Supreme Court to Weigh Rejection of Muslim Applicant Over Head Scarf

By | February 24, 2015

  • February 24, 2015 at 1:29 pm
    jack says:
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    See, providing jobs does stop the beheadings. Obuma was right.

    • February 24, 2015 at 5:26 pm
      Agent says:
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      So Jack, the beheading of the Coptic Christians in Libya will pale compared to the Assyrian Christians ISIS captured in Syria. They will have a very long line to show on their video. I wonder how Obama will describe his outrage. In Libya, he said Egyptian citizens so I would assume the will say Syrian citizens which is his mantra.

      • February 25, 2015 at 10:31 am
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        • February 26, 2015 at 2:26 pm
          CalDude says:
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          Spare me your fake indignance. Where was your anger then?

          “Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America.”

          Remarks by President George W. Bush in a statement to reporters during a meeting with U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan
          The Oval Office, Washington, DC
          November 13, 2002

          • February 26, 2015 at 3:41 pm
            Destro says:
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            Well I wasn’t on this blog at that point. How do you know I didn’t/don’t disagree with that either? At least Bush didn’t say that after scores of Christians were getting their heads cut off among other atrocities and human rights violations. And THEN go on to bring up the Crusades and bash on Christianity/religious wars from 1,000 years ago.

          • February 26, 2015 at 3:42 pm
            Destro says:
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            Also, Bush wasn’t raised by atheists, communists, and Islamists. Nor did he attend an vocally anti-American church.

          • February 26, 2015 at 4:19 pm
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            Dearest Destro
            If he was a Muslim, what would the issue be? The Constitution does not have a requirement that the President of the United States have any religious affinity. You may recall that little item from the Founding Fathers called SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

          • February 27, 2015 at 10:30 am
            Destro says:
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            Ok, good to know you’re not worth talking to about politics or religion.

          • February 27, 2015 at 10:42 am
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            The issue would be him being deceptive and lying about who he is and his core beliefs. That he will do and say literally anything for political gain while hiding his true intentions. That would be the issue.

          • February 27, 2015 at 11:09 am
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            Destro,

            And that makes him different from nearly every politician, how?

          • February 27, 2015 at 5:31 pm
            Destro says:
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            Touche`, though I think that selling out the Western World to Islamo-fascism is a bit more grave of a threat than nepotistic funding of businesses.

  • February 24, 2015 at 1:31 pm
    GoldC says:
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    Seriously, A&F doesn’t understand that one who wears a yarmulke or hijab or other head covering to an interview will wear it during employment and will NOT ask permission? That needs to be explained?? Kind of like the test proctors who made me remove my hat for the photo. I bluntly told them that if I’d be caught cheating during the exam, it would be with the hat on. You can see my face, this is my look. Learn, tolerate, accommodate!

    • February 25, 2015 at 8:24 am
      KY jw says:
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      She wore the hijab to the interview and the manager told her it violates the store’s “Look Policy.” I wish we knew what the conversation was after that was said.

      I’m somewhat torn about this one. A&F has a dress code, why did this kid apply there? On the other hand, would the head scarf really be a problem with the preppy look?

      • February 25, 2015 at 10:33 am
        Destro says:
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        Yes, it would be.

        • February 25, 2015 at 12:14 pm
          KY jw says:
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          Just curious, why would it be a problem?

          • February 25, 2015 at 3:01 pm
            Destro says:
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            Because it’s not at all part of the image the business or store is about. It’s awkward.

          • February 25, 2015 at 3:05 pm
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            I agree that the scarf alone shouldn’t be a problem — the article states that she wore A&F clothes to the interview. I think it would be a problem if she had not worn the A&F clothes. A&F is pretty “hard line” on their “look”. I have heard stories of others that have applied and were told to lose 10 pounds and re-apply.

        • February 26, 2015 at 2:58 pm
          insurance is fun! says:
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          Destro, isn’t A&F’s “preppy” look targeted more at white people? I mean, what I’m getting at, is shouldn’t they be able to have a whites-only hiring policy too?

          • February 26, 2015 at 3:44 pm
            Destro says:
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            If you’re saying preppy is synonymous with white people. Kanye West might disagree. But more importantly, skin color is something you can’t take off, a scarf is.

  • February 24, 2015 at 1:49 pm
    glassflower says:
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    People and corporations in the USA do not have to follow any religion. When applying to work, you should ask about the dress code prior to hiring – especially if you need to wear some specific religious item that goes against the company dress code.

    I believe in freedom of religion. I also believe the workplace, shopping centers and public areas should be free from religious demands.

    You are free to worship whoever/whatever you want on your own time. Just don’t inflict it on me.

    People that demand that their religious beliefs trump the rights of other people are the ones who are truly intolerant.

    • February 24, 2015 at 3:05 pm
      jack says:
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      Glassflower- And you are free to have sex with whoever/whatever you want on your own time. Don’t express any homosexual tendencies in public. We don’t want to have those inflicted on us. Or even be offended by that matter.

      Just asking if corporations should be able to deny service to anyone for any reason??

      • February 24, 2015 at 4:06 pm
        SWFL Agent says:
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        Can’t have sex with the cleaning lady either. Just ask George Costanza.

        • February 25, 2015 at 8:17 am
          jack says:
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          Yes you can- just makes you stupid.

          That was a great one!

          • February 25, 2015 at 10:35 am
            Destro says:
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            [“It’s like a chambermaid. I’ve always had the fantasy of having sex with a chambermaid!”] -George Costanza

        • February 26, 2015 at 4:55 pm
          Agent says:
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          Or the maid. Ask Arnold Schwarzenegger. He fathered a child with her.

  • February 24, 2015 at 1:50 pm
    bob says:
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    what would happen if the store sold hijabs, and the applicant was blond, blue eyed, and wearing a miniskirt?
    just wondering.

    • February 24, 2015 at 2:06 pm
      Rosenblatt says:
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      In your hypothetical situation, bob, is the blonde and blue-eyed woman wearing a miniskirt due to her religious beliefs which required her to wear that outfit? If not, your scenario isn’t an apt comparison to this situation. If so, then we can discuss it some more.

      • February 25, 2015 at 10:36 am
        Destro says:
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        The church of Bimbology!

    • February 24, 2015 at 2:53 pm
      Agent says:
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      Bob, I don’t know about you, but if I walked into a store and was greeted by a Muslim clerk with a Hijab on, I would walk out of the store without buying. That is my right. I think many Americans feel the same way. Too much has gone on for me to feel comfortable with that scenario.

      • February 24, 2015 at 3:40 pm
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        And this right here folks, is exactly how Nazi Germany happened. Get enough like minded Americans to share your fear and hatred of Muslims, and the yellow patches and Nuremburg laws are just a step away.

        • February 24, 2015 at 4:24 pm
          Agent says:
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          Nazi Germany happened because good Germans didn’t wake up in time to stop Hitler and his thugs. Muslims are about taking control, imposing Sharia law and killing infidels who don’t convert.

          • February 24, 2015 at 4:46 pm
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            The Nazis were very successful in painting a religious minority as the enemy of the German people, arguing that they were trying to take control of political and economic institutions and impose their malign will upon the western world.

            Much like you’re trying to claim that a different religious minority is trying to take control and impose their laws. The similarity in rhetoric between yourself and the Nazi party is very chilling. Goebbels would be proud.

          • February 24, 2015 at 5:00 pm
            Rosenblatt says:
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            The ignorance of this reply stuns and scares me. I can’t even talk about your first sentence – so anyway….

            Radical Muslims: take control, impose their law and kill anyone who doesn’t agree.

            Nazi’s: take control, impose their “master race” and kill anyone who doesn’t fit the bill.

            They seem pretty similar to me based on your 3-point criteria

          • February 24, 2015 at 5:02 pm
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            Sorry Dave – I accidentally down-voted you. I meant to give Agent 1 dislike, but your post was ‘in his spot’ when I refreshed.

          • February 24, 2015 at 6:13 pm
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            Yes, there are Muslim extremists. And their goal is exactly what you said, Agent. But, they are a small percentage of the over 1.6 billion Muslims worldwide. Islam is like Christianity in that it has many, many different denominations. Some factions are extreme and breed militant groups like ISIS, Al-Qaeda and the like. But, others are very liberal and progressive.

            Saying all Muslims want to take control, impose Sharia law and kill infidels is like saying all Christians want to picket soldiers’ funerals and believe dinosaurs were made up by ‘Big Paleontology.’ (Seriously! Google ‘Christians against Dinosaurs.’ They’re hysterical!) Don’t paint all of Islam with the same brush.

          • February 25, 2015 at 8:28 am
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            BS- you comparing picketing funerals to beheading, raping and stoning women, throwing homosexuals off roof tops is what’s hysterical!

            Or just bigotry ? Christian bigotry!

          • February 25, 2015 at 8:32 am
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            BS- you must suffer from Christianophobia.

          • February 25, 2015 at 10:45 am
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            Comparing the Westboro Baptist Church to Radical Muslims is not even close to accurate. The WBC is one family in some backwoods area that even though say horrendous things (in order to elicit a violent response in order to litigate) don’t inflict any sort of violence whatsoever. Radical Islamists however, make up roughly 200-300 million in the Muslim world.

            Your Silent majority argument is worthless and your comparison is even less. And just because the majority of Muslims in the world aren’t throwing acid in the faces of women and shooting up cartoonist offices doesn’t mean that an overwhelming majority don’t hold “radical” views. 78% of Muslims in London thought the Danish cartoonist who drew Muhammed should either be jailed for life or executed.

          • February 25, 2015 at 12:03 pm
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            Jack and Destro, I think you may have missed my point.

            First of all, let me state clearly that I am not, in any way, shape or form trying to imply that that picketing soldiers funerals is anyway near as awful as beheading people.

            Secondly, I was not trying to make an argument that Christians were ‘just as bad.’ The reason why I picked those two examples – two obviously stupid groups of so-called ‘Christians’ – was to avoid any sort of which-religion-is-worse argument.

            My only point was that Christianity and Islam are both huge religions, each with multiple denominations that have varying practices and beliefs, and that judging the whole of either religion based on the actions of their individual sects, is wrong.

          • February 25, 2015 at 12:29 pm
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            And my second point was that just because someone isn’t suicide-bombing or cutting heads off et al, that means the majority don’t hold radical views. It’s nice to think that it’s just a fraction of a percent of the Muslim world that hold ideals and beliefs that would be considered as radical or extremist to those who live in a more civilized Western world, but it’s just not the case.

          • February 25, 2015 at 4:04 pm
            Agent says:
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            BS, did you know that if only 1% of Muslims in the world agreed with jihad, that would be 160 million of them. It is estimated that at least 2% do and that is 320 million. That small percentage you point out turns out to be a major problem. I am tired of Muslim apologists. Islam is not a religion, but a Satanic cult. Any Muslim in this country would cling to Allah in a NY minute and against this country.

          • February 25, 2015 at 4:27 pm
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            “Islam is not a religion.” Please tell me you’re just kidding, Agent. Do you sincerely mean that?

          • February 25, 2015 at 6:23 pm
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            1% would be 16 million, 2% would be 32 million. Conservative estimates put the percentage of radicals or extremists at 15-20% which equates to 240-320 million.

          • February 26, 2015 at 2:24 pm
            insurance is fun! says:
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            Rosenblatt…..come on. Don’t you know that it isn’t a religion if belief in JC doesn’t form a part of it? Everyone knows that! Right, Agent?

  • February 24, 2015 at 2:55 pm
    And when we accomodate everyone.. says:
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    Nothing will get done.

    • February 25, 2015 at 8:25 am
      KY jw says:
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      +1

    • February 25, 2015 at 9:52 am
      Agent says:
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      Jack, did you know if there wasn’t God, there would be no atheists?

      • February 25, 2015 at 11:06 am
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        Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. If there is a god, atheists don’t believe in it. If there isn’t a god, atheists STILL don’t believe in it. God doesn’t have to exist or not exist for atheists to not believe in a god. Did you possibly mean Agnostics?

        • February 25, 2015 at 12:56 pm
          Destro says:
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          No I think he meant those virulent and vitriolic atheists who feel the need to crap all over religion. Evangelical atheists are by far more annoying than evangelical religious folk.

          • February 25, 2015 at 2:37 pm
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            Destro – what exactly do you mean by “evangelical atheist”? At face value, this term seems like an oxymoron to me.

            Evangelical means “…the preaching of the Gospel or the practice of giving information about a particular doctrine or set of beliefs to others with the intention of converting or Conversion of others to the Christian faith.”

            So how can anyone be an evangelical atheist — one who doesn’t believe in god but one who has the intention of converting those to Christianity?

            Can you elaborate on what you meant when you wrote “evangelical atheist?”

          • February 25, 2015 at 6:24 pm
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            People who post atheist garbage and anti-religious stuff on their social media or who love to talk about how they hate religion and are atheists etc. You know exactly what I meant.

          • February 26, 2015 at 8:08 am
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            Thanks for explaining that, Destro. I did not know exactly what you meant, which is why I asked.

          • February 26, 2015 at 3:46 pm
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            I figured you were asking just to be facetious.

          • February 26, 2015 at 4:38 pm
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            I figured you did – the tone you read in my email would likely apply to a lot of the folks who post here. I’m not offended with what you said (yet? :D)

        • February 26, 2015 at 9:52 am
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          It was simply a play on words Rosenblatt. We didn’t need a treatise from you about the Atheist position. Denying there is not a God in this universe is about the most stupid position one can take.

          • February 26, 2015 at 9:58 am
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            Agent,

            Re-read your last sentence. Your double negative means that, in your opinion, believing that there is a God in the universe is the most stupid position one can take. However, I do not believe that is what your meant.

            Judging someone else’s beliefs, without proof, is the most stupid position one can take. Nobody KNOWS if there is a God or not. I personally believe that there is one, but there is no PROOF. That is why it is called faith.

          • February 26, 2015 at 10:21 am
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            Agent – as you added nothing to this discussion in your last post, I will not feed into your trolling attempt.

          • February 26, 2015 at 10:53 am
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            Ron, my post was clear to everyone but you and Rosenblatt. Please tell me, do you believe there is a God or are you in the Atheist camp?

          • February 26, 2015 at 11:08 am
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            Agent,

            Did you re-read your post? Was the double negative intentional?

            What part of, “I personally believe that there is one [God]” from my post do you not understand?

            The difference between you and me is that I respect those who have different beliefs, or the lack there of.

          • February 26, 2015 at 12:10 pm
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            Ron: “Nobody KNOWS if there is a God or not. I personally believe that there is one”

            Agent’s reply: “Ron…Please tell me, do you believe there is a God or are you in the Atheist camp?”

            smh

          • February 26, 2015 at 12:16 pm
            Agent says:
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            So you personally believe there is a God, but no PROOF? Are you one of those evolution guys? Tell me, if man evolved from apes, how come there are still apes? Do you think all the animals in the world just suddenly appeared without a force to create them? The evidence of God is all around you and you say there is no PROOF. The birth of a child should be evidence enough to you that it is God’s miracle.

          • February 26, 2015 at 12:40 pm
            Ron says:
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            Agent,

            What is your problem? I don’t need proof to have faith. You have no proof that President Obama has been the worst president ever, that the economy is getting/not improving, or that he has not implemented very similar policies as President Reagan; yet you still believe. This in spite of all the facts and data, with cited sources, that I have provided.

            If a child being born is a miracle of God, why does it happen so often and to people who are not willing, mature enough, and/or able to handle being a parent? Miracles should be rare and positive for society.

          • February 26, 2015 at 2:47 pm
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            Agent, I know it’s beautiful and all, but are you really saying that “birth” is a miracle?

            I thought a miracle was something that could not be explained rationally, scientifically, or otherwise. Oh wait, I forgot…since we all agree that “science” is just guessing at stuff, then it must really be a miracle.

          • February 26, 2015 at 3:05 pm
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            Agent – After Ron said he believes in God, you asked him if he’s one of those “evolution guys.” Was that another ‘word play’ I didn’t get or were you being serious? Just like Destro’s “evangelical atheist” comment – I really don’t know, which is why I’m asking.

      • February 25, 2015 at 7:15 pm
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        Agent, you almost had me there, good one. There is no God, THAT’S why there is atheists.

      • February 26, 2015 at 6:26 pm
        Don't Call Me Shirley says:
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        If there were no God, man would find it necessary to invent him.

        • February 27, 2015 at 10:49 am
          Destro says:
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          Pagans

  • February 24, 2015 at 5:56 pm
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    Just think of the lawsuit the muslims could have if they tried applying at Hooters. I bet not one gets a waitressing job.

    • February 26, 2015 at 10:17 am
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      I bet they’d hire Mia Khalifa if she applied.

  • February 24, 2015 at 9:57 pm
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    So not only do they want to be accommodated, regardless of the fact that the image they present completely contradicts the image of the company brand, but they also want the company to bend over backwards to accommodate them rather than make the request themselves? BS.

    • February 26, 2015 at 10:19 am
      Destro says:
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      Refusal to assimilate, demand the other culture accommodate them? Sounds like Islam 101 to me.

  • February 25, 2015 at 8:28 am
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    If I’m Jewish and in a yarmulke at the interview, the company sees MY dress code. If there is a company policy on attire, that is the time for the interviewer to make the company policy clear. If my yarmulke makes anyone bend over backward, I want to witness it. And my yarmulke does not contradict A&F’s image. All who contradict on the basis of their anti-Semitism, please stand up.

  • February 25, 2015 at 9:55 am
    Yogi Polar Berra says:
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    At best, the application was intended to start a controversy, and initiate a lawsuit. At worst, it was intended to ‘start real trouble’.

    What would happen if I applied for a job at a furrier?

  • February 25, 2015 at 12:25 pm
    KY jw says:
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    Based solely on the report from Reuters, the justices are leaning toward agreeing with the applicant.

    “A majority of U.S. Supreme Court justices on Wednesday expressed support for a Muslim woman denied a job at an Abercrombie & Fitch Co clothing store in Oklahoma because she wore a head scarf for religious reasons.”

    • February 26, 2015 at 9:55 am
      Agent says:
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      KY, God forbid that a company make it’s own hiring decisions. By the way, if Abercrombie has to hire her, their sales fall off by 50% so they fire her, then she has a good Employment Practices claim, no?

      • February 26, 2015 at 10:44 am
        KY jw says:
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        True. What a mess.

  • February 26, 2015 at 1:16 pm
    BS says:
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    I’m conflicted on this. On the one hand, requiring someone to remove their religious items, whether its a hijab, cross or yarmulke, as a condition of employment, does seem like religious discrimination. But on the other hand, requiring a company to alter a dress code that’s part of their nationally-recognized brand, to accommodate a potential employee, seems like a swing in the other direction.

    Although I do feel for her – no one should have to choose between a job and staying true to their faith – I’m leaning more towards A&F. If something like this happened at a store like Macy’s or Target, where I’m sure they have a dress code, but not one that’s specifically designed to represent their brand, I’d agree with her. But with a company like A&F, that is well-known for having such strict imaging guidelines, that they even dictate what hairstyles employees can wear (see link below,) I’m less sympathetic.

    Knowing what a company’s dress code is before even applying, but still applying even though you know you won’t be able to comply with it, seems like you’re looking more for a problem, than a job. It kind of reminds me of the men who sued Hooters for discrimination because the company wouldn’t hire them as Hooters Girls.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/sapna/exclusive-abercrombie-hairstyle-rules-add-to-strict-look-pol#.tbDXl5kBQ8

    • February 26, 2015 at 3:03 pm
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      BS, this is all a Muslim plan to undermine all our traditions we cherish in this country. This woman is an agitator. Politically correct people will bow before Islam. Before long, they will demand Sharia law to replace our laws. By the way, she is free to apply to Muslim owned businesses. We had a restaurant owned by Muslims in my town masquerading as a regular restaurant. Funny thing was that you couldn’t get a ham sandwich there. After the citizens found out who owned them, they didn’t last a month.

      • February 26, 2015 at 3:09 pm
        Rosenblatt says:
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        …or she needed a job and applied at A&F because they were hiring. Who really knows besides her? I’m sorry for being rational – let’s just blindly believe Agent’s absurd Islamaphobia theory instead.

      • February 26, 2015 at 3:26 pm
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        Hi Agent. I don’t think this is a ‘Muslim plot.’ Is it possible that this is a woman who came up with a clever way to get a payday by specifically looking for a company who won’t hire her? Definitely. But I really don’t see any nefarious motives here other than possible financial ones.

        It’s a shame that the restaurant didn’t last long in your area. Depending on which region they’re from, they have some awesome food. There’s a Persian restaurant that opened up by our house about two years ago, and they’re easily one of my favorite places to eat at. No pork, but their grilled salmon and chicken shawarma are amazing.

        • February 27, 2015 at 8:06 am
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          There are some excellent foods/meals that come from the middle east. All these restaurants in my decidedly RED state do well.

          • February 27, 2015 at 11:04 am
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            I gotta admit, I do love some good middle eastern food. I love all/most of the flavors the world has to offer.

            I think the restaurant that Agent had been talking about wasn’t themed or didn’t serve Middle Eastern food. It sounds like it was just Muslim owned restaurant that sold standard American fare; burgers, sandwiches, etc just that they didn’t sell pork products.

          • February 27, 2015 at 11:33 am
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            Honestly, as long as the food is good, I really don’t care who owns a restaurant. Whatever they were serving, I just hope it wasn’t very good. Because not eating somewhere that serves great food just because you don’t like the owners’ religion seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

      • February 26, 2015 at 3:44 pm
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        Agent,

        Answer my question, If a child being born is a miracle of God, why does it happen so often and to people who are not willing, mature enough, and/or able to handle being a parent?

        • February 26, 2015 at 5:08 pm
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          Ron, are you really that dumb or are you just a NY smartmouth trying to get a rise out of me? I thought you had fathered some children. If so, were you in the room with your wife? It is quite a miracle, especially if both the mother and child are healthy.

          I cannot speak for the irresponsible, immature people that copulate until they produce a baby they are unprepared for. If it was up to liberals, they would just abort it since everyone knows it is just a fetus, right?

          • February 26, 2015 at 6:36 pm
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            Agent,

            Once again you did not answer the question. If anything, you proved my point that a child is not a miracle from God when you used the term “copulate”. That means people have control over whether or not they have children, not God.

            I was in the delivery room when all three of my children were born. Was it a beautiful moment with my wife? Yes. Was it some kind of miracle? No. It was a medical procedure.

          • February 27, 2015 at 11:07 am
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            Ughhh speaking of irresponsible, immature people making babies. There’s this girl I work with who was previously pregnant, smoked during the entire pregnancy, and the baby died immediately after it was born. She’s pregnant again and is still smoking through her pregnancy. She is such a swine.

          • February 27, 2015 at 11:11 am
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            Destro,

            Does not exactly sound like a miracle from a good and loving God, does it?

          • February 27, 2015 at 5:34 pm
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            That chick seems more like the hellspawn of Satan to be honest.

      • March 2, 2015 at 1:43 pm
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        Careful, Agent, your ignorance and bias are showing.

        Really? A teenager who needs a part-time job is a part of a huge conspiracy. A Muslim restaurant ‘masquerades’ as a ‘regular’ restaurant? I’m not sure when I’ve read such idiocy…oh wait, a few posts up when you said you wouldn’t go into a store with a Muslim clerk was the last time. Wow, just wow.

        • March 3, 2015 at 10:58 am
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          Surprised, I wonder how long any restaurant would last if they advertised they are Muslim owned in this country. The quick answer is – Not for long.

    • February 26, 2015 at 3:11 pm
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      Forgot to mention that you raise an excellent point, BS. As we’re all in the insurance industry, I’ll say that I do see some comparative negligence on both sides here. Ultimately nobody knows her true intentions, so we can only speculate as to who holds more ‘fault’ in this situation.

      • February 26, 2015 at 3:30 pm
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        “Ultimately nobody knows her true intentions, so we can only speculate as to who holds more ‘fault’ in this situation.”

        Very true. This is why I’m glad I’m not the one who has to rule on this. :)

  • February 26, 2015 at 3:18 pm
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    E-gads, communist anti-Christian heathens, every one of them…

    George W. Bush – 2002
    “Here in the United States our Muslim citizens are making many contributions in business, science and law, medicine and education, and in other fields…[they are]upholding our nation’s ideals of liberty and justice in a world at peace.”

    “Islam inspires countless individuals to lead lives of honesty, integrity, and morality.”

    Bill Clinton – 1994
    “Americans know the traditional values of Islam, devotion to faith and good works, to family and society, are in harmony with the best of American ideals. “
    [1994]

    George H.W. Bush – 1991
    “And I’m not a student of religion, but I don’t find anything in what the principal teachings of Islam that put us in contradiction at all. In fact, the principles are the same as what—we have a diverse religious culture. But it’s kindness, it’s be good to your neighbor, it’s love, and it’s take care of children. It’s all these things that—so there’s no anti-Islam.”

    Jimmy Carter – 1980
    “From the beginning, the United States has enjoyed close and valued ties with the Muslim world.”
    “We have the deepest respect and reverence for Islam and all who share the faith of Islam.”

    “On the basis of both values and interests, the natural relationship between Islam and the United States is one of friendship.”

    Gerald Ford – 1974
    “For nearly two hundred years, our nation has derived its strength from the diversity of its people and of their beliefs. That strength has been greatly enhanced by [the Islamic] religious heritage.

    Dwight Eisenhower – 1957
    “Civilization owes to the Islamic world some of its most important tools and achievements…the Muslim genius have added much to the culture of all peoples.”

    John Adams – 1796
    “The United States of America…has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility of Muslims”.

    • February 26, 2015 at 4:44 pm
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      Nice post CalDude. Really puts the ” is a Muslim-lover who hates America” theory to bed.

      • February 26, 2015 at 4:45 pm
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        So I guess IJ deletes words written in brackets. Okay. Take 2:

        Really puts the “_insert-president’s-name-here_ is a Muslim-lover who hates America” theory to bed.

        • February 26, 2015 at 11:17 pm
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          “Jimmy Carter”

        • February 27, 2015 at 11:10 am
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          It’s not just the public speeches but the policy, actions, and inaction taken regarding circumstances and instances of aggression.

    • February 26, 2015 at 5:10 pm
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      “We are not a Christian Nation” – Barack Hussein Obama

      • February 26, 2015 at 5:52 pm
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        “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.” – Sen. Barack Obama, 2006 speech

        I don’t disagree with him. We really aren’t *solely* a Christian nation any more. It may be the religion practiced by a majority of Americans, but to say that this makes us a Christian nation marginalizes non-Christians, and I don’t believe that was the intention of the founders.

        This is why I’m firmly in favor of separation of church and state. I believe religion needs to be kept far, far out of government.

        • February 27, 2015 at 8:32 am
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          Amazing what happens to Agent’s “Obama hates Christian’s” quote when you read what Obama said before and after those words. Context Agent – it’s kinda important.

        • February 28, 2015 at 8:46 am
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          I firmly believe that “Amendment I

          Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

          We should all know from the study of history and the time our founders were in that the intent and the words of the 1st amendment are clear. There shall be no “government” religion. That is a long way from where we are now with separation of church and state. I for one detest court made law and elect officals to make the law not appointed judges. Unfortunately we all know that the reality is that the judicial branch legislates from the bench which is simply wrong.

          • March 2, 2015 at 10:52 am
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            Isn’t the purpose of the judicial branch to keep the other two branches in check?

            This goes for each branch really. The purpose of a three tiered system is to keep each other in line with the constitution.

          • March 3, 2015 at 5:34 pm
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            Unfortunately for us KY, the Executive branch seems to be about 80% of the rule and the Judicial & Legislative only about 10% each. Not so long ago, there was a system of checks and balances before the current Progressive nightmare took over.

      • February 26, 2015 at 7:25 pm
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        Agent,

        If you can show me where in the Constitution it says we are a Christian nation, I will concede that President Obama is wrong.

        • February 27, 2015 at 5:19 pm
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          Have you read the back side of a dollar bill? In GOD we trust. Hope the ACLU isn’t paying attention…

          • February 27, 2015 at 5:36 pm
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            Actually, the “In God We Trust” was added to money I think about 60 years ago.

          • March 2, 2015 at 9:37 am
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            I do not care what is on money, government buildings, etc., only what is in the Constitution.

          • April 2, 2015 at 10:18 am
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            Actually FFA, the Progressives will try to change the money to “In man we trust” and then try to put Obama’s picture on it.

  • February 26, 2015 at 3:24 pm
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    Agent, we, (at least most of us),didn’t evolve from apes, we evolved from common ancestors. Obviously the apes that currently inhabit the planet didn’t need to evolve any further or they wouldn’t be here either. Enjoy your banana.

    • February 26, 2015 at 5:11 pm
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      Describe those common ancestors Farmer. Did you evolve from a pig?

      • February 27, 2015 at 11:28 am
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        Ever land animal evolved from some retarded fish-frog.

        • February 27, 2015 at 11:29 am
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          Every*

      • February 27, 2015 at 3:53 pm
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        Oink!

        • February 27, 2015 at 7:16 pm
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          You know, that’s what makes this country so great, the diversity of opinions, many of them trotted out as facts. I understand, I’ve evolved, you haven’t, that’s cool. Some people pray for rain, some dig a well.

          • March 2, 2015 at 12:40 pm
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            And others pee in that well when you’re not looking.

  • February 27, 2015 at 9:45 am
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    Is it possible to believe in evolution, climate change whether or not man is directly responsible for it, gay marriage, God (and the freedom to worship or not worship as you so choose without any judgment), abortion when medically necessary or in the case of rape or incest (but not encouraged or sponsored by the government), background checks for gun owners but not banning all guns, LEGAL immigration but reform to the process so the good people can stay if they get back in line, and STILL vote Republican? I was a registered Democrat when I was younger, then switched to Republican…now I’m wondering if I should just register as an Independent. I’m not sure the Republicans have anyone who can beat the inevitable Hillary in 2016.

    The American political landscape is really f—ed up. Let’s all just keep arguing, blaming the other side, and never get anything done.

    Cue the downvotes.

    • February 27, 2015 at 10:10 am
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      Louie,

      I also started as a registered Democrat and then switched to Republican. During Presidetn GW Bush’s first term, I decided neirther party represents my positions of fiscal responsibility, reducing spending, and views regarding social issues. I am pro-choice and against abortions, for gay marriage, equal opportunity and pay for women, and against any government decisions being based on religious beliefs.

      Those are the main reasons I am now Independent and vote for candidates from different parties. I have implemented a strategy to vote against all incumbents as my way of instituting term limits.

      In my opinion, the Republicans have had candidates, especially Jon Huntsman, that could win the general election. However, the far right wing will not allow those candidates to win their primary.

      • February 27, 2015 at 2:11 pm
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        Louie,

        I too switched from Democrat to Republican after Reagan was elected the second time. On the first election, when he won, I thought “Oh my God what has this country sank to, electing an actor!”

        But now, although I am a Republican, I absolutely will not vote an incumbent, as I also impose my form of term limits.

        • February 27, 2015 at 3:06 pm
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          Cajun, history has shown that you made the right decision on Reagan. I bet you liked him when he was in office. It is too bad this country is short on Reagan types to lead the country in the right direction.

      • February 27, 2015 at 2:57 pm
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        Ron, you have an interesting selection of beliefs. It is about as Progressive as can be on social issues. Easy to see how you voted for the worst President in American History. How do you square all these social beliefs with reducing spending? I didn’t see your belief that taxes should be lowered for all Americans in addition to reducing spending? Doesn’t that fit your mantra? Oh, that’s right, you don’t pay Federal Income Tax so it is impossible to reduce your taxes. You are content to let me pay them for you. By the way, Huntsman didn’t last past a cup of coffee since he had nothing appealing to say. You should be behind Scott Walker who has experience running something and has done a bang up job for Wisconsin despite all the rowdy unions trying to unseat him.

        • February 27, 2015 at 3:28 pm
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          Agent,

          You asked, “How do you square all these social beliefs with reducing spending?” Easy, none of those beliefs would cost the taxpayer any money. it only costs taxpayer money when Conservatives try to pass laws to limit freedoms for no reason outside of religious beliefs.

          Thank you and

        • February 27, 2015 at 3:32 pm
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          Continued…

          KEEP PAYIN’!!

          You still have not explained how increasing taxes on people who are not saving will benefit the economy. As I said several times before, I have no problem paying federal income taxes as long as you do not mind me spending less money in the private sector.

          Do you believe the economy would benefit from me giving more money to the government and less to the private sector?

          I already said I am interested in Governor Walker, especially over Hillary Clinton.

          • February 27, 2015 at 4:19 pm
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            Still having trouble expressing your thoughts in one email Ron? All you need to do is make another paragraph. It is simple, even for you to master. I have news for you, Social Programs cost money to implement. Re: Obamacare is the biggest Social Program ever.

            You still haven’t answered why I have to pay your taxes even though you are making a record salary now. How is it fair to have half the population paying the other half’s taxes? How about a fair or flat tax and cut the loopholes out? If you want to spend in the private sector, how about a consumption tax on everything you buy? You could pay taxes and spend privately. Does that appeal to you? I wouldn’t mind a consumption tax if I could get rid of my Progressive Income Tax bill.

          • March 2, 2015 at 10:05 am
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            Agent,

            It was a technology glitch. Grow Up!!

            First, you are not paying my taxes. Second, you do not HAVE to pay any taxes, you choose to. Don’t like it, pay your employees more to show less income or sell your business and get a job as a Wal*Mart greeter. I guarantee you they do not pay federal income taxes.

            I never said it was fair that 57% of the population pays federal income taxes and 43% do not. What I have said many times, is that if you change the tax laws so eveyone pays some, there will be a negative effect on the economy.

            Regarding a flat or fair tax and removing all loopholes, 2 things; 1. What is the number?, and 2. see above regarding the impact on the economy.

            Regarding a consumption tax, what happens to the economy when people start buying less because of the increase in costs due to the tax?

            In general, the problems with Republican tax reform ideas, is that they would adversely affect the economy and benefit higher income people making it even more difficult for the lower and middle classes to move up.

    • February 27, 2015 at 11:32 am
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      “I’m not sure the Republicans have anyone who can beat the inevitable Hillary in 2016.”

      And you think there is an Independent who can?

      • February 27, 2015 at 12:15 pm
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        Destro,

        I would love to see an Independent get a fair shot. This is why we need 100% public financing of elections. The Democrtas, Republicans and Independents can each select a candidate. Then, each is given equal money and advertising time to make their case.

      • February 27, 2015 at 1:19 pm
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        No, actually I have yet to meet even any independent candidates who have the capability to beat the Hildebeest.

        My point is that both parties have been hijacked by extremists. If you’re a Democrat, you have to be as left as Pelosi or they don’t want you. If you’re a Republican, you have to be as right as Agent or they don’t want you. Most elections I end up voting for the candidate who p*sses me off the least.

        • February 27, 2015 at 1:26 pm
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          Louie,

          You hit the nail on the head and the reason I am an Independent.

          The system has essentionally suppressed any Independent’s hope. I believe we will start seeing more viable Independent presidential candidates within the next 4 elections. We just have to have some patience.

          • February 27, 2015 at 2:32 pm
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            I hope you’re right and we see more third party Presidential candidates in the future; unfortunately, our system is currently set up to keep perpetuating this two-party system.

            A new party (e.g. Green, Independent, etc) can only be invited to the Presidential debates if that party had a 15% support level across five national polls.

            Rhetorical question: how can a party receive 15% support in the elections if they’re unable to participate in the debates for said elections in the first place?

            In my opinion, this rule must change before we’re really able to see some non-DEM/non-REPUB candidates have a serious chance at getting elected.

          • February 27, 2015 at 3:04 pm
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            Ross Perot was an Independent with a billion to spend and garnered a lot of TV time when he ran. His problem was being too goofy to appeal to real voters. He also used poor judgment with his running mate who couldn’t put a sentence together. Being an Independent does not make one a better candidate. Perot would have been a disaster had he won.

          • February 27, 2015 at 3:29 pm
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            Agent – nobody is arguing that if Ross Perot was elected President, then BLAMMO — all our problems would be fixed because he ran as an Independent. What point were you trying to make with that post?

          • February 27, 2015 at 4:02 pm
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            Rosenblatt,

            Agent believes that only a Conservative woyuld make a good president. That is all.

            Funny thing is, President Reagan was not nearly as Conservative as manny believe. During his administration, the debt doubled, deficits increased, spending increased, the size of the government increased, and he signed at least 11 tax increases.

          • March 2, 2015 at 12:43 pm
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            You know what else happened? We toppled the Soviet Union.

          • March 5, 2015 at 6:06 pm
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            Ron, you are an Independent because you can’t tell right from wrong and fuss and fume over who to vote for before the election and then pick the most Progressive candidate in American history, a Community Organizer with no accomplishments at all. How did you reach that stunning conclusion?

          • March 6, 2015 at 8:03 am
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            Agent,

            Either answer my questions or admit that you cannot.

            1. How much does gay marriage cost the government?
            2. How much more does abortion cost above having and bringing up a child?
            3. How much does equal pay for women cost the government?
            4. How much does religious freedom, including freedom from religion cost the government?
            5. Outside of Universal Health Care, When have I advocated for more social programs or a Socialist agenda? I have actually advocated for reducing umeployment and welfare for those who are able to work.

    • March 2, 2015 at 10:56 am
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      Well, I agree with you, louie. Interesting that you switched from Democrat to Republican. I went the other direction, but with the same beliefs as you. Neither one of us has found a home yet. ;)

      What happened to choosing a politician we actually agree with rather than against the one we can’t stand?

  • February 27, 2015 at 5:24 pm
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    Ron, you are quite correct that I believe only a Conservative would make a good President. You might want to check your spelling of “would”& “many” before sending. We have had quite enough of Progressives and RINO’s making a huge mess. It is time to go to Conservative solutions to the nation’s problems. By the way, Conservative governors across the nation are doing quite well for their states. Progressive Democrats, not so much. Please give me a name of any Progressive Democrat that has their state up and running and economy doing well. I realize it is a short list since there are only about 14 left out of 50 states. Did you realize that IRA’s & 401K’s started during Reagan’s term to encourage savings for retirement and tax deferred?

    You were not alive during Reagan’s terms, but you just gleaned some info from leftist publications about Reagan. I lived through it. He inherited a country and economy in shambles from the former worst President Carter. High interest rates, high unemployment, energy crisis, economic malaise, dismantled military. Need I go on? Instead of blaming Carter, he rolled up his sleeves and went to work. It was necessary to rebuild the military so yes, money was spent. By the way, the Soviet Union was the evil empire back then and he brought down the iron curtain and did it with economics. Gorbachev could not compete with the USA. By the way, you can thank Democrats for welching on deals of most domestic spending back then because Reagan wanted a balanced budget and Tip O’Neil, your hero, was behind all of that.

    I think it is ironic that the Iran hostages were put on a plane to come home the day Reagan was sworn in as President. I think they didn’t want any part of Reagan. They would have rotted in prison had Jimmy Carter still been President. Funny thing is, your assessment of Reagan is so far off, even your algorithms are incorrect.

    • March 2, 2015 at 10:23 am
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      Agent,

      Wrong again. I was alive during President Reagn’s administraion. Admittedly, I was in my teens, but I have clear recollections.

      You sound just like President Obama defenders when you defend President Reagan. The only difference is that the Democrats in Congress were willing to help President Reagan succeed becasue they knew the country would succeed if he did. The Republicans were only interested in doing anything possible to make President Obama a one-term president. Your hero Senator McConnell made that perfectly clear.

      Thety let the hostage sgo, niot because they were afraid of Presidetn Reagan, but because they knew he would be more flexible than President Carter. I find it interesting that President Reagan was willing to sell-out to the Iranians by providing them weapons against existing embargos. The thinking that this would help our relations with Iran. And you call President Obama naive.

      What information that I provided about President Reagan was incorrect? Did spending not go up? Did deficits not increase? Did the size of the government not increase? Did he not sign at least 11 tax increases?

      What algoritms? You really need to either use that term properly or let it go.

      • March 2, 2015 at 5:08 pm
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        You are right Ron about Tip O’Neil helping Reagan. He helped run up the debt by welching on a deal to hold down spending. By the way, if you were a teenager during Reagan’s term, I am sure you had a good understanding of what was going on at the time. What does that make you now, 50+? You are old enough to know better than this. I guess it is your NY upbringing and living in such a liberal state.

        • March 3, 2015 at 9:32 am
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          Agent,

          So, you are admitting that I was correct about President Reagan and the Keyesian principles were applied during his term in order to fix the mess he inheritied. How come it was OK then, but not now? If it was Tip O’Neil’s fault then, why not John Boehner’s fault now? Please try to be consistent.

          Not 50 yet, but getting close. I do know better, you are just too blind to see it.

          Where I live is actually a far more Conservative part of the state. Outside of the City of Buffalo, most elected officials are Republicans.

          If you were smart enough to understand all of the content of my posts, you would see that I am only Liberal from a social standpoint, not fiscal.

          • March 3, 2015 at 11:07 am
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            Why don’t you be consistent Ron? There is a lot of difference between Democrat Tip O’Neil and Boehner. Boehner is not my favorite, but he actually wants to cut Federal Spending and get rid of Obamacare, the most expensive law ever passed and passed under your hero Nancy Pelosi, not him.

            By the way, your fake Conservatism does not wash well with me. A Progressive does not know how to be fiscally conservative. The Social agenda does cost money or we wouldn’t have so many of them on the books and a myriad of Federal Agencies wasting money on them.

          • March 3, 2015 at 2:15 pm
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          • March 3, 2015 at 2:18 pm
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            Correction: …people can be and are..

          • March 3, 2015 at 5:44 pm
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            Ron, why can’t you get it through your thick head that Progressives/Democrats are not fiscally responsible? You can’t possibly believe that advancing a Socialist/Social agenda does not cost money in the budget. Yes, you are a Progressive if you believe this way. That is what they do, get it? It really isn’t that hard and RINO’s are partially to blame since they go along to get along.

          • March 4, 2015 at 7:50 am
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      • March 3, 2015 at 1:49 pm
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        Three years into Mr. Walker’s term, Wisconsin lags behind Minnesota in job creation and economic growth. As a candidate, Mr. Walker promised to produce 250,000 private-sector jobs in his first term, but a year before the next election that number is less than 90,000. Wisconsin ranks 34th for job growth….
        Along with California, Minnesota is the fifth fastest growing state economy, with private-sector job growth exceeding pre-recession levels. Forbes rates Minnesota as the eighth best state for business….
        The lion’s share of Minnesota’s new tax revenue was sunk into human capital. While the state’s Constitution required that half of the new revenue balance the budget in 2013, Mr. Dayton invested 71 percent of the remaining funds in K-12 schools and higher education as well as a pair of firsts: all-day kindergarten and wider access to early childhood education. Minnesota was one of the few states that raised education spending under the cloud of the Great Recession.
        By contrast, Mr. Walker’s strategy limited Wisconsin’s ability to invest in infrastructure that would have catalyzed private-sector expansion, and he cut state funding of K-12 schools by more than 15 percent. Per student, this was the seventh sharpest decline in the country.
        Health care presents another difference. When Mr. Walker refused to establish a state health insurance exchange or to expand Medicaid…
        Mr. Dayton is on course to improve Minnesota’s already low uninsured rate. He expanded Medicaid to cover an additional 35,000 people and accepted Washington’s offer to pick up the cost — as half the states, including a growing number with Republican governors, have. Mr. Dayton also created a state insurance exchange, which enrolled more than 90 percent of its first month’s target.

        • March 4, 2015 at 4:34 pm
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          CalDude, you are slightly off on your figures as usual. Per the Milwaukee Journal, Wisconsin created 35,021 private sector jobs in year ending in June. While not exemplary, it outstrips Minnesota which was last in the Midwest at 28,712 per the Star Tribune. Let’s not forget that Walker had some big trouble from unions trying to oust him in his first term.

          Minnesota is about the goofiest state in the Midwest. They actually elected a pro wrestler as Governor who was an imbecile. Then, the turned around and elected Al Franken who is equally clueless. Not an impressive resume’ on leaders of a state. I can only assume that the voters brains were frozen on the tundra.

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        • March 10, 2015 at 3:56 pm
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          Cal Dude, Walker operated within the means he is given. Milwaukee is the main reason behind the unemployment.

          • April 2, 2015 at 10:57 am
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            FFA, I heard that Madison played their part in the unemployment issue.

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    Their clothes are too expensive anyway. Just buy their stuff on Ebay. But really, bad interviewer. A million ways out of this that wouldn’t allow for a lawsuit. But they took the lawsuit way.

    Question, is it legal during an interview for an employer to say, this is what you will have to wear, and this only if you take this job, as we brand a certain image, are you OK with that?

    I feel like it gets into a gray area as the person could say “No, I am not OK with that, because A. I cannot fit into that, I am too much overweight; B. I have to wear this hat because of my male pattern baldness which I am sensitive about; C. I wear this scarf over my head at all times because of my religion.” Where can a company draw the line when it comes to hiring someone?

    If a company says we need you in certain meetings with everyone else at say, noon to 1 PM every day if you are to take this job, but that is the time you pray… then is it OK for them to not get you the job?

    • April 2, 2015 at 10:23 am
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      So in our local county jail, they had this Muslim inmate incarcerated. During the month of Ramadan, he must fast from daybreak to sunset. The jail had their own schedule of when feeding time is for prisoners. They didn’t feed him before daybreak and after sunset so he sued. He didn’t win, by the way. Sharia laws do not govern the American Justice system and their rules. They solved it by giving him food on their schedule and he kept it in his cell until he was permitted to eat.



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