3 GOP Senators’ OpEd: Keep Obamacare Subsidies Temporarily

By | March 2, 2015

  • March 2, 2015 at 9:33 am
    ComradeAnon says:
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    Riiight. They don’t have a replacement. They’ve never had a replacement.

    • March 2, 2015 at 12:31 pm
      Destro says:
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      And yet, their lack of a plan is still better than this trainwreck known as the PPACA.

    • March 2, 2015 at 1:32 pm
      John says:
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      Explain exactly how it is a train wreck.

      Our country runs healthcare costs which are double the rest of the industrialized nations. We do this with substandard results.

      That makes it an overpriced system with poor results. This is a system born of the free market system with light regulation. It was a system whereby people were bankrupted and left without healthcare…in the richest country in the world.

      Change, any change is good.

      The correct solution would have been a single payer system…which would have been thwarted by the Republicans.

      So, the Republicans should stop with all this silliness. If they want to do the right thing for the country, start passing legislation which improves the law and lowers costs.

      Never, did they propose any reasonable alternative solution.

      They should follow up on what they promised…revoke it and replace it with their system…..which is currently vaporware.

      • March 2, 2015 at 1:42 pm
        FFA says:
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        Well John, even with subsidies, premiums are not much cheaper then they were.
        Second, no stop loss (max out of pocket).
        Third, enrollment is horrible process. Jam everyone into the system at the same time? Really? Now that open enrollment is closed, people cant get coverage.
        4th, they, for the most part, ignored agents in this process. The trained, seasons agents and replaced them with navigators…

        • March 2, 2015 at 1:58 pm
          FFA says:
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          5th) they did nothing to reign in the underlying factors that have caused the cost to increase.
          6th) Created more tax burden for everyone.
          7th) The Govt has no business butting into private business.

          • March 2, 2015 at 2:21 pm
            FFA says:
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            8th) They want proof of last year income within in 60 days of application when Tax Day is not for another 6 weeks.

          • March 2, 2015 at 2:49 pm
            FFA says:
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            9) All the data breaches that have already happened.
            10) for me to sell this stuff, same training x 2 – One for my Personal License and one for my Business License while getting ZERO CE Credits.

            This is just my top ten. Shall I continue John?

          • March 2, 2015 at 3:40 pm
            Stan says:
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            Please continue, FFA. Because John just articulated for a system that has zero cost to the consumer, just the tax base (specifically the 1%, of which you are not a part).

            Single payer is the right thing to do for the country. End of story.

          • March 2, 2015 at 4:14 pm
            FFA says:
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            Well Stan if you were actually in this industry with your feet on the ground dealing with it, we may have something to discuss. Other wise, find a blog for under employed college grads that still live with their mom.

          • March 2, 2015 at 4:18 pm
            Stan says:
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            There is my FFA, gun’s blazing. Glad to see you still have a little lead left in that pencil, not just cowering behind silence like the Agent’s of the world.

            Still, youre wrong about what is good for the country. Whether or not the ACA makes life hard for you personally couldnt matter less to me. The country needs to be able to see a doctor and healthcare costs too much (access and affordability for those that are too slow or old to follow along).

            Single payer addresses both of these issues. Republicans know this, but prefer inaction to basic governance.

          • March 2, 2015 at 4:35 pm
            FFA says:
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            One mans Basic Governance is another mans Over Governance.

            You really think its just me having issues with this thing?

            Single pay or would do nothing but increase taxes and take away more choices of mine over my personal healthcare.. My health should be my decision and mine only.

            We will never agree on this topic. So, if you want to keep arguing, go look in the mirror. You have Zero experience with this mess and lend nothing credible to the discussion.

          • March 2, 2015 at 4:42 pm
            Stan says:
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            Youre wrong in the same way that the USPS didnt destroy your choice of FedEx or UPS. However, it will lower costs, since UPS and FedEx no longer have monopoly controls and you now have a third option, available at a much cheaper rate (see: zero).

            And I have plenty of experience here, I bought my own coverage on the exchange. It worked great and I could afford it via the subsidy. So why don’t you go shovel the driveway, old man.

          • March 2, 2015 at 4:56 pm
            FFA says:
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            So, you experienced it once – enrollment. Wait till the copays never stop because they wont. Your experience don’t match mine as I have signed up personally about 25. Some took more then 6 hours. I have one from December still waiting on the Medicaid Determination. Maybe you can answer the question, now that open enrollment has passed and she still don’t have her determination – applied for mid December, what can she do? She needs coverage. If she is found to be Medicaid Eligible (which I know because I went through the training twice this year she is not , does she have to take it or can she buy what she wants so she don’t have to change doctors? If you can come up with that answer correctly – I’ll take what you have to say seriously.

            BTW, I have a plow. Gave up the shovel long time ago. Why break my back and get stuck with more copays when I can have a machine do it for me?

          • March 2, 2015 at 4:57 pm
            FFA says:
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            ooppps… Should be – I know she is not because I can read the rules for eligibility.

          • March 2, 2015 at 5:11 pm
            Stan says:
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            Seeing how youre the one that cant get it right, but it worked fine for me and everyone else that I know, perhaps the problem is you? You know, you really shouldnt be blaming your problems on the government. Why dont you take some responsibility for yourself, instead of always blaming the ACA or website for making life hard?

            Heres a better suggestion. Just take some personal responsibility and dont get sick, that way you can avoid the interaction all together.

            Or maybe you should just pipe down because the law is working: its helping those that cannot help themselves.

          • March 2, 2015 at 5:24 pm
            FFA says:
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            Oh. Ok Stan. Your right. Must be me. Ok. Please get a better job because I want to retire and mooch off of you.

          • March 2, 2015 at 5:33 pm
            Stan says:
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            Now you’re talking. It would be fitting, I suppose. Payback for all the subsidies that I took from you. Minus the affordable healthcare, housing, education, and growing economy that you guys had for 30 years. But year, still close.

          • March 2, 2015 at 5:42 pm
            FFA says:
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            You mom got room in her basement for 5 more?

          • March 2, 2015 at 5:50 pm
            Stan says:
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            FFA, you are always welcome, but no friends unfortunately. Not enough Xbox controllers.

          • March 2, 2015 at 5:56 pm
            FFA says:
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            Not friends. Family. I’m supporting 6. Where ever I do land, I am leaving one behind.

          • March 3, 2015 at 11:49 am
            Integrity Matters says:
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            Stan – I want to address your USPS example.

            1)USPS is not a single payer system.
            2)Fedex and UPS, in the private sector does create competition and lower prices.
            3)USPS is not efficient and would be bankrupt if not for the govt allowing it to continue at a significant loss – which proves that Obamacare would follow in the same footsteps if it was a single payer system.
            4) Name 3 three govt run operations that are run efficient enough to break even and not be in a deficit situation. Better yet, name one.

            Get your head out of your butt and try to realize that the govt is inefficient and does not owe anything to anybody. The welfare mentality did not exist prior to FDR, and since then, increasing portions of the population think they are entitled to everything. You should get what you work for, PERIOD.

          • March 3, 2015 at 12:20 pm
            Stan says:
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            IM, that is a cute retort, but youre operating in the world of rational actors, supply meeting demand, and perfect information. In other words, fantasy land.

            Healthcare should – and is – like defense spending: it is the duty of the government to provide it for it’s constituents. Until you advocate for gutting and privatizing military spending, youre a hypocrite about the government’s ability to provide.

            The fact of the matter is that the profit motive has corrosive effects on financial healthcare outcomes. Like gravity, THIS IS A FACT.

          • March 3, 2015 at 2:24 pm
            integrity matters says:
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            Stan – It seems like you are the one living in Fantasyland.

            Show me in the Constitution where the govt is supposed to provide healthcare. Defense spending compared to healthcare is like comparing apples to watermelons. Individuals cannot defend the country by themselves. They can, however, purchase healthcare on their own.

            Explain how you are okay with the govt having the monopoly on healthcare through a single payer system. Hsn’t there been enough evidence of the govts “profit motive” that they just want more reasons to tax us?

            Also, you did not provide the ONE area of govt that is run efficiently enough to break even.

            BTW, stop overloading the likes/dislikes. Its juvenile.

      • March 2, 2015 at 1:53 pm
        KY jw says:
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        I disagree with your statement “Change, any change is good.”

        For the change to be good, it must first *NOT* harm anyone. Too many people lost their coverage or are being penalized for having excellent coverage. Therefore, this change is not good.

        • March 2, 2015 at 5:50 pm
          Agent says:
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          KY, this is right up there with the best posts you have ever done on IJ. I give you four gold stars. The country has been harmed, no question about it. Stan Gruber thinks it is so wonderful for everyone. What an intellect with his three degrees.

          • March 2, 2015 at 6:12 pm
            Stan says:
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            Great, so by that logic, marijuana and drug and texting laws are all poor policy decisions since, by definition, someone ends up in jail which is “harmful.”

            Therefore, because of harm, no change allowed.

            DUMB Agent, honestly this is just so dumb I am in shock that you even fell for it.

            Look at the end of the day, healthcare costs money, and that money, that cost, is best born by those with the greatest ability to pay: the wealthiest 1%.

            Every other nation does it this way with great results. The fact that you cannot accept this tells me two things: 1) you are not a serious person 2) you have no interest in actually making a legislative change since compromise will be a necessary component.

            For these reasons alone, no one should listen to you about anything ever. Because you are a fool.

          • March 3, 2015 at 11:49 am
            KY jw says:
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            Stan, your logic example is flawed. Going to jail for breaking the law is not the fault of the person/entity that wrote the law. You have the choice not to break the law.

            People do not have a choice with health insurance. I still say that a change that harmed citizens through no fault of their own (lost their insurance or have to pay extra because their employer offers excellent coverage), is not a good change.

          • March 3, 2015 at 12:07 pm
            Integrity Matters says:
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            Stan – you are the fool. Once again, your examples don’t hold water because the harm you cite is harm to lawbreakers, which is ridiculous.

            Your poroblem is that you do not have the ability to critically think about cause and effect, especially long term effect.

            Your mentality is creating 2 classes of people, wealthy and poor. No middle class. Eventually, all of the wealthy will be poor because the money will run out (i.e. See Greece).

            Instead of bringing the wealthy down to the poor levels, how about we bring the poor up to the middle class and the middle class up to the wealthy. This is accomplished by hard work and opportunity.

            Providing entitlements discourages hard work to the able bodied person. It creates laziness and complacency.

            This is proven by the increasing number of those young and not so young adults still living at home with mommy and daddy.

          • March 3, 2015 at 1:00 pm
            Stan says:
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            IM, young people living at home has more to do with educational debt levels and systemic changes in the economy than anything else. The fact that you dont get this is telling.

            And KY I agree and disagree, people do have a choice in health insurance, they can go without just as they can choose to break the speed limit, but those choices have consequences.

            That being said, the overwhelming, nearly duress-level of compulsion to get and maintain health insurance is the main driver in increased healthcare costs. All the more reason to allow for single payer: put bargaining power back in the hands of the consumer.

          • March 4, 2015 at 11:35 am
            integrity matters says:
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            Stan – Do you even comprehend what you write? You said-

            “That being said, the overwhelming, nearly duress-level of compulsion to get and maintain health insurance is the main driver in increased healthcare costs. All the more reason to allow for single payer: put bargaining power back in the hands of the consumer.”

            How do you even quantify those statements? Most people buy health insurance for protection of the “what if” and are not under duress to buy it. Those under duress have health conditions that warrant catastrophic protection. Young people don’t usually get sick which is why they do not buy health insurance and also why Obama mandated that they purchase it. He knows that healthcare insurance is unstainable if coverage is only bought by those that get sick. In the underwriting world, this is called being adversely selected against.

            Healthcare insurance is expensive because healthcare is expensive. If we could find a way to lower the cost of healthcare (i.e. doctors and hospitals) we could lower the cost of healthcare.

            Also, what “bargaining power” does the consumer have with a single payer system? What do they have to negotiate with? It’s a monopoly and no competition. Are you really that foolish or did you hear someone on MSNBC say this?

            Regarding the young people living at home due to educational debt, that could explain some. How do you explain the ones that did not go to college and still live at home?

            How do you explain how the ones that have college debt and do NOT live at home can afford to live on their own? My three kids all have significant college debt and are independent, living on their own. None of them make more than $30K. Yet, they are working hard to be responsible for themselves.

          • March 4, 2015 at 12:00 pm
            Stan says:
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            Duress means stresses so great so as to effectively eliminate free-will. In the case of healthcare, the consequences and unforseability of being sick and without insurance are so great, a person effectively doesnt have a choice in whether or not to buy. This is why prices go up.

            A similar situation takes place with higher Ed: the outcomes of not having a college degree are so bad, a young person effectively has no choice but to go to school if they want a decent wage. This means that colleges can – and did – raise prices with reckless abandon.

            And consumers dont need bargaining power with single payer, you dipshit. They have FREE healthcare. This alternative to the currently expensive marketplace is power. In the same way that a 2nd job offer gives you power over your current job. This is super simple stuff, man.

            The only losers in single payer are insurance companies (which you seem to love) and the 1% who pays for everyone else.

            And I have no opinion to your kids other than to say that I am sorry for their loans and incomes. 30 years ago, they would have had more opportunity, before republicans ruined the country.

      • March 2, 2015 at 2:00 pm
        Dave says:
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        Yeah, because the government runs everything else so good. Post Office, Amtrak, Social Security (bankrupt), Medicare (bankrupt), Welfare (destroyed the Black family unit), Department of Energy (to make us energy independent, something which might actually happen DESPITE the department), Schools and soon will mess up the Internet

        • March 2, 2015 at 2:06 pm
          Always Amazed says:
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          And now the internet as we know it. Nice going.

          • March 2, 2015 at 2:10 pm
            Always Amazed says:
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            http://www.moodyradio.org/brd_ProgramDetail.aspx?id=156274\

            For all you liberals who think net neutrality is a good thing – guess again.

          • March 2, 2015 at 2:49 pm
            BS says:
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            Personally, I’m for net neutrality, but would be curious to see the arguments against it. I tried opening your link, but am unable to listen to a podcast at work. Is there a transcript, or can you summarize?

            Thanks!

          • March 2, 2015 at 3:23 pm
            Get your facts straight says:
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            Is it net neutrality you do not like, or the government stepping in to try to turn it into a utility?

          • March 2, 2015 at 4:13 pm
            Rosenblatt says:
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            I’m with BS – I can’t access your podcast link at work, AA. Can you share a transcript or something similar?

          • March 2, 2015 at 5:18 pm
            Always Amazed says:
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            You can go to this website at home and listen to it at your leisure if you’d like. Sorry, I do not have a transcript.

          • March 2, 2015 at 5:54 pm
            Agent says:
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            Hey Always, I have a good one for you that came in from an email buddy.

            “Things I Trust More Than Obama”

            1. Mexican Tap Water
            2. A skunk with a pet me sign.
            3. A Hillary Clinton War Story
            4. Bill Clinton disavowing an affair
            5. Jimmy Carter’s foreign policy
            6. Brian Williams reporting
            7. Emails from a Nigerian prince
            8. Ebola

          • March 3, 2015 at 10:16 am
            Always Amazed says:
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            Hi Agent,

            Boy your post got shot down before I had the chance to even read it. However, I do agree with all your points. And I see my link on the internet invasion did as well. The old adage does go: you can’t fix stupid. If the liberals believe in their heart-of-hearts that this government grab of the internet isn’t going to make any difference in the way we use the internet – well – that must be some strong cool-aide they are drinking. This bill was 322 pages long and we the people were kept from reading any part of it and the same went for our health care bill. They had to pass it so we could find out what is in it. Taxes will be implemented from what I could tell, right after April 15th or soon there after. Religious freedoms are already being taken away but not the porn sights. Those sights are flourishing. It’s a very sad world we live in – the not so blind are leading the blind and they seem to think that a bigger government is good thing. Well, I don’t.

      • March 2, 2015 at 2:21 pm
        integrity matters says:
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        For crying out loud, John, please stop listening to and believing the BS you hear from MSNBC.

        Please quantify what you mean by “substandard results”. Heathcare and healthcare insurance is two different things. The healthcare in the US is near the top, if not the best, in the world.

        FFA has outlined some very good reasons. One of the biggest train wrecks is still to come. The actual cost of this thing once it comes to fruition will exceed any of the previous projections. Especially if Obama gets his way with his immigration amnesty and all the illegal aliens line up for free healthcare.

      • March 2, 2015 at 4:32 pm
        Agent says:
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        John, you sound like a representative from HHS. Totally off base and promoting something that has been a train wreck from the date of passage. Change in this case was not good since it was a Progressive program, they lied to the American people over and over, there was supposed to be $2,500 savings for the average family, Gruber thought the American People were too stupid to make their healthcare choices and the fruits of the mandates are just now being felt. No, single payer is not the answer since it promises to be even more expensive. Yes, Republicans did propose alternative solutions at Blair House and were brushed aside in favor of Obamacare. You couldn’t be more wrong if you were Stan.

        • March 2, 2015 at 10:08 pm
          Stan says:
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          Agent, you ignorant slut, R’s have never once proposed a working alternative to our broken healthcare system. Case in point, the ACA was actually a conservative idea first proposed by the Heritage Foundation.

          The Republicans are for the 1% at the expense of everyone else. Grow up.

    • March 5, 2015 at 1:38 pm
      Celtica says:
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      Dear Comrade Anon — the only place the GOP has to go on this is to embrace the single payer plan as their replacement solution.

  • March 2, 2015 at 2:12 pm
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    Since the insurance companies doubled their premiums with O’bama care, will the premiums go back to pre-O;bamacare if the subsidies are stopped, or is this another way for the insurance companies to rip us off. We were paying $350/mo. for my husbands insurance-go to any doc. Now, without subsidies it would be over $700/mo. and NONE of his previous docs will take covered california. He has to go to a teaching hospital. Doesn’t anyone know this! No! you can’t keep your own doctor. I’ve been told by some of them (whom he can’t see now) that they are being offered less than Medicare pays (as little as 55%) Is this just a giant scam to enrich the already bulging insurance companies coffers?

    • March 2, 2015 at 4:18 pm
      FFA says:
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      Susan Jan, nothing ever goes back to the way it was after the govt sticks their nose where it don’t belong.

      The ins companies can only make a small profit (80/20 MLR). Its the hospitals cleaning up on it.

  • March 2, 2015 at 2:41 pm
    Sarah says:
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    IJ, Like usual you show your bias here. But the reason the want to keep the status quo is we have to find a way to deal with the mess that this law created. Then fix it going forward.

  • March 2, 2015 at 5:11 pm
    FFA says:
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    Regardless of any ones opinion, they just cant yank the subsidy away over night. People need time to adjust the budgets.

    • March 2, 2015 at 5:58 pm
      Agent says:
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      I agree FFA. 3 Republican Senators are proposing we keep the subsidies at least until the Supreme Court rules on them. The hardships of this Democratic partisan law are just now hitting and several million will be affected if they yank them overnight.

      • March 3, 2015 at 10:46 am
        Stan says:
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        I love it, Agent spend the better part of a year bitching about the ACA, but when it comes time to remove it, he cowers once again behind the Supreme Court, asking them to do the dirty work.

        What a small small man you are, Agent.

  • March 3, 2015 at 8:37 am
    louie says:
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    way, way, way, off topic here, but here’s my question for Stan, and it’s one that’s been bugging me for a while. Others can feel free to chime in as well.

    Why XBox instead of PlayStation? I bought a used PS3 a year or so ago and love it…you can get used games for less than $10. most of them I can’t play around my kids, but it’s still a blast.

    • March 3, 2015 at 10:50 am
      Stan says:
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      I bought an Xbox because that is what all my friends have. I dont think that there is a substantive difference between the two (both have cheap games). I would just get whatever your friends have so you can swap games / play together.

      FFA also has an Xbox, so you can play with us in my mom’s basement if you like. There might be marijuana there in order to keep the Agent’s of the world at bay, though.

      • March 4, 2015 at 11:59 am
        Destro says:
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        Xbox? Playstation? More like #PCMasterRace

  • March 3, 2015 at 11:10 am
    louie says:
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    I had to give up the marijuana my final year of college…enjoyed it, but sometimes it made me paranoid. To each their own. I’ll bring some cheap beer and we’ll get some wings.

    Stan, you’re a smart guy. I don’t always (or usually, for that matter) agree with you, but you definitely have a strong intellect and have some real potential. I wish you all the best.

    • March 3, 2015 at 5:29 pm
      Stan says:
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      I appreciate the kind words. I’ve actually improved my lot in life quite a bit over the last six months. However, I didnt want to bring it up to the Agents and FFA’s of the world. They prefer their liberals to be whiners. So I kept it to myself. Out of respect.

      • March 6, 2015 at 10:53 am
        FFA says:
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        I guess Blue Moons do happen. Good to know you have improved your self as no one is going to do that for you or any one for that fact.
        Smoke Dope – don’t Smoke dope… You are the only one that has to deal with the consequences. Your choice to or not to. Me personally, I just don’t care.
        No Stan, I don’t have an x box or any other gaming system. My time at home is spent raising kids with issues due to all parents being pot heads. That’s one way to get your kids to hate you. Make the dope more important then the kids… Not fun dealing with the hate in such little kids.

  • March 3, 2015 at 2:00 pm
    Trust me I am not a liberal says:
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    Wow. A lot of liberals on here today, spewing their stupid liberal-ness. Poor things. They probably think it was a bad idea for Netanyahu to speak before Congress today, too.

    • March 3, 2015 at 3:40 pm
      Stan says:
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      This is a comment that is angry yet still says nothing. Perfectly Republican. Bravo.

      • March 3, 2015 at 3:55 pm
        Trust me I am not a liberal says:
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        Yes, and I spew vitriol, I love Fox News, I hate children/old people/poor people/black people. Oh, and asses named Stan.

      • March 3, 2015 at 4:19 pm
        Stan says:
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        I doubt you hate old people, since that is your main voting block. I bet youre a big Fred Thompson plan too. “WE CAN GET YOU THE MONEY YOU NEED TO ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT, JUST LIKE REAGAN WOULD HAVE WANTED!”

        lol idiot.

      • March 3, 2015 at 4:25 pm
        Stan says:
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        BTW, I saw today your republicans passed a homeland security bill free of any restrictions on Obama’s immigration reform. Looks like another cowardly day for Republicans. No shocker there.

        • March 4, 2015 at 11:11 am
          Trust me I am not a liberal says:
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          Now who’s being an angry little piss-ant, Stan?? Your seething is showing!

          • March 4, 2015 at 3:07 pm
            KY jw says:
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            That was not “seething.” That was more snark & sarcasm.

        • March 4, 2015 at 11:24 am
          Stan says:
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          I was mocking you, dummy.

    • March 5, 2015 at 1:34 pm
      Celtica says:
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      Dear Trust me — about that Netanyahu thingy…he and the GOP used each other for their own purposes. Was it bad form to invite a foreign leader in direct opposition to the president’s wishes? Yep, it was. Israel needs to protect themselves, no doubt about it. But they also need to develop their own dialogue with treaty talks that doesn’t involve pitting the U.S. parties against each other.

      Can’t wait for the Putin invitation.

      • March 6, 2015 at 2:29 pm
        Trust me I am not a liberal says:
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        Celtica–it was NOT the wrong decision to have the leader of Israel speak before congress. It wasn’t Netanyahu that pitted out parties against each other. I’d have to put that blame on the fool residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and his advisors.

        • March 6, 2015 at 4:37 pm
          Ron says:
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          Trust me I am not a liberal,

          This country has been no more divided now than the years leading up to President Obama being elected.

          Do the Republicans bear any blame? What have they done, except try to make President Obama a one-term president, to unite the country?

      • March 6, 2015 at 3:00 pm
        louie says:
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        the only thing “wrong” with Netanyahu addressing Congress is that Boehner et al did not follow protocol and go through the White House. That being said, Obama and the Dems who boycotted the speech made it worse. Had they all just attended the speech, this would not have been a political issue.

        Israel is our strongest ally in the Middle East. Netanyahu is right to demand only the best deal for his country when it comes to their safety. We cannot allow Iran access to nuclear weapons, not when their regime has been an open sponsor of terrorism since the late ’70’s. They have openly called for the destruction of Israel and America. They recently conducted an exercise where they destroyed a mock-up of an American aircraft carrier…why would we even think of making a deal with them?

  • March 3, 2015 at 2:28 pm
    Always Amazed says:
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    Exactly, Trust Me.

  • March 6, 2015 at 2:31 pm
    Trust me I am not a liberal says:
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    **our*** parties….



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