So the House lame ducks pass this bill to keep the lights on. Reckon there is any pork loaded into it, particularly by the ones who got their head handed to them in the mid terms?
campaign finance limits: why does it matter how much is allowed to be contributed? the problem is whether the politician is swayed by the contribution. if you have a good honest politician, it won’t make any difference how much.
Different Bob, Stan. I am beginning to think it’s you who keeps posting as me and replying to “me” in these posts.
Also:
I’m a parent. I do more than you. If you want to call me lazy meet me in the gym, you are such a punk kid.
This weekend I am chopping a tree down for my mom.
Last weekend I want to a family event more than an hour away. I went to the gym at 8, left at 11:30 after a two and a half hour workout, got there at 1:00 left at 4:30, got home at 6:30, cooked, fed everyone, put everything away and cleaned, and still had time to have fun with my kids past 7:30 before going to bed just after at 9:30 ish.
About a week before that I took my daughter out for quite a fun weekend. Same program. I worked out in the morning, just after getting home I left immediately with her. I was still exhausted but I still participated in the physical activity.
We had food as a family after as well. I got home late, tired as usual. The life of a parent is being tired all the time, always on, always doing.
You don’t do this. I do more than you for family, I do more than you in the gym, I do more than you in life.
You don’t spend as much time as I do in the gym, being active in any event in your life. Let alone as active as I am with my immediate family.
You’re just a whiny kid who calls people ugly if they disagree with you.
Yes. I saw that. Agent must be an ugly hypocrite republican. That’s what they all are right?
You are a piece of trash. One I could easily over power in any way. So I don’t much care for your comments. Stop pretending to be me.
I was referring to Agent. I’m quite sure I pointed that out in regards to the ugly comment.
I’m not lazy. And I’m not a tool. I love that though, you preemptively put tool just in case I am physically fit.
You are so insane you’re contradicting yourself in favor of insults.
So you put lazy in case I don’t go to the gym, and tool in case I don’t. But it doesn’t make sense in either case.
If I don’t go to the gym, I’m not a tool (not the type you are trying to infer)
If I do go to the gym, I’m not lazy.
Your predictive insults I will call them, are idiotic.
You didn’t graduate. This is more in line with early 20’s behavior, and definitely not a college grad.
I’m extremely good with knowing the kids around WA Stan. You’re giving away your age and lifestyles.
I know my peeps. So to speak. I’m in a big family so I get to see quite an age range of people.
It would be so humorous to see how weak you are in every way in person.
December 15, 2014 at 6:11 pm
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Rather that should read and tool in case I do go to the gym.
December 15, 2014 at 6:22 pm
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You’re an internet tough guy, bro. Youre not actually fit. I am a supermodel. Just like you’re not a tool.
Maybe you are ugly after all.
December 15, 2014 at 6:28 pm
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I’m such a tool that takes care of his family, you know why Stan?
Because I’m a big bad republican. Wooooo.
How horrible right?
I could take care of the whole family, and since I’m the big bad republican I am a tool correct?
You’re just a bad person. That’s all it comes down to. You’re a bigot, and a brat.
You attack republicans just like white on black in 1960.
I disagree with democrat ideals, and I make that known. I don’t make any commentary close to that of you about what democrat people are like. They must all be lazy right? Or something like that.
I’m a big bad republican, who judges others.
Kid, you’re a dime a dozen in the Seattle area. How do I know that’s where you’re from? I’ve seen the insanity. I was raised here. And I am not the only one Stan, who has woken up to the bleeding heart liberal open minded front, backed up by a cold hearted controlling live our way or die movement in WA State.
Somehow this state became outwardly blue, but inwardly how red is perceived to be.
Pay attention to your buddies and how they react to people who are conservative. It’s disgusting.
Two girls kissing, right on, I’m open minded.
Two guys wearing a cross, they will literally avoid all contact.
This state sucks. I already lived my 20’s in this state, and it’s something I do NOT want to go back and re-live. I should have moved.
December 15, 2014 at 6:41 pm
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Stan,
Too bad I actually am fit. And stop mocking me regarding it.
Yes, of course, CLEARLY me being fit is as likely as you being a super model. This is the mind of an entitled brat who simply cannot do it, and thus no one must be capable of doing it right?
Did you read my workout schedule that I posted on the other article? Not the one that listed the weights. The one that actually listed the days, and what I lift.
Grow up. It is what I do. I’m good at it. You can’t just make that crud up.
December 15, 2014 at 6:43 pm
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Read the repost, boy, the way I explain my routine it makes it clear I know what I’m doing:
I have a five day split to maximize my potential.
It is bad to do an extension twice in a row, it limits gains, same with pulls. Legs need to be as far apart as possible to ensure the maximum strength and size gains.
So my days are:
Mon – Off
Tues – Just Chest movements. Flat barbell, incline barbell, decline barbell, and machine fly, This day is short intentionally for a few reasons. It’s to build more muscle for the chest, rather than breaking down muscle with a lengthy workout. It also ensures I can still do a mass movement in a workout and due to the rest of the workout placement with extensions and pulls, it has to be this way to ensure I have a 5th day that still gains muscle and does not impede muscle development for the next day. It also ensures that every day starts with a mass movement. Curls don’t build much strength alone for example. You need to start with a mass movement. For this day, each of the chest routines are all mass builders, and it’s a short day. Which makes it enhanced.
Wednesday: Deadlift (mass movement), back, abs routine. Dumb bell rows, bent over barbell rows, wide arm and narrow grip pull ups, followed by machine pulls of the same for variance. All these are pulls. I throw in lower ab raises because the dead lift actually uses those abs for stabilization, and this increases the gains in the abs. This may sound like a short workout but again, I am emphasizing mass gains.
Thursday: Off.
Friday: Chest dumb bell and biceps. Chest Incline dumb bell, chest flat dumb bell, chest incline fly, and chest flat fly, super set with a bicep routine for each. So for example: I super set chest incline with hammer curls, then I super set chest flat with twists, I intentionally do dumb bells for both chest and bicep this day. Remember my other chest day with just barbell? Barbells build more mass. I don’t want to inhibit my progress by putting barbell and dumb bell together, and furthermore, doing this ensures I have a building day, and then a day which is more oriented to shaping. I also put forearms in here. I do dumb bell for this too, one is leaning over a bench with my hands just over, and pulling my hand up toward my body, the other is standing with my hands to the sides pulling the weight upward with just my forearms, not biceps. I throw in negative dumb bell movements. In this case, I bend down, and stand up to get the weight up, and then I release it slowly with a weight I cannot pull up with my biceps to build the negative muscle, I do this for 4 reps. That’s all I need. It will likely get my bicep curls to 70 soon. I then throw in a dumb bell between my legs at 60lbs, and do weighted dips for decline chest shaping movements. It widens my chest where it connects to the sides by my back. It gives a more full look to the bottom of the chest.
Saturday: Squats. For this I need to make sure I don’t overdo the legs so growth goes well, this also keeps it far away from the dead lift. But it also separates the previous extension and pulls from the next day’s extension and pulls. I do a standard squat, up to 455 pyramid style and super set abs (used in the squat, much like the deadlift it is the negative muscle used for the squat) and calf raises. I use 3 45lbs plates, and a 25lbs to make sure I hit more in tune with 8 reps. Then I go to the leg press, super set with lunges. I used to do 80lbs, but right now I’m hitting 60lbs each arm to hit more reps. I then go to leg extensions, and hamstring curl machine.
Sunday: Tricep / Bicep / Shoulder day. I start with the shoulder shrug (mass movement) super set with a military press barbell, 45lbs and a 10 on each side. Then I super set skull crushers, 145lbs up to my max, with a barbell straight bar curl. I use the “easy bar” (nick name for the curved bars) for a bicep forearm curl, kind of like a jerk and I super set this with a dumb bell shoulder routine of 60 lbs. I alternate days here. One week I will use the straight bar on lower weight, one day the dumb bell. In other words, 100lb dumb bell shoulder press on days where it takes lead, 60 lbs when I do it after the barbell military press. The forearm has two purposes, one the forearm, but it also works the inner section of the bicep as well to shape it, rather than the negative dumb bell which shapes the alternate side. I super set forward and rear laterals. This I do 40 and 25lbs respectively. I throw in a secondary tricep, either bent over and extending my tricep with 40lbs behind my back, or with an overhead dumb bell, 80lbs for 6 up to 100 lbs for 5. I then throw in the shoulder raises with the 45 lbs wheel. So I’m doing 3 sets at any time. I hit cables for the negative form on biceps, and do slow twitch high rep slow movement curls. You have probably seen this movement. It is where the two cables you pull look like you are just showing off your biceps, but it’s a good negative routine.
The chest bicep and the shoulder days are the most intensive on the body building. The dead lift, squat, and only chest days are for mass / strength building.
But I bet you don’t know the difference.
All this with an hour of HIIT cardio each day.
I could kick your @$$ and am not lazy. This is an extremely good routine. It makes me outperform all my peers. You should probably take it. Heck, I’ll coach you if you want. This isn’t including all my variations. I could show you a lot.
I’m not all mean, just when I debate politics with people like you.
December 16, 2014 at 11:09 am
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You would take Monday off. Classic toolish lazy person. Monday is actually when I do all my workouts. 24 hours for the entire day, while you’re just sitting around “taking monday off.”
Grow up, Bobby. Get a methodology bro.
December 16, 2014 at 12:48 pm
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I have plenty of methodology. I discussed several types that showed you in fact do not. You quote links, you don’t quote methodology. We’ve talked on this before.
You keep mocking the possibility that I’m in the gym with bogus comments. I’ve earned respect in the gym. You will give that respect, and stop this immature tirade of whining that I commented on my routine after you insulted me. It seems to offend you that I could be in good shape. Or, you just want to offend me. Either case makes you quite a weak male. Did you meet your daily quota of showing that republican what was what? Plain idiotic Stan.
It doesn’t reflect well on you.
December 16, 2014 at 1:25 pm
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Whatever Bob, youre the type of dude that skips leg day. I read through your “workout.” Reminds me of spin class. Go have a pomegranate juice, tool.
December 16, 2014 at 1:51 pm
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Oh yeah, I totally do spin class, and skip leg day.
Despite having a deadlift and squat section in my lift, that is in excess of 400 lbs on each.
I’m such a pansy.
Meet me at the gym, if you want to talk trash.
2 and a half hours a day is basically pro athlete, and my lifts are no different.
Also do you know why I skip Monday? Of course, part of the reason is lifting beyond 5 days a week inhibits strength gains. In fact, typically you don’t want to do above 4 days of strength building. That’s why I made my fifth day the way I did. But the reason I skip Monday in particular instead of another: Religious education classes. It’s a hobby. I already told you I do more than you in life. Is my schedule becoming more clear now?
December 16, 2014 at 2:37 pm
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Religious education classes? Sounds like a cult, bro. Which makes sense, given your inability to understand facts and reason. The ‘roids are going to your lazy brain, man. Get help.
December 16, 2014 at 2:51 pm
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Funny how Stan sticks his hand out and mooches off mom calls bob – an employed family man – lazy…
Must be that new Obama speak….
December 16, 2014 at 2:57 pm
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Yes, learning about religion through classes it totally a cult.
Are you insane?
I don’t take ‘roids. Stop mocking me for going to the gym and being successful at it. You’re a very jealous man.
Moving off of that: Facts and reason are all I’m about, as opposed to you, it’s one insult after the next. You somehow think that wins arguments.
It doesn’t.
December 16, 2014 at 3:46 pm
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Thanks FFA, I do like being referred to as a family man.
As a parent for some reason seeing that just made me smile. I do a lot for my family. I’ve never thought of myself as a family man out loud, but I am one. I never would have thought I would be what I am today. Everything about me changed after having a family and kids. I would do anything for them.
December 16, 2014 at 4:01 pm
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FFA you will be happy to know that I have a job now. Lucky for me, I can still avoid paying income tax since I dont make much money, but hey, small steps.
And Bob, you have a family but never thought of yourself as a family man? Be weirder, bro. You cant.
December 16, 2014 at 4:57 pm
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Bob, you are what you are… Family First mentality makes you a family man weather you realize it or not. I hope the Christmas season is treating you well.
Stan… Good for you. Its the first step. Its easier to get a better job then it is to get a job so you have cleared your first hurdle. Give your self a few months with some degree of measurable success and the next best thing is waiting for you… Hope your having a great (what ever you non believers call it) season!
Mine just got a little better. Word seeping out of Hallas Hall that Trestman is gone and they may be pulling the plug on Cutlers contract as well as Emerys… Nothing confirmed yet, but we can only hope. Now, if we could just get rid of that F’n Obama.
December 16, 2014 at 5:12 pm
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Stan,
When you have a family, you get so caught up in doing things for them,
It is just what you do. You’re just being a dad, a husband, etc.
I wouldn’t for example go cut down a tree and say I’m being a family man while doing it. I would just do it.
We all walk in the shadow of our fathers as a side comment. And when I think family man I think of him. He completely dedicated his life to his kids, when he was alive.
It is quite intimidating to consider myself to be called a family man when I talk about what I do for my family.
December 16, 2014 at 5:26 pm
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Well you seem to spend most of your time at the gym, so I just figured you called yourself a Gym Tool and not a Family Man. But whatever, you can call your lazy self whatever you want.
December 16, 2014 at 6:26 pm
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I do not have to choose either to be a family man or be in the gym. You continually mock me for being out of the gym, and imply I’m not in the gym. Now here you are again, mocking me for being in the gym.
And as for call myself what I want, I didn’t call myself a family man. FFA did.
You have a serious attitude problem.
December 16, 2014 at 6:34 pm
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Also,
You will stop calling me lazy. It is abusive, and is not ok.
It is different to call someone something based on their actions.
For example:
If you make a stupid comment, I can call you stupid.
If I exist and am a republican you don’t like, calling me lazy is not ok.
You will stop. It is not a request. Got it?
I don’t get bullied. We can battle it out in me reporting you to insurance journal and you reporting me, and you being constantly told to knock it off,
Or you can do the right thing.
December 16, 2014 at 6:38 pm
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Bob I am sorry that your weak feelings got hurt. Be a man.
December 16, 2014 at 6:52 pm
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I’m sorry, is my responding to you not being a man, or your continued attempts to illicit a response from a stranger online and call him lazy?
Don’t push me, boy.
December 16, 2014 at 7:07 pm
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With your weak arms, Bob-O, believe me, I wont be pushing you.
December 16, 2014 at 7:26 pm
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Stan,
My arms aren’t weak for one.
For two, you need to stop trash talking, it doesn’t make you manly.
For three: Grow up. We are not alike in insults. It doesn’t make me equal to you or more wimpy to defend myself from you calling me weak.
What, my only option is to cut my balls off and praise you?
You’re a macho weak willed piece of garbage.
Why don’t you come try and see how small my arms are.
This is really laughable. My father talked with me before he died. He said it was a little ridiculous how fit I had become.
You’re an idiot kid. I am literally top 1% of 1% in lifting. You can choose to see this as me being a tough guy. I have offered to send pictures and meet you in person.
Maybe I’ll even send you a picture that says “I love you stan, but you don’t compete” so you know it’s me.
So pathetic.
You are obsessed with just throwing out insults. You are making your self immasculine. Not me.
December 16, 2014 at 9:49 pm
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Bob, please send me a picture ASAP that says “I love you Stan” like you promised. Unless you’re not a man of your word, which would make you a lazy liar.
And you’re really not THAT fit. 95th percentile MAYBE. Def not better than that.
December 17, 2014 at 12:54 pm
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Stan,
95th percentile will do for me. Now that you’ve finally admitted I’m in the gym.
Even though you’re wrong on that, I don’t really care.
Something you should know with regards to athletes:
The top 1% and the top 1% of the 1% are extremely different in performance and I know the difference.
Let’s apply it to the U.S. The top 1% of the population is 3.2 million people. There are 50 states. This means there are 64,000 people in each state that are the top 1% performers.
I realize that not all the 320,000,000 people workout, but that’s the point. That makes the top 1% stick out even more.
Now when you go to a beach, how many people surpass Ryan Reynolds in shaping? Ryan Reynolds as a side comment has flat shoulders. He’s lean. He isn’t a body builder.
How many could go on a magazine?
This is where we get to the top of the top performers.
Which is usually 1%
There are not 64,000 people per state that can lift 495 on deadlifts. In my weight class, the record for the state is in the mid 500’s, and that is not accounting for age.
That dies down to 640 per state if you go for the top 1% of the 1%. Half of these will be body builders, half will be power lifters. Those numbers are fairly correct.
If you go to a beach in WA, you will only see a few people who look like body builders, who are the 1%
On my lean, I am not one of the 5th percentile. Not even a chance. This is where you see your highschool and college frat boys, somewhat fit.
December 15, 2014 at 11:57 am
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Bob, there were a lot of rich incumbents who lost in the mid terms and are busy packing their boxes up. In the past, it was almost impossible to unseat a sitting Senator with their large war chests. Of course, they had a sizable yoke of Obama to overcome this time. I am sure glad he made that video about his policies being on the ballot.
Bob, are you saying that you are also a victim of moniker theft like what happened to me? That is patently dishonest to try to make someone else look bad by posting something the person would not say. These Progressives have no shame at all. They just cannot believe their party lost so badly in the mid terms so they lash out any way they can.
Stan is literally insane. I’m not completely sure it is him doing it, or if it is just coincidence, but it certainly is happening a lot lately where I see my name and I have not commented on the post at all.
It’s awfully coincidental that his replies are also there to my name.
Of course it could be one of the other Bobs here since there are about 3, in which case he is far too quick to think it is me.
He’s a very presumptive little kid isn’t he?
December 16, 2014 at 10:16 am
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Bob, when Booger did his thing on my moniker name posting his trash, at first he denied doing it like Stan is with you. Then he turned around and hacked my Identity and published it all over the forum and Libby and Ins102 gleefully mocked me. To people like Booger, Stan, Libby and Ins102, they are the pits. They subscribe to a failed ideology so their favorite theme is to lie, criticize, insult, mock since nothing their side proposes works in this society. They think their President has been honest and forthright with the American People. They believe that Jonathon Gruber did not write the Obamacare Bill even though there is evidence he did from his own lips.
December 15, 2014 at 5:25 pm
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lol “moniker theft.” You guys really are the consumate victims, arent you? Newsflash, no one cares at all about what happens on this little forum in a forgotten corner of cyberspace. And no one is stealing your moniker either. If it doesnt make sense its probably because you and your positions DONT MAKE SENSE.
Stan, you have been “bawling” for two years playing the victim that you can’t get a job with three degrees and blaming anyone and everyone for your troubles. Who plays the victim better than you? That is your greatest accomplishment, playing the victim. I guess you got that from your President who always blames someone else for his troubles and his inability to solve any problems.
December 18, 2014 at 6:38 pm
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First off, Ive only been on this board for about 8 months (starting with your ridiculous article blaming young people for not having good jobs), not two years. And I am not complaining, I am attacking (mostly people like you for ruining the country.
You are the one who is blaming and complaining, mostly about tone and how people on the internet are hurting your feelings. I would have expected a Texan to at least be tough in addition to being dumb.
December 19, 2014 at 10:00 am
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Bob – do you actually think you are the ONLY person on IJ named BOB??? Get over yourself. Nobody is stealing your stupid palindromic name.
Agent, for a simpleton like you who conflates moniker mockery with identity theft, you sure are anxious to have more personal details spilled on an anonymous internet forum. No surprise there, just more hypocrisy from the Right.
However, as a gesture of good faith, if you want to email me something, feel free to use: stan1@mailinator.com
Did you really just say his unwillingness is more hypocrite behavior on the right?
Ok, we can solve this an easy way:
I’ll make an IMGR account, or whatever that website is and post my pictures there.
I know you want to defend your personal information. It’s why I keep mocking you about this. You just haven’t caught it.
Your personal information should apparently be private, whereas you are blabbing about my personal ethics constantly.
It’s my way of saying shut up, unless you actually want to get personal.
December 17, 2014 at 12:49 pm
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Whoa, Bob, the last thing I want to do is be associated with a weakling like you, personally or professionally. Why don’t you go do some yoga and pipe down?
And do what you want for a picture, the IJ is waiting. Unless you’re too scared your methodology wont work.
December 17, 2014 at 2:37 pm
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And…it flew over your head again.
Not surprising.
December 17, 2014 at 2:44 pm
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Apology not accepted, Bobby.
December 18, 2014 at 4:26 pm
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I asked for your full name Stan. We would all like to get to know you better. Posting a bogus email address is not helpful to get your identity.
December 18, 2014 at 6:39 pm
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Agent, I never saw your full name. Why don’t you post first, you know, as a gesture of good faith?
December 19, 2014 at 10:03 am
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Agent – YOU are the one that led us to your real name by posting your constant drivel all over the internet. It wasn’t hard to locate you.
Why don’t you put on your thinking cap and try to track one of us down? Let’s see if you have the intelligence and know-how. If not, quit whining about being exposed. Nobody did anything wrong but you.
December 12, 2014 at 4:46 pm
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Both sides are a bunch of corrupt politicians! Makes me sick! At least they are consistent with each other and both allow the criminals to prosper, either by being an illegal or a rich banker. Our government will take care of both sides, just not the ones in the middle.
Baxtor, how about some great quotes about politicians?
Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other – Oscar Ameringer
I offered my opponents a deal: If they stop telling lies about me, I will stop telling the truth about them. Adlai Stevenson
What happens if a politician drowns in a river? That is pollution. What happens if all of them drown? That is a solution.
Off subject FFA, but how bout them Cowboys kicking the Eagles on their home turf? Green Bay losing to the Bills? The old adage on “any given Sunday” held true on that one.
FFA, there will be a whole lot more agreeing going on next year when those bills start rolling out and being passed. I wonder what kind of obstructionist they will find with Obama’s veto pen ready. He may run out of ink and have to get a new pen.
FFA, have you had enough of Jonathon Gruber yet? When he testified before Congress, he proudly proclaimed that he was not the architect of Obamacare even though his prior statements indicated that he was. Guess what, a new tape showed up and he claimed that he did write much of it. I assume that lying in front of Congress was a crime, but I could be wrong. Time to lock this guy up. Bernie has a cell waiting for him.
FFA, I will be honest with you. I couldn’t watch much of that game since the Bears were so disjointed, they could hardly run a play. Tell me, does Cutler really look like a $54 million guaranteed signing bonus quarterback to you with a $100 million contract if he plays it out? One commenter on NFL network think the Bears wasted their money and could have spent their money more wisely on other team needs. The coaching staff probably all needs to go from Trestman down. These players obviously don’t want to play for them and are just going through the motions. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bears get SF Harbaugh in the off season and maybe he could restore the team. He may consider bringing Lovie back to be an assistant. The players played for him.
That doesnt make sense. And for the record, its not that I dont expect a paycheck, its that I expect a paycheck commensurate with the debt I incurred in order to do better for myself.
There is a flipside to this argument, you personally complain about going from $120k/yr to ~$60k/yr. Well, my advice is the same as yours, go out and stop complaining and “work for it.”
Lets see…. I put in 4 Health Aps on Friday. Wrote a Beam Walker account – finished it yesterday. In an hour or so, I have a client coming in for a Performance Bond. I have another Welder in the system and I have no less then 15 life prospects that put me off till the first of the year. That’s what I have done past three weeks to get back on track. I am back to working on Saturdays. Yes my phone is ringing again.
Yes I do. When Il bumped the Min wage over our neighbors on the borders, many business simply shut down in IL and moved across the border. Especially the Freeport Il area, so many vacant building just falling apart. When I went down state, I traveled along the IL / IN border. More of the same. So many employers struggling to keep the doors open with unemployment rates so high, going to force more unemployment in Chicago, more vacant buildings falling apart.
December 16, 2014 at 5:09 pm
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My efforts entitle me to a pay check. Your 3 degree efforts entitle you to a chance at a pay check.
You now have your chance. Make the best of it kid. In the words of one of my reps “Go Get Em Tiger” (with a pat on the back).
FFA, I think Stan is one of those educated idiots who have no common sense and doesn’t possess the gumption to get out and stir the pot for a job like we did after college. Man, I beat the bushes, used an employment agency and they found me something. It wasn’t my life work, but I supported my young family until the insurance industry beckoned and I was recruited. I haven’t looked back in 30 years.
December 17, 2014 at 10:13 am
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Well Freedom, I used the Power of Ten method. Ten Resumes. Ten Interviews weekly. Any combination that added to ten worked for me. One of them ten passed my Resume to a Farmers Agent. Before I even got back to the current job, the Farmers agent was calling recruiting me for an agency producer. I met with him later that day. Told him I wanted agency. He passed it to the DMAT. The DMAT called me with in an hour and that was that. Over 25 years on Main St USA now.
Some people just are not willing to put that effort in.
December 17, 2014 at 10:58 am
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Did you walk uphill both ways to and from work too? In the winter? Carrying coal?
December 16, 2014 at 4:37 pm
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Maybe you should move to Chicago Rahm bumped Min Wage to $13.00 according to his political ads. I have not paid much attention to the news as of late. So, I caution you – he is an Obama Crony.
South Chicago is legit one of the most murderous counties in the country. Mostly because of lack of gun control laws. Very nice, Agent. Encouraging homicide a week out from Christmas. You’re lucky I am tougher than you are, else I’d be tempted to complain about tone. But I wont because I dont care and because youre still a dummy.
Yet another blow out on National TV. They have never played very well in the Prime Time Spot Light. Their only loss in 85 was on Monday night. I would start chopping heads with the GM. I would love to see Jim Harbaugh on our side lines next year. Lovie is working in Tampa. That ship sailed.
Cutler…. No way is he worth that kind of money… No way. Then again, he did get beat up – 5 sacks again – last night. Still cant seem to come up with that magic formula to keep him on his feet.
Bill Cowher would be awesome. Fit right into the Chicago Black & Blue style. The Cubs & Sox are making a play for next year… Why not the Bears?
FFA, I think they screwed the pooch on the CAP with the Cutler contract. Where is the wiggle room unless they re-negotiate his contract to free up some room? I doubt if he would do that, but I could be wrong. The offensive line is woeful. They were just waving at those NO lineman to unload on Cutler. I don’t know who #75 is, but several shots showed him beat so bad, he must have been asleep at the switch. If that guy was playing for Denver or NE, he would be on waivers the next morning. You just can’t have that in the Not for Long league.
FFA, before the game, the commentators were saying that NO couldn’t stop anyone and their defensive line had the worst record in the league. Couldn’t rush, couldn’t stop the run and Forte’was going to have a field day. Guess what, the Bears offensive line made NO look like All Stars when Forte’ got basically shut down and the Offensive line let them in on every pass play and Cutler kept sailing passes over the receivers hands.
Bob, you should know by now that its pointless to argue with kids. Especially when they think they are the smartest and most handsome person on the planet.
FFA, did you read the diatribe above? Bob is not a serious person, he’s spending his time lamenting about weight lifting on an insurance forum!
While I disagree with literally everything you believe politically, I do respect the change with which you’re now faced. Its challenging for both of us, even if we disagree about the cause and solution. That being said, why do you defend and side with the Bob’s and the Agent’s of the world?
Cant you see these people destroy the credibility of your argument, your position, and your party? Bob is a simpleton at best. Why dirty your hands unnecessarily?
Stan, had you been following IJ for the past several years, you would have noticed Bob doing a number on Libby and others of your ilk with backed up data. So what if he has gotten into it on the strength issue. You posted your so called capabilities in the weight room as well so you are the pot calling the kettle black. By the way, you will not be successful in getting FFA to abandon me, so quit trying. He is a businessman and an agent, you are just an underemployed 3 degree dufus.
Also, Bob didnt do a “number” on Libby. That moron thought that Osama was in Iraq and posts links to wikipedia articles. More words does not a better argument make, Agent. Jesus you guys are dense. No wonder you’re losing the country so badly, no one can take you seriously.
Oh he’s right. I did to a number on Libby. Also: She thought that Osama was found in Iran. I actually corrected her.
My links to her were not wiki links on the norm, most of the time I intentionally quote MSN.
You actually asked me why I quoted NPR once. My answer, was because it was democrat leaning and you couldn’t insult it.
And furthermore, we are not dense.
You have made many errors in your posts.
You tried to use one link to show that the dollar was doing well, I used a multitude of links that showed QE was directly linked to gas prices going up, because it devalued the dollar.
This is old.
December 17, 2014 at 12:47 pm
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Osama wasnt found in Iran or Iraq, Robert you simple tool. He was found in Pakistan. Goodness gracious, be dumber man, you cant.
December 17, 2014 at 12:56 pm
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Did I just say he was found in Iraq?
In the past I actually informed Libby that Osama was in Iraq and we had information showing it, before he left.
If I ever typed Iraq, it was by mistake while talking about that fact. Osama was in Iraq just after the attack on the U.S. I specifically argued that Saddam told us we couldn’t inspect Iraq while he was there.
Not that he died there.
Again, if I accidentally typed that I apologize, but I know for certain that you are thinking about when we also debated on whether the water boarding helped, and talked about the who lead to Osama Bin Laden.
December 17, 2014 at 12:58 pm
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More to comment on here:
You refuse to focus on any one topic.
What are we even arguing about?
Whether or not I’m in the gym, and whether or not I’ve made a mistake in arguing. This is purist. Another time you tried to discredit me by saying I wasn’t responsible for having kids and tried to assume I was not married to damage my ability to debate with you.
Why don’t we choose a topic. Not ad hominem attacks. Eh?
Get your head back on straight.
December 17, 2014 at 1:00 pm
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No I said that you are too old to be a millennial which goes to show that youre a liar, which discredits all your links and idiotic methodological arguments, seeing sound excluded.
Boom, roasted.
December 17, 2014 at 1:02 pm
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Bob, All my Gran Children try this tactic that Stan is using. I call it Deflection – Change the subject instead of admitting they are wrong.
December 17, 2014 at 1:10 pm
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LoL if you’re like my grandpa, then the world is indeed in bad shape. She can barely drive a car, much less understand the complexities involved in a global economy. She still uses a typewriter though, so I guess you’re still ahead of her there.
The new economy is so radically different from what you remember, FFA. I really feel bad with how out of touch you are. Im starting to blame you less though, it’s not your fault. The world just moves fast. The way of life I suppose.
December 17, 2014 at 1:12 pm
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*grandma
December 17, 2014 at 2:10 pm
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I’m roasted for seeing sound, while you talk about methadology.
It was not meant literally. And you can see the sound someone makes in person, quite literally the way their lips move etc.
Also your commentary on being too old to be a millennial and being a liar makes no sense.
Going more to the point, I choose to debate topics. Not my personal life, which is what you are trying to call me liar regarding.
I don’t need your approval, or your stereo types based on my lifestyles.
It isn’t relevant to the argument.
Boom. Truly roasted. This is intellect Stan.
December 17, 2014 at 2:25 pm
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“LoL if you’re like my grandpa, then the world is indeed in bad shape. SHE can barely drive a car, much less understand the complexities involved in a global economy”
So…Your mom is a hermaphrodite…That is what I gather here.
I find it more than just a little funny how much you mock people for errors and you just did one yourself and it’s just human.
Moving on: Respect your Grandma.
Moving on further: Yes. The older generation understands the economy better than you.
What type of relationship do you have with your family?
I think I finally get it. We have the family rebel in our midst. The one who thinks he is special and everyone else is wrong. You seem willing to insult their intellectual capacity and to think you’re smarter than them. More early 20’s attitudes.
It’s just a fact: The 40-65 generation built America. They didn’t destroy it.
December 17, 2014 at 2:36 pm
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I corrected the mistake prior to your comment, but whatever.
“Respect my grandma” “old people are smarter”
My grandma is a racist who doesnt think women should work outside the home because thats how it was done in her generation. Your adoration is cute, but misplaced. Think for yourself. Age is nothing but a number. Your adulation of that generation is telling.
And old people are not smarter. look at Agent if youre unpersuaded.
December 17, 2014 at 2:45 pm
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Age is not just a number. Wisdom takes time + Experience. Or do you believe that 7 years in a field makes you as capable as 1?
I do think for myself. I refuse to think as you think. That is thinking for myself. Or do I only think for myself if I think what you think? That seems to be an untrue statement, little boy. You have a lot of wisdom to gain. I’m calling it. You are not past early 20’s. This attitude does not exist nearly to this degree in aged men. It just doesn’t.
Regarding gender roles: Your mother has legitimate beliefs there. A woman staying home to take care of the kids is, speaking in general, best for the kids. She is not a sexist. It is simply true that women are in a multitude of ways better at nurturing children. This is not to say they cannot do jobs and that is why they should stay home. It is simply the way the world works best.
Regarding Racism: I’m sorry your grandma is a racist. This however is another lie, that our grandparents are the racist group out there. You are experiencing a new generation in some ways, but new does not mean that suddenly the world is different and you are special or better than the last.
I will not insult my elders. I refuse.
December 17, 2014 at 3:34 pm
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In regards to your Grandma, and your idiotic arguments here:
Age is just a number, except for with old people and when it’s not a number according to you.
Then age has everything to do with destroying the U.S.
Right?
And this is not hypocrisy whatsoever, because all praise Stan’s whimsical posts, not one that has had links today (lazy I guess) and not one that hasn’t been rooted in whether or not I’m in the gym, I’m old, or some other pointless crap.
BRAVO!
December 18, 2014 at 5:57 pm
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Again:
You are spending your time calling my lazy physically and mentally. So I posted my workouts,
Then you called me weak.
You’re the one with the superiority complex, not me.
Bob – with as much as you work out, when do you have time to work? I have NOT ONCE seen you post an insurance related comment on this forum. Are you, or are you not, in the insurance business? If not, what the hell are you doing on here?
More conversation deviations. I’m just not replying to these anymore.
This is specifically to get a rise out of people. It’s just pathetic.
You’re the one who is bad for saying these things, not the people who reply to you. It has no place here. If you want to debate politics, DO IT, stop being a sniveling little boy.
Hey Bob, to show you how dumb Democrats have been, Clinton bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan when he thought Bin Laden was there. He let them get away with the the Kobar Towers bombing, the USS Cole, the embassies in Kenya and all he did was send a cruise missile to blow up an abandoned training site. And the left think Clinton was so smart.
Bob – this is not a political forum. It is an insurance forum, where political debates should be in relation to the insurance business. However, some people just have a need to rant and rave their political opinions at each and every opportunity. It’s not appropriate.
Now Bob, don’t be lazy. If you want to give up because, I am right. Fine, I respect that. But dont quit just because it’s hard to be persuasive. Here’s a hint: it’s easier for me because the Republican policies are factually bad for America. You’re trying to argue against gravity bro.
Classic Bob, giving up. And yet you want us to believe you lift all those weights. I bet you give up there too.
December 17, 2014 at 2:29 pm
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You sound like a republican.
Which is ironic. Bash your head against a wall and just keep fighting a pointless fight right?
I am choosing to not take a pointless argument. There is a distinct difference. Those who do not choose their battles, never win the important ones.
Napoleon could have focused on what color his socks were, how big his penis was, and other pointless factors. Instead he chose to focus on winning his battles. This is not to say I support his battles of course.
I choose to focus only on what truly matters. Not whether the sun goes ’round and ’round the garden like a little teddy bear.
To make a parody of the British Sherlock Holmes. You should watch that by the way. It’s a good show.
December 17, 2014 at 2:32 pm
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Napoleon lost at Waterloo, Bob. Surely you can find a link for that. And if I sounded like a republican, wouldnt that make you, Agent, and FFA more receptive to my arguments? Or are you all just furious over an everchanging world and young people (real young people, not young people via technical lie) just make a nice scapegoat?
December 17, 2014 at 2:36 pm
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I’m telling you, that you sound like what you perceive republicans to be. Idiot.
Moving on: It doesn’t matter that Napoleon was eventually defeated. So was Alexander the great, his empire eventually fell.
I’m talking about people who focused on getting things done. They don’t focus on the color of their socks or crap.
They focus on facts.
My decision to not focus on your crap, is not giving up on all of life. You are way too over dramatic.
Oh no! I have given up the fight of whether or not I go to the gym, or am ugly with Stan! I’m so weak!
If I fight back, I’m so weak for not shutting my mouth! Oh boo hoo!
No win scenarios right?
You’re trash. Now get lost. You’re arguing with an intellectual elite. Go pick someone else to bully. It isn’t working here.
December 17, 2014 at 2:37 pm
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Well, in that case, Republican theories are also dying. And progressive policies are going to be taking over because, get this, they are progressive, as in better than the old policies.
Mission accomplished.
December 17, 2014 at 2:38 pm
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hahahaha an intellectual elite who spends all day (except mondays!) in the gym in a city he hates but wasnt smart enough to get out of. Riiggghhhttt, Bobby.
December 17, 2014 at 2:47 pm
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Of course, because you are either an intellectual elite, either fat and balding or nerdy and skinny, or in the gym.
More stereotypes coming from an open minded liberal, who thinks republicans are bigoted.
What I mentioned was in no way related to your mission accomplished statement.
If you want to debate republican and democrat ideals, DO SO.
December 17, 2014 at 2:50 pm
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All day except Mondays and Thursdays I might add.
Apparently you don’t know basic math. I said I have a 5 day week and even spelled it out.
And you just did the math and figured all weeks are 6 days long, correct? You are such an intellectual person Stan! Keep it up!
So hilarious.
I already posted info regarding the LPR, age range of where it is declining, and explained how if the LPR goes down, unemployment goes down, so unemployment on its’ own cannot show the jobs scenario in the U.S.
And you laugh and call me an idiot. I’m an intellectual elite. People do not look into the individual ages of the LPR, and you know it. This does show I am not stupid. I do research. You just disagree with me. You refuse to argue research though.
Instead, all republicans are hypocrites, and general statements about people who work out, or something. Right?
December 18, 2014 at 4:47 pm
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One thing Bob that Stan still doesn’t realize is that the country turned red on him a few weeks ago and his beloved Progressive Socialist Party got their head handed to them. It is only going to get worse for them when legislation starts hitting them between the eyes starting in January. All he can do is snarl, insult people that disagree with him.
December 18, 2014 at 6:42 pm
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Bad news for you Agent. Even lazy Bob agreed with the article I posed a few weeks ago: the country is undeniably leaning left and the Republicans cannot field a national presidential candidate. Irrespective of whether democratic or republican policies are best, the country is turning more and more progressive and there is nothing you silly Agents can do about it.
Bummer, bro.
December 17, 2014 at 12:09 pm
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I have ADD Tendencies. These long post…. I scan them looking for talking points. His post was directed at you so, no I did not. I know enough about Bob – Family Man doing why he has to and taking his responsibilities serious. Same with Agent & Sarge and many others.
I side with people that realize how bad OBama has damaged the Health Industry in particular as well as how bad a president this guy is. He may as well be Mark Trestman. This PPACA has got to be the most damaging “law” in our history. People who defend / support Govt Intrusion in to private business, I will never side with. So, here is your home work for today…Find one law where govt stuck their nose into private industry and made things better. I am 52, so lets limit it to that time frame. Hint… Its not the PPACA.
Im sure they take their responsibilities seriously. So do 5yr olds in a school play. That doesnt mean we should take their political views seriously. And this law is not damaging, millions of people now have health insurance.
What have the Republicans been offering? Well, they have a strong, militant, anti-labor union agenda—it’s really the most consistent stance in their platform. That’s it.
Obama has spoken often and passionately about the plight of the middle class, about declining wages and lost jobs and so forth. But since 2010, his ability to impact these things has been severely limited by the GOP House, which refused to enact any Democratic policies, and has on several instances attempted to use the threat of government shutdowns to win rollbacks. Unfortunately, the GOP has little new or serious to say on these issues–uttering the same supply-side nonsense (tax cuts for the rich, reduction of regulations, and race to the bottom) that they’ve been offering since 1980.
Admittedly, I’m bone-tired of Democratic cowardice. But the Republicans have nothing to offer me. Anti-unionism? A return to June Cleaver days? Religious militancy? No, no, and hell no.
Bob’s weight lifting and Agent’s lunacy help and persuade no one.
“Bob’s weight lifting and Agent’s lunacy help and persuade no one.”
The reason why you believe that is all we focus on, is because you ignore
“The reason they talk about the actions of the 80′s, is that the actions of the 80′s work.
Unions are not a good thing as a side comment. But I won’t go into that.”
And then talk about weights instead of the topic at hand.
You see what you want to see, stupid republicans that cannot stay on topic, while you try to throw them off the rails.
Stay on topic.
Do you want to debate Reagan Vs Obama?
I already showed you how an unemployment rate will drop, no matter the jobs scenario, if the labor participation rate goes down. If the LPR goes up, then if no jobs are added the unemployment rate will go down.
So Reagan had the LPR go up, while the unemployment rate went down.
Obama had the LPR go down, while the unemployment rate went down. Meanwhile, this is not due to college students or retirees.
While this site typos the exact number of points, he has the charts and data which show the ages of those in the LPR read this:
For just the age group of 30 to 59 year olds, they account for 0.73 of the 0.96 percentage point drop in the overall unadjusted labor participation rate from a year ago. The same age group is responsible for 2.29 of the 2.06 percentage point drop in the overall unadjusted labor participation rate from October 2009 to October 2013. The reason the 30 to 59 year olds 2009 to 2013 labor participation rate plunge is greater than the overall decline is due to older workers increasing in their labor participation as shown in the above graphs for ages 60 and above. From October 2007 to October 2013 the 30 to 59 year olds participating in the labor force accounted for 3.0 of the 3.1 percentage drop in the labor participation rate, unadjusted, using October to October labor force statistics.
I should also add:
That after Obama’s stimulus, and after his programs wound down, etc, the jobs numbers actually are up this year. What’s with that? Spending is down, and jobs are up this year. Obama can’t get anything down with the blocking republican congress, and the economy is picking up.
Do you know what this reminds me of? 1995, the government shut down battle. The republicans obstructed Clinton, and then we had surpluses and an economic expansion. It was not before hand. Clinton’s second term was specifically far exceeded by his second.
What gives?
It shows that getting the government to stop acting, is more important than getting them to act.
The stimulus wasn’t necessary, and now racked up way too much debt. QE wasn’t necessary, and now caused another housing bubble, and inflation.
You’re free to debate and disagree with me. You are NOT free to call me an idiot because you disagree with me.
Normal people don’t look up what I just put. YOU don’t look up the LPR and compare the ages of those involved. You just say “hey unemployment is down! we are better off!”.
The unemployment rate can be down without jobs being added. Your methodology is flawed.
I compare more aspects, like the LPR, and the age range of those in the LPR to show that the LPR is actually quite relevant, and you say I’m stupid.
No, you don’t. You’re a liar just like you lied about your age and Osama, why would we believe you lift weights or know anything about monetary policy? Great you can google NPR and .org articles. A nobel laureat Krugman disagrees with you. I believe him over some internet tough guy tool-liar.
Go do something else Bob. This is where the adults and Agent debate. Or were you lying about your commitment to stop talking too?
December 17, 2014 at 2:16 pm
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I did not lie about my age.
How old did I say I was?
I told you that I didn’t correct you when you called me an old geyser. I said the only thing I have “technically” lied about was my age.
I basically allowed you to believe I was an old geyser when I was not.
I’m older than you, but not by much. Unless you’re in the early 20’s, which is possible.
And none of what you just said directed my link (which you say I’m too lazy to post)
and none of it addresses why the 30-55 age range of the population does not have jobs and is declining still. None of this shows Obama has fixed the economy. It shows the pattern has continued whereas with Reagan, the pattern stopped.
December 17, 2014 at 2:18 pm
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As for my lifting weights, I do.
And I don’t care what you think on the matter. You only want to believe I don’t so you can call me a wimp.
Lifting doesn’t matter to me. To you, it’s a matter of social superiority. The same goes for if I do work out, I must be neglecting my family. Social superiority. But, this also shows you don’t work out.
You wanted to insult me on the basis that I don’t work out, but you yourself take offense to those who work out, shown in the fact that you said I ignored my family if I did, so it is clear that you do not work out on a regular basis.
I know people. I know why they make the arguments they do.
When you insult a guy online, he usually tells you that you are wrong.
It isn’t internet tough guy to say “No. I am not weak physically, I actually work out”
It is however internet tough guy, to actually call someone weak physically and intellectually in order to get that response.
You are weak, due to this.
Not your failed gym attempts.
Now argue politics, and stay on topic. Or is that too hard for you?
December 17, 2014 at 2:25 pm
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Bob, a “technical lie” is still a lie, pal. Not sure why you need to be “technically a tool” but you are. You cant just come on here, talk about lifting, technically lie about your age, promise to send me a picture, then take it back, then apologize, then take it back, then promise to stop talking, then take that back too.
Maybe you’re just confused. You should “lie” down. Should be easy for you.
December 17, 2014 at 2:32 pm
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Stan,
Wrong. Totally wrong.
I called myself out, not you, as a liar. I called myself technically a liar for not telling you my age.
It was a figure of speech, I also said do you want to know a secret. I was mocking you, and your preemptive decision about my age. You are so stupid, you know think that me calling myself a “technical” liar, is proof that everything I say is a lie. It was actually me saying satirically, that you were so stupid that when I never stated my age, you actually believed I was a geyser.
The technical lie, is that you assumed my age. Do you know what irony is?
Idiot.
December 17, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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Oh Bob, you’re such a tool. I hope IJ doesnt ban you for being so goofy! You’re like a silly dog, except you’re not loveable.
December 17, 2014 at 3:46 pm
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Obama gets a pass from Stan for many blatant lies to every American, but Bob don’t for a technical lie in a little ole Insurance Blog about something that don’t matter to any one..
Double Standard…. Bob, Run for Pres then you get a pass on any lie you tell.
December 17, 2014 at 3:56 pm
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I dont know if Obama purposefully lied, or if he was taken out of context, or if he was misquoted. I don’t care really because, as we all can see, when every single word you ever utter is front page news, you’re going to screw up eventually. And if thats the case, ill stick with the substance of the policy itself, and in this case, with the ACA, I believe that it is good for the country. Not great, because it doesnt contain costs, but it does expand coverage, and that is a good thing.
And Bob, you have to be strong to be president. Obama could lift 10x more than you. Probably beat you in basketball too. Tool.
December 17, 2014 at 3:59 pm
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Stan, acting like FFA:
It isn’t a double standard.
I was mocking you, you idiot.
The big lie, the big secret, is that I am not as old as you think.
It was satirical! For god’s sakes. You assumed my age and were wrong.
I finally decided to correct you.
And I called it a technical lie, since I never corrected you until that point, but the only reason I called this a technical lie, was that you were wrong the whole time, and I allowed you to look like an idiot.
Finally I revealed that I allowed you to look like an idiot who was wrong about my age.
December 17, 2014 at 4:48 pm
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Stan the spin doc says “I dont know if Obama purposefully lied”
Don’t watch the new much? New reported he repeated this lie at least 53 times after he knew it was not true.
Spin away Stan or just do some research. On the internet, ya know…
December 17, 2014 at 4:54 pm
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And what news should I watch? Fox News? I posted a NYT article the other day about the ACA being great for the american people. You all were unimpressed.
Print – Chicago Tribune. Chicago Sun Times. Daily Herald. Daily Chronicle. The Republican.
In other words, every news outlet.
You had to have your head buried up your a@# when that story broke.
December 17, 2014 at 5:19 pm
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Would it persuade you that the ACA is a good law if I found an article on one of those news outlets that said as much?
December 17, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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“Im sure they take their responsibilities seriously.”
I didn’t say other people didn’t. I simply stated they do. I’ll believe what I want to. You believe what you want to.
“And this law is not damaging, millions of people now have health insurance.”
Your feet are not on the ground dealing with this mess. Until they are, you – or anyone else – will never know the damage except on their SIPKING bills.
“What have the Republicans been offering?”
Don’t know. Don’t care. I just know its got to be better then this.
“anti-labor union agenda”
I have two brothers in unions. One lost his house due to No Work. The second was on the Unemployment line for three years picking up what ever “side job” he could to feed his family. Unions have out lived their usefullness.
“Obama has spoken often”
How can you believe anything he says. He is a proven Liar. He has zero credibility. You have more credibility then he does. The rest of your paragraph means nothing because you are defending a Liar.
“Bob’s weight lifting and Agent’s lunacy help and persuade no one.”
Your mind is already made up. So why should they bother to persuade you? That would be like me trying to convince Libby that Bob Segar Sucks…
I just gave you several examples and you responded – – eloquently – – with “dont know, dont care.” This is unpersuasive, FFA.
And until you’ve been rejected from insurance due to a pre-existing condition, then YOUR opinion doesnt matter because YOUR feet arent on the ground. The idea that only people’s views that count are the ones that are negatively affected by a piece of legislation is ludacris.
And if my mind is made up, what does that say about you? You’re opening position is that Obama is a liar. To refuse to believe that the ACA – – an incredibly complex law that is thousands of pages long and which affects millions of people – – makes Obama a liar because of one “keep your Dr.” statement legitimately blows my mind.
The future is not going to be kind to you man, and if you think Republican’s have a solution because “Obama = liar,” well I dont know what to tell you other than that you’re wrong and life is only going to be worse for you.
“And until you’ve been rejected from insurance due to a pre-existing condition”
It was available in IL. You must be smoking way too much pot as this has been part of our debate.
“Obama a liar because of one “keep your Dr”
One? I thought it was 53. Along with Keep your coverage. His Tax Scam in IL. His refusal to testify in the Blago Trial (what is he hiding). His association with convicted felons – Birds of a feather. Pardoning millions of criminals… Hell, major TV networks would not even televise that. Undeniable facts that I would not give any one a pass on.
“And if my mind is made up, what does that say about you”
Same thing it says about you. We are both exercising our constitutional right to make up our own minds. Guess we have something in common.
I don’t know if republicans have a solution – time will tell, but I know OfnBama don’t.
I dont know much about the IL insurance market prior to the ACA, but I do know that generally across this country you were ineligable for health insurance with a pre-existing condition. The ACA removed that barrier.
The ACA is one step towards a single-payer solution. If you, or your party, has another, I would be very excited to hear it. Obama = liar is not a solution by the way.
According to people on this forum, there was an outlet in other state. Indiana and Wi absolutely had one. Agreed, they need work. They didn’t need to be scrapped, they needed help.
December 18, 2014 at 4:58 pm
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FFA, we don’t need the left leaning NYT telling us the same lies that Obama has been telling. Obama is on tape 39 times telling us if we like our plan, we can keep it, if we like our doctor, we can keep him, we will save an average of $2,500 for a family. Then, we have his minion Gruber on tape numerous times with his lies, telling us we are stupid and can’t make decisions about our Healthcare so the Progressives had to tell us what we wanted. I suppose the 6 million that got their policies cancelled was a lie also. I had to send my customer to the BC website the other day so he could see if he could get a subsidy, because he can’t afford the most basic Bronze plan as quoted. Yes, the Progressive Democratic Party has the Liar in Chief in office for two more years. I wonder how many bills that help Americans he will veto before he leaves.
Well FFA refers to the news, now you say you dont need the news. Which is it, do you want to trust the news or not? Or do you just want to spout nonsense and then bitch when people are mean to you you?
Aww, poor Agent, all those facts are hurting his Texas Two Step Feelings. You big pansy.
I don’t see a single example of Govt Intrusion into private business that has helped the country in the past 52 years in your post. Just rambling about Unions.
My mind is made up. Obama has lied so many times when he knew the truth that anything he says needs to be proven.
Don’t know where you been the past year or so, but yes indeed, my feet are on the ground writing this business – guiding people through this complex complicated over regulated BS soft ware dumbest way of rolling out BS that has ever taken place.
For example, you have open enrollment for Medicare, Medicaid, Public Aid, Personal Health and Group Health all at once. How many million people is that? Right before the holiday? Logistically, its not workable for everyone to be after the same thing at the same time. Very Poorly thought out. Web site is a mess – It keeps crashing. People on the 800 number help as much as they can, but when the web site sucks, they run into the same issues I do. One I put on last week keep changing the effective date to 2/1/15. Over 4 hours on the phone with one frustrated “help Desk” gal to get it fixed. She voided what I input three times and re-entered it from scratch. One and Done does not exist with this the way it used to – before he stuck his nose into private industry. Even the ICHIP site worked better then this does. I could even help people with the Medicaid / Public Aid. Now – no. People are thrown to the wolves and can not get Licensed Professional help/advice.
I don’t know what the Reps have in mind. I do know it has got to be better then this.
Govt intrusion into private business? How about regulating energy markets in California? With deregulation, Enron ran rampant with rolling blackouts along the west coast.
How about the EPA reducing the amount of lead in food and toys for children? How about the FDA putting requirements on drug companies to ensure proper testing and labeling? How about the CDC effectively mitigating and ultimately stopping an Ebola pandemic on US soil? How about the creation of SS, a program that you paid into and which will ultimately keep you and your friends out of the gutters when your body and minds deteriorate to the point of infirmary.
Do regulations impose externalities on businesses? Of course. But just because those externalities make life harder for YOU, does not mean that they are bad for the country as a whole. What benefits small business is irrelevant to what is good for a nation. Stop being so selfish. And to think, you have the gall to call the young people of this country entitled. Unbelievable.
Yet you’re ready to kick millions of people off their insurance because you had a bad experience with a “call center gal.” Grow up dude.
Changing doctors is not the same as being without health insurance. And if anything, that is a stronger argument for MORE reform since insurance companies can basically do whatever they want right now. The market is working against you, FFA. Let the government work for you.
Tell that to any female. I dare ya…. Ask you mommy if she wants to change lady parts docs… Double dare ya… I know there are some women that just don’t care whos poking around beaver town, but they are the exception.
You don’t have what it takes to tell a woman that.
Especially a mom with a young teen age daughter… Triple Dare ya…
The govt don’t work. They cant agree what Toilet Paper to put in the Bath room.
when the change is based on a down right lie, it is a big deal to us god fearing folk – young and old.
“Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country” Ronald Reagan – no wait… That was a democrat that said that wasn’t it?
I would tell my mother the same as you, it’s not the end of the world to have to change obstetricians. It is the end of the world to not be able to see an obstetrician in the first place.
BTW, “BeaverTown” was a nice touch. I am sure that that will win you lots of XX chromosome friends.
December 17, 2014 at 5:10 pm
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Not even willing to ask her are ya? Chicken…. Yellow… Go ahead. Tell her…
You – simply put – don’t have what it takes to let women know Obama lied to them. Front line in arms reach… Had I knew that I was the one that was going to have to inform women of that lie that Obama told her, I would have never dived into PPACA writer. Suck being the messenger…
December 17, 2014 at 5:21 pm
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My mother did not have her plan change despite the ACA, so I guess Obama didnt lie to her. Weird.
December 17, 2014 at 5:34 pm
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Don’t even want to try it, do ya…. Just a chicken s#$@….
See my link down the line what the dumerthencraps are now trying to do in IL… If you don’t like links, google the Illinois Hearld.
December 17, 2014 at 5:35 pm
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Do I want to call my mother out of the blue and tell her she has to change obstetricians? No, not really. But I dont want to tell her that her health insurance premiums are going up either.
Both outcomes are independent of the ACA. Its not that your doctor is gone, is that your shit plan is gone because there was no coverage there to begin with because they were non-compliant. You old folks are just so weak and whiny. Its a wonder why Canada didnt invade us 30 years ago.
December 17, 2014 at 6:06 pm
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No Stan. that’s not independent of the PPACA. Once again, you are not buried up to your a#@ on this.
This mess is all on Obama.. Premium Spikes. People losing their coverage. Changing Doctors. Losing their plans they liked. Experiencing spikes in OOP’s. Poor service from Non Professionals. Now every year, they just don’t renew. Its in a flawed web site (if it works) do this that the next thing. If it don’t work, sit on hold and wait over an hour for an under trained non professional that don’t give a rats ass about you and wont hesitate to disconnect you if the question is over their head.
How is that better?
December 19, 2014 at 11:43 am
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FFA – I am one of many that don’t mind changing doctors, as long as I have access to see a doctor in the first place.
December 17, 2014 at 1:44 pm
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80% of people that live in this country work for Small Business. Govt make life hard on small business, it make life hard on 80% of people, you included.
Youre conflating owners of small business with employees of small business. More specifically, legislation that makes it harder for the owners of small business to retain the lions share of the profit, or that allow employees to leave small businesses easily for other businesses that pay more are technically bad for owners of small businesses, but they are good for the 80% of the country as a whole since those 80% are employees and not owners.
That is the whole point of voting democratic: enact policies that are good for employees, even if it costs the owners money.
This just in…. Whats bad for the goose is bad for the gander. Business fold, people lose their jobs. You included. So, be very careful you don’t kill the goose.
Enron… That was all Arthur Anderson. A Subject that hits way too close to home. I lost a lot of clients over that one. Large chunks of real estate went vacant in my immediate area because of that.
Many people that were employed by small business in my immediate area lost their jobs over that mess.
SS was not in my life time. That created a retirement income stream that did not exist. Private industry came into that market after SS was Created.
My local govt among many others are suing city halls through the Midwest because they strapped us to the Prairie State Power Plant. You lost that argument.
The FDA is currently blocking a surgical procedure that I need. Its been done successfully for years in Europe. You lost that argument.
Lead Paint…. You won that one. One out of three…. That’s Millions of dollars a year in MLB.
This is wrong. If a CEO makes $1mm instead of $20mm but the employees get raises and can afford to send their kids to college, that is not “bad for the gander” FFA. Its redistributive, but it has no effect on competitiveness. You are misplacing your faith in a flawed model of economics.
And Arthur Anderson was complicit in the accounting, not the deregulation. Again, you’re conflating two seperate issues. And its also telling that youre mad about the demise of a giant corporation that was based on fraud! Literally thousands of people lost their pensions, their entire lives due to Enron’s fraud, and yet youre mad because you lost a client. Jesus dude, get over yourself.
Great, go to Europe to get your procedure. You will love it since you can pay for it out of pocket, just like the free market entails. You will even pay less over there since their govt.’s put downward pressure on pricing (more regulation!).
And for the record, my arguments are not based on whether you as an individual has been a loser in their implementation. Just like its success wouldn’t be based on my gain. Its judged across millions of people, the macro effect.
Besides Agent, A lot of this stuff was while I was stuck on hold with PPACA crap.
Stan thinks the issues are just hitting me. He don’t realize how many people were affected by Obamas lies.
Yea, I know Stan bush blah blah blah…
December 18, 2014 at 5:04 pm
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FFA, I haven’t seen you this worked up in a while. Stan likes to agitate and loves his community organizer, no matter how bad he has governed. By the way, lead paint on children’s toys were let in from China by you guessed it, our government. Lead paint has been gone from American paint manufacturers for many years now. China, not so much.
I just practice with Stan. Get warmed up for my more mature Grand Kids… He’s just a dufas.
I have some of them Lead Pain Bobble Heads Mc Donalds was giving out a few years back. Yes… Made in China.
December 18, 2014 at 6:45 pm
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Youre honest to god a first-class moron, Agent. The EPA enforces standards which prevent China from selling / importing lead based toys. We dont manufacture them here anymore because your generation sold out the country by exporting jobs overseas. Great work, Boomers.
December 18, 2014 at 6:58 pm
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FFA, define mature? Are they nicer to you? Or do they just keep quiet when youre complaining about Obama because they know better than to reason with an out of touch old man? No offense, I personally cant wait to be out of touch and old. It means my debt was forgiven and I can finally start to take from the govt too.
December 19, 2014 at 10:43 am
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They dislike Liars (OBama) too. They aspire to be self sustaining. Don’t complain much when they don’t get what they want. Don’t have that sense of entitlement. They don’t hate people that have lived the American Dream. When something needs to be done, they do it and don’t complain.
December 19, 2014 at 11:18 am
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FFA, that is touching and all, but you and Agent are the two biggest complainers on this entire forum. All you do every day is complain about Obama this and Pelosi that. Why dont you take some of your own advice and do what needs to be done to improve your own situation instead of having some sense of entitlement that nothing can ever be changed?
December 19, 2014 at 1:10 pm
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That’s because we are on the front line of this OBama Care crap. More horror stories then success stories.
Had another Joe average call me yesterday stating how OBama screwed them too.
Had he not stuck his nose into this, I could probably care less about him one way or the other. He screwed everyone with this PPACA crap.
December 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm
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Great, so you can complain because you’re “stuck in the middle of it” but young people should just stop complaining that they cant find good jobs because “entitlement.”
You dont know what you’re talking about bro. Hypocrite at best. Either people should take responsibility – ALL PEOPLE – or they have a right to complain about systemic changes that affect their life. If youre going to bitch, get off your high horse about other people.
December 17, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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” If a CEO makes $1mm instead of $20mm” If , If and If. Find me a small business man making that kind of money. It not me. Its not Agent. None of my peers, even the GA I work with.
Millions of people doing the same thing at the same time…. It is unrealistic to think that every American can visit that web site and get everything done in the small window of time allowed. Its like me walking in to buy a lotto ticket thinking that I know the winning powerball number. Just not going to happen.
That is a fair point, the definition of “small business” should change, as you’re technically viewed the same as small 20 man hedge funds in NYC where they do make those kinds of sums.
And the exchange website is not for every american, its for those without coverage, roughly 10% of the population or 30mm people. And get this old man, websites can handle that kind of traffic. Facebook handles over 1b queries a day.
What is unrealistic apparently is for old people to think for themselves instead of hating the internets, young people, and Obama.
Bob isnt the “worst ever.” Sure, he’s dumb and weak and makes silly arguments based on google’d links. But he’s at least trying. Lets just agree he’s a fool and ignore him.
JK Bob youre super smart and we all look up to you bc youre totes an “intellectual” lol.
December 17, 2014 at 4:07 pm
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Ah yes, as opposed to your links being….Not googled.
Got it. I thought you said that republicans had an aversion to the internet?
A hypocrite again? Shocking!
I am an intellectual elite. Did you, or did you not, look up the LPR in comparison to the unemployment, and find out who was dropping out of the job market?
Did you find out that the unemployment rate was going down largely due to the lowering LPR rate?
You have no way of knowing I’m weak, and it makes you weak calling me weak.
As for dumb, the LPR rate and the link to the unemployment rate, compared to Reagan, is completely relevant information that is not dumb.
It’s research you don’t agree with.
Methodology right?
I’m quoting sources to show numbers, then I set up the methodology. Do you disagree with the numbers I posted? Do you have proof they are wrong? Or are you using stereo types and insults to disregard variables of information? If it is the last of those, you are the problem with this country, and are in fact “stupid”.
Basically I showed you that the labor participation rate under Reagan went up with the unemployment, and that the LPR under Obama is down, and showed it is not due to retired folks. It is due to the labor force shrinking under Obama. It grew under Reagan.
I will say I don’t believe Obama is the worst president ever. This largely goes to FDR, whom gets a free pass for insane actions.
I consider Obama to average – bad. He is on the average side, but on the worse side of average.
I consider Bush W to be the average – average.
I consider Carter to be bad, – average
I consider Clinton to be average – good.
But apparently I’m a crazy republican. Go kick some leaves around Stan. You’re an extremist.
December 17, 2014 at 4:09 pm
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FFA, I agree. It is no contest. It used to be close between Jimmy Carter and Obama for which one was the worst. Now, Carter is in his back mirror and Obama is by far the worst. Just today, he wants to normalize relations between the US and the most brutal Communist Dictatorships in the world, the Castro led Cuba. What a joke. I wonder why people have risked their lives to flee from that paradise for the past 50 years.
December 17, 2014 at 4:27 pm
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Jimmy Carter lead to Billy Beer. Not sure if that makes him worse or not, but it closes the gap.
December 17, 2014 at 4:58 pm
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You all mis-read. He said FDR was the worst president ever. You know, the one who steered the country through the great depression and WWII and enacted the New Deal?
Bob, the fact that you consider yourself to be an elite intellectual is just so great. Dude, you’re a nerf brain at best. Tool.
December 17, 2014 at 5:07 pm
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Japanese internment camps,
burned crops to increase the price of food during the recession,
Favored large farm companies for subsidies,
FDR did not guide us out of the depression. He lengthened it.
The government over reach during his presidency was insane.
December 17, 2014 at 5:10 pm
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You are a prime example of indoctrination, at the deepest level.
You do not even know anything about FDR. At all.
December 17, 2014 at 5:11 pm
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The country was in shambles with people starving in the streets. I would say that FDR is arguably the second greatest president behind Lincoln, steering the country through the worst crisis since the Civil war.
Bob, I know I was making fun of you earlier, but to adhere to the “FDR overreached” position is really remarkable. Even by WA standards, you truly are a dipshit.
December 17, 2014 at 5:24 pm
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FDR did not fix this, he lengthened it.
Simply being president for 3 terms didn’t mean you fixed the problems of that time.
Recessions tend to be bounce back up quickly. The great depression is one of the few this didn’t occur.
FDR was not one of the greatest presidents, and specifically attempted to shut down radio stations who didn’t support his agenda.
Also: Can you name, another president, who WHILE PEOPLE WERE STARVING as you just mentioned, destroyed food and crops to increase the cost of food?
Why didn’t he simply create a tax offset for giving away all your extra crops and food to the poor? Or pay them for it? He was not efficient. When you burn crops and destroy food while people are starving, you aren’t helping people.
And what do you have to say about the Japanese internment camps?
If we want to debate FDR without randomly saying it is preposterous to ever infer he might be bad, you might actually research something. You lack research here from refusing to consider he might have been bad.
December 17, 2014 at 3:43 pm
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I dont hate old people, I hate foolish republican sheep who, as a demographic, tend to be older, whiter, and more christian. You could make a similar argument for hating the unemployed / entitled who tend to be younger, educated, and liberal. The difference is that the young people have never owned or controlled anything, so it seems silly to blame them for anything since they have never had the reigns.
Stan, can I recommend a good Psychotherapist for you? Your brain is so screwed up and you are so hateful to experienced businessmen, I doubt you will ever find employment. FFA & I and Sargeant were never handed anything in life and had to work our butt off to get into and build our business. I know that is a foreign concept to you, the entitled. We used our brain, work ethic and energy to get where we are. We didn’t sit around downloading apps on iphones or playing xbox when we needed to find work and start a career. How about using your education to get out and do something instead of complaining about us.
Agent, thanks for the encouragement. I actually did find a job, but it’s a shitty one (probably working for one of your “back in my day we were smart and hard working!” friends).
And save your sanctimony, you had an expanding economy, cheap housing, affordable education, and surplus housing. That is all gone now due to globalization. The world is different. If it was still easy, you all wouldnt be on here bitching about Obama ruining your life.
Turns out its just hard to make it these days no matter what age.
Stan you wern’t around in the 70’s. This recession is not the first we have lived through.
December 17, 2014 at 4:44 pm
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Stan, had you studied your history for even 5 minutes, you might know that it wasn’t all Peaches & Cream for anyone 30-40 years ago. Lot’s of ups and downs. My first employment after finishing school and the military was in a retail paint store. Now that is hard work, starting early and finishing late. I was most happy when I was recruited into the Insurance Industry. We all started at subsistence level, got promotions, raises, advanced etc. No such thing as starting at the top like you want to do. I lived in a number of apartments until I could qualify for a home loan and then bought a small home. We all had a lot of debt, just a different kind of debt than you do. We were all personally responsible for ourselves and our families. By the way, you should be thankful that someone gave you a job. With your attitude, that is a minor mircacle.
December 17, 2014 at 4:46 pm
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Yes. Not like there was a horrible recession in the 70’s or any hardships for the older generation whatsoever.
And you refuse to acknowledge the housing prices are high, because of current democrats finding way to ensure the housing market would not bottom out. They figured there would be more cash in the market if houses were worth more. They were concerned with deflation. deflation is when there is less currency in the market, but it is more valuable, and housing costs go down. They say here:
“The administration estimates that simply by reducing foreclosures, the plan could stop the slide in home prices by as much as $6,000 per property.”
But moreover, housing costs actually did drop during the recession and are still down. So housing costs are actually no longer completely out of control, chances are you can buy more home for your money than you could in the late 80’s.
You act like their lives were easy. They were not.
And education was not more affordable.
As for surplus housing, if you’re buying a house in a highly populated area, it will cost more. There is literally less land, and more people. This is why it is harder to find surplus land. Not some evil republican ideals.
December 17, 2014 at 4:53 pm
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You also had a strong manufacturing base and no women in the workforce. In other words, you had an expanding economy, a shortage of labor, and affordable goods. And you’re still bitching.
Make up your mind, either times are the same now as they were, in which case you all must suck since you’re making less than you were. Or times are now different due to systemic changes – – changes that are global in nature – – which have made life harder for workers of all ages.
December 18, 2014 at 5:09 pm
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Stan, send us the name of the company you work for and the owners name and we will be glad to tell them how smart you are and we will write a good recommendation for you. Perhaps he will give you a raise and a more prominent role in the business.
December 18, 2014 at 6:46 pm
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Oh I just work for this dipshit rural Texas Agent who is always spouting off about Obama this and Pelosi that. You know the type, talks a big talk but everyone makes fun of him behind his back. No sense telling him the truth, after all, he writes my check and I might as well take his money.
A fool and his cash are soon parted. You know, that sort of thing. Thank you for the kind offer though.
December 19, 2014 at 11:12 am
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Agent, he is probably “dancing” at the Senior Center. Thats why he thinks he is handsome.
December 17, 2014 at 4:14 pm
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I never said I hate younger unemployed entitled democrats.
Some republicans say this, and apparently you agree.
It doesn’t matter if they have never owned or controlled anything. That’s the meaning of “entitled”. Thinking that because you have never owned or controlled anything that you are ready to. You’re not.
And you just back petaled and said you hate foolish republican sheep, who tend to be older whiter and more Christian.
You hate older whiter Christian people.
They aren’t sheep. They believe differently than you, with quite good backed up facts. You are not special. You are not the only educated person in the world, who is always right and everyone else basically stupid because they don’t agree.
This is unbelievable with you Stan. Your weakness is exactly this. You assume you already know everything and others haven’t looked things up.
back “petaled?” hahah you dipshit, it’s “pedaled” like a bike, not “petal” like a flower. Some intellectual heavyweight you are.
And I am not saying young people should own everything, im saying its foolish to blame them for something when they havent controlled anything. I hope you can see the difference, not many weight lifters can.
I did not say I hate older whiter christian people, I said I hate republicans. There is a difference. Kind of like saying I hate rabid dogs, which tend to be a subset of dogs. That doesnt mean you hate all dogs though.
The one exception is tools, I hate all tools. Especially the lazy ones.
And they are sheep, dummy. Look in the mirror (they have those at the gym you know).
Here I even wrote you a nice little rhyme:
Bahhhhh Bahhhh Bob Sheep,
do you happen to be a tool?
Yes sir yes sir, of shit I sure am full.
December 17, 2014 at 5:19 pm
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Haha, you dip $hit, your mother is a hermaphrodite. I am an intellectual heavy weight. Just a side comment on this: My brother happens to have written a thesis on dark matter, and how to account for the section of space that we are unable to measure, upwards of…10 years ago. Guess how often he typos when talking conceptually? All the time. You mock people for it is the difference. I don’t, other than you, who has a habit of mocking me. If you want to mock grammatically I will crush you. We are going to argue my concepts, not whether I said petal or pedal.
Now you are insulting weight lifters again, calling them stupid. This is a bigotry mind. You would have been racist in the 60’s. This is not an opinion, but rather a fact.
You said you cannot blame them for being unemployed then if I am now understand your phrasing. That is debatable to a degree. But I will give you this one. It is one of the first logical things you have said that works to any degree.
I am not a sheep, and I would screw you up in person for talking this way to me.
I hate to say it like that but I would
NO ONE talks to me like a child who is lead, just because I post facts they don’t agree with. You are free to call me wrong. You are not free to call me a sheep, with a children’s song I used to play for my daughter.
December 17, 2014 at 5:24 pm
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Typical Sheep: goes straight to his big brother for authority!
And more internet tough guy talk. “Screwing me up in person.” Who even says that? I bet youre some fat 13 year old kid on his dad’s computer typing out insults from some Seattle suburb. Go do pushups, Lazy Sheep Bob.
December 17, 2014 at 5:35 pm
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The type who is being harassed says that. You aren’t showing respect.
It does not make you a sheep to quote outside relevant information. It is wisdom. You are incapable of knowing every single aspect of the world independently.
Do you suppose, attorneys never look at the legal codes again after college to reference it?
Do you suppose programmers never look up code from others for help?
Do you suppose programmers who are being sued rely on coding information in their brain to defend themselves?
I only mentioned my brother due to the fact that he wrote a thesis on dark matter. Dark matter, child.
His IQ is 151, he graduated post grad school, that was his thesis. He cannot write for crap.
Literally, he can’t write at all.
My grammar says nothing about my facts. You need to learn that, and I showed you a relevant example, and it does not make me a sheep. You piece of trash.
December 17, 2014 at 5:38 pm
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You will respect me.
Calling me a 13 year old lazy sheep man to get a reaction out of me is not ok.
At all. It shows what trash you are, what an utter weakling, what a worthless depraved lunatic you are that the insults are what you treasure and disrespecting mankind, of which I am a part.
I would love to see you in a sparring match, intellectually or physically.
December 17, 2014 at 5:41 pm
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I havent read your brother’s paper. Can you post a SSRN link to it? Id be curious to know what Dark Matter is.
Also, you are a sheep because you just spout nonsense, talking about weight lifters being racist and sheeps being tools and whatnot. You’re a non-person dude. At least FFA is coherent in his dumbness.
December 17, 2014 at 5:50 pm
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I am coherent. I talked about weight lifting after you insisted on calling me lazy physically, and still insist on doing so. If you don’t want to talk about it, don’t call me lazy. If you stopped calling me a tool, we wouldn’t discuss it. It is your choice to talk about that, not mine.
Moving off of that:
How many people would you say believe FDR is the best president ever? Is it not generally considered that the majority opinion marks an ideal that would be considered a following like sheep?
How many people do you know that don’t agree FDR is the second best president?
It is because they were taught it. In highschool I wasn’t taught about FDR’s policies. I was taught about the new deal, the next new deal, and WWII. Did you even know what I mentioned about japanese internment camps or the food? You don’t know these things, and instead of think about them, you label the very action of questioning FDR and disregard them. How is that not being a sheep?
Regarding my brother’s paper I will consider it. Though this will give you far too much info on who I am for my comfort.
December 17, 2014 at 5:55 pm
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Bob, believe me, I dont even respect you, much less admire you enough to look into who you are. Like everyone else, I dont care about nobodys.
Post that paper bro. I love physics almost as much as I love FDR.
December 17, 2014 at 6:21 pm
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Very classy response, you don’t respect me as a person like most republicans, which is really a pleasant way to be. I’ll ask my brother for the title of the paper.
It is proving difficult to find it without it.
December 17, 2014 at 7:24 pm
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I found the paper, Stan.
Even upwards of ten years ago we had no clue how to account for dark matter.
I am not sure even barring my own reputation that I can give this to you. It is my brother’s work, and he has a dedication to our father in it.
I can tell you he goes over Lya photons, baryonic gas is used for his testing example, and he references warm dark matter.
He’s an unbelievably smart man, and is republican like myself, contrary to your belief that republicans are stupid.
He rather infamously told another physicist who was being a sheep about democrat politics, that something that a politician they favored was stating could be done was bluntly physically impossible. Then he drew up the equations, and told the guy that he needed to think with his head, and not with political allegiances.
You call republicans stupid, and I find it caters to a stereo type that he suffered through graduating post grad.
At one point he was told to apologize for having voted for George W Bush, and was frantically attacked. He was also demeaned for being religious.
I know right? He’s religious AND graduated a renowned physics post grad school? That’s impossible right?
These stereo types you and people like you breed are damaging.
December 17, 2014 at 7:34 pm
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My other brother, also a republican, was a computer sciences major, who recently took some web development classes to just get into a more simple career.
I suppose he is stupid too. Never mind that his IQ was also around 150, and he actually came extremely close to a 4.0 in these web development classes, while working full time, with complete ease. He was docked for a trait all my siblings have:
Their intellect is far beyond their personal skills. In other words: He was asked to do a web development task, and his artistic sense was found to be lacking. He still received an A on it, but he did not get a 100%. I still remember telling me that if it were not for that project he would have a 4.0. Now he’s making $75,000 a year in web development. That is with a new 2 year degree, not his first one. He got that job a few years ago. So the question is as a side comment: Why did you struggle so much? He got back up on his feet with a degree change and a job change.
He just doesn’t know how to do research or get ahead right? He doesn’t know how to look up political information right? He’s just plain dumb! Nevermind that he found out the way out of the crap is to go forward into new areas, he is just dumb.
The brother who did the post grad was Valid Victorian in high school. Clearly, he was dumb. He graduated with I believe it was 3 majors and 4 minors in 3 and a half years. He is literally like Einstein in many ways. For example: His math was not nearly as advanced as his physics, though I always laughed when he would say that since he took multi-variable advanced calculus at a rather young age, and he did just fine in the class (though he hated it).
December 18, 2014 at 10:22 am
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“At least FFA is coherent in his dumbness.” says the underemployed dumb ass living off him mommy up to his eye balls in debt to the person that owns his house, a lake house two cars while keeping three people employed while supporting 7 people while shelling out over $20K / 4 to keep his parents in the correct facility so end of life can be managed properly.
I guess if Bob was a lazy ass like you, you would respect him.
December 18, 2014 at 10:24 am
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Bob, if you want the kids respect, maybe you should just start telling him blatant lies 53 + times, cheat on your property tax and excuse millions of criminals.
December 18, 2014 at 11:05 am
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Man, FFA, for a person with so much and who is so capable, you sure are upset about those silly Dems ruining your life. Perhaps you would like to trade places with me? Id happily vote Republican with all your assets. But without those assets, Ill stick with my govt. handouts.
Make sure you pay your taxes this year. My debt isnt going to relieve itself.
December 18, 2014 at 11:21 am
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And Bob, your brothers sound very smart. They might even know where Osama was located. Intellectual elite to be sure.
December 18, 2014 at 5:44 pm
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I know where Osama was found.
Libby did not. She said Iran.
Further to the point: Even if I were wrong (which I wasn’t) you have one aspect you believe I was wrong about.
One.
Now you just need to shut up.
Unbelievable.
Also: Mock my brother again, and I will flex a little more of my intellectual muscle to embarrass you. You fail to see that I have humiliated you in these posts. You have not been looking good kid.
December 18, 2014 at 6:49 pm
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Bob you’ve spent more time on here talking about weight lifting than anything else. pretty sure it’s not me who’s been humiliated. Nor have I been the one to humiliate you. You seem like you’ve got a handle on it.
And for the record, Sheep, I wasnt mocking your brother. He’s not on here talking about curls, nor does he appear to be from Texas, so he’s done two things right thus far. Intellectually elite I would say.
Tool.
December 18, 2014 at 7:00 pm
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And if you knew where he was found, why did you say Iraq? Why are you always back “pedal*”ing what you previously said? I am beginning to think that you didnt really mean it when you apologized and said that you loved me earlier . . .
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December 19, 2014 at 11:05 am
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I think you can find Osama in the White House..
December 19, 2014 at 12:47 pm
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FDR was keenly interested in farm issues and believed that true prosperity would not return until farming was prosperous. Many different programs were directed at farmers. The first 100 days produced the Farm Security Act to raise farm incomes by raising the prices farmers received, which was achieved by reducing total farm output. He did not have crops burned and livestock slaughtered to starve people. What he did do was to lessen the amount of production on the farms so that prices would rise for the farmers. So fewer acres were planted and meat production was lowered for economic reasons – not burning and slaughtering.
December 19, 2014 at 12:53 pm
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Bob – get your shit straight. I said Afghanistan, not Iran. And I was wrong. Big whoop. It’s not the first time and I’m sure it won’t be the last. But at least I’m big enough to admit when I am wrong, unlike all you dumbass Republican hypocrites on here. Now go lift some weights and leave me alone.
December 19, 2014 at 1:00 pm
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Libby,
I haven’t been talking to you have I?
I have left you alone. Regarding your farm commentary, he specifically favored large farms for subsidies. You bought into the pitch, but what he actually did is another story.
He raised the cost of food during a depression in order to create government reliance.
He sold it as believing the farm market had to thrive before the economy did.
And further: Yes. Crops were destroyed.
December 19, 2014 at 1:02 pm
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Stan,
I love how you saying methadology, and calling your grandma a he (typos) doesn’t reflect on your intelligence, but my saying pack petal, will be pounded to the high heavens to show I have no intellect.
You graduated did you not? You follow my concept that I told you: Intellect has nothing to do with typos in a forum.
Moving on:
I just went over LPR’s and Reagan and Obama. You didn’t even debate it.
Instead YOU debated about my curls, and my weight lifting.
YOU keep bringing it up, and when I respond I’m a tool who talks about it?
STOP TALKING ABOUT WEIGHT LIFTING.
Jesus Christ!
Seriously, I don’t want to tell you another time that I go.
Stay on topic!
December 19, 2014 at 1:18 pm
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Bob – me mistaking Afghanistan for Pakistan is no difference than you writing petal vs. pedal. You act like you’re smarter than I am because you said Pakistan instead of Afghanistan, when I think I’m smarter because I know the difference between petal and pedal. One is mistaking the place of an event. The other is fundamental misunderstanding of the English language. I think the latter is a better sign of intelligence than the former. You lose.
December 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm
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Further, “but my saying pack petal, will be pounded to the high heavens to show I have no intellect.”
Similar to you, now three years later, still bringing up the fact that I said Afghanistan instead of Pakistan. You can dish it out, but you sure can’t take it. What a baby.
December 19, 2014 at 2:55 pm
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Libby,
Quite the contrary, he mocked my typing, and he mocked me for my knowledge of where Osama was located.
I actually called us equal Libby. I was saying if Libby can mess up, and you can mess up, so can I.
You really need to back off.
Have you read his posts this time around?
He has been antagonizing me for weeks, constantly bringing up my workout, or saying I’m on ‘roids and cannot comment about politics.
December 19, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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Further Libby:
He brought up my commentary on Iraq. I brought up you only to point out if he was right, you did the same thing.
And apparently your arguments are still valid.
Did I make that comment to discredit you?
No. I put your credit as being credible, and mine as credible as well, assuming he was correct.
This is old, the baby here is you.
Like you always do, I’m going to have to demand an apology.
I actually posted one of your links was funny recently. Though you probably didn’t see it.
December 19, 2014 at 3:16 pm
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1. You brought me into it when you mentioned, AGAIN, about my mistaking Afghanistan for Pakiston. It’s getting really old and annoying.
2. You not only brought up your workout, you have gone on ad nauseum about ever since; posting a 3-page detailed description of your daily routine. Really? Who cares?
3. You are the one that should back off. You are playing right into his hands by being so emotional. This is an anonymous forum and anyone can say anything about themselves. There is no way to prove it. So leave it alone. Nobody cares.
4. You still haven’t answered my question. Are you in the insurance business or not? I’ve never heard you utter one word remotely related to insurance.
December 19, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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It wasn’t your typing he mocked. It was your use of petal instead of pedal. Both similar in sound, but vastly different meanings.
I owe you no apology? For what? Calling you a baby. You have been acting like one. You say if I say a stupid remark you have the right to call me stupid. If you act like a baby, I have the right to call you one. Turnabout is fairplay. Now don’t be a baby about it.
December 19, 2014 at 3:24 pm
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Libby,
1. I mentioned my workout after he called me weak physically and mentally. As a male, when someone calls you weak, you show that you are not.
2. I mentioned you, because HE mentioned my commentary regarding where Osama was found to discredit ME.
The same thing you say is INAPPROPRIATE to be done to you. This was brought up to defend ME NOT attack you. You dumb piece of crap! I am being assaulted to no end, and you are just what, joining in? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Regarding my workout: It is something I am proud of doing, but I have SEVERAL times talked about the LPR, and the method of the 80’s, and INSTEAD OF GET OFF THE WORKOUT TOPIC Stan keeps calling me a wimp with small arms.
WHAT THE HELL LIBBY?
When someone says that, YES you go into your workout routine and call them weak for insulting you on it.
JESUS CHRIST YOU WORTHLESS HUMAN! IS ATTACKING PEOPLE ALL YOU BELIEVE IN??????
I HAVE NUMEROUS TIMES DEFENDED YOU WHEN YOU DESERVED IT YOU PIECE OF CRAP!
December 19, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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APPARENTLY IT IS OK FOR STAN TO DO THE UNACCEPTABLE THINGS FOR YOU RIGHT????
I ONLY BROUGHT THAT UP, AND HIS TYPING MISTAKES, BECAUSE IT IS ALL HE FOCUSES ON IN OUR DEBATES, AS WELL AS CALLING ME WEAK.
HE DOESN’T ARGUE THE POINTS.
LOOK ABOVE, HOW MANY TIMES DID I SAY STAY ON TOPIC, FORGET ABOUT MY WORKOUTS?
HOW MANY LINKS DID I GIVE REGARDING WORKOUTS IN THIS POST? NONE! HOW MANY REGARDING HOUSING VALUES AFFECTED BY DEMOCRATS?
I HAVE WHAT, 5 LINKS HERE?
YOU FREAKING IDIOT!!
December 19, 2014 at 3:38 pm
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I was neither defending Stan nor you; only pointing out that you bring this on yourself, Bob. He is just messing with you because you are so emotional. I was giving you some helpful advice. Instead, you turn around and do to me the EXACT SAME THING you are complaing about being done to you – insult me. And I quote:
“You dumb piece of crap!”
“WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?”
“YOU WORTHLESS HUMAN!”
“YOU PIECE OF CRAP!”
“YOU FREAKING IDIOT!!”
All because I called you a baby. Sure sounds like a temper tantrum to me.
Now. Who owes who an apology here? Uh. That would be you. To me.
But don’t worry. I won’t hold my breath. You have yet to apologize to me for any of your insulting rants or personal attacks, so I don’t expect it to happen now. Somehow you think it’s acceptable for you to act this way and you know what they say. You can’t reason with a baby.
December 19, 2014 at 3:45 pm
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No kidding Robert, why dont you take it down a notch? Try reasoning with facts for once instead of emotional ALL CAPS diatribes? Oh thats right, you cant, because youre the dumbest one tool on here.
SHEEP! lol
December 17, 2014 at 3:35 pm
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“And the exchange website is not for every American”,
The web site don’t work like he says it does. Another lie. He hired a Canadian Company with out the knowledge and expertise to make it work like face book. He hired his wife’s College pal – Cronyism…. He should have hired the face book folks. He didn’t. He opted for a foreign company sending your and my tax dollars over the border.
HHS is so jammed up right now, hold times exceed an hour and they can not deal with more then one applicant/problem in one call.
Back in the good ole days, 4 apps (my production on Friday) would have been wrapped up by noon. Instead, I averaged 2 hours per. I paid a service rep to sit on hold waiting and waiting and waiting…
My mother in law sold her house in Utah from IL over the internet when she was very ill. So to say old people don’t like the internet, well your just jumping to conclusions… we old folks like it when it works right the first time.
Wow, FFA. Is it any surprise why businesses and citizens are fleeing from Illinois in droves? I wonder when Obama will try this with IRA’s, 401K’s all over the country so he will have more money to waste. He will have to do this with the pen now, because the new House & Senate will not pass this blatant absconding with funds of citizens retirement plans. Is Quinn going to sign this on the way out the door?
The arrogance of these idiots. My Rep Senator is absolutely livid on his face book posts. All democrats… The mis manage the Sate emplyees Pension fund and now they want the private sectors…
Maybe you two should move to California? I hear San Francisco, arguably the most liberal city in the country, is literally booming. You all could even get iPhones and Facebook accounts just like real-life millennials!
Texas better tax situation, more jobs. Just too far away from the family. Wisconsin Economy is picking up, getting job instead of losing them like IL, Property taxes are half then what is gong on here. No Tax on food. Gas is .10 cheaper as soon as you cross the border.
Aside from all that, one of my carriers approached me and stated they are going to be very aggressive in WI. I haven’t heard “Soft Market” for ten+ years.
Plus, got a union buster in the Gov Mansion…
December 18, 2014 at 12:16 pm
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Maybe we should both move there. I would make a great neighbor.
December 18, 2014 at 12:30 pm
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FFA, you may want to consider close neighbor Indiana. That Mike Pence is doing some great things there with their economy and is following the successful formula used in Texas encouraging business, lowering the tax rate etc. Walker has survived the unions once again and will continue his success unless he runs for President. Both of them use common sense which is sorely lacking with Progressives. By the way, there are not many Progressive governors left now, especially after the latest blood letting in the mid terms.
December 18, 2014 at 12:33 pm
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Housing is dirt cheap there. You can lick up 2000 sq feet on 5+ acres for under $100,000. Hunt the land. Cut your food cost. Got Black Bear, Wolves, Coyotes, Deer, Wild Turkey, fishing is great. I don’t know where you at, but if the job market is dry, then all options need to be explored…
My nephew is agonizing about an out of state job offer. same situation your in. Recent College Grad. Two Degrees. Honor Roll and a huge college debt.
Free Advice from and old fart…. In my opinion, go where the money well is cause it aint gonna come to you. I am moving to a soft market.
You can adjust and adapt or let things just run you over. Just never cut the marketing budget.
December 18, 2014 at 1:34 pm
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Did you tell him to go to Wisconsin or Indiana? My impression of Indiana is that their number one export is college graduates. There is a great hollowing out of the Midwest with young people flocking to greener pastures on the coasts. That is my impression anyway.
December 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm
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Looks like some of your Red tax-cutting, no Govt. states are having problems, FFA. Kansas is having huge problems after Brownback reduced taxes. Their credit rating has gone to pieces, a good education system is falling apart. Kansas has problems because of cutting taxes.
“Two years ago Kansas embarked on a remarkable fiscal experiment: It sharply slashed income taxes without any clear idea of what would replace the lost revenue. Sam Brownback, the governor, proposed the legislation — in percentage terms, the largest tax cut in one year any state has ever enacted — in close consultation with the economist Arthur Laffer. And Mr. Brownback predicted that the cuts would jump-start an economic boom — “Look out, Texas,” he proclaimed.
But Kansas isn’t booming — in fact, its economy is lagging both neighboring states and America as a whole. Meanwhile, the state’s budget has plunged deep into deficit, provoking a Moody’s downgrade of its debt.”
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Does this count as News for you FFA? Or only news that spouts republican nonsense counts for you?
December 18, 2014 at 12:52 pm
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Not so good in SF for Insurance Companies Stan. SF based Fireman’s fund went completely belly up and sold off. They had only been there for about 150 years. Perhaps you should have applied for a position with them and you with your three degrees could have restored them to prominence since you are so smart.
I said I was educated, not smart. Bob is the one claiming to be an intellectual elite. Id say I am of average intelligence, which is to say, 2x as smart as your brightest Texan.
December 18, 2014 at 1:50 pm
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Stan, I hear Hammond Indiana is booming job wise.
December 18, 2014 at 1:54 pm
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I think his offer is an East Coast offer. As far as the Mid West goes, WI is up and coming, MI is starting to rebound with all the rich repub redeveloping the Detroit area and Indiana is grabbing some jobs from IL. IL, not so much. With this pension thing – the state ant to take over private pensions , gonna encourage more jobs to leave. We all know how Govt Intrusion into the private sector plays out…
December 19, 2014 at 3:17 pm
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Hey Stan, might I remind you that the United States of America has had its credit downgraded under Obama’s watch for the first time in the history of the country. Have you ever been to Kansas? I have. This is the state that elected Kathleen Sebelius as governor and she looked the other way when Tiller, the baby killer was doing his thing on late term abortions. Kansas problems is that they don’t have much diversity in their economy. It is primarily agriculture and wheat in particular. On the highway, you can drive 50 miles and only see a windmill on the horizon. I suppose those Agriculture Dept subsidies haven’t done them much good. If incentives to business and tax cuts were so bad, how come Texas has a substantial rainy day fund and no deficits without a state income tax?
December 19, 2014 at 4:01 pm
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Glad to see that you’re all for diversity, Agent.
But youre still wrong. The establishment Republicans are not even for small government or free markets. They are in denial about the unsustainability of Social Security and Medicare, and most want to increase military spending.
And the neocon branch comes from a long line of big government believers and control freaks. They don’t even understand the shock of the Orwellian names they give their legislations and new big government entities like the Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security.
Establishment Republicans are despicable cowards, even the ones that arent from Texas.
December 19, 2014 at 5:03 pm
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“Establishment Republicans are despicable cowards, even the ones that arent from Texas”
And you aspire to be one of them wall street folks.
December 18, 2014 at 10:32 am
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So Agent, did you hear anything out of Hallas Hall? Cutler – the highest paid QB has been benched in favor of the rookie from ND. Heads gonna roll with that $54Mil Guarantee….
Emery, Trestman…. all gotta go. Bring back Ditka, I say… Reports have Harbaugh going to MI.
I haven’t heard anything about the Cutler situation, but I bet it will be all over ESPN, NFL Network and others. Looks like the GM all the way down through the coaches will be seeking new employment when the year is over.
We have a number of teams with 2 or 3 wins this year and the musical chairs will be played out in the off season. If I remember right, Lovie was let go and he actually had a winning season.
Cowher may be good, but he has been on the sidelines for a while now and he is in the category of “retreads” now and not many of those guys do well if they come back to coaching. Many are surprised Jimmy Johnson didn’t come back to coaching after he left the Jones, but he seems to be very happy doing pregame for Fox.
I think several teams talked to Johnson for the first 5 years after he left the Cowboys and I am sure the offers were generous, but he decided he was through with the meat grinder of coaching and liked TV better. He also does not beat down coaches, but gives good info on players, strategies of the games etc.
December 18, 2014 at 10:52 am
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Story first broke on ESPN. It was actually the lead story on news last night…. More important then what OBama is up to with Cuba. Gonna be interesting to see this play out. GM has tanked the quality of the players, don’t nothing to keep our D competitive…
Well, I took the wife to a movie last night so I didn’t see it since we got in late. Have you seen “Interstellar” yet? Pretty good movie if you like Sci Fi. It is a bit long, about 3 hours, but it kept the interest.
Didn’t even know there was a black Annie… I work my 8 – 10 hours a day, go home, sometimes have to cook dinner depending on how my wife is that day and then do home work. Then clean up after dinner. When my wife does cook, its a bonus. Although she has been getting better and better now that she is over what ever it was that kept her down for over two weeks. My day end about 09:00 instead of after ten. Not much me time in my world.
December 18, 2014 at 1:00 pm
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Yes, the new version of Annie has black characters. The reviews were almost as bad as the most recent version of Peter Pan they showed on TV. My wife has liked all the other versions in the past and wanted me to TEVO it so she could watch it on her own. She got through about 30 minutes and deleted it. Christopher Walken as Captain Hook did not make it with the viewers and the woman playing Peter Pan was much too tall and gangly and the wire stunts badly done.
December 18, 2014 at 1:08 pm
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FFA, did you see the insurance news that Progressive is going to sell Homeowners through their acquired company ASI Lloyds? They are going to call their policy “Flomowners”. She can start her pitch by telling the consumer to pick their price.
FFA, I have seen many a bad marriage end in divorce when the woman thought she could change a full grown man. Of course, Stan is a mental midget with a maturity level of about 8, so he has a way to go to become a man and accept Personal Responsibility for his life and actions.
FFA, Progressives spoke of Hope & Change in 08. Changing to their mantra did not work out so well for the country. Change for sake of change is often a lie as has been well documented. Lying to the people is about as bad as it gets.
December 18, 2014 at 6:50 pm
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The DOW is up over 400 pts today and gas prices are at a 10 year low. The only people who are suffering are the young people and they deserve it since they are all lazy anyway. Obama is killing it as president.
What dont you like, the peace or the prosperity? You’re welcome Agent.
December 19, 2014 at 10:31 am
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For someone that despises the Wall Street type, you do pay a lot of attention to it.
December 19, 2014 at 11:21 am
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Well yeah, what little money I do have to set aside I try to invest. Just because the ladder to the one percent is perilous doesnt mean that I dont want to climb it all the same. Don’t you want to be wealthier?
December 19, 2014 at 11:28 am
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I have taken the advice of my Grand Pa… I stay away. I’ll make my own way – not on the back of others.
December 19, 2014 at 11:35 am
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That is admirable, yet you vote for a party that protects that ruling class with kid gloves. Why dont you encourage policies that make them earn their own way too, instead of protecting capital gains with favorable tax treatment? Shouldnt they labor just as hard as you? Or are they somehow privileged and better than you?
December 19, 2014 at 11:45 am
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I vote for the best man for the job regardless of party…
Its a free country. They you and I can go about our lives as we see fit.
So, you can keep hating what you want to be. I’ll keep working… Making my money on my efforts.
December 19, 2014 at 11:53 am
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That is not even close to what I asked you. I asked you if those wallstreet types should get favorable treatment over you, as they currently do via the tax code.
December 19, 2014 at 12:01 pm
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Stan, everyone makes their own choices. I don’t think the Bears should have paid Cutler the money they did. They signed the contract and I think they should have to live up to it. I did what right for. me. They do whats right for them. You do whats right for you.
In other words, if they are making their money according to the Law, all the power to them. Have at it. You want the reward, you take the risk.
December 19, 2014 at 12:05 pm
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BTW Stan, I do think the tax code needs work. If you don’t pay anything, you should not get a refund. The current code just encourages low life ness.
December 19, 2014 at 12:11 pm
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What you just said blows me away. Youre worried about the people with the least not paying enough, but those with the absolute most are just fine because it’s within the law?
That is insanity man. You realize that economically you have much more in common with me – – a literal nobody – – than you do with these wallstreet types, right? The fact that you pay ~50% of your earnings to the govt, whereas an iBanker pays ~20% because his $ is classified as capital gains should cause you to riot in the streets. And yet your mad about some single mom making minimum wage not paying enough.
Sinful.
December 19, 2014 at 1:01 pm
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Where did I reference a single mom?
What I said was if you don’t pay in, you should not get a refund. I am speaking old school – meaning exactly what I am saying. Not some new fangled Obama speak.
In other words, you should not get back more then you pay. Again, old school English, not Obama speak.
Along the lines of your reasoning, I should just be able to keep writing checks even if I don’t have money in the account and then the Govt should just cover me.
I don’t hate the Wall Street / bankers like you do. I don’t put them on a pedestal. I don’t want to see then Tar and Feathered. They take the risk. They get the reward.
December 19, 2014 at 1:13 pm
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FFA – I could be wrong, but I don’t think you get a refund if you didn’t pay anything in. The people that “don’t pay anything” only get back what they paid in, making it a net zero on their part. People that don’t work don’t file.
December 19, 2014 at 1:17 pm
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Yes you do Libby. Personal experience on that one.
December 19, 2014 at 1:55 pm
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You’re also wrong about govt. programs making people lazy.
“Contrary to what Speaker John Boehner (Ohio) says, there’s no evidence that unemployment benefits reduce work ethic.”
“In fact, targeted transfers to the poor and middle class would likely give a stronger immediate jolt to the economy than would tax cuts for the wealthy. Compared to the wealthy, the poor spend a much higher share of each additional dollar of disposable income that they receive, providing greater stimulus to the economy. Policy measures that alleviate inequality are thus a boon for economic growth.”
December 19, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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Well Dorothy (Stan), move (or don’t move there)… If your three degrees ant get you to that conclusion, you should demand a refund on you tuition.
Hammond Indiana would be great fit for an unemployed lawyer.
December 19, 2014 at 2:29 pm
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I am not saying anyone should move there, Im saying that its proof positive that republican policies don’t work for the vast majority of constituents.
December 19, 2014 at 2:42 pm
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I am sure there are honest hard working Muslims that don’t want to blow up Opras studio too.
How the Dem policies work out for IL? I am sure you can go out and find successful Dem & Rep polices as well as failed Dem / Rep policies. So don’t bother.
Don’t forget, I speak old school/ So if your trying to make a point, I don’t understand Obama.
December 19, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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So how should I speak to you, in terms of prohibition? slavery? homophobia? How far back in the past are you living?
December 19, 2014 at 2:53 pm
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Flower Power Man… The sixties. When Affordable meant that we can actually afford to pay the bill, not when the definition changed to mean more expensive.
When Max Out Pocket meant once you spent that amount on medical care, you didn’t have any more expense. Not when that definition changed to there is no out of pocket limit. I have a Webster Dictionary dated 1923. That’s good for me.
December 19, 2014 at 3:19 pm
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For every study you quote showing one side of the story (naively believing it). Your study you posted is one data table showing tax cuts for the rich don’t help. One.
I can give you ten, that show you’re wrong on the tax cuts for the rich.
One of the best ones here, would be comparing FDR’s top rate to Clinton’s. Which president had better middle class income growth? Top rate of 39.6, or 90-95%?
Which one has lower unemployment rates?
Which one had more of the population working?
You are stating that he is wrong when he’s not, then are trying to say what else won’t you listen to.
You yourself aren’t listening to anything. It is your preemptive thoughts on the matter that are holding you back. Preconceived notions common for your age group I might add….Which could it be…Makes you a sheep?
December 19, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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Bob – comparing FDR’s tax rates in the height of the Great Depression and Clinton’s during an unprecedented period of prosperity is ludicrous. Times change. Situations change. Solutions have to change to fit the time and situation. Ones solution does not fit all. I would have thought an intellectual elitist, such as yourself, would have realized that.
December 19, 2014 at 3:32 pm
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Libby, Bob here isnt a serious debater. He’s just repeating what he heard his other gym buddies say. JK, Bob doesnt go to the gym. He’s a tool.
December 19, 2014 at 3:36 pm
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It is comparable, and you are wrong. Times do change. If the economy was doing poorly from the lower tax rates, we would see it with these lower rates.
I love how the best middle income growth occurring during lower tax rates says nothing about the lower tax rates,
But the slightly higher tax revenues between Clinton and Bush W is the reason behind record surpluses and record deficits, that will now continue forever, apparently.
December 19, 2014 at 3:37 pm
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Further to the point:
Just saying that times are different is not an argument.
Post facts.
Post data.
I told him I could find many studies, and only gave one item that seems to show he is wrong.
Further Stan:
When I point that out, it does not mean I have a lack of knowledge.
The way you debate is completely unethical, and makes you a horrible human being.
December 19, 2014 at 3:39 pm
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You just screamed at Libby and I am the horrible human being? You cant even control your emotions or your dictation, what makes you think you can handle complex fiscal policy?
I just gave you two articles outlining the damage done by republican tax policies, one written by a nobel laureate. And you bring up FDR. Real persuasive, Bobby.
Go do a pushup. If you even can.
December 19, 2014 at 3:43 pm
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I don’t have to provide facts or statistics to prove something that is common sense. If things worked so well, they would never change. But they do change, because the world changes. We can’t live today like we did in the 1930’s anymore than we can like we did in 1990. Just because you say it’s comparable doesn’t make it so.
December 19, 2014 at 3:46 pm
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And, I’ve said it before, Bob. I’m not here to “debate” you. I have my own opinions and observations that I am free to express on this forum. I do not need to prove, justify or verify them to you.
December 19, 2014 at 3:49 pm
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Libby is right, there is nothing here to even debate Bobby. You just spout nonsense about internment camps, wikipedia links, seeing sound, methodologies, dark matter, being a tool and a sheep, and back “petaling.”
Just let the grownups and Agent talk for once. You’re only hurting yourself. Deep breaths, Sheep.
December 19, 2014 at 3:51 pm
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Further to add Libby:
I have only, ONLY brought up where Osama was found when we debated matters of the Iraq war, in which I said that it is relevant that if you don’t know where Osama was found, you don’t know where he was before he was found, or the intel on that end.
This is when we debated why Bush W went to war with Iraq and I said the WMD’s was not the sole or even a major reason behind it. I stated that Osama was in Iraq at the time and Saddam refused to let us inspect.
When I told you that you didn’t even know where Osama was when he died, and brought it up later on, it was specifically when we debated Iraq.
Not randomly thrown in to discredit all your facts, like Stan is doing now.
December 19, 2014 at 3:54 pm
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Stan,
I have every right to be angry with her. And I didn’t “scream”.
Apparently you are equally stupid in this area.
I gave you a multitude of links that you disregarded in regards to the cost of homes, which is relevant to you saying the older generation had a lower cost of home ownership. You didn’t direct it.
I have no desire to give you links on this one, my point was solely that just as many people state taxes for the rich are bad as they do that they are good. You chose one link, and went with it, because you wanted to believe it. You didn’t go over the methodology.
You are delusional. I have been posting facts, and you can’t get over the workout, again you defaulted to sticking to workouts.
December 19, 2014 at 3:55 pm
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Debate the topic, which you stated as a fact:
Home ownership was less costly during Agent’s time period, and show why those costs are up due to republicans.
According to the link I gave you, which is what the democrats wanted to do,
Housing costs were raised by an average of $6,000 per home. This is inflating housing costs, which you don’t like, and democrats did it.
Do you want the topic, or not?
Apparently you just ignored it.
December 19, 2014 at 3:56 pm
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Libby,
If you’re here trying to convince people you are correct?
Yes. You have to prove you are correct, child.
And, you have to acknowledge that people will say you are wrong, child, without talking like Stan.
Stan, leave arguing to the adults. It is clear you don’t know how.
December 19, 2014 at 3:57 pm
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Bob, glad to hear that you finally came to your senses. For awhile, I was worried you had blown a gasket with your CAP temper tantrum over Libby getting the best of you. It’s nice to finally welcome another Democrat to the board. Good luck though, some of the posters are real idiots (one guy has the same username as you do “bob” . . . look out, he’s a real piece of work. as dumb as he is lazy).
December 19, 2014 at 4:22 pm
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“I have only, ONLY brought up where Osama was found when we debated matters of the Iraq war, in which I said that it is relevant that if you don’t know where Osama was found, you don’t know where he was before he was found, or the intel on that end.” What does where he was ultimately found have to do with where he was?
Al Quada was in Iraz after 9/11, but there is no evidence bin Laden was there. We have tons of evidence he was, however, in Afghanistan. Bin Laden being, or not being in Iraq, had nothing to do with our invasion of that country. This is something new you are spouting and it’s just not true.
You bring up my mistaking Afghanistan for Pakistan constantly. Not just when you are speaking about the Iraq war. You do it to discredit me. Don’t try to back pedal now and say otherwise.
And you were yelling at me. That’s what ALL CAPS is. I am not on here to PROVE I am right. I am right. And you are a baby.
December 19, 2014 at 4:35 pm
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“Debate the topic, which you stated as a fact:
Home ownership was less costly during Agent’s time period, and show why those costs are up due to republicans.”
I will debate the topic. Wages in 1960 averaged $5,315 and a home cost $12,700 versus wages in 2012 were $44,312 and average home price was $289,500. You do the math. It costs more. PERIOD.
December 19, 2014 at 4:47 pm
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How did I get cut out of this??? No comments on my 1923 Dictionary?
It is interesting FFA how liberals think. No wonder the country is so screwed up particularly in the last 6 years. They compare my debt when I was a young man to today’s world. Believe me that my debt was just as heavy back then as anyone in the world of today. We didn’t make much money back when I bought my first home. We lived paycheck to paycheck and had to watch our budget like a hawk to make ends meet. My wife was a stay at home mom looking after two young daughters so my income was it and no money for toys like so many of young people of today have to have to live. By the way, back then, we all paid income tax and didn’t expect half the population to support us. I would call that Personal Responsibility and the will to succeed.
December 19, 2014 at 5:09 pm
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Agent if you dont think that the cost of housing, healthcare, and education have far outstripped inflation over the last 30 years, well that might just be the dumbest thing i’ve read on here all day. That that is considering Bob’s all-cap ‘roid rant.
See you all bright and early Monday morning.
December 19, 2014 at 5:19 pm
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Yes. Agent. I don’t like how things have changed in the past 6 years. I sit on a fence about Iraq. If we were not there, would they be over here? They were plotting to blow up Oprahs studio a few weeks back. Her little studio??? They were after the Sears Tower too in that same plot.
Stan thinks he know all about this health care crap when he has not had a minute of anything to do with it. I guess Text Books and a Govt that lies is more credible then people that actually are working within the system… and getting screwed by it.
Years past, I would get a one page document regarding health renewal. Last week, 11 pages to me and to my wife. 1 page up to 22… And Stan thinks that’s better…
I will give Obama a little kudos… Gas in my neck of the woods was 2.01 in a town down the road this AM. There was a murder not far from there this am, so maybe they lowered prices to lure people back…
December 22, 2014 at 11:02 am
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Agent – Evidently you’re not much of an economics buff if you can’t figure out that $5,315 in salary is a little less than half of a home costing $12,700 and a house costing $289,500 is over 5 TIMES an annual salary of $44,312. I don’t even know how you can argue with those numbers and keep a straight face.
December 18, 2014 at 1:56 pm
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Il is so messed up that I have to pay a Franchise Fee even though I am not a franchise…
Yes, I do. Il Domestic / Foreign Report. They also want $75.00 to change the address on my Business License.
$75.00 to report no change on the corporation and $25.00 for a franchise fee.
Did you catch they are trying to pass a law to take over private pensions from companies over 20 employees?
Hitting the news last night, Quinn is calling a special session at a cost of over $50,000 to the tax payer to pass a measure for an appointment for Judy Bar Topinka – she was elected as comptroller and then passed on last week – or do a special election to the tune of over half a mill. We got less then two weeks left on the expiring term and that’s what that idiot want to do all while under a fed investigation.
December 22, 2014 at 11:51 am
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Actually Libby, I am an economics buff since I have a degree in it and you have not. What makes you think I bought a house for $12,700 on a salary of $5,315? I don’t go back that far. That is post WW2. Try getting your mind in the game. The point I made was the debt I faced was just as difficult to manage as the inflated values and salaries of today. Tell me, how did all those people qualify for sub prime loans they couldn’t pay for in today’s economy and face foreclosure? There were much fewer foreclosures when I was young because people actually had jobs to pay their mortgages. Everytime I bought a house, I moved up to something larger and nicer because my income kept rising. Poor Stan will never know the joy and pride of home ownership because he will never qualify because of poor work performance, no job or some low paying job.
FFA, regarding your comment on how things have changed in the past 6 years, the fact is that the USA has less respect in the world than at any time in my adult lifetime. Other countries think they can bully the US on anything. Most recent is the tin dictator in North Korea and the Sony issue. What action has Obama taken to rein him in other than to condemn the action? 0! Making nice with the brutal dictatorship in Cuba makes no sense.
We have a President now who rules through Executive Order aka Memoranda’s. It will be necessary for the new Congress to defund much of what he is trying to do and keep him in court to challenge his Progressive Socialist policies and force him to veto bills which will make him more unpopular than he is already. If they aren’t going to impeach him, at least make him a very lame duck who gets to play a lot of golf in the next two years.
Agent, you’re a ninny. The reason everyone hates America is because YOUR texas-two-step idiot president bush involved us in two foreign entanglements, one of which was based on false pretenses, costing over a trillion dollars and tens of thousands of american lives. literally the biggest catastrophe possible.
Hi Libby. Reports are that J Geils stole the show. Then Bob Segar came on and took it right back… People I know that went (I didn’t get there)are talking about gong to see him in another town. That good.
I really wanted to go see him in Pittsburg, but the show is on a Tuesday night and I’d have to take a day off and hotel room. It would be really costly right after Christmas and vacation.
Just got back from 70th Anniversary of the Battle of the Bulge with my 93 year-old father-in-law. It was totally incredible. He met the King and Queen, was treated like a total rock star, and we all had VIP treatment the entire time we were there. It’s something I’ll remember for the rest of my life.
Good for you Libby. The Battle of the Bulge was the death knell of Germany and George Patton saved the day for the Allies. If you haven’t done so, I recommend you read “Killing Patton”. It is fascinating reading about the man and a fair amount of it about the Battle of the Bulge and the aftermath. By the way, which King and Queen are you talking about? England only has Queen Elizabeth and Phillip is not a king.
Thanks for the clarification Libby. It was interesting in reading about Patton and his adventures during that time. He was pretty aggressive in mounting his attack against the Germans. He took it upon himself to cross the Rhein and did it. Then, he got orders from Eisenhower not to cross the Rhein. He replied to Ike, I am here, what do you want me to do, give it back?
December 19, 2014 at 4:58 pm
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I heard about that book, Agent, and plan to put it on my “to do” list.
December 19, 2014 at 3:49 pm
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Sounds like a great experience…. I am sure your fr In Law was more then thrilled.
Off subject FFA. How bout those Cowboys kicking Indy’s butt all over the field and winning the NFC East to boot. Of course, they were helped by the Eagles losing to a three win Washington team and them losing their last 3 games. I got to see some of the Bears/Lions game. The Bears did not mail it in and fought hard, but in the end did not have what it took. It will be interesting to see what they do with Cutler in the off season. Think there is a good market for him with his performance?
We had our top receiver drop 7 passes that hit him in the hands. Something more then meets the eye when that happens.
I dont think there will be much of a market for Jay. Maybe Luvie wants him back but not with that contract. See what happens March 3rd… They cut him, it saves $10Mil.
December 22, 2014 at 11:39 am
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FFA, the Bears screwed themselves with the $54 million signing bonus on Cutler which counts against the cap. I suppose cutting him would save in the next few years if they don’t have to pay him more. He looked pretty forlorn standing on the sidelines watching the action. It did appear to me that the offensive line blocked better for Clausen than they did for him, but I could be wrong. Time for a new direction in Chicago and all of management should join the unemployment line.
December 22, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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Anyways…. Your Cowboys certainly did a number on the Colts yesterday.. Skewed the heck out of the Fantasy Board.
December 22, 2014 at 6:04 pm
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Well, we don’t know how the playoffs will go and who will have to travel where in the wild card games. I think the cold weather teams have an advantage since they are used to it. You may not remember, but the famous ice bowl in Green Bay was not a pretty picture with the field completely frozen and about 0 temperature. I know technology in uniforms is better, insulated for better protection and now they have heated benches, special gloves and heaters blowing on the sidelines, but it is still hard to play in the frozen tundra. The reward is to play in a domed stadium in Arizona in the Super Bowl.
December 19, 2014 at 1:54 pm
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Here you go, Bob. Tax cuts for the rich help no one except for, get this, the rich.
“[T]here’s no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue,” McConnell contends, in spite of overwhelming evidence that these cuts diminished revenue at historic rates.”
FFA, I suppose we can cut him some slack. He was brainwashed for 8 years getting those three degrees from all those liberal professors so he doesn’t know anything about business, how it works or how the economy works best. It is pure ideology and we have seen how that works with this President.
He has not had enough time in this world to learn what Blind Faith in the Govt gets you.
He jumps into this forum when he don’t work in the industry and thinks he knows it all.
December 22, 2014 at 2:05 pm
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Agent, serious question, if you had your pick of Republicans for the White House, who would it be?
December 22, 2014 at 3:08 pm
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Stan, are you trying to bait me into naming someone so you can get as much dirt from your leftist websites you can and publish it on this forum? I think I will pass on that question. I will wait to see who emerges from a considerable pack who makes the most sense and has the ability to beat a Hillary or Elizabeth Warren.
Classic Republican, all for something except for specifics. Here you bitch all day long about Democrats, but asked to take a stand and pick who represents your policies and views, and you decline. You’re such a coward.
My policies… Balanced Budget. Nothing Criminal. Knows how important Small Business is to the Economy.
Ditka… Hard Nose. Take no crap. Imagine this if you will… N Korea pulling this crap with him in charge… Maybe the Russians would take note of us again.
Stan, FFA and I would much rather have Ditka answering the phone at 3:00 AM than your Community Organizer who thought it more important to go fundraising than deal with Benghazi in the situation room. Hillary also didn’t distinguish herself either on that same situation. Both then put out the big lie on the video instead of owning up to their incompetence. Tragic for the country.
December 23, 2014 at 11:20 am
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Correction Stan…. Football Commentator. Also, Small Business Man. Ever get to Chi Town, go eat at his restaurant.
His coaching days are long gone.
Your woman Democrat you would back, she has already came out and said no way.
Personally think Hillary would be insane to give it a go. Just my thoughts.
December 22, 2014 at 3:44 pm
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Classic Progressive Democratic response Stan. You should go after Ron on his choices. As a Progressive Independent, he waits until the day before an election to make his choice known. By the way, I can bitch all I want about Democrats since they have been in office and responsible for the mess the country is in currently. When the Republicans take office in January, feel free to bitch about what they are doing that doesn’t suit your political taste. I will also criticize them if they don’t do what they said they would. The mid terms were a start, but actions speak louder than words.
Great, so why dont you take an action and name who represents your views? Oh thats right. Youre too corwardly to even take a stand on an anonymous insurance forum with literally zero repercussions. Yet you want to pick who leads the nation? Give me a break old man. And for the record, who gives a shit what Ron does? Im glad to see that youre basing your behavior off someone you’ve never met.
You’re above response was 100 words of nothing, Agent. You are ruining this country and you have the nerve to bitch about others. You’re lucky the young people arent like you because if they had the vitriol that flows in your veins, they would be coming for you with pitchforks.
I’m with FFA Stan. Let Ditka have it. Walker is fine as well. He actually makes sense when he speaks and his actions speaks volumes. Those Progressives thought they could knock him out twice. Unfortunately for them, he has sticking power and the folks recognized that. Any Republican governor would be fine for the job, but leftists, not so much.
You are such a baby, Agent. And whats worse, you’re not even an original baby! You copied FFA’s response only after I didnt shit all over it. And for you to say “any republican governor is fine for the job” is lunacy. Jindal of LA is a good example, that man is a bonafide charlatan. Cruz is the same way (although he’s a senator from the worst state in the union, but whatevs).
It must kill you to be such a coward all the time. Even the libs are braver than you are.
Stan he has a JOB. Debating you is low on my priority list. I am sure it is on his. Just to let you know, just got another email spelling out how HealthCare.Gov is not working properly…. Again…
Before you start bashing on me, I wrote another $10,000 premium that does entitle me to a paycheck. How About you? Throw some cash at your friends on wall street?
Young troll, a while back I recommended a good psychiatrist for your affliction. I see you didn’t follow my advice. Let me give you my list of who I would not follow under any circumstance. 1. Hillary 2. Elizabeth Warren 3. Charlie Rangel 4. John Kerry 5. Chuck Schumer 6. Diane Feinstein 7. Nancy Pelosi 8. Harry Reid 9. Barbara Boxer 10. Patti Murray 11. Rahm Emanuel 12. Quinn 13. Sheila Jackson Lee 14. Al Gore 15. Al Sharpton 16. Jesse Jackson 17. Al Franken 18. Jeb Bush 19. Chris Christie 20. Any other Progressive or RINO. I realize this is only a partial list since there are more. Publish your list and I can comment on your choices.
Personally, I’d pick Liz Warren if I had my choice of Democratic president. Now you go, or can you only throw stones? Id love to hear a single substantive policy change other than democrats = bad.
And save the lecture, FFA. We all waste too much time here on the IJ, not just Agent.
Elizabeth Warren makes Hillary look Conservative, but that is how you think so we will forgive you for being naïve.
Allow me to add several more that I wouldn’t support for anything including dog catcher in Minneapolis.
1. Terry McAulife -Va 2. Jerry Brown- Ca 3. John Hickenlooper – Col 4. Dannel Malloy- Ct 5. Jack Markel- Del 6. Martin O’Malley- Md 7. Deval Patrick- Ma 8. Jay Nixon- Mo 9. Andrew Cuomo- NY 10. John Kitzhaber- Or 11. Jay Inslee- Wa 12. Anthony Wiener, the peter tweeter- NY. I can add more if you like.
December 24, 2014 at 10:52 am
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Stan, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you. I hope you come back next year with a new attitude.
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That may be the first thing you have ever said that I agree with. Common Ground….
FFA, switching subjects and hoping Stan will go away, did you see the Broncos/Bengals game last night? That was a competitive game and the Bengals came to play and intercepted Manning 4 times. They also sacked him several times. The offensive line looked a lot like the Bears offensive line. Manning is fine as long as the line gives him good protection, but he is very vulnerable when they don’t since he can’t scramble like many of the younger quarterbacks do. I don’t like their chances when they have to go to New England assuming they get that far.
I caught the first half. It was looking to be a good game. Had a kid thing to deal with till very late at night. Broncos in NE, not liking their chance. I am sure Bellicheck was paying attention, gonna take their “blue Print” and use it. Manning was never a good one to scramble.
I still can believe the way Indy got blown out on Sunday… Dallas just crushed them.
That was probably the best game Dallas has played since the glory days of Aikman, Irvin and Smith. You know it is a blowout when the other team takes their starting quarterback out of the game in the third quarter with a rating of 40. I just hope they don’t start reading their press clippings and slip up against Washington Sunday.
FFA, I know you are raising kids now. Tell me, how do they like those Michelle Obama lunches in school? I was visiting some of my grandkids last weekend and asked them about it. They made some ugly faces at the mention of it and told me how horrible they were. They take their lunches so they will have something they like and it is nutritious.
Its hit or miss. They look at the menu for the next day and figure out if they are brown bagging it.
My Gr Daughter is a strange one. Took her to visit my dad in hospital. Went to cafeteria and told her she could have anything she wanted. She came to register with raw coli flour. No Ice Cream. No Pudding. No Sandwich. Raw vegies… So, 1 for. three sometimes for sometimes against.
Its been a difficult time for the boys. Some of the things coming out just turn my stomach. Day by day. Getting better. The ten yr old is taking things the hardest. He has been very depressed. Today was a good day for him. Took him in office for a while. Up till noon Chicago time, he hasn’t cried once. Misbehaved once. Nor has he swore. Hoping today turns a corner for him. Some of the things coming out are just sickening. Just want to take my daughter and kick her ass stupid. At least till she is brain dead so she cant do more damage.
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FFA, all those taxpayer funds to schools to serve garbage that the kids won’t eat. There is a big waste issue with this school lunch program. Kids just aren’t going to eat it and then they are hungry later.
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Kids are like adults. If they don’t like it, they wont eat it. Just cause Michelle says so…. Not gonna happen. Try getting a kid to walk away from a tv show they like to do their home work…
Yes, what a waste…. Arrogance.
December 24, 2014 at 10:50 am
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FFA, before I forget it, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you, your agency and your family. I know 2014 has been a rough year for you and we all look forward to a better year. We got an early Christmas gift when we voted out of office dozens of Progressives in the mid terms. 2015 should be an active year to restore the country. Progressives are now on defense and they have nothing to offer so they will continue to spew their wrath, but this country has tried their way and it is an abysmal failure and it is time for common sense solutions to the country’s problems.
FFA, I saw a good quote today which applies to all of us.
If there are no ups and downs in your life, it means that you are dead.
Another one that is good.
Three simple rules in Life:
1. If you do not go after what you want, you will never have it.
2. If you do not ask, the answer will always be no.
3. If you do not step forward, you will always be in the same place.
FFA, I am going to reveal to you seven words of truth.
These words will give you a new understanding of issues that most people have contemplated at one time or another.
If these words were spoken years ago, we would have entirely different influences in music, movies, and language.
If these words were spoken years ago, we would have a much smaller national debt.
If these words were spoken years ago, we would have all of our great cities prospering.
If these words were spoken years ago, we would have far less violence and have far less need for gun control.
FFA, how bout them Cowboys? 12-4 and momentum on their side. They get Detroit at home next Sunday. I hope Detroit plays the same way as they did against the Packers. That lineman “Suh” should get suspended for stepping on the QB’s foot twice on the same play. He is a nasty one.
For the Bears, all those coaches are gone. How about bringing Rex Ryan in and he can get his brother to run the defense? They could not do worse than Trestman and his coaches did this year.
Detroit is tough. Don’t know how they will be without Suh. He has been dirty since day one. They have another dirty on that put a dirty hit in Claussen two weeks back. Forced Cutler back into action last week.
Suh also had a suspend able offense against the Bears last year so its not his first go around. This suspension should be longer. Knuckle head just hurting his FA value.
Not sure I want either Ryan on the side lines. NO D was horrible this year and he did nothing special in Dallas.
I sent the Bears my Resume. I cant do any worse, but Ill do it for a lot less pay. My Play Calling – “Go out and get open”…
Mike Shannahan would be a nice addition… I am a firm believer if they threw a ton of money at Cowher, he would come out of the booth.
Did you hear Virginia McCaskeys Take on the Bears??? “I’m Pissed”. Ted Phillips needs to go too. He is the one that had to sign off on Cutlers Deal. He should feel the pain.
Yes FFA, that Suh is a piece of work and needs to be tested for Roid rage. You are right about him being caught before kicking and stomping on players. If I were the NFL, I would lighten his wallet a lot and the Lions should do the same. Let the suspension last well into next year.
It looks like a bunch of coaches are going to be on the unemployment line. Most are retreads. Why hire a coach that has just failed or has failed a couple of times? Also, just because a coach has had success as a coordinator does not translate into success as a head coach. A good example is Norv Turner who never did much as head coach of the Chargers and he wore his welcome out. Great college coaches also do not transition that well into the pros. Look what happened to Steve Spurrier and the Redskins. After a few dismal years, back to the college ranks with SC. Whoever ends up getting the Chicago job will have his hands full and limited in what can be spent due to Cap issues on the Cutler contract.
With this not being his first dirty hit, I am surprised he is only suspended for one game.
At some point, the NFL has got to start hitting the owners. Any team would love to have him as he is one of he best D Lineman in the NFL, but I cant see much difference in the end result of what he did vs what Ray Rice did. Both of them dirt. Ray, maybe a one time shot, but Suh has proven over and over he is dirty.
FFA, I can’t remember the lineman’s name, but he played for the Redskins & Titans a few years back. They played Dallas and the Cowboys center was a guy named Gurode. After one play, this dude had Gurode on the ground and stomped on his face with his cleats. Cut up Gurode’s face and the guy got ejected. Another case of Roid rage. I wonder how many times these guys get tested during the year. I also wonder how many games these players cost their team with unnecessary penalties at the worst possible time.
December 30, 2014 at 5:06 pm
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I remember that. Made the Low Lites…
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Well FFA, looks like Suh gets to play after all. He appealed and got re-instated and only has to pay a $70,000 fine. How bad does a foul have to be to get suspended these days? If it was a case where he was blocked into Rogers and fell on him, that is part of the game, but when a player is upright, just steps on the foot and then does it again for good measure, he should be out of there. It hasn’t been a good year for the NFL considering the Rice case and Peterson and now Suh. Perhaps the Commissioner needs to go if he can let this kind of incident go with only a fine.
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That guy has been referred to as the dirtiest player in the league and he gets a slap on the wrist. rice throws one punch and gets tossed out. This guy should be gone at least one game.
FFA, how did you like the bowl games? The vaunted SEC didn’t come out so well. Some actually got blown out. I was sure glad that thug QB with Florida State got his head handed to him. Mareota is so much better than him, it is not funny. Fla State has been living on the edge all year and when they ran into a truly great team, they were blown out. Also glad Alabama got beat. All the announcers have already given the game to them, but Ohio State didn’t get the memo and Urban Meyer really had them ready to play. Saban has had his success, time for someone else to ascend to the thrown. I just hope it is a good game.
Didn’t catch mush of the games yesterday. Had a Kids Day. Spent a good part of it hiking around the woods with my 4 gr children and a few of their friends. All excited about deer tracks, coon tracks, coyotes & fox. I lived the reasons why people have children in their twenties and not their fifties.
Sounds to me like you probably slept good that night. They will get you in shape. I have seen guys that got divorced and remarried younger women and started a second family. I don’t know how they do it. Once was enough for me.
Well, the Detroit game was tough all the way. I got a little nauseous after they scored two touchdowns early, but Dallas finally got their act together and played well in the second half. Detroit lived up to their reputation as being one of the dirtiest teams in the league. When you go for the head on a tackle, there should be no place in the league for you.
It was a typical Detroit finish. Had them on the ropes but just could not finish… That pass interference call was a home town call all the way through. Your Defender ran right through the receiver…
Was good to see room kept his witts about him, that’s for sure… Could he be MVP?
FFA, why is it when the league has a cream of the crop crew working the playoffs, they miss several calls? They missed several on both sides. Why wasn’t the linebacker for Detroit ejected from the game for trying to take Cole Beasley’s head off on one play. I don’t know how Beasley got up from that hit. He is a tough little dude and the Dallas version of Welker.
I do think Romo has matured and doesn’t make the bad interceptions much anymore. No panic now even if he has been sacked several times. He could be MVP, but I think he will have to win the Super Bowl to get it and he has to go to the frozen tundra and get by Rogers first. I wonder how Rogers leg is after being stepped on by Suh twice last week. It is getting down to the nitty gritty now.
I think the refs in the playoffs have a different mind set… Let the players Play as opposed to call every little infraction.
I didn’t catch the head hit, but what I did hear of it being talked about, it was typical Detroit dirty play. That should have had an ejection.
All in all, it was an entertaining game of what I saw of it. I missed part of the third quarter during the Dallas Come Back.
Dallas GB is gonna be a good match up. Its cold out there so Romo & Company better be practicing in very cold weather. 29 below wind chills here this am. Has to be colder in GB.
First time playing a playoff in Green Bay since the famous ice bowl. That field was frozen harder than your driveway. I understand they put some coils underneath the field that keep it from freezing now, but it will still be awfully cold. Dome teams have a lot of trouble up there every year. From what I see, Chicago is heading for another winter like last year when Lake Michigan froze over. Maybe Al Gore was in town telling them Global Warming was coming.
When I walked my Gr Son to the bus this am, it was 29 below wind chill…. They do have heating coils under the turf, but when it gets that cold…
Remember the hit that ended Farves Career? Was an out door stadium because the roller dome collapsed and they did not have time to thaw the field.
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Well, I think a lot has been done to improve the undergarments of players for the cold, gloves, pockets in the jersey and hoods under the helmet to protect the ears and face of the players, heated bench, warm blowers on the sideline big insulated coats when they are on the sideline, but Green Bay is Green Bay and the wind chill will be very low and difficult.
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By the way FFA, the receiver on that play had the Dallas defenders face mask in his grasp. King of hard to turn your head and look for the ball in that situation.
So the House lame ducks pass this bill to keep the lights on. Reckon there is any pork loaded into it, particularly by the ones who got their head handed to them in the mid terms?
campaign finance limits: why does it matter how much is allowed to be contributed? the problem is whether the politician is swayed by the contribution. if you have a good honest politician, it won’t make any difference how much.
Bob, you are a child if you think that donations don’t matter because honesty. Also, please use links. Don’t be lazy.
Stan, I think bob’s comment was sarcasm…..I hope bob’s comment was sarcasm.
Different Bob, Stan. I am beginning to think it’s you who keeps posting as me and replying to “me” in these posts.
Also:
I’m a parent. I do more than you. If you want to call me lazy meet me in the gym, you are such a punk kid.
This weekend I am chopping a tree down for my mom.
Last weekend I want to a family event more than an hour away. I went to the gym at 8, left at 11:30 after a two and a half hour workout, got there at 1:00 left at 4:30, got home at 6:30, cooked, fed everyone, put everything away and cleaned, and still had time to have fun with my kids past 7:30 before going to bed just after at 9:30 ish.
About a week before that I took my daughter out for quite a fun weekend. Same program. I worked out in the morning, just after getting home I left immediately with her. I was still exhausted but I still participated in the physical activity.
We had food as a family after as well. I got home late, tired as usual. The life of a parent is being tired all the time, always on, always doing.
You don’t do this. I do more than you for family, I do more than you in the gym, I do more than you in life.
You don’t spend as much time as I do in the gym, being active in any event in your life. Let alone as active as I am with my immediate family.
You’re just a whiny kid who calls people ugly if they disagree with you.
Yes. I saw that. Agent must be an ugly hypocrite republican. That’s what they all are right?
You are a piece of trash. One I could easily over power in any way. So I don’t much care for your comments. Stop pretending to be me.
I never said you were ugly, I called you out for being lazy and a tool. Big difference. But if you’re ugly too, who cares?
I was referring to Agent. I’m quite sure I pointed that out in regards to the ugly comment.
I’m not lazy. And I’m not a tool. I love that though, you preemptively put tool just in case I am physically fit.
You are so insane you’re contradicting yourself in favor of insults.
So you put lazy in case I don’t go to the gym, and tool in case I don’t. But it doesn’t make sense in either case.
If I don’t go to the gym, I’m not a tool (not the type you are trying to infer)
If I do go to the gym, I’m not lazy.
Your predictive insults I will call them, are idiotic.
You didn’t graduate. This is more in line with early 20’s behavior, and definitely not a college grad.
I’m extremely good with knowing the kids around WA Stan. You’re giving away your age and lifestyles.
I know my peeps. So to speak. I’m in a big family so I get to see quite an age range of people.
It would be so humorous to see how weak you are in every way in person.
Rather that should read and tool in case I do go to the gym.
You’re an internet tough guy, bro. Youre not actually fit. I am a supermodel. Just like you’re not a tool.
Maybe you are ugly after all.
I’m such a tool that takes care of his family, you know why Stan?
Because I’m a big bad republican. Wooooo.
How horrible right?
I could take care of the whole family, and since I’m the big bad republican I am a tool correct?
You’re just a bad person. That’s all it comes down to. You’re a bigot, and a brat.
You attack republicans just like white on black in 1960.
I disagree with democrat ideals, and I make that known. I don’t make any commentary close to that of you about what democrat people are like. They must all be lazy right? Or something like that.
I’m a big bad republican, who judges others.
Kid, you’re a dime a dozen in the Seattle area. How do I know that’s where you’re from? I’ve seen the insanity. I was raised here. And I am not the only one Stan, who has woken up to the bleeding heart liberal open minded front, backed up by a cold hearted controlling live our way or die movement in WA State.
Somehow this state became outwardly blue, but inwardly how red is perceived to be.
Pay attention to your buddies and how they react to people who are conservative. It’s disgusting.
Two girls kissing, right on, I’m open minded.
Two guys wearing a cross, they will literally avoid all contact.
This state sucks. I already lived my 20’s in this state, and it’s something I do NOT want to go back and re-live. I should have moved.
Stan,
Too bad I actually am fit. And stop mocking me regarding it.
Yes, of course, CLEARLY me being fit is as likely as you being a super model. This is the mind of an entitled brat who simply cannot do it, and thus no one must be capable of doing it right?
Did you read my workout schedule that I posted on the other article? Not the one that listed the weights. The one that actually listed the days, and what I lift.
Grow up. It is what I do. I’m good at it. You can’t just make that crud up.
Read the repost, boy, the way I explain my routine it makes it clear I know what I’m doing:
I have a five day split to maximize my potential.
It is bad to do an extension twice in a row, it limits gains, same with pulls. Legs need to be as far apart as possible to ensure the maximum strength and size gains.
So my days are:
Mon – Off
Tues – Just Chest movements. Flat barbell, incline barbell, decline barbell, and machine fly, This day is short intentionally for a few reasons. It’s to build more muscle for the chest, rather than breaking down muscle with a lengthy workout. It also ensures I can still do a mass movement in a workout and due to the rest of the workout placement with extensions and pulls, it has to be this way to ensure I have a 5th day that still gains muscle and does not impede muscle development for the next day. It also ensures that every day starts with a mass movement. Curls don’t build much strength alone for example. You need to start with a mass movement. For this day, each of the chest routines are all mass builders, and it’s a short day. Which makes it enhanced.
Wednesday: Deadlift (mass movement), back, abs routine. Dumb bell rows, bent over barbell rows, wide arm and narrow grip pull ups, followed by machine pulls of the same for variance. All these are pulls. I throw in lower ab raises because the dead lift actually uses those abs for stabilization, and this increases the gains in the abs. This may sound like a short workout but again, I am emphasizing mass gains.
Thursday: Off.
Friday: Chest dumb bell and biceps. Chest Incline dumb bell, chest flat dumb bell, chest incline fly, and chest flat fly, super set with a bicep routine for each. So for example: I super set chest incline with hammer curls, then I super set chest flat with twists, I intentionally do dumb bells for both chest and bicep this day. Remember my other chest day with just barbell? Barbells build more mass. I don’t want to inhibit my progress by putting barbell and dumb bell together, and furthermore, doing this ensures I have a building day, and then a day which is more oriented to shaping. I also put forearms in here. I do dumb bell for this too, one is leaning over a bench with my hands just over, and pulling my hand up toward my body, the other is standing with my hands to the sides pulling the weight upward with just my forearms, not biceps. I throw in negative dumb bell movements. In this case, I bend down, and stand up to get the weight up, and then I release it slowly with a weight I cannot pull up with my biceps to build the negative muscle, I do this for 4 reps. That’s all I need. It will likely get my bicep curls to 70 soon. I then throw in a dumb bell between my legs at 60lbs, and do weighted dips for decline chest shaping movements. It widens my chest where it connects to the sides by my back. It gives a more full look to the bottom of the chest.
Saturday: Squats. For this I need to make sure I don’t overdo the legs so growth goes well, this also keeps it far away from the dead lift. But it also separates the previous extension and pulls from the next day’s extension and pulls. I do a standard squat, up to 455 pyramid style and super set abs (used in the squat, much like the deadlift it is the negative muscle used for the squat) and calf raises. I use 3 45lbs plates, and a 25lbs to make sure I hit more in tune with 8 reps. Then I go to the leg press, super set with lunges. I used to do 80lbs, but right now I’m hitting 60lbs each arm to hit more reps. I then go to leg extensions, and hamstring curl machine.
Sunday: Tricep / Bicep / Shoulder day. I start with the shoulder shrug (mass movement) super set with a military press barbell, 45lbs and a 10 on each side. Then I super set skull crushers, 145lbs up to my max, with a barbell straight bar curl. I use the “easy bar” (nick name for the curved bars) for a bicep forearm curl, kind of like a jerk and I super set this with a dumb bell shoulder routine of 60 lbs. I alternate days here. One week I will use the straight bar on lower weight, one day the dumb bell. In other words, 100lb dumb bell shoulder press on days where it takes lead, 60 lbs when I do it after the barbell military press. The forearm has two purposes, one the forearm, but it also works the inner section of the bicep as well to shape it, rather than the negative dumb bell which shapes the alternate side. I super set forward and rear laterals. This I do 40 and 25lbs respectively. I throw in a secondary tricep, either bent over and extending my tricep with 40lbs behind my back, or with an overhead dumb bell, 80lbs for 6 up to 100 lbs for 5. I then throw in the shoulder raises with the 45 lbs wheel. So I’m doing 3 sets at any time. I hit cables for the negative form on biceps, and do slow twitch high rep slow movement curls. You have probably seen this movement. It is where the two cables you pull look like you are just showing off your biceps, but it’s a good negative routine.
The chest bicep and the shoulder days are the most intensive on the body building. The dead lift, squat, and only chest days are for mass / strength building.
But I bet you don’t know the difference.
All this with an hour of HIIT cardio each day.
I could kick your @$$ and am not lazy. This is an extremely good routine. It makes me outperform all my peers. You should probably take it. Heck, I’ll coach you if you want. This isn’t including all my variations. I could show you a lot.
I’m not all mean, just when I debate politics with people like you.
You would take Monday off. Classic toolish lazy person. Monday is actually when I do all my workouts. 24 hours for the entire day, while you’re just sitting around “taking monday off.”
Grow up, Bobby. Get a methodology bro.
I have plenty of methodology. I discussed several types that showed you in fact do not. You quote links, you don’t quote methodology. We’ve talked on this before.
You keep mocking the possibility that I’m in the gym with bogus comments. I’ve earned respect in the gym. You will give that respect, and stop this immature tirade of whining that I commented on my routine after you insulted me. It seems to offend you that I could be in good shape. Or, you just want to offend me. Either case makes you quite a weak male. Did you meet your daily quota of showing that republican what was what? Plain idiotic Stan.
It doesn’t reflect well on you.
Whatever Bob, youre the type of dude that skips leg day. I read through your “workout.” Reminds me of spin class. Go have a pomegranate juice, tool.
Oh yeah, I totally do spin class, and skip leg day.
Despite having a deadlift and squat section in my lift, that is in excess of 400 lbs on each.
I’m such a pansy.
Meet me at the gym, if you want to talk trash.
2 and a half hours a day is basically pro athlete, and my lifts are no different.
Also do you know why I skip Monday? Of course, part of the reason is lifting beyond 5 days a week inhibits strength gains. In fact, typically you don’t want to do above 4 days of strength building. That’s why I made my fifth day the way I did. But the reason I skip Monday in particular instead of another: Religious education classes. It’s a hobby. I already told you I do more than you in life. Is my schedule becoming more clear now?
Religious education classes? Sounds like a cult, bro. Which makes sense, given your inability to understand facts and reason. The ‘roids are going to your lazy brain, man. Get help.
Funny how Stan sticks his hand out and mooches off mom calls bob – an employed family man – lazy…
Must be that new Obama speak….
Yes, learning about religion through classes it totally a cult.
Are you insane?
I don’t take ‘roids. Stop mocking me for going to the gym and being successful at it. You’re a very jealous man.
Moving off of that: Facts and reason are all I’m about, as opposed to you, it’s one insult after the next. You somehow think that wins arguments.
It doesn’t.
Thanks FFA, I do like being referred to as a family man.
As a parent for some reason seeing that just made me smile. I do a lot for my family. I’ve never thought of myself as a family man out loud, but I am one. I never would have thought I would be what I am today. Everything about me changed after having a family and kids. I would do anything for them.
FFA you will be happy to know that I have a job now. Lucky for me, I can still avoid paying income tax since I dont make much money, but hey, small steps.
And Bob, you have a family but never thought of yourself as a family man? Be weirder, bro. You cant.
Bob, you are what you are… Family First mentality makes you a family man weather you realize it or not. I hope the Christmas season is treating you well.
Stan… Good for you. Its the first step. Its easier to get a better job then it is to get a job so you have cleared your first hurdle. Give your self a few months with some degree of measurable success and the next best thing is waiting for you… Hope your having a great (what ever you non believers call it) season!
Mine just got a little better. Word seeping out of Hallas Hall that Trestman is gone and they may be pulling the plug on Cutlers contract as well as Emerys… Nothing confirmed yet, but we can only hope. Now, if we could just get rid of that F’n Obama.
Stan,
When you have a family, you get so caught up in doing things for them,
It is just what you do. You’re just being a dad, a husband, etc.
I wouldn’t for example go cut down a tree and say I’m being a family man while doing it. I would just do it.
We all walk in the shadow of our fathers as a side comment. And when I think family man I think of him. He completely dedicated his life to his kids, when he was alive.
It is quite intimidating to consider myself to be called a family man when I talk about what I do for my family.
Well you seem to spend most of your time at the gym, so I just figured you called yourself a Gym Tool and not a Family Man. But whatever, you can call your lazy self whatever you want.
I do not have to choose either to be a family man or be in the gym. You continually mock me for being out of the gym, and imply I’m not in the gym. Now here you are again, mocking me for being in the gym.
And as for call myself what I want, I didn’t call myself a family man. FFA did.
You have a serious attitude problem.
Also,
You will stop calling me lazy. It is abusive, and is not ok.
It is different to call someone something based on their actions.
For example:
If you make a stupid comment, I can call you stupid.
If I exist and am a republican you don’t like, calling me lazy is not ok.
You will stop. It is not a request. Got it?
I don’t get bullied. We can battle it out in me reporting you to insurance journal and you reporting me, and you being constantly told to knock it off,
Or you can do the right thing.
Bob I am sorry that your weak feelings got hurt. Be a man.
I’m sorry, is my responding to you not being a man, or your continued attempts to illicit a response from a stranger online and call him lazy?
Don’t push me, boy.
With your weak arms, Bob-O, believe me, I wont be pushing you.
Stan,
My arms aren’t weak for one.
For two, you need to stop trash talking, it doesn’t make you manly.
For three: Grow up. We are not alike in insults. It doesn’t make me equal to you or more wimpy to defend myself from you calling me weak.
What, my only option is to cut my balls off and praise you?
You’re a macho weak willed piece of garbage.
Why don’t you come try and see how small my arms are.
This is really laughable. My father talked with me before he died. He said it was a little ridiculous how fit I had become.
You’re an idiot kid. I am literally top 1% of 1% in lifting. You can choose to see this as me being a tough guy. I have offered to send pictures and meet you in person.
Maybe I’ll even send you a picture that says “I love you stan, but you don’t compete” so you know it’s me.
So pathetic.
You are obsessed with just throwing out insults. You are making your self immasculine. Not me.
Bob, please send me a picture ASAP that says “I love you Stan” like you promised. Unless you’re not a man of your word, which would make you a lazy liar.
And you’re really not THAT fit. 95th percentile MAYBE. Def not better than that.
Stan,
95th percentile will do for me. Now that you’ve finally admitted I’m in the gym.
Even though you’re wrong on that, I don’t really care.
Something you should know with regards to athletes:
The top 1% and the top 1% of the 1% are extremely different in performance and I know the difference.
Let’s apply it to the U.S. The top 1% of the population is 3.2 million people. There are 50 states. This means there are 64,000 people in each state that are the top 1% performers.
I realize that not all the 320,000,000 people workout, but that’s the point. That makes the top 1% stick out even more.
Now when you go to a beach, how many people surpass Ryan Reynolds in shaping? Ryan Reynolds as a side comment has flat shoulders. He’s lean. He isn’t a body builder.
How many could go on a magazine?
This is where we get to the top of the top performers.
Which is usually 1%
There are not 64,000 people per state that can lift 495 on deadlifts. In my weight class, the record for the state is in the mid 500’s, and that is not accounting for age.
That dies down to 640 per state if you go for the top 1% of the 1%. Half of these will be body builders, half will be power lifters. Those numbers are fairly correct.
If you go to a beach in WA, you will only see a few people who look like body builders, who are the 1%
On my lean, I am not one of the 5th percentile. Not even a chance. This is where you see your highschool and college frat boys, somewhat fit.
Bob, there were a lot of rich incumbents who lost in the mid terms and are busy packing their boxes up. In the past, it was almost impossible to unseat a sitting Senator with their large war chests. Of course, they had a sizable yoke of Obama to overcome this time. I am sure glad he made that video about his policies being on the ballot.
Agent,
When all else fails, and the person you debate with is invincible,
Apparently Stan’s method is to make random posts that don’t make sense as my name, in order to damage my credibility.
The post regarding campaign limits was not me. I don’t have much to say on this topic.
Bob, are you saying that you are also a victim of moniker theft like what happened to me? That is patently dishonest to try to make someone else look bad by posting something the person would not say. These Progressives have no shame at all. They just cannot believe their party lost so badly in the mid terms so they lash out any way they can.
Stan is literally insane. I’m not completely sure it is him doing it, or if it is just coincidence, but it certainly is happening a lot lately where I see my name and I have not commented on the post at all.
It’s awfully coincidental that his replies are also there to my name.
Of course it could be one of the other Bobs here since there are about 3, in which case he is far too quick to think it is me.
He’s a very presumptive little kid isn’t he?
Bob, when Booger did his thing on my moniker name posting his trash, at first he denied doing it like Stan is with you. Then he turned around and hacked my Identity and published it all over the forum and Libby and Ins102 gleefully mocked me. To people like Booger, Stan, Libby and Ins102, they are the pits. They subscribe to a failed ideology so their favorite theme is to lie, criticize, insult, mock since nothing their side proposes works in this society. They think their President has been honest and forthright with the American People. They believe that Jonathon Gruber did not write the Obamacare Bill even though there is evidence he did from his own lips.
lol “moniker theft.” You guys really are the consumate victims, arent you? Newsflash, no one cares at all about what happens on this little forum in a forgotten corner of cyberspace. And no one is stealing your moniker either. If it doesnt make sense its probably because you and your positions DONT MAKE SENSE.
Morons.
Stan, you have been “bawling” for two years playing the victim that you can’t get a job with three degrees and blaming anyone and everyone for your troubles. Who plays the victim better than you? That is your greatest accomplishment, playing the victim. I guess you got that from your President who always blames someone else for his troubles and his inability to solve any problems.
First off, Ive only been on this board for about 8 months (starting with your ridiculous article blaming young people for not having good jobs), not two years. And I am not complaining, I am attacking (mostly people like you for ruining the country.
You are the one who is blaming and complaining, mostly about tone and how people on the internet are hurting your feelings. I would have expected a Texan to at least be tough in addition to being dumb.
Bob – do you actually think you are the ONLY person on IJ named BOB??? Get over yourself. Nobody is stealing your stupid palindromic name.
Stan, how about you giving us your true name, email address and many of us would like to send you information on attachments?
Agent, for a simpleton like you who conflates moniker mockery with identity theft, you sure are anxious to have more personal details spilled on an anonymous internet forum. No surprise there, just more hypocrisy from the Right.
However, as a gesture of good faith, if you want to email me something, feel free to use: stan1@mailinator.com
You’re welcome, Old Man.
Did you really just say his unwillingness is more hypocrite behavior on the right?
Ok, we can solve this an easy way:
I’ll make an IMGR account, or whatever that website is and post my pictures there.
I know you want to defend your personal information. It’s why I keep mocking you about this. You just haven’t caught it.
Your personal information should apparently be private, whereas you are blabbing about my personal ethics constantly.
It’s my way of saying shut up, unless you actually want to get personal.
Whoa, Bob, the last thing I want to do is be associated with a weakling like you, personally or professionally. Why don’t you go do some yoga and pipe down?
And do what you want for a picture, the IJ is waiting. Unless you’re too scared your methodology wont work.
And…it flew over your head again.
Not surprising.
Apology not accepted, Bobby.
I asked for your full name Stan. We would all like to get to know you better. Posting a bogus email address is not helpful to get your identity.
Agent, I never saw your full name. Why don’t you post first, you know, as a gesture of good faith?
Agent – YOU are the one that led us to your real name by posting your constant drivel all over the internet. It wasn’t hard to locate you.
Why don’t you put on your thinking cap and try to track one of us down? Let’s see if you have the intelligence and know-how. If not, quit whining about being exposed. Nobody did anything wrong but you.
Both sides are a bunch of corrupt politicians! Makes me sick! At least they are consistent with each other and both allow the criminals to prosper, either by being an illegal or a rich banker. Our government will take care of both sides, just not the ones in the middle.
Baxtor, how about some great quotes about politicians?
Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other – Oscar Ameringer
I offered my opponents a deal: If they stop telling lies about me, I will stop telling the truth about them. Adlai Stevenson
What happens if a politician drowns in a river? That is pollution. What happens if all of them drown? That is a solution.
Maybe missing the point….. They finally agreed on something… May / May not like it, but they agreed on something….
Off subject FFA, but how bout them Cowboys kicking the Eagles on their home turf? Green Bay losing to the Bills? The old adage on “any given Sunday” held true on that one.
FFA, there will be a whole lot more agreeing going on next year when those bills start rolling out and being passed. I wonder what kind of obstructionist they will find with Obama’s veto pen ready. He may run out of ink and have to get a new pen.
FFA, have you had enough of Jonathon Gruber yet? When he testified before Congress, he proudly proclaimed that he was not the architect of Obamacare even though his prior statements indicated that he was. Guess what, a new tape showed up and he claimed that he did write much of it. I assume that lying in front of Congress was a crime, but I could be wrong. Time to lock this guy up. Bernie has a cell waiting for him.
What does Stan and the Bears have in Common???? They both want a pay check with out having to work for it…
FFA, I will be honest with you. I couldn’t watch much of that game since the Bears were so disjointed, they could hardly run a play. Tell me, does Cutler really look like a $54 million guaranteed signing bonus quarterback to you with a $100 million contract if he plays it out? One commenter on NFL network think the Bears wasted their money and could have spent their money more wisely on other team needs. The coaching staff probably all needs to go from Trestman down. These players obviously don’t want to play for them and are just going through the motions. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bears get SF Harbaugh in the off season and maybe he could restore the team. He may consider bringing Lovie back to be an assistant. The players played for him.
That doesnt make sense. And for the record, its not that I dont expect a paycheck, its that I expect a paycheck commensurate with the debt I incurred in order to do better for myself.
There is a flipside to this argument, you personally complain about going from $120k/yr to ~$60k/yr. Well, my advice is the same as yours, go out and stop complaining and “work for it.”
Or is that overly simplistic and insulting?
Lets see…. I put in 4 Health Aps on Friday. Wrote a Beam Walker account – finished it yesterday. In an hour or so, I have a client coming in for a Performance Bond. I have another Welder in the system and I have no less then 15 life prospects that put me off till the first of the year. That’s what I have done past three weeks to get back on track. I am back to working on Saturdays. Yes my phone is ringing again.
How about you?
Great, you worked hard. I earned three degrees. As a wise man once told me, and Ill repeat to you, “that entitles you to nothing.”
Do you view that as a bad thing? The minimum wage bump I mean.
Yes I do. When Il bumped the Min wage over our neighbors on the borders, many business simply shut down in IL and moved across the border. Especially the Freeport Il area, so many vacant building just falling apart. When I went down state, I traveled along the IL / IN border. More of the same. So many employers struggling to keep the doors open with unemployment rates so high, going to force more unemployment in Chicago, more vacant buildings falling apart.
My efforts entitle me to a pay check. Your 3 degree efforts entitle you to a chance at a pay check.
You now have your chance. Make the best of it kid. In the words of one of my reps “Go Get Em Tiger” (with a pat on the back).
FFA, I think Stan is one of those educated idiots who have no common sense and doesn’t possess the gumption to get out and stir the pot for a job like we did after college. Man, I beat the bushes, used an employment agency and they found me something. It wasn’t my life work, but I supported my young family until the insurance industry beckoned and I was recruited. I haven’t looked back in 30 years.
Well Freedom, I used the Power of Ten method. Ten Resumes. Ten Interviews weekly. Any combination that added to ten worked for me. One of them ten passed my Resume to a Farmers Agent. Before I even got back to the current job, the Farmers agent was calling recruiting me for an agency producer. I met with him later that day. Told him I wanted agency. He passed it to the DMAT. The DMAT called me with in an hour and that was that. Over 25 years on Main St USA now.
Some people just are not willing to put that effort in.
Did you walk uphill both ways to and from work too? In the winter? Carrying coal?
Maybe you should move to Chicago Rahm bumped Min Wage to $13.00 according to his political ads. I have not paid much attention to the news as of late. So, I caution you – he is an Obama Crony.
If Stan moved to Chicago, we could recommend south Chicago. I hear that is a lovely place to live and work.
South Chicago is legit one of the most murderous counties in the country. Mostly because of lack of gun control laws. Very nice, Agent. Encouraging homicide a week out from Christmas. You’re lucky I am tougher than you are, else I’d be tempted to complain about tone. But I wont because I dont care and because youre still a dummy.
You could always sic Bob on him…
Yet another blow out on National TV. They have never played very well in the Prime Time Spot Light. Their only loss in 85 was on Monday night. I would start chopping heads with the GM. I would love to see Jim Harbaugh on our side lines next year. Lovie is working in Tampa. That ship sailed.
Cutler…. No way is he worth that kind of money… No way. Then again, he did get beat up – 5 sacks again – last night. Still cant seem to come up with that magic formula to keep him on his feet.
Bill Cowher would be awesome. Fit right into the Chicago Black & Blue style. The Cubs & Sox are making a play for next year… Why not the Bears?
FFA, I think they screwed the pooch on the CAP with the Cutler contract. Where is the wiggle room unless they re-negotiate his contract to free up some room? I doubt if he would do that, but I could be wrong. The offensive line is woeful. They were just waving at those NO lineman to unload on Cutler. I don’t know who #75 is, but several shots showed him beat so bad, he must have been asleep at the switch. If that guy was playing for Denver or NE, he would be on waivers the next morning. You just can’t have that in the Not for Long league.
Did you see the Bull rush on the center??? The nose tackle just ran Garza backwards into Cutler. Dragged down Jay with one hand.
FFA, before the game, the commentators were saying that NO couldn’t stop anyone and their defensive line had the worst record in the league. Couldn’t rush, couldn’t stop the run and Forte’was going to have a field day. Guess what, the Bears offensive line made NO look like All Stars when Forte’ got basically shut down and the Offensive line let them in on every pass play and Cutler kept sailing passes over the receivers hands.
Bob, you should know by now that its pointless to argue with kids. Especially when they think they are the smartest and most handsome person on the planet.
FFA, did you read the diatribe above? Bob is not a serious person, he’s spending his time lamenting about weight lifting on an insurance forum!
While I disagree with literally everything you believe politically, I do respect the change with which you’re now faced. Its challenging for both of us, even if we disagree about the cause and solution. That being said, why do you defend and side with the Bob’s and the Agent’s of the world?
Cant you see these people destroy the credibility of your argument, your position, and your party? Bob is a simpleton at best. Why dirty your hands unnecessarily?
Stan, had you been following IJ for the past several years, you would have noticed Bob doing a number on Libby and others of your ilk with backed up data. So what if he has gotten into it on the strength issue. You posted your so called capabilities in the weight room as well so you are the pot calling the kettle black. By the way, you will not be successful in getting FFA to abandon me, so quit trying. He is a businessman and an agent, you are just an underemployed 3 degree dufus.
I was making fun of him. Who gives a shit what someone’s bench is? Lifting weights like that is a sign of vanity, not strength.
Also, Bob didnt do a “number” on Libby. That moron thought that Osama was in Iraq and posts links to wikipedia articles. More words does not a better argument make, Agent. Jesus you guys are dense. No wonder you’re losing the country so badly, no one can take you seriously.
Oh he’s right. I did to a number on Libby. Also: She thought that Osama was found in Iran. I actually corrected her.
My links to her were not wiki links on the norm, most of the time I intentionally quote MSN.
You actually asked me why I quoted NPR once. My answer, was because it was democrat leaning and you couldn’t insult it.
And furthermore, we are not dense.
You have made many errors in your posts.
You tried to use one link to show that the dollar was doing well, I used a multitude of links that showed QE was directly linked to gas prices going up, because it devalued the dollar.
This is old.
Osama wasnt found in Iran or Iraq, Robert you simple tool. He was found in Pakistan. Goodness gracious, be dumber man, you cant.
Did I just say he was found in Iraq?
In the past I actually informed Libby that Osama was in Iraq and we had information showing it, before he left.
If I ever typed Iraq, it was by mistake while talking about that fact. Osama was in Iraq just after the attack on the U.S. I specifically argued that Saddam told us we couldn’t inspect Iraq while he was there.
Not that he died there.
Again, if I accidentally typed that I apologize, but I know for certain that you are thinking about when we also debated on whether the water boarding helped, and talked about the who lead to Osama Bin Laden.
More to comment on here:
You refuse to focus on any one topic.
What are we even arguing about?
Whether or not I’m in the gym, and whether or not I’ve made a mistake in arguing. This is purist. Another time you tried to discredit me by saying I wasn’t responsible for having kids and tried to assume I was not married to damage my ability to debate with you.
Why don’t we choose a topic. Not ad hominem attacks. Eh?
Get your head back on straight.
No I said that you are too old to be a millennial which goes to show that youre a liar, which discredits all your links and idiotic methodological arguments, seeing sound excluded.
Boom, roasted.
Bob, All my Gran Children try this tactic that Stan is using. I call it Deflection – Change the subject instead of admitting they are wrong.
LoL if you’re like my grandpa, then the world is indeed in bad shape. She can barely drive a car, much less understand the complexities involved in a global economy. She still uses a typewriter though, so I guess you’re still ahead of her there.
The new economy is so radically different from what you remember, FFA. I really feel bad with how out of touch you are. Im starting to blame you less though, it’s not your fault. The world just moves fast. The way of life I suppose.
*grandma
I’m roasted for seeing sound, while you talk about methadology.
It was not meant literally. And you can see the sound someone makes in person, quite literally the way their lips move etc.
Also your commentary on being too old to be a millennial and being a liar makes no sense.
Going more to the point, I choose to debate topics. Not my personal life, which is what you are trying to call me liar regarding.
I don’t need your approval, or your stereo types based on my lifestyles.
It isn’t relevant to the argument.
Boom. Truly roasted. This is intellect Stan.
“LoL if you’re like my grandpa, then the world is indeed in bad shape. SHE can barely drive a car, much less understand the complexities involved in a global economy”
So…Your mom is a hermaphrodite…That is what I gather here.
I find it more than just a little funny how much you mock people for errors and you just did one yourself and it’s just human.
Moving on: Respect your Grandma.
Moving on further: Yes. The older generation understands the economy better than you.
What type of relationship do you have with your family?
I think I finally get it. We have the family rebel in our midst. The one who thinks he is special and everyone else is wrong. You seem willing to insult their intellectual capacity and to think you’re smarter than them. More early 20’s attitudes.
It’s just a fact: The 40-65 generation built America. They didn’t destroy it.
I corrected the mistake prior to your comment, but whatever.
“Respect my grandma” “old people are smarter”
My grandma is a racist who doesnt think women should work outside the home because thats how it was done in her generation. Your adoration is cute, but misplaced. Think for yourself. Age is nothing but a number. Your adulation of that generation is telling.
And old people are not smarter. look at Agent if youre unpersuaded.
Age is not just a number. Wisdom takes time + Experience. Or do you believe that 7 years in a field makes you as capable as 1?
I do think for myself. I refuse to think as you think. That is thinking for myself. Or do I only think for myself if I think what you think? That seems to be an untrue statement, little boy. You have a lot of wisdom to gain. I’m calling it. You are not past early 20’s. This attitude does not exist nearly to this degree in aged men. It just doesn’t.
Regarding gender roles: Your mother has legitimate beliefs there. A woman staying home to take care of the kids is, speaking in general, best for the kids. She is not a sexist. It is simply true that women are in a multitude of ways better at nurturing children. This is not to say they cannot do jobs and that is why they should stay home. It is simply the way the world works best.
Regarding Racism: I’m sorry your grandma is a racist. This however is another lie, that our grandparents are the racist group out there. You are experiencing a new generation in some ways, but new does not mean that suddenly the world is different and you are special or better than the last.
I will not insult my elders. I refuse.
In regards to your Grandma, and your idiotic arguments here:
Age is just a number, except for with old people and when it’s not a number according to you.
Then age has everything to do with destroying the U.S.
Right?
And this is not hypocrisy whatsoever, because all praise Stan’s whimsical posts, not one that has had links today (lazy I guess) and not one that hasn’t been rooted in whether or not I’m in the gym, I’m old, or some other pointless crap.
BRAVO!
Again:
You are spending your time calling my lazy physically and mentally. So I posted my workouts,
Then you called me weak.
You’re the one with the superiority complex, not me.
And on an insurance forum no less!
Bob – with as much as you work out, when do you have time to work? I have NOT ONCE seen you post an insurance related comment on this forum. Are you, or are you not, in the insurance business? If not, what the hell are you doing on here?
Bob doesnt actually work out, he just pretends to be tough online. He’s prob one of those WA skater types with long hair, tattoos, and a blank face.
Also, I am not the smartest and most handsome. Just very smart and very handsome. Not like that Lazy Bob.
More conversation deviations. I’m just not replying to these anymore.
This is specifically to get a rise out of people. It’s just pathetic.
You’re the one who is bad for saying these things, not the people who reply to you. It has no place here. If you want to debate politics, DO IT, stop being a sniveling little boy.
Hey Bob, to show you how dumb Democrats have been, Clinton bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan when he thought Bin Laden was there. He let them get away with the the Kobar Towers bombing, the USS Cole, the embassies in Kenya and all he did was send a cruise missile to blow up an abandoned training site. And the left think Clinton was so smart.
“If you want to debate politics, DO IT”
Bob – this is not a political forum. It is an insurance forum, where political debates should be in relation to the insurance business. However, some people just have a need to rant and rave their political opinions at each and every opportunity. It’s not appropriate.
Now Bob, don’t be lazy. If you want to give up because, I am right. Fine, I respect that. But dont quit just because it’s hard to be persuasive. Here’s a hint: it’s easier for me because the Republican policies are factually bad for America. You’re trying to argue against gravity bro.
Tool.
I choose to give up on arguing about
“Also, I am not the smartest and most handsome. Just very smart and very handsome. Not like that Lazy Bob.”
Which is not related to republican policies. It has nothing to do with you being right either.
Classic Bob, giving up. And yet you want us to believe you lift all those weights. I bet you give up there too.
You sound like a republican.
Which is ironic. Bash your head against a wall and just keep fighting a pointless fight right?
I am choosing to not take a pointless argument. There is a distinct difference. Those who do not choose their battles, never win the important ones.
Napoleon could have focused on what color his socks were, how big his penis was, and other pointless factors. Instead he chose to focus on winning his battles. This is not to say I support his battles of course.
I choose to focus only on what truly matters. Not whether the sun goes ’round and ’round the garden like a little teddy bear.
To make a parody of the British Sherlock Holmes. You should watch that by the way. It’s a good show.
Napoleon lost at Waterloo, Bob. Surely you can find a link for that. And if I sounded like a republican, wouldnt that make you, Agent, and FFA more receptive to my arguments? Or are you all just furious over an everchanging world and young people (real young people, not young people via technical lie) just make a nice scapegoat?
I’m telling you, that you sound like what you perceive republicans to be. Idiot.
Moving on: It doesn’t matter that Napoleon was eventually defeated. So was Alexander the great, his empire eventually fell.
I’m talking about people who focused on getting things done. They don’t focus on the color of their socks or crap.
They focus on facts.
My decision to not focus on your crap, is not giving up on all of life. You are way too over dramatic.
Oh no! I have given up the fight of whether or not I go to the gym, or am ugly with Stan! I’m so weak!
If I fight back, I’m so weak for not shutting my mouth! Oh boo hoo!
No win scenarios right?
You’re trash. Now get lost. You’re arguing with an intellectual elite. Go pick someone else to bully. It isn’t working here.
Well, in that case, Republican theories are also dying. And progressive policies are going to be taking over because, get this, they are progressive, as in better than the old policies.
Mission accomplished.
hahahaha an intellectual elite who spends all day (except mondays!) in the gym in a city he hates but wasnt smart enough to get out of. Riiggghhhttt, Bobby.
Of course, because you are either an intellectual elite, either fat and balding or nerdy and skinny, or in the gym.
More stereotypes coming from an open minded liberal, who thinks republicans are bigoted.
What I mentioned was in no way related to your mission accomplished statement.
If you want to debate republican and democrat ideals, DO SO.
All day except Mondays and Thursdays I might add.
Apparently you don’t know basic math. I said I have a 5 day week and even spelled it out.
And you just did the math and figured all weeks are 6 days long, correct? You are such an intellectual person Stan! Keep it up!
So hilarious.
I already posted info regarding the LPR, age range of where it is declining, and explained how if the LPR goes down, unemployment goes down, so unemployment on its’ own cannot show the jobs scenario in the U.S.
And you laugh and call me an idiot. I’m an intellectual elite. People do not look into the individual ages of the LPR, and you know it. This does show I am not stupid. I do research. You just disagree with me. You refuse to argue research though.
Instead, all republicans are hypocrites, and general statements about people who work out, or something. Right?
One thing Bob that Stan still doesn’t realize is that the country turned red on him a few weeks ago and his beloved Progressive Socialist Party got their head handed to them. It is only going to get worse for them when legislation starts hitting them between the eyes starting in January. All he can do is snarl, insult people that disagree with him.
Bad news for you Agent. Even lazy Bob agreed with the article I posed a few weeks ago: the country is undeniably leaning left and the Republicans cannot field a national presidential candidate. Irrespective of whether democratic or republican policies are best, the country is turning more and more progressive and there is nothing you silly Agents can do about it.
Bummer, bro.
I have ADD Tendencies. These long post…. I scan them looking for talking points. His post was directed at you so, no I did not. I know enough about Bob – Family Man doing why he has to and taking his responsibilities serious. Same with Agent & Sarge and many others.
I side with people that realize how bad OBama has damaged the Health Industry in particular as well as how bad a president this guy is. He may as well be Mark Trestman. This PPACA has got to be the most damaging “law” in our history. People who defend / support Govt Intrusion in to private business, I will never side with. So, here is your home work for today…Find one law where govt stuck their nose into private industry and made things better. I am 52, so lets limit it to that time frame. Hint… Its not the PPACA.
Im sure they take their responsibilities seriously. So do 5yr olds in a school play. That doesnt mean we should take their political views seriously. And this law is not damaging, millions of people now have health insurance.
What have the Republicans been offering? Well, they have a strong, militant, anti-labor union agenda—it’s really the most consistent stance in their platform. That’s it.
Obama has spoken often and passionately about the plight of the middle class, about declining wages and lost jobs and so forth. But since 2010, his ability to impact these things has been severely limited by the GOP House, which refused to enact any Democratic policies, and has on several instances attempted to use the threat of government shutdowns to win rollbacks. Unfortunately, the GOP has little new or serious to say on these issues–uttering the same supply-side nonsense (tax cuts for the rich, reduction of regulations, and race to the bottom) that they’ve been offering since 1980.
Admittedly, I’m bone-tired of Democratic cowardice. But the Republicans have nothing to offer me. Anti-unionism? A return to June Cleaver days? Religious militancy? No, no, and hell no.
Bob’s weight lifting and Agent’s lunacy help and persuade no one.
You are the one who brings up the weight lifting, and thus accordingly, help no one.
I didn’t bring it up randomly.
The reason they talk about the actions of the 80’s, is that the actions of the 80’s work.
Unions are not a good thing as a side comment. But I won’t go into that.
Bob, you dont even lift weights. Leave this debate to the strong. Go fry ice, bro.
“Bob’s weight lifting and Agent’s lunacy help and persuade no one.”
The reason why you believe that is all we focus on, is because you ignore
“The reason they talk about the actions of the 80′s, is that the actions of the 80′s work.
Unions are not a good thing as a side comment. But I won’t go into that.”
And then talk about weights instead of the topic at hand.
You see what you want to see, stupid republicans that cannot stay on topic, while you try to throw them off the rails.
Stay on topic.
Do you want to debate Reagan Vs Obama?
I already showed you how an unemployment rate will drop, no matter the jobs scenario, if the labor participation rate goes down. If the LPR goes up, then if no jobs are added the unemployment rate will go down.
So Reagan had the LPR go up, while the unemployment rate went down.
Obama had the LPR go down, while the unemployment rate went down. Meanwhile, this is not due to college students or retirees.
While this site typos the exact number of points, he has the charts and data which show the ages of those in the LPR read this:
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/record-low-labor-participation-rate-not-due-retirement-or-school-5431
For just the age group of 30 to 59 year olds, they account for 0.73 of the 0.96 percentage point drop in the overall unadjusted labor participation rate from a year ago. The same age group is responsible for 2.29 of the 2.06 percentage point drop in the overall unadjusted labor participation rate from October 2009 to October 2013. The reason the 30 to 59 year olds 2009 to 2013 labor participation rate plunge is greater than the overall decline is due to older workers increasing in their labor participation as shown in the above graphs for ages 60 and above. From October 2007 to October 2013 the 30 to 59 year olds participating in the labor force accounted for 3.0 of the 3.1 percentage drop in the labor participation rate, unadjusted, using October to October labor force statistics.
I should also add:
That after Obama’s stimulus, and after his programs wound down, etc, the jobs numbers actually are up this year. What’s with that? Spending is down, and jobs are up this year. Obama can’t get anything down with the blocking republican congress, and the economy is picking up.
Do you know what this reminds me of? 1995, the government shut down battle. The republicans obstructed Clinton, and then we had surpluses and an economic expansion. It was not before hand. Clinton’s second term was specifically far exceeded by his second.
What gives?
It shows that getting the government to stop acting, is more important than getting them to act.
The stimulus wasn’t necessary, and now racked up way too much debt. QE wasn’t necessary, and now caused another housing bubble, and inflation.
You’re free to debate and disagree with me. You are NOT free to call me an idiot because you disagree with me.
Normal people don’t look up what I just put. YOU don’t look up the LPR and compare the ages of those involved. You just say “hey unemployment is down! we are better off!”.
The unemployment rate can be down without jobs being added. Your methodology is flawed.
I compare more aspects, like the LPR, and the age range of those in the LPR to show that the LPR is actually quite relevant, and you say I’m stupid.
Because I looked up more than you.
Riiiiiggghhhttt
Right, I’m a tool because you don’t understand what I say to you.
You are in dire need of learning how to read, and what is appropriate to say.
And more to this:
If you went to the gym with me, you would pass out.
I do lift weights. Drop it, stay on topic.
No, you don’t. You’re a liar just like you lied about your age and Osama, why would we believe you lift weights or know anything about monetary policy? Great you can google NPR and .org articles. A nobel laureat Krugman disagrees with you. I believe him over some internet tough guy tool-liar.
Go do something else Bob. This is where the adults and Agent debate. Or were you lying about your commitment to stop talking too?
I did not lie about my age.
How old did I say I was?
I told you that I didn’t correct you when you called me an old geyser. I said the only thing I have “technically” lied about was my age.
I basically allowed you to believe I was an old geyser when I was not.
I’m older than you, but not by much. Unless you’re in the early 20’s, which is possible.
And none of what you just said directed my link (which you say I’m too lazy to post)
and none of it addresses why the 30-55 age range of the population does not have jobs and is declining still. None of this shows Obama has fixed the economy. It shows the pattern has continued whereas with Reagan, the pattern stopped.
As for my lifting weights, I do.
And I don’t care what you think on the matter. You only want to believe I don’t so you can call me a wimp.
Lifting doesn’t matter to me. To you, it’s a matter of social superiority. The same goes for if I do work out, I must be neglecting my family. Social superiority. But, this also shows you don’t work out.
You wanted to insult me on the basis that I don’t work out, but you yourself take offense to those who work out, shown in the fact that you said I ignored my family if I did, so it is clear that you do not work out on a regular basis.
I know people. I know why they make the arguments they do.
When you insult a guy online, he usually tells you that you are wrong.
It isn’t internet tough guy to say “No. I am not weak physically, I actually work out”
It is however internet tough guy, to actually call someone weak physically and intellectually in order to get that response.
You are weak, due to this.
Not your failed gym attempts.
Now argue politics, and stay on topic. Or is that too hard for you?
Bob, a “technical lie” is still a lie, pal. Not sure why you need to be “technically a tool” but you are. You cant just come on here, talk about lifting, technically lie about your age, promise to send me a picture, then take it back, then apologize, then take it back, then promise to stop talking, then take that back too.
Maybe you’re just confused. You should “lie” down. Should be easy for you.
Stan,
Wrong. Totally wrong.
I called myself out, not you, as a liar. I called myself technically a liar for not telling you my age.
It was a figure of speech, I also said do you want to know a secret. I was mocking you, and your preemptive decision about my age. You are so stupid, you know think that me calling myself a “technical” liar, is proof that everything I say is a lie. It was actually me saying satirically, that you were so stupid that when I never stated my age, you actually believed I was a geyser.
The technical lie, is that you assumed my age. Do you know what irony is?
Idiot.
Oh Bob, you’re such a tool. I hope IJ doesnt ban you for being so goofy! You’re like a silly dog, except you’re not loveable.
Obama gets a pass from Stan for many blatant lies to every American, but Bob don’t for a technical lie in a little ole Insurance Blog about something that don’t matter to any one..
Double Standard…. Bob, Run for Pres then you get a pass on any lie you tell.
I dont know if Obama purposefully lied, or if he was taken out of context, or if he was misquoted. I don’t care really because, as we all can see, when every single word you ever utter is front page news, you’re going to screw up eventually. And if thats the case, ill stick with the substance of the policy itself, and in this case, with the ACA, I believe that it is good for the country. Not great, because it doesnt contain costs, but it does expand coverage, and that is a good thing.
And Bob, you have to be strong to be president. Obama could lift 10x more than you. Probably beat you in basketball too. Tool.
Stan, acting like FFA:
It isn’t a double standard.
I was mocking you, you idiot.
The big lie, the big secret, is that I am not as old as you think.
It was satirical! For god’s sakes. You assumed my age and were wrong.
I finally decided to correct you.
And I called it a technical lie, since I never corrected you until that point, but the only reason I called this a technical lie, was that you were wrong the whole time, and I allowed you to look like an idiot.
Finally I revealed that I allowed you to look like an idiot who was wrong about my age.
Stan the spin doc says “I dont know if Obama purposefully lied”
Don’t watch the new much? New reported he repeated this lie at least 53 times after he knew it was not true.
Spin away Stan or just do some research. On the internet, ya know…
And what news should I watch? Fox News? I posted a NYT article the other day about the ACA being great for the american people. You all were unimpressed.
CNN. NBC. CBS. ABC. Fox. MSNBC. Reuters. WGN. CLTV. CNBC. Huffington Post. C Span 1. CSpan 2. News Max. ect… ect…
Print – Chicago Tribune. Chicago Sun Times. Daily Herald. Daily Chronicle. The Republican.
In other words, every news outlet.
You had to have your head buried up your a@# when that story broke.
Would it persuade you that the ACA is a good law if I found an article on one of those news outlets that said as much?
“Im sure they take their responsibilities seriously.”
I didn’t say other people didn’t. I simply stated they do. I’ll believe what I want to. You believe what you want to.
“And this law is not damaging, millions of people now have health insurance.”
Your feet are not on the ground dealing with this mess. Until they are, you – or anyone else – will never know the damage except on their SIPKING bills.
“What have the Republicans been offering?”
Don’t know. Don’t care. I just know its got to be better then this.
“anti-labor union agenda”
I have two brothers in unions. One lost his house due to No Work. The second was on the Unemployment line for three years picking up what ever “side job” he could to feed his family. Unions have out lived their usefullness.
“Obama has spoken often”
How can you believe anything he says. He is a proven Liar. He has zero credibility. You have more credibility then he does. The rest of your paragraph means nothing because you are defending a Liar.
“Bob’s weight lifting and Agent’s lunacy help and persuade no one.”
Your mind is already made up. So why should they bother to persuade you? That would be like me trying to convince Libby that Bob Segar Sucks…
Bottom line – you don’t have a single example.
I just gave you several examples and you responded – – eloquently – – with “dont know, dont care.” This is unpersuasive, FFA.
And until you’ve been rejected from insurance due to a pre-existing condition, then YOUR opinion doesnt matter because YOUR feet arent on the ground. The idea that only people’s views that count are the ones that are negatively affected by a piece of legislation is ludacris.
And if my mind is made up, what does that say about you? You’re opening position is that Obama is a liar. To refuse to believe that the ACA – – an incredibly complex law that is thousands of pages long and which affects millions of people – – makes Obama a liar because of one “keep your Dr.” statement legitimately blows my mind.
The future is not going to be kind to you man, and if you think Republican’s have a solution because “Obama = liar,” well I dont know what to tell you other than that you’re wrong and life is only going to be worse for you.
“And until you’ve been rejected from insurance due to a pre-existing condition”
It was available in IL. You must be smoking way too much pot as this has been part of our debate.
“Obama a liar because of one “keep your Dr”
One? I thought it was 53. Along with Keep your coverage. His Tax Scam in IL. His refusal to testify in the Blago Trial (what is he hiding). His association with convicted felons – Birds of a feather. Pardoning millions of criminals… Hell, major TV networks would not even televise that. Undeniable facts that I would not give any one a pass on.
“And if my mind is made up, what does that say about you”
Same thing it says about you. We are both exercising our constitutional right to make up our own minds. Guess we have something in common.
I don’t know if republicans have a solution – time will tell, but I know OfnBama don’t.
I dont know much about the IL insurance market prior to the ACA, but I do know that generally across this country you were ineligable for health insurance with a pre-existing condition. The ACA removed that barrier.
The ACA is one step towards a single-payer solution. If you, or your party, has another, I would be very excited to hear it. Obama = liar is not a solution by the way.
PS Bob, youre lazy and a tool.
According to people on this forum, there was an outlet in other state. Indiana and Wi absolutely had one. Agreed, they need work. They didn’t need to be scrapped, they needed help.
FFA, we don’t need the left leaning NYT telling us the same lies that Obama has been telling. Obama is on tape 39 times telling us if we like our plan, we can keep it, if we like our doctor, we can keep him, we will save an average of $2,500 for a family. Then, we have his minion Gruber on tape numerous times with his lies, telling us we are stupid and can’t make decisions about our Healthcare so the Progressives had to tell us what we wanted. I suppose the 6 million that got their policies cancelled was a lie also. I had to send my customer to the BC website the other day so he could see if he could get a subsidy, because he can’t afford the most basic Bronze plan as quoted. Yes, the Progressive Democratic Party has the Liar in Chief in office for two more years. I wonder how many bills that help Americans he will veto before he leaves.
Well FFA refers to the news, now you say you dont need the news. Which is it, do you want to trust the news or not? Or do you just want to spout nonsense and then bitch when people are mean to you you?
Aww, poor Agent, all those facts are hurting his Texas Two Step Feelings. You big pansy.
I don’t see a single example of Govt Intrusion into private business that has helped the country in the past 52 years in your post. Just rambling about Unions.
My mind is made up. Obama has lied so many times when he knew the truth that anything he says needs to be proven.
Don’t know where you been the past year or so, but yes indeed, my feet are on the ground writing this business – guiding people through this complex complicated over regulated BS soft ware dumbest way of rolling out BS that has ever taken place.
For example, you have open enrollment for Medicare, Medicaid, Public Aid, Personal Health and Group Health all at once. How many million people is that? Right before the holiday? Logistically, its not workable for everyone to be after the same thing at the same time. Very Poorly thought out. Web site is a mess – It keeps crashing. People on the 800 number help as much as they can, but when the web site sucks, they run into the same issues I do. One I put on last week keep changing the effective date to 2/1/15. Over 4 hours on the phone with one frustrated “help Desk” gal to get it fixed. She voided what I input three times and re-entered it from scratch. One and Done does not exist with this the way it used to – before he stuck his nose into private industry. Even the ICHIP site worked better then this does. I could even help people with the Medicaid / Public Aid. Now – no. People are thrown to the wolves and can not get Licensed Professional help/advice.
I don’t know what the Reps have in mind. I do know it has got to be better then this.
Govt intrusion into private business? How about regulating energy markets in California? With deregulation, Enron ran rampant with rolling blackouts along the west coast.
How about the EPA reducing the amount of lead in food and toys for children? How about the FDA putting requirements on drug companies to ensure proper testing and labeling? How about the CDC effectively mitigating and ultimately stopping an Ebola pandemic on US soil? How about the creation of SS, a program that you paid into and which will ultimately keep you and your friends out of the gutters when your body and minds deteriorate to the point of infirmary.
Do regulations impose externalities on businesses? Of course. But just because those externalities make life harder for YOU, does not mean that they are bad for the country as a whole. What benefits small business is irrelevant to what is good for a nation. Stop being so selfish. And to think, you have the gall to call the young people of this country entitled. Unbelievable.
Yet you’re ready to kick millions of people off their insurance because you had a bad experience with a “call center gal.” Grow up dude.
“Yet you’re ready to kick millions of people off their insurance”
That’s exactly what Obama did. 7 Million + if I remember correctly. Made them change docs. Carriers they were happy with.
Changing doctors is not the same as being without health insurance. And if anything, that is a stronger argument for MORE reform since insurance companies can basically do whatever they want right now. The market is working against you, FFA. Let the government work for you.
Tell that to any female. I dare ya…. Ask you mommy if she wants to change lady parts docs… Double dare ya… I know there are some women that just don’t care whos poking around beaver town, but they are the exception.
You don’t have what it takes to tell a woman that.
Especially a mom with a young teen age daughter… Triple Dare ya…
The govt don’t work. They cant agree what Toilet Paper to put in the Bath room.
when the change is based on a down right lie, it is a big deal to us god fearing folk – young and old.
“Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country” Ronald Reagan – no wait… That was a democrat that said that wasn’t it?
I would tell my mother the same as you, it’s not the end of the world to have to change obstetricians. It is the end of the world to not be able to see an obstetrician in the first place.
BTW, “BeaverTown” was a nice touch. I am sure that that will win you lots of XX chromosome friends.
Not even willing to ask her are ya? Chicken…. Yellow… Go ahead. Tell her…
You – simply put – don’t have what it takes to let women know Obama lied to them. Front line in arms reach… Had I knew that I was the one that was going to have to inform women of that lie that Obama told her, I would have never dived into PPACA writer. Suck being the messenger…
My mother did not have her plan change despite the ACA, so I guess Obama didnt lie to her. Weird.
Don’t even want to try it, do ya…. Just a chicken s#$@….
See my link down the line what the dumerthencraps are now trying to do in IL… If you don’t like links, google the Illinois Hearld.
Do I want to call my mother out of the blue and tell her she has to change obstetricians? No, not really. But I dont want to tell her that her health insurance premiums are going up either.
Both outcomes are independent of the ACA. Its not that your doctor is gone, is that your shit plan is gone because there was no coverage there to begin with because they were non-compliant. You old folks are just so weak and whiny. Its a wonder why Canada didnt invade us 30 years ago.
No Stan. that’s not independent of the PPACA. Once again, you are not buried up to your a#@ on this.
This mess is all on Obama.. Premium Spikes. People losing their coverage. Changing Doctors. Losing their plans they liked. Experiencing spikes in OOP’s. Poor service from Non Professionals. Now every year, they just don’t renew. Its in a flawed web site (if it works) do this that the next thing. If it don’t work, sit on hold and wait over an hour for an under trained non professional that don’t give a rats ass about you and wont hesitate to disconnect you if the question is over their head.
How is that better?
FFA – I am one of many that don’t mind changing doctors, as long as I have access to see a doctor in the first place.
80% of people that live in this country work for Small Business. Govt make life hard on small business, it make life hard on 80% of people, you included.
Youre conflating owners of small business with employees of small business. More specifically, legislation that makes it harder for the owners of small business to retain the lions share of the profit, or that allow employees to leave small businesses easily for other businesses that pay more are technically bad for owners of small businesses, but they are good for the 80% of the country as a whole since those 80% are employees and not owners.
That is the whole point of voting democratic: enact policies that are good for employees, even if it costs the owners money.
This just in…. Whats bad for the goose is bad for the gander. Business fold, people lose their jobs. You included. So, be very careful you don’t kill the goose.
Enron… That was all Arthur Anderson. A Subject that hits way too close to home. I lost a lot of clients over that one. Large chunks of real estate went vacant in my immediate area because of that.
Many people that were employed by small business in my immediate area lost their jobs over that mess.
SS was not in my life time. That created a retirement income stream that did not exist. Private industry came into that market after SS was Created.
My local govt among many others are suing city halls through the Midwest because they strapped us to the Prairie State Power Plant. You lost that argument.
The FDA is currently blocking a surgical procedure that I need. Its been done successfully for years in Europe. You lost that argument.
Lead Paint…. You won that one. One out of three…. That’s Millions of dollars a year in MLB.
This is wrong. If a CEO makes $1mm instead of $20mm but the employees get raises and can afford to send their kids to college, that is not “bad for the gander” FFA. Its redistributive, but it has no effect on competitiveness. You are misplacing your faith in a flawed model of economics.
And Arthur Anderson was complicit in the accounting, not the deregulation. Again, you’re conflating two seperate issues. And its also telling that youre mad about the demise of a giant corporation that was based on fraud! Literally thousands of people lost their pensions, their entire lives due to Enron’s fraud, and yet youre mad because you lost a client. Jesus dude, get over yourself.
Great, go to Europe to get your procedure. You will love it since you can pay for it out of pocket, just like the free market entails. You will even pay less over there since their govt.’s put downward pressure on pricing (more regulation!).
And for the record, my arguments are not based on whether you as an individual has been a loser in their implementation. Just like its success wouldn’t be based on my gain. Its judged across millions of people, the macro effect.
Besides Agent, A lot of this stuff was while I was stuck on hold with PPACA crap.
Stan thinks the issues are just hitting me. He don’t realize how many people were affected by Obamas lies.
Yea, I know Stan bush blah blah blah…
FFA, I haven’t seen you this worked up in a while. Stan likes to agitate and loves his community organizer, no matter how bad he has governed. By the way, lead paint on children’s toys were let in from China by you guessed it, our government. Lead paint has been gone from American paint manufacturers for many years now. China, not so much.
I just practice with Stan. Get warmed up for my more mature Grand Kids… He’s just a dufas.
I have some of them Lead Pain Bobble Heads Mc Donalds was giving out a few years back. Yes… Made in China.
Youre honest to god a first-class moron, Agent. The EPA enforces standards which prevent China from selling / importing lead based toys. We dont manufacture them here anymore because your generation sold out the country by exporting jobs overseas. Great work, Boomers.
FFA, define mature? Are they nicer to you? Or do they just keep quiet when youre complaining about Obama because they know better than to reason with an out of touch old man? No offense, I personally cant wait to be out of touch and old. It means my debt was forgiven and I can finally start to take from the govt too.
They dislike Liars (OBama) too. They aspire to be self sustaining. Don’t complain much when they don’t get what they want. Don’t have that sense of entitlement. They don’t hate people that have lived the American Dream. When something needs to be done, they do it and don’t complain.
FFA, that is touching and all, but you and Agent are the two biggest complainers on this entire forum. All you do every day is complain about Obama this and Pelosi that. Why dont you take some of your own advice and do what needs to be done to improve your own situation instead of having some sense of entitlement that nothing can ever be changed?
That’s because we are on the front line of this OBama Care crap. More horror stories then success stories.
Had another Joe average call me yesterday stating how OBama screwed them too.
Had he not stuck his nose into this, I could probably care less about him one way or the other. He screwed everyone with this PPACA crap.
Great, so you can complain because you’re “stuck in the middle of it” but young people should just stop complaining that they cant find good jobs because “entitlement.”
You dont know what you’re talking about bro. Hypocrite at best. Either people should take responsibility – ALL PEOPLE – or they have a right to complain about systemic changes that affect their life. If youre going to bitch, get off your high horse about other people.
” If a CEO makes $1mm instead of $20mm” If , If and If. Find me a small business man making that kind of money. It not me. Its not Agent. None of my peers, even the GA I work with.
Millions of people doing the same thing at the same time…. It is unrealistic to think that every American can visit that web site and get everything done in the small window of time allowed. Its like me walking in to buy a lotto ticket thinking that I know the winning powerball number. Just not going to happen.
That is a fair point, the definition of “small business” should change, as you’re technically viewed the same as small 20 man hedge funds in NYC where they do make those kinds of sums.
And the exchange website is not for every american, its for those without coverage, roughly 10% of the population or 30mm people. And get this old man, websites can handle that kind of traffic. Facebook handles over 1b queries a day.
What is unrealistic apparently is for old people to think for themselves instead of hating the internets, young people, and Obama.
As opposed to hating old people, anything off the internet, and Bush.
Obama is a bad president. End of story.
Correction Bob, the worst ever….
Bob isnt the “worst ever.” Sure, he’s dumb and weak and makes silly arguments based on google’d links. But he’s at least trying. Lets just agree he’s a fool and ignore him.
JK Bob youre super smart and we all look up to you bc youre totes an “intellectual” lol.
Ah yes, as opposed to your links being….Not googled.
Got it. I thought you said that republicans had an aversion to the internet?
A hypocrite again? Shocking!
I am an intellectual elite. Did you, or did you not, look up the LPR in comparison to the unemployment, and find out who was dropping out of the job market?
Did you find out that the unemployment rate was going down largely due to the lowering LPR rate?
You have no way of knowing I’m weak, and it makes you weak calling me weak.
As for dumb, the LPR rate and the link to the unemployment rate, compared to Reagan, is completely relevant information that is not dumb.
It’s research you don’t agree with.
Methodology right?
I’m quoting sources to show numbers, then I set up the methodology. Do you disagree with the numbers I posted? Do you have proof they are wrong? Or are you using stereo types and insults to disregard variables of information? If it is the last of those, you are the problem with this country, and are in fact “stupid”.
Basically I showed you that the labor participation rate under Reagan went up with the unemployment, and that the LPR under Obama is down, and showed it is not due to retired folks. It is due to the labor force shrinking under Obama. It grew under Reagan.
I will say I don’t believe Obama is the worst president ever. This largely goes to FDR, whom gets a free pass for insane actions.
I consider Obama to average – bad. He is on the average side, but on the worse side of average.
I consider Bush W to be the average – average.
I consider Carter to be bad, – average
I consider Clinton to be average – good.
But apparently I’m a crazy republican. Go kick some leaves around Stan. You’re an extremist.
FFA, I agree. It is no contest. It used to be close between Jimmy Carter and Obama for which one was the worst. Now, Carter is in his back mirror and Obama is by far the worst. Just today, he wants to normalize relations between the US and the most brutal Communist Dictatorships in the world, the Castro led Cuba. What a joke. I wonder why people have risked their lives to flee from that paradise for the past 50 years.
Jimmy Carter lead to Billy Beer. Not sure if that makes him worse or not, but it closes the gap.
You all mis-read. He said FDR was the worst president ever. You know, the one who steered the country through the great depression and WWII and enacted the New Deal?
Bob, the fact that you consider yourself to be an elite intellectual is just so great. Dude, you’re a nerf brain at best. Tool.
Japanese internment camps,
burned crops to increase the price of food during the recession,
Favored large farm companies for subsidies,
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/tbb-0508-25.pdf
FDR did not guide us out of the depression. He lengthened it.
The government over reach during his presidency was insane.
You are a prime example of indoctrination, at the deepest level.
You do not even know anything about FDR. At all.
The country was in shambles with people starving in the streets. I would say that FDR is arguably the second greatest president behind Lincoln, steering the country through the worst crisis since the Civil war.
Bob, I know I was making fun of you earlier, but to adhere to the “FDR overreached” position is really remarkable. Even by WA standards, you truly are a dipshit.
FDR did not fix this, he lengthened it.
Simply being president for 3 terms didn’t mean you fixed the problems of that time.
Recessions tend to be bounce back up quickly. The great depression is one of the few this didn’t occur.
FDR was not one of the greatest presidents, and specifically attempted to shut down radio stations who didn’t support his agenda.
Also: Can you name, another president, who WHILE PEOPLE WERE STARVING as you just mentioned, destroyed food and crops to increase the cost of food?
Why didn’t he simply create a tax offset for giving away all your extra crops and food to the poor? Or pay them for it? He was not efficient. When you burn crops and destroy food while people are starving, you aren’t helping people.
And what do you have to say about the Japanese internment camps?
If we want to debate FDR without randomly saying it is preposterous to ever infer he might be bad, you might actually research something. You lack research here from refusing to consider he might have been bad.
I dont hate old people, I hate foolish republican sheep who, as a demographic, tend to be older, whiter, and more christian. You could make a similar argument for hating the unemployed / entitled who tend to be younger, educated, and liberal. The difference is that the young people have never owned or controlled anything, so it seems silly to blame them for anything since they have never had the reigns.
Old people on the other hand . . .
Stan, can I recommend a good Psychotherapist for you? Your brain is so screwed up and you are so hateful to experienced businessmen, I doubt you will ever find employment. FFA & I and Sargeant were never handed anything in life and had to work our butt off to get into and build our business. I know that is a foreign concept to you, the entitled. We used our brain, work ethic and energy to get where we are. We didn’t sit around downloading apps on iphones or playing xbox when we needed to find work and start a career. How about using your education to get out and do something instead of complaining about us.
He is much to smart for a shrink….
Agent, thanks for the encouragement. I actually did find a job, but it’s a shitty one (probably working for one of your “back in my day we were smart and hard working!” friends).
And save your sanctimony, you had an expanding economy, cheap housing, affordable education, and surplus housing. That is all gone now due to globalization. The world is different. If it was still easy, you all wouldnt be on here bitching about Obama ruining your life.
Turns out its just hard to make it these days no matter what age.
Stan you wern’t around in the 70’s. This recession is not the first we have lived through.
Stan, had you studied your history for even 5 minutes, you might know that it wasn’t all Peaches & Cream for anyone 30-40 years ago. Lot’s of ups and downs. My first employment after finishing school and the military was in a retail paint store. Now that is hard work, starting early and finishing late. I was most happy when I was recruited into the Insurance Industry. We all started at subsistence level, got promotions, raises, advanced etc. No such thing as starting at the top like you want to do. I lived in a number of apartments until I could qualify for a home loan and then bought a small home. We all had a lot of debt, just a different kind of debt than you do. We were all personally responsible for ourselves and our families. By the way, you should be thankful that someone gave you a job. With your attitude, that is a minor mircacle.
Yes. Not like there was a horrible recession in the 70’s or any hardships for the older generation whatsoever.
You act like life was amazing up until now.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/18/AR2009021801081.html
And you refuse to acknowledge the housing prices are high, because of current democrats finding way to ensure the housing market would not bottom out. They figured there would be more cash in the market if houses were worth more. They were concerned with deflation. deflation is when there is less currency in the market, but it is more valuable, and housing costs go down. They say here:
“The administration estimates that simply by reducing foreclosures, the plan could stop the slide in home prices by as much as $6,000 per property.”
But moreover, housing costs actually did drop during the recession and are still down. So housing costs are actually no longer completely out of control, chances are you can buy more home for your money than you could in the late 80’s.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/mar/13/home-prices-drop-less-half-2006-peak/
You act like their lives were easy. They were not.
And education was not more affordable.
As for surplus housing, if you’re buying a house in a highly populated area, it will cost more. There is literally less land, and more people. This is why it is harder to find surplus land. Not some evil republican ideals.
You also had a strong manufacturing base and no women in the workforce. In other words, you had an expanding economy, a shortage of labor, and affordable goods. And you’re still bitching.
Make up your mind, either times are the same now as they were, in which case you all must suck since you’re making less than you were. Or times are now different due to systemic changes – – changes that are global in nature – – which have made life harder for workers of all ages.
Stan, send us the name of the company you work for and the owners name and we will be glad to tell them how smart you are and we will write a good recommendation for you. Perhaps he will give you a raise and a more prominent role in the business.
Oh I just work for this dipshit rural Texas Agent who is always spouting off about Obama this and Pelosi that. You know the type, talks a big talk but everyone makes fun of him behind his back. No sense telling him the truth, after all, he writes my check and I might as well take his money.
A fool and his cash are soon parted. You know, that sort of thing. Thank you for the kind offer though.
Agent, he is probably “dancing” at the Senior Center. Thats why he thinks he is handsome.
I never said I hate younger unemployed entitled democrats.
Some republicans say this, and apparently you agree.
It doesn’t matter if they have never owned or controlled anything. That’s the meaning of “entitled”. Thinking that because you have never owned or controlled anything that you are ready to. You’re not.
And you just back petaled and said you hate foolish republican sheep, who tend to be older whiter and more Christian.
You hate older whiter Christian people.
They aren’t sheep. They believe differently than you, with quite good backed up facts. You are not special. You are not the only educated person in the world, who is always right and everyone else basically stupid because they don’t agree.
This is unbelievable with you Stan. Your weakness is exactly this. You assume you already know everything and others haven’t looked things up.
back “petaled?” hahah you dipshit, it’s “pedaled” like a bike, not “petal” like a flower. Some intellectual heavyweight you are.
And I am not saying young people should own everything, im saying its foolish to blame them for something when they havent controlled anything. I hope you can see the difference, not many weight lifters can.
I did not say I hate older whiter christian people, I said I hate republicans. There is a difference. Kind of like saying I hate rabid dogs, which tend to be a subset of dogs. That doesnt mean you hate all dogs though.
The one exception is tools, I hate all tools. Especially the lazy ones.
And they are sheep, dummy. Look in the mirror (they have those at the gym you know).
Here I even wrote you a nice little rhyme:
Bahhhhh Bahhhh Bob Sheep,
do you happen to be a tool?
Yes sir yes sir, of shit I sure am full.
Haha, you dip $hit, your mother is a hermaphrodite. I am an intellectual heavy weight. Just a side comment on this: My brother happens to have written a thesis on dark matter, and how to account for the section of space that we are unable to measure, upwards of…10 years ago. Guess how often he typos when talking conceptually? All the time. You mock people for it is the difference. I don’t, other than you, who has a habit of mocking me. If you want to mock grammatically I will crush you. We are going to argue my concepts, not whether I said petal or pedal.
Now you are insulting weight lifters again, calling them stupid. This is a bigotry mind. You would have been racist in the 60’s. This is not an opinion, but rather a fact.
You said you cannot blame them for being unemployed then if I am now understand your phrasing. That is debatable to a degree. But I will give you this one. It is one of the first logical things you have said that works to any degree.
I am not a sheep, and I would screw you up in person for talking this way to me.
I hate to say it like that but I would
NO ONE talks to me like a child who is lead, just because I post facts they don’t agree with. You are free to call me wrong. You are not free to call me a sheep, with a children’s song I used to play for my daughter.
Typical Sheep: goes straight to his big brother for authority!
And more internet tough guy talk. “Screwing me up in person.” Who even says that? I bet youre some fat 13 year old kid on his dad’s computer typing out insults from some Seattle suburb. Go do pushups, Lazy Sheep Bob.
The type who is being harassed says that. You aren’t showing respect.
It does not make you a sheep to quote outside relevant information. It is wisdom. You are incapable of knowing every single aspect of the world independently.
Do you suppose, attorneys never look at the legal codes again after college to reference it?
Do you suppose programmers never look up code from others for help?
Do you suppose programmers who are being sued rely on coding information in their brain to defend themselves?
I only mentioned my brother due to the fact that he wrote a thesis on dark matter. Dark matter, child.
His IQ is 151, he graduated post grad school, that was his thesis. He cannot write for crap.
Literally, he can’t write at all.
My grammar says nothing about my facts. You need to learn that, and I showed you a relevant example, and it does not make me a sheep. You piece of trash.
You will respect me.
Calling me a 13 year old lazy sheep man to get a reaction out of me is not ok.
At all. It shows what trash you are, what an utter weakling, what a worthless depraved lunatic you are that the insults are what you treasure and disrespecting mankind, of which I am a part.
I would love to see you in a sparring match, intellectually or physically.
I havent read your brother’s paper. Can you post a SSRN link to it? Id be curious to know what Dark Matter is.
Also, you are a sheep because you just spout nonsense, talking about weight lifters being racist and sheeps being tools and whatnot. You’re a non-person dude. At least FFA is coherent in his dumbness.
I am coherent. I talked about weight lifting after you insisted on calling me lazy physically, and still insist on doing so. If you don’t want to talk about it, don’t call me lazy. If you stopped calling me a tool, we wouldn’t discuss it. It is your choice to talk about that, not mine.
Moving off of that:
How many people would you say believe FDR is the best president ever? Is it not generally considered that the majority opinion marks an ideal that would be considered a following like sheep?
How many people do you know that don’t agree FDR is the second best president?
It is because they were taught it. In highschool I wasn’t taught about FDR’s policies. I was taught about the new deal, the next new deal, and WWII. Did you even know what I mentioned about japanese internment camps or the food? You don’t know these things, and instead of think about them, you label the very action of questioning FDR and disregard them. How is that not being a sheep?
Regarding my brother’s paper I will consider it. Though this will give you far too much info on who I am for my comfort.
Bob, believe me, I dont even respect you, much less admire you enough to look into who you are. Like everyone else, I dont care about nobodys.
Post that paper bro. I love physics almost as much as I love FDR.
Very classy response, you don’t respect me as a person like most republicans, which is really a pleasant way to be. I’ll ask my brother for the title of the paper.
It is proving difficult to find it without it.
I found the paper, Stan.
Even upwards of ten years ago we had no clue how to account for dark matter.
I am not sure even barring my own reputation that I can give this to you. It is my brother’s work, and he has a dedication to our father in it.
I can tell you he goes over Lya photons, baryonic gas is used for his testing example, and he references warm dark matter.
He’s an unbelievably smart man, and is republican like myself, contrary to your belief that republicans are stupid.
He rather infamously told another physicist who was being a sheep about democrat politics, that something that a politician they favored was stating could be done was bluntly physically impossible. Then he drew up the equations, and told the guy that he needed to think with his head, and not with political allegiances.
You call republicans stupid, and I find it caters to a stereo type that he suffered through graduating post grad.
At one point he was told to apologize for having voted for George W Bush, and was frantically attacked. He was also demeaned for being religious.
I know right? He’s religious AND graduated a renowned physics post grad school? That’s impossible right?
These stereo types you and people like you breed are damaging.
My other brother, also a republican, was a computer sciences major, who recently took some web development classes to just get into a more simple career.
I suppose he is stupid too. Never mind that his IQ was also around 150, and he actually came extremely close to a 4.0 in these web development classes, while working full time, with complete ease. He was docked for a trait all my siblings have:
Their intellect is far beyond their personal skills. In other words: He was asked to do a web development task, and his artistic sense was found to be lacking. He still received an A on it, but he did not get a 100%. I still remember telling me that if it were not for that project he would have a 4.0. Now he’s making $75,000 a year in web development. That is with a new 2 year degree, not his first one. He got that job a few years ago. So the question is as a side comment: Why did you struggle so much? He got back up on his feet with a degree change and a job change.
He just doesn’t know how to do research or get ahead right? He doesn’t know how to look up political information right? He’s just plain dumb! Nevermind that he found out the way out of the crap is to go forward into new areas, he is just dumb.
The brother who did the post grad was Valid Victorian in high school. Clearly, he was dumb. He graduated with I believe it was 3 majors and 4 minors in 3 and a half years. He is literally like Einstein in many ways. For example: His math was not nearly as advanced as his physics, though I always laughed when he would say that since he took multi-variable advanced calculus at a rather young age, and he did just fine in the class (though he hated it).
“At least FFA is coherent in his dumbness.” says the underemployed dumb ass living off him mommy up to his eye balls in debt to the person that owns his house, a lake house two cars while keeping three people employed while supporting 7 people while shelling out over $20K / 4 to keep his parents in the correct facility so end of life can be managed properly.
I guess if Bob was a lazy ass like you, you would respect him.
Bob, if you want the kids respect, maybe you should just start telling him blatant lies 53 + times, cheat on your property tax and excuse millions of criminals.
Man, FFA, for a person with so much and who is so capable, you sure are upset about those silly Dems ruining your life. Perhaps you would like to trade places with me? Id happily vote Republican with all your assets. But without those assets, Ill stick with my govt. handouts.
Make sure you pay your taxes this year. My debt isnt going to relieve itself.
And Bob, your brothers sound very smart. They might even know where Osama was located. Intellectual elite to be sure.
I know where Osama was found.
Libby did not. She said Iran.
Further to the point: Even if I were wrong (which I wasn’t) you have one aspect you believe I was wrong about.
One.
Now you just need to shut up.
Unbelievable.
Also: Mock my brother again, and I will flex a little more of my intellectual muscle to embarrass you. You fail to see that I have humiliated you in these posts. You have not been looking good kid.
Bob you’ve spent more time on here talking about weight lifting than anything else. pretty sure it’s not me who’s been humiliated. Nor have I been the one to humiliate you. You seem like you’ve got a handle on it.
And for the record, Sheep, I wasnt mocking your brother. He’s not on here talking about curls, nor does he appear to be from Texas, so he’s done two things right thus far. Intellectually elite I would say.
Tool.
And if you knew where he was found, why did you say Iraq? Why are you always back “pedal*”ing what you previously said? I am beginning to think that you didnt really mean it when you apologized and said that you loved me earlier . . .
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I think you can find Osama in the White House..
FDR was keenly interested in farm issues and believed that true prosperity would not return until farming was prosperous. Many different programs were directed at farmers. The first 100 days produced the Farm Security Act to raise farm incomes by raising the prices farmers received, which was achieved by reducing total farm output. He did not have crops burned and livestock slaughtered to starve people. What he did do was to lessen the amount of production on the farms so that prices would rise for the farmers. So fewer acres were planted and meat production was lowered for economic reasons – not burning and slaughtering.
Bob – get your shit straight. I said Afghanistan, not Iran. And I was wrong. Big whoop. It’s not the first time and I’m sure it won’t be the last. But at least I’m big enough to admit when I am wrong, unlike all you dumbass Republican hypocrites on here. Now go lift some weights and leave me alone.
Libby,
I haven’t been talking to you have I?
I have left you alone. Regarding your farm commentary, he specifically favored large farms for subsidies. You bought into the pitch, but what he actually did is another story.
He raised the cost of food during a depression in order to create government reliance.
He sold it as believing the farm market had to thrive before the economy did.
And further: Yes. Crops were destroyed.
Stan,
I love how you saying methadology, and calling your grandma a he (typos) doesn’t reflect on your intelligence, but my saying pack petal, will be pounded to the high heavens to show I have no intellect.
You graduated did you not? You follow my concept that I told you: Intellect has nothing to do with typos in a forum.
Moving on:
I just went over LPR’s and Reagan and Obama. You didn’t even debate it.
Instead YOU debated about my curls, and my weight lifting.
YOU keep bringing it up, and when I respond I’m a tool who talks about it?
STOP TALKING ABOUT WEIGHT LIFTING.
Jesus Christ!
Seriously, I don’t want to tell you another time that I go.
Stay on topic!
Bob – me mistaking Afghanistan for Pakistan is no difference than you writing petal vs. pedal. You act like you’re smarter than I am because you said Pakistan instead of Afghanistan, when I think I’m smarter because I know the difference between petal and pedal. One is mistaking the place of an event. The other is fundamental misunderstanding of the English language. I think the latter is a better sign of intelligence than the former. You lose.
Further, “but my saying pack petal, will be pounded to the high heavens to show I have no intellect.”
Similar to you, now three years later, still bringing up the fact that I said Afghanistan instead of Pakistan. You can dish it out, but you sure can’t take it. What a baby.
Libby,
Quite the contrary, he mocked my typing, and he mocked me for my knowledge of where Osama was located.
I actually called us equal Libby. I was saying if Libby can mess up, and you can mess up, so can I.
You really need to back off.
Have you read his posts this time around?
He has been antagonizing me for weeks, constantly bringing up my workout, or saying I’m on ‘roids and cannot comment about politics.
Further Libby:
He brought up my commentary on Iraq. I brought up you only to point out if he was right, you did the same thing.
And apparently your arguments are still valid.
Did I make that comment to discredit you?
No. I put your credit as being credible, and mine as credible as well, assuming he was correct.
This is old, the baby here is you.
Like you always do, I’m going to have to demand an apology.
I actually posted one of your links was funny recently. Though you probably didn’t see it.
1. You brought me into it when you mentioned, AGAIN, about my mistaking Afghanistan for Pakiston. It’s getting really old and annoying.
2. You not only brought up your workout, you have gone on ad nauseum about ever since; posting a 3-page detailed description of your daily routine. Really? Who cares?
3. You are the one that should back off. You are playing right into his hands by being so emotional. This is an anonymous forum and anyone can say anything about themselves. There is no way to prove it. So leave it alone. Nobody cares.
4. You still haven’t answered my question. Are you in the insurance business or not? I’ve never heard you utter one word remotely related to insurance.
It wasn’t your typing he mocked. It was your use of petal instead of pedal. Both similar in sound, but vastly different meanings.
I owe you no apology? For what? Calling you a baby. You have been acting like one. You say if I say a stupid remark you have the right to call me stupid. If you act like a baby, I have the right to call you one. Turnabout is fairplay. Now don’t be a baby about it.
Libby,
1. I mentioned my workout after he called me weak physically and mentally. As a male, when someone calls you weak, you show that you are not.
2. I mentioned you, because HE mentioned my commentary regarding where Osama was found to discredit ME.
The same thing you say is INAPPROPRIATE to be done to you. This was brought up to defend ME NOT attack you. You dumb piece of crap! I am being assaulted to no end, and you are just what, joining in? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Regarding my workout: It is something I am proud of doing, but I have SEVERAL times talked about the LPR, and the method of the 80’s, and INSTEAD OF GET OFF THE WORKOUT TOPIC Stan keeps calling me a wimp with small arms.
WHAT THE HELL LIBBY?
When someone says that, YES you go into your workout routine and call them weak for insulting you on it.
JESUS CHRIST YOU WORTHLESS HUMAN! IS ATTACKING PEOPLE ALL YOU BELIEVE IN??????
I HAVE NUMEROUS TIMES DEFENDED YOU WHEN YOU DESERVED IT YOU PIECE OF CRAP!
APPARENTLY IT IS OK FOR STAN TO DO THE UNACCEPTABLE THINGS FOR YOU RIGHT????
I ONLY BROUGHT THAT UP, AND HIS TYPING MISTAKES, BECAUSE IT IS ALL HE FOCUSES ON IN OUR DEBATES, AS WELL AS CALLING ME WEAK.
HE DOESN’T ARGUE THE POINTS.
LOOK ABOVE, HOW MANY TIMES DID I SAY STAY ON TOPIC, FORGET ABOUT MY WORKOUTS?
HOW MANY LINKS DID I GIVE REGARDING WORKOUTS IN THIS POST? NONE! HOW MANY REGARDING HOUSING VALUES AFFECTED BY DEMOCRATS?
I HAVE WHAT, 5 LINKS HERE?
YOU FREAKING IDIOT!!
I was neither defending Stan nor you; only pointing out that you bring this on yourself, Bob. He is just messing with you because you are so emotional. I was giving you some helpful advice. Instead, you turn around and do to me the EXACT SAME THING you are complaing about being done to you – insult me. And I quote:
“You dumb piece of crap!”
“WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?”
“YOU WORTHLESS HUMAN!”
“YOU PIECE OF CRAP!”
“YOU FREAKING IDIOT!!”
All because I called you a baby. Sure sounds like a temper tantrum to me.
Now. Who owes who an apology here? Uh. That would be you. To me.
But don’t worry. I won’t hold my breath. You have yet to apologize to me for any of your insulting rants or personal attacks, so I don’t expect it to happen now. Somehow you think it’s acceptable for you to act this way and you know what they say. You can’t reason with a baby.
No kidding Robert, why dont you take it down a notch? Try reasoning with facts for once instead of emotional ALL CAPS diatribes? Oh thats right, you cant, because youre the dumbest one tool on here.
SHEEP! lol
“And the exchange website is not for every American”,
The web site don’t work like he says it does. Another lie. He hired a Canadian Company with out the knowledge and expertise to make it work like face book. He hired his wife’s College pal – Cronyism…. He should have hired the face book folks. He didn’t. He opted for a foreign company sending your and my tax dollars over the border.
HHS is so jammed up right now, hold times exceed an hour and they can not deal with more then one applicant/problem in one call.
Back in the good ole days, 4 apps (my production on Friday) would have been wrapped up by noon. Instead, I averaged 2 hours per. I paid a service rep to sit on hold waiting and waiting and waiting…
My mother in law sold her house in Utah from IL over the internet when she was very ill. So to say old people don’t like the internet, well your just jumping to conclusions… we old folks like it when it works right the first time.
Look what the dumercraps in IL wan to sneak through now:
http://www.illinoisherald.com/articles/2014/q4/illinois-takes-over-private-pension-systems/
Shifty eyed. Deviant. Lying Greedy Democrats.
Wow, FFA. Is it any surprise why businesses and citizens are fleeing from Illinois in droves? I wonder when Obama will try this with IRA’s, 401K’s all over the country so he will have more money to waste. He will have to do this with the pen now, because the new House & Senate will not pass this blatant absconding with funds of citizens retirement plans. Is Quinn going to sign this on the way out the door?
The arrogance of these idiots. My Rep Senator is absolutely livid on his face book posts. All democrats… The mis manage the Sate emplyees Pension fund and now they want the private sectors…
Maybe you two should move to California? I hear San Francisco, arguably the most liberal city in the country, is literally booming. You all could even get iPhones and Facebook accounts just like real-life millennials!
Wisconsin Stan. Great Political Environment up there. Friendly to not only big and small business but to the work force too.
Wisconsin is where it’s at? Better than Texas even?
Texas better tax situation, more jobs. Just too far away from the family. Wisconsin Economy is picking up, getting job instead of losing them like IL, Property taxes are half then what is gong on here. No Tax on food. Gas is .10 cheaper as soon as you cross the border.
Aside from all that, one of my carriers approached me and stated they are going to be very aggressive in WI. I haven’t heard “Soft Market” for ten+ years.
Plus, got a union buster in the Gov Mansion…
Maybe we should both move there. I would make a great neighbor.
FFA, you may want to consider close neighbor Indiana. That Mike Pence is doing some great things there with their economy and is following the successful formula used in Texas encouraging business, lowering the tax rate etc. Walker has survived the unions once again and will continue his success unless he runs for President. Both of them use common sense which is sorely lacking with Progressives. By the way, there are not many Progressive governors left now, especially after the latest blood letting in the mid terms.
Housing is dirt cheap there. You can lick up 2000 sq feet on 5+ acres for under $100,000. Hunt the land. Cut your food cost. Got Black Bear, Wolves, Coyotes, Deer, Wild Turkey, fishing is great. I don’t know where you at, but if the job market is dry, then all options need to be explored…
My nephew is agonizing about an out of state job offer. same situation your in. Recent College Grad. Two Degrees. Honor Roll and a huge college debt.
Free Advice from and old fart…. In my opinion, go where the money well is cause it aint gonna come to you. I am moving to a soft market.
You can adjust and adapt or let things just run you over. Just never cut the marketing budget.
Did you tell him to go to Wisconsin or Indiana? My impression of Indiana is that their number one export is college graduates. There is a great hollowing out of the Midwest with young people flocking to greener pastures on the coasts. That is my impression anyway.
Looks like some of your Red tax-cutting, no Govt. states are having problems, FFA. Kansas is having huge problems after Brownback reduced taxes. Their credit rating has gone to pieces, a good education system is falling apart. Kansas has problems because of cutting taxes.
“Two years ago Kansas embarked on a remarkable fiscal experiment: It sharply slashed income taxes without any clear idea of what would replace the lost revenue. Sam Brownback, the governor, proposed the legislation — in percentage terms, the largest tax cut in one year any state has ever enacted — in close consultation with the economist Arthur Laffer. And Mr. Brownback predicted that the cuts would jump-start an economic boom — “Look out, Texas,” he proclaimed.
But Kansas isn’t booming — in fact, its economy is lagging both neighboring states and America as a whole. Meanwhile, the state’s budget has plunged deep into deficit, provoking a Moody’s downgrade of its debt.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/opinion/paul-krugman-charlatans-cranks-and-kansas.html?_r=0
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Does this count as News for you FFA? Or only news that spouts republican nonsense counts for you?
Not so good in SF for Insurance Companies Stan. SF based Fireman’s fund went completely belly up and sold off. They had only been there for about 150 years. Perhaps you should have applied for a position with them and you with your three degrees could have restored them to prominence since you are so smart.
I said I was educated, not smart. Bob is the one claiming to be an intellectual elite. Id say I am of average intelligence, which is to say, 2x as smart as your brightest Texan.
Stan, I hear Hammond Indiana is booming job wise.
I think his offer is an East Coast offer. As far as the Mid West goes, WI is up and coming, MI is starting to rebound with all the rich repub redeveloping the Detroit area and Indiana is grabbing some jobs from IL. IL, not so much. With this pension thing – the state ant to take over private pensions , gonna encourage more jobs to leave. We all know how Govt Intrusion into the private sector plays out…
Hey Stan, might I remind you that the United States of America has had its credit downgraded under Obama’s watch for the first time in the history of the country. Have you ever been to Kansas? I have. This is the state that elected Kathleen Sebelius as governor and she looked the other way when Tiller, the baby killer was doing his thing on late term abortions. Kansas problems is that they don’t have much diversity in their economy. It is primarily agriculture and wheat in particular. On the highway, you can drive 50 miles and only see a windmill on the horizon. I suppose those Agriculture Dept subsidies haven’t done them much good. If incentives to business and tax cuts were so bad, how come Texas has a substantial rainy day fund and no deficits without a state income tax?
Glad to see that you’re all for diversity, Agent.
But youre still wrong. The establishment Republicans are not even for small government or free markets. They are in denial about the unsustainability of Social Security and Medicare, and most want to increase military spending.
And the neocon branch comes from a long line of big government believers and control freaks. They don’t even understand the shock of the Orwellian names they give their legislations and new big government entities like the Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security.
Establishment Republicans are despicable cowards, even the ones that arent from Texas.
“Establishment Republicans are despicable cowards, even the ones that arent from Texas”
And you aspire to be one of them wall street folks.
So Agent, did you hear anything out of Hallas Hall? Cutler – the highest paid QB has been benched in favor of the rookie from ND. Heads gonna roll with that $54Mil Guarantee….
Emery, Trestman…. all gotta go. Bring back Ditka, I say… Reports have Harbaugh going to MI.
I haven’t heard anything about the Cutler situation, but I bet it will be all over ESPN, NFL Network and others. Looks like the GM all the way down through the coaches will be seeking new employment when the year is over.
We have a number of teams with 2 or 3 wins this year and the musical chairs will be played out in the off season. If I remember right, Lovie was let go and he actually had a winning season.
Bill Cowher would be awesome on the side lines next year.
Cowher may be good, but he has been on the sidelines for a while now and he is in the category of “retreads” now and not many of those guys do well if they come back to coaching. Many are surprised Jimmy Johnson didn’t come back to coaching after he left the Jones, but he seems to be very happy doing pregame for Fox.
Throw him Cutler money… I’l bet he come back.
I think several teams talked to Johnson for the first 5 years after he left the Cowboys and I am sure the offers were generous, but he decided he was through with the meat grinder of coaching and liked TV better. He also does not beat down coaches, but gives good info on players, strategies of the games etc.
Story first broke on ESPN. It was actually the lead story on news last night…. More important then what OBama is up to with Cuba. Gonna be interesting to see this play out. GM has tanked the quality of the players, don’t nothing to keep our D competitive…
Well, I took the wife to a movie last night so I didn’t see it since we got in late. Have you seen “Interstellar” yet? Pretty good movie if you like Sci Fi. It is a bit long, about 3 hours, but it kept the interest.
My wife want to go see Annie…. Me, I much prefer the Sci Fi.. Gonna take the kids to see Elf on Tuesday. I don’t get much of what I want. That’s life.
FFA, I saw some reviews on this new Black Annie and they were not good. I am not a racist either.
Didn’t even know there was a black Annie… I work my 8 – 10 hours a day, go home, sometimes have to cook dinner depending on how my wife is that day and then do home work. Then clean up after dinner. When my wife does cook, its a bonus. Although she has been getting better and better now that she is over what ever it was that kept her down for over two weeks. My day end about 09:00 instead of after ten. Not much me time in my world.
Yes, the new version of Annie has black characters. The reviews were almost as bad as the most recent version of Peter Pan they showed on TV. My wife has liked all the other versions in the past and wanted me to TEVO it so she could watch it on her own. She got through about 30 minutes and deleted it. Christopher Walken as Captain Hook did not make it with the viewers and the woman playing Peter Pan was much too tall and gangly and the wire stunts badly done.
FFA, did you see the insurance news that Progressive is going to sell Homeowners through their acquired company ASI Lloyds? They are going to call their policy “Flomowners”. She can start her pitch by telling the consumer to pick their price.
That’s funny stuff….
I saw a post on FB today of a man says Ladies, Unless I am wearing a diaper, don’t think you can change me.
FFA, I have seen many a bad marriage end in divorce when the woman thought she could change a full grown man. Of course, Stan is a mental midget with a maturity level of about 8, so he has a way to go to become a man and accept Personal Responsibility for his life and actions.
Yep… The only time people change is when they want to, not because someone else wants them to.
FFA, Progressives spoke of Hope & Change in 08. Changing to their mantra did not work out so well for the country. Change for sake of change is often a lie as has been well documented. Lying to the people is about as bad as it gets.
The DOW is up over 400 pts today and gas prices are at a 10 year low. The only people who are suffering are the young people and they deserve it since they are all lazy anyway. Obama is killing it as president.
What dont you like, the peace or the prosperity? You’re welcome Agent.
For someone that despises the Wall Street type, you do pay a lot of attention to it.
Well yeah, what little money I do have to set aside I try to invest. Just because the ladder to the one percent is perilous doesnt mean that I dont want to climb it all the same. Don’t you want to be wealthier?
I have taken the advice of my Grand Pa… I stay away. I’ll make my own way – not on the back of others.
That is admirable, yet you vote for a party that protects that ruling class with kid gloves. Why dont you encourage policies that make them earn their own way too, instead of protecting capital gains with favorable tax treatment? Shouldnt they labor just as hard as you? Or are they somehow privileged and better than you?
I vote for the best man for the job regardless of party…
Its a free country. They you and I can go about our lives as we see fit.
So, you can keep hating what you want to be. I’ll keep working… Making my money on my efforts.
That is not even close to what I asked you. I asked you if those wallstreet types should get favorable treatment over you, as they currently do via the tax code.
Stan, everyone makes their own choices. I don’t think the Bears should have paid Cutler the money they did. They signed the contract and I think they should have to live up to it. I did what right for. me. They do whats right for them. You do whats right for you.
In other words, if they are making their money according to the Law, all the power to them. Have at it. You want the reward, you take the risk.
BTW Stan, I do think the tax code needs work. If you don’t pay anything, you should not get a refund. The current code just encourages low life ness.
What you just said blows me away. Youre worried about the people with the least not paying enough, but those with the absolute most are just fine because it’s within the law?
That is insanity man. You realize that economically you have much more in common with me – – a literal nobody – – than you do with these wallstreet types, right? The fact that you pay ~50% of your earnings to the govt, whereas an iBanker pays ~20% because his $ is classified as capital gains should cause you to riot in the streets. And yet your mad about some single mom making minimum wage not paying enough.
Sinful.
Where did I reference a single mom?
What I said was if you don’t pay in, you should not get a refund. I am speaking old school – meaning exactly what I am saying. Not some new fangled Obama speak.
In other words, you should not get back more then you pay. Again, old school English, not Obama speak.
Along the lines of your reasoning, I should just be able to keep writing checks even if I don’t have money in the account and then the Govt should just cover me.
I don’t hate the Wall Street / bankers like you do. I don’t put them on a pedestal. I don’t want to see then Tar and Feathered. They take the risk. They get the reward.
FFA – I could be wrong, but I don’t think you get a refund if you didn’t pay anything in. The people that “don’t pay anything” only get back what they paid in, making it a net zero on their part. People that don’t work don’t file.
Yes you do Libby. Personal experience on that one.
You’re also wrong about govt. programs making people lazy.
“Contrary to what Speaker John Boehner (Ohio) says, there’s no evidence that unemployment benefits reduce work ethic.”
http://theweek.com/article/index/273820/sorry-gop-tax-cuts-dont-pay-for-themselves
From the same article:
“In fact, targeted transfers to the poor and middle class would likely give a stronger immediate jolt to the economy than would tax cuts for the wealthy. Compared to the wealthy, the poor spend a much higher share of each additional dollar of disposable income that they receive, providing greater stimulus to the economy. Policy measures that alleviate inequality are thus a boon for economic growth.”
Well Dorothy (Stan), move (or don’t move there)… If your three degrees ant get you to that conclusion, you should demand a refund on you tuition.
Hammond Indiana would be great fit for an unemployed lawyer.
I am not saying anyone should move there, Im saying that its proof positive that republican policies don’t work for the vast majority of constituents.
I am sure there are honest hard working Muslims that don’t want to blow up Opras studio too.
How the Dem policies work out for IL? I am sure you can go out and find successful Dem & Rep polices as well as failed Dem / Rep policies. So don’t bother.
Don’t forget, I speak old school/ So if your trying to make a point, I don’t understand Obama.
So how should I speak to you, in terms of prohibition? slavery? homophobia? How far back in the past are you living?
Flower Power Man… The sixties. When Affordable meant that we can actually afford to pay the bill, not when the definition changed to mean more expensive.
When Max Out Pocket meant once you spent that amount on medical care, you didn’t have any more expense. Not when that definition changed to there is no out of pocket limit. I have a Webster Dictionary dated 1923. That’s good for me.
For every study you quote showing one side of the story (naively believing it). Your study you posted is one data table showing tax cuts for the rich don’t help. One.
I can give you ten, that show you’re wrong on the tax cuts for the rich.
One of the best ones here, would be comparing FDR’s top rate to Clinton’s. Which president had better middle class income growth? Top rate of 39.6, or 90-95%?
Which one has lower unemployment rates?
Which one had more of the population working?
You are stating that he is wrong when he’s not, then are trying to say what else won’t you listen to.
You yourself aren’t listening to anything. It is your preemptive thoughts on the matter that are holding you back. Preconceived notions common for your age group I might add….Which could it be…Makes you a sheep?
Bob – comparing FDR’s tax rates in the height of the Great Depression and Clinton’s during an unprecedented period of prosperity is ludicrous. Times change. Situations change. Solutions have to change to fit the time and situation. Ones solution does not fit all. I would have thought an intellectual elitist, such as yourself, would have realized that.
Libby, Bob here isnt a serious debater. He’s just repeating what he heard his other gym buddies say. JK, Bob doesnt go to the gym. He’s a tool.
It is comparable, and you are wrong. Times do change. If the economy was doing poorly from the lower tax rates, we would see it with these lower rates.
I love how the best middle income growth occurring during lower tax rates says nothing about the lower tax rates,
But the slightly higher tax revenues between Clinton and Bush W is the reason behind record surpluses and record deficits, that will now continue forever, apparently.
Further to the point:
Just saying that times are different is not an argument.
Post facts.
Post data.
I told him I could find many studies, and only gave one item that seems to show he is wrong.
Further Stan:
When I point that out, it does not mean I have a lack of knowledge.
The way you debate is completely unethical, and makes you a horrible human being.
You just screamed at Libby and I am the horrible human being? You cant even control your emotions or your dictation, what makes you think you can handle complex fiscal policy?
I just gave you two articles outlining the damage done by republican tax policies, one written by a nobel laureate. And you bring up FDR. Real persuasive, Bobby.
Go do a pushup. If you even can.
I don’t have to provide facts or statistics to prove something that is common sense. If things worked so well, they would never change. But they do change, because the world changes. We can’t live today like we did in the 1930’s anymore than we can like we did in 1990. Just because you say it’s comparable doesn’t make it so.
And, I’ve said it before, Bob. I’m not here to “debate” you. I have my own opinions and observations that I am free to express on this forum. I do not need to prove, justify or verify them to you.
Libby is right, there is nothing here to even debate Bobby. You just spout nonsense about internment camps, wikipedia links, seeing sound, methodologies, dark matter, being a tool and a sheep, and back “petaling.”
Just let the grownups and Agent talk for once. You’re only hurting yourself. Deep breaths, Sheep.
Further to add Libby:
I have only, ONLY brought up where Osama was found when we debated matters of the Iraq war, in which I said that it is relevant that if you don’t know where Osama was found, you don’t know where he was before he was found, or the intel on that end.
This is when we debated why Bush W went to war with Iraq and I said the WMD’s was not the sole or even a major reason behind it. I stated that Osama was in Iraq at the time and Saddam refused to let us inspect.
When I told you that you didn’t even know where Osama was when he died, and brought it up later on, it was specifically when we debated Iraq.
Not randomly thrown in to discredit all your facts, like Stan is doing now.
Stan,
I have every right to be angry with her. And I didn’t “scream”.
Apparently you are equally stupid in this area.
I gave you a multitude of links that you disregarded in regards to the cost of homes, which is relevant to you saying the older generation had a lower cost of home ownership. You didn’t direct it.
I have no desire to give you links on this one, my point was solely that just as many people state taxes for the rich are bad as they do that they are good. You chose one link, and went with it, because you wanted to believe it. You didn’t go over the methodology.
You are delusional. I have been posting facts, and you can’t get over the workout, again you defaulted to sticking to workouts.
Debate the topic, which you stated as a fact:
Home ownership was less costly during Agent’s time period, and show why those costs are up due to republicans.
According to the link I gave you, which is what the democrats wanted to do,
Housing costs were raised by an average of $6,000 per home. This is inflating housing costs, which you don’t like, and democrats did it.
Do you want the topic, or not?
Apparently you just ignored it.
Libby,
If you’re here trying to convince people you are correct?
Yes. You have to prove you are correct, child.
And, you have to acknowledge that people will say you are wrong, child, without talking like Stan.
Stan, leave arguing to the adults. It is clear you don’t know how.
Bob, glad to hear that you finally came to your senses. For awhile, I was worried you had blown a gasket with your CAP temper tantrum over Libby getting the best of you. It’s nice to finally welcome another Democrat to the board. Good luck though, some of the posters are real idiots (one guy has the same username as you do “bob” . . . look out, he’s a real piece of work. as dumb as he is lazy).
“I have only, ONLY brought up where Osama was found when we debated matters of the Iraq war, in which I said that it is relevant that if you don’t know where Osama was found, you don’t know where he was before he was found, or the intel on that end.” What does where he was ultimately found have to do with where he was?
Al Quada was in Iraz after 9/11, but there is no evidence bin Laden was there. We have tons of evidence he was, however, in Afghanistan. Bin Laden being, or not being in Iraq, had nothing to do with our invasion of that country. This is something new you are spouting and it’s just not true.
You bring up my mistaking Afghanistan for Pakistan constantly. Not just when you are speaking about the Iraq war. You do it to discredit me. Don’t try to back pedal now and say otherwise.
And you were yelling at me. That’s what ALL CAPS is. I am not on here to PROVE I am right. I am right. And you are a baby.
“Debate the topic, which you stated as a fact:
Home ownership was less costly during Agent’s time period, and show why those costs are up due to republicans.”
I will debate the topic. Wages in 1960 averaged $5,315 and a home cost $12,700 versus wages in 2012 were $44,312 and average home price was $289,500. You do the math. It costs more. PERIOD.
How did I get cut out of this??? No comments on my 1923 Dictionary?
:-)
Have a good week end….
It is interesting FFA how liberals think. No wonder the country is so screwed up particularly in the last 6 years. They compare my debt when I was a young man to today’s world. Believe me that my debt was just as heavy back then as anyone in the world of today. We didn’t make much money back when I bought my first home. We lived paycheck to paycheck and had to watch our budget like a hawk to make ends meet. My wife was a stay at home mom looking after two young daughters so my income was it and no money for toys like so many of young people of today have to have to live. By the way, back then, we all paid income tax and didn’t expect half the population to support us. I would call that Personal Responsibility and the will to succeed.
Agent if you dont think that the cost of housing, healthcare, and education have far outstripped inflation over the last 30 years, well that might just be the dumbest thing i’ve read on here all day. That that is considering Bob’s all-cap ‘roid rant.
See you all bright and early Monday morning.
Yes. Agent. I don’t like how things have changed in the past 6 years. I sit on a fence about Iraq. If we were not there, would they be over here? They were plotting to blow up Oprahs studio a few weeks back. Her little studio??? They were after the Sears Tower too in that same plot.
Stan thinks he know all about this health care crap when he has not had a minute of anything to do with it. I guess Text Books and a Govt that lies is more credible then people that actually are working within the system… and getting screwed by it.
Years past, I would get a one page document regarding health renewal. Last week, 11 pages to me and to my wife. 1 page up to 22… And Stan thinks that’s better…
I will give Obama a little kudos… Gas in my neck of the woods was 2.01 in a town down the road this AM. There was a murder not far from there this am, so maybe they lowered prices to lure people back…
Agent – Evidently you’re not much of an economics buff if you can’t figure out that $5,315 in salary is a little less than half of a home costing $12,700 and a house costing $289,500 is over 5 TIMES an annual salary of $44,312. I don’t even know how you can argue with those numbers and keep a straight face.
Il is so messed up that I have to pay a Franchise Fee even though I am not a franchise…
If you’re not a franchisee, who do you pay a franchise fee to?
Because IL says I have to.
You pay a fee to the state?
Yes, I do. Il Domestic / Foreign Report. They also want $75.00 to change the address on my Business License.
$75.00 to report no change on the corporation and $25.00 for a franchise fee.
Did you catch they are trying to pass a law to take over private pensions from companies over 20 employees?
Hitting the news last night, Quinn is calling a special session at a cost of over $50,000 to the tax payer to pass a measure for an appointment for Judy Bar Topinka – she was elected as comptroller and then passed on last week – or do a special election to the tune of over half a mill. We got less then two weeks left on the expiring term and that’s what that idiot want to do all while under a fed investigation.
Actually Libby, I am an economics buff since I have a degree in it and you have not. What makes you think I bought a house for $12,700 on a salary of $5,315? I don’t go back that far. That is post WW2. Try getting your mind in the game. The point I made was the debt I faced was just as difficult to manage as the inflated values and salaries of today. Tell me, how did all those people qualify for sub prime loans they couldn’t pay for in today’s economy and face foreclosure? There were much fewer foreclosures when I was young because people actually had jobs to pay their mortgages. Everytime I bought a house, I moved up to something larger and nicer because my income kept rising. Poor Stan will never know the joy and pride of home ownership because he will never qualify because of poor work performance, no job or some low paying job.
FFA, regarding your comment on how things have changed in the past 6 years, the fact is that the USA has less respect in the world than at any time in my adult lifetime. Other countries think they can bully the US on anything. Most recent is the tin dictator in North Korea and the Sony issue. What action has Obama taken to rein him in other than to condemn the action? 0! Making nice with the brutal dictatorship in Cuba makes no sense.
We have a President now who rules through Executive Order aka Memoranda’s. It will be necessary for the new Congress to defund much of what he is trying to do and keep him in court to challenge his Progressive Socialist policies and force him to veto bills which will make him more unpopular than he is already. If they aren’t going to impeach him, at least make him a very lame duck who gets to play a lot of golf in the next two years.
Agent, you’re a ninny. The reason everyone hates America is because YOUR texas-two-step idiot president bush involved us in two foreign entanglements, one of which was based on false pretenses, costing over a trillion dollars and tens of thousands of american lives. literally the biggest catastrophe possible.
Thanks again, Texas.
Hi Libby. Reports are that J Geils stole the show. Then Bob Segar came on and took it right back… People I know that went (I didn’t get there)are talking about gong to see him in another town. That good.
I really wanted to go see him in Pittsburg, but the show is on a Tuesday night and I’d have to take a day off and hotel room. It would be really costly right after Christmas and vacation.
Just got back from 70th Anniversary of the Battle of the Bulge with my 93 year-old father-in-law. It was totally incredible. He met the King and Queen, was treated like a total rock star, and we all had VIP treatment the entire time we were there. It’s something I’ll remember for the rest of my life.
Good for you Libby. The Battle of the Bulge was the death knell of Germany and George Patton saved the day for the Allies. If you haven’t done so, I recommend you read “Killing Patton”. It is fascinating reading about the man and a fair amount of it about the Battle of the Bulge and the aftermath. By the way, which King and Queen are you talking about? England only has Queen Elizabeth and Phillip is not a king.
The Battle of the Bulge was fought in Bastogne, Belgium. I was talking about the King and Queen of Belgium.
Thanks for the clarification Libby. It was interesting in reading about Patton and his adventures during that time. He was pretty aggressive in mounting his attack against the Germans. He took it upon himself to cross the Rhein and did it. Then, he got orders from Eisenhower not to cross the Rhein. He replied to Ike, I am here, what do you want me to do, give it back?
I heard about that book, Agent, and plan to put it on my “to do” list.
Sounds like a great experience…. I am sure your fr In Law was more then thrilled.
I’m sure he’s still grinning!
Off subject FFA. How bout those Cowboys kicking Indy’s butt all over the field and winning the NFC East to boot. Of course, they were helped by the Eagles losing to a three win Washington team and them losing their last 3 games. I got to see some of the Bears/Lions game. The Bears did not mail it in and fought hard, but in the end did not have what it took. It will be interesting to see what they do with Cutler in the off season. Think there is a good market for him with his performance?
We had our top receiver drop 7 passes that hit him in the hands. Something more then meets the eye when that happens.
I dont think there will be much of a market for Jay. Maybe Luvie wants him back but not with that contract. See what happens March 3rd… They cut him, it saves $10Mil.
FFA, the Bears screwed themselves with the $54 million signing bonus on Cutler which counts against the cap. I suppose cutting him would save in the next few years if they don’t have to pay him more. He looked pretty forlorn standing on the sidelines watching the action. It did appear to me that the offensive line blocked better for Clausen than they did for him, but I could be wrong. Time for a new direction in Chicago and all of management should join the unemployment line.
Anyways…. Your Cowboys certainly did a number on the Colts yesterday.. Skewed the heck out of the Fantasy Board.
Well, we don’t know how the playoffs will go and who will have to travel where in the wild card games. I think the cold weather teams have an advantage since they are used to it. You may not remember, but the famous ice bowl in Green Bay was not a pretty picture with the field completely frozen and about 0 temperature. I know technology in uniforms is better, insulated for better protection and now they have heated benches, special gloves and heaters blowing on the sidelines, but it is still hard to play in the frozen tundra. The reward is to play in a domed stadium in Arizona in the Super Bowl.
Here you go, Bob. Tax cuts for the rich help no one except for, get this, the rich.
http://theweek.com/article/index/273820/sorry-gop-tax-cuts-dont-pay-for-themselves
“[T]here’s no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue,” McConnell contends, in spite of overwhelming evidence that these cuts diminished revenue at historic rates.”
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/bush-tax-cuts/revenue.cfm
Stan, per the Gentleman’s Guide:
Being a male is a matter of birth, being a man is a matter of age, being a gentleman is a matter of choice.
He just needs to grow up. You know, take some personal responsibility.
FFA, I suppose we can cut him some slack. He was brainwashed for 8 years getting those three degrees from all those liberal professors so he doesn’t know anything about business, how it works or how the economy works best. It is pure ideology and we have seen how that works with this President.
He has not had enough time in this world to learn what Blind Faith in the Govt gets you.
He jumps into this forum when he don’t work in the industry and thinks he knows it all.
Agent, serious question, if you had your pick of Republicans for the White House, who would it be?
Stan, are you trying to bait me into naming someone so you can get as much dirt from your leftist websites you can and publish it on this forum? I think I will pass on that question. I will wait to see who emerges from a considerable pack who makes the most sense and has the ability to beat a Hillary or Elizabeth Warren.
Classic Republican, all for something except for specifics. Here you bitch all day long about Democrats, but asked to take a stand and pick who represents your policies and views, and you decline. You’re such a coward.
Ill throw a name out there…. Scott Walker.
Here is another name …. Mike Ditka.
Love Ditka. Walker is a choice in line with your politics. Not my choice, obviously, but I can see the appeal to the Right.
My policies… Balanced Budget. Nothing Criminal. Knows how important Small Business is to the Economy.
Ditka… Hard Nose. Take no crap. Imagine this if you will… N Korea pulling this crap with him in charge… Maybe the Russians would take note of us again.
Both get results.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves . . . Ditka is a football coach. Probably not who we realistically want to have answering the red phone.
Stan, FFA and I would much rather have Ditka answering the phone at 3:00 AM than your Community Organizer who thought it more important to go fundraising than deal with Benghazi in the situation room. Hillary also didn’t distinguish herself either on that same situation. Both then put out the big lie on the video instead of owning up to their incompetence. Tragic for the country.
Correction Stan…. Football Commentator. Also, Small Business Man. Ever get to Chi Town, go eat at his restaurant.
His coaching days are long gone.
Your woman Democrat you would back, she has already came out and said no way.
Personally think Hillary would be insane to give it a go. Just my thoughts.
Classic Progressive Democratic response Stan. You should go after Ron on his choices. As a Progressive Independent, he waits until the day before an election to make his choice known. By the way, I can bitch all I want about Democrats since they have been in office and responsible for the mess the country is in currently. When the Republicans take office in January, feel free to bitch about what they are doing that doesn’t suit your political taste. I will also criticize them if they don’t do what they said they would. The mid terms were a start, but actions speak louder than words.
Great, so why dont you take an action and name who represents your views? Oh thats right. Youre too corwardly to even take a stand on an anonymous insurance forum with literally zero repercussions. Yet you want to pick who leads the nation? Give me a break old man. And for the record, who gives a shit what Ron does? Im glad to see that youre basing your behavior off someone you’ve never met.
You’re above response was 100 words of nothing, Agent. You are ruining this country and you have the nerve to bitch about others. You’re lucky the young people arent like you because if they had the vitriol that flows in your veins, they would be coming for you with pitchforks.
Be more of a shill. You cant.
I’m with FFA Stan. Let Ditka have it. Walker is fine as well. He actually makes sense when he speaks and his actions speaks volumes. Those Progressives thought they could knock him out twice. Unfortunately for them, he has sticking power and the folks recognized that. Any Republican governor would be fine for the job, but leftists, not so much.
You are such a baby, Agent. And whats worse, you’re not even an original baby! You copied FFA’s response only after I didnt shit all over it. And for you to say “any republican governor is fine for the job” is lunacy. Jindal of LA is a good example, that man is a bonafide charlatan. Cruz is the same way (although he’s a senator from the worst state in the union, but whatevs).
It must kill you to be such a coward all the time. Even the libs are braver than you are.
Stan he has a JOB. Debating you is low on my priority list. I am sure it is on his. Just to let you know, just got another email spelling out how HealthCare.Gov is not working properly…. Again…
Before you start bashing on me, I wrote another $10,000 premium that does entitle me to a paycheck. How About you? Throw some cash at your friends on wall street?
Young troll, a while back I recommended a good psychiatrist for your affliction. I see you didn’t follow my advice. Let me give you my list of who I would not follow under any circumstance. 1. Hillary 2. Elizabeth Warren 3. Charlie Rangel 4. John Kerry 5. Chuck Schumer 6. Diane Feinstein 7. Nancy Pelosi 8. Harry Reid 9. Barbara Boxer 10. Patti Murray 11. Rahm Emanuel 12. Quinn 13. Sheila Jackson Lee 14. Al Gore 15. Al Sharpton 16. Jesse Jackson 17. Al Franken 18. Jeb Bush 19. Chris Christie 20. Any other Progressive or RINO. I realize this is only a partial list since there are more. Publish your list and I can comment on your choices.
Personally, I’d pick Liz Warren if I had my choice of Democratic president. Now you go, or can you only throw stones? Id love to hear a single substantive policy change other than democrats = bad.
And save the lecture, FFA. We all waste too much time here on the IJ, not just Agent.
Elizabeth Warren makes Hillary look Conservative, but that is how you think so we will forgive you for being naïve.
Allow me to add several more that I wouldn’t support for anything including dog catcher in Minneapolis.
1. Terry McAulife -Va 2. Jerry Brown- Ca 3. John Hickenlooper – Col 4. Dannel Malloy- Ct 5. Jack Markel- Del 6. Martin O’Malley- Md 7. Deval Patrick- Ma 8. Jay Nixon- Mo 9. Andrew Cuomo- NY 10. John Kitzhaber- Or 11. Jay Inslee- Wa 12. Anthony Wiener, the peter tweeter- NY. I can add more if you like.
Stan, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you. I hope you come back next year with a new attitude.
That may be the first thing you have ever said that I agree with. Common Ground….
FFA, switching subjects and hoping Stan will go away, did you see the Broncos/Bengals game last night? That was a competitive game and the Bengals came to play and intercepted Manning 4 times. They also sacked him several times. The offensive line looked a lot like the Bears offensive line. Manning is fine as long as the line gives him good protection, but he is very vulnerable when they don’t since he can’t scramble like many of the younger quarterbacks do. I don’t like their chances when they have to go to New England assuming they get that far.
I caught the first half. It was looking to be a good game. Had a kid thing to deal with till very late at night. Broncos in NE, not liking their chance. I am sure Bellicheck was paying attention, gonna take their “blue Print” and use it. Manning was never a good one to scramble.
I still can believe the way Indy got blown out on Sunday… Dallas just crushed them.
That was probably the best game Dallas has played since the glory days of Aikman, Irvin and Smith. You know it is a blowout when the other team takes their starting quarterback out of the game in the third quarter with a rating of 40. I just hope they don’t start reading their press clippings and slip up against Washington Sunday.
FFA, I know you are raising kids now. Tell me, how do they like those Michelle Obama lunches in school? I was visiting some of my grandkids last weekend and asked them about it. They made some ugly faces at the mention of it and told me how horrible they were. They take their lunches so they will have something they like and it is nutritious.
Its hit or miss. They look at the menu for the next day and figure out if they are brown bagging it.
My Gr Daughter is a strange one. Took her to visit my dad in hospital. Went to cafeteria and told her she could have anything she wanted. She came to register with raw coli flour. No Ice Cream. No Pudding. No Sandwich. Raw vegies… So, 1 for. three sometimes for sometimes against.
Its been a difficult time for the boys. Some of the things coming out just turn my stomach. Day by day. Getting better. The ten yr old is taking things the hardest. He has been very depressed. Today was a good day for him. Took him in office for a while. Up till noon Chicago time, he hasn’t cried once. Misbehaved once. Nor has he swore. Hoping today turns a corner for him. Some of the things coming out are just sickening. Just want to take my daughter and kick her ass stupid. At least till she is brain dead so she cant do more damage.
FFA, all those taxpayer funds to schools to serve garbage that the kids won’t eat. There is a big waste issue with this school lunch program. Kids just aren’t going to eat it and then they are hungry later.
Kids are like adults. If they don’t like it, they wont eat it. Just cause Michelle says so…. Not gonna happen. Try getting a kid to walk away from a tv show they like to do their home work…
Yes, what a waste…. Arrogance.
FFA, before I forget it, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you, your agency and your family. I know 2014 has been a rough year for you and we all look forward to a better year. We got an early Christmas gift when we voted out of office dozens of Progressives in the mid terms. 2015 should be an active year to restore the country. Progressives are now on defense and they have nothing to offer so they will continue to spew their wrath, but this country has tried their way and it is an abysmal failure and it is time for common sense solutions to the country’s problems.
FFA, I saw a good quote today which applies to all of us.
If there are no ups and downs in your life, it means that you are dead.
Another one that is good.
Three simple rules in Life:
1. If you do not go after what you want, you will never have it.
2. If you do not ask, the answer will always be no.
3. If you do not step forward, you will always be in the same place.
Stan should use these rules in his life.
FFA, I am going to reveal to you seven words of truth.
These words will give you a new understanding of issues that most people have contemplated at one time or another.
If these words were spoken years ago, we would have entirely different influences in music, movies, and language.
If these words were spoken years ago, we would have a much smaller national debt.
If these words were spoken years ago, we would have all of our great cities prospering.
If these words were spoken years ago, we would have far less violence and have far less need for gun control.
Ready?
WE SHOULD HAVE PICKED OUR OWN COTTON!
FFA, how bout them Cowboys? 12-4 and momentum on their side. They get Detroit at home next Sunday. I hope Detroit plays the same way as they did against the Packers. That lineman “Suh” should get suspended for stepping on the QB’s foot twice on the same play. He is a nasty one.
For the Bears, all those coaches are gone. How about bringing Rex Ryan in and he can get his brother to run the defense? They could not do worse than Trestman and his coaches did this year.
Detroit is tough. Don’t know how they will be without Suh. He has been dirty since day one. They have another dirty on that put a dirty hit in Claussen two weeks back. Forced Cutler back into action last week.
Suh also had a suspend able offense against the Bears last year so its not his first go around. This suspension should be longer. Knuckle head just hurting his FA value.
Not sure I want either Ryan on the side lines. NO D was horrible this year and he did nothing special in Dallas.
I sent the Bears my Resume. I cant do any worse, but Ill do it for a lot less pay. My Play Calling – “Go out and get open”…
Mike Shannahan would be a nice addition… I am a firm believer if they threw a ton of money at Cowher, he would come out of the booth.
Did you hear Virginia McCaskeys Take on the Bears??? “I’m Pissed”. Ted Phillips needs to go too. He is the one that had to sign off on Cutlers Deal. He should feel the pain.
Yes FFA, that Suh is a piece of work and needs to be tested for Roid rage. You are right about him being caught before kicking and stomping on players. If I were the NFL, I would lighten his wallet a lot and the Lions should do the same. Let the suspension last well into next year.
It looks like a bunch of coaches are going to be on the unemployment line. Most are retreads. Why hire a coach that has just failed or has failed a couple of times? Also, just because a coach has had success as a coordinator does not translate into success as a head coach. A good example is Norv Turner who never did much as head coach of the Chargers and he wore his welcome out. Great college coaches also do not transition that well into the pros. Look what happened to Steve Spurrier and the Redskins. After a few dismal years, back to the college ranks with SC. Whoever ends up getting the Chicago job will have his hands full and limited in what can be spent due to Cap issues on the Cutler contract.
With this not being his first dirty hit, I am surprised he is only suspended for one game.
At some point, the NFL has got to start hitting the owners. Any team would love to have him as he is one of he best D Lineman in the NFL, but I cant see much difference in the end result of what he did vs what Ray Rice did. Both of them dirt. Ray, maybe a one time shot, but Suh has proven over and over he is dirty.
FFA, I can’t remember the lineman’s name, but he played for the Redskins & Titans a few years back. They played Dallas and the Cowboys center was a guy named Gurode. After one play, this dude had Gurode on the ground and stomped on his face with his cleats. Cut up Gurode’s face and the guy got ejected. Another case of Roid rage. I wonder how many times these guys get tested during the year. I also wonder how many games these players cost their team with unnecessary penalties at the worst possible time.
I remember that. Made the Low Lites…
Well FFA, looks like Suh gets to play after all. He appealed and got re-instated and only has to pay a $70,000 fine. How bad does a foul have to be to get suspended these days? If it was a case where he was blocked into Rogers and fell on him, that is part of the game, but when a player is upright, just steps on the foot and then does it again for good measure, he should be out of there. It hasn’t been a good year for the NFL considering the Rice case and Peterson and now Suh. Perhaps the Commissioner needs to go if he can let this kind of incident go with only a fine.
That guy has been referred to as the dirtiest player in the league and he gets a slap on the wrist. rice throws one punch and gets tossed out. This guy should be gone at least one game.
FFA, how did you like the bowl games? The vaunted SEC didn’t come out so well. Some actually got blown out. I was sure glad that thug QB with Florida State got his head handed to him. Mareota is so much better than him, it is not funny. Fla State has been living on the edge all year and when they ran into a truly great team, they were blown out. Also glad Alabama got beat. All the announcers have already given the game to them, but Ohio State didn’t get the memo and Urban Meyer really had them ready to play. Saban has had his success, time for someone else to ascend to the thrown. I just hope it is a good game.
Didn’t catch mush of the games yesterday. Had a Kids Day. Spent a good part of it hiking around the woods with my 4 gr children and a few of their friends. All excited about deer tracks, coon tracks, coyotes & fox. I lived the reasons why people have children in their twenties and not their fifties.
Sounds to me like you probably slept good that night. They will get you in shape. I have seen guys that got divorced and remarried younger women and started a second family. I don’t know how they do it. Once was enough for me.
Well, the Detroit game was tough all the way. I got a little nauseous after they scored two touchdowns early, but Dallas finally got their act together and played well in the second half. Detroit lived up to their reputation as being one of the dirtiest teams in the league. When you go for the head on a tackle, there should be no place in the league for you.
It was a typical Detroit finish. Had them on the ropes but just could not finish… That pass interference call was a home town call all the way through. Your Defender ran right through the receiver…
Was good to see room kept his witts about him, that’s for sure… Could he be MVP?
FFA, why is it when the league has a cream of the crop crew working the playoffs, they miss several calls? They missed several on both sides. Why wasn’t the linebacker for Detroit ejected from the game for trying to take Cole Beasley’s head off on one play. I don’t know how Beasley got up from that hit. He is a tough little dude and the Dallas version of Welker.
I do think Romo has matured and doesn’t make the bad interceptions much anymore. No panic now even if he has been sacked several times. He could be MVP, but I think he will have to win the Super Bowl to get it and he has to go to the frozen tundra and get by Rogers first. I wonder how Rogers leg is after being stepped on by Suh twice last week. It is getting down to the nitty gritty now.
I think the refs in the playoffs have a different mind set… Let the players Play as opposed to call every little infraction.
I didn’t catch the head hit, but what I did hear of it being talked about, it was typical Detroit dirty play. That should have had an ejection.
All in all, it was an entertaining game of what I saw of it. I missed part of the third quarter during the Dallas Come Back.
Dallas GB is gonna be a good match up. Its cold out there so Romo & Company better be practicing in very cold weather. 29 below wind chills here this am. Has to be colder in GB.
First time playing a playoff in Green Bay since the famous ice bowl. That field was frozen harder than your driveway. I understand they put some coils underneath the field that keep it from freezing now, but it will still be awfully cold. Dome teams have a lot of trouble up there every year. From what I see, Chicago is heading for another winter like last year when Lake Michigan froze over. Maybe Al Gore was in town telling them Global Warming was coming.
When I walked my Gr Son to the bus this am, it was 29 below wind chill…. They do have heating coils under the turf, but when it gets that cold…
Remember the hit that ended Farves Career? Was an out door stadium because the roller dome collapsed and they did not have time to thaw the field.
Well, I think a lot has been done to improve the undergarments of players for the cold, gloves, pockets in the jersey and hoods under the helmet to protect the ears and face of the players, heated bench, warm blowers on the sideline big insulated coats when they are on the sideline, but Green Bay is Green Bay and the wind chill will be very low and difficult.
By the way FFA, the receiver on that play had the Dallas defenders face mask in his grasp. King of hard to turn your head and look for the ball in that situation.
Sorry, good to see Romo kept his witts….