Hi FFA. Good to see you back commenting. It is not hard to see why wages have not grown much in the past 5 years, is it? With Healthcare Costs rising, many employers who still have plans are cost shifting to employees. Those deductibles and out of pocket expenses have skyrocketed. No matter how it is sliced, Obamacare has been an unmitigated disaster. No wonder repeal and replace is such a popular idea.
By the way, it is too bad about the Bears prospects. From the highlights I saw, it was mostly low lights. You will just have to cheer the Packers on this year. We lost Romo in Philly and he won’t be back until November, if then. Not sure the back up Weedon can help that much since there is a good reason why he is a back up quarterback.
you do realize that Romo, Brady, and Rodgers were all backups for their first 3-5 years in the NFL, right? Not saying Brandon Weedon is of similar stature, but you can’t dog the back ups.
Don’t forget Steve Young was Montana’s backup too!
September 22, 2015 at 3:34 pm
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Rosenblatt, I think we can all agree that Steve Young was not destined to be a career back up. He was the reason Montana finally left to go to the Chiefs. The rest is history.
September 22, 2015 at 3:43 pm
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Yeah, and Tom Brady was not destined to be Drew Bledsoe’s backup nor Rodgers destined to be Favre’s backup.
I was simply agreeing with Former Status Quo’s comment of “you can’t dog the back ups” and giving another example.
September 22, 2015 at 2:32 pm
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I’m a Packer fan living in Chicago and soaking it all up. Good luck with Weedon.
Dave, the Cowboys are working out 4 quarterbacks this week to back up Weedon. Christian Ponder, formerly with the Vikings, Matt Flynn, formerly with the Packers, Josh Johnson, formerly Tampa Bay and McLeod Bethel-Thompson??? an undrafted practice squad quarterback. It has to be between Ponder and Flynn in my opinion. They have started NFL games and Flynn backed up Rodgers so I lean to him to be the choice.
September 22, 2015 at 3:15 pm
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Agent, I thought Matt Flynn was still with the Jets. I guess not. Having watched him play as a backup for the Packers he’s a keeper if available. I think he holds the Packer record for most TD passes in a game when he got 6 against Detroit in the last game of the 2011 season when they went 15-1.
September 22, 2015 at 3:52 pm
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Rosenblatt, most drafted quarterbacks in the NFL have to serve an apprenticeship and hold that clipboard on the sidelines unless they are pressed into action due to the starter’s injury. Romo had to back up Bledsoe who Jerry Jones mistakenly took for a starter after Bledsoe wore his welcome out in New England. We used to call Bledsoe the Statue of Liberty. He was stationary in the pocket, held the ball over his head and was consistently sacked because he wouldn’t get rid of the ball and his feet were stuck in cement.
September 22, 2015 at 3:59 pm
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Bledsoe was always known as someone who was a great pocket passer with a great deep ball, but someone who couldn’t run or extend plays with his feet.
Bledsoe wasn’t washed up after NE either. He had one of his best years in BUF and if I remember correctly, nearly brought DAL to the playoffs after throwing 3,000+ yards and having at least three or four 4th quarter comebacks.
Would you rather have preferred to see Vinnie Testaverde stay back there for DAL instead of Drew when he came over?
September 22, 2015 at 2:36 pm
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Do you realize that Weedon was a starter when he first came out? He has since proved that he wasn’t a starter and that is why he has been holding the clip board for several years.
Same with Flynn… A Career Back up. McCowon in Cleveland too. Johnny Football needs to get the nod.
The Bears are in trouble this year. No Defense at all… I will NEVER change my allegiance to the Pack… Remember, I am a Cub fan so I am used to the down years….
September 22, 2015 at 3:30 pm
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FFA, The guy Ryan Fitzpatrick, current starter for the Jets has been around with several teams and is basically a career back up who gets his shot, fails and then hooks up with another team desperate for a back up. Flynn is much the same way, but he has shown flashes when he backed up Rodgers. He beat Dallas a few years ago with 5 TD passes while subbing for Rodgers.
I am rooting for your Cubs this year to make it to the playoffs. They look like a different team when I get to see them, which isn’t often. Young blood infusion and a lot of enthusiasm goes a long way along with having a very good manager.
September 22, 2015 at 4:31 pm
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Rosenblatt, Bledsoe ran like a man who was 40 when he was 25. New England realized he wasn’t going to do it and released him. Brady has never been a speed merchant, but he can extend plays and his release is so fast, he rarely gets sacked. Rodgers is much the same way when healthy. Dallas thought when they got those young offensive linemen, they could keep Romo healthy since he doesn’t move well anymore. Philly proved they could get to him. The play he got hurt on was a sack with a fumble. 300 pounds coming down on a quarterback on his shoulder and snap goes the collarbone which had been broken a few years back. They really need to be looking for a quarterback to draft next year to develop or trade for someone languishing on the bench. Jones has a lot of money invested in Romo on a $108 million contract with about $60 million guaranteed. Now they have two high priced players, him & Dez and both won’t be playing anytime soon.
September 22, 2015 at 4:53 pm
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“New England realized he wasn’t going to do it and released him” That’s revisionist history at best. As good as Brady was in 2001 (not great – he was merely a ‘game manager’ back then), there is no way in h3ll the Patriots would’ve won the Super Bowl without Bledsoe.
FACT: New England wouldn’t have even made it past the AFC Championship Game without Drew!
So he was good enough to get it done the game before the Super Bowl, but not good enough to get it done just one game later? Remember: he had one of his best years after leaving NE, so clearly he could still ‘get it done’ after NE traded him.
September 23, 2015 at 10:20 am
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FFA, well Jones pulled another Jones on us. He worked out 4 quarterbacks yesterday and then traded for Matt Cassel with Buffalo of all teams for a draft choice. If a QB can’t start for Buffalo, what team would he ever start for? He could have signed Flynn or Ponder and not given up any draft choices. No doubt we needed a back up to Weedon, but this is another strange Jones deal.
September 23, 2015 at 10:50 am
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Cassel started 15 games (played in all 16 games) for the Patriots in 2008 after Brady went down on the first play of the season, and he went 11-5! Maybe it’s not that he can’t play, but that BUF doesn’t have enough good players surrounding him??
September 25, 2015 at 2:09 pm
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Cassell has always been a good back up. same with Flynn & McCowan. You do do ok with him.
Rosenblatt, the Chiefs thought Cassel would lead them to the promised land after signing him to a big deal a few years ago and he quickly wore out his welcome. By the way, Buffalo is starting a rookie who beat him out. What does that tell you?
It tells me New England coaches put Cassel in a better position to win than KC or BUF.
September 23, 2015 at 2:25 pm
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Rosenblatt, if a veteran quarterback who has started games in the NFL cannot beat out a rookie for the starting job, there is something wrong with that picture. There is a reason why a player is expendable and either is cut or traded for a low round draft choice.
September 23, 2015 at 2:48 pm
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I know. One of those reasons could be “the team didn’t put the player in a position to excel and didn’t change the scheme to fit the player’s strengths.”
September 25, 2015 at 12:55 pm
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FFA, yes it is quite a plan hatched by Obama and his minions and the Health Insurers. Let’s tell them they will save up to $2,500 for a family of four, then increase their rates along with the substandard plans and increase deductibles, Co-pays and maximum out of pocket. Oh, by the way 6 million who liked their plans, you are cancelled and must enroll in our plan or we are going to fine you. I believe the fine inscreases to $695 next year. What a deal!
Rosenblatt, your love affair with Bledsoe is amazing. You give him entirely too much credit. Do you think having a lot of good players on the roster had anything to do with it? I saw him play with every team he played for. He was just a pocket passer with a decent arm. Yes, New England let him go and they saw that Brady was the future. Several Super Bowls later, I think they made a wise decision. Say what you want about Brady being a game manager if you like, he just does it better than anyone else and he doesn’t beat himself.
No love affair here, I’m just giving Bledsoe his fair share of credit – especially for coming in mid-game and leading a comeback win in the AFC Champ game against PIT in 2001.
I agree he was a pocket passer with a decent arm. Yes, definitely being surrounded by good players helped him – and every NFL player for that matter. I agree Brady was obviously the better long-term solution too.
Just one point to clarify: I only said Brady was a game manager when he won his first Super Bowl in 2001. Clearly he has become much more than that over the past 15 years.
Dave, you can also keep your higher deductibles, higher out of pocket expenses and your reduced access to doctors and hospitals. The left will just say, another reason for single payer government insurance. Let’s just increase the Federal Government by another 50,000 employees and have Death Panels and that will solve the senior issue.
Dave please ask the six million policyholders if they liked their plan and doctors who had their policies cancelled last year because they did not conform with the ACA requirements. The words you quote is a direct statement by Obama who promised millions of Americans with health insurance that “if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan” Surely your statement is in jest?
Patriot, Dave is one of the good guys. The more he posts, the better you will like what he has to say. He does like to mock the leftists and Barry as you have seen.
Since most people, especially Republicans have said that healthcare costs are the problem, not insurance premiums, how come everyone has so far glossed over this quote from the article?
“While it’s absolutely true that we’ve been living in a period of an historic slowdown in healthcare costs, it’s almost invisible to consumers,” Kaiser Foundation Chief Executive Officer Drew Altman said in an interview.
It sounds like there is more to the story than just healthcare costs.
Ron, it is really simple to understand, even for you. 1. The economy has never recovered from the recession despite several recovery summers and a failed Stimulus. Growth has languished from 1.5 to 2% growth rate. Wages have stagnated for the Middle Class. 2. Obamacare has offered plans with high deductibles, high out of pocket expenses so people cannot afford to go to the doctor as much because they don’t have the money to pay. With a labor participation rate as low as the Carter years, people just don’t have the income to afford the Affordable Care Act. Get it yet? Don’t bother to trot out your Single Payer promotion again because that would be twice as bad as the bad law that we have currently.
First, your post has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Shocking would you go on an irrelevant rant.
Second, funny you should mention Carter and the labor participation rate together. Did you know that we experience the greatest 4 year increase in the LPR during his administration?
Finally, you do not KNOW that Single Payer would be worse. It has never been tried in this country. If want to say that it is your opinion that it would be twice as bad, that would be acceptable.
When it comes to anything that would poo poo a democrat, you say we don’t know that it would be worse.
Unless it is a republican plan, then suddenly we have all the evidence.
It’s more than funny you bring up and defend Jimmy Carter, you, the moderate, defended Jimmy Carter. The labor participation rate, BOY is relevant to Reagan vs Obama because of the following:
Not only did the labor participation rate rise during Obama, the unemployment rate dropped. Obama has done the exact opposite. The labor rate going down now is the direct reason why the unemployment rate is going down. People are leaving the workforce.
For Jimmy Carter, I will say again: FALSE EQUIVALENCY.
“Second, funny you should mention Carter and the labor participation rate together. Did you know that we experience the greatest 4 year increase in the LPR during his administration?”
Trying to one up your elders who clearly know more history than you, on an aspect like this…Like a know it all…
You don’t know crap about Carter if you thought that statement reflects well on Carter or is comparable to Agent’s past comments on the LPR.
Alternatively if you do know better and just want to make Agent out to be a hypocrite, you’re manipulating the conversation.
Either you’re an idiot or an unethical piece of trash.
bob, do you call people boy so much that you automatically respond to your own comment to defend your insult? do you realize you never actually called him boy? nobody would ask you why you called ron a boy because you did not. duh. also FALSE EQUIVALENCY!! you say that so much i wanted to say it too. boy, that was fun
September 23, 2015 at 7:54 am
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bob,
You and Agent are the absolute worst when it comes to comprehension.
How was I defending President Carter? All I did was point out an actual fact. Did I give President Carter or any of his policies credit? NO!!!!!!!!!! But that is what happened.
You and Agent have constantly compared the current LPR to the past. Does that make you and Agent’s ignorance also astounding? Why can’t I compare the LPR when President Carter took office to when he left?
I am not trying to one up anybody. I would be happy if you and Agent would actually read and accurately comprehend my posts. You both have to either put words in my mouth, twist what I said, assume I meant something that I did not write, or flat out ignore what I wrote just to make your argument work.
I already know why you insult others and use titles like boy and child. You are an insecure, inferior loser who needs to put others down in order to lift yourself up. That is what makes you the worst kind of debater and why you never win arguments.
You said, “Alternatively if you do know better and just want to make Agent out to be a hypocrite, you’re manipulating the conversation.” Agent makes himself out to be a hypocrite. I am just pointing it out with evidence. Unlike you and Agent who label people without evidence.
“Either you’re an idiot or an unethical piece of trash.
Which one Ron?”
Nice debating tactic.
bob, have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no?
See, 2 can play that game.
September 23, 2015 at 11:06 am
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Bob, did you mean to say that the labor participation rate rose under Reagan and under Obama it has fell to the same as during Carter? The facts are that Reagan put the country back to work and Carter was the worst excuse for a President we have had in my lifetime until Obama came along.
How about a good example of Carter’s ineptitude? During an energy crisis, his energy plan was to turn the heat down in the winter and put on a sweater. Whoop de doo! What a brilliant plan.
Ron, as usual, you don’t understand anything Dave or I say on the reasons why Obamacare is an abysmal failure from the starting line through today. You don’t seem to understand that Progressivism as a policy is a bad idea for America. Why am I not surprised? You are, afterall a New Yorker and I am from fly over land who has common sense. Total government control of all facets of our society is either Socialism on steroids or pure Communism. How did it work out for the former Soviet Union? Regarding Carter, he is now in second place as the worst President in our history. Reagan managed to recover the economy, but it took a while to do it. I was a young man back then and the economic malaise was palpable and no one thought they had a future of success had it continued. Thank God for Ronald Reagan. I hope to visit his library some day.
I completely understand what you, Dave and every other righty says about the PPACA. I AGREE WITH YOU!!!! If you have not been paying attention for the past 5 years, I am against the PPACA. Just because I point out that it has not impacted the economy and jobs as much as you think, does not mean I am an advocate for the law. It means I believe in facts more than talking points and false, empty rhetoric.
I know you are an emotional thinker, but sometimes you need to put your emotions aside and actually accept facts.
When have I advocated for Socialism, the true definition, or Communism?
When have I ever defended President Carter? The only reason I bring up the LPR is to show how meaningless it is as a statistic when measuring a president’s performance. If it can increase the most during the second worst presidency, does it really mean anything?
Yes, thank God for Ronald Reagan. Let’s also thank the principles of Keynes and Friedman that were both applied during that time.
Ron, you are right that I am emotional and I also know right from wrong. Was it the movie Broadcast News that the late, great Peter Finch uttered one of the greatest lines ever when he said – I am mad as he– and I am not going to take it any more. That is how I feel about the direction of this country and the total failure of your hero that you voted for twice.
September 25, 2015 at 9:09 am
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Agent,
Finally you have admitted your biggest flaw, emotions. That is why you fail to use, analyze and comprehend facts.
Remember, right from wrong is relative. I honestly believe that I do know right from wrong also.
September 23, 2015 at 10:28 am
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Ron, the prison warden in “Cool Hand Luke” famously said- what we have here is a failure to communicate. Bob, Dave and I give you history and the truth and you call us righties. That makes you a lefty since you oppose us at every opportunity. You just can’t get rid of those Progressive Socialist beliefs, can you?
how can you honestly say ron opposes you at every opportunity when he has stated many times he is also against the PPACA?
does that mean you are for the PPACA or that you were wrong and he does agree with you sometimes?
September 23, 2015 at 11:07 am
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Agent,
We do not have a failure to communicate. You and most of your righty friends have a failure to comprehend.
You call yourself a righty.
When have I disagreed with any truth or history you, Dave or bob have provided without providing my own facts and source(s)? I have actually agreed with you that President Carter was not a good president and President Reagan has been the best president in my lifetime.
See, I do not oppose you at every turn. Maybe that’s because I am NOT a lefty.
Please list all of my Progressive Socialist beliefs, citing what I said and when I said it.
September 23, 2015 at 2:40 pm
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Ron, please read Ecclesiastes 10:2 and you will have my philosophy.
September 23, 2015 at 2:50 pm
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he did not ask you about your philosophy. ron asked you when he has made progressive socialist statements and you direct him to the bible. i’m pretty sure ron’s statements are not found there. try again.
September 23, 2015 at 3:30 pm
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I read that passage and have seen it many times before. Is it safe to assume that you believe this defends Conservatives and their viewpoints since they are the “right”?
If that is the case, and based on His life and actions, Jesus was a Liberal whose heart leaned to the left. Are you saying that He was a fool?
September 24, 2015 at 4:22 pm
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Per Ron, ” We need to go to “Universal Healthcare” since I oppose the current Obamacare since it is an abysmal failure. I am sure government controlled Healthcare will be a wonderful success and all we have to do is look at how great the VA treats the veterans. A good success that only 307,000 have died waiting for treatment and 850,000 are currently waiting for treatment. We count that as a success.
September 25, 2015 at 9:12 am
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Agent,
Jesus would support Universal Healthcare. Why not you? Are you not a Christian? Are you worried that you would have to sacrifice your true God, money, in order for all citizens to have access to healthcare? Imagine if veterans could obtain healthcare anywhere instead of being forced to use the VA?
September 22, 2015 at 5:07 pm
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Dave, good one. Howard Dean is one of the nastiest politicians and goof balls who has ever been in office. Remember when he ran for President and had his famous meltdown and quickly exited the scene? They should have given him a padded cell.
If there is really a Zach Tracer, which I doubt, he needs to include sources to where he came up with his average policy cost. Try more than doubling what he claims the average policy costs, and most policies now have much higher than 1071.00 annual deductibles. What Zach also doesn’t understand is the certain medications and devices are simply no longer covered at all, meaning go find another doctor who will prescribe the generics.Some numbers, but are they accurate?
Scott, that must mean that 60% do hit their deductible and they are the ones in the most trouble paying that outrageous deductible so many don’t even go to the doctor.
Kurt, most of the carriers have changed their drug formularies and many named brand drugs formerly acceptable are not even covered anymore. If there isn’t a generic equivalent, the patient is SOL and have to pay out of pocket. Another increase in healthcare costs that aren’t even mentioned.
Cecil, how about we place the blame where it belongs. Before he ever won the Presidency, Obama told Joe the Plumber that he just had to spread the wealth around. Everything he has done is increasing taxes and regulations for employers which has the net effect of not increasing employment opportunities and not increasing wages for American workers. Class warfare is another tactic used by the left in America. Ask yourself why employers keep moving operations offshore. Is it because they think they are being treated fairly here? There are few incentives for employers to create expansion and hire here in America. Jobs have dried up for college graduates because we have don’t have the economy to create jobs. What a joke!
Real income for most Americans hasn’t kept pace with costs such as this. Health Insurance isn’t the only camel sticking his nose in the tent… everything costs more except for labor costs to American businesses.
All of this foot-dragging on behalf of protecting moneyed privilege will eventually fail. Way too many citizens are no longer complacent or hoodwinked.
GOLDEN OLDIES FROM JAY LENO:
“I was going to start off tonight with an Obama joke,
but I don’t want to get audited by the IRS.”
On NSA surveillance:
“We wanted a president who listens to all Americans –
now we have one.”
On a new IRS commissioner:
“He’s called ‘acting commissioner’ because he has to
act like the scandal doesn’t involve the White House.”
On closing the Guantanamo prison for terrorists:
“If he really wants to close it, turn it into a government-funded solar power company. The doors will be shut in a month.”
Concerning the Benghazi , Associated Press, and IRS
scandals:
“Remember in the old days when President Obama’s biggest embarrassment was Joe Biden?”
On Obama saying he didn’t know about the IRS scandal:
“He was too busy not knowing anything about Benghazi to not know anything about the IRS.”
“The White House has a new slogan about Benghazi :Hope
and change the subject.”
“It’s casual Friday, which means that at the White House, they’re casually going through everybody’s phone calls and records.”
“It is not looking good for President Obama. Today his
teleprompter took the fifth.”
“Fox News has changed its slogan from ‘Fair and
Balanced’ to ‘See, I told you so!'”
On Obama’s commencement address:
“He told the young graduates their future is bright
unless, of course, they want jobs.”
On a Chicago man who set a record for riding a Ferris
wheel: “The only other way to go
around and around in a circle that many times is to read the official report on Benghazi . ”
On White House claims of ignorance on the scandals:
“They took ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’
out of the Pentagon and moved it into the White House.”
“These White House scandals are not going away anytime
soon. It’s gotten so bad that People in Kenya are now saying he’s 100 percent American.”
My personal favorite – “It was so cold outside that the Democrats were sticking their hands in their own pockets.”
Leno was replaced by Fallon, who was – and still is – much harsher on Democrats than Leno. So in theory, Obama has NBC push Leno out, then NBC decides to replace him with someone who’s harsher on the Dem’s.
Unless NBC officials wanted to stick-it to Obama and the Dem’s (and lose political favor in the process), hiring Fallon only makes the situation worse for Obama. Seems simpler that Leno was trending older and NBC wanted more of the 18-34 market.
You keep saying, “Lean forward America”. Can you quantify what that means so we know whether or not your warning is accurate or if you are just an angry blow-hard?
Ron, can you really be that naïve? It seems everyone else on this blog knows what Jack means when he says “Lean forward America”. Actually, it is a very descriptive term on what your savior has done to the country for 7 very long years.
Where did I ask Jack what “Lean forward America” means? I know what he means, I just do not agree with his prediction.
Do you know what “quantify” means? For example, if he says it means tax rates will be 50% for all Americans by 2017, then we will know if he was right or wrong.
It would be like me predicting that the Bills will win the Super Bowl. If I do not say by when, and the Bills remain in the NFL, I could never be proven wrong. However, if I said the Bills win will the Super Bowl by 2018, you will be able to hold me accountable for my prediction.
Ron, for your naïve mind, Jack means that all Obama policies are Progressive Socialism, will not work, will never work and hurts the country no matter how much you love them. His prediction is quite accurate and anyone with an ounce of sense knows what he means. You call him an angry blow hard and are as insulting as you are with me. You should apologize and hold out that olive branch and promise not to do it again. I have had it with your insulting behavior,
Re-read my post and tell me how I insulted Jack. If he provides a way to quantify what he means by “Lean forward America”, and he is right, then he is not an angry blow-hard. However, if his prediction does not come true, then he is an angry blow-hard.
You said, “I have had it with your insulting behavior”. What are you going to do about it?
September 23, 2015 at 2:26 pm
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he is going to complain to rosenblatt about your actions and demand that rosenblatt call you out. and if you didn’t insult someone and rosenblatt explains to agent why he is wrong, agent will then get to insult rosenblatt and call him a word parser
September 23, 2015 at 4:36 pm
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Ron, I really couldn’t care less what you have to say anymore. Your track record is long and full of misstatements and promoting the leftists views. We have dismantled your arguments, shown you the error of your ways, put up with your insults and gave back where it was needed. Your credibility is almost nil now. Your father in law had you pegged years ago.
September 23, 2015 at 2:44 pm
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Ron, if you predicted the Bills would win the Superbowl by 2020, you would still be wrong.
But If [Ron] do[es] not say by when, and the Bills remain in the NFL, [he] could never be proven wrong. However, if [he] said the Bills win will the Super Bowl by 2038, you will be able to hold [him] accountable for [his] prediction.
September 23, 2015 at 4:42 pm
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Very creative Rosenblatt changing the print type, putting Ron’s name in brackets etc. Who really cares whether the Bills ever win a Superbowl? They will have to be satisfied with a couple of American Football League titles they won when Jack Kemp was the quarterback and they played in an old rickety baseball stadium.
September 23, 2015 at 4:58 pm
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Who cares if the Bills ever win a Superbowl? Freddie J. does. As do many NY football fans who prefer to root for their AFC team over the Giants. Every team has fans.
As for my “creative” reply – you remember print media, right? Italics can denote when you’re quoting someone, and brackets indicate what I changed from the original quote Ron wrote.
I was simply denoting it wasn’t my post, except where I changed a few words to keep the meaning accurate. But by all means, let’s sarcastically keep the focus on how I wrote something instead of the meaning of the post.
September 23, 2015 at 5:47 pm
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Hey Rosenblatt, can you not take a compliment in the spirit given without going into a tirade? I know what you meant and liked your style. You guys say I don’t know how to accept an olive branch and then you insult me once again. That is exactly why I will never accept the olive branch from Ron. The very next post he makes is a nasty insult. He thinks he knows more than anyone and he is as dumb as a box of rocks.
September 23, 2015 at 6:34 pm
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Although I don’t think I insulted you, I apologize for taking your ‘creative’ comment as an insult. I read that with a huge slice of sarcasm, but clearly that wasn’t your intent. I was wrong and I appreciate you explaining your sincerity with that comment, and that you didn’t meaning it how I took it. S’alright?
September 23, 2015 at 6:35 pm
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*mean
September 24, 2015 at 7:25 am
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Agent,
You said, ” That is exactly why I will never accept the olive branch from Ron. The very next post he makes is a nasty insult.”
How can my very next post after you accepted the olive branch be nasty if you never accepted said olive branch?
Why don’t you just admit that the real reason you will not accept it is because you know you cannot refrain from insulting me.
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So Jack, your solution would be what, deny health care and continue the path that we know did not work, driving up costs further? [no answer.] Typical.
Blame shame.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
How about we all find solutions to help this country and quit the negativity?
Rosenblatt, I suppose there is a level of distrust that has built up over time between Liberal and Conservative posters. Therefore, when either side makes an attempt at a complimentary post, the other side views it as sarcasm at best and insult at worst. This blog mirrors how our society is right now, divided. I am still hopeful that at some point, people will wake up and see what is going on in this country with all the lies, deceit, terrible policy and outright corruption and do something about it. We have to restore values and educate kids about knowing right from wrong.
Just imagine how great this country still would be if Reagan hadn’t destroyed it. Trickle down is still the play in the land and continues to hinder. 35+ years of Reaganism have created the largest wealth gap in the history of the world and will continue to do so until the American people wake up and demand a better form of capitalism. Like, what we had before Ronnie groped the US. Until then, oligarchy will rule. Wealth distribution has been flowing upward for far too long. Even Reagan’s own economic advisors have admitted its failure. And, for once, Agent will not be able to hide these facts from the rest of the post readers.
And imagine how bad it’s going to be after the ruinous policies of Obama and the far left. Here we have a man who as Senator decried Bush deficits of $300-$400 billion. And then promptly ran up trillion dollar deficits and calls a deficit under $600 billion a reduction in deficits and has put us on a path to deficits between $600 billion and $1 trillion as far as the eye can see. A man who has taken a conversation about deficits off the table. Now here is a man who has ruined the country and the economy.
1. Presidents are not responsible for the deficit. That falls on Congress. They pay the bills.
2. The annual deficit has decreased each year since President Obama took office.
3. It was VP Cheney who uttered the phrase, “You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don’t matter,”. I do not believe President Reagan nor VP Cheney were/are Democrats or RINOs.
Ron, you live in a dream world. Obama and the left resist all efforts to cut the spending needed to control the deficit. When the Republicans try to reform Social Security and Medicare (the two biggest drivers of the deficit) the Democrats put out an ad of a Paul Ryan look-alike pushing granny off the cliff. Face it, it is you spreading misinformation, not me. I find it amazing how mathematically challenged you and all on the left are.
What’s Obama’s plan to reduce the deficit? Hope & Change. He has no plan and will do nothing about it. And Obamacare will saddle his successor with huge deficits.
I gave you facts ad data and you reply with insults, talking points and empty rhetoric.
Go to this website and click “Max” as the timeline and look at the trend line since 1950 then tell me how spending has not been decreasing since President Obama’s first year in office. Also, look at the trend line during Presidents Reagan and GW Bush’s terms. Who are the out-of-control spenders again?
How come you have no problem when spending, deficits and the debt increases with a Republican in the White House, but when a Democrat is in the White House, you have to lie about and spending and deficits?
I am really not trying to defend President Obama, I am just presenting facts to debunk your post.
September 29, 2015 at 6:02 pm
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Good one Dave. Ron likes to brag about his numbers skills and having been a product manager working with actuaries trying to figure out how to take more rate all the time. He and Planet are the worst examples of Progressive Liberalism. They say deficits under a Trillion is a sign they have made progress. Of course, raising taxes has made just a little dent in the deficit. They don’t get how reducing taxes will stimulate the economy and create more jobs and more taxpayers and reduce the deficit. Their way of thinking is spend, spend, spend your way to prosperity. No wonder the economy has been in the crapper for the past 7 years.
September 30, 2015 at 8:33 am
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Agent,
Yes, I do like to brag that the numbers backup my argument. Maybe you are just jealous because the numbers shoot down your argument.
It shows that I am willing to do my own research and thinking and not just perpetuate talking points and empty rhetoric. Not mentioning any names.
September 24, 2015 at 10:24 am
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Planet, Communism is a dangerous thing and advocating what they had in the Soviet Union or Cuba or Venezuela makes you uniquely un American. So you liked the economy under Carter, huh? Tell us all why he was only a one term President. Was it his personality or his complete ignorance on how to run the country? It took Reagan over 3 years to clean up that economic mess, restore the military and put people back to work. The result was one of the biggest expansions of economic activity and job growth in our history. It must really chap you that Iowa has elected two Republican Conservatives to the Senate. Not all Iowans are as goofy as you are, thank God.
i am confused agent. when did planet ever advocate for what they had in the soviet union, cuba or venezuela? what did he say and when did he say it? you you claim he said something that makes him un-american, but i did not see that he ever said those things.
Confused, you haven’t been on this blog long enough to read all the nasty Progressive rants of Planet and others like Libby. Thinking that Reagan destroyed this country is as goofy as it gets. Anti Reagan is equal to full blown pro Progressive Socialism which is exactly what he wants. He also has advocated for getting rid of all Fast Food restaurants and putting 3 million plus out of work. That, friend is anti Capitalism and anti American. That is why he is known as Planet from another Planet.
Like I said, you haven’t been on this blog long enough to read her rabid posts. She is the most infamous left wing poster of all time on this blog and it was constant on every article. She was a dedicated Hilliary lover and really loved all those Socialist programs and was a huge supporter of the now infamous Obamacare. No one knows where she went, but I suspect her employer caught her blogging non stop instead of doing her work and fired her.
September 25, 2015 at 2:20 pm
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Someone who lost her job cause she spent too much time blogging.
maybe….
September 25, 2015 at 8:55 am
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I wrote, ABOUT CAPITALISM:
“35+ years of Reaganism have created the largest wealth gap in the history of the world and will continue to do so until the American people wake up and demand a better form of capitalism.”
For the record, I am not Communist, I do like Capitalism, I just think Reagan messed it all up and dealt most of us a bad hand. Tough for many to play with these crappy cards. Call it what you want, Agent. But, Reagan screwed up big time. We are still working under his economic model and this country continues to suffer and it’s becoming increasingly more difficult to reverse crashes like that which happened under Bush’s watch. Clinton’s continuation of trade deficit didn’t help matters.
I don’t like fast food because it’s simply horrible for one’s health. You don’t like unions and want to bust them up, that puts people out of work as well. The difference being, most of those union workers are not serving up type 2 in a happy meal.
For the record Planet, you have no clue about Capitalism. Reagan saved this country from left wing and clueless Carter. Unfortunately for this country, we have returned to the same failed policies of liberals like massive Keynsian spending (Stimulus that wasn’t a stimulus), running up the debt (will be $20 Trillion) shortly, massive give a way programs, no jobs created except government jobs. Your theory is in line with making everyone equally poor, not creating opportunity for people to get ahead. We have the lowest labor participation rate since Carter. This is due to Progressive Democratic Socialism and you know it. The good news is that John Boehner has resigned and perhaps we can get a true Conservative to run the House into the future.
September 25, 2015 at 2:20 pm
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so planet did not actually advocate for what they had in the Soviet Union or Cuba or Venezuela then, right agent?
September 25, 2015 at 6:07 pm
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Confuse, Planet’s version of Capitalism lines up with Progressive Socialism.
Allow me to quote one of the most brilliant Economists in the past 100 years.
“The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither. The society that puts freedom before equality will end up with a great measure of both” Milton Friedman
Is that a bit heavy for you Confused? Are you going to be an ASK HOLE and keep hammering more questions because you don’t understand it? I recommend reading Friedman to you. I cut my economic teeth studying him.
September 25, 2015 at 9:35 pm
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Confused,
You are correct. I do not want to follow the economic model of the Soviet Union, Cuba, or Venezuela. Never have wanted to, never will. Can’t be more clear than that.
September 25, 2015 at 8:57 am
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*Clinton’s continuation of trade deficit like that which was started under Reagan.
Agent,
There is a lot of socialism is today’s capitalism. Who pays for all those sports arenas? Tax payers – socialism. Who pays for roads? Tax payers – socialism. Who pays for public schools, libraries, the flipping Armed Forces? How do farmers keep feeding this country and others? Subsidies – socialism. Please keep digging for that clue, brother. We are a democratic socialist society with a capitalist model. Reagan just vamped it for the worst, is all. He tried to make it an oligarchy. And now, 35+ years later, we are still falling.
I don’t consider public roads, national defense and other public services as socialism and consider them weak arguments for expanding socialism as you do. But go ahead if you wish and please spend more time in other failed socialists experiments. Soon to be including Greece. Gotta like what’s happening there, right?
Who is advocating for Socialism? Answer: Nobody on this blog nor President Obama.
Socialism: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
Hi Dave, Some on this blog don’t think Obama has promoted Socialism from day one. Every action he has taken since first elected has been just that. We just have to spread the wealth around, right? Obamacare is the biggest Socialistic experiment in history. How did that work out? How did that Stimulus work out? Did it create any jobs? How is that entitlement society working out with food stamps, disability, free this, free that? Many on the left just think they can tax the rich out of existence and the playing field will be level. They won’t be happy until everyone makes the same low wages and the entrepreneurs will cease to exist.
1. You have never proven President Obama has promoted Socialism, based on the true definition of Socialism
2. Spreading the wealth around does not equal Socialism
3. The PPACA is not Socialism. What is Socialist are public infrastructure, public schools and the military.
4. There has been net jobs gains nearly every month since the PPACA was signed. So much for it being a job killer.
Ron, you are entitled to your Socialist opinion, but not your Socialist facts. Progressive Socialism by the left has been ruinous to this economy for 7 years running. We know you are quite pleased with a 1.5-2.0 growth rate in this economy, but it doesn’t make it in America. Had he done anything to help business along the way, we would have been humming along at 4.0-5.0 growth rate long before now. Don’t continue to blame Bush for this Obama economy. By the way, why have 500,000 New Yorkers left for greener pastures? Has Progressive Socialism policies had anything to do with that?
September 28, 2015 at 2:02 pm
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Agent,
What’s with the insult? Are you ready to accept the olive branch and stop with the insults?
At least I present facts and cite my sources, unlike you.
For the record, there is no more Socialism in NY than TX.
In addition, most of NY is actually Conservative. It is NYC that is Liberal.
All of the data I have seen shows NY growing in population. Where are you coming up with 500,000 people leaving? Is that a net figure or just the number of people who have left without accounting for people moving here?
When have I ever blamed anyone, let alone President Bush, for the economy?
September 28, 2015 at 2:33 pm
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One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.
Milton Friedman
September 28, 2015 at 2:55 pm
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Agent,
That is exactly what you are doing. You keep stating that President Obama’s intentions are to make the country Socialist, but cannot cite one instance where, if applying the correct definition of Socialism, that has resulted in us becoming Socialist.
Are you sure you agree with Friedman? I do not think he would agree with you.
Based on:
1. The fact that you want to raise taxes on one group of citizens so yours can be decreased,
2. You advocating for more government control of our lives (texting and driving laws),
3. How much you love to play the victim thinking you are being insulted when you clearly are not, and
4. You not taking personal responsibility for being wrong, misspeaking, or spreading misinformation,
you are sounding like a Liberal.
September 28, 2015 at 3:04 pm
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agent, i am confused. how can you say ron is not entitled to his socialist facts? if they are facts, then they are facts. why can’t ron bring up facts?
that has to be the weakest argument you have ever made. basically “stop bringing up facts to support your opinion, ron. that’s not right, using facts in your argument. stop using facts!”
September 28, 2015 at 4:05 pm
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Ron, your memory is both short and faulty. You apparently forgot entirely the article on IJ a couple of weeks ago which highlighted the 500,000 New Yorkers who have fled the state. I asked you why that was so, and you even replied that it most mostly heavy taxation. This lapse of memory is why you have little credibility on this forum along with your Socialistic belief system.
September 29, 2015 at 8:32 am
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Agent,
What’s with the insults? You can’t complain about being insulted, then keep lobbing insults.
So, I forget about one IJ article and comment stream and my whole memory is faulty?
Gee, I wonder why nobody likes you.
September 28, 2015 at 1:29 pm
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You can’t compare Greece to the United States. We control our own currency. Greece does not.
When unions get higher wages for their members by restricting entry into an occupation, those higher wages are at the expense of other workers who find their opportunities reduced. When government pays their employees higher wages, those wages are at the expense of the taxpayer. But, when workers get higher wages and better working conditions through the free market, when they get raises by firms competing with one another for the best workers, by workers competing with one another for the best jobs, those higher wages are at nobody’s expense. They can only come from higher productivity, greater capital investment, more widely diffused skills. The whole pie is bigger – there’s more for the worker, but there’s also more for the employer, the investor, the consumer, and even the tax collector.
That’s the way the free market system distributes the fruits of economic progress among all people. That’s the secret of the enormous improvements in the conditions of the working person over the past two centuries. Milton Friedman
Great in theory, but it does not work in the real world when human nature and the drive to maximize profits in order to increase share value takes precedence.
We are still in a high supply of labor (low labor participation rate) situation with low increase in demand (slow economic growth). What happens to the cost, in this case labor, when demand is low and supply is high?
While doing some research I discovered Friedman was with me that drugs, especially marijuana, should be legalized. Do you agree with Friedman and me?
How about sticking to economic issues Ron? Your brain must be frazzled trying to defend the guy you voted for twice and don’t believe he is a Socialist or has run up the national debt by $7 Trillion, more than all previous Presidents in US history.
Why are you dodging a simple economic question? As your hero Friedman pointed out, legalizing drugs is an economic issue.
Please just answer the simple question, do you agree with Friedman and me that drugs should be legalized since it would benefit the economy and reduce government spending?
September 29, 2015 at 1:29 pm
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“Your brain must be frazzled”
Agent – I think swears and personal attacks are immature and have no place on this site
September 29, 2015 at 2:37 pm
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Back to economic issues despite Progressive Socialists wanting to change the unpopular subject of Paul Krugman economics.
I am in favor of cutting taxes under any circumstances and for any reason, whenever it is possible. Milton Friedman
you brought up friedman, agent – nobody has brought up krugman until you just did. sounds like you want to change the subject from friedman to krugman. but hey, okay, let us talk about economic issues – do you agree or disagree that drugs should be legalized as it would benefit the economy and reduce government spending?
Confused, Ron trotted out Krugman some time ago to try to prove his Socialist agenda. Krugman was a liberal professor and then went to work for the NYTimes as their liberal Socialist columnist in Chief. When you tout a Socialist, that means you are of the same ilk.
You said, “When you tout a Socialist, that means you are of the same ilk.” Does that mean that, since you have touted Friedman many times, you are for the legalization of drugs?
I have quoted and agreed with Milton Friedman far more than Paul Krugman. Does that make me a Free Market Capitalist?
In my opinion, they both have valid economic theories and they both have flaws. There is a reason they both won the Nobel Prize in Economics. They do not just give that award to yahoos like you and me.
i doubt that ron was trying to prove his socialist agenda, but whatever, let’s say you are right — that was then and this is now. you brought up krugman and friedman all on your own in this article. nobody else wrote either of those names until you did, and now it looks like you are trying to change the subject away from friedman and ron’s question to you. if you really want to talk about economic issues and friedman as you claim, just answer his question and that conversation will continue as you want it to.
Why can you not answer a simple yes or no economic question? Do you agree with Milton Friedman and me that legalizing drugs would benefit the economy?
I am assuming that since you quoted Friedman in regards to cutting taxes that you agree with him. How can you agree with him and also complain about the debt when the Bush Tax Cuts are a significant reason for our current debt situation. You must choose, do you agree with President Bush’s tax cuts during wartime or are you against creating huge debt for the country?
Ron, you have lost every economic argument on every article for 4 years and defend Obama at the drop of a hat. Please tell everyone how the economy has improved in the past 7 years and don’t bother to trot out the nonsense that real jobs have been created and the stagnant growth rate of 1.5-2.0% is a good thing.
I have not lost one single economic argument. I never said the economy was booming. All I said, and proved with data and statistics, is that the economy has not been destroyed and that the PPACA is not killing jobs.
It’s called math. One day democrats will learn it.
Lean forward America.
They know Obama Math… Make the consumer pay more so the health companies can pay less.
Hi FFA. Good to see you back commenting. It is not hard to see why wages have not grown much in the past 5 years, is it? With Healthcare Costs rising, many employers who still have plans are cost shifting to employees. Those deductibles and out of pocket expenses have skyrocketed. No matter how it is sliced, Obamacare has been an unmitigated disaster. No wonder repeal and replace is such a popular idea.
By the way, it is too bad about the Bears prospects. From the highlights I saw, it was mostly low lights. You will just have to cheer the Packers on this year. We lost Romo in Philly and he won’t be back until November, if then. Not sure the back up Weedon can help that much since there is a good reason why he is a back up quarterback.
you do realize that Romo, Brady, and Rodgers were all backups for their first 3-5 years in the NFL, right? Not saying Brandon Weedon is of similar stature, but you can’t dog the back ups.
Don’t forget Steve Young was Montana’s backup too!
Rosenblatt, I think we can all agree that Steve Young was not destined to be a career back up. He was the reason Montana finally left to go to the Chiefs. The rest is history.
Yeah, and Tom Brady was not destined to be Drew Bledsoe’s backup nor Rodgers destined to be Favre’s backup.
I was simply agreeing with Former Status Quo’s comment of “you can’t dog the back ups” and giving another example.
I’m a Packer fan living in Chicago and soaking it all up. Good luck with Weedon.
Dave, the Cowboys are working out 4 quarterbacks this week to back up Weedon. Christian Ponder, formerly with the Vikings, Matt Flynn, formerly with the Packers, Josh Johnson, formerly Tampa Bay and McLeod Bethel-Thompson??? an undrafted practice squad quarterback. It has to be between Ponder and Flynn in my opinion. They have started NFL games and Flynn backed up Rodgers so I lean to him to be the choice.
Agent, I thought Matt Flynn was still with the Jets. I guess not. Having watched him play as a backup for the Packers he’s a keeper if available. I think he holds the Packer record for most TD passes in a game when he got 6 against Detroit in the last game of the 2011 season when they went 15-1.
Rosenblatt, most drafted quarterbacks in the NFL have to serve an apprenticeship and hold that clipboard on the sidelines unless they are pressed into action due to the starter’s injury. Romo had to back up Bledsoe who Jerry Jones mistakenly took for a starter after Bledsoe wore his welcome out in New England. We used to call Bledsoe the Statue of Liberty. He was stationary in the pocket, held the ball over his head and was consistently sacked because he wouldn’t get rid of the ball and his feet were stuck in cement.
Bledsoe was always known as someone who was a great pocket passer with a great deep ball, but someone who couldn’t run or extend plays with his feet.
Bledsoe wasn’t washed up after NE either. He had one of his best years in BUF and if I remember correctly, nearly brought DAL to the playoffs after throwing 3,000+ yards and having at least three or four 4th quarter comebacks.
Would you rather have preferred to see Vinnie Testaverde stay back there for DAL instead of Drew when he came over?
Do you realize that Weedon was a starter when he first came out? He has since proved that he wasn’t a starter and that is why he has been holding the clip board for several years.
Same with Flynn… A Career Back up. McCowon in Cleveland too. Johnny Football needs to get the nod.
The Bears are in trouble this year. No Defense at all… I will NEVER change my allegiance to the Pack… Remember, I am a Cub fan so I am used to the down years….
FFA, The guy Ryan Fitzpatrick, current starter for the Jets has been around with several teams and is basically a career back up who gets his shot, fails and then hooks up with another team desperate for a back up. Flynn is much the same way, but he has shown flashes when he backed up Rodgers. He beat Dallas a few years ago with 5 TD passes while subbing for Rodgers.
I am rooting for your Cubs this year to make it to the playoffs. They look like a different team when I get to see them, which isn’t often. Young blood infusion and a lot of enthusiasm goes a long way along with having a very good manager.
Rosenblatt, Bledsoe ran like a man who was 40 when he was 25. New England realized he wasn’t going to do it and released him. Brady has never been a speed merchant, but he can extend plays and his release is so fast, he rarely gets sacked. Rodgers is much the same way when healthy. Dallas thought when they got those young offensive linemen, they could keep Romo healthy since he doesn’t move well anymore. Philly proved they could get to him. The play he got hurt on was a sack with a fumble. 300 pounds coming down on a quarterback on his shoulder and snap goes the collarbone which had been broken a few years back. They really need to be looking for a quarterback to draft next year to develop or trade for someone languishing on the bench. Jones has a lot of money invested in Romo on a $108 million contract with about $60 million guaranteed. Now they have two high priced players, him & Dez and both won’t be playing anytime soon.
“New England realized he wasn’t going to do it and released him” That’s revisionist history at best. As good as Brady was in 2001 (not great – he was merely a ‘game manager’ back then), there is no way in h3ll the Patriots would’ve won the Super Bowl without Bledsoe.
FACT: New England wouldn’t have even made it past the AFC Championship Game without Drew!
So he was good enough to get it done the game before the Super Bowl, but not good enough to get it done just one game later? Remember: he had one of his best years after leaving NE, so clearly he could still ‘get it done’ after NE traded him.
FFA, well Jones pulled another Jones on us. He worked out 4 quarterbacks yesterday and then traded for Matt Cassel with Buffalo of all teams for a draft choice. If a QB can’t start for Buffalo, what team would he ever start for? He could have signed Flynn or Ponder and not given up any draft choices. No doubt we needed a back up to Weedon, but this is another strange Jones deal.
Cassel started 15 games (played in all 16 games) for the Patriots in 2008 after Brady went down on the first play of the season, and he went 11-5! Maybe it’s not that he can’t play, but that BUF doesn’t have enough good players surrounding him??
Cassell has always been a good back up. same with Flynn & McCowan. You do do ok with him.
It’s called shareholder math you idiot.
Rosenblatt, the Chiefs thought Cassel would lead them to the promised land after signing him to a big deal a few years ago and he quickly wore out his welcome. By the way, Buffalo is starting a rookie who beat him out. What does that tell you?
It tells me New England coaches put Cassel in a better position to win than KC or BUF.
Rosenblatt, if a veteran quarterback who has started games in the NFL cannot beat out a rookie for the starting job, there is something wrong with that picture. There is a reason why a player is expendable and either is cut or traded for a low round draft choice.
I know. One of those reasons could be “the team didn’t put the player in a position to excel and didn’t change the scheme to fit the player’s strengths.”
FFA, yes it is quite a plan hatched by Obama and his minions and the Health Insurers. Let’s tell them they will save up to $2,500 for a family of four, then increase their rates along with the substandard plans and increase deductibles, Co-pays and maximum out of pocket. Oh, by the way 6 million who liked their plans, you are cancelled and must enroll in our plan or we are going to fine you. I believe the fine inscreases to $695 next year. What a deal!
You have a lot of faith there.
Rosenblatt, your love affair with Bledsoe is amazing. You give him entirely too much credit. Do you think having a lot of good players on the roster had anything to do with it? I saw him play with every team he played for. He was just a pocket passer with a decent arm. Yes, New England let him go and they saw that Brady was the future. Several Super Bowls later, I think they made a wise decision. Say what you want about Brady being a game manager if you like, he just does it better than anyone else and he doesn’t beat himself.
No love affair here, I’m just giving Bledsoe his fair share of credit – especially for coming in mid-game and leading a comeback win in the AFC Champ game against PIT in 2001.
I agree he was a pocket passer with a decent arm. Yes, definitely being surrounded by good players helped him – and every NFL player for that matter. I agree Brady was obviously the better long-term solution too.
Just one point to clarify: I only said Brady was a game manager when he won his first Super Bowl in 2001. Clearly he has become much more than that over the past 15 years.
take from the poor
and give to the rich
then call that guy a *** of a
then take it back
and give to the poor
round and round
to even the score
No “bleep” Sherlock. Of course employees portion of health insurance costs are going up.
“If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. PERIOD.”
Dave, you can also keep your higher deductibles, higher out of pocket expenses and your reduced access to doctors and hospitals. The left will just say, another reason for single payer government insurance. Let’s just increase the Federal Government by another 50,000 employees and have Death Panels and that will solve the senior issue.
6 years later, you’re still throwing out death panels as if they were real and not just made up. get a clue.
Dave please ask the six million policyholders if they liked their plan and doctors who had their policies cancelled last year because they did not conform with the ACA requirements. The words you quote is a direct statement by Obama who promised millions of Americans with health insurance that “if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan” Surely your statement is in jest?
Patriot, I was mocking Barry’s words.
Dave; Thank you for the clarification.
Patriot, Dave is one of the good guys. The more he posts, the better you will like what he has to say. He does like to mock the leftists and Barry as you have seen.
I liked my nurse most
So much for the “Affordable” in Affordable Care Act
Since most people, especially Republicans have said that healthcare costs are the problem, not insurance premiums, how come everyone has so far glossed over this quote from the article?
“While it’s absolutely true that we’ve been living in a period of an historic slowdown in healthcare costs, it’s almost invisible to consumers,” Kaiser Foundation Chief Executive Officer Drew Altman said in an interview.
It sounds like there is more to the story than just healthcare costs.
Health care costs may have moderated due to an economy which totally sucks. Has notihng to do with Obamacare which did nothing to control health care costs, just shifted who would pay. Not even any tort reform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9HcWd5ifBA&index=80&list=FL9lJuRBjktDPY_TeM76IBSw
Dave,
At what point did I mention, let alone credit the PPACA?
Try to reply without putting words in my mouth.
Ron, it is really simple to understand, even for you. 1. The economy has never recovered from the recession despite several recovery summers and a failed Stimulus. Growth has languished from 1.5 to 2% growth rate. Wages have stagnated for the Middle Class. 2. Obamacare has offered plans with high deductibles, high out of pocket expenses so people cannot afford to go to the doctor as much because they don’t have the money to pay. With a labor participation rate as low as the Carter years, people just don’t have the income to afford the Affordable Care Act. Get it yet? Don’t bother to trot out your Single Payer promotion again because that would be twice as bad as the bad law that we have currently.
Agent,
First, your post has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Shocking would you go on an irrelevant rant.
Second, funny you should mention Carter and the labor participation rate together. Did you know that we experience the greatest 4 year increase in the LPR during his administration?
Finally, you do not KNOW that Single Payer would be worse. It has never been tried in this country. If want to say that it is your opinion that it would be twice as bad, that would be acceptable.
When it comes to anything that would poo poo a democrat, you say we don’t know that it would be worse.
Unless it is a republican plan, then suddenly we have all the evidence.
It’s more than funny you bring up and defend Jimmy Carter, you, the moderate, defended Jimmy Carter. The labor participation rate, BOY is relevant to Reagan vs Obama because of the following:
Not only did the labor participation rate rise during Obama, the unemployment rate dropped. Obama has done the exact opposite. The labor rate going down now is the direct reason why the unemployment rate is going down. People are leaving the workforce.
For Jimmy Carter, I will say again: FALSE EQUIVALENCY.
In other words, taking one labor participation rate and comparing it to another is as juvenile as any move I have seen.
Your ignorance is astounding.
You might as why did I call you a boy?
“Second, funny you should mention Carter and the labor participation rate together. Did you know that we experience the greatest 4 year increase in the LPR during his administration?”
Trying to one up your elders who clearly know more history than you, on an aspect like this…Like a know it all…
You don’t know crap about Carter if you thought that statement reflects well on Carter or is comparable to Agent’s past comments on the LPR.
Alternatively if you do know better and just want to make Agent out to be a hypocrite, you’re manipulating the conversation.
Either you’re an idiot or an unethical piece of trash.
Which one Ron?
bob, do you call people boy so much that you automatically respond to your own comment to defend your insult? do you realize you never actually called him boy? nobody would ask you why you called ron a boy because you did not. duh. also FALSE EQUIVALENCY!! you say that so much i wanted to say it too. boy, that was fun
bob,
You and Agent are the absolute worst when it comes to comprehension.
How was I defending President Carter? All I did was point out an actual fact. Did I give President Carter or any of his policies credit? NO!!!!!!!!!! But that is what happened.
You and Agent have constantly compared the current LPR to the past. Does that make you and Agent’s ignorance also astounding? Why can’t I compare the LPR when President Carter took office to when he left?
I am not trying to one up anybody. I would be happy if you and Agent would actually read and accurately comprehend my posts. You both have to either put words in my mouth, twist what I said, assume I meant something that I did not write, or flat out ignore what I wrote just to make your argument work.
I already know why you insult others and use titles like boy and child. You are an insecure, inferior loser who needs to put others down in order to lift yourself up. That is what makes you the worst kind of debater and why you never win arguments.
You said, “Alternatively if you do know better and just want to make Agent out to be a hypocrite, you’re manipulating the conversation.” Agent makes himself out to be a hypocrite. I am just pointing it out with evidence. Unlike you and Agent who label people without evidence.
“Either you’re an idiot or an unethical piece of trash.
Which one Ron?”
Nice debating tactic.
bob, have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no?
See, 2 can play that game.
Bob, did you mean to say that the labor participation rate rose under Reagan and under Obama it has fell to the same as during Carter? The facts are that Reagan put the country back to work and Carter was the worst excuse for a President we have had in my lifetime until Obama came along.
How about a good example of Carter’s ineptitude? During an energy crisis, his energy plan was to turn the heat down in the winter and put on a sweater. Whoop de doo! What a brilliant plan.
Ron, as usual, you don’t understand anything Dave or I say on the reasons why Obamacare is an abysmal failure from the starting line through today. You don’t seem to understand that Progressivism as a policy is a bad idea for America. Why am I not surprised? You are, afterall a New Yorker and I am from fly over land who has common sense. Total government control of all facets of our society is either Socialism on steroids or pure Communism. How did it work out for the former Soviet Union? Regarding Carter, he is now in second place as the worst President in our history. Reagan managed to recover the economy, but it took a while to do it. I was a young man back then and the economic malaise was palpable and no one thought they had a future of success had it continued. Thank God for Ronald Reagan. I hope to visit his library some day.
Agent,
I completely understand what you, Dave and every other righty says about the PPACA. I AGREE WITH YOU!!!! If you have not been paying attention for the past 5 years, I am against the PPACA. Just because I point out that it has not impacted the economy and jobs as much as you think, does not mean I am an advocate for the law. It means I believe in facts more than talking points and false, empty rhetoric.
I know you are an emotional thinker, but sometimes you need to put your emotions aside and actually accept facts.
When have I advocated for Socialism, the true definition, or Communism?
When have I ever defended President Carter? The only reason I bring up the LPR is to show how meaningless it is as a statistic when measuring a president’s performance. If it can increase the most during the second worst presidency, does it really mean anything?
Yes, thank God for Ronald Reagan. Let’s also thank the principles of Keynes and Friedman that were both applied during that time.
Ron, you are right that I am emotional and I also know right from wrong. Was it the movie Broadcast News that the late, great Peter Finch uttered one of the greatest lines ever when he said – I am mad as he– and I am not going to take it any more. That is how I feel about the direction of this country and the total failure of your hero that you voted for twice.
Agent,
Finally you have admitted your biggest flaw, emotions. That is why you fail to use, analyze and comprehend facts.
Remember, right from wrong is relative. I honestly believe that I do know right from wrong also.
Ron, the prison warden in “Cool Hand Luke” famously said- what we have here is a failure to communicate. Bob, Dave and I give you history and the truth and you call us righties. That makes you a lefty since you oppose us at every opportunity. You just can’t get rid of those Progressive Socialist beliefs, can you?
how can you honestly say ron opposes you at every opportunity when he has stated many times he is also against the PPACA?
does that mean you are for the PPACA or that you were wrong and he does agree with you sometimes?
Agent,
We do not have a failure to communicate. You and most of your righty friends have a failure to comprehend.
You call yourself a righty.
When have I disagreed with any truth or history you, Dave or bob have provided without providing my own facts and source(s)? I have actually agreed with you that President Carter was not a good president and President Reagan has been the best president in my lifetime.
See, I do not oppose you at every turn. Maybe that’s because I am NOT a lefty.
Please list all of my Progressive Socialist beliefs, citing what I said and when I said it.
Ron, please read Ecclesiastes 10:2 and you will have my philosophy.
he did not ask you about your philosophy. ron asked you when he has made progressive socialist statements and you direct him to the bible. i’m pretty sure ron’s statements are not found there. try again.
Agent,
I read that passage and have seen it many times before. Is it safe to assume that you believe this defends Conservatives and their viewpoints since they are the “right”?
If that is the case, and based on His life and actions, Jesus was a Liberal whose heart leaned to the left. Are you saying that He was a fool?
Per Ron, ” We need to go to “Universal Healthcare” since I oppose the current Obamacare since it is an abysmal failure. I am sure government controlled Healthcare will be a wonderful success and all we have to do is look at how great the VA treats the veterans. A good success that only 307,000 have died waiting for treatment and 850,000 are currently waiting for treatment. We count that as a success.
Agent,
Jesus would support Universal Healthcare. Why not you? Are you not a Christian? Are you worried that you would have to sacrifice your true God, money, in order for all citizens to have access to healthcare? Imagine if veterans could obtain healthcare anywhere instead of being forced to use the VA?
Dave, good one. Howard Dean is one of the nastiest politicians and goof balls who has ever been in office. Remember when he ran for President and had his famous meltdown and quickly exited the scene? They should have given him a padded cell.
If there is really a Zach Tracer, which I doubt, he needs to include sources to where he came up with his average policy cost. Try more than doubling what he claims the average policy costs, and most policies now have much higher than 1071.00 annual deductibles. What Zach also doesn’t understand is the certain medications and devices are simply no longer covered at all, meaning go find another doctor who will prescribe the generics.Some numbers, but are they accurate?
Scott, that must mean that 60% do hit their deductible and they are the ones in the most trouble paying that outrageous deductible so many don’t even go to the doctor.
Thats me. The Co Pays never stop.
Kurt, most of the carriers have changed their drug formularies and many named brand drugs formerly acceptable are not even covered anymore. If there isn’t a generic equivalent, the patient is SOL and have to pay out of pocket. Another increase in healthcare costs that aren’t even mentioned.
What this article doesn’t address is that only 40% of people actually even hit their deductible.
Cecil, how about we place the blame where it belongs. Before he ever won the Presidency, Obama told Joe the Plumber that he just had to spread the wealth around. Everything he has done is increasing taxes and regulations for employers which has the net effect of not increasing employment opportunities and not increasing wages for American workers. Class warfare is another tactic used by the left in America. Ask yourself why employers keep moving operations offshore. Is it because they think they are being treated fairly here? There are few incentives for employers to create expansion and hire here in America. Jobs have dried up for college graduates because we have don’t have the economy to create jobs. What a joke!
Real income for most Americans hasn’t kept pace with costs such as this. Health Insurance isn’t the only camel sticking his nose in the tent… everything costs more except for labor costs to American businesses.
All of this foot-dragging on behalf of protecting moneyed privilege will eventually fail. Way too many citizens are no longer complacent or hoodwinked.
GOLDEN OLDIES FROM JAY LENO:
“I was going to start off tonight with an Obama joke,
but I don’t want to get audited by the IRS.”
On NSA surveillance:
“We wanted a president who listens to all Americans –
now we have one.”
On a new IRS commissioner:
“He’s called ‘acting commissioner’ because he has to
act like the scandal doesn’t involve the White House.”
On closing the Guantanamo prison for terrorists:
“If he really wants to close it, turn it into a government-funded solar power company. The doors will be shut in a month.”
Concerning the Benghazi , Associated Press, and IRS
scandals:
“Remember in the old days when President Obama’s biggest embarrassment was Joe Biden?”
On Obama saying he didn’t know about the IRS scandal:
“He was too busy not knowing anything about Benghazi to not know anything about the IRS.”
“The White House has a new slogan about Benghazi :Hope
and change the subject.”
“It’s casual Friday, which means that at the White House, they’re casually going through everybody’s phone calls and records.”
“It is not looking good for President Obama. Today his
teleprompter took the fifth.”
“Fox News has changed its slogan from ‘Fair and
Balanced’ to ‘See, I told you so!'”
On Obama’s commencement address:
“He told the young graduates their future is bright
unless, of course, they want jobs.”
On a Chicago man who set a record for riding a Ferris
wheel: “The only other way to go
around and around in a circle that many times is to read the official report on Benghazi . ”
On White House claims of ignorance on the scandals:
“They took ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’
out of the Pentagon and moved it into the White House.”
“These White House scandals are not going away anytime
soon. It’s gotten so bad that People in Kenya are now saying he’s 100 percent American.”
My personal favorite – “It was so cold outside that the Democrats were sticking their hands in their own pockets.”
FFA, those are priceless. Leno was always my favorite late night host. These jokes may also be the reason the National Barack Channel dumped him.
I took them out of an article I read today that stated exactly that. OBama pressured NBC into letting him go.
Leno was replaced by Fallon, who was – and still is – much harsher on Democrats than Leno. So in theory, Obama has NBC push Leno out, then NBC decides to replace him with someone who’s harsher on the Dem’s.
Unless NBC officials wanted to stick-it to Obama and the Dem’s (and lose political favor in the process), hiring Fallon only makes the situation worse for Obama. Seems simpler that Leno was trending older and NBC wanted more of the 18-34 market.
Do you see how the left likes to use the words healthcare costs and health insurance costs as if they are the same thing ?
That’s one of the reasons Obumacareless is a lie.
Lean forward America!
Jack,
Please provide a specific example.
You keep saying, “Lean forward America”. Can you quantify what that means so we know whether or not your warning is accurate or if you are just an angry blow-hard?
No Stop Loss.
Ron, can you really be that naïve? It seems everyone else on this blog knows what Jack means when he says “Lean forward America”. Actually, it is a very descriptive term on what your savior has done to the country for 7 very long years.
Agent,
Wow, just wow.
Where did I ask Jack what “Lean forward America” means? I know what he means, I just do not agree with his prediction.
Do you know what “quantify” means? For example, if he says it means tax rates will be 50% for all Americans by 2017, then we will know if he was right or wrong.
It would be like me predicting that the Bills will win the Super Bowl. If I do not say by when, and the Bills remain in the NFL, I could never be proven wrong. However, if I said the Bills win will the Super Bowl by 2018, you will be able to hold me accountable for my prediction.
Get it?
Ron, for your naïve mind, Jack means that all Obama policies are Progressive Socialism, will not work, will never work and hurts the country no matter how much you love them. His prediction is quite accurate and anyone with an ounce of sense knows what he means. You call him an angry blow hard and are as insulting as you are with me. You should apologize and hold out that olive branch and promise not to do it again. I have had it with your insulting behavior,
Agent,
Re-read my post and tell me how I insulted Jack. If he provides a way to quantify what he means by “Lean forward America”, and he is right, then he is not an angry blow-hard. However, if his prediction does not come true, then he is an angry blow-hard.
You said, “I have had it with your insulting behavior”. What are you going to do about it?
he is going to complain to rosenblatt about your actions and demand that rosenblatt call you out. and if you didn’t insult someone and rosenblatt explains to agent why he is wrong, agent will then get to insult rosenblatt and call him a word parser
Ron, I really couldn’t care less what you have to say anymore. Your track record is long and full of misstatements and promoting the leftists views. We have dismantled your arguments, shown you the error of your ways, put up with your insults and gave back where it was needed. Your credibility is almost nil now. Your father in law had you pegged years ago.
Ron, if you predicted the Bills would win the Superbowl by 2020, you would still be wrong.
But If [Ron] do[es] not say by when, and the Bills remain in the NFL, [he] could never be proven wrong. However, if [he] said the Bills win will the Super Bowl by 2038, you will be able to hold [him] accountable for [his] prediction.
Very creative Rosenblatt changing the print type, putting Ron’s name in brackets etc. Who really cares whether the Bills ever win a Superbowl? They will have to be satisfied with a couple of American Football League titles they won when Jack Kemp was the quarterback and they played in an old rickety baseball stadium.
Who cares if the Bills ever win a Superbowl? Freddie J. does. As do many NY football fans who prefer to root for their AFC team over the Giants. Every team has fans.
As for my “creative” reply – you remember print media, right? Italics can denote when you’re quoting someone, and brackets indicate what I changed from the original quote Ron wrote.
I was simply denoting it wasn’t my post, except where I changed a few words to keep the meaning accurate. But by all means, let’s sarcastically keep the focus on how I wrote something instead of the meaning of the post.
Hey Rosenblatt, can you not take a compliment in the spirit given without going into a tirade? I know what you meant and liked your style. You guys say I don’t know how to accept an olive branch and then you insult me once again. That is exactly why I will never accept the olive branch from Ron. The very next post he makes is a nasty insult. He thinks he knows more than anyone and he is as dumb as a box of rocks.
Although I don’t think I insulted you, I apologize for taking your ‘creative’ comment as an insult. I read that with a huge slice of sarcasm, but clearly that wasn’t your intent. I was wrong and I appreciate you explaining your sincerity with that comment, and that you didn’t meaning it how I took it. S’alright?
*mean
Agent,
You said, ” That is exactly why I will never accept the olive branch from Ron. The very next post he makes is a nasty insult.”
How can my very next post after you accepted the olive branch be nasty if you never accepted said olive branch?
Why don’t you just admit that the real reason you will not accept it is because you know you cannot refrain from insulting me.
So Jack, your solution would be what, deny health care and continue the path that we know did not work, driving up costs further? [no answer.] Typical.
Blame shame.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
How about we all find solutions to help this country and quit the negativity?
Go Bills!
Rosenblatt, I suppose there is a level of distrust that has built up over time between Liberal and Conservative posters. Therefore, when either side makes an attempt at a complimentary post, the other side views it as sarcasm at best and insult at worst. This blog mirrors how our society is right now, divided. I am still hopeful that at some point, people will wake up and see what is going on in this country with all the lies, deceit, terrible policy and outright corruption and do something about it. We have to restore values and educate kids about knowing right from wrong.
Just imagine how great this country still would be if Reagan hadn’t destroyed it. Trickle down is still the play in the land and continues to hinder. 35+ years of Reaganism have created the largest wealth gap in the history of the world and will continue to do so until the American people wake up and demand a better form of capitalism. Like, what we had before Ronnie groped the US. Until then, oligarchy will rule. Wealth distribution has been flowing upward for far too long. Even Reagan’s own economic advisors have admitted its failure. And, for once, Agent will not be able to hide these facts from the rest of the post readers.
And imagine how bad it’s going to be after the ruinous policies of Obama and the far left. Here we have a man who as Senator decried Bush deficits of $300-$400 billion. And then promptly ran up trillion dollar deficits and calls a deficit under $600 billion a reduction in deficits and has put us on a path to deficits between $600 billion and $1 trillion as far as the eye can see. A man who has taken a conversation about deficits off the table. Now here is a man who has ruined the country and the economy.
Dave,
Please stop spreading misinformation.
1. Presidents are not responsible for the deficit. That falls on Congress. They pay the bills.
2. The annual deficit has decreased each year since President Obama took office.
http://useconomy.about.com/od/people/fl/Deficit-by-President.htm
3. It was VP Cheney who uttered the phrase, “You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don’t matter,”. I do not believe President Reagan nor VP Cheney were/are Democrats or RINOs.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Dick_Cheney_Budget_+_Economy.htm
4.One man cannot ruin nor save the economy, especially any politician.
Ron, you live in a dream world. Obama and the left resist all efforts to cut the spending needed to control the deficit. When the Republicans try to reform Social Security and Medicare (the two biggest drivers of the deficit) the Democrats put out an ad of a Paul Ryan look-alike pushing granny off the cliff. Face it, it is you spreading misinformation, not me. I find it amazing how mathematically challenged you and all on the left are.
What’s Obama’s plan to reduce the deficit? Hope & Change. He has no plan and will do nothing about it. And Obamacare will saddle his successor with huge deficits.
Dave,
I gave you facts ad data and you reply with insults, talking points and empty rhetoric.
Go to this website and click “Max” as the timeline and look at the trend line since 1950 then tell me how spending has not been decreasing since President Obama’s first year in office. Also, look at the trend line during Presidents Reagan and GW Bush’s terms. Who are the out-of-control spenders again?
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-spending
How come you have no problem when spending, deficits and the debt increases with a Republican in the White House, but when a Democrat is in the White House, you have to lie about and spending and deficits?
I am really not trying to defend President Obama, I am just presenting facts to debunk your post.
Good one Dave. Ron likes to brag about his numbers skills and having been a product manager working with actuaries trying to figure out how to take more rate all the time. He and Planet are the worst examples of Progressive Liberalism. They say deficits under a Trillion is a sign they have made progress. Of course, raising taxes has made just a little dent in the deficit. They don’t get how reducing taxes will stimulate the economy and create more jobs and more taxpayers and reduce the deficit. Their way of thinking is spend, spend, spend your way to prosperity. No wonder the economy has been in the crapper for the past 7 years.
Agent,
Yes, I do like to brag that the numbers backup my argument. Maybe you are just jealous because the numbers shoot down your argument.
It shows that I am willing to do my own research and thinking and not just perpetuate talking points and empty rhetoric. Not mentioning any names.
Planet, Communism is a dangerous thing and advocating what they had in the Soviet Union or Cuba or Venezuela makes you uniquely un American. So you liked the economy under Carter, huh? Tell us all why he was only a one term President. Was it his personality or his complete ignorance on how to run the country? It took Reagan over 3 years to clean up that economic mess, restore the military and put people back to work. The result was one of the biggest expansions of economic activity and job growth in our history. It must really chap you that Iowa has elected two Republican Conservatives to the Senate. Not all Iowans are as goofy as you are, thank God.
i am confused agent. when did planet ever advocate for what they had in the soviet union, cuba or venezuela? what did he say and when did he say it? you you claim he said something that makes him un-american, but i did not see that he ever said those things.
Confused, you haven’t been on this blog long enough to read all the nasty Progressive rants of Planet and others like Libby. Thinking that Reagan destroyed this country is as goofy as it gets. Anti Reagan is equal to full blown pro Progressive Socialism which is exactly what he wants. He also has advocated for getting rid of all Fast Food restaurants and putting 3 million plus out of work. That, friend is anti Capitalism and anti American. That is why he is known as Planet from another Planet.
who is Libby?
Like I said, you haven’t been on this blog long enough to read her rabid posts. She is the most infamous left wing poster of all time on this blog and it was constant on every article. She was a dedicated Hilliary lover and really loved all those Socialist programs and was a huge supporter of the now infamous Obamacare. No one knows where she went, but I suspect her employer caught her blogging non stop instead of doing her work and fired her.
Someone who lost her job cause she spent too much time blogging.
maybe….
I wrote, ABOUT CAPITALISM:
“35+ years of Reaganism have created the largest wealth gap in the history of the world and will continue to do so until the American people wake up and demand a better form of capitalism.”
For the record, I am not Communist, I do like Capitalism, I just think Reagan messed it all up and dealt most of us a bad hand. Tough for many to play with these crappy cards. Call it what you want, Agent. But, Reagan screwed up big time. We are still working under his economic model and this country continues to suffer and it’s becoming increasingly more difficult to reverse crashes like that which happened under Bush’s watch. Clinton’s continuation of trade deficit didn’t help matters.
I don’t like fast food because it’s simply horrible for one’s health. You don’t like unions and want to bust them up, that puts people out of work as well. The difference being, most of those union workers are not serving up type 2 in a happy meal.
For the record Planet, you have no clue about Capitalism. Reagan saved this country from left wing and clueless Carter. Unfortunately for this country, we have returned to the same failed policies of liberals like massive Keynsian spending (Stimulus that wasn’t a stimulus), running up the debt (will be $20 Trillion) shortly, massive give a way programs, no jobs created except government jobs. Your theory is in line with making everyone equally poor, not creating opportunity for people to get ahead. We have the lowest labor participation rate since Carter. This is due to Progressive Democratic Socialism and you know it. The good news is that John Boehner has resigned and perhaps we can get a true Conservative to run the House into the future.
so planet did not actually advocate for what they had in the Soviet Union or Cuba or Venezuela then, right agent?
Confuse, Planet’s version of Capitalism lines up with Progressive Socialism.
Allow me to quote one of the most brilliant Economists in the past 100 years.
“The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither. The society that puts freedom before equality will end up with a great measure of both” Milton Friedman
Is that a bit heavy for you Confused? Are you going to be an ASK HOLE and keep hammering more questions because you don’t understand it? I recommend reading Friedman to you. I cut my economic teeth studying him.
Confused,
You are correct. I do not want to follow the economic model of the Soviet Union, Cuba, or Venezuela. Never have wanted to, never will. Can’t be more clear than that.
*Clinton’s continuation of trade deficit like that which was started under Reagan.
Agent,
There is a lot of socialism is today’s capitalism. Who pays for all those sports arenas? Tax payers – socialism. Who pays for roads? Tax payers – socialism. Who pays for public schools, libraries, the flipping Armed Forces? How do farmers keep feeding this country and others? Subsidies – socialism. Please keep digging for that clue, brother. We are a democratic socialist society with a capitalist model. Reagan just vamped it for the worst, is all. He tried to make it an oligarchy. And now, 35+ years later, we are still falling.
And again, and again, and again, and again we see how socialism fails. In the Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, China, etc., etc., etc.
I especially like this picture of failed socialism in North Korea.
https://www.google.com/search?q=north+korea+south+korea+picture+night&espv=2&biw=1580&bih=906&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBwQsARqFQoTCNWci8v0mcgCFcupHgodd2wF-w#imgrc=VTtTdFvGd84rRM%3A
I don’t consider public roads, national defense and other public services as socialism and consider them weak arguments for expanding socialism as you do. But go ahead if you wish and please spend more time in other failed socialists experiments. Soon to be including Greece. Gotta like what’s happening there, right?
Dave,
Who is advocating for Socialism? Answer: Nobody on this blog nor President Obama.
Socialism: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
Just because you don’t consider something Socialism, does not mean it is not. Who made you the ultimate authority on what is or what is not Socialism?
Hi Dave, Some on this blog don’t think Obama has promoted Socialism from day one. Every action he has taken since first elected has been just that. We just have to spread the wealth around, right? Obamacare is the biggest Socialistic experiment in history. How did that work out? How did that Stimulus work out? Did it create any jobs? How is that entitlement society working out with food stamps, disability, free this, free that? Many on the left just think they can tax the rich out of existence and the playing field will be level. They won’t be happy until everyone makes the same low wages and the entrepreneurs will cease to exist.
Agent,
Please stop spreading misinformation.
1. You have never proven President Obama has promoted Socialism, based on the true definition of Socialism
2. Spreading the wealth around does not equal Socialism
3. The PPACA is not Socialism. What is Socialist are public infrastructure, public schools and the military.
4. There has been net jobs gains nearly every month since the PPACA was signed. So much for it being a job killer.
These are facts, not emotions.
3.
Ron, you are entitled to your Socialist opinion, but not your Socialist facts. Progressive Socialism by the left has been ruinous to this economy for 7 years running. We know you are quite pleased with a 1.5-2.0 growth rate in this economy, but it doesn’t make it in America. Had he done anything to help business along the way, we would have been humming along at 4.0-5.0 growth rate long before now. Don’t continue to blame Bush for this Obama economy. By the way, why have 500,000 New Yorkers left for greener pastures? Has Progressive Socialism policies had anything to do with that?
Agent,
What’s with the insult? Are you ready to accept the olive branch and stop with the insults?
At least I present facts and cite my sources, unlike you.
For the record, there is no more Socialism in NY than TX.
In addition, most of NY is actually Conservative. It is NYC that is Liberal.
All of the data I have seen shows NY growing in population. Where are you coming up with 500,000 people leaving? Is that a net figure or just the number of people who have left without accounting for people moving here?
When have I ever blamed anyone, let alone President Bush, for the economy?
One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.
Milton Friedman
Agent,
That is exactly what you are doing. You keep stating that President Obama’s intentions are to make the country Socialist, but cannot cite one instance where, if applying the correct definition of Socialism, that has resulted in us becoming Socialist.
Are you sure you agree with Friedman? I do not think he would agree with you.
Based on:
1. The fact that you want to raise taxes on one group of citizens so yours can be decreased,
2. You advocating for more government control of our lives (texting and driving laws),
3. How much you love to play the victim thinking you are being insulted when you clearly are not, and
4. You not taking personal responsibility for being wrong, misspeaking, or spreading misinformation,
you are sounding like a Liberal.
agent, i am confused. how can you say ron is not entitled to his socialist facts? if they are facts, then they are facts. why can’t ron bring up facts?
that has to be the weakest argument you have ever made. basically “stop bringing up facts to support your opinion, ron. that’s not right, using facts in your argument. stop using facts!”
Ron, your memory is both short and faulty. You apparently forgot entirely the article on IJ a couple of weeks ago which highlighted the 500,000 New Yorkers who have fled the state. I asked you why that was so, and you even replied that it most mostly heavy taxation. This lapse of memory is why you have little credibility on this forum along with your Socialistic belief system.
Agent,
What’s with the insults? You can’t complain about being insulted, then keep lobbing insults.
So, I forget about one IJ article and comment stream and my whole memory is faulty?
Gee, I wonder why nobody likes you.
You can’t compare Greece to the United States. We control our own currency. Greece does not.
*in today’s capitalism
When unions get higher wages for their members by restricting entry into an occupation, those higher wages are at the expense of other workers who find their opportunities reduced. When government pays their employees higher wages, those wages are at the expense of the taxpayer. But, when workers get higher wages and better working conditions through the free market, when they get raises by firms competing with one another for the best workers, by workers competing with one another for the best jobs, those higher wages are at nobody’s expense. They can only come from higher productivity, greater capital investment, more widely diffused skills. The whole pie is bigger – there’s more for the worker, but there’s also more for the employer, the investor, the consumer, and even the tax collector.
That’s the way the free market system distributes the fruits of economic progress among all people. That’s the secret of the enormous improvements in the conditions of the working person over the past two centuries. Milton Friedman
Agent,
Great in theory, but it does not work in the real world when human nature and the drive to maximize profits in order to increase share value takes precedence.
We are still in a high supply of labor (low labor participation rate) situation with low increase in demand (slow economic growth). What happens to the cost, in this case labor, when demand is low and supply is high?
While doing some research I discovered Friedman was with me that drugs, especially marijuana, should be legalized. Do you agree with Friedman and me?
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/friedm1.htm
How about sticking to economic issues Ron? Your brain must be frazzled trying to defend the guy you voted for twice and don’t believe he is a Socialist or has run up the national debt by $7 Trillion, more than all previous Presidents in US history.
Agent,
Why are you dodging a simple economic question? As your hero Friedman pointed out, legalizing drugs is an economic issue.
Please just answer the simple question, do you agree with Friedman and me that drugs should be legalized since it would benefit the economy and reduce government spending?
“Your brain must be frazzled”
Agent – I think swears and personal attacks are immature and have no place on this site
Back to economic issues despite Progressive Socialists wanting to change the unpopular subject of Paul Krugman economics.
I am in favor of cutting taxes under any circumstances and for any reason, whenever it is possible. Milton Friedman
you brought up friedman, agent – nobody has brought up krugman until you just did. sounds like you want to change the subject from friedman to krugman. but hey, okay, let us talk about economic issues – do you agree or disagree that drugs should be legalized as it would benefit the economy and reduce government spending?
Confused, Ron trotted out Krugman some time ago to try to prove his Socialist agenda. Krugman was a liberal professor and then went to work for the NYTimes as their liberal Socialist columnist in Chief. When you tout a Socialist, that means you are of the same ilk.
Agent,
You said, “When you tout a Socialist, that means you are of the same ilk.” Does that mean that, since you have touted Friedman many times, you are for the legalization of drugs?
I have quoted and agreed with Milton Friedman far more than Paul Krugman. Does that make me a Free Market Capitalist?
In my opinion, they both have valid economic theories and they both have flaws. There is a reason they both won the Nobel Prize in Economics. They do not just give that award to yahoos like you and me.
i doubt that ron was trying to prove his socialist agenda, but whatever, let’s say you are right — that was then and this is now. you brought up krugman and friedman all on your own in this article. nobody else wrote either of those names until you did, and now it looks like you are trying to change the subject away from friedman and ron’s question to you. if you really want to talk about economic issues and friedman as you claim, just answer his question and that conversation will continue as you want it to.
Agent,
Why can you not answer a simple yes or no economic question? Do you agree with Milton Friedman and me that legalizing drugs would benefit the economy?
I am assuming that since you quoted Friedman in regards to cutting taxes that you agree with him. How can you agree with him and also complain about the debt when the Bush Tax Cuts are a significant reason for our current debt situation. You must choose, do you agree with President Bush’s tax cuts during wartime or are you against creating huge debt for the country?
Ron, you have lost every economic argument on every article for 4 years and defend Obama at the drop of a hat. Please tell everyone how the economy has improved in the past 7 years and don’t bother to trot out the nonsense that real jobs have been created and the stagnant growth rate of 1.5-2.0% is a good thing.
Agent,
I have not lost one single economic argument. I never said the economy was booming. All I said, and proved with data and statistics, is that the economy has not been destroyed and that the PPACA is not killing jobs.
Why will you not just answer one simple question?