Shouldn’t we ALL have respect for ALL individual’s rights
Respect is earned, not given.
B.S. There’s a little thing called common courtesy, that isn’t all that common anymore. Say what you will about the millenial’s work ethic, their manners are atrocious.
So your are an agist. A biggoted agist…
LOL! Yeah, I’m a bigoted ageist. You’re hilarious. And probably a millenial.
I can tell by your lack of manners.
And spelling ability.
You’re such a bigot to millenials. You dirty bigot!
Prove me wrong. It’s not bigotry if it’s a witnessed fact.
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Black individuals make up a disproportionate amount of the prison population and violent crime in the US. By your logic a statement like, “black people are violent criminals,” isn’t racist.
The fact that the prison population is disproportionatly black does not in and of itself indicate a racial propensity towards violence. There are many other factors that apply. So, no, that would not be my logic, Destro. Nice try, though. Come back later, Grasshopper.
And the fact that the violent crime rate is markedly higher among black communities/individuals?
What about it?
Well, it’s a witnessed fact right? So by your logic, black individuals are violent criminals. Knockout game?
You’re trying to turn a very complex issue into a simple example and I’m not playing your game. No knockout. No TKO.
I’ve noticed it’s always a complex issue when the reality doesn’t suit the Liberal mind. When it does fit the narrative of the left however it’s as simplistic as can be. i.e. the “Women make .77 cents for what a man makes.” rhetoric like it’s an unwritten law to underpay women; which isn’t true. Comparing women to men who have the same experience/job history/career path, etc, women generally make more.
Please cite the study where it was determined that, “Comparing women to men who have the same experience/job history/career path, etc, women generally make more.” I would be very interested to see the methodology since that is counter to what has been widely reported.
Well Thomas Sowell did studies that were a little more complex than “single women.” But to give you a perfect example, recently GM replaced their CEO (male) who was making 9.2 million a year with a new female CEO who’s starting salary is 14 million+. He also found a similar trend with African-Americans. The problem as he says, is that there just aren’t as many of those individuals that fall into those categories.
He literally debunked that left-wing class-warfare propaganda 30+ years ago.
But lets forget all that and assume you will dismiss Thomas Sowell as some “right-wing nutjob”. The White House were the ones to come out and make this bogus claim once again, and THEY were found to pay the women on staff $.88 to the $1 a man makes. Hmmmmmmmm, interesting no?
I would honestly recommend doing a youtube search for Thomas Sowell and “wage inequality” or “gender racial
gap”. Or you could always buy or check out a book of his to better understand.
There you go with your one-person generalizations again. I will agree there are some factors that help explain the huge disparity in wage, but that doesn’t mean there is not disparity due to discrimination as well. One does not necessarilty eliminate the other. See what another right-wing source has to say:
So, all those women who have sued their employers because the men made more for the same job don’t really exist? I’m pretty sure I read about one yesterday, some tech company (I think) replaced a male VP with a female VP and when the company was bought out, the female VP discovered how much less she made than her predecessor. And sued.
Ha, Mashable is a right-wing source? Maybe it’s right-wing compared to your ultra-liberal delusion.
Yeah, like Thomas Sowell is the bastion of left-wing philosophy! LOL! If you don’t like the message, discredit the source. Typical response.
Why don’t you respond to what’s in the article. Did you even read it?
I don’t know how this topic came up but Destro is actually correct on the un-equal pay towards women stance he is taking. Thomas Sowell is very versed in this topic and makes great points if you are willing to look up his youtube videos. Also here is a great recent article from Mises.org about this “un-equal” pay. (http://mises.org/daily/6737/Differences-Dont-Necessarily-Equal-Discrimination)
Here is my favorite quote from the article (it’s the last sentence too). “There is such a thing as discrimination and I agree it is a problem, but mere discrepancies don’t tell us anything close to the whole story. It’s about time we stopped pretending they do.”
I read that last sentence and it seems to be saying to me that yes, there is wage discrimination but it may not be as big a gap as we originally thought based on other factors (time in the work force, willingness/ableness to work longer hours, etc.) There is no doubt in my mind that wage discrimination occurs in the insurance business. I have seen it up close and personal many, many times.
Libby I agree and believe the article displays that yes discrimination happens and it’s a problem but not even close to the extent that is reported and definitely not enough to justify legislation.
Here are some other quotes good from the article (first two that prove the women’s un-equal pay stance is not put in a correct scope, and the rest show how it can be done to absurdity and that help support that last sentence):
“never-married men with no children between the ages of 40 and 64 have consistently earned less than never-married women with no children in the same age group. In 2001, such men earned $40,000 a year while such women earned $47,000 a year”
“women earn 134 percent of what men do when both work between 25 and 34 hours a week and 107 percent of what men do when both work between 35 and 39 hours a week”
“Gay men make just slightly more money than straight men”
“Tall men make more money than short men”
“Residents in northern states make more money than residents of southern states”
“Atheists make more money than Christians.”
“Japanese-Americans make more money than Korean-Americans”
“Jews make more money than other Americans”
“Lesbian women make more money than straight women”
“Older people make more money than younger people”
“Why do employers discriminate so erratically?”
Thank you LiveFree, I’m glad that somebody else has enough sanity to understand things as they are. And I’m not saying that discrimination is non-existent. It’s just that the way leftists propagate the false claim about wage gap disparity as if there is some unwritten law to pay women 3/4ths what men make is ludicrous.
And there’s a difference between common courtesy and respect.
Not in my book there isn’t. But you’re of another generation that doesn’t respect common courtesy.
And you’re of another species that doesn’t respect rationality.
What’s rational about defending Donald Spencer and Clive Bundy?
* Sterling, not Spencer.
And do you honestly expect to find common courtesy and respect on the internet? You’re even more deluded than I could have imagined. You might want to get checked for signs of dementia.
Who’s defending Sterling?
You are by calling me a racist for calling him out. And no, I don’t expect common courtesy from you. You’re of the no-manners generation.
I’m from the “no manners” generation? I have exemplary manners in real life, why do you feel I should grace some liberal troll like you with manners over the internet?
Pfff, acting all high and mighty about being respectful when half the stuff you post on here is designed to piss people off. Much less the personal attacks you say to Agent, FFA, and others.
Your generation must be known as the “Bull$#!% generation”.
I don’t design my comments in any way. If it pisses people off, so be it. It’s usually because they have thrown the first stone.
“why do you feel I should grace some liberal troll like you with manners over the internet?” That comment says it all.
Libby – I’m aggravated by the constant deluge of Millennial disparagement that comes from you and others on this website. I’m a Millennial (born in ’83). I went to college during high school and earned 66 credit (of 128 to needed graduate). I paid my way through college with money from construction jobs and student loans which I’m close to paying off. After college, I got a job as a rater. I then went through an UW training program and became a field underwriter. Now I’ve moved to HQ and am a staff UW. All that was with the same company where I have worked for almost nine years. I never moved back into my parent’s house. I haven’t received a dime of support (other than about 8k for my wedding between my parents and in laws) during that entire time.
It seems like you spend a huge part of your time commenting with a few others on this board every day. Google “site:insurancejournal.com libby comments” and you will find hundreds and hundreds of hits. Maybe you should stop commenting and get back to work?
And the point of your comment was…?
Just as you have a success story, so do many of us. Two of my children are millennials. One is doing ok, the other could be doing better. We know you’re not all crap employees. Just like boomers are not all awesome employees. If you read this blog, someone will invariably hurt your feelings and challenge you or what you believe. So, what?
I’m flattered that you googled me, Jon. I’m sorry you’re aggravated by my comments on millenials, but I would hardly call it a deluge or entirely disparaging. I commented on your generation’s lack of manners and I stick by that assertion. Other than that, what, specifically, have I disparaged you about?
And if you google “site:insurancejournal.com agent comments” you will see just as many, if not more. Talk about being disparaging to millenials, his comments have been totally derogatory. I don’t see you being rude to him, though. Perhaps you should mind your own business.
Why is anyone surprised that an 81 year old white male might be a bigot? Same with the Duck Dynasty comments, and same with the Clive Bundy comments. I personally consider them to be quite ignorant, but at the same time, understand that these people are entitled to their opinion. Why does our media sensationalize and give so much attention to people like this instead of the many who are out there doing good in the world?? We could use a little more news on that.
Wow Becky. A little harsh on the old white guys. Not all Whites are racist. Not all ignorant people are racist. One persons opinion is just that – one person. They do not qualify to represent an entire race – only themselves. Only when everyone understands this – that each person represents only themselves, will we be able to put racism, etc behind us.
Please don’t put words in my mouth, I never said “all whites are racist.” I would hope not because I am of white European decent and am in no way a racist. Nor did I say all ignorant people are racist. What I said was that there’s a good chance that an 81 year old white male could be a bigot. That generation was raised in a different time and I don’t see how we can expect them to just wipe out the values they were raised with. If you fall in that white, 80+ year old category and are more enlightened than many of your peers, then that’s fantastic and I applaud you.
Here’s what you said Becky:
“Why is anyone surprised that an 81 year old white male might be a bigot?”
In essence what the above says is that we should not be surprised that ANY 81 year old white male could be a bigot. Right?
Feel free to debate this more, or maybe you’re better off saying you didn’t explain it well. Anybody who doesn’t know you could very well assume based on YOUR WORDS taht you expect many 81 year old white males to be bigotted.
Anyway, THIS guy is a bigot. How he could be so bigotted and and stupid enough to say the things he did and be so successful I don’t get. Not sure if the NBA can legally take away his team, but if he has half a brain, he’ll know that no future NBA player will want ever want to play for the Clippers while he owns the team. I hope he comes to an agreement to get out.
What I’m saying is that I would not be surprised to run into an 81 year old bigot. That’s all. Not that I expect every 81 year old I run into to be a bigot. For those who are more visual…picture a Venn diagram. The circle of bigots would overlap with the circle of 81 year olds, but not completely cover each other.
Clive Bundy isn’t an old, white racist. He is a deadbeat rancher who is scamming everyone of us for not paying his low fees to graze his cattle on federal lands!
…who also just so happens to be a racist.
…old, white racist.
.. old white racist? Who is the racist? You people are pathetic.
Uh, I thought that was perfectly clear. Donald Sterling and Clive Bundy. Are you saying they’re not??? If so, you’re an idiot.
Anyone claiming that they have absolutely no racist views is a liar, plain and simple. People who pretend they don’t are just the kind of douchebags who feel the need to don their white knight armor and whine with righteous vitriol.
Righteous vitriol??? Isn’t that an oxymoron?
And I never claimed to be without bias. But I am not a racist.
I didn’t say you were a racist, but to say that you have never had a racist thought, no matter how harmless, is disingenuous.
It would be disingenuous. That’s why I’ve never said it. Don’t try to put words in my mouth.
Then don’t go around slandering people as racists based on nothing more than out-of-context and edited sound bytes and acting like you’re some queen of racial tolerance.
Oh, shut up Destro. Just where did I slander anyone? He IS a racist. They do exist. Get over it.
Sterling’s a racist, Bundy isn’t.
The fact that you do not think Cliven Bundy is a racist says more about you than him.
The fact that you are so easily manipulated by the media into thinking that he is a racist says volumes about you. There’s a difference between talking about race and “racist.”
The fact that you have been so thoroughly indoctrinated to reject all things remotely left is a shame. You will argue against anyone that even hints at a liberal ideal. It’s not only immature, but pig-headed as well. There is no black and white, left and right. The fact the man is racist is an undisputed fact for everyone except you.
It’s not that I’ve been indoctrinated to reject anything remotely left. If anything, the media and our society attempts to indoctrinate us in all things left. It’s just a matter of eventually having your eyes opened to the complete and utter bullcrap that leftists relentlessly try and push.
Apparently having a differing opinion is immature and pig-headed? You silly liberals and your group-think mentality. You can pretend that Clive Bundy is the Imperial Grand Wizard of the KKK or whatever but he is far less racist than the majority of liberals (in my experience) who can do and say whatever they want while the media looks the other way.
Like him or not, he still has rights as an American Citizen. That should be all that is being debated about that situation. Not if he’s a bigot, a racist, a nice guy, or not.
I agree, see my comment below. But you have to admit Clive Bundy is an old, white, deadbeat racist, don’t you???
Hi Libby–as much as I tried not to believe that Clive Bundy is an old, white, deadbeat racist–I just couldn’t do it…he IS an old, white, deadbeat racist..
How is he a racist? Why does he have black gun owners defending him? Maybe YOU’RE the racist Libby.
Seriously, Destro? Do you beat the GOP drum and stay glued to FoxNews just to seem cool or against the norm? Talk to me in a few years when you’re all grown up. Being contrary just to be contrary is very immature.
You didn’t answer my question. Why does Clive Bundy have young black gun owners saying that he’s not a racist (though he may use some racially insensitive words)? Why would they say they would take a bullet for him?
If you’re asking why I’m not a flaming liberal spouting off idealistic and socialistic garbage, I guess the answer would be because I’ve seen enough of the pure failure/lies/agenda being pushed by the left in the name of tolerance/peace/love/etc but ultimately having the exact opposite effect as they intend to set out to help/fix.
Clive Bundy has offended Americans for Prosperity. They are now pretending he doesn’t exist and they never supported him. That’s pretty much a hint that Clive Bundy is too radical and most likely a racist.
Sorry, KY. That was directed at Destro and his drivel about about black gun owners supporting Clive Bundy.
There is video evidence in an interview. The CNN or MSNBC host tries to goad him into calling Bundy a racist and it completely backfires on him.
And linking to Rachel Maddow like she’s even a moderately respectable/objective journalist? haha gtfo of here.
One guy? That’s your black gun owners? LOL!!!
Well A) I didn’t say that every single black gun owner is saying that, and B) I’m pretty positive there was more than 1 black guy at that whole showdown.
Well, Destro, since you can’t accept the MSNBC information, I went to the AFP website. I searched for “Clive Bundy” in the search cell. No matches. I guess that means Rachel Maddow was right. Huh. Imagine that.
The best propagandists incorporate at least a little truth in their agenda pushing.
I assume you are referring to yourself, Destro. I could not find anything online to support your assertion that black gun owners support Clive Bundy, who, by the way, is an absolute racist right down to the Webster’s definition.
“They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton.”
Just the use of “they” to describe an entire race is in and of itself racist. If you can’t see that, you are beyond hope. I hope all millenials are not as dim witted.
In New York City last year, there were more black babies aborted than were born. Black on black crime accounts for over 90% of all crime committed by black Americans.
As far as his “never learned how to pick cotton” comment, I agree his choice of words weren’t the best and I could see how one could jump on the finger-pointing “he’s a racist” bandwagon. But the sentiments show someone who is more than tolerant. He defends Hispanic people as being very hard working and more family oriented, and he’s pointing out that even with (or as a direct effect of) the 40+ years of “affirmative action” policies and welfare programs, the black community/culture is in terrible shape. And he’s right.
Does spamming the thumbs up for your posts and thumbs down for my posts give you a sense of righteousness?
First of all, I don’t spam myself. You can’t on IJ. It will only let you vote once. Perhaps it’s more about you than it is about me.
Secondly, if I were living in poverty, in the hood, on welfare with no future prospects I might consider abortion, too. But then again, if I was raised in a middle class home, with a college education, and access to opportunity, I probably wouldn’t.
This says more about entire generations of impoverished citizens, who do tend to be minorities, than it does about race.
I’ll say “more about your defense of Clive Bundy” than about me.
Clive Bundy referred to an entire race of people when he said “They”. That’s what makes him a racist. He didn’t say “The blacks I have met” he swept the entire race into his disparaging remarks. How you can not acknowledge that as racist is beyond me.
When I called him an old, white, racist, I was referring to one man. Not all old white men. Do you see the difference or are you going to continue to deny that Bundy is racist?
People make sweeping generalizations all the time. What about the entire “white privilege” garbage that is the current rhetoric designed to do literally nothing but try and make white people feel guilty for being white? By your own reasoning, the current administration is both sexist and racist. You need to calm down big time on the race thing because your level of cognitive dissonance is astronomical.
Destro – using those big phrases your learned in Pysche 101, again, huh?
I find it amusing you constantly leap to conclusions about the results of using my “logic” with such illogical results.
Tell me, step-by-step, how you arrived at “By your own reasoning, the current administration is both sexist and racist.” For the life of me I can’t figure out how you got that out of anything I’ve said.
Nobody is trying to guilt anyone about being white. The fact that you defend racist remarks and then holler reverse discrimination fascinates me. Tell me, have you ever been out of your suburbian neighborhood?
I know you’re college educated and all, but didn’t anyone tell you you should open yours ears and close your mouth about things you know nothing about? Look around a litte and tell me there is no such thing as white priviledge and minority oppression. You will only continue to make yourself look foolish.
I wasn’t talking to you in regards to generalizing old white males as racist. I was referring to every other person who generally parrots your insanity in saying things like:
Everyone is a bigot in one way or another including you, it’s part of how we have evolved as a species. Now get off your throne of racial justice.
I’m sorry that using words with more than 2 vowels is hard for you. As far as the administration, sexist with their campaign of “Women get paid 77 cents for every dollar a man makes.” when it’s demonstrably untrue and add to that the fact that women in the WH are making 88cents on the dollar the men in the WH make using the same metrics. Racist? I could give a number of examples, primarily the AG on multiple occasions whether it be trying to crucify George Zimmerman on race charges until it became extraordinarily apparent that he was the worst possible person to put up as a poster-boy of a racist. Then there’s his recent comments at Al Sharpton’s (arguably the biggest racist in the US if not the world) National Action Network event. Then there’s Obummer’s program to help exclusively black and hispanic kids. I don’t know race based politics and policies just seem a bit, I don’t know…racist?
My entire life I have been very much anti-racist, outspokenly even. But then I DID close my mouth, open my ears (and eyes) to see who the true racists are. The vile and deplorable scum like Al Sharpton and those like him who make their careers around stoking racial tensions and resentment. The people who are constantly yelling at us about how racist America is when often times racism outside of our country is vastly more extreme and apparent.
I see you are unable to coherently answer my question. Again. How, exactly, is it MY logic that the current administration is racist and sexist? Not the logic of some fantasy you have about what a liberal thinks or doesn’t think.
To be quite frank, I don’t think the majority of people are racist or sexist. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist – on both sides of the fence. For you to argue otherwise is immature and foolish.
Is Al Sharpton a racist? Yes, absolutely. But so is Clive Bundy. If you spent less time generalizing and more time accepting the nuances of shades of gray, you’d be much better off. The world is not lived in black and white. (Pun intended.)
“Women get paid 77 cents for every dollar a man makes.” when it’s demonstrably untrue…”
Tell that to this woman. You crack me up. So staunch in your position despite all the evidence to the contrary. Stupid or just stubborn? Or maybe both. That’s it! Both!
“I see you are unable to coherently answer my question. Again. How, exactly, is it MY logic that the current administration is racist and sexist? Not the logic of some fantasy you have about what a liberal thinks or doesn’t think.”
I’m not sure if you’re just not reading my answers or senility and dementia are setting in. As I said, women at the WH get paid $.88 cents to every $1 a man at the WH makes. Much of the policies of this administration have been racially motivated or outright biased towards particular racial groups.
“To be quite frank, I don’t think the majority of people are racist or sexist. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist – on both sides of the fence. For you to argue otherwise is immature and foolish.”
Ok, at this point I have to assume dementia has set in. My arguments this entire time is that there is racism on both sides. I never said it doesn’t exist, just not to the extent that liberals continually shriek about. And in those cases, only when a conservative/republican says something. Whether it be something legitimately hateful or just something that can be misconstrued by thin-skinned liberal crybabies metaphorically holding a blank picket sign with a permanent marker in hand just waiting to protest.
“If you spent less time generalizing and more time accepting the nuances of shades of gray, you’d be much better off. The world is not lived in black and white. (Pun intended.)”
Are you crazy or something? I accept the nuances and shades of gray, you’re the one who is so quick to label people as racists (or supremacists by the tone you use). As I stated before, everyone is technically a racist in one way or another. Doesn’t that sounds much more like the gray area scenario than a black and white “he’s a racist!!!” holier than thou statement.
What does any of that drivel have to do with ME? I think you might be the delirious one here.
“women at the WH get paid $.88 cents to every $1 a man at the WH makes.” That just proves there is wage disparity against women. WTF??
“My arguments this entire time is that there is racism on both sides.” Just when and where did I say there wasn’t?
“I accept the nuances and shades of gray, you’re the one who is so quick to label people as racists.” Quick to label? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s an f-ing duck!
““women at the WH get paid $.88 cents to every $1 a man at the WH makes.” That just proves there is wage disparity against women. WTF??”
You are an idiot, I’m pointing out that based on your idiot logic and simplified figures even the White House who is championing this bogus claim appears to be guilty of it. You asked how the white house was racist and/or sexist. By your logic and simplified figures they are provably sexist.
““My arguments this entire time is that there is racism on both sides.” Just when and where did I say there wasn’t?”
You seem to be quick on the jump to call any conservative who dare mention race a racist and I haven’t seen you point out any racism on the left so it’s easy to correlate.
““I accept the nuances and shades of gray, you’re the one who is so quick to label people as racists.” Quick to label? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s an f-ing duck!”
It could be a goose…
“based on your idiot logic and simplified figures” – my logic is neither idiotic nor simplified. I agreed the disparity was caused by many factors and the actual gap is not as wide as had originally been portrayed. But there still was a disparity.
“You seem to be quick on the jump to call any conservative who dare mention race a racist and I haven’t seen you point out any racism on the left so it’s easy to correlate.” – I remember calling Al Sharpton a racist. You probably skipped over that part in your haste to make another pithy retort.
More generalizations from you. More immaturity. You are so quick to jump down a liberal’s throat you don’t bother to listen to what they’re saying. If you expect to have a respectful and beneficial debate you need to keep your ears open while the other person is speaking and not reply based on what you THINK they were going to say.
Trust me I am not a liberal,
He admittedly broke the law. He is a criminal. Bye Bye rights!
I also find it hysterical that he does not recognize the federal government, yet he alsways carries or has an American flag with him. He is just another right-wing hypocrite.
Libby is also a bigot when it comes to political beliefs. She probably calls them white & upperclass. That is racism. I have also seen her iscult “rednecks” from West Virginia. I think she is probably more racist than most.
IJS – being a redneck is a choice. Being black or gay is not. I can insult rednecks all I want and not be racist. Do you even know the meaning of the word “racist.” Last I checked, redneck is not a race. You have got to be one of the dumbest posters on here.
Ron, I was with you (and, that NEVER happens..) until your “He is just another right-wing hypocrite” comment. Hypocrisy has no political preference. There are left-wing-nut hypocrites and right-wing hypocrites. I don’t see any difference.
Last time I checked, “gay” wasn’t a race either.
Ok, Destro, I’ll agree that one cannot be considered racist for discriminating against gays.
I also agree with your assessment that, “Hypocrisy has no political preference. There are left-wing-nut hypocrites and right-wing hypocrites. I don’t see any difference.” I just like to poke the right-wing bears on this blog sometimes.
I’ll even take it a step further and say we are ALL hypocrites to some extent. Those who do not think they are have no ability to assess themselves objectively.
What’s your point, Destro? Or are you just being contrary to be contrary? Typical Grasshopper behavior.
However, there is no proof that being gay is a choice, whereas political affiliation and being a “redneck” are absolute choices.
Maybe there’s something in the water here at work today?? Is it really possible that Ron and I are…are…agreeing? I guess all things are possible…look at me and Libby!! I think we can actually call each other..blog friends!
Blog buddies! I think there is alot of common ground between all of us. But there are differences, too. And that’s what makes the world go round!
Is acting ultra-feminine with the stereotypical gay lisp a choice?
I am not sure where you are going with that question, but I will answer based on my perception of whta you are asking.
1. I do not know if it is a choice or not.
2. Even if it is a choice, not all gay men have those traits.
Hey, Destro, is acting like an idiot online a choice?
You tell me.
Really?? That’s you’re comeback? Why not bust out the old, “I know you are, but what am I?”
Go back to the sandbox.
Hey man, I’m rubber and you’re glue…
Breaking a law that you don’t feel is a just law is not hypocritical to me. In fact nullification is a constitutional right of every citizen even though judges wish it wasn’t (mention it once during jury duty and see how fast you get asked to leave). The thinking that breaking the law = a criminal is absurd to me because most of the time I first think the law = criminal (unconstitutional).
Calling yourself an American and then not recognizing the government of the United States seems a little hypocritical to me. What makes him an American if he doesn’t recognize it’s government? Then he’s just a guy that lives at a longitude & a latitude.
Well the American Revolution was kind of built upon that same premises of not recognizing a government’s power in certain situations. And I don’t think he is not recognizing the existents of a government at all (unless he is insane and I missed that) but just their power over the land. Seems about as American as you can get (whatever that means haha I hate using “American” as an adjective).
“It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.”
It would seem to me that Mr. Bundy also owns land. Would he take kindly to his neighbor bringing over their sheep to graze on his land or their pots over to take water from his pond or just jump in and take a swim in his pond?
How are his rights to own land any more important or enforceable than the federal government’s?
I personally consider your statements to be quite ignorant.
Ditto. You’re an idiot.
He doesn’t know why. He just likes to argue with me. Go easy on him. He’s still wet behind the ears.
At least one of us is wet anywhere.
Given the racial mix in the NBA, its hard to believe that – even being 81 & white – he still is a racist. Even more amazing is the fact that he would say such a thing that could be leaked to the general public. even more amazing is that he is 81 years old and still has girl friends…
It’s not really surprising that he could invest in the NBA and be a racist. Slave owners were (obviously) racist and had no problem making money off of black people. He’s making money off this team and that’s probably all it means to him.
Whats surprising to me Becky is that there is still money for him to make especially off of Magic. Why kill the goose that laid the golden egg? I agree with Libbys comments below.
No kidding – I agree with Libby, too.
Becky, you do have a way with words. NBA players are equal to slaves?????
Who taught you reading comprehension? Agent?
Becky was making a comparison of slave owners to NBA owners solely from the standpoint that both are making money because of the work of black men. She made no mention of compensation, work conditions, or anything else to compare NBA players and slaves.
Ahhh yes, those slaves who make more money than 99.5% of the entire country. Those millionaire slaves who are quartered in the mansions they have bought, driving ultra luxury sports cars and dating supermodels. Don’t let them fool you, those warm up chants you hear coming from the locker room are actually spiritual hymns being sung.
That’s the most garbage and race-baiting analogy I’ve probably ever heard. With that bogus logic, every single business owner should be considered a slave owner.
You really are the bastion of all things logic, aren’t you? You’re a fool.
Ok, it’s official. Destro is a troll. This remark on slaves is the tipping point for me. I don’t know why I didn’t see it sooner, but there it is. Only a troll would deliberately misconstrue a statement to make an offensive post. *rolls eyes*
Misconstrue?! Becky likened NBA team owners, and essentially anyone who makes money off of the labor of black individuals, as slave owners. And MY post was offensive?!
How else should I have construed her statements?
Destro – do you really believe the crap you spew on here? You’re either a troll or an idiot. Your choice.
Becky compared NBA players to slaves, Ron affirmed that statement saying “both are making money because of the work of black men.” (what about white basketball players? or do they not exist in this race-baiting analogy?), and I’M the idiot? Riiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhht.
In no way, shape or form did I affirm any comparisioon of NBA players to slaves. Slaves are not defined as slaves solely on the basis that somone else is making money off of their work. If that were the case, then nearly all of us, including white NBA players, are slaves. Of course, that is not the case in this country.
Definition of slave: : someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person without pay.
“Becky was making a comparison of slave owners to NBA owners solely from the standpoint that both are making money because of the work of black men.”
Do you know what the term “solely” means? Why did you leave that part out when you quoted me? Is it because it destroys your argument trying to criticize Becky for something she didn’t say? Do you realize that there are MANY more characteristics that would define a slave?
You must be a special kind of stupid. I literally copied and pasted your response and the word “solely” is in that quote. Good job on making yourself look like an idiot though.
You must be a special kind of dense. Your exact quote in your comment above that was:
“Ron affirmed that statement saying “both are making money because of the work of black men.”
You totally took his words out of context.
I apologize for the confusion. My intent was to refer to your 8:05 am post where you stated, “Becky compared NBA players to slaves, Ron affirmed that statement saying ‘both are making money because of the work of black men.'”
However, is my error the only thing you took from my post? What about the part that there are more characteristics that make someone a slave other than the fact that soemone else is making money from their work? Any thoughts on that part?
Hey, Whodathunkit?. I agree with Ron’s explanation.
(well, not the part where he called you Agent, although….)
I did not call Whodathunkit Agent. I was asking if Agent taught Whodathunkit reading comprehension.
Yeah, sorry. I noticed that after I posted. I saw the ? after comprehension as a comma for some bizarre reason.
Wow, Whodathunkit. You should have “thunk” a little longer before responding to my comment.
Your comment was inflammatory and off-base.
If your brain functioned properly, you would have been able to comprehend Becky’s comment. However, you are just another closed-minded, right-wing lemming who is not capable of having a respectful debate.
If there’s one thing about having a respectful debate it’s calling people who don’t agree with you “close minded, right-wing lemmings” and other names throughout these posts. Get real Ron, you’re a joke.
If the shoe fits…
I always begin with having a respectful debate until people start insulting me, taking my posts out of context, or show a complete lack of reading comprehension. I will not back down from anyone.
no surprise here that an 81 yr old wm is a bigot. this guy has a history of remarks regarding several races and woman too. i think in addition to the nba sanctions, the team ought to boycott the next playoff game and demand free agency. this is nothing more than a bunch of unacceptable bee ess!
No surprise that he is a long time Democrat donor/supporter.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China???
Is that why he is a registered Republican, Destro? Too much Fox News watching lately? Have you been Hannitized?
According to one of the sports news sites, he’s a slum lord, too. Not exactly the class of owner the NBA should be supporting.
Yah he definitely seems like a scumbag.
I never said he wasn’t a scumbag!!
Isn’t it time we ignore this kind of news in the media. Seriously, the text of the phone conversation may have been taken incorrectly — and who had the copy of the recording anyhow? I think we should leave people alone and stop being so anul to such ridiculous actions, regardless who is saying them, doing them, or thinking them. This is the type of things ruining this country. Let’s just let them play basketball — and isn’t it interesting whoever came forward with the tape may be in competiton with the Clippers. HMMMMM!!!! Better to let them beat you than be an ass about it and try to cause trouble for the owner. Who cares what he says to a girlfriend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Conspiracy theories and ignore tactics. Interesting suggestions.
I’m really curious about why his girlfriend felt the need to tape their conversations. It may not be any of my business, but hey, when you’re in the public eye, that’s the price you pay: no privacy.
Conspiracy theories and ignore tactics? Isn’t that what comprises 50% of liberal strategy?
And 99% of Conservative strategy.
You are delusional.
You are a blind lemming for the right.
99% of conservative strategy is liberals trying to implement poorly planned policies, and it is pretty darn effective.
Maybe you should spend more time strategizing about your election candidates and less time on fighting windmills.
While I find his comments abhorrant and extremely ignorant, the guy is entitled to his opinion and free to express it to his girlfriend in private. Why are his personal opinions any business of the NBA or Carmax or State Farm? If he actively discriminated against people in the running of his business, that would be another thing.
Wow! I agree. Although I find his statements deplorable, I guess he has the right to say them, especially in what he thought was a private phone conversation. Much the same way Jesse Jackson has the right to call New York Hymie-Town or Louis Farakhan has the right to be an anti-Semite and say so from whatever stage he wishes. I’m all for free speech.
Again, I hope he has the brains to get out as no decent NBA player will want to play for the Clippers while he is the owner which will do the fans and the rest of the NBA a great disservice. And I understand State Farm and Carmax feeling uncomfortable being associated with an organization whose owner has been attributed with such remarks. The sooner he gets out and has fun elsewhere with his billions, the better off we all will probably be.
Libby, he is “entitled” to his opinions. But people are also “entitled” to their response. And endorsements, by nature of their business, also endorses the philosophy of the agents of that business. If State Farm associates itself with the Clippers then they are also ignoring the opinions of a man with bigoted opinion; this is bad for the State Farm brand.
It’s only business.
I get it. But sanctions by the NBA?
Well, the MLB did apply serious pressure to Marge Schott about her comments. Which were considerably worse, by the way. She only sold out because her co-owners finally had enough and forced her hand.
I doubt the NBA will sanction this owner. Honestly, I don’t know if that’s the right call or not.
Are there rules for owners? Did he sign some type of contract to adhere to those rules? Did he actually break any rules? We’ll see what the NBA has to say soon.
He is subject to a franchise contract and their conditions. The NBA and its owners have considerable power over an individual owner. Generally speaking, these sanctions would be decided by the owners. The commissioner serves at the bequest of the owners.
FYI, at the time of this comment, Sterling was banned for life and will be forced to sell.
I saw that Mr. Silver announced Sterling has been banned for life and must sell. That fine is pretty decent, too. I am surprised at this. I’m okay with it, just surprised.
Do you really think the punishment fits the “crime”?
He will still walk away with hundreds of millions in profits when he sells the team.
I take it you don’t.
I’ll say he’ll make a profit. He bought the team for $12M and it’s valued at over $500M 20 years later. Sounds like decent appreciation to me.
So are we talking about a percentage based on ownership value or is $2.5 million the new standard for an NBA owner mentioning race? I think both the NBA sanctions against him as well as the fine seems excessive. At most it should have just been the NBA sanctions, but people are greedy and will try to find any way to fleece money from the individual to stuff the coffers of the elite in charge. Oh but why am I telling you this, that sort of thing is just par for the course for liberals.
$2.5 million is the maximum fine allowed. It could have been higher.
The sanctions and fine are also due to his past actions. The NBA, as a private corporation, has every right to protect its brand as it sees fit. Do you think the government should step in and stop them from taking action? That is the only other recourse because the free market will not stop or punish the NBA for these actions. It called for them.
I don’t know the NBA bylaws so I can’t quite comment.
But do I think the government should step in and take action? No, but I’m honestly surprised they haven’t considering their bloodlust whenever race is merely mentioned anywhere.
You do not need to know all of the by-laws, follow the story in the news.
You said, “But do I think the government should step in and take action? No, but I’m honestly surprised they haven’t considering their bloodlust whenever race is merely mentioned anywhere.” More displaced fear from the right.
What in the world has happened to this blog since I left?
Did you really just say that Destro had ” republican misplaced fear” for saying that the government shouldn’t fine someone 2.5 million dollars and force them to sell their team for saying “don’t bring black people to my games” to is girlfriend on instagram?
That’s paranoia that we shouldn’t allow the government to do that?
Are you out of your damn mind? The government should not be in the business of punishing people who say racist things, or punishing racist people (unless they actually do harm to those people). Yet another “independent” who thinks freedom of speech ends with with a hammer on a nail. The government being the hammer, you being the nail.
By the way: STOP INSULTING CONSERVATIVES ON THIS SITE AND THEN CLAIMING YOU ARE A MODERATE.
You continually say “another right wing zealot”
I have not ONCE seen you say another left wing zealot, or a secularist. But you say a lot about religion.
What a punk.
Bob – CAN YOU READ?
It is misplaced fear if you think the government is going to swoop in and fine people for being racist. No-one is remotely suggesting that they do that. That was Ron’s point.
The NBA fined this guy, not the government.
We wer having fun without you. Thanks for coming back to ruin it.
Did you read the entire string of comments? The proper context is that he is honestly surprised that the government did not stop the NBA from taking action.
I was making the point to those compaining about the sanctions and fine against Donald Sterling that they were free market based, not from the government. Does that make more sense to you? Will you now apologize for misinterpreting my post?
This is America. If I want to criticize anyone then claim I am an Independent, I will and you cannot stop me.
I never said I was a moderate. I am an Independent who calls them as I see them. I have criticized left wingers here when they make inaccurate statements. It is not my fault that the Conservatives on here are too emotional and Liberals are more analytical. They make it difficult because the Liberals on here back up their positions with facts, data and sources. Outside of you, no other right winger does that. They just spew rhetoric without support.
The only comment I make about religion is that I believe religious freeedom equals freedom from religion.
“It is misplaced fear if you think the government is going to swoop in and fine people for being racist.”
Well considering how much the government wanted to try and go after George Zimmerman for a race-based hate crime, it’s not much of a stretch that they would also try to do something similar to a highly publicized racial media story.
“The proper context is that he is honestly surprised that the government did not stop the NBA from taking action. ”
That is absolutely not what I was saying. How you could interpret that from what I said is mind boggling. Though it’s typical from liberals to entirely misinterpret something said by a conservative to fit their own delusions.
“It is not my fault that the Conservatives on here are too emotional and Liberals are more analytical.”
“They make it difficult because the Liberals on here back up their positions with facts, data and sources.”
I think you forgot to add quotation marks around “facts,” and “data.” I would school you with sources if my internet access wasn’t very limited to essentially just this site.
You can claim you’re an “independent” all you want but as Libby says, “if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…”
George Zimmerman. Another one of your heroes? You’ve got a quite the list. Sterling, Bundy, Zimmerman. The picture is becoming much clearer.
You said, “So are we talking about a percentage based on ownership value or is $2.5 million the new standard for an NBA owner mentioning race? I think both the NBA sanctions against him as well as the fine seems excessive.”
My response, “The sanctions and fine are also due to his past actions. The NBA, as a private corporation, has every right to protect its brand as it sees fit. Do you think the government should step in and stop them from taking action? That is the only other recourse because the free market will not stop or punish the NBA for these actions. It called for them.”
You response, “But do I think the government should step in and take action? No, but I’m honestly surprised they haven’t considering their bloodlust whenever race is merely mentioned anywhere.”
That is from where I get “The proper context is that he is honestly surprised that the government did not stop the NBA from taking action.”
Summary: you stated you believe the sanctions are excessive. I said it was a private corporation that imposed said sanctions and asked you if you think the government should stop the NBA from imposing said sanctions. Then you answered no, but are honestly surprised that they did not.
If that is not what you meant, then please clarify. If you were not clear in your message or did not comprehend my post correctly, then admit it as I have.
Your only response to my post,“It is not my fault that the Conservatives on here are too emotional and Liberals are more analytical.” is LOL?;
“They make it difficult because the Liberals on here back up their positions with facts, data and sources.” is, I think you forgot to add quotation marks around “facts,” and “data.” I would school you with sources if my internet access wasn’t very limited to essentially just this site.
Typical Conservative. Your responses consist of an acronym and more excuses, but zero substance.
Thank you for more evidence to support my position on Conservatives.
Ron: Don’t you know that the only reason liberals can back up their statements with sources and data is because the ENTIRE MEDIA is leftist. Where could they possibly find data to back up their conservative rhetoric? It’s all our fault.
Cherrypick your sources all you want to push your agenda, I really don’t care what some progressive sociopath has deluded themselves into believing. Maybe it’s that you just refuse to see the other side of the coin or that you are genuinely touched in the head. Either way, seek help/enlightenment.
Cherrypick my sources??? At least I provide sources. I don’t just spout off some rhetoric I heard from someone as gospel without checking it out myself.
I have another explanation. Increases in cynicism, on-set dementia, and displays of intolerance and paranoia are some unfortunate things that sometime accompanies old age, regardless of race, that can manifest themselves in blunt tactless comments. For example Hammering Hank Aaron’s recent comments on Republicans: “The bigger difference is that back then they had hoods. Now they have neckties and starched shirts.” Of course Hank might have been right on with Donald Sterling (not sure if Sterling is a Republican though!)
Sterling is a card carrying Democrat who has donated heavily to those in the party. Will be interesting to see if any who he donated to will return those funds.
Ummm…no. He’s all yours.
He is a liberal and a Democrat. The donations he’s made and support he’s given to the Democrat party isn’t up for debate, it’s fact.
A liberal Democrat heralded by the GOP media! LOL!!! Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly love this guy. I guess polical affiliation has no place amongst racists. After all, they all look the same with the hood on.
And after all, the KKK WAS started by southern Democrats. And of course (D)Lyndon B Johnson (along with other democRAT congressmen) voted against the civil rights act introduced by Eisenhower and republicans in the late 50’s so they could push through an altered bill a few years later when he was in office claiming, “I’m going to have these [n-words] voting democrat for the next 200 years.”
It just further goes to show that racism has no political affiliation.
Who ever said it did???
When you say “card carrying” I’m guessing you’re not referring to voter registration cards since Libby found an article that states he’s a registered Republican.
Although, I should leave this alone since Ralph also noted that it isn’t important. It isn’t because that has nothing to do with the NBA. It’s up to the new NBA commissioner to decide if Sterling has crossed any lines. At least, I hope he doesn’t make his decision based on Sterling’s voter registration.
Republican or Democrat, one thing we can all agree on is that Sterling’s an asshat. No single political party can lay sole claim to that label.
Well, I beg to differ — the Republicans kept shooting themselves in the foot during the 2012 elections and now it appears they still are determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
The media kept shooting Republicans in the foot.*
The media? Really? That’s all you got? It’s all a media conspiracy? How about your party’s candidates suck? Take responsibility for your actions, Republicans. That’s your mantra to everyone else, yet you blame your troubles on the media. LOL!!! Hypocrites!
I never said that the party’s candidates haven’t sucked. It is verifiably true that the media has an overwhelming tendency to lean left and completely skew an issue to portray a false narrative and/or push an agenda. The most glaringly apparent recent example of this was the Treyvon Martin/George Zimmerman case.
“It is verifiably true that the media has an overwhelming tendency to lean left and completely skew an issue to portray a false narrative and/or push an agenda.”
If that statement is true, you shouldn’t have any problem providing sources for it. Or are you like Agent? All rhetoric and no substance?
I gave a bright and shining example of that bias by referencing the Treyvon Martin/George Zimmerman case. I suppose you want examples from that case? Doing any basic research on the media’s involvement with that case will show that to you but I’ll briefly summarize some of the main points.
*The media instantly used a very dated photo of Martin to give the impression that Zimmerman had killed a pre-pubescent child, not the 5’11” fight-club running/promoting/participant who was shown to [illegally] have a Glock, growing pot, creating “lean” (an intoxicating drink made from fermenting cough syrup, SKITTLES, and fruit juice cocktail). Treyvon was shown to have been involved in online communities devoted to the production of “lean”.
On top of that weeks prior to the incident, a search of his school locker turned up stolen jewelry as well as burglary tools. Of course it wasn’t labeled as stolen property but instead “found” property because of course the school wanted to downplay the statistics of crime amongst their students. The media ignored all of this because it ran counter to the narrative. But lets forget all that because that information only came to light months after the incident. Let’s take a closer look at media manipulation/bias and their agenda in the weeks directly following the incident.
NBC got a hold of the 911 call that Zimmerman made before the altercation and subsequently edited out large parts of the conversation to have Zimmerman be saying, “I don’t know, this guy looks like he’s up to no good, he’s wearing a hoodie, he looks black.” Now of course the parts that NBC left out of the manufactured audio from the call included the 9/11 operator asking him what race the suspect was. That’s prime evidence #1. In addition to that aspect of the 9/11 call, there is also the all but inaudible part that Brian Ross of NBC took to a sound tech and conjectured Zimmerman said, “F***in’ coons,” only a week or two later to be further examined as him saying, “it’s f***in’ cold.” They did issue a very minor retraction for it, but by that time the damage was already done and in the public eye Zimmerman was already stigmatized as a hateful bigot.
Another prime piece of evidence came almost immediately after the incident when NBC took the mugshot of Zimmerman and put a filter over it to whiten the tone of his skin color to make him appear white, or at least much whiter than the golden brown skin tone that he actually has. If you can explain that away as anything other than trying to create the false racial narrative I’d love to hear it because I can’t think for the life of me why they would do that other than trying to incense people for ratings by stoking racial tensions.
NBC continued to use the pre-pubescent photo of Treyvon throughout their coverage and alternately the mugshot photo of the scowling, upset Zimmerman throughout their reporting to further paint the picture of some evil power-mad pig man who hunted down and killed the cherubic child.
Then there’s MSNBC who gave Al Sharpton, of all people, a show for him to push his agenda of racial division and conflate innocuous stories into racial ones. Al Sharpton, who has made his entire life and career off of race-baiting and creating racial tensions where there shouldn’t be.
It seems you are the one so quick to label. And label the entire media based on the reporting of one case! Seriously, grow up!
That one case is just 1 example in a sea of liberal media misinformation and bias. It just happens to be a very widely known about case so I used that particular one. You asked for an example, I gave it, then you criticize me for not providing every single example throughout the history of the press.
Let’s take a look waaaayyy wayyy back to the early 20th century. At a little paper called “The New York Times” in which he served as the Moscow Bureau Chief. He won a Pulitzer Prize in 1932 for his reporting in a series of stories on the Soviet Union. Through these stories Duranty portrayed the Soviet Union as a shining beacon of peace, love, and happiness in a workers utopia. Of course he never once mentioned the facts regarding famine and the mass starvation of Ukraine and other atrocities committed against the people of the USSR by their government.
Anyone with half a brain can see by the media’s treatment (read non-coverage/downplaying) of the litany of “phony scandals” (including but not limited to: the IRS targeting of conservatives (Dr. Ben Carson and Dinesh D’Souza come to mind) and various conservative groups, Operation Fast and Furious, and the fairly apparent cover up of the Bhengazi terrorist attack.
I did not ask for an example. I asked for a source. If you can not provide one, then say so.
And your comment about a “litany of “phony scandals” says it all. It would be irresponsible for the media to comment on phony scandals.
If a drunk driver kills a person, is charged with vehicular manslaughter, but says “These are phony charges,” that doesn’t make him any less guilty.
“It would be irresponsible for the media to comment on phony scandals.”
Right, it’s much more responsible to cover a missing plane non-stop for weeks on end or the latest celebrity gossip. I hear MSNBC’s Meet The Press just added The Black Eyed Peas’ Will.I.Am to their panel. So responsible.
I’m sorry that was NBC not MSNBC. Such journalistic integrity.
You know Meet the Press ratings are in the tank right now, right?. Of course they had Will.i.am on the show. Even though Ted Russert is rolling over in his grave right now, that move had no political value or motivation. And it certainly doesn’t sully anyone’s journalistic reputation.
“If a drunk driver kills a person, is charged with vehicular manslaughter, but says “These are phony charges,” that doesn’t make him any less guilty.”
If you say I was drunk and I drove and killed a man, it doesn’t make me guilty IF I DIDN’T DO IT. No-one has been charged with any crime here. That’s why they are phony scandals.
Yet there is evidence that the state department knowingly had Susan Rice push the false narrative that the attacks were caused because of some obscure video poking fun at Islam and that it was not a terrorist attack (which it is now know that it was), it is clearly evidenced that the IRS specifically targeted conservative groups and Lois Lerner refuses to cooperate with the investigation and that congressman Cummings had direct contact with the IRS to get information on conservative groups in his district, and as soon as they started investigating Op. Fast & Furious the president imposed state secrets to protect his administration effectively trying to shut down any investigation.
It’s hard to believe that you’re honestly taking the stance that there is no substance to either of these scandals. You must be drinking that extra strong Kool-Aid because you have completely deluded yourself into ignoring an incredible amount of facts and information. You are truly a disturbing individual.
I’m disturbing because I’m not jumping up and down that someone tried to cover their ass in a political fiasco that ended up with 4 Americans killed? Of course they did. That’s what people do. That still doesn’t mean there was a crime committed.
I’m sure if you were born yet, you would have been one of those jumping up and down because the president got a little under the desk. Yet you have no problem with Dubya lying to the entire world and getting thousands of Americans killed.
Yeah, I’m the disturbing one all right.
At what point have I ever defended GWB and our involvement/entrance to the wars in the Middle East? Just so you know, I was highly critical of the Bush administration. Arguably more so than the current administration. You’re insanity and ability to jump to conclusions and assumptions know no bounds (besides of course your ability to waive off literally anything done by liberals).
Nobody is jumping up and down about the 4 killed in Bhengazi, the border patrol agent killed by guns we funneled to cartels (not to mention countless Mexican citizens). Just as nobody is jumping up and down about those killed as a result of the wars in the Middle East. People are upset at the unethical actions taken in multiple instances throughout the administration throughout it’s inception. Just as they were upset about the unethical moves made by the Bush administration.
You’re right that as we know currently, no crime has been committed, that is why there are investigative committees being formed to INVESTIGATE. Congratulations Libby, you’ve officially made me physically nauseous with your level of sleaze. I’m done with this site for today.
I spend as much time jumping to conclusions as you do. I am not some left-wing fanatic, if you’d take the time to listen. I have some very moderate &/or conservative ideals – ECONOMICALLY. My social views are liberal. I AM able to see both sides of the coin and make my decision accordingly. Not like some right wing lemming that just hates all things democrat without thought or debate. That would be your style.
“You’re right that as we know currently, no crime has been committed, that is why there are investigative committees being formed to INVESTIGATE. Congratulations Libby, you’ve officially made me physically nauseous with your level of sleaze.”
You admit that I am right, that there is no proof of wrongdoing at this time, yet everyone is jumping up and down to impeach Obama and fire the entire administration. I’m sorry, I fail to see where I am the sleaze here. I am pointing out the truth. AND YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH.
what’s your email address? I’ll send you a calendar so you can see that it’s now 2014. Nowhere in the article did it mention anything about the 2012 elections, but I’m impressed you were able to find something.
sorry, that was directed at Celtica.
Instead of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Surely you’ve heard that saying before. Well maybe not. It’s called a play on words, Destro. Stick around and you’ll learn more as you mature.
Just because I haven’t heard that phrase doesn’t mean it is one that makes sense in any way.
It totally makes sense. That’s why it’s widely used and recognized. You Republicans can’t get out of your own way, so you snag defeat from the jaws of victory instead of the other way around.
“…snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.”
An 81 yr old with a girl friend…. OD on Viagra? Some girl friend. Takes the bone and then turns around and gives it right back to him….
They deserved each other. When you gift someone with sex for gifts in return, don’t be surprised if she finds a bigger payday by selling you out. She was already for sale and he was already buying. Old white Republican men. Yeech.
“Old white Republican men. Yeech.”
You’re an idiot, and couldn’t be more wrong. The guy was a long time Democrat supporter/donor.
“Nice try, National Review. Here’s the truth: Sterling is a registered Republican and has been at least since 1998. As I divulged via Twitter on Sunday night, that information comes from the official database of California voter registrations. A readout of Sterling’s registration record is here, collated to the Clipper owner’s official residence in Beverly Hills and his documented birth date, April 26, 1934. (Yes, he turned 80 on Saturday.)”
Get your head out of your ass and quit watching FoxNews, Destro.
“Old white Republican men”, how is that not racist? Celtica you are a bigot and a terrible person. For judging anyone strictly on race you should lose your job and be kicked out of any league you own a team in.
IJS – you are a terrible person for calling someone else a terrible person based on a post. You should lose your job (if you even have one) and be drummed out of any fraternity you belong to.
You’re an over-privileged, white, upper middle class, snot-nosed kid, right?
Libby, how is that not racist? I was just trying to point out how ridiculous the race thing has gotten with exxageration (One of the more basic types of humor See English class). You claim to be open minded and have a sense of humor and yet you go around throwing out closed minded stereotypes and vitriol. I just like to point out the obvious hypocrisy and that makes you so angry. Then you lose your temper and claim to be right. How is this not racism?
Well, political party affiliation and sex are not races; therefore, insulting someone for being a white republican man isn’t a racist comment. It is derogatory, but not racist.
Is he old? Yes. Is he white? Yes. Is he a racist? Yes. How is it racist to state the obvious?
“Then I lose my temper and claim to be right?” Where did you come up with that? I haven’t lost my temper. Nor have I claimed to be right. Throwing out hyperbole does nothing for your credibility. Or lack thereof.
Isn’t it ironic all the “dislikes” to your comment for pointing out that someone is displaying racism against white men? For some reason, it’s OK to be bigoted against whites so long as you don’t do the same to any other ethnic group. Epitome of hypocrisy.
I still don’t understand why stating the guy is white is racist. He IS white. So what? Any racism against black people is usually perpetrated by white people. What makes that racist? We did not disparage white people because of their race. We simply said he’s an old, white, Republican racist. Fact. Not racism. Check out the definition of racism:
“The belief that some races are inherently superior (physically, intellectually, or culturally) to others and therefore have a right to dominate them. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.”
I’m sorry, but those statements do not qualify as racist. But nice try.
PropGal, I don’t know about anyone else’s “dislike” but mine was based on the stupidity of the post. Just because the description includes the fact that the man is white does not make the description racist. Racism, according to Merriam-Webster, is “a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.” That’s not what’s happening here.
The description as a whole is derogatory, but not racist or bigoted.
Don’t worry IJS, these people are literally the worst. And PropGal is 100% right in her statement about how our society has no problem (or in the case of liberals, encourages) bigotry against whites while simultaneously if any other race is mentioned (maybe with the exception of Asians) in anything but the most positive and glowing light and you’re immediately characterized as a white-hooded hateful bigot.
Who’s foaming at the mouth now, Destro? We call one white male bigot a white male bigot and that’s racist?? Go back to the classroom and learn the definition of racist. You’re pathetic.
“The description as a whole is derogatory, but not racist or bigoted.”
What is derogatory about being old (are you an agist?), white (are you a racist?), or Republican (are you a Communist/Socialist?)?
Saying that the description as a whole is derogatory shows yourself to be a bigot against those three categories.
It was the Republican part that was derogatory.
A tale of two old white guys: Donald Sterling is a registered Republican. Clive Bundy was embraced by the local right wing nut jobs already in office. Yep, it’s still a free country so they can say whatever they want. But they are racists and those associated with them (and I’m looking at you Tea Party and Sean Hannity) also paint themselves with the same brush. Live by the racist brushstroke, die by the racist painting your portray.
So — how does it feel to throw away the 2014 mid term election?
GREAT logic Celtica! So by your reasoning, there are a few thousand registered democrats living in the south side of chicago that are in gangs and enjoy murdering people for no good reason. I guess that means that all Democrats are murderers??? BTW, neither of those individuals are running for office so I don’t see how that equates to “throwing away the 2014 mid term.”
The GOP threw away the 2012 election with foot-in-the-mouth-itis from several white older male candidates when it came to women. The Tea Party and local Republicans couldn’t jump on the old white guy Clive Bundy band wagon fast enough and then couldn’t jump off faster when old white guy Bundy was an out and out racist. Donald Sterling was just a bonus with older white guys who cannot hide their inate racism even when it is onlya surface.
This stuff sticks.
And Celtica, you do know that Sterling is a flaming liberal that donates regularly to the Democratic party right? It’s something that the folks at your favorite network MSNBC are keeping quiet, but like Robert Byrd before him, he is a Democratic racist.
He is a registered Republican. Check it out.
You are a giant bag of douche.
Do you even know what douche is, Destro? You’re still wet behind the ears my friend. You’re just reinforcing your image as an idiot by defending Sterling and Bundy – who are both indefensible. Like I said, being contrary just to be contrary is so totally immature. Grow up and come back later.
At least one of us is wet. By the way I never once defended Sterling, at all. I said that the punishment doesn’t fit the “crime” of free speech, but that was it.
He was not punished for free speech. He was punished because he threatened the NBA’s popularity and profitability based on his beliefs. Players were legitimately threatening to boycott games and not just those involving the Clippers. The NBA, as a private corporation, was sending the message that racism will not be tolerated.
They understand their customers and responded appropriately. This is how the free market works. I thought you righties would be applauding this move.
You are completely misinformed and a bigot yourself “Old white republican men. Yeech”. Sadly typical of the lemming liberals today.
“Lemming liberals???” LMFAO!!! Republicans are the DEFINITION of lemming. You guys are so indoctrinated you follow your leaders into the depths of poverty. Republicans are screwing the American middle class, yet you march to the beat of their drum. Idiots! All of you.
Guess what, tolerant Libby, poor people have been voting Democrat for decades and they’re still poor. One only needs to look logically at places such as Detroit to see that the Democrat model isn’t working.
And you only prove my point that name calling and bigotry are common among liberal… “Idiots! All of you.”….compelling arguments you’ve got there.
“Poor people have been voing Democrat for decades and they’re still poor.”
Guess what, PropGal, that’s because the government is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the wealthy. They run this country and it would not be in their best interests to share the wealth, now would it?
I may call names, but at least I don’t have blinders on like you do.
Guess what, PropGal? Rich, white liberals vote democrat. What’s your point?
“Guess what, PropGal, that’s because the government is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the wealthy. They run this country and it would not be in their best interests to share the wealth, now would it?”
Weird how Liberals emphasize growing government and more government control. You bury yourself with your own ignorance.
What? Or better yet, WTF are you talking about? How did I emphasize growing government with that statement? Do you disagree with the statement that the wealthy have politicians in their pockets? If so, you are indeed naive. And yes, wet behind the ears.
Show me 1 point throughout history where liberals have advocated or enacted a policy that shrinks the size and scope of government and/or decentralizes government(besides a collapse of said government due to unsustainable/failed policy).
Again, you answer my question with a question. How about you answer my question and then I’ll answer yours?
Do you disagree with the statement that the wealthy have politicians in their pockets?
I beg to differ as well. First, standing up for heterosexual marriage (Duck Dynasty) is no where near this issue. Matter of fact is very far off. Clive Bundy and Sterling are expressing vehement statements against a specific class or race of people. It reflects not just his opinion but he overall social viewpoint of such. This cannot be tolerated in any venue. If it was revealed that my boss made such statements about me, though in his privacy, I would be seeking (1)his resignation (2) a new place of employment. And no this is not an blatant opportunity to pull the race card. This is just wrong no matter how one try to justify it.
So it’s OK to discriminate against homosexuals, but not black people? Hmmmm. I didn’t know there was acceptable discrimination. Sounds like you might be black and a little sensitive to discrimination when it comes to you. Not so much for others, though. Let me guess. You’re a Republican.
We get it, Libby, we get it…you’re a radical liberal and voted for Obama both times and would vote for him again if only those darned racists would change the Constitution and let him run again.
There’s nothing radical about me, PropGal. And yes, I voted for Obama. There really was no other choice. McCain was getting my vote until he chose shit-for-brains as a running mate. And Romney made my stomach turn. I was a Hillary supporter, if you must know.
Of course you’re a Hillary supporter. Can you give me 1 single example of an accomplishment by Hillary (and no, being elected and/or appointed don’t count.)
What about Mitt Romney made your stomach turn?
I see someone is spamming themselves. And it’s not me!
I wasn’t relating their comments topically. I was pointing out that freedom of speech allows everyone an opinion – whether we like it or not. That’s the beauty of a free country.
You know it’s funny; when somebody murders, rapes, steals, or gets caught dealing drugs, the article rarely mentions what political affiliation that person identifies with. The only time you EVER read about political affiliation with private citizens is when it is a racism, gender, or sexuality based issue… IF said person happens to be a republican. Funny how the Alvin Holmes comments disappeared from the news within hours. I actually agree with your second statement, there are plenty of “old-guard” republicans who end up doing more harm to their party’s image than good, and I cringe every time I see another old curmudgeon open his mouth.
Ben, have you met Agent?
Ben – that’s because discrimination os not a crime. Republicans are expert at legally raping the American people. Murdering the American dream. And stealing the entire middle class. They are also expert racists and bigots. I know, I know. Painting with a broad brush. But I calls ‘em as I sees ‘em.
No, I haven’t. I can only assume he/she has similar or completely opposite views to me :)
WHO. FREAKIN’. CARES. WHAT POLITICAL PARTY THIS CREEP SUPPORTS??? The guy is a DISGRACE, not to Republicans or Democrats but to AMERICANS.
When did we get so divided that we can’t even have a discussion in this country without either bringing up EX-President Bush or current president Obama? This has nothing to do with EITHER of them! Fine, Bush sucked. Yep, so does Obama. Guess what? Sterling’s still an idiot!
Where’s the Tylenol?
Leave it to you to bring logic into the conversation, Ralph. Thanks for the smack down. You’re right. It doesn’t matter.
Ralph, Someone laced a joint with it.
Ralph, I have been reading IJ blogs for years now and have seen all sorts come and go from the blogs. I agree and disagree with all sorts/sides ect. I usually restrain from commenting as it is not worth my time to do so and I feel we all have our rights to our beliefs. You my friend are so refreshing to see on these blogs. I really like your comments and agree with you on most everything I have seen from you. Keep up the good work and bringing some light to the actual subject of the article. Again, very refreshing to see finally! :)
Thanks for the kind words, it means a lot! Best of luck to you, and everyone else on here. At the end of the day, we should only want GOOD things to happen for each other. Life is WAY to short as it is for us to be so divided. Take care!
Ralph – love your perspective. Thanks for the dose of common sense.
When referencing our freedom of speech, it is important to remember that it only applies to what the government can and cannot do. If people, players, sponsors, or anyone ese outside of the government disassociates themselves from someone based on their words, the person uttering those words is not having their free speech infringed upon. They are at the mercy of the free market and public opinion whether those words were made in private or public.
Actions, and sometimes words, have consequences in the marketplace even if there is no retribution from the government.
Innocent until proven guilty only applies in a court of law.
I definitely agree that Sterling’s comments were disgusting. But I’m also interested in the gold-digging girlfriend. If she was unhappy with Pop-Pop Boyfriend, why not just walk away? What made this chick, who’s undergone one too many bad plastic surgeries, think it was up to her to police his words?
He’s obviously been a racist all of his life….no one knew? The players, coaches, etc who work with him on a regular basis never picked up on it? He must be one hell of an actor.
Yes, he was a racist his entire life. And everyone knew it. He’s also sexist. This is what he said to his girlfriend during that conversation:
“If my girl can’t do what I want, I don’t want the girl,” he told her. “I’ll find a girl that will do what I want! Believe me. I thought you were that girl.”
Money or no money….that man should be on his knees is prayers of gratitude that any woman under 70 would even come near him.
LOL! We do agree on some things, PropGal!
Money can buy you love…
I don’t know about love, but sex for sure.
And arm candy.
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