc.

        • March 31, 2014 at 10:30 am
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          There is a hippocratic oath that insurance agents take regarding the speed limit. Breaking the speed limit is like a cop that doesn’t like doughnuts.

        • March 31, 2014 at 11:03 am
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          Yes and I’ve gotten a ticket for it, too. Disobey the law at your own peril and suffer the consequences, Hobby Lobby.

          Big boy pants!

    • March 26, 2014 at 2:01 pm
      UW27 says:
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      Employee health issues are NEVER any of the employer’s business. We don’t know if these employers are paying 100% or if employees pay a share. Not to mention, these opposed medical treatments are VERY OFTEN used to treat medical conditions, not just for reproductive reasons. If the final ruling is that employers can opt out of covering certain female medical costs, then I would expect the very same employers to not cover Viagra or other non-medically necessary male products. What happened to the separation of church and state? And since when are laws meant to only be followed when our “beliefs” don’t conflict with them?

      • March 27, 2014 at 2:53 pm
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        Viagra has nothing to do with the issue before the Court. Nor, for that matter, does this have to do with MOST forms of birth control. Most people don’t realize that Hobby Lobby is ALREADY providing MOST forms of birth control to their employees; they are objecting to exactly FOUR kinds of birth control, such as the “morning after” pill. People seem to think Hobby Lobby is against providing ALL forms of birth control, and they aren’t. And since when do religious people have to abandon their religious principles just because they are running a business? You can’t compartmentalize your life like that. Also, “separation of church and state” has nothing to do with this issue (most people don’t even understand what that phrase MEANS), but “prohibiting the free exercise of” religious principles and beliefs definitely does. Or at least, that is what the Court is being asked to determine.

        • March 27, 2014 at 3:25 pm
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          They are free to exercise their religious principles, but not mine and not their employees. Providing the coverage is in no way forcing them to use it. If their employees are of the same belief, they will not use it either. But some of their employees may not be of the same belief and, for them, it should be available. Because that’s what the law says.

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:46 pm
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            It is available to them. Just not covered by their insurance. The law is wrong and that is why they have asked the Supreme Court to rule on it.

            What will be interesting is if the Court rules against HL, what HL will do.

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:54 pm
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            I agree. My guess? They’ll provide it and shut the hell up about it.

  • March 26, 2014 at 1:33 pm
    Jessie says:
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    It seems that you’re making it your business if you neglect that facet of an individual’s medical coverage.

    • March 26, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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      I objected by dropping my group. Not paying anything towards it any more.

      • March 26, 2014 at 3:22 pm
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        But you got a sweet deal on the exchange, didn’t you FFA?

        • March 26, 2014 at 4:14 pm
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          Short Term, yes I am better off. Long term…. Wait and see.

          The net effect of the lost income, I’ve been screwed. Would have rather had the income so I could pay the higher premiums.

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:28 pm
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            Do you break even?

          • March 26, 2014 at 5:22 pm
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            No Way…. Lost revenuse. Marketing Expense. There is no way they can hold the premiums based on my agencies activity. Now its coming out that people that live instates that do not state exchanges set up are not eligible for subsidy. Doc record trans fees.

            i was better off paying higher premiums with higher ded – the way it was before this a hole screwed all of us. Wait for the tax increase to come along to cover the cost.

            Start factoring in opportunity cost and all. I am f’ed.

          • March 27, 2014 at 8:55 am
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            FFA said:

            “Now its coming out that people that live instates that do not state exchanges set up are not eligible for subsidy.”

            That is only an allegation. It hasn’t been decided in court yet. You’re getting way ahead of yourself.

        • March 26, 2014 at 7:03 pm
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          BTW, No Exchange. Not eligible for subsidy. Made too much. Besides, I am in IL. Il didnt set up state exchange so no one in Il is eligible for subsidy according to the way the law is written.

          • March 27, 2014 at 8:55 am
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            That has not been decided yet, FFA. Hold your horses.

          • March 27, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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            Thats the way it is written.
            I did not get subsidy. Feds say I cant claim my gr kids even though I support them.

          • March 27, 2014 at 12:49 pm
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            You make too much money for a subsidy, FFA.

          • March 27, 2014 at 12:55 pm
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            Apparently. I feed, cloth and house 7 people full time and throw three more in part time. I make good money, but I am am always broke because the job market sucks. Liar in DC and Liar in Springfield have killed any jobs that may be around.

    • March 26, 2014 at 6:19 pm
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      No, the employee is making it my business if she demands that I provide birth control as part of her benefits package, AFTER telling me that her reproductive system is “none of my business.” Can’t have it both ways. Now, as an employer, I would provide birth control (except I agree with Hobby Lobby and the Mennonite business that is also part of this case that “morning after” pills violate my conscience), but I don’t think I should be FORCED to provide it by the government. The benefits I as an employer provide should be up to me, not mandated by the government.

      • March 26, 2014 at 6:54 pm
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        Uh, no. The employee didn’t demand anything. The government set standards for coverage, and employers need to meet the requirements. I don’t like all of the aspects of Workers Compensation coverage and benefits, but I still have to provide it.

        I would agree that you shouldn’t be forced to provide any health coverage, but once you are required to provide the coverage you have to meet certain standards; personal beliefs aside.

        • March 27, 2014 at 8:56 am
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          Well said, Alan.

        • March 27, 2014 at 2:55 pm
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          Alan said, “I would agree that you shouldn’t be forced to provide any health coverage, but once you are required to provide the coverage you have to meet certain standards; personal beliefs aside.”

          And that’s why Hobby Lobby and the Mennonite business are appealing to the Supreme Court, isn’t it? So that “personal beliefs” don’t HAVE to be “set aside.”

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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            For-profit corporations don’t have beliefs. Individuals do.

          • March 28, 2014 at 2:51 pm
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            Individuals OWN and RUN for-profit corporations. Their rights don’t evaporate just because of the form their business takes.

          • March 28, 2014 at 3:17 pm
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            Yes they do.

        • March 28, 2014 at 5:12 pm
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          If your Constitutional rights can disappear just based on what kind of business you own, that’s not the United States of America I grew up in! Good grief!

      • March 27, 2014 at 1:33 pm
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        I wonder if Hobby Lobby is going to truly take a stance against forced abortion and stop peddling all of that crap made in China in their stores.

        • March 27, 2014 at 6:16 pm
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          Apparently, Hobby Lobby supports abortion if it’s done in China.

  • March 26, 2014 at 1:40 pm
    Libby says:
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    “You are making a choice to live by the rules that govern you and your competitors in the commercial sphere,” he said.”

    That should end the debate right there.

  • March 26, 2014 at 1:40 pm
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    So, its all gonna come down to Kennedy…

    • March 26, 2014 at 1:41 pm
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      Yep. And there is no predicting which way he will go.

  • March 26, 2014 at 1:50 pm
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    Connie – someone’s reproductive rights are none of your business. An individual’s reproductive rights aren’t your financial responsibility; you are merely providing health insurance with certain minimum requirements as respects to birth control and reproductive rights. I can’t not pay my taxes (or a portion of them) just because I don’t agree with the government and how they spend my tax dollars. I can’t pick and choose what I want to fund. It doesn’t work that way.

    It is my belief that there should be zero exceptions. And churches should be taxed like the corporations they really are.

  • March 26, 2014 at 2:23 pm
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    The employees of Hobby Lobby work there for a wage and benefits, not to attend church. I heard the Green family said they would close their business if the courts rule against them. How in the world will he be able to maintain his private jets, mansions and chateau in France?

    BTW, male employees at Hobby Lobby can get Viagra under their Rx plan…

    • March 26, 2014 at 2:58 pm
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      Wow, that’s real Christian of them. They’d rather close the doors and put 15,000 people out of work than comply with the law. Jesus would be proud.

      • March 26, 2014 at 3:07 pm
        Agent says:
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        They are not closing jack Libby. Shut your Progressive atheist mouth.

        • March 26, 2014 at 3:28 pm
          Libby says:
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          “By being required to make a choice between sacrificing our faith or paying millions of dollars in fines, we essentially must choose which poison pill to swallow,” said David Green, Hobby Lobby CEO and founder. “We simply cannot abandon our religious beliefs to comply with this mandate.”

          Straight from the horses mouth. Since I’m sure he’s not going to pay the fines, he’ll go out of business.

          Now shut your regressive, teajadist, evangelical pie hole.

          • March 26, 2014 at 6:45 pm
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            …and how Christian of them to combine religion with business. Wasn’t Jesus against that sort of thing? By mixing faith and business they are already in violation of Christian tenets. Therefore, they have no legitimate claim of sticking to their religious beliefs.

          • March 26, 2014 at 6:50 pm
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            Shirley, since when was Jesus against business? Seems to me if I remember right that he and Joseph, his stepfather, were carpenters. They probably had a carpentry shop in Nazareth. Jesus did overturn the tables of the moneychangers in the Temple for two reasons: 1) they were running a business on sacred ground in the Temple, which was supposed to be a house of prayer, and 2) they were cheating their customers while they were at it. Apples and oranges.

          • March 27, 2014 at 2:11 pm
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            Please pray tell why Hobby Lobby is still building stores if they intend to go out of business over this issue. My contractor account is enroute to build yet another one. These people aren’t stupid and they aren’t bad business people. Shut your jihadist Prgressive mouth about things you don’t know.

          • March 27, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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            Then they will have to suck it up and comply with the law, Agent.

            Did you really just call me a jihadist? You’re too funny! LOL!!!

          • March 27, 2014 at 6:20 pm
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            Connie, I’m not saying that Jesus was supposedly against business; he was supposedly against MIXING business with faith or exploiting faith by using it for business – sacrilege. Didn’t he supposedly go ape-shht in the temple because the money-changers were conducting business there?

          • March 27, 2014 at 6:49 pm
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            Shirley, no, Jesus wasn’t against mixing business and faith. Jesus went ballistic (a better word) against the moneychangers for conducting business in the Temple itself, which was to be used for prayer and worship, AND for cheating the people they were doing business with, but that is NOT the same thing as taking the faith and principles that one learns in the Temple (church, whatever place of worship) and using that faith and principles to govern ALL aspects of one’s daily life, including how one runs one’s business. You don’t leave your faith at the door of your church the minute you leave church. Again, apples and oranges. And it’s not “exploiting” your faith if you allow your faith to influence how you run your business.

          • March 31, 2014 at 12:43 pm
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            We should look at Jesus’ stock portfolio. Bet he wasn’t as capitalist as Pat Robertson would have you believe.

      • March 26, 2014 at 3:15 pm
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        If they do close, someone else will scoop up their market share. employment will break even. They can move to France and live comfortable for ever.

        Meanwhile, the works will find new jobs with the competitors that scoop up the market share and end up working on Sundays. This would diminish their qualily of life which is what OBama intended.

        • March 26, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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          Yes, Obama certainly set out to wreck everyones life, FFA. And if that happens, it is not Obama’s fault, but the Green family’s fault.

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:22 pm
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            Actually Libby, I do believe that. no joking around. I think he is out to destroy quality of life for everyone.

            he has re-lit the War on Women, he has re-lit Class War fare. He has reestablished racial issues. He lives high and mighty while people I know and care about struggle to survive. I watch person after person lose their jib and have their hours cut with Health Law being cited as the reason. He takes expensive vacations in Hawaii on my dime. He send his wife and lids to China for a nice Vacation. He send money to Egypt. He is sending money to the Ukraine. He send 90mill to Michelles buddy in Canada and we get shit for it. He Lies. He Lies. He lies. did I mention he is a liar? All his politics stinks of an Il Politician.

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:31 pm
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            OK. I get it FFA. You don’t like him.

            But I don’t know why he would intentionally set out to wreck people’s lives. For what motive? To be remembered as the worst human being in history, let alone the worst President? Who would do that? Especially one that has as big an ego as you say he does.

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:42 pm
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            I dont know what motivates him to destroy honest hard working peoples lives. I dont know why he set out to destroy the Job Market. I dont know what his end game is. I didnt know what Blago end game was either.

            It is impossible for him to not know the damage he has done to the country, but yet he keeps on dong it. A Narcissist perhaps? His loyalty to the Muslum Brother Hood? Maybe he is a foot solder for the Taliban? AlQuida? If he has nothing to hide, why does he hide behind executive privilege? Is Blago innocent? Does oBama have the info that would prove him to be innocent? why does he cheat cook County out of Property Tax Money?
            How can someone with a conscious stand in front of God and Country and tell the lies he did? Bad Jeans?

            Maybe he is just an Ego Maniac.

          • March 26, 2014 at 4:49 pm
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            OMG, FFA. An Al Qaeda foot soldier? Really?

            And lest you forget, he inherited this econmic mess. It was not of his own making. I know you want to give Bush a free pass, but he handed the country over to Obama in much worse shape than it is right now.

            I want to know what you think he could have done (other than not pass the ACA) that could have helped recover the economy faster.

            Then explain to me how he could have gotten it done when the House and Senate were at each other’s throats.

          • March 26, 2014 at 5:32 pm
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            I truly believe that the pin heads in Congress would united to bring Jobs back home.

            As I stated, I dont know his end game. He an ill Politician. They all have something to hide. They all have a back room agenda based on lies they tell common folk.

            I dont give any one a pass. I just dont look back over my shoulder. I need to move forward. Pissing and moaning about Bush, Clinton, Reagon, Kennedy, Bush, Peanut Farmer – Pointless. They are done. They are over with. ofnbama – 5 years of arguing about health care. A bill of goods sold on lies and deceit.

          • March 27, 2014 at 9:06 am
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            “Pissing and moaning about Bush, Clinton, Reagon, Kennedy, Bush, Peanut Farmer – Pointless.”

            Pissing and moaning about Obama is also pointless.

          • March 27, 2014 at 12:57 pm
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            Buck Stops with him Libby. If bush were currently in Charge, I would be bashing on him.

          • March 27, 2014 at 2:20 pm
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            That’s sad, FFA. You fail to hold the proper person accountable. Did you spank one of your kids for something the other one did? Or did you just spank them all?

        • March 26, 2014 at 4:02 pm
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          FFA, I agree with you except if they move to France, they will pay a 70% tax on the rich. They may want to pick somewhere with a better record on taxation. Switzerland might be nice.

        • March 27, 2014 at 8:36 am
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          Didn’t France approve gay marriage? They also have socialist health care. Why on earth would the Hobby Lobby owners move there?

          • March 27, 2014 at 9:52 am
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            KYjw, I think FFA was thinking about the wine and the cheese, but I think the Green’s don’t drink. There is very little to like about France. Business & money are leaving in droves after they elected the Socialist President.

          • March 27, 2014 at 1:53 pm
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            Agent, your 2/3 correct. Add in the French Maids…

    • March 31, 2014 at 2:25 pm
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      In all fairness to Hobby Lobby, they probably recruited many of their employees from the large mega churches in the Bible Belt. Hobby Lobby figures they can continue replace those low lying fruit and “sinning” employees with new drones the following Sunday. After these employees tithe nearly their entire paychecks away, (to a snake oil salesman possessing nice suits, cars, homes, boats, and such) they will do anything and everything they can to get more hours for minimum wage. This is not an issue for the courts as much as it is an issue that adults would have to rely on this type of job to support themselves and their family.

      • March 31, 2014 at 2:38 pm
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        After these employees tithe nearly their entire paychecks away, they’ll go down to Hobby Lobby for some cheap crafts because they can’t afford to go out to dinner or to a movie.

        • March 31, 2014 at 5:00 pm
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          Dinner, dancin’, and talkin’ pictures are the Devil, Libby!!! the Devil!!!

  • March 26, 2014 at 3:19 pm
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    I think that the supremem court will decide that Hobby Lobby can opt out and pay the $2,000 per employee fine. Otherwise, what if the owners are Christian Science practitioners who have different beliefs on medical care or any other religion which has non science based arguements? Allowing this arguement to win opens up a really bad can O worms.

    For our purpose of discussion, I am splitting science based medicine vs. religious based medicine…

    • March 26, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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      And the ones who suffer from that decision are the employees. I bet if you polled their employees, they would gladly pay for their birth control out of their own pockets than have to pay their own health insurance premiums. Hobby Lobby has made no secret that they are a Christian company. They are closed on Sundays and they even send out religious emails ::gasp:: It’s not like they are just grasping at straws. They actually believe this.

      • March 26, 2014 at 3:40 pm
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        Since when does that allow you to break the law? I believe I’m a better driver drunk than sober. I really, really believe it. It’s still against the law.

        If we allow Hobby Lobby to skirt the law using this farce of an excuse, where will it end? My Jewish employer will not pay for my upper GI because I eat meat with dairy? My Muslim employer will not pay for a liver transplant because I drink alcohol. My Mormon employer will not pay for my lung cancer treatment because I smoke cigarettes? My Scientologist employer will not pay for my mental illness treatment because it involves taking medication?

        Where does it end? It’s easy to get on the bandwagon when it’s something you believe in, but it you stop to think about the unintended consequences, you might reconsider.

        • March 26, 2014 at 5:49 pm
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          Would the powers that be ever make a Muslim eat pork? Force an Atheist to purchase a bible? No, I don’t think so nor would they ever write a law that would. And as DW said Hobby Lobby is a Christian business and all the employees who work there – guess what – know that in advance before they chose to work there. And Obama has changed this law now how many times? You can’t disobey a law? Libby, you must be kidding. Seriously, please tell Obama that you cannot single Christian non-profits at the IRS or have the NSA spy on the Associated Press. Aren’t there laws that are in place for just such a thing? Oh, that’s right – there’s not a smidgen of corruption at the IRS or any place else in this administration. Obama is a joke and nothing he says is creditable and his ratings are certainly showing that to be the truth. Not a smidgen of corruption – Lerner must seem to think so but she’s not talking.

          • March 26, 2014 at 6:19 pm
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            Obama said he would veto any bill that forced him to enforce the law. HMM! He seems to think he is a dictator now. The only law he wants enforced is his signature law that is so bad it reeks with corruption, bad mandates, expense and incompetence.

          • March 27, 2014 at 9:20 am
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            If, as you say, “all the employees who work there – guess what – know that in advance before they chose to work there” they will not be using that particular health benefit, so what’s the big deal?

            You can not, I repeat can not, force your own religious beliefs on your employees. Believe it or not, I had no idea HL was anything but a craft store before all this happened. But if I needed a job and that was the only place hiring, I would work there. That doesn’t mean they can dictate my personal life.

          • March 27, 2014 at 1:00 pm
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            Always Amazed says:
            Would the powers that be ever make a Muslim eat pork? Force an Atheist to purchase a bible?

            It would not surprise me if he did.

          • March 27, 2014 at 1:38 pm
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            Obama was raised as a Muslim before he “became” a Christian and I use that term very loosely. He gives billions of our tax money to the Muslim Brotherhood, a known terrorist group. He would defend Muslim if the winds of what ever he said should shift in that direction. We have a Muslim in office – make no mistake. Muslims view him as such and so do I. I’ve always thought of him as the anti-christ and he has yet to prove me wrong.

          • March 27, 2014 at 1:46 pm
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            Obama was raised as a Muslim before he “became” a Christian and I use that term very loosely. He gives billions of our tax money to the Muslim Brotherhood, a known terrorist group. He would defend Muslim if the winds of what ever he said should shift in that direction. We have a Muslim in office – make no mistake. I still believe Obama is the anti-christ and he has yet to prove me wrong.

          • March 28, 2014 at 9:42 am
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            You’ve been reading those chain e-mails again, haven’t you? Time to take off the tin-foil hat and read a book, Amazing.

          • March 31, 2014 at 8:07 am
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            Wow. That explains so much.

          • March 31, 2014 at 10:37 am
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            I’m so glad I’m not a born again evangelical, high school drop out, rascal scooter riding, overweight, neck tattooed, mouth breathing, booger eating, knuckle dragging Neanderthal, otherwise I would be shopping at Hobby Lobby

        • March 27, 2014 at 2:54 pm
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          Libby, since you continue to harp on the “law”, how is it ok for the government to continue to break this “law” that was passed by Congress and signed by the President? How is it this administration is picking and choosing what part of the law they will enforce? Obama has unilaterally changed the law over 30 times without the advice and consent of Congress. He uses his pen and phone to do it by Executive Order. Anyone who challenges the law in court are the bad guys and law breakers and Obama is the good guy for changing the law he signed. Please explain. Inquiring minds want to know.

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:31 pm
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            First of all, Obama has not made one change to the ACA by Executive Order. It is the IRS that has the authority to delay implementation of ANY law under certain circumstances. Maybe if you did some research before shooting off your mouth, you’d learn something.

            If Obama was breaking the law, Republicans would have had him locked up by now. Obviously no-one is breaking the law by delaying implementation of certain provisions. That is not “changing” it is delaying implementation and they are well within their rights to do it.

            Look it up and leave me alone.

          • March 27, 2014 at 4:02 pm
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            They why Libby, when the news reports changes – ABC, NBC, CBS, WGN – they always say the Obama Administration announced changes. Always. They never say the IRS.

          • March 28, 2014 at 9:48 am
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            Because the IRS, being part of the Legislative branch, is part of the Obama administration. Here is an excerpt from a news article announcing the delay of the business mandate last July:

            “On Tuesday, July 2, the Obama administration announced that it is delaying the requirement that businesses with more than 50 employees provide health insurance to their workers or pay a penalty. The delay extends to 2015. The announcement by the IRS comes after numerous complaints from businesses that the requirements were too complicated and difficult to implement in time.”

            Don’t you people ever read?

      • March 26, 2014 at 4:06 pm
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        They are also very fine people and have been highly successful. I have a contractor account that has built or remodeled a number of their stores in the past several years. He said he couldn’t have been treated better and never had to wait for his draw or his final payment when finished. They are a first class outfit despite what Libby says about them.

        • March 26, 2014 at 4:11 pm
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          When did I ever denegrate Hobby Lobby as a business? Oh, that’s right. NEVER.

          • March 26, 2014 at 5:24 pm
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            Why not give them a “Waiver” like they did for unions and other large businesses Libby? Problem solved with no Supreme Court fight or you arguing that they were wrong to challenge this “law”.

          • March 27, 2014 at 9:22 am
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            It seems you continue to have trouble with reading comprehension, Agent, so I will reiterate my position:

            First of all, the morning after pill does not induce an abortion. It prevents a pregnancy from happening. Perhaps these rock solid pro-lifers should learn a little bit about science.

            Second of all, a corporation is a corporation. I don’t care if it is closely held or publicly traded. Once you draw up the papers to incorporate, you have united into one united legal entity. A legal entity does not have “beliefs.” People have beliefs. You can not choose when you want to hide behind the corporate shield and when you don’t.

            Thirdly, this is a law. If we allow HL to skirt the law, who will be next? And for what reason? If they were a religious entity or even a not-for profit business, I might entertain it. But they aren’t. And as such, they are subject to the same rules every other for-profit corporation is subject to.

            Now, read real slowly with your lips moving and you just might be able to understand my position.

          • March 27, 2014 at 1:45 pm
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            I hate to be a stickler for facts but the morning after pill works in more than one way – one of which is not allowing an egg to implant, which means that a life was created and prevented and those silly prolifers believe that once and egg and a sperm join, a life is created. So it’s not quite so black and white as prochoicers argue.

          • March 27, 2014 at 2:22 pm
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            Well, nobody is forcing them to use the morning after pill, are they? They are forcing them to make it available if one of their employees CHOOSES to use it. Keep you nose out of our vaginas.

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:49 pm
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            When you run out of arguments, you use tasteless responses?

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:56 pm
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            What was tasteless? The fact that I said vagina? That is the proper terminology is it not? You must be really uptight.

          • March 27, 2014 at 4:02 pm
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            I don’t want to be involved in your vagina. I have zero interest in your vagina. I only care about my own vagina. Hobby Lobby has no interest in your vagina either. They simply are indicating that your vagina choosing to do things that they find morally wrong is your personal problem and they shouldn’t have to foot the bill for your irresponsible vagina.

          • March 28, 2014 at 9:50 am
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            I guess the court will decide whose business my vagina is. And I’ll bet cash money it won’t be Hobby Lobby.

          • March 31, 2014 at 10:05 am
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            is this what they mean by “Vagina Dialogues”

          • March 31, 2014 at 11:06 am
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            Monologues. But yes.

      • March 26, 2014 at 5:21 pm
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        They also own Mardel’s Christian bookstores and that is an equally successful operation.

        • March 27, 2014 at 9:24 am
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          So what? They won’t get an exemption either.

        • March 31, 2014 at 2:51 pm
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          I think I’m going to open an Adult Bookstore and call it “Schlobby the Knobby and Hobby”

      • March 27, 2014 at 8:46 am
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        Maybe the employees of Hobby Lobby are on the side of the owners.

        Except if this exception is allowed, that opens the door for other companies to claim an exception that may not be supported by the employees. A Christian Scientist owned business is an excellent example. Their religious beliefs are very strict. Could they refuse to pay for health insurance at all?

        If we have to have insurance to pay for health care (as opposed to socialist medicine), then the employer should be taken out of the mix. Pay that amount to the employee, all people should buy their own insurance (WITHOUT mandated minimum coverages) and those premiums should be tax deductible. Everyone wins.

        • March 27, 2014 at 9:26 am
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          Except the employer that doesn’t want to pay his employees for health insurance. And how much do you pay? A percentage of wages? That will result in wages being kept at all time lows. We need to take the employer out of the mix. And you know my other suggestion…

          • March 27, 2014 at 11:12 pm
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            I agree the employer needs to be taken out of the mix. No reason to go that route. As far as how much to pay, I’d say that’s negotiable between employer and employee. The only difference between what we have now and what I’m suggesting is that the employer no longer has an expense for health insurance. Otherwise, pay is based on market value / performance.

          • March 28, 2014 at 9:52 am
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            You know what will happen, though, KY jw. The employer will no longer pay for health insurance, pocket the money, and stick it to the employee. What are we going to do about it? Nothing. We need a job. Screwed again.

            If I’m going to pay taxes, I want it to go for something worthwhile, like healthcare. Not bombs or crop insurance or corporate welfare or foreign aid. How about aiding our own citizens for a change?

          • March 28, 2014 at 12:36 pm
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            Libby Says: The employer will no longer pay for health insurance, pocket the money, and stick it to the employee”

            Why? Because of OBAMA CARE. Before OBAMA Care, there was no discussion of this. Before OBAMA Care, you and agent may have even has some pleasant discussions.

    • March 26, 2014 at 3:31 pm
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      They’d rather die than part with any of their millions, Company gal. They’ll close up shop first. Or they’ll go about their business, abandon their “religious beliefs” and hope everyone forgets about it.

    • March 26, 2014 at 6:59 pm
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      They didn’t let Notre Dame opt out. why would they let Hobby Lobby?

      Its Obamas way or the high way. No one has a choice any more.

      • April 1, 2014 at 8:58 am
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        Because people don’t sniff glue at Notre Dame, at Hobby Lobby that’s all this is to do.

  • March 26, 2014 at 3:53 pm
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    We are talking about a corporation, true, but HL is a closely held, family company, not an Exxon or publicly traded corporation. The family adheres to deep religious convictions. Not one single employee is forced to work there, they ALL know what they are getting into. What HL are objecting to is more complex than not paying for contraceptives, but rather paying for abortion inducing drugs. Their rock solid pro-life beliefs require them to not do this. HL treat their employees very well, and I would venture to say the vast majority of them love working for the Green family. If their personal beliefs do not line up with HL they are free to seek employment elsewhere.

    • March 26, 2014 at 4:09 pm
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      First of all, the morning after pill does not induce an abortion. It prevents a pregnancy from happening. Perhaps these rock solid pro-lifers should learn a little bit about science.

      Second of all, a corporation is a corporation. I don’t care if it is closely held or publicly traded. Once you draw up the papers to incorporate, you have united into one united legal entity. A legal entity does not have “beliefs.” People have beliefs. You can not choose when you want to hide behind the corporate shield and when you don’t.

      Thirdly, this is a law. If we allow HL to skirt the law, who will be next? And for what reason? If they were a religious entity or even a not-for profit business, I might entertain it. But they aren’t. And as such, they are subject to the same rules every other for-profit corporation is subject to.

      • March 26, 2014 at 5:51 pm
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        Ah, life begins at conception.

        • March 27, 2014 at 9:27 am
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          Not if conception never happens.

          • March 27, 2014 at 10:28 am
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            Libby, better read up on your science. Conception happens prior to the embryo implants. Life begins at conception. Preventing implantation ends a life.

          • March 27, 2014 at 10:48 am
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            Conception = the process involves the fusion of an ovum with a sperm.

            If there is no fusion, there is no conception. Preventing it from happening is not ending a life, as there is no life to end.

          • March 27, 2014 at 10:49 am
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            Besides, I’m pro-choice so all your conception bs is just that to me. B.S.

          • March 31, 2014 at 9:08 am
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            Wrong, Conception begins when you and your lover are painting a chair or playing tennis and you just get that feeling. Then you pop a couple of Cialis and then the rest…can’t be shown on tv.

          • April 1, 2014 at 12:56 pm
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            Life begins at inception.

            Cue intense mind f@%k music.

            If my mind were a woman I would have been pregnant after that movie.

    • March 26, 2014 at 6:55 pm
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      Likewise, Karl, if the Greens’ personal beliefs do not line up with the laws of this country, they are free to seek residence elsewhere.

      • March 27, 2014 at 10:26 am
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        There’s that little God given right of religious freedom. This is not a right given to us by the government, it is a human right we are entitled to at birth.

        • March 27, 2014 at 10:50 am
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          There is also that God given right of freedom FROM religion. Don’t try to cram yours down my throat and I won’t cram mine down yours.

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:51 pm
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            Don’t shop there if their religious beliefs offend you. Don’t work there. You have the right to choose not to support them.

            They post it on the door on your way into their store. They are not hiding their religion. They are not cramming it down your throat as they in no one have threatened you by having beliefs.

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:58 pm
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            They’re certainly trying to cram it down their employee’s throats. And I DON’T shop there.

          • March 27, 2014 at 4:07 pm
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            Not paying for a pill is not cramming it down their throats.

            I suppose that since my employer’s insurance doesn’t cover breast implants, my company is discrimating against small-chested women…

          • March 28, 2014 at 9:54 am
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            Becoming pregnant is a definite medical issue. Getting bigger boobs isn’t. Please try to use an analogy that makes some sense.

          • March 28, 2014 at 10:40 am
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            Frankly, I think that using a silly analogy proves my point quite well. How about this then? My insurance doesn’t cover OTC drugs of any kind. Why should it have to cover this OTC drug? My company doesn’t pay for Tylenol because I have a headache. That’s a medical issue. I pay for the pill if I want to take it.

          • March 28, 2014 at 5:26 pm
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            DW Says: “I suppose that since my employer’s insurance doesn’t cover breast implants, my company is discrimating against small-chested women”

            Or are they discriminating against guys that like big boobs???

            I think he would have all kinds of support if he promised (and not lie about it) DD’s for all!

  • March 26, 2014 at 5:15 pm
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    To Everyone: Look what we’ve come to. In the past there was no problem with birth control – people took care of that in their own way. Now that it’s become a forced issue, it has become another divisive problem. This is what happens when government infringes on people’s private lives – especially when it involves a non-vetted law on which there was no debate nor any information about what it contained provided to those voting on it. It was passed by lawmakers who were essentially blindfolded when they cast their votes in the middle of the night. Is this the way we want to run our country from now on? Shoving bills in front of lawmakers without allowing them to have intelligent debates about the pros and cons in order to reach mutually acceptable content? If so, then Congress will just become window dressing for an emerging aristocracy or dictatorship in the administrative branch.

    • March 26, 2014 at 5:33 pm
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      Well said.

    • March 26, 2014 at 5:38 pm
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      Rusty, I think you are onto something with your comment. Any President who is unwilling to work with Congress on legislation and threatens and then does do unilateral changes to a law passed by Congress is acting as a Dictator. He proudly announced he has a phone and pen and will do as he sees fit. Of course when this law was introduced and before passage, he had Pelosi & Reid to carry his water to ram it through when they had majorities in both Houses. Even at that, both of them had to bribe, coerce, threaten loss of committee positions to get it through. Pelosi got up and waved her hands and said they had to pass it so we could see what was in it. Unfortunately for us, it gave off a terrible odor and now we are seeing the destructive effects of it. Recently, Obama said he would veto any bill requiring him to enforce the laws passed or in force. It appears he has a different idea of what a Presidents oath of office means.

    • March 26, 2014 at 6:51 pm
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      Birth control, as well as abortion, has been literally forced upon people in China. Did Hobby Lobby have any moral objections to buying items that were made in China? If the Green’s or their company bought anything that was made in China, they already support abortion, and therefore, have no legitimate argument now.

      • March 27, 2014 at 8:50 am
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        OH, good point. Interesting, too. I wonder if they even realize their hypocrisy?

      • April 1, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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        Whether they provide for abortion, or if the people they buy from provide for abortions is not the same. I suppose they shouldn’t hire people who are for abortions then right? Moral objections eh?

        Saying something is the same that isn’t the same in order to call someone a hypcorite is extremely condescending.

        • April 2, 2014 at 8:46 am
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          Because they are a for-profit company, they are free to purchase their goods from whomever they choose. They just can’t hide behind their religion to skirt the law.

          • April 2, 2014 at 12:23 pm
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            Libby,

            I’m sorry, law or not, it is not ok to force someone who owns a business to violate their religion.

            Have you read revelations? Do you see the similarity at all? I’m not much of a believer, but current things are starting to change my mind. Forcing people to sin is one of the things in there.

            The mass murdering of children would be acceptable according to it. There is only one form of mass murder of children that would ever occur in this world united: Abortion. I only bring that up not because of this birth control argument, but because recently you said to a pro lifer that you are ok with abortion and don’t care about their argument of conception anyway. Basically that you would kill the child at any point in the pregnancy. You better change that friend.

            You would do well to consider that.

            My wife has finally made me take some thought into religion. Before my dad died, for about 6 months I felt something. She saw it. I said about 2 months prior “I need to get things resolved with him and my sister, I’m running out of time. I don’t know how I know, but I know he’s going to die.”. Every day I felt it like it was told to me. I know I sound like a whack job, and that’s why I denied it for so long. We watched the movie (premonition I believe? The one with Sandra Bullock being shown her husband would die) together a month before he died, and for some reason I couldn’t let go of a phrase that was said in it, something like “every time that God has shown someone a glimpse of the future, and they have tried to change it, it has destroyed them”. So instead, I continued my push to make things good with my father. I invited him over for memorial day weekend, I bought tickets for a cruise in July, and I bought a book for my then unborn daughter that I showed him, knowing it was one of his favorites and said it would be her first book. He cried. One of the only times he did. I almost literally was telling him goodbye in many ways. This made my wife believe in God. I didn’t realize it until I told her that I didn’t know if I believed, and she asked how in the world I didn’t. My answer was I felt so alone, from loosing my dad, being cheated on, and a bunch of other crap. And she said maybe god was replacing things that I wasn’t noticing (Zoe was conceived while she was on the depo, and has no disorders).

            Just like I have been shown all these things, and she mentioned how I found my job (applied for a company with the same name as my dog, my dad told the story often) I have always had miracles happen in my life that you would never see normally. And I can tell you now: This law, is wrong. Abortion, in any form, is wrong. I know it in my blood. And you should too.

            But on a non religious tone: You can’t just make a law to make people do what you want, and say it’s ok because it’s a law, while you insult the corporations for not following it. It’s called bully Libby. That is what you are. Say the words “I am not allowed to force my way of life onto ANYONE” then apply that to corporations. And no, Libby, don’t be a child and then say that they are forcing their way of life on you. Not paying for your birth control is not the same as forcing you to not have sex. And I’m sick of you being such a child that you always say that. That them not paying for it is forcing you into a way of life, while you simultaneously debate against conservatives telling them that birth control won’t change people’s lifestyles on the conservative side of the aisle. You’re a hypocrite, a lost person, who needs to find God. I’m finally becoming religious again, after being afraid to do so. And I am not afraid to say it in your face Libby, especially after reading more of the bible recently, the passages where it says if your brother sins call it out. If they don’t listen bring another to lay the claim of sin. If they don’t listen bring a priest. If they still don’t listen, cast them out of your life like a tax collector. This is not the only place where it speaks of doing exactly that. While people like you say “don’t judge” the bible explicitly says not to be silent. When it says don’t judge, it means do not cast judgment, do not cast punishment.

            Do some soul searching. You need it. There are a lot of zealots out there. Let me guarantee you I am not one. I have rejected religion quite a bit. But I assume like me, somewhere inside, you know abortion is wrong. I am lucky in the fact that everyone around me is shocked at all that happens in my life. David, my actual religious brother said something to the degree of “I wish god acted in my life like he did yours…I really don’t know why you don’t believe Chris” on numerous occasions. I could go into so many things, and you wouldn’t believe it. I know, that what you need in your life is God. Go seek him.

          • April 2, 2014 at 12:56 pm
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            Bob:

            I have God in my life. It took me 39 years to find my faith, but I did and it means everything to me.

            Since when is offering birth control &/or abortion under a health insurance plan FORCING people to sin? Isn’t the real sin, according the bible, the fornication itself?

            I have a strong faith and have my beliefs. They do not include the bible. It is a book written by man.

            And in closing, if you slow down and start paying attention, you will find miracles happening every day. You are not the only one that has had these occurrences. When they happen, I say “That’s a God thing.” He is always there performing his miracles (even as small as a killer parking spot.) We just need to pay attention and be grateful.

  • March 26, 2014 at 5:56 pm
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    Just got screwed again.

    • March 26, 2014 at 6:13 pm
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      FFA, just today, our embecile in Chief in the Senate, the venerable Harry Reid said the reason for the latest delay in the sign up was because people just weren’t educated on the Internet. Hello! His boss said it was as easy as shopping with Amazon.com. In this internet world we are living in with everyone on their iphone, ipad, laptop, desktop, I think people are educated on the internet. They just don’t like signing up on this trash law when they have seen the premiums, deductibles, out of pocket, loss of doctors, hospitals and just don’t like it, particularly young people.

      • March 27, 2014 at 9:49 am
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        Embecile? I believe you mean imbecile.

        Just who is the imbecile here?

      • March 27, 2014 at 6:20 pm
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        Libby, when I catch you in a mistype, you call me mean spirited. You knew what I meant. Go home and beat up on your husband.

        • March 28, 2014 at 9:57 am
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          That wasn’t a “mistype” you imbecile. The “e” and the “i” are on opposite sides of the keyboard.

          And I went home and had sex with my husband, thank you very much.

          • March 28, 2014 at 12:33 pm
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            Good for him,. Good for u!

  • March 26, 2014 at 6:26 pm
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    You guys are like ping pong balls on this…..All over the place!

    I believe the issue at hand is:

    Do we allow corporations to select which part of the ACA it complies, based upon religious convictions.

    Please drop the whole it shouldn’t be law…. blah, blah, blah.

    It is law. I don’t like this law either, but it’s the law.

    Does a non person, corporation get to elect to which provisions it complies or not based on religious beliefs?

    Kind of like an insurance policy, right? It is what it is, and we pay claims based on the contract… not what the contract should say, but what it does say.

    • March 28, 2014 at 4:20 pm
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      Hey Company Gal, the law is what Obama says it is. That is why he keeps changing it weekly. You should see some of my Blue Cross update emails sometime. They are outdated by the time they are sent out to us. The one I got yesterday was about the final sign up day of 3-31-14. Oops! It has been extended yet again.

  • March 26, 2014 at 6:43 pm
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    What happened in Il today?

    “Gov. Quinn gave his budget address today. When he broke a promise from his last campaign snd signed the 67 percent tax increase in 2011, he said he could fix our $ problems with that so-called temporary tax hike. Today, he admitted that he failed to solve those problems. His solution? Break the promise that the tax would be temporary! After 5 years of Gov. Quinn we have record high taxes and spending and the 2nd highest unemployment rate in the country. He has had his chance. He didn’t get the job done and he broke his promises. I think we need a new governor. What do you think?”

    HMMM. A Democratic IL Politician taking OBamas Lead. Or did OBama take his lead? Lies, Lies and more Lies…

    • March 27, 2014 at 9:47 am
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      Shit happens FFA and sometimes you need to change your position or break a promise. I don’t suppose you have ever done that.

      • March 27, 2014 at 12:27 pm
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        I dont make promises I cant keep. I dont lie to people. You suppose correctly.

        Its black and white to me. I leave nothing to chance.

        • March 27, 2014 at 2:24 pm
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          Is this your first or second marriage, FFA?

          • March 27, 2014 at 3:24 pm
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            ONLY Marriage. I did not take my vows with a grain of salt. I meant what I said. Even when she was going to give me a “night out” when she was on the PLUP, I passed. True and loyal till death do I part. Fact is all of my Sibs are still married. We keep our word. Even the low life thief still stays loyal to that bitch.

            Hell Libby, I cant remember the last time I was really mad at her. I cant remember our last fight.

          • March 27, 2014 at 4:57 pm
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            What a low comment Libby! How many times have you been married? Me? Just once to my lovely wife who has had many health issues. We take “in sickness & in health” and “for better or worse” seriously and survived all the ups and downs of marriage. We raised two great daughters who are professionals in the medical field and pharmacy. I don’t even talk to them about Obamacare and what it is doing to their professions or their head explodes. They see it every day and it is tragic.

          • March 28, 2014 at 9:58 am
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            First of all, it wasn’t a comment. It was a question.

            Second of all, there was nothing “low” about it.

            I respect FFA. You? Not so much.

          • March 28, 2014 at 12:14 pm
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            Agent, she was fishing for something to call me out on – I keep my commitments.

            Since you and I are a dying breed – Committing to the commitment we made to our wives, it was a logical conclusion to jump to that I have been married multiple times.

          • March 31, 2014 at 9:13 am
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            Rush Lambast was married 4 times and never sired. Catheter issues caused by dicky do syndrome or just into kinky stuff and keeps getting caught?

  • March 27, 2014 at 9:44 am
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    Having failed to kill the Affordable Care Act in Congress by shutting down the government the opposition is currently taking delight in charging the president with lying to the public when he said anyone who likes their current healthcare plan will be able to keep it under the new law.

    Some people losing their current policies [and being offered better coverage] are going to have to pay a higher price. Taking crocodile tears to a new level, ObamaCare opponents are now rushing to their defense and calling the president a liar.

    These critics include Republican politicians who did not vote for ObamaCare; these are Republican governors who refuse to set up exchanges to reach their own citizens; these are people oppose expanding Medicaid to help poor people getting better health care; these are people who have never put any proposal on the table as an alternative fix for the nation’s costly health care system that leaves tens of millions with inadequate medical coverage and tens of millions more totally uninsured.

    The fact is if you are one of the estimated 2 million Americans whose health insurance plans may have been cancelled this month, you should not be blaming President Obama or the Affordable Care Act.

    You should be blaming your insurance company because they have not been providing you with coverage that meets the minimum basic standards for health care.

    Let me put it more bluntly: your insurance companies have been taking advantage of you and the Affordable Care Act puts in place consumer protection and tells them to stop abusing people.

    The government did not “force” insurance companies to cancel their own substandard policies.The insurance companies chose to do that rather than do what is right and bring the policies up to code.

    This would be like saying the government “forces” chemical companies to dispose of toxic waste safely rather than dumping it in the river.

    Or the government “forces” people to drive with intact windshields and working brake lights.

    How dare they “force” drivers to pay money to get those things fixed if they are broken?

    The American health insurance industry is one of the most profitable in the history of the world. Before the ACA, they made money by finding any excuse, any loophole to deny coverage to the sickest and most vulnerable people in our society.

    Rather than being vindictive and canceling policies under the pretext of ObamaCare, the insurance companies should be thanking their lucky stars that they do not have to contend with a public option or a single payer system. That is what the law allows in every other modern industrialized democracy.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/11/05/insurance-cancelled-dont-blame-obama-or-aca-blame-america-insurance-companies/

    • March 27, 2014 at 10:12 am
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      Libby, I vote for you as “Progressive Socialist Troll of the Year”. No one else is even close, not even Ron,Boogereater, Shirley or Planet.

      • March 27, 2014 at 10:20 am
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        Hmmmm. And I thought you’d like that I cited FoxNews.

        • March 27, 2014 at 4:18 pm
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          You quoted Fox News, but the person who wrote the article you linked to was Juan Williams, who along with Bob Beckel is one of the liberals on that network. So of course he’d be saying something you agree with.

          • March 28, 2014 at 10:00 am
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            So now you discredit FoxNews as a source because of the author? You guys really are the epitomy of hypocrisy!

      • March 31, 2014 at 8:37 am
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        She has my vote, this is quite an honor to be had. Agent, you have my “Regressive Troll of the Year” award.

    • March 27, 2014 at 12:30 pm
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      He is a proven liar. Even after he knew policies were going to be canceled, he still went in front of the cameras and repeated his lie countless number of time.

      If your spouse lied to you the way this guy has lied to you, would your spouse be around any more?

      • March 27, 2014 at 12:39 pm
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        Wrong again FFA.

        Those people who had plans cancelled are because their carrier did not want to comply with the law. Almost all have been replaced with a carrier who provides better quality at cheaper prices.

        It is time you stopped getting all your facts from the Koch brothers, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck…and think for yourself!

        • March 27, 2014 at 12:51 pm
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          Wrong 102. Peoples policies were cancelled because the companies had to comply with the law or face retribution from the Administration. Everything had to be just like the law set up with all the mandates, fines if you didn’t buy etc. People could not keep the plans they likes. You are now pushing Libby for Progressive Troll of the year.

          • March 27, 2014 at 1:05 pm
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            Agent, dont pay no attention to the foreigner. He is not even American. At least Libby & Ron are true blue AMERICANS.

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          • March 27, 2014 at 5:04 pm
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            FFA, As I recall from a prior blog, 102 admitted to be Indian when he and Libby got into a shouting match and they called each other numerous names. She called him a greasy Indian.

            By the way, we talked some about my wife’s impending surgery to install a Spine Stimulator to block pain from Scholiosis after 5 back surgeries with three of them fusions. We are due to have this Stimulator surgery on 4-1 and then when the incisions heal, they will turn it on. We are cautiously optimistic since the test we did cut the pain in more than half. I hope your wife has recovered from her knee surgery and is doing better now.

          • March 28, 2014 at 12:11 pm
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            I hope things go well for her. Them Fusions just seem to create more problems then they solve. Keep me posted on the usefulness of that stimulater thing.

            She is weaning off crutches. Her frame of mind is getting better and better every day. Spirits went way high when doc cleared her to drive again. She is talking about doing an extended bike ride when the weather breaks. On a side note, this global warming thing was just something some politician made up. Bunch of hooey.

      • March 27, 2014 at 1:13 pm
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        How am I less of an American than you FFA?

        I was born in the United States so under the terms of the Constitution-I am a citizen.

        Is that correct?

        • March 28, 2014 at 12:05 pm
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          You once referred to your self as an Indian – American. You put something else in front of American.

          • March 31, 2014 at 8:42 am
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            I’m NCAA All-American, guess that means I’m Croatian because I put “All” in front of American. Team-America F-Yeah

        • March 28, 2014 at 1:07 pm
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          Hi FFA. Glad to here your wife is doing better now. I will let you know in the next few weeks how the surgery went with mine. They can’t hook it up until the incision heals and then we will see.

          Has the ice melted off Lake Michigan yet? For a while there, I understand you could walk way out on the ice. In any case, they should have just thrown Al Gore out on it and see if he could make it back.

        • March 31, 2014 at 11:57 am
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          That is correct. Just like John McCain is ‘Murrican by default because he was born on foreign occupied territory.

          • March 31, 2014 at 12:42 pm
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            Don’t forget the Canadian American GOP candidate for president!

      • March 28, 2014 at 4:26 pm
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        FFA, The last count I had on the lies of the year 2013 which received 4 Pinnochio’s from the Washington Post was 39 on tape. Of course he had the line down pat by about the 15th one and didn’t need the teleprompter to repeat them per vatum.

        By the way, I agree that Libby was hoping you would admit to being married several times and breaking your marriage vows so she could come down on you hard. Imagine her disappointment.

        • March 28, 2014 at 4:32 pm
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          Did you mean to say “verbatim” or “per batim?”

        • March 28, 2014 at 4:33 pm
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          And yes, I was going to point that out to FFA, but I thought I remembered him telling me he was only married the one time. That’s why I asked. Unlike you with your ready, fire, aim approach.

        • March 28, 2014 at 5:30 pm
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          Agent – She knew better then just to come out and say that. I would expect that if my wife cheats, I would divorce her. Same way back at me. That would be the only issue I or she would not / could not work through. when the trust is gone, so is the marriage. Thats why I took a pass on the “night out”.

    • March 28, 2014 at 12:04 pm
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      No, Libby, I don’t discredit Fox News as a source because of the author; in fact, I like Juan Williams a lot – I think he’s misguided and clueless at times, but he sure seems like a nice guy and as an aside I think the way NPR treated him a couple years ago was really shabby. But when you tout that you have quoted Fox News, and it turns out that the person from Fox you quoted was one of their liberal commentators, it doesn’t mean much. You’re obviously going to agree with one of the libs on that network. So it doesn’t mean any more than if you quoted a lib from, say, MSNBC. If there were a conservative commentator on MSNBC (are there any??) and I quoted one of them, it wouldn’t mean much either, because obviously I’d be in agreement with a conservative commentator, no matter which network he’s on.

      • March 28, 2014 at 1:00 pm
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        I didn’t even notice it was from FoxNews until Agent called me the “Progressive Socialist Troll of the Year.”

        • March 28, 2014 at 1:09 pm
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          Hey Libby, How about calling 102 a greasy Indian troll like you did a few articles back? He is pushing your #1 position you know.

          • March 28, 2014 at 3:17 pm
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            Fight your own battles, Agent. I fight mine with no help from you.

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        Juan Williams is the token black guy at Fox. They don’t listen to him, they just prop him up there to appear to be diverse.

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    Well, if this goes through and HL gets to opt out, I’m going to look for a Rastafarian to work for. The neo-cons better hope they never work for one of those scary Muslim owners, huh? And, how boring would it be to work for a Baptist? No one puts baby in the corner! I will also go back to my Scientology analogy. There are many meds they do not believe in so do those business owners professing that faith get to opt out of aspirin? Hobby Lobby sucks (but, only after marriage). I’ll go buy plastic palm trees somewhere else. P-dum-ta-dum-dum – Mic drop yo!

    • March 27, 2014 at 3:27 pm
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      My cap, I am beginning to think you just make shit up…
      “Rastafarian”. “neo-cons” “Scientology”
      Maybe I was just sleeping through that class.

      • March 27, 2014 at 3:42 pm
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        FFA, we don’t call him Planet from another Planet for nothing. He has been posting crap like that for several years. We laugh at him and go about our business. He is famous for posting “ding, ding, ding” or snap and he wonders why no one takes him sincerely. He also tells very bad jokes like urinating on Chic Fil A. How disgusting is that?

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          • March 27, 2014 at 4:48 pm
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            Libby, You are mean spirited with any Conservative poster whether it is me or anyone else with Conservative values. As you say, you can’t help yourself. Perhaps you should check yourself in to an institution with Ron. Both of you need padded cells so you don’t hurt yourself. I don’t know if there is a cure for what you and Ron have. You called me a neo-con. I hate to tell you, but I am a full blooded Conservative and make no apology’s for being that way. What is your excuse for being a nosy Progressive Socialist?

          • March 28, 2014 at 10:06 am
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            Because I disagree and debate Conservatives on this site, does not make me mean-spririted. I am that way to you, especially, because of your continuous attempts to demean and degrade me. You are equally rude to Ron.

            And I don’t know where you get the notion I am nosy. You’re the one talking about my personal business on here, not the other way around. You are one twisted freakish little man.

      • March 28, 2014 at 12:58 am
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        http://altreligion.about.com/od/alternativereligionsaz/a/rastafari.htm

        http://www.scientology.org/spiritual-technology/?src=gaw&gclid=CMzarYG4tL0CFYZAMgodQD0AAA

        http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1075556/neoconservatism

        Not made up, FFA – all real. I wouldn’t expect Agent to know because he lives in his little Drudgeland Republitopia. But, I thought you would have heard of at least Rastafari, plenty of athletes practice that religion and some players in the NBA don’t have to be tested for marijuana because partaking in that drug is a religious ceremony. Far out, bro!

        • March 28, 2014 at 11:57 am
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          So the NBA recognizes Religious Beliefs but not Obama Admin..
          HMMMMMM.

          “Drudgeland Republitopia” “Rastafari”. Not important to me. So, why bother???? I’m not congress. I have work to get done.

          • March 28, 2014 at 3:02 pm
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            So FFA, the AP just did another poll on the approval of Obamacare. Only 26% approved of it. This is the lowest rating since the law was passed. Gee, if it is so wonderful, I wonder why 74% disapprove of its merits. I am sure the Progressives eyes are rolling now. They just cannot defend this monstrocity and all the lies that put it in force.

          • March 28, 2014 at 4:03 pm
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            So FFA, I saw a story on the net today about one of your legislators getting into trouble up there in the Land of Lincoln. A State Rep Keith Farnham (D) had sponsored two pieces of legislation to increase penalties for Child Porn possession. Guess what, the authorities raided his home and guess what they found – Child Porn all over his personal computer. He resigned for “health reasons”. I hope they throw him in the clinker with Blago and the other convicted politicians like Jessie Jr and others. Those jails must be reaching capacity with politicians up there.

          • March 28, 2014 at 5:15 pm
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            HMMM. I had not seen the reason, but I know that he did resign. There is another one in Chicago in trouble. Both are/were Cook County Politicians. They would end up in Club Fed with Blago. Be nice to see them in the cook county jail…

          • March 31, 2014 at 10:11 am
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            The NBA is about as real as rasslin’

      • March 28, 2014 at 1:01 am
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        Just tried posting some links and IJ scrubbed me. If you have time, just google Rastafari, neoconservatives, and Scientology. I am not making it up at all. Agent lives in his little Drudgeland Republitopia so I don’t expect him to know. But, thought you may have heard of Rastafari. Some athletes practice it and don’t have to be tested for marijuana because partaking in it is a religious ceremonial profession. Far out, bro!

  • March 27, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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    Well Planet, you gave it a good try for Progressive Troll of the year, but came in third to Libby and 102. Your posts are way out there bub, but not as mean spirited and that is why you are third.

    I do hope you go out to support the Champions Tour in Des Moines this year instead of jogging. They do raise a lot of money for charity. I go to every PGA or Champions Tour event within 200 miles of my city because I enjoy seeing great golf and the proceeds raise money for hospitals or other worthwhile charities like The First Tee which is the best program for kids I know of.

    • March 27, 2014 at 4:30 pm
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      Thank you, Chief Justice Roberts, for pointing out that corporations can file racial discrimination claims. I bet all the people who are insisting that “corporations aren’t people and can’t have a belief” would never have a problem with a corporation filing a racial discrimination claim even though “corporations aren’t people.” Hmmmm.

      • March 27, 2014 at 5:22 pm
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        Almost out the door here in NYC and headed to the subway, here is food for thought….

        Wasn’t this the same John Roberts who upheld the validity of the ACA?

        The law is legal. It was passed by Congress, signed by the President, and its validity was upheld by the Supreme Court.

        I might be a “foreigner” according to FFA, but I think I have the basics of American government down pat. Congress makes the laws, the executive branch enforces the law, and the judicial branch interprets them. Right?

        Anyway, I think the administration will win the case. If you read the justice’s questions, it seemed that Justice Kennedy sided with the more liberal justices of the court. He often sides with these justices on social issues. Look no further than the case that overturned the ban on gay marriage in California.

        We’ll see in a few months if I’m right.

        As for agent, have you heard the expression it takes two to tango? You dish out with people like me and Libby, and you can be pretty tough with both of us (and others). Don’t cry, and say that we are mean when we defend ourselves. I’m not just another rude New Yorker (your words not mine).

        Cheers!

        Cheers

        • March 27, 2014 at 5:40 pm
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          102, you fit perfectly in with the liberal NY crowd. Still have to take the subway to and from I see. I feel sorry for people who have to live like sardines in a can. I guess that is why you behave like you do.

          Please explain why the American people have to comply with this “law” and the Administration/Obama doesn’t. They have broken the law over 30 times unilaterally with the stroke of a pen. Do you believe like Harry Reid that the slow sign up is the result of people not knowing how to use the Internet?

          • March 27, 2014 at 6:29 pm
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            Yawn! Agent continues his conservative rant. Is this from Rush, Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity?

            Some misconceptions that I want to clear up:

            1) Yes, working people like me but also wealthy millionaires and billionaires take the subway to work. Michael Bloomberg and Vikram Pandit are two examples. Both of these individuals turned out fine.

            2) Yes, Obama is complying with the law. Please see the post where he as the President has enrolled in a health plan offered by an exchange in DC.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/12/23/obama-signs-up-for-health-care-selects-bronze-plan-in-d-c-exchange/

            If you look many of his staff as well as Senator Reid and his staff, have signed up for the plan.

            3) As for breaking the law, laws are not broken. Action was taken by executive order, and it has been done by Democratic and Republican presidents. He has done this as all matters from legislation to executive appointments are blocked by Congress. That is why Harry Reid invoked the nuclear option. You do know what the nuclear option is…don’t you Agent?

            I do agree that the law is not perfect. If you read Dr Emanuel’s article, the website and law should be run like a business e-commerce website and not like a government run website. As for slow signup, ACA enrollment went well over 6 million.

            So, Agent, as you are a card-carrying teabagger, do you stand for anything constructive or just run against the ACA like almost all GOP politicans?

          • March 28, 2014 at 10:17 am
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            Agent has got to be one of the most misinformed individuals on this site, yet he speaks with such conviction. Scary, huh?

            He doesn’t know:

            1) There have been no Executive Orders issued regarding the ACA.

            2) The IRS has the authority to delay implementation of parts of the ACA and has legally done so.

            3) Congress and the President are subject to the ACA mandate.

            4) Obama is neither Muslim nor the anti-Christ.

            5) The ACA was passed by Congress, signed into law, upheld by SCOTUS and is no longer up for debate.

            He is so out of touch with reality, I think he thinks Reagan is still on office. Those were the days, huh Agent?

      • March 28, 2014 at 1:02 am
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        Can a corporation have an orgasm, Connie?

        • March 28, 2014 at 10:18 am
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          • April 1, 2014 at 3:17 pm
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            Not appropriate and childish.

          • April 2, 2014 at 8:47 am
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            Appropriate and true.

          • April 2, 2014 at 12:30 pm
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            Whether or not a company can have an orgasm, young lady,

            Is irrelevant to whether or not that company is providing for you.

            I guess you think the company is “@%@ing you” eh? So I guess they can have an orgasm with you right?

            And seeing as you’re meant to go to work to have orgasms, I guess this is totally a relevant question, after all, the purpose of you going to work is orgasms right?

            Libby, I can be an annoying child too. It doesn’t make it right.

            Whether or no your corporation can have an orgasm is irrelevant to whether or not they should pay you, hire you, or pay for your birth control.

          • April 2, 2014 at 12:43 pm
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            Side comment:

            I said young lady, not to infer you were a child,

            But because I felt awkward calling you a lady (some women don’t like being inferred they are old)

            Woman is always taken as an insult.

            and Female is obviously a bad choice.

          • April 2, 2014 at 1:03 pm
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            His orgasm comment was meant to showcase the fact that a corporation is not the same as an individual.

            My comeback was based on my perception of big business being greedy pigs.

            I understand you don’t agree with our perceptions, but we are entitled to them nonetheless. We are neither childish or inappropriate. This is our humor.

          • April 2, 2014 at 1:41 pm
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            And your humor is condescending, rude, crude, and not stylish.

            You have a tendency to say things because you think it’s “cool” or “edgy”

            You are an adult. Act like it.

            If it is not relevant to the conversation, and is condescending, don’t say it.

          • April 2, 2014 at 2:14 pm
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            Bob: With all due respect, I will not allow you or anyone else to tell me what I can and cannot say. If you don’t like my style of humor, fine. I don’t find it rude or crude and do not think of myself as cool or edgy. And believe it or not, there are many people that find my brand of humor very funny indeed. Obviously, you are not one of them. You have the right to criticize, I guess, but it isn’t appreciated. You can respond by thumbing me down.

          • April 3, 2014 at 2:51 pm
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            Libby,

            What you are saying is not respectful, and me pointing that out seems to be what you have a problem with.

            I do not care if you don’t appreciate it. I don’t appreciate the way you talk either, and it’s why I often don’t respect you.

            This isn’t the way you should be talking.

            Saying “I can talk how I want” is accurate, but you can’t say that and simultaneously say that while you do things that completely lack self control or respect that is will be the same level of comments which have self control or respect, and then blame me for that fact.

            If you cannot face the err of your comments, then don’t say it.

          • April 3, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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            I do not think my comment was disrespectful. To whom was it disrespectful? I find many things you say to be disrespectful as well. That is just an opinion, nothing else. You are entitled to yours. I am entitled to mine. I do not accept your assessment of disrespectful, so the comment is not appreciated.

        • April 1, 2014 at 3:19 pm
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          Not appropriate, not as edgy as you think, childish, and irrelevant.

          The people who own a corporation, even biblically, have rights.

          You ever read what those rights are, Mr. Supposed Christian, but you insult the bible all the time?

          People who own businesses should not be forced to do things just because they own a business. It is their choice to do wrong or do right. And if they don’t do right, people can work elsewhere.

          Though I imagine birth control won’t be the deciding factor as is.

          • April 2, 2014 at 8:48 am
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            People who own businesses have rights. They do not, however, have the right to break the law without consequences. We can argue the merits of the law, but it is the law nevertheless.

          • April 2, 2014 at 12:28 pm
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            You don’t have the right to pass a law, bully them, force them to do absurd things,

            And then when they say it isn’t right,

            Say it’s the law.

          • April 2, 2014 at 1:01 pm
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            Congress DOES have that right. There are plenty of laws on the books I don’t like, but am supposed to follow. If I do not, there are consequences.

            A corporation is not an individual. It does not have the same rights as an individual. I’m sorry you don’t like that the law says this coverage has to be offered. But it does. Having it insured and condoning it are two different things. They may be against smoking, but they don’t exclude coverage for lung cancer. Against drinking, but don’t exclude coverage for alcoholism. They can’t pick and choose. Not anymore.

          • April 2, 2014 at 1:29 pm
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            At one point blacks didn’t have rights as individuals.

            They were still individuals.

            CEO’s and business owners are being enslaved, and mistreated.

            You are getting on the bus just because it’s a law?

            How dare you! I will not say it is ok. Corporations are individuals ran, and individuals owned, and are made up of individuals.

            The individuals who run the company should have the same rights as those who work in it.

            When you run a business you should not have to violate your beliefs. You say it’s not all about money all the time. Well, then don’t force businesses to have to be all about the money.

          • April 2, 2014 at 2:18 pm
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            “The individuals who run the company should have the same rights as those who work in it.” Yes, they do. And they have the right to choose not to use the morning after pill. They don’t have the right to withold that decision from their employees by not providing health insurance coverage for it. Just as they cannot withold other coverage under the guise of it offending their “religion.”

            If, as everyone says, the people that work at Hobby Lobby have the same beliefs as it’s owners, then there is no problem providing coverage, as the workers will not use it. If that’s not the case, they do not have the right to withold coverage and make that decision for their employees.

          • April 2, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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            And the biggest Overstatement of the Year goes to….

            “CEO’s and business owners are being enslaved, and mistreated.”

            LOL!!!

          • April 3, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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            Libby,

            That last one, and I don’t care if this makes me sound like a zealot because it is true,

            Is envy,

            Obsession,

            And hate toward those who own businesses,

            And will get you in hell.

            Off of that topic,

            Business owners are being forced to do things, solely because they have money. You figure it is ok to mistreat them because they have a nice life? No. It isn’t. You don’t get to say “hey you have money? Great, pay for my birth control which you are against”

            And I will say again, and pardon the anger but no, you don’t get to say things like you said above:

            NOT PAYING FOR YOUR BIRTH CONTROL IS NOT CONTROLLING YOU.

            You have the right to pay for your own birth control. I suppose businesses by that logic can also be the reason for everything by that logic, because they aren’t paying for everything for you. That was VERY whiny logic you put up. Act like an adult and grow up.

            But more on point: It is like $15. If you have a job. You can afford it. PAY FOR IT YOURSELF.

            Let me show you something from a saint of the catholic church.

            Scroll down to where Satan says how to corrupt man, let them say that it is not illegal, let them be lazy, etc.

            This was a woman who wrote this when she was under 30, a nun, who I agree, being Catholic, could not have known this level of corruption. READ IT.

            See what she says Satan does to get people in hell.

            Then wonder how this girl who died in her early 30′s, would have ever come up with such a concept.

            Then reflect on your friends and how they live.

            http://www.tldm.org/News8/realityofhell.htm

            Look at Sister Josefa lower down.

            People like you are entirely focused on your wants in this life. That’s exactly the problem. You are selfish. Note she sees a 15 year old girl going to hell. A FIFTEEN year old girl. Why Libby?

            Tell me you don’t believe that Nun’s story in light of her age when she saw what she saw, and the level of truth to how the world is corrupted in the end of her story in comparison to what Satan said, and in comparison to the chance she would ever understand as a person of meager life those types of corruption. Then realize why that fifteen girl went to hell, and why by that logic, a lot of people will suffer in this country because that is nearly every child: She was focused only on herself. People told her to have fun, forget the nay sayers, it’s about her. We don’t know if God exists, so just have fun. Your employer will pay for your birth control. Become callous to the employer. They don’t deserve to be treated as humans right? It’s about you and your enjoyment and your career.

            See the level of corruption you and liberals like you spread?

            I am tired of standing by and or being a part of it in my life.

            If fear of hell is not a reason, then love of the being who created you and love of man should be, for you to realize that being callous to the rich is basically wrong. And this birth control push is as well. PAY. FOR. IT. YOURSELF.

          • April 3, 2014 at 12:30 pm
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            And also:

            Tell me that FIFTEEN year old girl, had she died today, would not believe that sex was her own affair, she wasn’t going to hell, and she could rely on the government, planned parenthood, or other organizations to provide for it.

            You encourage that lifestyle with your supposed “acceptance” and then damn those who would save her when they tell her it’s wrong by calling them zealots.

            Libby, I am sick of this. On my path to God I am realizing I have argued entirely wrong. Like a monkey in the kingdom of man.

            Your kingdom of man is all about selfish wants, where people fight over the right to have sex with people outside of marriage (I’m not saying this is horrible for the same reason as other believers, what happens if you have a kid with someone you didn’t intend on marrying? Is that the purpose of birth control? To be able to make stupid decisions without consequence? To have sex with the hottest person you can and act like an idiot? To just %@%@ other people, literally and metaphorically when you realize you don’t want to be with them?) regularly. There are reasons it is wrong. There are reasons you shouldn’t be encouraging it.

            Again: If hell is real, if even 1% chance those actions would get you there, you shouldn’t encourage it.

            If it isn’t, well, it’s still wrong morally. And I don’t care how immature you are to deny it, it won’t change it.

          • April 3, 2014 at 12:34 pm
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            Don’t worry about the birth control libby.

            It’s the law.

            Someone is leading you on a bad path. Read the link I gave you.

            When all else fails, make them love. Make them love passionately.

            How many people have you seen destroyed by this Libby? I was. My father was.

            The magnetic pull to a human being, super ceding god, blinding you to the fact that you have become selfish.

            Think about it for a while.

            Most your arguments here follow that path. Your argument for abortion certainly does.

            I am done arguing with you on the wrong levels. Grow a conscience. Your soul is more important than your vagina.

          • April 3, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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            OMG Bob. I liked you better when you were an agnostic. I don’t believe in Satan. I don’t believe in hell. My God is a loving God and not a punitive God. I like mine alot better than yours. Yours who would have you condemned to fire and brimstone for all eternity.

            You are a damaged individual and I hate to say it, but slowly going off your nut.

            Do not preach to me or you will see a wrath like one you’ve never seen before. I won’t tolerate it. You have NO RIGHT to talk to me like you are somehow morally superior to me. God wouldn’t like it and neither would Jesus. Not to mention, it is the quickest way for me to tune out everything you say. So if that is what you want, keep preaching. I loathe it. And I will end up loathing you for it.

          • April 3, 2014 at 7:18 pm
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            You liked me better when I swore at you about politics rather than talked to you about religion?

            Isn’t that interesting?

            No I’m about done with this monkey work.

            If there’s a 1 in 5 billion chance that girl is right, 1 in 5 billion considering an eternity, it is worth paying attention.

            I’m sorry, your way of life is just bad, wreckless, inconsiderate, and selfish. At all ends Sex takes priority, relationships and children take secondary, and in the case of abortions, children take last for you over you being able to do whatever the hell you want. You always try to talk pretty, but that’s what it’s all about: Let me do whatever the hell I want. The zealots aren’t stopping you Libby. All they do is say it is wrong. And that’s about it. You want to do it, go ahead. I won’t be seeing you in hell.

            I’ve been watching this crud go on my entire life due to people like you.

            It’s an animal kingdom as I call it.

            I literally showed my dad the book I’ll love you forever, (do you know of it?) and said I knew he tried his best with us kids. I said it would be her first book, and played on the “as long as you’re living my daddy you’ll be” line. My wife is pulling me back, but she was not religious before what happened with my dad happened, and I can no longer ignore it. Let me say it plainly: YOU. ARE. ON. THE. WRONG. PATH. Call me a zealot, call me names, say you feel sorry for me, whatever. I don’t care. Out of the parties in power, one is facilitating the path to hell in too many ways for me to ignore. Call that zealotry, speak whatever you would like to say, I don’t care. It is right. You know it. I know it. You just are too selfish to admit it. I’ll say these lines again and again.

            I don’t care what you think. I’m going biblical from now on. The things that have happened in my life, had you seen them, are clear as day. You can see it as truth, or just mumbo jumbo, but know this: You have been given your chance and you chose not to listen. I don’t bluntly care about your views on it. I’ll grab a Mother Teresa quote: In the end, it was about you and God, not them anyway. You’ve probably heard the full version. People like her, who give as much as they do, don’t come from mindsets like you.

            It’s either I trust in people who followed mindsets like her, or mindsets like you and guess what Libby?

            I’m going with people like her. Because people like you told me while they ruined parts of my life “don’t worry, what we are doing to you is ok to us”. No. Catholics don’t do this, say this, or have your ego problems. I was raised around them. They are humble, they are quick to say what they did wrong, and they are about love. You’re not. Every decision I have seen you make, or viewpoint you have, is about you. You’re selfish, and when it isn’t about you, it’s about getting someone else what they deserve. AKA CEO’s, business owners, all those bad people with money.

            I refuse to live like that. We won’t be talking anymore. Biblically I am to tell you what you did wrong, and then bring others to do it, and then bring a priest. But I’m not wasting my time.

            Adios Libby.

          • April 4, 2014 at 9:04 am
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            Bob – You have no right to tell me I am a selfish and bad person, as you know nothing about me. I am loving and caring person and you are about as Christian as my shoe. If you truly believed what you “preach” you would pray for me, not condemn me.

            I will pray for you.

  • March 27, 2014 at 3:44 pm
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    Good one Always. You will make Libby’s head explode yet.

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      • March 27, 2014 at 6:09 pm
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        How is this Libby? The 5th Circuit Court in New Orleans just affirmed Texas new tough Abortion Law and overturned a lower court ruling against it. I guess all that protesting Wendy Davis did at the Capitol went for naught. Maybe she will withdraw from the Governor’s race and move to Pennsylvania to be with you. You could be her campaign manager.

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          • March 29, 2014 at 12:41 pm
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            What difference does their age and color make? They get the job done.
            To me anyways, sounds like we are trying to get govt out of the uterus. They keep sticking their nose into it. I hope OBama sticks his nose in the Beast with the Yeast. That will teach him…

          • March 31, 2014 at 12:31 pm
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            Hey FFA, I saw a very good political cartoon this morning you would like. Picture Obama behind his podium reading the teleprompter. First picture is all his wonderful proclamation that if you like your plan, you can keep it, like your doctor and hospital you can keep them. Second picture, behind the same podium, he declares – APRIL FOOLS! That is a lot like some of the April Fools we have on this site.

          • April 1, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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            Because you had to insert “old white guys” (why?)

            No one wants to control the uterus other than liberal males.

            If the woman doesn’t have a kid, he can feel free to have sex away. Birth control and abortion isn’t about controlling women for people who are against it. It is about the perceived child. Whether or not you agree with their perception of that child Planet, it makes you an asshole for insulting what other believe on the matter by stating the above. One of the worse types I might add.

            However, there is one group that it is about owning the woman’s vagina. It is about owning women sexually for people who are for birth control. It was never about freedom for women. And if you have ever paid attention to the majority of men who are for birth control, they are single white men (I’ll be just as stupid by adding white eh?) who want to avoid fatherhood because they are weak.

            Don’t tell me that’s stereo typing and that plenty of people use birth control while married.

            The vast majority are not. In NY more people were aborted than born. Don’t tell me that this was because too many married people didn’t have access to birth control. That’s a load of crap. I am talking the majority.

          • April 2, 2014 at 11:32 am
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            FFA, I have something to post which is guaranteed to get a bunch of dislikes from Libby, Ron, 102, Boogereater since they hate Texas so much.
            How God Created Texans

            When God created the world for humankind to prosper and multiply, he decided to give each group two virtues.
            As an example, he made the Japanese patient and hardworking, he made the Germans tenacious and studios, he made the Americans organized and pragmatic, and so on.
            When God considered Texans, He told the record keeping angel, Texans are going to be intelligent, honest and Democrats.
            When God finished creating the world, the angel noticed that God had given every group two virtues except the Texans ,who had received three.
            The angel thought that this would give the Texans an unfair advantage over the other groups of human beings and pointed this out to God.
            God said, Oh my goodness, you are certainly right, but since virtues given by God cannot be changed, we shall do the following.
            From now on, Texans will keep three virtues, however, they can only use two at a time.
            A Texan,who is a Democrat & honest, cannot be intelligent.
            One, who is Intelligent & Democrat, cannot be honest.
            And one, who is intelligent & honest can never be a Democrat! That is why most Texans are Republicans.

          • April 2, 2014 at 1:06 pm
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            How God Created Texans:

            He sat on the crapper and squeezed one out. That is why all Texans are God-given turds.

        • March 28, 2014 at 7:49 am
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          Agent,

          Since they failed 45+ times to repeal the PPACA, were the efforts of the House Republicans all for naught also?

          Can you be consistent in a position or will you find a way to spin it so that all of the time, energy and TAXPAYER MONEY wasted on trying to repeal the PPACA was somehow worth it?

          Fighting a losing battle on princilpe is either worth the effort or it is not.

          For the record, I do believe that Wendy Davis wasted her time trying to delay the inevitable.

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          • April 1, 2014 at 1:55 pm
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            If they accept the PPACA would you then say that it was their bill later on?

            Similar to how you called the wreck less spending of Reagan his?

            Will you blame republicans for the resulting debt, and say both parties are equal on debt in the future when they don’t fight the bill?

            You are creating a catch 22, or a no win scenario. Take your pick.

            Get the point?

            Stop whining and trying to make one liners. It’s really immature and you don’t get the big picture.

        • March 31, 2014 at 11:46 am
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          Wouldn’t it be awesome if we could just abort Texico?

          • March 31, 2014 at 12:47 pm
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            Give it one giant morning after pill!

  • March 28, 2014 at 11:45 am
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    Libby, You and Ron’s head must be spinning since that is what you do all day every work day trying to justify your positions. Both of your bosses should cut your payroll check in half for wasting agency time on this blog.

    • March 28, 2014 at 11:57 am
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      All of your employees should walk out since you’re the worst boss ever.

      • March 28, 2014 at 3:06 pm
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        Libby, they are all Conservative like I am and they think I am a very good boss. They have all been here from 8-15 years so if they objected to how I treat them, they could have walked a long time ago.

        • March 28, 2014 at 3:19 pm
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          Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

          • March 28, 2014 at 3:50 pm
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            Working anywhere in Texas is a lot better than working in Podunct, Pa. Libby. Didn’t you have to take a big pay cut to move back there to work? How did you better yourself with that arrangement? You had a hard time finding new employment after getting cut loose in Colorado.

          • March 28, 2014 at 4:09 pm
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            I bettered myself by marrying the love of my life, you moron.

            Some things are more important than money. Oh my. Did your head just explode?

            And I wasn’t “cut loose” I left my job in Colorado to come out here. Nice try.

        • March 28, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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          And I’ll bet you dollars to doughnuts, they talk about you and make fun of you behind your back, because you’re such a tool.

          • March 28, 2014 at 6:19 pm
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            Libby, let me end the week that was with a few pearls of wisdom for you to ponder. The title of this article is Conundrums /21st Century America.
            The six contradictions of Socialism in the United States of America:
            1. America is Capitalist and Greedy – yet half of the population is subsidized.
            2. Half the population is subsidized – yet they think they are victims.
            3. They think they are victims – yet their representatives run the government.
            4. Their representatives run the government – yet the poor keep getting poorer.
            5. The poor keep getting poorer – yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.
            6. The have things that people in other countries only dream about – yet they want America to be like all those other countries

            Think about it! And that pretty much sums up the the USA in the 21st Century.

          • March 31, 2014 at 8:50 am
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            I bet when he walks around, there is a guy that follows him that plays the tuba.

  • March 28, 2014 at 7:25 pm
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    Interesting thoughts agent!

    Where outside the United States have you travelled to?

    • March 31, 2014 at 10:11 am
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      He lives in Texico. That’s outside the US

      • March 31, 2014 at 11:17 am
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        Nof for long, hopefully!

    • March 31, 2014 at 10:48 am
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      I have only been all over Europe, Asia, including Vietnam, Phillipines, Japan. Canada, several islands/countries in the Caribbean & Mexico. I have not visited your native country of India doofus. You must feel awfully cloistered taking the subway to and from work every day.

      • March 31, 2014 at 11:18 am
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        You must feel awfully redneck driving your pick-em-up truck to work with the horns on the front and the rifle rack in the back.

        • March 31, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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          Good to see you have a sense of humor Libby. How is that Volt running for you? I have heard that it has about a 30 mile range on the battery. Does that get you to and from ok? Be sure and look out and don’t have a wreck in one. They tend to blow up and burn in an accident. By the way, they still can’t give those turkeys away.

          I can’t fit that rifle into the back of my 2014 Crossover SUV, but that doesn’t mean I can’t defend myself since we are a conceal and carry state.

        • March 31, 2014 at 3:28 pm
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          Wouldn’t buy a Chevy car to save my life, Agent. Pun intended!

          Just traded in my BMW for a Honda Accord. No more premium gas, it gets better gas mileage, and is better in the snow. I like it.

          • April 2, 2014 at 10:05 am
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            We know all about Government Motors Libby. Now, they have a huge recall on the Cobalt and numerous lawsuits resulting from a $.57 part that caused unsafe conditions. They only knew about this for over 10 years and did nothing about it. Their new female CEO is testifying before Congress currently on it. Obama may have to bail them out all over again to pay all the death and injury claims.

            Well, I have to agree with you on the Honda Accord. It is a very good vehicle, reliable and economical. My wife has had a series of them and liked them. She recently had to switch to a Toyota RAV 4 because of her back issues. The Accord sits down low and she needed something she could slide into easier. That RAV is a good one for her.

      • March 31, 2014 at 11:48 am
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        his Asian tour was while he was looking for a “wife”. “I need to find me some gal love me long time!”

        • April 3, 2014 at 11:08 am
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          Booger, help me out here. Are you or 102 the biggest racist on this site?

  • March 31, 2014 at 12:12 pm
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    Agent,
    Some facts to correct.

    1) Yes, the poor who work do pay taxes. As you make reference to the 47% that Mr Romney made famous, these people pay taxes in terms of Social Security, Medicare, state and local taxes. They work and are not on welfare. Why expand the earned income tax credit for these families Agent? This would put more money in their pockets and make them less poor (your words). The President as proposed this, and prominent conservatives like Marco Rubio backed him up. Mr Rubio withdrew his support. I guess he is interested in running for President, and he needs support from teabaggers like you. I just a lot of respect for Rubio. He backtracked on immigration and now on the earned income tax credit. I guess Rubio has no backbone.

    2) As for the statement, both liberal and conservative economists recognize that those that are less well off tend to stay well less off. On the other side, those that are more well off usually stay well off. Why not put money towards sensible programs like the earned income tax credit, expanding college opportunity and ameliorating student debt? I forget you are from the party of teabaggers. You have no original ideas of your own, and you run solely on your opposition to Obamacare.

    3) Yes, I have travelled across India (primarily in larger cities such as New Delhi, Bombay and Bangalore). When I grow through these cities, I notice that even in some of these shanty towns they have some things that some poor people in the US do not have. For example, how many poor people in America have television satellites and new TV’s that can pick up channels from India and around the world?

    4) I guess from your travel which sounds nebulous at best (ex. Europe sounds vague-it is a rather large land mass), didn’t you notice that from Asia to Europe and everywhere in between, they stressed the importanance of international cooperation to solve issues-foreign policy, national security, economic, agriculture, etc? Why do you think the idea of the G-7 has now expanded to the G-20? Moreover, the idea of international cooperation is stressed from right of center as well as left of center parties in these countries. If you brought up your cowboy ideas on politics and economics in a large share of these countries, you would be scorned or laughed at. In your case, it was probably both. I guess your mail order bride laughs at you too. I guess that is why you lash on on these forums.

    Personally, I am glad to be a member of a party that stresses diplomacy and cooperation to solve issues rather than taking other alternative course of actions. Wasn’t it Woodrow Wilson who wanted America in the League of Nations after WWI? Wasn’t FDR who was the driving force that lead the USA into the United Nations?

    Again, if you want to live like a Republican, vote for a Democrat?

    Got to run agent. Don’t worry, I (and others) can reach you at your corporate e-mail:

    agent@ineedtostoppostingandgetbacktoworkandgetalife.com

    • March 31, 2014 at 1:05 pm
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      Congratulations 102. You just exceeded Libby in Progressive Troll of the year. I know you had to work hard to get that designation since both of you post endlessly the biggest bunch of crap imaginable.

    • April 1, 2014 at 12:36 pm
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      This post shows the reason you are a democrat has a lot more to do with you being narcissistic than anything else.

      Not like you didn’t already show that.

      This is a problem with many democrats, the ego, the I am nicer than everyone else, more open minded than anyone else, I am solving everyone else’s problems better than everyone else.

      You aren’t Insurance 102. You just need to grow up a little bit to see it.

      You should pay attention to the issues. Not feeling better about yourself through politics.

      • April 2, 2014 at 12:28 pm
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        Bob, 102 worships his Messiah Obama because Obama is the biggest narcissist ever elected President. We are not supposed to criticize him under any circumstances because Narcissism is a mental disease and we will instantly be called “racists” if we disagree with any policy put forth.

        • April 2, 2014 at 12:51 pm
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          I agree with you on some issues, but be careful not to call Obama a bad president because he’s a narcissist. People will think worse of you for it.

          I’m careful to say the areas Obama messes up.

          With 102, that post was just so full of himself in it I couldn’t believe it.

          • April 2, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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            Bob, I call them as I see them. This man is the worst President we have ever had. I started out disagreeing on policies he put in effect, not on him as a person. The more I have learned about how he operates, the more I am convinced that his Narcissism may be at the root of all he does. He is nortoriously thin skinned and just about went ballistic when Dr. Ben Carson had some pearls of wisdom for him at the prayer breakfast. Dr. Carson got a visit from the IRS on an audit not long afterward. We know what he did through the IRS on their persecution of Conservative Groups.

          • April 2, 2014 at 3:04 pm
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            He went ballistic? How did you come to that conclusion?

            That’s the problem with you, Agent. You make things up, exaggerate, and down-right lie to try to make a point. You have zero credibility.

          • April 3, 2014 at 12:35 pm
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            Calm down Libby…

          • April 3, 2014 at 3:22 pm
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            Me calm down??? Look up above, Bob. I envisioned you foaming at the mouth after your religious rant that went on for three pages. You are nuttier than a fruitcake.

          • April 3, 2014 at 7:30 pm
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            Libby,

            Foaming at the mouth?

            Listen to yourself! I am passionate, but I am not foaming at the mouth.

            You’re just a bad person currently. I am telling you things you need to hear. But as I said above: GOODBYE.

            You are just mad that I’m basically finally taking the correct actions with you.

            I’m nutty right? Because I care about religion and God now?

            The same bs I heard all my life by people like you. You believe in God and you call those who follow him nutty, you insult his flock, you insult those who support the life of his children, no Libby.

            Just No. We. Are. Done.

            You’re lost. I gave you a religious rant so you would basically realize the reasoning behind everything you put on here, is selfish, or jealous, or envious.

            I don’t care if you find it crazy. I find this…Sad, but funny. You won’t enjoy the flames. And it is where you’re going.

            Let me just say this again: I was shown my fathers death, and I was scared to say if for several years. I actually prepared a goodbye for him and flew out to see a sister. I told one person that I trusted about this. It was my wife. Then my father died. I was in shock. I shrugged off what had happened due to people that are as blind as you.

            But she finally reminded me. She said “you told me you knew your father was going to die, and then you basically said good bye to him weeks before he did. I saw you for 6 months, panic, then accept and make everything right with your father knowing about his death. You don’t think this was god, why? What happened?”.

            I will say this again:

            I was told so to speak about my father’s death. My sister who I had not seen in 7 years, I went down to see her to bring her back. The force was powerful. I told her we “didn’t have time”. My sister didn’t know what I meant. I then asked my mother, on Mother’s day (he had his heart attack on Memorial day) “when did dad have his last heart check?”. She said recently, and then I said “ok so I’m going to out and say it, I have this feeling he is going to die. We need to do things with him. It’s good that his heart checked out but we need to do good things with him”.

            Do the math. When is mother’s day from memorial day Libby? That is when I invited him over to show him the book.

            I am extremely blessed. I have ignored God, as I imagine you do. You being as lost as you are, I know you do see his pull. Start paying attention. I really hope you change, but with how you are, I don’t see that happening.

            Good bye libby! I will not join you.

          • April 3, 2014 at 7:33 pm
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            Libby,

            I hope when you realize I’m no longer on this site, you take that as a bit of a sign of what you need to do.

            Later alligator.

          • April 4, 2014 at 9:11 am
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            Bob – you are not the only one to have a father die. When my father was diagnosed with cancer, he and my brother were estranged. I was the one that encouraged my brother to reach out to my father. Not for my father, but for my brother. I knew once my father was gone, my brother would grieve for the father he never knew. My brother did reach out and they spent the next three years developing their relationship. My brother thanks me for me for that and knows I did that out of love for him.

            You are the one that is the selfish one here. You think all your life experiences are somehow more unique &/or traumatic than everyone else’s. You have no empathy for anyone but yourself.

            And yes, you are nutty. Not people that believe in God are nutty. YOU are nutty. One day your an agnostic and the next day you’re ranting and raving and quoting scripture. You jump from one thing to another in your life looking for somewhere to belong. Being gay, not being gay, being promiscuous, being a husband, losing your dad, becoming a dad, being agnostic, being “religious.” You don’t know the first thing about being a Christian. Christians have compassion, tolerance, and patience. You have none of those traits.

            As I stated above, I will pray for you that you find some peace in your life.

  • April 1, 2014 at 4:12 pm
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    Bob,
    I believe I am entitled to post whatever I want on this forum as long I do it responsibly. This is the 1st Amendment. Don’t you remember Bobby?
    When it comes to politics, my statements are facts and germane to current affairs. For example, wasn’t FDR essential in estalishing the United Nations? Wasn’t the idea of cooperation and diplomacy meant to mitigate the chances of future conflict?
    Anyway, it is time to get you, FFA and Agent back in remedial learning. We can start out with basic current affairs.

    P.S.–Tell agent when you see him in class that the University of Illinois at Chicago and the University of Chicago are two different universities.

    Cheers!

    • April 2, 2014 at 12:49 pm
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      I don’t care about your rights 102. I never said you don’t have them.

      You are perfectly entitled to be a narcissist. You cannot be one and then deny it though.

      A lot of “me me” what you do, what experience you have that Agent doesn’t is in your posts, and it is often grandeur. Traveling the world, and that makes you a better more knowledgeable person?

      Look at the definition of narcissist. Being grandeur and over confident in [life] experience is in the definition.

      You want to debate facts do so.

      I was going to debate you until I realized what a narcissist you were on the few facts you posted for the PPACA. Do some more research. Your comment on it being cheaper than before is not only proven wrong by the CBO (republican plan would have lowered costs 9% PPACA will raise costs by 9%) it is patently absurd.

      I have posted that the republican plan gave up to a $5,000 debit card for buying insurance, and allowed you to write insurance premiums off as a deduction. Anyone who couldn’t pay for insurance with that, would go on medicare/medicaid.

      There are differences in the plans, and it still would have had an exchange. Over time, as people bought in, the amount of insureds could have gone up and costs could have gone down further.

      The PPACA is not just bad, it is the worst of all worlds.

  • April 2, 2014 at 7:01 pm
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    Bob, dont pay no attention to her. He just one of the foreigners that thinks she know more then everyone and that entitles him to everything.
    Same with that other foul mouth moron. Likes the C word probably because he is one.
    Everyone ignores these two long enough, they will go away.



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