Google Dupes Insurance Buyers: Insurance Agent Executive

By | May 18, 2015

  • May 18, 2015 at 1:23 pm
    steve says:
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    one of my agency clients called a few weeks ago and said his auto prem with me had gone up considerably. he had a quote from the lizard for less. I pointed out the lizard didn’t have a local office that paid local taxes, hired local people to staff, donated to every fund raising activity the local community had, so sure they could afford to be less premium. he stayed with me. for now.
    I lost another long time client after he got a lower quote from the lizard, but he wound up going down the street to my competitor and not to the lizard after I gave him the same speech. at least I kept the business in town!

    • May 20, 2015 at 2:12 pm
      wayne smith says:
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      If I wanted to donate to local fund raising activities, I would do it myself, not look for an insurance carrier to bake it into my rates and pass it along for me. Insurance is a commodity for the most part and price is the most important thing to the buyer.

      • May 23, 2015 at 3:02 am
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        Wayne, when you have a claim and your “full coverage” policy doesn’t cover your claim, I hope you get a good lawyer to sue your commoditized insurance company policy since it’s all the same. And Steve meant the insurance Agency/Agent donating from its own pocket and being involved locally which doesn’t factor into your rates.

  • May 18, 2015 at 1:54 pm
    Henry Vogel says:
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    I did not know that Overstock.com sold auto insurance. Just curious, what insurance company has an excess of insurance that they can afford to discount to Overstock? Or maybe their prices are not as good as they advertise!

  • May 18, 2015 at 1:55 pm
    Jon says:
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    The only people who really should use direct-to-consumer insurance products are those who are actually knowledgable about the industry.

    Everyone else is setting themselves up to get screwed over when they find out the coverage they expected is not what they ended up purchasing…

    Additionally, they offer great rates–until you have an accident. And then your premium skyrockets–and suddenly the consumer is back to a traditional agent who will place them with a better company.

    • May 18, 2015 at 2:53 pm
      Agent says:
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      Yes Jon, the low information people that live on their cell phone and think they can make informed decisions using it are going to be surprised to find they don’t get what they thought they were getting. Quotes are done without running reports and then when the policy is issued, they often find the policy is twice as much and may not have the coverage they thought. These people also don’t have an ounce of loyalty in them and they will move every year until they run out of places to move to.

      • May 20, 2015 at 2:14 pm
        wayne smith says:
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        I have used insurance agents for home and auto for about 25 years and I can safely say that all of them jump to price and then point out that most of the coverages are the same. I’ve never been blown away by the “added value” of an agent in the process of a commodity like home and auto insurance.

  • May 18, 2015 at 2:04 pm
    Questionning says:
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    Don’t you think Travel Agents and Travel Agencies had that same argument about expertise and consumer advocacy before Expedia, Priceline, Trip Advisor, Hotels.com came into play? When was the last time you passed a Travel Agency on your local Main Street?

    • May 18, 2015 at 2:19 pm
      Bruce says:
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      Good point – IMO, I think the insurance sector will suffer some major blindsides by increasing technology.

    • May 18, 2015 at 4:10 pm
      Bill says:
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      The only real similarity between a travel agent and an insurance agent is the word “agent.” Planning a trip to Las Vegas isn’t the same as entering into a complex legal contract where a mistake can result in you losing significant assets and income to the point of bankruptcy. You can now get a will online but I haven’t noticed a shortage of attorneys as a result.

      • May 19, 2015 at 1:27 pm
        FLIns/agent says:
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        Bill, thank you for that answer. Thats one person who doesnt understand what can really be lost by not having the proper coverage. I’ve found through out my 20 year career that its a rare person that understands their insurance policy.

      • May 19, 2015 at 5:13 pm
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        You are right Bill. Travel agents book vacation packages, cruises, excursions on the vacations etc. Kind of different to an insurance agent protecting the assets of a policyholder.

  • May 18, 2015 at 2:06 pm
    Underwriter says:
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    Just goes to show that when the market is softening everyone wants on the bandwagon. This will just harden the market that much quicker. As the article said, the only real losers are the consumers.

    • May 18, 2015 at 4:13 pm
      Bill says:
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      When you read articles about Google, Walmart, Overstock, et al., the focus is almost always on profitability and market share of insurance industry players. Virtually (no pun intended) NOTHING is written about the consumers who are being deluded into buy inferior products and service.

      • May 20, 2015 at 2:15 pm
        wayne smith says:
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        Being that you likely know nothing about the actual product they are selling, could you point out all the ways that the products are inferior? Apparently, everyone here thinks consumers are idiots and too dumb to look out for their own interests.

      • May 22, 2015 at 5:42 pm
        InsGuy says:
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        @ Bill: Isn’t the headline of this story you’re commenting on saying the consumer is being duped by Google?

        • May 25, 2015 at 9:54 pm
          Bill says:
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          Yes. Google’s premise is essentially that with a list of insurance company names and premiums, consumers can make an informed decision.

  • May 18, 2015 at 2:09 pm
    Arthur says:
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    They don’t discount the insurance they sell lower limits unknown to the buyer. They save money when their client has a claim and only pay out $10,000 on a $30,000 PD Claim

  • May 18, 2015 at 2:15 pm
    insurance_guy says:
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    Yes, people are making a big stink over nothing. It is as I have always said, it’s only a comparison website. Google itself is not underwriting the policies nor are they servicing it.

  • May 18, 2015 at 3:05 pm
    Are you looking down the road? says:
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    Do you think Google is going to stop with selling personal auto insurance? Hardly. They own Nest and other companies and they are positioning themselves for the long term, with other lines of business. They need to be taken seriously, and for those who do not, best of luck in the years to come.

  • May 18, 2015 at 4:06 pm
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    • May 18, 2015 at 4:18 pm
      Bill says:
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      “There is nothing difficult about auto, homeowners or umbrella polices and they can be commoditized. They already are. Anyone who doesn’t think so is engaging in wishful thinking.”

      The differences between these products from one carrier to another, along with their claims practices (including varying interpretations of the same wording), are many and they are significant.

      Two articles to illustrate:

      “Price Check”
      http://www.iamagazine.com/magazine/read/2014/07/01/price-check

      “The Google Compare Illusion”
      http://www.independentagent.com/Education/VU/Pages/featured-resources/Commodity/WilsonGoogle.aspx

      • May 28, 2015 at 9:46 am
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        Explain to me how the captive agent can help with the problem that you have pointed out which is “the differences between these products from one carrier to another, along with their claims practices (including varying interpretations of the same wording), are many and they are significant.”

        He only has one carrier. So for all the captive agents, your point is irrelevant and they are more impaired than the internet sites….which all have multiple carriers.

        • April 7, 2016 at 12:28 pm
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          I had independent agents in mind when I made the comment, but at least a captive agent should know his or her own policy form(s) and be able to determine if it meets the needs of a prospect. If the prospect is doing this online without the aid of an agent, he or she would never know if they’re making the appropriate decision because they don’t know the differences between the list of insurers and premiums.

    • May 18, 2015 at 4:24 pm
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      John, I am a captive agent and I am not concerned. I have great rates, outstanding service, and am a professional. You indicate captive agents are salesman for high priced products with no unique characteristic’s. That’s a very broad brush you are using. My clientele would disagree with that statement and quite simply there is more to a policy than price. Last but not least I wrote a home and auto today, and yes my price was better than the carrier whom is serviced outside the captive market.

  • May 18, 2015 at 4:46 pm
    Bill says:
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    “There is nothing difficult about auto, homeowners or umbrella polices and they can be commoditized. They already are. Anyone who doesn’t think so is engaging in wishful thinking…I look at the insurance agents making these comments and I wonder what fantasy land are they in.”

    As someone who has studied and compared hundreds of insurance policies of all types over many years, along with responding to well over 50,000 coverage and claims questions, I can, without equivocation, say that the differences between insurance policies and claims practices of insurers are many and significant, some in a catastrophic sense.

    Auto insurance is NOT a commodity nor can it be. I can give example after example of real-life claim denials of six figures or more where someone bought the wrong policy for their unique needs. Visit this web page and read the articles entitled “Price Check” and “The Google Compare Illusion”:

    http://www.independentagent.com/Education/VU/Pages/featured-resources/Commodity/default.aspx

    “There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man’s lawful prey.” – John Ruskin

    • May 18, 2015 at 5:38 pm
      Agent says:
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      Good one Bill. Poor John thinks he is going to get good advice from a computer geek. He does so at his own peril. I am sure there are poor agents out there who don’t do well for their customers on explaining insurance coverage, particularly the Captives, but as a whole, the Independent Agents do the best and certainly 1000% better than some computer idiot who isn’t even licensed to sell.

      • May 18, 2015 at 9:30 pm
        Bill says:
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        There are too many agents, underwriters, adjusters, and others who SHOULD know more than they do. Too many who don’t or can’t read policy forms. Too many who read them and don’t understand them. Too many who read them and have some level of understanding, but can’t or won’t apply them to specific coverage or claim scenarios.

        Too often training, education, and mentoring programs are the first to go when there is belt tightening. Or it’s viewed by the ignorant and uninitiated as a cost rather than an investment. And isn’t it interesting that this decline has largely coincided with the growth of the CE industry where “education” diploma mills granting 24 hours of CE credit for 24 minutes of effort pass as “education.”

        But that’s a discussion for another day.

  • May 18, 2015 at 6:21 pm
    Jay says:
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    John…seriously? I serve as a technical insurance expert, insurance education specialist, and expert witness. I can guaranty you that there is a difference in policies…personal auto, home, and umbrella are no exception to that rule. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. Low price is great until the coverage denial comes in the mail. Some people brag about getting the low price now, but they’re the first to complain when they got what they paid for.

  • May 18, 2015 at 10:26 pm
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    Lizard customer: “They denied my claim!”
    Non lizard customer: “That’s your 15% savings…”

    • May 19, 2015 at 9:46 am
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      Good one 14. Yes, they saved 15% for a couple hundred dollars and it cost them several thousand on the denied claim. I wonder how a customer sues GEICO for E&O. Uncle Warren has a legion of attorney’s to help get them out of any mess.

      • May 19, 2015 at 10:19 am
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        They probably can’t sue for E&O as they selected the product themselves. No agent to make a mistake.

        They *can* and probably should, sue for bad faith/unfair claims practices.

        And get the DOI involved.

        • May 19, 2015 at 10:47 am
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          Jon, couldn’t they allege that the geek on the phone did not advise them on higher limits or quote better coverage before the decision was made? You are right that there was not an agent on the company line and that is how it goes. Buyer Beware!

          • May 22, 2015 at 9:21 am
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            Agent, probably not. The “geek” on the phone isn’t a licensed agent, and is not covered by any bond.

            And ultimately, when you purchase direct, you are the final arbiter on what products you choose and at what level of coverage.

            I’m comfortable researching companies and their claims handling practices and purchasing direct for auto coverage, as I’ve handled thousands of auto claims over the years, but I still use a traditional agent for my HO coverage, and ultimately, my umbrella coverage, because that’s truly where you want to make sure you’re absolutely covered to the best of your ability.

          • May 22, 2015 at 9:56 am
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            I’m not aware of any states that wouldn’t require someone accepting an application for insurance or discussing coverage and limits to be licensed.

            It is probably more important for the typical consumer to use an agent when procuring auto insurance vs. just about any other type because the liability exposure is VASTLY greater.

          • May 22, 2015 at 12:30 pm
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            Jon, I am a bit surprised that you buy your Auto direct, but use an agent for Home when there are substantial bundling credits available with most carriers when you do both with the same company. By the way, does the carrier writing your Home provide an Umbrella over the Auto carriers limits? Most of mine don’t. Both have to be on the same paper or they won’t provide it. Perhaps you have a separate stand alone Umbrella carrier. Great! Three carriers to write your coverage.

          • May 28, 2015 at 9:10 am
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            Agent, the real difference for me is price/quality of service. Right now, even with my employee discount from my employer, it’s still cheaper to buy my auto direct, based on the discount my wife’s employer has with the direct carrier.

            I don’t have an umbrella yet, as I’m not yet at the point where it’s fiscally needed. I’m actually a little over-insured compared to my assets currently. However, when my assets increase further, I’ll probably look to a traditional agent for bundling purposes.

        • May 21, 2015 at 5:30 pm
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          A knowledgeable trial lawyer could make a case where the advertising mantra was, “You get the SAME COVERAGE, often for less.” If the carrier saying this denies a claim covered by an “ISO standard” or other policy, wasn’t the prospect mislead into believing that all policies are the same?

  • May 19, 2015 at 8:13 am
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    Until the carriers stop high pressure sales tactics on the agents, I doubt we will see agents focus their energy on being properly educated on the insurance contracts. Carriers want agents to produce so many policies per month, and are threatening to cancel appointments if quotas are not met. If I were a Nationwide or Allstate agent, I would be the most concerned since these companies offer direct sales. Be careful which mouth you feed, as you are helping fund your demise agents…

  • May 19, 2015 at 9:58 am
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    • May 25, 2015 at 10:00 pm
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      No agent I know of gets a 30% commission on an auto policy. They’re lucky to get 10%. If it’s an independent agent that incurred most of the marketing and placement costs, any auto account they don’t retain for several years is a financial loss.

  • May 20, 2015 at 8:07 am
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    It is always entertaining when you run across a low information person who thinks that auto insurance pricing has a direct relationship to whether it is purchased through an agent or a call center.

    • May 20, 2015 at 2:21 pm
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      Yes, paying commissions for carriers comes out of thin air and has nothing to do with price….yeah, sure.

      • May 21, 2015 at 5:27 pm
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        The agent commission funds much more than pure acquisition costs and represents a value to both the insurer and insured.

  • May 20, 2015 at 2:47 pm
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    When a company spends a billion dollars a year on advertising, that amount gets passed on to the consumer. So they may not have a large agency force, but their ad spend is extremely high. So Geico has traded one expense for another. Anyone who has 2 brain cells can figure this out wayne.

    • May 20, 2015 at 4:06 pm
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      I can respond with one brain cell and the other tied behind my back. Geico spends about 6% of DWP on advertising. Add another 4% for direct sales expense. These two numbers combined are certainly less that policy acquisition expense for IA carriers. Not exactly a “traded” expense.

      • May 20, 2015 at 5:47 pm
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        So is the 4% direct sales expense paid to the geek on the end of the wats line for his wonderful advice on limits, coverage and working up his reportless quotes? Do they build in the expense of E&O claims when the customer files suit for improper coverage after an accident?

      • May 21, 2015 at 5:25 pm
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        When you consider the value that the agent adds to the process beyond just acquisition, I don’t think there’s much difference in the models…certainly not a 15% difference which is the implication of their antiquated advertising.

        Another point…many independent agency carriers rely almost exclusively on their agency force for advertising and marketing but, unless the agent places the business with them and they pay a commission, there is little cost associated with this advertising and marketing, unlike the GEICO model.

        But, aside from this, notice that virtually all of the discussion on direct sales vs. agent-assisted sales focuses on profitability and market share of INSURERS. Rarely is the impact on the consuming public discussed and they are the ones being harmed by this silly “auto insurance is a commodity” approach.

  • May 21, 2015 at 8:28 am
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    SWFL, I think the point lonestar was making, is that if a consumer buys a direct channel auto product through Progressive or Geico, and if the rate happens to be 10% less than through an agent, it is simply a fluke and it is not because the agent is bypassed. By your own example, Geico’s ad spend and call center cost is at 10%. So if an agent makes 10% or a little more with some carriers, the difference is less than most would imply. I am able to offer better rates than Geico most of the time, so how can that be if the agent channel is “supposed” to be higher all of the time due to an agent? Might want to use the other brain cell behind your back. :)

  • May 21, 2015 at 5:29 pm
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    Lots of good comments. A high focus on “price” is natural for a buyer because it involves an outlay for POTENTIAL delivery of service dependent product in the future. Any marketing approach that focuses on price first is deliberate and reinforces [not in a good way] buyers’ fears of paying too much for a “product” they may not use. The significant risks of being with a company having poor claims practices, poor customer service or worse being uninsured or under-insured are what gives the insurance industry a black eye! What is the answer? Bill & I agree – we all must educate & educate and then do it again! We need to get to the mom’s and dad’s and then their kids before they drive. We need to have some simple case studies “games”/coloring books/aps/etc. – that explain the principles of insurance in simple terms. Basic financial education is lacking across the spectrum and we all need to do our part to educate! The key difference is having the buyer being able to discern the difference between value and price.
    All the best, Frank O’C

    • May 22, 2015 at 10:03 am
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      Frank, in theory you are right about educating buyers about value in their insurance coverage. Many of our customers receive brochures/flyers with their policies done by the carriers. We have given many out ourselves. The problem we have that our society is so distracted, people are worried about their jobs, futures that they don’t pay much attention to anything else.

  • May 22, 2015 at 8:06 pm
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    • May 23, 2015 at 6:12 pm
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      Wow John, you sure have an ax to grind. Did you fail as an agent and now harbor much ill will toward agents? Life is too short dude. Expend your energy into something positive. Peace.

    • May 25, 2015 at 10:08 pm
      Bill says:
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      John, unfortunately you are just wrong about this. Take a few minutes and read this article:

      “Price Check”
      http://www.iamagazine.com/magazine/read/2014/07/01/price-check

      The examples provided are not outliers. I can give you dozens of examples like these where someone chose based solely on price with complete disregard to his or her unique exposures. I am not an agent and have no financial dog in this hunt. My remarks are made based on decades of studying and teaching policy coverages and assisting agents with tens of thousands of contested claims.

  • May 27, 2015 at 5:24 pm
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    Wow. This is quite a bitter group. Comparison sites are complementary to local agents. Having done a ton of research on this, I’d be willing to bet that many of your “cold calls” come from customers who compared rates online first. Keep trying to bit the hand that feeds you.

    • May 27, 2015 at 10:30 pm
      Bill says:
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      I don’t think “bitter” represents the sentiments of most posters. From my own perspective, I’ve grown weary of seeing individuals and families financially impaired or ruined because they didn’t understand that auto insurance is not a commodity where the repercussions of choosing an inferior product can be far graver than choosing the wrong book to read on a rainy day.

  • May 28, 2015 at 8:16 am
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    Agreed Bill. It appears that the “bitter” poster goes by the name of “John”.

    • May 28, 2015 at 3:25 pm
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      14, what are the odds that “bitter John” is one of those Millenial’s who are disappointed they didn’t get a big job offer after college?

  • May 28, 2015 at 11:02 pm
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    “bitter John”… looks like an appropriate handle.



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