Obama Vetoes Republicans’ Repeal of Affordable Care Act

By | January 10, 2016

  • January 11, 2016 at 1:39 pm
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    and pigs fly.

    Lean forward America.

    • January 12, 2016 at 9:32 am
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      Jack, the good news is that he is giving his last State of the Union. I am sure the lies will be flying about how strong the country is under his leadership. Ron will give him a standing ovation every time his lips move.

      • January 12, 2016 at 9:51 am
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        • January 12, 2016 at 7:05 pm
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          “If Donald trump is the Republican candidate, and we have to deal with President Hillary Clinton, the Republicans need to take a long, hard look in the mirror to figure out why they could not select a better, more electable candidate.”

          So basically this is you saying saying “If people like Trump, republicans will have to take a hard look at the electoral process”.

          No.

          No the answer why they can’t:

          The democrats keep on destroying candidates who aren’t aggressive back.

          That is why Trump is winning. Because the liberal democrats won’t allow for a moderate republican to exist. Like Cruz.

          • January 13, 2016 at 7:47 am
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            bob,

            No!! Once again your reading comprehension fails you. What I am saying is that Donald Trump is not electable in a general election. That is all.

            What is wrong with you?

          • January 18, 2016 at 5:57 pm
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            Bob, I am afraid you are wrong on Cruz. He is one of the few Conservatives in the race. A moderate is more like Rubio or even Trump, believe it or not. The liberal media is really trying to stir up trouble on any Republican, no matter who it is. It is their goal to elect another Democrat, no matter how bad they are. Look at who we have had for nearly 8 years now. The media ignored all the vetting process and the background checks and approved him with no problem.

          • January 18, 2016 at 6:25 pm
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            Agent,

            It is this mentality that is destroying the Republican Party, not the “liberal” media. Unless you consider Fox News to be liberal.

            The Republicans cannot resist cannibalizing each other. Look at the past few elections. Too many are in the pool of candidates compared to the Democrats. They keep breaking President Reagan’s 11th Commandment. Funny that they all want to be compared to Reagan, but not one of them has any idea how to act like him.

      • January 14, 2016 at 5:42 pm
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        By the way Jack, it was reported that the State of Union address was the lowest rated since Bill Clinton’s last one at about 31.3 million over 13 networks. I guess all the cable channels and Netflix was what was watched. I saw a few low lights when a commercial was on the channel I watched. Now, all we have to do is watch that pen fly with all the Executive Orders and challenge and defeat each one.

        • January 15, 2016 at 8:35 am
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          • January 15, 2016 at 11:15 am
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            agent won’t click links, so here is the info for him:

            Obama executive orders – 227
            GW Bush – 291
            Clinton – 364
            G Bush – 166
            Reagan – 381
            Carter – 320
            Ford – 169
            Nixon – 346
            Eisenhower – 484
            Truman – 907
            FDR – 3,721!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • January 11, 2016 at 1:40 pm
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  • January 11, 2016 at 1:55 pm
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    No surprise here I guess.

    “I may not be on the ballot, but my policies certainly are.”

    Obama during the 2014 elections. A statement his selective memory promptly forgot.

    • January 11, 2016 at 2:18 pm
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      His policies were rejected in the 2010 and 2014 mid terms and he merely said that perhaps he didn’t communicate the message clearly enough. We have been trying to send him a message since he has been in office and he still hasn’t received it. All he has on his mind is the Global Climate change threat.

      • January 11, 2016 at 2:25 pm
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        • January 11, 2016 at 3:42 pm
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          All real voices should be heard.

          In the 2012 Election, the media; e.g. Candy Crowley, spoke to Americans on behalf of Obama over Romney. Benghazi was covered only briefly, then dropped. Less informed voters and gullible voters followed their lead.

          Landslide wins in individual states gave Republicans control of Congress. The Presidency is won by winning swing states, and other states votes do not matter. As a result, voter suppression occurs in states where one party has insurmountable margins.

          But voter turnout is not suppressed in polls of Americans on the topic of The ACA.

          This is what this current bill is intended to do:

          Put Republicans on the record regarding the ACA.

          Put Democrats on the record regarding the ACA AND the veto overturn vote.

          Give Americans a fresh reminder of who was responsible for the travesty called the ACA.

          The ACA will repeal itself via self-implosion. Perhaps someone should have actually proof-read the details before it was passed and signed into law?

          • January 11, 2016 at 3:51 pm
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          • January 12, 2016 at 9:10 am
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            Very well said Yogi.

          • January 12, 2016 at 7:07 pm
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            Ron,

            WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

            People like you said in the past we don’t know if a stimulus would have been passed without Obama.

            Moderates mostly forget. They would for a fact in 2016 say “Well, we don’t know that republicans will repeal the law, they never voted on it” if they don’t vote on it.

            Yogi is right. And if you don’t like it, then tough.

            Bravo Yogi.

          • January 13, 2016 at 7:55 am
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    • January 14, 2016 at 5:57 pm
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      Dave, how about we inject some humor into this discussion?

      Understanding Engineers!

      The graduate with a science degree asks, “Why does it work”?
      The graduate with an engineering degree asks, “How does it work”?
      The graduate with an accounting degree asks, “How much does it cost”?
      The graduate with an arts degree asks, “Do you want fries with that”?

    • January 18, 2016 at 12:16 pm
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      Dave, did you hear that they re-named the State of the Union? It is now known as the State of the Dis-Union.

      • January 22, 2016 at 1:16 pm
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        Heee – yuck!!!

  • January 11, 2016 at 2:24 pm
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    • January 11, 2016 at 3:44 pm
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      I know of several proposals to replace the ACA. Were you not informed of them by the liberal media?

      • January 11, 2016 at 3:52 pm
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        • January 12, 2016 at 7:09 pm
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          You mean the ones that if they pass them knowing Obama will veto them you say that they shouldn’t pass at all?

          Are you aware that the proposals didn’t get voted on because bills can be blocked?

          Democrats block progress and you blame republicans, again.

          There were numerous proposals. Those proposals were blocked and didn’t go into play because of democrats, not republicans. So blame the democrats. Admit it. You never admit a single point that they actually did.

          • January 13, 2016 at 7:57 am
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            You can’t vaguely say both parties suck, while trying to blame quite specifically the not passing of a healthcare bill on republicans.

            No, I’m not happy now. Because you’re still on here saying bull about republicans.

            We have a higher standard for republicans these days, not lower, and people like Trump are winning nominations because of people like you derailing the arguments.

          • January 13, 2016 at 12:53 pm
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          • January 12, 2016 at 10:25 am
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            For you Trump Haters – Watch out for the silent majority. Most people I know are agreeing with the things he is saying but dont speak out about it cause they will just get labeled racist. They are gonna let their ballot speak for them.
            Even though Scott Walkers Popularity Rating is in the toilet, he has still won three elections including the recall which he was the first in the history of the US to win a recall and retain his seat.

  • January 12, 2016 at 10:31 am
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    The Republicans promised to bring this issue all the way to the top and they kept their promise to voters. It sends a strong and clear message to all Americans and future generations that when this Act implodes, Obama’s nicotine stained fingers will be ALL over it. Frankly, I want him to be associated with this law so history will show what happens to presidents who unwarrantly force a law down the throats of the people they work for (us). So congrats to the Republicans for keeping a campaign promise, never backing down, and looking ahead to a better future for America.

    • January 12, 2016 at 11:14 am
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      Good one Supreme. Two thirds of the government rejected the law and it is now historical with a document even though it was vetoed. Quite a signature piece of legislation, wasn’t it? Anything passed in such a partisan way with lies, deception, bribes and force fed to the people was bound to fail.

    • January 12, 2016 at 11:43 am
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      • January 12, 2016 at 7:12 pm
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        My brother knows numerous college grads, who in the 2012 election stated that Obama was not the person who resulted in the ACA.

        They said it would have been passed or something similar without him. So take that back now. He does need to be held accountable.

        Why don’t you ever hold democrats accountable? I haven’t seen it.

        I HAVE seen republicans diss on republicans. Look at polls you idiot. Republicans break from their party more than democrats, not less. You idiots are the ones not holding your party accountable.

        Now onto your first point:

        Stop blaming republicans for not keeping promises when democrats are blocking them from doing so.

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        • January 14, 2016 at 4:24 pm
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          Bob, it is really quite simple. For someone to vote for Obama twice in a row with his track record and Progressive agenda, that means he thinks that Obama is right and all Republicans are wrong and bad. Progressives complained when Republicans objected to their Socialist Utopian agenda and voted against it and they complained about the Republicans trying to repeal it and they complained about the Republicans not offering an alternative. They are really sad and have a mental disease.

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    • January 12, 2016 at 12:48 pm
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      Supreme, some goofy poster said that Republicans have been wasting their time and how about a Replacement bill???? I thought it was a law. Any attempt to replace Obamacare before he leaves office would have been met with the same veto pen. Now that would have been a real waste of time and money trying to get that through.

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      • January 12, 2016 at 3:28 pm
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        Congrats to the Progressive Democrats for making the most monumental mess in the history of Congress, taking coverage away from 6 million who had policies they liked so they could install the garbage law, not bill, and ruin Healthcare for the whole country. Good job, Obama, Pelosi, Reid and other minions. You have set your party back at least 20 years.

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          • January 12, 2016 at 7:12 pm
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            No, they didn’t. They used it as a political tool for votes. Next question.

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          • January 13, 2016 at 12:03 pm
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            Now they are falsely promising to repeal it by voting for it?

            You can’t state it’s false while the democrats are stopping it from happening.

            That would be called failing. Not falsely promising. My God you are polarized Ron.

          • January 13, 2016 at 12:57 pm
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      • January 12, 2016 at 7:12 pm
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        That is not what they have said, but good try at class warfare.

        • January 13, 2016 at 8:09 am
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          • January 13, 2016 at 12:06 pm
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            They already tried. It just didn’t include a mandate.

            Also: That would not be the result of their actions. At all. You’re making assumptions.

            Less people would be insured due to a mandate not taking affect. If those people don’t want to buy insurance, you cannot speak for them and state you saved them.

            Moving on:

            All people who wanted insurance would have it more affordable than the ACA and still would have received assistance, without breaking premium to loss ratios as Obama did.

            Or did you not see the largest Co op go bankrupt?

          • January 13, 2016 at 12:07 pm
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            Further to the point:

            Repeal of the law would not remove people who desired insurance.

            That’s all I need to say here.

            You’re lying, or you’re stupid. Those are the only choices.

            If you’re so politically bent on this concept that if republicans pass any plans people won’t have healthcare and die, what do we call that again?

            People who ignore CBO rated plans and say that people will die without healthcare due to another party?

            Ah, darn, I forgot, what’s the phrase for it?

            Darn it help me out here Ron.

            Oh right there are two words for it:

            Stupid.

            Polarized.

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            Bob, do you remember that idiot Congressman Alan Grayson who got up in front of the House with his big placard in bold letters and said – Here is the Republican Plan – Die. He was one of the worst and represented a liberal district.

          • January 15, 2016 at 5:26 pm
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            Bob, how about a good one to go home on.

            “We are Socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions”. Adolf Hitler

            No wonder his party was called the National Socialist Party which is a long version of the Nazi party.

          • January 20, 2016 at 5:52 pm
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            Agent,

            I recall that someone did say the republican plan was to die, though I don’t remember the context or who.

            It was certainly annoying class warfare. I don’t know how people fall for this.

          • January 20, 2016 at 5:53 pm
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            I have listened to and read many of Hitler’s speeches.

            Both Putin and Obama sound very similar in the end goal. Of course Putin is closer to it, but we are sounding dangerously close to this same attitude.

  • January 15, 2016 at 9:15 am
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    Republicans should just start lying like Bernie and say health insurance should be “free” like college. Dumbocrats believe it when one of theirs say it.

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      • January 15, 2016 at 12:21 pm
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        You mean you would be happy if they agreed with what the idiots on the left are trying to do. Just because liberals believe everything can be free doesn’t make it free…just free to ignorant democrats.

        The best proposal put on the table when all this obamacarless started was allow health insurance to be sold across state lines. Let the free market be competitive….but no said the big government democrats. You just wait until you start getting healthcare like our VETS get at the VA. That’s government healthcare you dumbass. Obamacare didn’t fix healthcare it screwed up health insurance. If you are too stupid to understand the difference, you are probably a democrat.

        • January 15, 2016 at 12:43 pm
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          Jack, some are so stupid that they think Republicans will continue to complain and obstruct when they are completely in charge in 2017. Why would a Republican President not sign a bill or law passed by a Republican House & Senate? It will be the Democrats complaining and trying to obstruct next year and the shoe will be on the other foot.

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          • January 15, 2016 at 6:04 pm
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            Jack, you are right about the VA and it is a disaster like so much of the government and it hasn’t been cleaned up yet. I have nearly lost two good friends to their incompetence and the private hospitals they came back to saved their lives.

          • January 20, 2016 at 5:55 pm
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            “Typical republican response”

            Revise to “Typical politically charged human response”.

            You talk as if you’re special, much like the democrats who speak with you.

            Wrap something in roses all you want, it doesn’t make what you said any less aggressive or charged.

            You have this obsession with believing republicans are some way that they aren’t. It’s degrading, it’s absurd, it’s annoying.

            Knock it off.

          • January 21, 2016 at 9:50 am
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            bob,

            Until Republicans start governing and present a BILL to replace the PPACA, I will not knock it off. So, please stop asking/telling me to do so.

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    • January 15, 2016 at 5:12 pm
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      Jack, Progressive Independents and Democrats just couldn’t believe that the citizens objected to their Progressive Agenda and have for basically 7+ years and 5 years going on 6 on Healthcare. The more they lied, the more the objections to it. Reality really set in when the website didn’t work after spending a billion on it and people started getting the bad news. Now, the uproar is even more when the $695 tax kicks in for those who don’t buy the trash.

  • January 18, 2016 at 12:36 pm
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    Still waiting for someone on the right to cite the bill the Republicans brought forth in Congress as a replacement to the PPACA or something prior to the PPACA that the Democrats stopped.

    **crickets**

    • January 18, 2016 at 6:26 pm
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      4 thumb downs, but 0 bills cited. Typical from the right.

      • January 20, 2016 at 6:01 pm
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        You’re an ahole.

        First of all: The right (myself especially) has bombarded you with these plans.

        You refuse to acknowledge them. I already linked you this link you piece of garbage!!

        http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/cbo-confirms-gop-plan-will-lower-health-care-premiums-lower-deficit-without-tax-hikes

        But suddenly you don’t recall, and no republicans ever do this. This is your issue, not the right. You keep labeling the right and keep convincing yourself of delusional crud.

        There have been 24 plans presented regarding healthcare. Politifact solely said it is “half true” because of his wording to control cost and care, the people disagreed that it would do so. But this does not mean that the intent of those 24 bills were not to address those issues. It means people disagreed.

        And you believe there have been zero?

        Typical response from the left. There have been zero tax increases and we promised spending decreases but we will hold that hostage each time for the debt limit, and blame republicans! Which happened by the way. They promised cuts to the super committee then refused to honor them without more revenues. Then again. Then again. This literally happened in excess of 5 TIMES AND IS HAPPENING YET AGAIN.

        They seem to keep forgetting what they did and was proposed and what republicans agreed to and what republicans proposed by contrast.

        There were NONE? You missed 24 freaking bills??????????

        WHAT THE HECK RON????

        • January 21, 2016 at 11:04 am
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          Bob, have I warned you about Ron about a dozen times now and you are still trying to convince him? Hello! Wake up Bob, he is never going to acknowledge that you are right and he was wrong. That is what double Obama voters do. Their Messiah is right and the rest of America is wrong, no matter what.

          By the way, Both sides are very afraid of Trump. He doesn’t fit any political mold, isn’t beholden to any special interest group, doesn’t apologize for anything. I don’t like some of his rhetoric, but he has changed the political landscape in this country. I am a bit afraid for his personal safety because the big power brokers, elite play for keeps.

          • January 21, 2016 at 11:36 am
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            Agent,

            If I may quote you directly, referring to Progressive trolls “They can’t win any argument so they start screaming and name calling.”.

            Thank you for declaring bob a loser.

            Since he was unable, can you cite a bill from Republicans to replace the PPACA, or reform health care, that was at least brought before Congress for a vote? Please provide the name and number of the bill.

            Trump has also advocated against the Constitution, has lied and believes he can unite the country by insulting and disrespecting entire groups of Americans.

            I am not afraid of him because he is not electable in a general election.

          • January 21, 2016 at 1:19 pm
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            Ron,

            Dear dumbass,

            I insult as part of heated debate. You insult as part of dismantling someone’s debate, dumb ass.

            So when I say you’re a dumb ass, it doesn’t mean you’re wrong.

            When you say I need to analyze my own fact and don’t have reading comprehension, it is your attempt to dismantle my character along with your argument.

            Now fuck off kid.

            I’ve had enough of your genius little 20 something year old comments false equivalency bullcrap. Everything is the same except for when it’s different and I figured it out!

            No, you didn’t.

            I insult you because you’re the punk kid of this forum. And it’s old.

          • January 21, 2016 at 1:28 pm
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            And dear mr. dumb ass:

            If you don’t want someone to call you a moron, and a dumb ass,

            Don’t start each and every one of your arguments with:

            You’re a dumb ass.

            Typical republican.

            Etc.

            You don’t say the words dumb ass, but you definitely sugar coat a similar statement.

            Then you wonder, why don’t people like me?

            You keep calling people dumb asses, and you’re surprised they throw it right back at you, only directly.

            It’s basically that you’re a kid and haven’t figured out life yet.

            If you want to have people respect you, don’t feign high ground respect during an argument while pretending you’re talking to someone who doesn’t and is a lesser.

            There are some thoughts, mr dumb ass no reading comprehension skills doesn’t know his own articles person!

            See what I did there?

            That’s YOU.

          • January 21, 2016 at 1:51 pm
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            Also:

            Proof in itself that the democrats blocked the bill is that they are refusing to even acknowledge bills existed, which existed, because they didn’t even think of them as credible bills, and therefore stood united against them.

            This is simple logic. The proof is in the pudding.

            All it would take as I said is for 10% of republicans to note vote for certain bills to not get it passed. This would then by the fault of those 10% of republicans, and the 90% of democrats.

            But you instead lump in the whole group, for the actions of the few.

            You know that Akin guy? Totally, that’s the republican party. So is Trump.

            Label, degenerate, dehumanize, repeat.

            War tactics…It’s absurd.

          • January 21, 2016 at 2:27 pm
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            bob,

            Can you provide the name and number of a bill from Republicans to replace the PPACA, or reform health care, that was at least brought before Congress for a vote?

            If the Democrats have been stopping all of these bills to replace the PPACA, why have they not been able to stop the Republicans from passing more than 60 bills to repeal the PPACA?

            Why can’t you answer simple questions?

            Keep with the name-calling. It just discredits your argument. At least that what Agent thinks. Either that or he is a hypocrite. I’ll let him decide.

            You said, “I’ve had enough of your genius little 20 something year old comments false equivalency bullcrap.” Wrong again. You can double that to 40 something. You keeop saying “false equivalency”.

          • January 21, 2016 at 5:01 pm
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            I will feel legitimately extremely sick if I have to vote for Trump because he wins the republican ticket.

            It will be the first time for that to occur.

            Somehow people forget Bush W did act presidential. He also refused to comment on politics for what, the entire time after his election? His interviews with Opera when she tried to goad him into it showed his class.

            Many people disagree with his politics because of popular opinion, (of which I agree with his goals and actually know them) but I like him. He was presidential. As much as it may surprise some people, I also think Clinton sounded presidential (though a lot of the time he was lying or faking it) and I could see Clinton being a good though wrong politically man.

            Now we have come across Obama, and Trump, and then Hillary.

            Obama is a jack ass in the same way Putin is, only less severe.

            Trump is a disaster, an egotistical maniac who is not a conservative, his tax plan is moderate shifts at best, and no drastic change is offered by the suit.

            Hilliary offers change in the wrong direction, whether she is a liar or likable like her husband or not.

            This next election is pure bull.

          • January 21, 2016 at 5:03 pm
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            At least last the last few elections we had Mc Cain, who truly was a “maverick” and then Romney, who while not the best candidate was certainly not a terrible one.

            This election is a joke. Is Bernie Sanders really even in the running at all? How is he polling well to any degree considering his populist stances?

            Why are Ted Cruz and Rand Paul not higher than they are?

            We have some legitimate candidates who need to end up on top.

      • January 20, 2016 at 6:02 pm
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        http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/nov/26/ron-johnson/johnson-said-republicans-have-proposed-dozens-solu/

        The politifact link separately since two links slows down posting.

        Freaking moron.

        The reason Jack insults you by the way is because you need to wake the hell up with that high and mighty attitude.

        Republicans don’t propose bills!
        Republicans don’t pass bills!
        Republicans are intrusive!
        Republicans republicans republicans!!

        Shut up!

      • January 21, 2016 at 1:35 pm
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        So again:

        You said:

        “Still waiting for someone on the right to cite the bill the Republicans brought forth in Congress as a replacement to the PPACA or something prior to the PPACA that the Democrats stopped.”

        Then you tried to discount any bills that didn’t pass by saying it wasn’t democrats.

        You refuse to let a circumstance exist for any bills that would allow a reality where democrats blocked any bills, and then you say

        Typical from the right.

        Do you see what you’re doing or don’t you?

        You are delusional.

        You set a point, and keep sliding it in favor of defending democrats and demolishing republicans.

        For the love of God Ron, it can’t be “by accident”.

        This is willful. You’re feigning independent and moderate for appeal, to garner people to the left, while saying you have conservative view points.

        It’s obvious, and it’s part of why I don’t like you.

        You don’t get to feign right, while trying to convert the entire establishment away from it. Do you do this same thing with Catholicism?

        Convert people away from it?

  • January 21, 2016 at 10:10 am
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    bob,

    I know about the plans and have acknowledged as such. I even agree with most of them. But you did not provide an actual bill, voted on in Congress, let alone passed and sent to President Obama to sign or veto, that would replace the PPACA or reform health care. Why is it OK to keep trying to repeal the PPACA with zero chance of being signed, but not a replacement bill?

    Did you even read the articles you cited? They both support my position that they are all talk and little to no action.

    Directly from the Politifact article:

    1. “His staff sent us a list of 24 Republican proposals released over the years, starting with President George W. Bush’s call for health reforms in 2007.”
    Why did he wait until the Democrats regained control of Congress? Where was this in 2003 when Republicans controlled all 3 branches?

    2. “Republicans circulated many ideas and put forth many bills. None of them gained enough support within the GOP to become a clear conservative alternative to Obamacare, and even if they had, it was unlikely Democrats would go along.”
    Meaning, the Republicans don’t even like their own bills presented among themselves.

    3. “One put up by the Republican Study Committee with more than 100 cosponsors would give a $7,500 deduction to individuals and $20,000 to families. To pay for the deductions, that bill would also eliminate a long-standing tax break on employer-provided insurance. So while some new faces would get insurance on the individual market, the out-of-pocket expenses would likely go up for many Americans, especially those who get good coverage through work.”
    Please explain how this is good.

    4. In regards to allowing insurance companies to sell policies across state lines:
    “The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted savings of about $12 billion from 2007-15, but most experts did not believe it would dramatically impact the cost of insurance or entice more people to sign up. The CBO predicts it would mean cheaper premiums for healthier individuals and more costly insurance for those who have health issues and are already paying a lot. That’s the opposite goal of health care reform.”
    Aren’t these some of the same complaints of the PPACA?

    4. “Tort reform would change statutes regarding medical malpractice lawsuits, which Republicans say lead to frivolous claims and legal costs. It saves money, but it’s nothing to write home about. In 2010, the CBO said modest reforms, such as capping noneconomic damages at $250,000 and punitive damages at $500,000, would save $54 billion in federal spending over the next 10 years. Such a move would also reduce medical liability insurance and eliminate some threat of lawsuits that push doctors to prescribe unnecessary medical tests, decreasing overall health care costs by 0.5 percent.”
    While I am an advocate for tort reform as a way to lessen the burden on the courts, it’s not exactly awesome health insurance savings.

    5. “Republican plans have called for about $25 billion to support states that create high-risk pools for sicker patients who have a hard time getting coverage on the individual markets. We’ve talked to experts in the past who have said that’s probably not enough to make it a viable option for the states or the consumers, since the insurance would have to be heavily subsidized to make it cost-effective.”
    Exactly what I have been saying about high-risk pools.

    6. “Since at least 2000, Republicans have pushed for something called Association Health Plans, which allow some small businesses to pool together and buy insurance as a group. However, this would impact a small portion of the population and just 600,000 of the 47 million uninsured people would gain coverage, according to the CBO. A larger pool would lower rates for small business employees already purchasing coverage and healthy individuals. But it would also mean higher premiums for most other insured individuals “because a disproportionate share of enrollees with lower-than-expected health care costs would leave the regulated market to obtain insurance through an AHP, thereby increasing the average expected health care costs of those remaining in the regulated market,” the CBO said.”
    So Republicans were aware of the need for health care reform since at least 2000, but did nothing when they had control from 2003-07. More support of my assertions.

    7. “While some of these proposals could shift the cost curve down, nothing we came across would directly impact quality of care, as Johnson claimed. We ran the list by a panel of experts as well, and many of them agreed.

    ‘Johnson may be exaggerating a bit numerically, but the more important point is that the Republican plans would do next to nothing to improve quality, extend coverage, or control spending growth,’ said Henry Aaron, a health policy expert at the Brookings Institute.

    William Dow, a professor of health care economics and head of the University of California Berkeley Division of Health Policy and Management, largely agreed. ‘There is little here that would improve quality,’ he said. ‘Some could have minor effects on controlling costs.'”

    bob, you really need to start finding sources that support your argument, not destroy it.

    • January 21, 2016 at 1:15 pm
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      7.

      Disagreement and subjective opinion. We don’t know do we? The republicans claim it will, he claims it won’t. I’m starting there. The bills were still proposed, and this is what they were proposed to do. My link doesn’t destroy itself.

      now working back from most important to least, dumb ass:

      Your (first) 4. Again, theory and conjecture and opinion. You ask aren’t these the same problems as the ACA? I say: We don’t know. It never passed. Even politifact is trying to say what a bill that didn’t pass would have done. Exactly why they couldn’t pass the bills.

      2. No. This means republicans didn’t have a super majority, and even the slightest disagreement would result in it not passing, because the democrats UNIVERSALLY got in the way. We had this argument before. If even 3 republicans in that time frame said no, the rest of the 40 some democrats would make it impossible. The democrats would be more to blame, than the 3 republicans, dumb ass. Plus: This happens more on the right than the left…Yet the right is more non partisan correct? When this happens it means there is discord. More discord means less partisan behavior. So republicans…Are more bipartisan then? Is that what you’re saying here if you actually believe what you’re saying? On which area are you a hypocrite on ron? Dumb Ass.

      1: This article wasn’t extending back to Bush, and may have done so on purpose. Just because politifact is a fact checker doesn’t mean that it doesn’t lean liberal. I use it on you for that very reason, dumb ass, and I will post a link outside of this which will show you the things Bush W did pass, (actually many of them) and proposed.

      Your second 4: Ok…Don’t know why you put that here.

      5: Your opinion, their opinion, it is still SOMETHING whereas you said NOTHING.

      6. CONTRADICT NUMBER 1. He didn’t wait, things were not passed, and that goes back to my number 2! WHY DIDN’T THE PLANS PASS?

      It was not the WHOLE of republicans. Just because republicans had control does not mean it was them. You have said this same thing of Obama and democrats!

      DO A DAMN LOOK AT WHO VOTED ON AND WHO BLOCKED WHAT. REFER TO NUMBER 2!!!!! All it takes is 3 republicans not voting in accord.

      DUMB ASS.

    • January 21, 2016 at 1:21 pm
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      Since I know you will comment on 1:

      The article does not extend to the “entirety” of Bush.

      Clearly, since it didn’t have what I linked. It threw in some piecemeal and left it at that.

      Probably as I said for a liberal agenda reason.

      • January 21, 2016 at 2:51 pm
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        bob,

        I stand corrected.

        Do you agree with those laws passed by the Republicans? The article is not too friendly towards them. I especially enjoyed the lines:

        “In signing the new Medicare prescription drug bill into law, the President presided over the largest entitlement expansion since the Great Society.”

        “The President supported and signed into law the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003, creating a universal entitlement of unknown cost for pre­scription drug coverage within Medicare.”

        “However, because the drug benefit is an open-ended entitle­ment, not simply targeted to poor seniors without coverage, the new law will worsen Medicare’s already deepening financial problems”

        “Curiously, while the President and Con­gress are both clearly committed to this massive entitlement expansion, neither Congress nor the President have indicated precisely how they will pay for these promised Medicare benefits.”

        “Beyond the shocking price tag of the Medicare drug entitlement, its 2006 implementation prom­ises to be difficult and disruptive for millions of senior citizens, because most senior citizens (roughly three out of four) already have some form of prescription drug coverage. Instead of target­ing taxpayer dollars to the minority of seniors without drug coverage, the President and Con­gress created a universal entitlement to a complex and confusing drug benefit, including big gaps in coverage.”

        Please tell the class again why we should trust the Republicans to fix health care and how they are fiscally Conservative?

      • January 21, 2016 at 4:55 pm
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        Bob, as I remember the Medicare Prescription Drug bill was passed in a bi-partisan way with both Republican & Democratic support instead of force fed through with bribes, deceipt, corruption that Democrats forced through with Obamacare. Did you know that seniors have a charge for their Medicare & Drug coverage and deducted from every Social Security check they receive? It is called a premium and helps pay for the program. In addition, most seniors buy a Supplemental policy to pay what Medicare doesn’t and Drug Card which also charges a premium.

        • January 22, 2016 at 8:02 am
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          Agent,

          Honest, non-loaded question:

          Do you believe the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003 is a good law for America and/or Americans?



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