Sebelius Resigning as Obama Health Chief

April 10, 2014
Kathleen Sebelius

  • April 11, 2014 at 1:33 pm
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      • April 13, 2014 at 9:53 am
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        That….that was beautiful.

      • April 15, 2014 at 5:31 pm
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        BRAVO!! Well said.

  • April 11, 2014 at 1:38 pm
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    • April 11, 2014 at 2:35 pm
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      Yeah, it took too long. Funny how the administation which was so fervently behind her and her comments about her sticking around have all been turneed upside down. But apparently this graph made them all nervous.

      http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Senate14.cfm

    • April 11, 2014 at 2:38 pm
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      • April 11, 2014 at 2:53 pm
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        I thought it was Obama that did all that. Glad to know he’s off the hook and it was actually Sebelius’ fault! Thanks, Agent!

        • April 11, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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          Libby, we know where she got her marching orders from. She was the loyal foot soldier complying with what was coming directly from the White House. No, Obama is not off the hook for this travesty. His nose is very long for having lied to the American people over and over. The Washington Post gave him 4 Pinnochios which is the most they can give for the lie of the year in 2013. I give him about 100 Pinnochios.

          • April 11, 2014 at 3:41 pm
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          • April 11, 2014 at 4:23 pm
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            Who is a pea brain Libby? You voted for this guy twice. He hired this incompetent to implement his Progressive dream. She couldn’t even do a proper farewell address today having forgotten a page of her speech. Oops! Her Secretary forgot to staple all the pages together so she had to stumble and ad lib part of it.

          • April 11, 2014 at 4:26 pm
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          • April 13, 2014 at 10:25 am
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            Libby, this was his flagship piece of legislation. This was basically the entire reason he got elected in the first place. The fact that it has been such a massive fumble negatively affecting the vast majority of Americans shows poor planning, major lack of oversight, and incompetency.

          • April 14, 2014 at 1:58 pm
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            It hasn’t negatively affected me or ONE PERSON I KNOW. It has helped a few I know.

            The fact is the website launch was a fiasco. I hold Obama’s administration responsible for that.

            But the ACA itself is in infant stages and it’s too early to tell whether it will be successful or not.

            It’s funny, the battle cry from the right has been “No-one is signing up! They’ll never meet their goal!” But when $100k to $500k MORE people signed up than anticipated, all we hear are crickets.

          • April 15, 2014 at 1:33 pm
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            Then again Libby, those numbers are coming from an administration that has repeatedly lied about the program and which is considered the least transparent administration. The same administration who has denied press to photograph them and only released WH approved photographs.

          • April 15, 2014 at 2:11 pm
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            Don’t like the numbers, call them all liars. Typical response.

        • April 11, 2014 at 3:27 pm
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          “The president didn’t know, she didn’t keep him informed” and so plausible deniability is back in play now that the not so innocent goat has been sacrificed.

          • April 11, 2014 at 3:52 pm
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          • April 11, 2014 at 4:41 pm
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            You left off a lot of guilty’s Libby. He is a devious liar of the first order on everything he has done for 5+ years. The problem with his lies are that they affect 320 million people in a very personal way. You can’t see them since you are a true believer, but most of the rest of us see this for anything but transparent.

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    • April 11, 2014 at 2:56 pm
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      Cap & Boon, the web site is not working today. It is still a mess. I get the prospect login info and it just shows a blank screen.

      You cant honestly think she did a good job on this.

      • April 11, 2014 at 3:54 pm
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        FFA, perhaps they have cut off the enrollment already and won’t accept any more apps for a while.

    • April 14, 2014 at 1:51 pm
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      Hey Captain, didn’t you know that CBS’ hiring of Colbert is a declaration of war against America? The end is near!

      • April 15, 2014 at 1:39 pm
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        Colbert is more conservative than people think, he’s not transferring his character from the Colbert Report to the show (at least I’m fairly certain he won’t). I actually expect him to be a great host; potentially liberal leaning, but who isn’t on TV (besides of course Craig Ferguson)?

        • April 15, 2014 at 6:09 pm
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          Destro, if he comes out ultra left, he won’t have much of a following and will be quickly replaced when the ratings go in the toilet. Letterman walked a fine line, but he did invite O’Reilly on from time to time and they would have some friendly banter.

          • April 16, 2014 at 9:42 am
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            Are you kidding? He IS ultra left and has a HUGE following.

          • April 16, 2014 at 5:19 pm
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            Letterman has been equal opportunity over the years.

  • April 11, 2014 at 1:41 pm
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    Enjoy your retirement as some one else is stuck cleaning up the mess you left behind.
    Damn web site isnt working today – again / still. Been trying to get one through since March 25. On it every day. Dont work.
    She proved the Peter Principle. She should have stayed in Kansas where she was capable of doing that job.

    • April 11, 2014 at 2:58 pm
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      FFA, I don’t think Kansas wants her back. My guess is that she won’t retire to Kansas. Will you take her in Chicago? She would fit right in with the idiot Progressives running that state.

  • April 11, 2014 at 2:13 pm
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    That’s the picture they come up with? Who was reviewing stock photos and decided to go with “awkward thumbs up while squinting in bright sunlight glare”?

    • April 11, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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      Excite, she actually thinks she did a good job with this travesty. That is how the Progressive brain works.

    • April 11, 2014 at 4:12 pm
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      I think they did it to portray a pained look on her face. I bet she’s ecstatic about resigning. I would be!

      • April 11, 2014 at 4:45 pm
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        Relieved would be closer Libby as in “Relieved from duty”. He never could bring himself to just fire her as has been called for since about mid October. That is another sign of leadership failure on his part.

        • April 11, 2014 at 4:52 pm
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          Relieved. Ecstatic. It’s all the same. I bet she’s happy to be out from in front of all that heat.

  • April 11, 2014 at 3:49 pm
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    and i can’t wait to see her resume how this whole debacle is listed!

    • April 11, 2014 at 3:56 pm
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      Perhaps she can get a job with Blue Cross on their board. After all, they fell for this hook, line and sinker as well.

      • April 11, 2014 at 5:15 pm
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        She will probably just take her Govt Pension and ride off into the Texas Sunset. Maybe she will be your neighbor??? If so, invite Justin Bieber over. Have some eggs on hand.

        • April 11, 2014 at 5:56 pm
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          We don’t want any part of her leather face down here FFA. Perhaps the south side of Chicago would be a good place to settle down. She could buy Obama’s house at a bargain price like he did. If not there, I am sure Sargeant would welcome her to Detroit.

        • April 14, 2014 at 11:50 am
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          Hey FFA, This morning, there was an article published through Newsmax titled Republican Red States are the most free. It was researched and published by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. The three basic categories examined were 1. Fiscal policy, including the tax burden, government spending and government debt, 2. Regulatory policy, including freedom from tort abuse, property rights protection, labor market freedom, Personal Freedom including gun control, alchohol freedom, marriage freedom, civil liberties, education policy and campaign finance freedom. Following is a list of states with the least freedom.
          1. New York- By far the least free. As a result, 9% of the residents based on the 2000 population on net have left for another state between 2000-2011, the highest such figure in the nation. New York has the highest taxes in the nation, 14%. Second is California, followed in order by New Jersey, Hawaii, Rhode Island, Illinois and Maryland. All of these states voted for Obama in 2012. Apparently, there are a lot of low information voters in these states and they like their nanny state benefits. The freest state is North Dakota, South Dakota, Tennessee, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Idaho and Missouri. Among the larger Red States, Texas ranked 14th. Interesting article.

          • April 14, 2014 at 4:04 pm
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            Chicago had been crying about not getting their share of School Funding. Watching the Senators Face Book page, he states that after a comprehensive review, Chicago has got way more then they should have over the past several years. Now he is working on leveling the playing field. If he is successful at it, Chicago could look for higher taxes then what they currently have.

  • April 14, 2014 at 1:30 pm
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    Agent; do you have the link to that article? I would like to share it with a few people.

    • April 14, 2014 at 4:25 pm
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      Go on the Internet and pull up Newsmax.com and it should have the story for you to read. I am not gifted in links, cutting and pasting and all that stuff. Maybe you can then share it with whoever you want.

      • April 15, 2014 at 9:25 am
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        Agent,

        I went to Newsmax.com and searched “Republican Red States are the most free” and came up with nothing. I also Googled that phrase and came uop empty. If cannot figure out how to copy and paste a link, stop posting facts here. You cannot just type in numbers and information without being able to back it up. And you call Libby and me pea brains.

        • April 15, 2014 at 6:05 pm
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          Hey Ron, you are goofier than I thought. Why not subscribe to Newsmax and you might actually see some useful info instead of Moveon.org or a typical government website.

      • April 15, 2014 at 11:51 am
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        Agent – why don’t you take five friggin minutes and LEARN how to cut and paste a link? Even a 5 year-old could do it. You really did get what little of an education you have in Texas, didn’t you? Pathetic!

        1. Take your cursor up to the url information at the top of the page. Do you see it? http://www.insurancejournal….
        2. Click in the box. It will highlight the link.
        3. Right click on your mouse and click on copy.
        4. Go to where you want to post the link and right click again.
        5. Choose paste. Voila! You have just posted a link.

        Retard.

        • April 15, 2014 at 5:53 pm
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          Gee Libby, I haven’t been out on here in a while but I see you’re still your charming-self and always so helpful in that wonderful condescending way of yours. Or might your negative attitude have something to do with everyone from Silibus on down finally realizing what a huge failure the Obama administration really is. That save for you. We all know that Obama would have never won his first election if everyone would have known that 6 million people would have lost their health insurance PERIOD and then be FORCED into buying something that they never needed in the first place because they had it already.

          • April 16, 2014 at 9:50 am
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            Yeah, I know. I’m especially cranky these past few days. But you know Agent always drives me crazy. Learn to cut and paste for heaven’s sake. Good grief!

        • April 15, 2014 at 6:03 pm
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          Shut up Libby. You are a terrible excuse of a woman. Take a hike back to Colorado and smoke some more of that weed you love so much.

          • April 16, 2014 at 9:55 am
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            I’m a terrible excuse for a WOMAN? Is that so, Agent?
            Why? Because I don’t hang on your every word, nodding in agreement, telling you what a smart, wonderful businessman you are? Is that what a REAL woman would do? Sorry, pal. We burned our bras in the ’70′s. It’s time for you to enter the 21st century. In case you haven’t heard, women are EQUAL to men.

            Uh-oh. Did your head just explode?

      • April 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm
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        “Go on the Internet and pull up Newsmax.com and it should have the story for you to read. I am not gifted in links, cutting and pasting and all that stuff. Maybe you can then share it with whoever you want.

        You see, I don’t get your magic flying machines or your glowing messaging boxes. I am just an unfrozen caveman lawyer…”

        • April 15, 2014 at 3:27 pm
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          Haha, unfrozen caveman lawyer, great reference!

          • April 15, 2014 at 3:49 pm
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            Thanks Destro, not everyday you get to drop unfrozen caveman lawyer on IJ. Maybe someday we’ll get to see Jack Handy out here, too. I hope Tuesday is treating you well!

        • April 15, 2014 at 6:02 pm
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          And you are as goofy as ever Planet. Still puffing that weed I see that you think there is no harm doing. That explains everything.

          • April 16, 2014 at 1:32 pm
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            You wouldn’t get the reference, Agent. You’d have to break away from FoxNews and watch Saturday Night Live.

    • April 15, 2014 at 11:52 am
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      Here you go, Sandra.

      http://freedominthe50states.org/

      That took me under 2 minutes.

  • April 14, 2014 at 2:09 pm
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    Agent never provides links.

  • April 15, 2014 at 8:30 pm
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    Hey, I have a novel idea when it comes to public policy! Forget all the links to whatever-the-place (there’s good information out there, to be sure, but be very wary of the misinformation/disinformation highway) Get a copy of the U.S. Constitution (widely regarded as a work of genius, highly esteemed as the greatest creation of government in human history) and:

    1) Read it
    2) Comprehend it
    3) Retain it for reference

    After doing so, THEN decide for yourself whether what our government officials are up to is reasonable and/or legal.

    Not everything which is portrayed as good for you is really good for you…hence, the enumerated powers granted government by the people, limitations placed on that government’s authority, the bill of rights & amendments, etc, all contained in said document….just one example: in the interest of reducing crime rates, would you be willing to allow the search of your private residence, at any time, without notice, without any probable cause? Surely, allowing this would reduce crime?

    I’m hoping the readers will think for themselves, and then decide on all such issues, asking themselves “it might sound good, but is it right? Does it violate any of our other rights? Is it constitutional? What must we give up in order to get?”

    • April 15, 2014 at 8:46 pm
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      I forgot to add, just in case any of you didn’t already know, the U.S. Constitution is, in fact, “settled law”…
      Best to all!

    • April 16, 2014 at 9:49 am
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      Well, Agent, our bastion of conservatism and a huge proponent of the Constitution proposed just that in another article. He said we should raid all the homes of suspected or known gang members, confiscate their weapons, and use ballistics tests (although he did not use that word since he doesn’t know it) and arrest them for any all crimes connected with said firearms.

      Just what, EXACTLY, is unconstitutional about the ACA? And please. Be specific.

      • April 16, 2014 at 12:10 pm
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        Hi Libby,

        One justification that was used is the commerce clause, which reads: “To REGULATE [emphasis added] commerce with foreign nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes”. Now, it seems obvious that REGULATE does not equate with being forced to PARTICIPATE.

        Logic also dictates that being forced to pay (a premium or a fine) in order to remain a citizen in good standing can’t be right, and, in fact, has already been declared unconstitutional. Many years ago there was a “poll tax”, which a citizen had to pay in order to vote. There was also at one time a requirement that only property owners could vote. Both of these have long since been declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, and as heretofore stated, that owning property or having money IS NOT, AND CANNOT BE REQUIRED to be a citizen in good standing.

        Another justification was the taxing power. By it’s very definition means that you must first OWN something (property or money) in order to owe a tax, which brings us right back to the previous point. Taxing/fining someone simply for being alive is in reality tantamount to a “poll tax”.

        So, I hope this clears up just EXACTLY what’s wrong with this law.

        As to your other point regarding raiding homes, I raised the question of trading liberty for safety to make the point that most sane, rational citizens would recoil in horror at the thought of warrantless searches, without probable cause, in spite of the fact that somebody might try to make the case that it would be “good” for us…just making the point that just because something might be portrayed as yielding a “good result” doesn’t make it right, or even “good” in the long run.

        One question for you, Libby: You have yourself stated that you work so efficiently and smartly that you can blog all day and still get your work done. I can’t seem to accomplish that feat, so if you make $60 and I make $20, should you give me $20 so as to make us both receive $40? Some might say that it would be good, but would it be right? I know many liberals would think so, but I don’t. I say “you found a better way, you earned it, it’s yours”.

        One last question for anyone who might know: It has been said that our sitting President is a Constitutional scholar, but does anyone know what country? I think it’s the USSA, but I’m not sure.

        • April 16, 2014 at 1:30 pm
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          JB – Your question to me seems to infer that I am a socialist. I am not. I do not begrudge someone making more money than me, as long as they work honestly for it. The raping and pillaging of the American people done by Wall Street and big business does not qualify.

          Regarding the issue of whether this is a “poll” tax and thus unconstitutional, the Constitution allows for “capitation” or head taxes. Just because the ACA “head tax” relies on whether one possesses or does not possess health insurance does not in and of itself make it unconstitutional. It is still applied to every American in the same way.

          By the way, I have SCOTUS on my side. I think they may know a little more about Constitutional law than we do.

          • April 16, 2014 at 2:44 pm
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            Powers Granted to Congress – Section 8
            “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts (etc)…”

            Can’t find “capitation” or head tax in the Constitution, nor does the definition of those items that are listed use any such terms, but I guess it depends on what your definition of “is” is.

            And no, I didn’t mean to imply you personally were/are a socialist – I didn’t use that term, I used the word liberal – I said “many liberals…” Are you implying that “liberal” is synonymous with “socialist”? And I said nothing about Wall St, but you are right on target with the honesty aspect – dishonesty should never be rewarded, wherever it is.

            And lastly, food for thought: just because something may be deemed “Constitutional” doesn’t automatically mean it should be enacted. Many proposals may pass the “Constitutional” test, but still may not be practical or desirable. (BTW, in case you didn’t know, occasionally previous SJC decisions are overturned)

            I certainly have no interest in being confrontational with you or anyone else. My only goal is to try to get people get their information from the true source of our nation’s “rules of the game”, the U.S.Constitution, and to then decide for themselves whether whatever is proposed/enacted comports with it.

            I may not always agree with your take, but I do appreciate your interest and input.

          • April 16, 2014 at 2:58 pm
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            I am not being confrontational with you, although that seems to be everyone’s reaction when I debate or ask questions. Sorry, I don’t just go along to get along with the majority on this site.

            Check the Sixteenth Amendment:

            Article I, Section 9, Clause 4:

            No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

            Capitation is used in the Constitution.

            And no, I don’t equate Liberal with Socialist, but taking from one person to “equal” distribution to another sure sounds socialist to me.

            I pay the same taxes as every other working American. Why shouldn’t I be able to voice where I want some of mine to go? I want some of my share to go for providing healthcare for all Americans. Is that liberal/socialist? I want some more of my share to go to feed hungry children. Is that liberal/socialist?

            Remember, the Constitution provides for taxation for defense of the nation and provide for the general welfare of the citizens. I do not see anything contradictory with the goals of the ACA and Constitution.

            Lastly, “just because something may be deemed “Constitutional” doesn’t automatically mean it should be enacted.” is a true statement. However, it was enacted and it was enacted within the laws outlined by the Constitution.

  • April 16, 2014 at 7:51 pm
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    Hi Libby,

    Mea Culpa! You are correct, the section you cited is under “Powers Denied to Federal Government”, and does in fact use the term “capitation”, but as you accurately quoted: “NO [emphasis added] capitation or other direct tax shall be laid, UNLESS [emphasis added]in proportion to the census or enumeration hereinbefore directed to be taken.”, which seems clear enough to conclude that any tax NOT in proportion to the census (i.e., per head) is un-Constitutional. If the ACA tax is tied to failure to have health insurance and/or is tied to a percentage of income, would this tax be un-Constitutional? I would say so, but then again, I’m only asking.

    I lean, admittedly, to the conservative side (root “conserve”, as in conserving the monies in the public treasury)and I do agree that many social programs are absolutely Constitutional – just because someone is a “conservative” does not mean that they are automatically against giving assistance from the public treasury to the TRULY NEEDY (which is a myth many on the left are fond of perpetrating and perpetuating) and under our current programs some of your share DOES go to provide assistance to our needy fellow citizens.

    Perhaps more could go to the truly needy if less were squandered on those who are NOT truly needy. The public treasury is finite, and wasteful spending, fraud, failure of government to carefully exercise their fiduciary responsibility (etc, etc) results in LESS being available for those citizens who truly need help – which many of us believe is the natural result of liberal SPENDING policies. If we want to give more to NEEDY we have to give less to GREEDY.

    Socialism necessarily requires the individual to “obey, comply and submit” to the central planners – not compatible with the U.S. Constitution – but I wasn’t trying to label you as that.

    As for for the ACA’s enactment, it was passed entirely on a partisan vote, through what many would call dubious circumstances, without being fully understood, which is probably the reason it didn’t have a lot of popular support (pass it to see what’s in it sounded a little backward to me) and then upheld by a very thin 5-4 SJC decision. Oh well, I understand that very little legislation is unanimously supported, and I understand your point, and your are technically correct, however…many of us are left wondering whether there could have been a better/bi-partisan/popular way to fund the healthcare/health insurance of the uninsured/pre-x, etc…oh well, I guess we’ll never know…

    Anyway, Libby, this is probably going to be my last post for awhile (I just don’t blog very often) and as I previously posted, although we don’t agree much of the time, I do appreciate your interest, input, respect your views and enjoy the lively and robust debate!

    (Spunky, tenacious, literate, actually cites passages from U.S. Constitution…hmmmm, if I could only get Libby a little more to the right…no, no, no, not the political right WING, just the right kind of right…the Constitutional kind of right…hmmm…)



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