How Clinton, Trump Differ on Health Reform

By and | September 23, 2016

  • September 23, 2016 at 1:24 pm
    Woweegirl1 says:
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    As a middle income family who can not afford the ACA. Repealing this act seems to be the best remedy for my family. health insurance costs have soared and the government is now paying millions in health costs for low or no income families while people in my situation can’t afford to go to the doctor for emergencies.

  • September 23, 2016 at 1:33 pm
    Chuck says:
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    For those of us working and not on welfare or rich, high premiums and deductibles are rapidly becoming unaffordable. With Hillary, things will only get worse and the middle class will abandon health insurance and declare bankruptcy when hit with a $100,000 hospital bill. And what happened to my $2500 reduction promised by Obama? More lies.

  • September 23, 2016 at 1:51 pm
    boonedoggle says:
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    ACA has certainly presented hardships for maintaining compensation levels for executives of health insurers. Prior to ACA, the CEO of one insurer received $108 million in annual compensation. It was documented that at least 6 corporate jets, owned or leased by health insurers were observed transporting executives to a Super Bowl. Since ACA required insurers to start paying 80% of premium dollars for health care benefits, not a single insurer CEO has earned over $100 million, and no doubt some corporate jet pilots are now out of work. As Trump says, we NEED to return to the old ways!

    • September 23, 2016 at 1:54 pm
      Jeff says:
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      Is that you, Hillary?

      • September 23, 2016 at 2:08 pm
        BG says:
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        no Donald its the voice for people that need help.

      • September 23, 2016 at 2:15 pm
        David says:
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        Nope, that sounds more like Elizabeth or Bernie.

    • September 23, 2016 at 2:13 pm
      Jack says:
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      boonedoggle- what a bunch of horse dung. All you care about is what the ceo makes and families out here cant afford to buy ins? Speaks volumes of your mental disorder (libtardism).

    • September 23, 2016 at 2:21 pm
      Jax Agent says:
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      So the fact that the ACA has been an abject failure doesn’t seem to bother you. Socialist much ? Your score keeping needs an enema, which isn’t covered so you’ll have to give it to yourself.

      • September 23, 2016 at 2:32 pm
        Deplorables says:
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        This article could have been authored by Josh Earnest since it is so pro Obama/Clinton. These people have no idea how this dastardly legislation has hurt Americans, particularly the Middle Class aka the Lower Middle Class after 8 years of Progressive Socialist Democratic rule. Obama may get out of town just in time before the total implosion begins.

    • September 23, 2016 at 2:26 pm
      B.Right says:
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      Boonedoggle, so you think the government should be able to cap your income level?

    • September 23, 2016 at 4:36 pm
      Jack Kanauph says:
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      Well said Boonedoggle. I get it! But I am still voting for TRUMP.

      • September 23, 2016 at 4:48 pm
        Deplorables says:
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        Jack, these Socialist really do a lot of screaming, don’t they. The agenda is in tatters, didn’t work, will never work and they have to resort to screaming about CEO’s and money they make. Same thing on the worker bees in this industry complaining about what their bosses make.

    • September 23, 2016 at 5:03 pm
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      That same CEO who owns a massive amount of company stock and watched that stock price triple under ACA. Ordinary income tax vs. long term capital gains tax? The CEO did better under ACA. Where did our Secretary of HHS come from? Oh yes, that same health insurance company.

  • September 23, 2016 at 2:06 pm
    BG says:
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    So lets think for a moment – we have a chance to be sure 9.6 million uninsured people get health coverage or we give a tax break to the people that are wealthy. what happen to our benevolent society? Im in the insurance industry and quite frankly ashamed at us only thinking about OUR pocketbook. My commission on health has been reduced since ACA came into law, but its a small price to pay for the people that refused coverage in the past. This is life and death for some. Open your hearts.

    • September 23, 2016 at 3:01 pm
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      Don’t outsource or delegate your compassion.

      If you want to help an uninsured or poverty stricken person, go do it face to face. Don’t use the government as your intermediary.

      • September 23, 2016 at 3:30 pm
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        Shame on you! I guessing you don’t believe in welfare for the poor either. As long as it does not impact your wallet, right? Just so you know, if you ever need help, there are people in this country that will continue to offer you a hand and ask the government to help as well. Perhaps we should cut out FEMA?
        Why are we supporting education for everyone? How much does that cost you? We are talking about survival for some, my friend.

        • September 23, 2016 at 4:34 pm
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          Welfare was supposed to help people get on their feet…NOT become a way of life. Shame on YOU, BG, for being a socialist.

          • September 26, 2016 at 8:59 am
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            Jesus taught us to ignore poor people, ignore the sick people, and be a Capitalist! Oh wait, that’s Supply Side Jesus.

          • September 27, 2016 at 7:54 am
            DePolarBearables says:
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            Jesus taught us to learn to fish to feed ourselves for life.

            Jesus didn’t want us to ask others to fish for us for life.

          • September 27, 2016 at 8:07 am
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            So, Jesus would want us to provide the best education of all of his children, not just for the middle to upper class?

            Please tell the Republicans.

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:06 pm
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            No. Everyone can’t fish and catch swordfish and salmon. Some have to settle for catching groupers, flounders, and panfish.

            Please tell the Democrat / Socialist Elitists who eat salmon yet tell the peasants who vote for them to use food stamps and ‘get scrod’.

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:15 pm
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            There is risk in the world, so risk bearing requires formation of companies that are rewarded with profits.

            Other service industries have little to no risk and can be served by companies that bear no risk and require no reward.

            However, by the definition of a population of people and their risk bearing and risk-free activities, most companies must bear some risk and receive profits as incentive to those providing the capital to form such companies.

            If you want to argue against risk bearing and profits, go find a message board used by drug addicts, pre-teens, etc., who generally know little about economics and finance. An insurance message board is certainly NOT the place to argue that risk-bearing insurance companies should operate as non-profits.

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:44 pm
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            One of the results of my plan is that risk is removed from the private companies and will be born by the government and the taxpayers.

            Now can we have non-profit health insurance companies?

          • September 28, 2016 at 8:41 am
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            Hey Christians, Jesus taught us to ignore poor people, ignore the sick people, and be a Capitalist! Oh wait, that’s Supply Side Jesus.

          • September 28, 2016 at 1:25 pm
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            Don’t be concerned with Captain Planet, DePolarBearables…he doesn’t believe in Jesus. If he did, he’d know that Jesus taught totally opposite of what CP sites on this blog.

          • September 28, 2016 at 10:58 pm
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            Evidently, Patticake never read The Bible or needs a refresher course. Jesus can both preach about teaching others to fish and lend a hand. Jesus never denied anyone in need, regardless of their fishing skills.

            Also, here in America, not everyone is within distance of a “pond”, let alone a clean one to fish from (which will certainly get worse if we turn into China and deregulate clean water standards). Please understand, this is an analogy. Open your mind a bit to understand the full message. Not everyone has a fair chance and that substandard has been implemented over the years on purpose. Shamefully, it still exists today.

          • September 29, 2016 at 1:17 pm
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            “Also, here in America, not everyone is within distance of a “pond”, let alone a clean one to fish from (which will certainly get worse if we turn into China and deregulate clean water standards). Please understand, this is an analogy. Open your mind a bit to understand the full message. Not everyone has a fair chance and that substandard has been implemented over the years on purpose. Shamefully, it still exists today.”

            This is true, for a smaller percentage of people than those who ride the system for a free life. We take in 6.7 Trillion per year and was estimated to have 6.7 trillion in spending. Out of a 17.914 trillion economy. That is 37% Planet! If 37% isn’t enough to help the poor, out of what everyone produces, that is a freaking problem! What will it take? 65%? Do we have to spend over a third of everyone’s product to make sure people have their “needs”?

            Let me show something else. Let’s say you get married both making let’s say $20,000 a year. Apart, if you had two kids and each claimed one, and lived unmarried, you would get more assistance in the form of tax benefits. I also know this because getting married cost me about $3,000 per year myself. These are the people who need help that the democrats have set up a system that encourages people to go against God, and harm others I might add. Living unmarried getting help when you could resolve your average marriage differences (divorce should not be 50% or above, we do not have an epidemic of violence to that degree in marriage) and not cause the higher living costs as a result. And the left is the one who put in place the no fault divorce laws allowing this. Before, you had to have cheating or violence. Now, you can get divorced if you just don’t like your partner and give up easily. It is bad for America. It turns out what God planned is good for everyone.

            You are not for God. It’s time to stop this charade.

          • September 29, 2016 at 1:18 pm
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            That 6.7 Trillion in revenues is including local and federal.

            This is basically getting insane.

            People like you aren’t content until everything is free for the poor. That’s a bad idea.

            The government cannot, and should not, end poverty. Business should. Work should.

            Anything you give away for free damages productivity. Anything you work for, well, helps it.

          • October 2, 2016 at 9:56 pm
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            ” These are the people who need help that the democrats have set up a system that encourages people to go against God, and harm others I might add. Living unmarried getting help when you could resolve your average marriage differences (divorce should not be 50% or above, we do not have an epidemic of violence to that degree in marriage) and not cause the higher living costs as a result. And the left is the one who put in place the no fault divorce laws allowing this. Before, you had to have cheating or violence. Now, you can get divorced if you just don’t like your partner and give up easily. It is bad for America. It turns out what God planned is good for everyone.

            You are not for God. It’s time to stop this charade.”

            —— Bob. Atheist marriages last longer than religious ones

            http://www.salon.com/2013/11/01/atheist_marriages_may_last_longer_than_christian_ones_partner/

            You constantly whine that anybody calling you out on your ignorant bulls… is a bigot. Another term you don’t know the definition of and cannot use “proper”. But, here you are being an outright bigot against people who arent insane theocrats. Just go away, bigot.

            NO shock you support a racist, war mongering piece of trash like Trump, who seems to fully align with your insane beliefs.

          • October 3, 2016 at 5:54 pm
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            “—— Bob. Atheist marriages last longer than religious ones

            http://www.salon.com/2013/11/01/atheist_marriages_may_last_longer_than_christian_ones_partner/

            I was not making a point on that Actu, I was making a point on a religious note, that current law encourages you not to get married. It punishes many for it. This detail above I will research and respond to when I have time though, even though it’s intention is to derail.

            “You constantly whine that anybody calling you out on your ignorant bulls… is a bigot. Another term you don’t know the definition of and cannot use “proper”. But, here you are being an outright bigot against people who arent insane theocrats. Just go away, bigot.”

            Incorrect. I only call someone a bigot when they weave that as the basis of their argument rather than facts. Other people I just call wrong and idiots. I do know the meaning of the word bigot. you do not. I have source quoted the definition and explained how I used it properly. Let’s do that again:

            “a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.”

            And because you have no argument against mine, you try to derail and say I don’t know how to use words. Even if I didn’t, to argue how I phrase what I say instead of the substance is arguing semiotics, a concept I am more than certain you are not aware of the meaning considering how often you do it. Most arguments with you turn into this.

            “NO shock you support a racist, war mongering piece of trash like Trump, who seems to fully align with your insane beliefs.”

            Again, bigoted. You just basically labeled someone a bigot because they have policies you don’t like, and they don’t agree with you. Funny thing, and I’ll find the link on this and come back later, liberal sites a couple months ago said Trump would be DANGEROUS because he was so anti war, and it made them wish for Bush W type policies. Then they switched to the other side. The media is hilarious in how it tries to do “gotcha” at any cost with Trump.

            Let me explain something to you, Trump is not racist. His plan for the wall isn’t racist. As I showed, when he made the Illegal Mexican immigrant comment, he wasn’t racist. 22% of our criminals in prison costing 1.5 billion annually are illegal immigrants who keep on coming back, and who the government is saying we shouldn’t be strict regarding. When we let murderers back in and Trump gets enraged, that is not racism.

            It is not racist to talk about an ideology, a damaging one that oppresses people, and to restrict that ideology from being spread here. Did you like the actual rape rings in Europe? Over 1400, just from the refugees, and the police didn’t handle it properly at all in the name of being pc.

            I’ll give you sources on that too.

          • October 4, 2016 at 1:24 pm
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            Ok Actu, here is a breakdown of what you said, and some of this I’m still doing for Planet rather than you, because he made it a religious issue. You’ll be able to tell when I switch because you won’t care or it won’t be relevant to you.

            http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_marriage

            A lot of people call themselves Christians. Not a lot are. Many just say it to feel good about themselves. Regular Church goers actually have lower divorce rates, substantially.

            There is evidence that there is more domestic violence among atheists.

            Also, nearly half of all kids are born outside of wedlock. This is largely due to pushing for sex outside of marriage, and the atheist movement. I used to have a problem with people who said wait until marriage, now I have a problem with people who don’t. In the first point, you’re setting up to hurt people. Women get hurt by this quite a bit, and atheists do not care. In the second point, nearly the majority of poverty is from divided non married families. One of the biggest indicators of poverty is whether or not your mom and dad stay together. Atheists insist on not getting married just because you have a child, I insist, and this isn’t due to God either, or religion, this is due to common sense and responsibility, that if you have a child with someone, you stay together unless there are dire circumstances, which would be rare. Having couple conflict issues? Go get counseling. Dated someone who abuses you? I’ve personally seen those things end, but, you yourself take part in that. The most common form of couple violence is bi directional, and the most common form of one way violence is female to female. I’ll give links on that shortly. Below is the section regarding married folks who attend Church regularly having a lower rate of divorce. What you have to realize is that Christians like that, don’t believe. I don’t even really consider myself to be a strong believer, I’m not a regular Church goer, and while I like the idea of Church, what it does, and I believe that considering the values and concepts that are out there God exists, I am a horrible follower and or believer in God. I can best describe it as in bursts. I defend God, I defend religion, but remember this: I was an agnostic for a very long time. I said I had to make the choice to be Catholic, logic forced me to. Just because my logic has made me convert does not mean my heart has, as well as my old habits. I haven’t been to Church since Easter and have found that I’m having troubles staying in the Church due to many years of living without religion. It’s difficult to explain. It’s not that I don’t believe and it’s not that I do.

            “The social researcher and author Shaunti Feldhahn found that those who attend church regularly have a significantly lower divorce rate than those who don’t.[4][5] Feldhahn conducted eight years of research on divorce statistics and examined U.S. Census data, data from various university centers and relevant books/journals.[6] In addition, Feldhahn interviewed social science researchers about their methodology and to confirm various quotes.”

        • September 24, 2016 at 10:03 pm
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          Hey, Jesus taught us to ignore poor people, ignore the sick people, and be a Capitalist! Oh wait, that’s Supply Side Jesus.

          • September 26, 2016 at 8:27 am
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            It’s interesting that every time we talk about government provided healthcare, the left brings up Jesus. But when we try to talk about Abortion, Marriage or God in School, the left conveniently wants to leave Jesus out.

          • September 26, 2016 at 9:30 am
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            B.Right,

            That is because the right claims to be the party of Christian beliefs. That is, until they have to put their money where their mouths are and actually walk the walk.

            In addition, the right tries to justify their positions based on their religious beliefs. We are suppose to keep our religions and government separate.

            Can you tell us where it says in the Bible to put profits before people?

          • September 26, 2016 at 10:48 am
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            No one said anything about putting profits before people.

            Christianity is the largest provider of healthcare in the world next to governments. Where do they get the money to do that? Voluntary contributions.

          • September 26, 2016 at 12:21 pm
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            B. Right,

            Then why are health care insurance companies for-profit? Please tell the class what is the number one goal of a for-profit company, especially if it is publicly traded?

            Not in this country.

          • September 26, 2016 at 12:59 pm
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            The goal of a for-profit company is to maximize shareholder wealth in perpetuity.

            If the government gets out of the way, insurance has elastic demand, meaning the consumer ultimately dictates the price.

          • September 26, 2016 at 1:28 pm
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            B. Right,

            Thank you for agreeing that profits come before people.

            Do you want health insurance to be completely de-regulated?

            That may work in some industries, but not in insurance. Just ask the actuaries. If that were the case, wouldn’t everyone have cheap health care insurance?

          • September 26, 2016 at 2:23 pm
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            Ron,

            I’m not agreeing that profits come before people. Profits are necessary though as they fuel competition and bring about a better quality product.

          • September 27, 2016 at 7:58 am
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            @Ron; Health insurance companies make a profit because there is risk involved. Otherwise, no health insurance would be brought to the market and it wouldn’t exist as it does today. Exception is the travesty caused in the market by the ACA.

            Also, profits are needed to create more jobs through formation of profit seeking companies that require large infusions of capital to form.

          • September 27, 2016 at 8:11 am
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            I have no problem with certain industries being for-profit. I just do not think health care insurance should be one of those. Just imagine what we could do if we started putting people before profits.

            Profits are not needed to create jobs. In fact, the country’s largest employer is a not-for-profit.

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:08 pm
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            Apparently, Ron, your opinion holds little weight in the marketplace, where risk bearing requires rewards in terms of profits.

            In your utopian world, insurance bears no risk. How does THAT happen? Please explain.

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:46 pm
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            The risk would be transferred from private health insurance companies to the government and taxpayers.

          • September 27, 2016 at 6:20 pm
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            Ron: do a little research on Free Market Economy. If the government will get out of the way, the people will dictate who prevails and at what price.

          • September 28, 2016 at 8:22 am
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            Jax Agent,

            Stop propagating lies. Supply and demand is what drives prices in a free market economy, not the consumers. If that were the case, I should be able to pay my doctor $1 for a visit, if I so choose.

            By the way, there are no government regulations regarding what people pay for health care today. That is why there is so much fluctuation in what hospitals and doctors charge based on whether or not someone has insurance.

      • September 27, 2016 at 10:06 am
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        B Right, a government that pays you to do nothing destroys your willingness to do anything.

        • September 27, 2016 at 1:47 pm
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          Agent,

          I agree with you 100%

    • September 23, 2016 at 4:33 pm
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      Oh, please, BG…I have an open heart, I am benevolent, I help my fellow man. Yet, someone calls me a ‘deplorable’..I am tapped out by opening my WALLET! It’s your socialist views that are ruining this nation.

      • September 24, 2016 at 10:15 pm
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        Patticake,
        Please be sure to look at the full Clinton “deplorable” comment. See both baskets she is talking about and tell me if you are in the one with David Duke or the other basket. Please don’t stop at the Faux News 3 second soundbite.

        • September 28, 2016 at 1:33 pm
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          CP–be sure to look at the full person you see in the mirror when you look in it. I’m fully aware of her entire comment. She is despicable, bigoted, oh, and DEPLORABLE herself. Any woman..ANY woman who allows her husband to rape women and stand by in the name of politics–and then blame the women for their rape is DEPLORABLE. Any woman who takes money from countries who rape/kill/maim their women is DEPLORABLE. I would not vote for that P.O.S. if my life depended on it.

          • September 28, 2016 at 5:22 pm
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            Patticake, let’s not forget that she went on NBC and declared that it was all the fault of the vast right wing conspiracy when her husband got caught with his pants down. That is, until the blue dress showed up. She tried to ruin every woman he had contact with. You don’t get more despicable than the Clinton’s. She is definitely not a champion of women’s rights. Too bad there are Feminazi’s that think the moon is hung on whatever she says.

          • September 28, 2016 at 11:00 pm
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            Rape women, huh? You mean like the case against Trump raping an under-aged girl in the courts currently? I don’t remember Bill ever being convicted of rape. You must believe in the conspiracy about the Clintons being murderers, too. Is your name really Alex Jones?

          • September 29, 2016 at 1:35 pm
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            The one that the wife pulled the statement well before this election, so she was not intimidated into retracting it?

            The one that was found in court to not be rape?

            That one?

            Yeah, I’m well aware of your bull. Move along Planet! Remove the plank from your eye! Hillary did in fact do what Patticake is mentioning. She demonized people who said they were rape. In the public eye, this is very severe.

          • September 29, 2016 at 3:15 pm
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            “The one that the wife pulled the statement well before this election, so she was not intimidated into retracting it?
            The one that was found in court to not be rape?
            That one?”

            Clueless, as always. You don’t even know the case you are attacking, no doubt you will instantly believe it to be false no matter what when you hear about it on Rush, and therefore it is allowed to exist in your mind. Just an outright liar, just like Trump. Yeah, he was cleared in court by paying her the settlement and forcing her to sign an NDA.

            You are referring to a separate, earlier rape accusation against Trump by his ex-wife-this is not the separate sexual assault claim an employee of his hotel made. In this case she testified under oath. Trump then settled with her and made her sign an NDA. She cannot comment on this in the affirmative or it will literally cost her millions of dollars. The story speaks for itself, as does the fact that the judge granted her a divorce on the basis of cruel and unusual treatment after hearing her testimony. The case you are denying without knowing about is one where 2 separate women have testified under oath – 1 2 times – they allegedly were raped by him at a party when underage, and then again in multiple occasions. The person who supposedly participated and threw the party later went to jail for solicitation of underage prostitutes. Even if it’s not true, it’s telling you don’t even look into before denying it, and then tell either lies, or show your lack of knowledge on the case you commented on.

            Of course, as a “moderate” you will continue to believe Trump, as you have even when video evidence contradicts himself. Based on your previous sexist statements, and constant whining because of a pretty apparent obsession with supposed false accusations of rape you probably believe what Trump’s lawyer said on the matter when he claimed it was impossible to rape your wife.

          • September 29, 2016 at 5:36 pm
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            “Clueless, as always. You don’t even know the case you are attacking, no doubt you will instantly believe it to be false no matter what when you hear about it on Rush, and therefore it is allowed to exist in your mind. Just an outright liar, just like Trump. Yeah, he was cleared in court by paying her the settlement and forcing her to sign an NDA.

            You are referring to a separate, earlier rape accusation against Trump by his ex-wife-this is not the separate sexual assault claim an employee of his hotel made. In this case she testified under oath. Trump then settled with her and made her sign an NDA. She cannot comment on this in the affirmative or it will literally cost her millions of dollars. The story speaks for itself, as does the fact that the judge granted her a divorce on the basis of cruel and unusual treatment after hearing her testimony. The case you are denying without knowing about is one where 2 separate women have testified under oath – 1 2 times – they allegedly were raped by him at a party when underage, and then again in multiple occasions. The person who supposedly participated and threw the party later went to jail for solicitation of underage prostitutes. Even if it’s not true, it’s telling you don’t even look into before denying it, and then tell either lies, or show your lack of knowledge on the case you commented on. ”

            On item one: The only phrase regarding rape and bald issues that Planet mentioned in the past, and I refer to it because he keeps using things that are not confirmed, is a book, written by someone else. There is no sworn statement making mention of what Planet depicted. I use this example, because it is someone else talking about the rape.

            Also, Melania did not try to attack Trump’s ex wife in public. Hillary went full on the assault to anyone claiming that her husband was a rapist.

            Moving onward:

            I did look into this. Show me the deposition from the Trump case. Oh, you can’t, can you? I know nothing? You know nothing.

            Moving on yet again:

            Trump was not charged. And divorces are usually ugly. For cruel treatment according to a lady that felt she was ripped off by receiving $300,000 a year in child support. Yeah. Totally. I’m not buying it. She wanted to say whatever possible to try and increase that amount she thought she had earned simply by being Trump’s wife. You have NO evidence that Trump was cruel and yet you like to believe it don’t you. You have as much evidence as I do on what I just said, only common sense dictates that $300,000 for child support is enough for her.

            On to the child rape claim:

            She asked for $100 million dollars and had no proof.

            Let’s look at a bit of this shall we?

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/21/trump-rape-accusers-turn-on-each-other.html

            Yeah…Looks legit.

            Totally. You’re a moron who grabs for straws. Racist! Sexist! Rapist! Murderer! Torturer of innocents!

            I believe that you have looked into this, or not.

            Based on how little you look into everything else.

            Tell me, did you know my facts below with regards to illegal immigrants?

            The one Trump actually was speaking regarding and was called racist for? The one he was right about? And he verified he was talking about?

            That reporters didn’t report regarding?

            You’re in inept piece of trash, morally.

          • September 29, 2016 at 5:38 pm
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            And when I say show me the deposition:

            The rape claim as it appears in that book, that the wife basically said was false,

            Did not match the deposition. Why wasn’t it in there? It seems a pretty serious claim doesn’t it?

            Perhaps that book writer embellished the story? And perhaps the wife knew she had no grounds for it and was simply trying to get more child support?

            Perhaps.

            You can believe Trump is a rapist but all it makes you is a tin foil hat speculative hack.

            I don’t come on here calling Bill Clinton a rapist. And you view those who do as trash, and I view you as just as much trash.

            See? I’m fair in your moral code aren’t I? Admit it. You know I am.

          • September 29, 2016 at 5:40 pm
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            DO NOT call me clueless as always, boy.

            I’m getting sick of your peacock tail waving all around whenever you think you’re the biggest peacock of the walk.

            I am not clueless. The facts I put here were very well thought out, and included many government sources.

            Clueless as always…You arrogant little child.

          • September 29, 2016 at 6:14 pm
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            Or in short, you looked into the new case for 5 seconds and immediately believed Trump and his claim about the conspiracy theory, even though he had supported a lot of bs conspiracy theories in the past, and you immediately agreed with his position on the rape of his ex-wife, ignoring the claims made by multiple sources claiming the absence of public testimony, despite the NDA prohibiting it, as proof. Like I said, you believe anything he, and they say. You support any bs right wing claim, and ignore dozens to hundreds to even thousands of independent claims you don’t agree with.

            Another example of what this kind of “thinking” leads to is decades of denial when a group like the church has basically a pedophilia ring operating worldwide.

          • September 29, 2016 at 6:23 pm
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            “Or in short, you looked into the new case for 5 seconds and immediately believed Trump and his claim about the conspiracy theory, even though he had supported a lot of bs conspiracy theories in the past, and you immediately agreed with his position on the rape of his ex-wife, ignoring the claims made by multiple sources claiming the absence of public testimony, despite the NDA prohibiting it, as proof. Like I said, you believe anything he, and they say. You support any bs right wing claim, and ignore dozens to hundreds to even thousands of independent claims you don’t agree with.

            Another example of what this kind of “thinking” leads to is decades of denial when a group like the church has basically a pedophilia ring operating worldwide.”

            I believe any right wing lie? What specifically right here UW? How is that related to now? Or is this just an ad hominem attack with no relevance except my character?

            In the now YOU made a far left comment that YOU believe, and YOU are SURPRISED I don’t. Do you get that?

            You will believe any rape claim. You certainly believe both rape claims with regards to Trump, and I specifically pointed out I do not believe the rape claims regarding Clinton. Sooooo…Hmm…I believe ANY lie? Your weakness shows itself again UW. ANY ALL NONE. That is your weakness.

            I believed HIS claim about the conspiracy theory? No. I made my OWN commentary, and the sources I used prove that. I used DATA and as usual, as trained by the left, the only thing you can do is group me in with someone else and make me guilty by some other group’s supposed beliefs that you have NOT source quoted.

            Conspiracy theory? It is a conspiracy theory to say someone is after Trump for his wealth and that $300,000 a year of child support is enough? It is conspiracy theory to point out that literally all high profile break ups turn out with massive settlements and with people trying to mar their husbands in the public eye? No. It’s not. I gave you a source you didn’t like that went over the clown show of who represents your rape example, and that as of yet, this woman has yet to return their request for more information and proof regarding the rape. Did you read that or not?

            Do you remember the infamous article from Rolling Stones regarding rape?

            WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THIS RAPE OCCURRED. None! In the case of the younger woman, we have literal hearsay.

            We don’t try people in kangaroo courts. Go ahead, prove me wrong. Show me actual evidence on this matter that happened in 1994 supposedly. That is a burden of proof on you. I am not extreme for telling you that you are full of crap for before believing a rape case, which I also said recently Agent was full of crap for calling Clinton a rapist. I don’t buy into tabloid style BS! So knock it off kid! You claim how everyone else is extreme while you say ALL EVERY ANY NONE etc, and then you believe ALL rape claims against Trump.

            For God’s sakes kid! I may be older than you, but probably not by much. You should be well capable at your age of ending this childish behavior.

          • September 29, 2016 at 6:24 pm
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            Also, how dare you accuse religion as a culprit of rape. It is people. If I said Muslim rape rings (which exist) would you be ok with that?

            http://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625

            Also, you are no more likely to be raped by a priest than a normal person.

            Idiot. Source quote for your crap, before running your mouth.

          • September 29, 2016 at 6:27 pm
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            Ok, I’ll play this game.

            How likely are you to be raped by Islamic believers in the Middle East?

            Sold into slavery?

            The literal sex slavery?

            You say it’s bigoted to point this out then you go after Christians? You idiot!

            Do I have to give you the numbers? I’m challenging you here. I know them. Give them to me. This forces you to look them up for once in your life.

            Give me the comparative numbers! I’m tired of spoon feeding you and others here.

            I had to go over torture studies and data and methodology, in which it was clear there was an issue and you made everything about feels while saying that is me!

            I had to go over the immigration issue, and illegal immigrants, and compare to the prison population.

            Do I have to hold your hand, to get you to do research and look at laws?

            You moron?

          • September 29, 2016 at 6:37 pm
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            In how many Islamic nations is it illegal to be gay?

            In how many is it punishable by death?

            You want to talk problems in religion, I am game UW! How many Islamic lead nations have freedoms similar to the Western World?

            Then compare the freedoms to Israel, one of the few remaining Christian countries, but take note, it is NOT a Christian state. Unlike Islamic states which literally have the religion built into it, Israel has religious leaders but not a religious government. Israel has Muslim leaders, Palestinians do not reciprocate to nearly the same level. Israel has freedoms and gender equality, as well as one of the best integration of the genders in military. Did you know this? It shows there is a divide in terms of freedom based on ideology, and the contrast is never more clear when studying Islamic nations vs Israel. Go do some freaking research. Both sides accuse each other of murder all the time, just like Putin and we do with each other, but obviously one or both is twisting those. So we have to look at their laws, and how they treat the others in their own nations. Does this make sense? And this is where there is a clear divide. If you are Muslim in Israel, you can be a government official. There are many. If you are Christian, you cannot be a leader in the Islamic lead nations.

            This is just one contrast. There is no wide spread rape of Muslims in Israel. There is widespread murder and rape from the Islamic folks in the same area. There are no Israel terrorist attacks yelling GOD AKBAR!!! There are daily, from Islamic nations all over the world. What random nation has Israel attacked today? I know, you will claim they attack Palestine but why aren’t they attacking globally like Islamic groups? Perhaps there is an ideological divide?

          • September 29, 2016 at 6:41 pm
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            Still waiting on those rape and sex trade numbers.

            And I’ll just wait for you to provide evidence and compare and contrast them to Christian rape numbers that were actually done with the authority of any major church.

            That last part will run you for a loop I’m sure, but it is critical. The Islamic faith allows and condones this.

            Go ahead, give me some numbers.

            You act like a 5 year old. I have to force you to back up your debates after you come in saying “It’s absolutely right, what I say is right”. I’m not inclined to believe you.

            I give sources all the time, you don’t. I’m going to make you have to back up your facts.

          • September 29, 2016 at 7:05 pm
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            And I have to emphasize this:

            Even if I thought she was fabricating rape, that is not a conspiracy theory.

            You are believing that someone who has not been tried in court is guilty. In your kangaroo court it is guilty until proven innocent, and even then, he isn’t innocent (even when she modifies her statement) because well, he should be guilty!

            It’s not fair!

            The reason we don’t have trials that work like this, and the reason this type of mob style justice you are encouraging isn’t ok, is because of the “if” factor I will call it.

            You are believing conspiracy theory rape whenever it suits you, and you throw it out for Clinton.

          • September 29, 2016 at 9:27 pm
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            ” believe any right wing lie? What specifically right here UW? How is that related to now? Or is this just an ad hominem attack with no relevance except my character?”

            Trump wasn’t in favor of deporting citizens, Trump wasn’t in favor of killing terrorists’ families, we invaded Iraq to free the Iraqis, Trump didn’t incite violence at his rallies, climate change is a myth, Benghazzziiii!!!!! emails, Clinton Foundation is corrupt, and on and on. All conspiracy theories based on nonsense. All things you have whined about.

            Again, please for the love of God have somebody explain what an ad hominen attack is. If I referred to you as dog-hater Bob, that would be ad hominen, if I stated you believed in X, Y, and Z, which related to your mindset and potentially your views that would not be ad hominen, because it is relevant, and relates to your (stupid) arguments.

            ” I use this example, because it is someone else talking about the rape.”

            It was actually multiple people confirming what the author had read in the pages of a deposition. Trump’s response was that the guy was unattractive, and of course his lawyer said you cannot rape your wife. As always you don’t even know the basics, you are just making up bullshit and repeating what you think you kind of heard. You are a few weeks away from being Agent and just saying you think you read it somewhere.

            “Also, Melania did not try to attack Trump’s ex wife in public. Hillary went full on the assault to anyone claiming that her husband was a rapist.”

            No crap, they weren’t married for 13 more years.

            Also, your source says nothing about $100 million. Lying, incompetent or both?

            Here is an example of BS Bob Math that you haven’t addressed. You are not worthy of debate on anything relating to economics, as I’ve proven, statistics, as I’ve proven, and now apparently even basic math, as I have proven. Just a total joke. Go back to hate sites and praying for the assassination, torture, and deportation of innocent people, and a civil war where the majority of people who don’t agree with your preferred, fantasy-based policies are killed–real Christian values for somebody constantly preaching about morality.

          • September 30, 2016 at 12:33 am
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            The Bob bs math you just pointed out? Is not. There were typos I will say that.

            The point was still valid. You cannot tax the .01% enough to fund the middle class, the fact you would even try to do this and say it is a good and say I’m the extremist, is insane.

            Even if I were wrong, it is not related to now and our current debate.

          • September 30, 2016 at 1:32 pm
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            “Trump wasn’t in favor of deporting citizens, Trump wasn’t in favor of killing terrorists’ families, we invaded Iraq to free the Iraqis, Trump didn’t incite violence at his rallies, climate change is a myth, Benghazzziiii!!!!! emails, Clinton Foundation is corrupt, and on and on. All conspiracy theories based on nonsense. All things you have whined about. ”

            Allow me to correct you on these.

            Climate change as democrats frame it is misleading, I have numerous times said that the man mad climate change is not catastrophic, and that there is not a 97% agreement that man made climate change is catastrophic. So there is one over exaggeration lie on your end. Trump wasn’t in favor of deporting US citizens, that is a fact. You tried to twist that conversation based on whether to deport children who were citizens with their illegal parents. Trump has said it would be better for the children to go with the Parents rather than be turned into orphans. We did invade Iraq to help Iraqis. It was in the speech Bush W said when we first went to war with them and it was announced. Go listen to it. I source quoted it here before. You tried and liberals tried to make Iraq solely about WMDs. Bush made it a multi issue. One of his claims was that Saddam was hiding terrorists connected with 9/11, as were the “axis of evil”. Remind me, was Osama bin Laden found in the axis of evil? He was. And evidence shows he was at points in Iraq when Bush W was trying to follow there. Trump did not incite violence at his rallies. I don’t need to explain that one further to an idiot like you. The Clinton foundation I have not once mentioned, but I will agree it is corrupt, if you are talking about this correctly which I will assume you are.

            Now, moving on: Believing Trump is not inciting violence is not conspiracy theory. Saying Trump incited violence because he would defend someone who FOUGHT BACK against people acting abhorrently and trying to brown shirt Trumps rallies, is not inciting violence. It is a conspiracy theory to say he called for the death of Hillary, and it is to say he is causing violence world wide though. Listening to why George W said we went to war is not conspiracy theory. Creating a false reason why he went and lied, is. Saying there is 97% consensus when even some of the leading people who agree with climate change called that number so misleading that it disrupts the conversation on climate change and makes it impossible to help (I will source quote this in a moment) is conspiracy theory.

            “Again, please for the love of God have somebody explain what an ad hominen attack is. If I referred to you as dog-hater Bob, that would be ad hominen, if I stated you believed in X, Y, and Z, which related to your mindset and potentially your views that would not be ad hominen, because it is relevant, and relates to your (stupid) arguments. ”

            The above is ad hominem. None of it was related to the topic at hand as to whether or not the rape occurred. Instead you said I would believe any conspiracy theory. You didn’t direct my comments, you didn’t prove your own, you went after my character. I know the definition, moron.

            “It was actually multiple people confirming what the author had read in the pages of a deposition. Trump’s response was that the guy was unattractive, and of course his lawyer said you cannot rape your wife. As always you don’t even know the basics, you are just making up bullshit and repeating what you think you kind of heard. You are a few weeks away from being Agent and just saying you think you read it somewhere. ”

            I am well aware of these comments. The guy who was speaking spoke legally. On legal terms. Whether it is PC is irrelevant. Whether Trump said the guy was ugly in defense does not make the book comments accurate. You need to prove it TRUE not attack others who call it false. Source quote how it is true, because it is not in the deposition, it is only in a book, and it was denounced by the person who was “raped” as being untrue. You just made this argument ad hominem as well, about character of others and not facts. Idiot.

            “No crap, they weren’t married for 13 more years.”

            You don’t get the point. It doesn’t matter why. To this date Melania has not attacked these “false rapists” and publicly shamed them. Hillary did, and it’s not ok or her place.

            “Also, your source says nothing about $100 million. Lying, incompetent or both?”

            No. It’s true. Inquisitor, Jeezebel, NYdaily news, and hell, even Snopes, agrees.

            http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/

            “Here is an example of BS Bob Math that you haven’t addressed. You are not worthy of debate on anything relating to economics, as I’ve proven, statistics, as I’ve proven, and now apparently even basic math, as I have proven. Just a total joke. Go back to hate sites and praying for the assassination, torture, and deportation of innocent people, and a civil war where the majority of people who don’t agree with your preferred, fantasy-based policies are killed–real Christian values for somebody constantly preaching about morality.”

            Again, after my character of a typo, rather than the overall concept, so I’m not worthy of debate on ANYTHING. If you were right as it is, that what I was saying was false (that the .001% cannot carry the rest through taxes) that would not make my other arguments false. I am not either always right or always wrong.

            I have not prayed for the torture of innocent people, I have not been for that, at all. Go back to where you are ok with innocent people dying rather than torturing terrorists, who are not innocent. I NEVER said I would do any action to start a civil war, I said that if your extremity continues, you will cause one. Right now your side is breaking up schools with riots, breaking up rallies, with riots, there are BLM riots and people shot every day. That is leftist ideology, and it is on campus. BLM also broke up debate on racial issues they found to be too sensitive. That is what I am saying will cause a civil war. Sooner or later they will kill someone, and there will be shots fired back. The shot heard round the world will surely follow, and it will be a reaction to your crap. I have not called for a civil war, child.

            You’re easy to deal with at this point, your extremity is too obvious.

            I would say go back to school…But I think you took too many social justice courses. I’m beginning to see a lot of that in you.

          • September 30, 2016 at 1:45 pm
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            UW:

            The opening lines of Bush W’s Iraq address:

            http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2013/03/18/full-text-of-president-george-w-bushs-speech-march-19-2003/

            “My fellow citizens, at this hour American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger.”

            Disarm Iraq, Free it’s people, and defend the world from grave danger. Regarding countries that harbor terrorists which was a big topic back then. How old were you when this occurred? You weren’t even in highschool were you? Considering you are younger than me…I’m going to guess you were what, 12? Younger than that? You’re forgetting something crucial, you listened to others report on this after the fact, when the media went against the war. I got to see this, and was old enough to fully understand it. I imagine you aren’t 30. You’re likely in your 20’s. This makes you 12 if you are even 25. I was not 12 when this happened and I remember where I was. I remember this speech.

            Let’s go over more quotes:

            “n this conflict, America faces an enemy who has no regard for conventions of war or rules of morality. Saddam Hussein has placed Iraqi troops and equipment in civilian areas, attempting to use innocent men, women and children as shields for his own military – a final atrocity against his people.”

            Talking again about the Iraqi people suffering.

            “I want Americans and all the world to know that coalition forces will make every effort to spare innocent civilians from harm. A campaign on the harsh terrain of a nation as large as California could be longer and more difficult than some predict. And helping Iraqis achieve a united, stable and free country will require our sustained commitment.”

            More about making Iraq a free nation, and that it will require a sustained commitment. Not that we would remove Saddam and leave.

            “We come to Iraq with respect for its citizens, for their great civilization and for the religious faiths they practice. We have no ambition in Iraq, except to remove a threat and restore control of that country to its own people.”

            Again, saying we are there to free it’s people.

            Seeing a trend here yet UW?

            “My fellow citizens, the dangers to our country and the world will be overcome. We will pass through this time of peril and carry on the work of peace. We will defend our freedom. We will bring freedom to others. And we will prevail.”

            And this is where we see what Bush W said a lot at the time. He was naive, I agree. He wanted to bring freedom to other nations that were being harmed. This is naive, but it does not mean his motivation is the bull crap the left said it was.

            He went around like a child, and that was how the media was able to take advantage of it.

            The Iraq war was largely about whether we could make nations free, and was about freeing Iraq’s people. There are of course the other reasons I said.

            It is “conspiracy theory” for me to say this, why? Just because you find it crazy?

            You find everything crazy that doesn’t agree with the left, even rejecting a rape allegation!

            You’re not credible.

            I have defended leftist style ideals, this includes a public option.

            Do you want to know why the country now has a Donald Trump? It’s not the right. The right is actually questioning their leaders.

            It is that the left has pissed off moderates so much it is insane, and is so tyrannical, the moderates will help anyone who is not mainstream republican get to office.

            The break ups in schools and riots and literal encouragement to treat micro aggression with macro, have caused a regressive left to be seen as cancer.

          • September 30, 2016 at 2:31 pm
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            “The Bob bs math you just pointed out? Is not. There were typos I will say that.”

            Wow, you are so full of shit, an absolute pathological liar. Don’t ever comment on math, economics, statistics, again. 100% clown. Even if it was a typo the math is still wrong as I pointed out. Nothing but lies from you on literally everything you comment on, no wonder you support Trump, how nonstop lies must be a positive to you.

            You are beyond uninformed on Iraq. Who cares what they said in that speech after months and months of talking about WMD, anthrax, Iraq being in on 9-11, and mushroom clouds.

            There is no right wing justification or lie you won’t immediately embrace and support wholeheartedly.

            And yes, your math skills are relevant here because you are posting bs and claiming your math supports it, and 100% if I commented on it you would meltdown more and start screaming about the math. It’s no different than an illiterate debating the contents of a novel. Get help, please.

          • September 30, 2016 at 2:33 pm
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            UW:

            This is a survey of 1800 people IN CLIMATE study. You tried to say my study didn’t include climatologists, though I did emphasize to you that there was very little difference in courses needed to become one by comparison,

            http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/07/30/what-consensus-the-97-consensus-is-now-43-less-than-half-of-climate-scientists-agree-with-un-ipcc-95-certainty/

            I tried to alert you the key wording on this is whether people believe in climate change has man as contributory to a smaller degree, or that man made climate change is the primary factor and it is a global threat specifically. There is consensus on the first. I would say even to 97% or more. There is not on the second, and this is why I said the democrats are being misleading.

            I am trying to find the link, but a famous credible person on this matter who believes that trying to make the later statement is dangerous and stops people from making change on even a small basis because it makes them all appear to be liars.

            I’ll try to find it, but he definitely posted on it in a public place as his own name as a comment on a scientific website. He’s active in the debate on it, but it’s hard to find.

          • September 30, 2016 at 2:38 pm
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            “Wow, you are so full of shit, an absolute pathological liar. Don’t ever comment on math, economics, statistics, again. 100% clown. Even if it was a typo the math is still wrong as I pointed out. Nothing but lies from you on literally everything you comment on, no wonder you support Trump, how nonstop lies must be a positive to you.

            You are beyond uninformed on Iraq. Who cares what they said in that speech after months and months of talking about WMD, anthrax, Iraq being in on 9-11, and mushroom clouds.

            There is no right wing justification or lie you won’t immediately embrace and support wholeheartedly.

            And yes, your math skills are relevant here because you are posting bs and claiming your math supports it, and 100% if I commented on it you would meltdown more and start screaming about the math. It’s no different than an illiterate debating the contents of a novel. Get help, please.”

            Oh screw you, I am not a liar. The point of that post was math on why if someone who has a billion dollar company cannot pay for all of his employees to have even a minor pay increase. That was the point. And that math is correct if you look at profit margins.

            Don’t ever debate again? Screw you. I don’t need help, you do.

            Who cares what they said in the speech? No. They didn’t spout lies for months, they talked about this again and again, you are making crap up. You didn’t read the articles, that is your fault. On the WMD’s, no one lied about them. The intelligence was not just US intelligence, British intelligence agreed. I gave you a report from the CIA which showed WMD’s. It was obviously a bad report, but I gave it to you from 2003. There were also scientists who Times said themselves, a liberal station, not conservative, and I gave you that link, that were starting the nuclear program. It was reported on ALONGSIDE other issues, you CHOSE to just see one.

            WHAT RIGHT WING LIES? The public option one? I ONLY tell lies? BULL CRAP. When .001 doesn’t line up with .01 we have a minor difference. When it comes to whether or not either or can dish out enough money to help the poor, we already know they can’t. Just get lost kid.

            You were thoroughly beaten and you’re off topic because I said a rape allegation was likely not true. You are so insane, that topic has become this. Nothing to do with it!

            Idiot.

          • September 30, 2016 at 2:48 pm
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            UW:

            Do you know the name of the Iraq war before it became the Iraq war?

            Operation Iraqi Freedom. For several years this is what we called it. The liberals focused on the WMDS, and conservatives, but several times the following points were made:

            UN Resolutions broken (not only the WMDS)
            War crimes
            Torture
            Mass graves

            These were on documentaries I watched way back in 2001 on the history channel, Saddam was perceived as a threat far before Bush W. Bush W quoted the UN resolutions which Bill Clinton himself pushed. As Bill Clinton said

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2iOVqYBqME

            Bush W quoted these resolutions when he said something needed to be done and before the war started.

            So before the war started Bush W quoted these, said there would be mass graves and searched for them, and found them, quoted these mass graves and called it Operation Iraqi Freedom while he searched for them, and used that very concept in his speech when we went to war,

            But certainly they were not used as the reasons right?

            You weren’t old enough to see Clinton either, and while I was young, I do still remember his commentary. I would jokingly do piano playing while rein-acting them, and this was before I was republican. I just found him to be so clearly full of it.

          • September 30, 2016 at 2:55 pm
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            Also, I will add:

            Saddam was given the opportunity to allow inspection. He didn’t allow it because all evidence showed he was starting his weapons program back up.

            Whether he had WMD’s then or not was quite irrelevant. He was willing to go to war rather than allow inspection. This itself shows he did have the WMD’s.

            That however was only one element, and while we acted fast (and Bush W deserves credit for this) to make sure they didn’t build an arsenal and started inspection immediately, which is in part what allowed a triggering of a war legally, Bush W was clear that his objective was to stop tyranny, to stop the murdering in Iraq, and to help the people.

          • September 30, 2016 at 2:56 pm
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            Should have read this shows he did have the WMD’s in progress.

            Otherwise it makes no sense.

          • September 30, 2016 at 4:43 pm
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            By the way, every aspect you said that I believed conspiracy theories regarding:

            I provided sources and data for why I believed it.

            You have not provided sources and data or your metric as to why you believe Trump raped a child.

            Instead you said I don’t know math and referenced something else.

            It sounds a lot like what you accuse Trump of doing. Maybe you should go join his campaign. The only difference is that when Trump says this type of statement, it is after someone calls him a sexist, rapist, or racist.

            Yeah, he called someone ugly who called him a rapist. So what?

            I gave polls, methodology, etc. When I said Clinton had issues with Banghazi and emails, I showed where her accounts differed from several families she talked to. I gave examples of emails that were at the time of sending marked classified, and showed that Hillary only recently admitted she had messed up, after saying constantly she did not. I would ordinarily give her credit for this, except that when she said that during a public interview she acted like she had apologized numerous times about having messed up. No. She said she didn’t mess up several times.

            Again, I haven’t talked about the corruption in the Hillary foundation, I find it as stupid to talk about as the supposed corruption in Trumps. I care more about plans.

            I’ve talked about global warming specifics and data, and why it was important to note the facts and what could have an affect. I also gave a study which showed carbon emissions would have a huge cost and huge revenues for the government, but that they would not solve the issue. Therefore, the democrats who must know this, and I’m not considering stupid on it, must be using the issue. My issue with global warming is those who use it dishonestly. I used specific data on this to show how much the plans would affect this area. I even preemptively told Ron, something to the extent of “Yes. I know you will say well it’s something, and if you believe something that doesn’t work with a high cost should be done, then you are why we will go bankrupt and allow government manipulation and tyranny ultimately”

            On areas of torture, I showed that the current public statements on it are being misrepresented, and I pointed out how. I am not wrong regarding that. I then pointed out even on the lowest level of stopping attacks, we would save 10’s of thousands of lives by torturing a sample of 1,000 terrorists. I said we should make sure that no one is captured and tortured based on intel that is for example in the U.S. or a country doing nothing. They would have to be caught during war or doing a bad action or in a meeting. We could hold that standard and still easily have 1,000 people. I said the 10,000 people being saved, was worth more than making sure 1,000 rapists and murderers didn’t experience pain. And here you call me immoral, but I call you immoral, and I have the numbers to back it up.

            With regards to all your issues I can use facts and data, and you just blanket across the board say crap.

            Here, I will toss you a bone: .01% would not be the that number of people. that would be 1 in one hundred. Now let’s modify the numbers then. If a rich man made a million a year, and I will use examples such as the Papa Johns Owner, and Michael Dell (made 950,000 in salary, the rest was in stock and ownership (11,000,000), which in order for the poor to get they have to somehow give assets of the rich to the poor, this is why even marginal rates cannot support the poor, and why corporate taxes of their income assets will only take from the individuals at the company) then their company would be huge. Dell is brought in $54.89 billion in revenues in 2015. Their average pay was $85,000 to $150,000 in 2015 with 101,800 employees. This makes payroll on the low end 8.653 billion dollars. This is before taking into account however much it cost to build the things they sold. If it was even a 50% profit margin, which is very high, they would have cost 25 billion to build. They had 3.2 billion in profit though, which is the relevant information.

            Ok, so now, 101,800 employees, Michael Dell made $950,000, and you want to tax that 3.2 billion at higher rates to help the poor? You’re not going to get enough money. If this large of a corporation only has this much left over, and you want to take about a billion, they then have only 2.2 billion left over. Out of the 2.2 billion Michael dell gets $950,000, until he sells his assets and ownership. This is less than 1% of the total profits of the company. The rest goes into buying additional things and investments over the next year. When Dell invests 1 billion into their next products, it comes from these revenue surpluses. If you take too much of that, you could only possibly be taking from investment, or from incomes of the rest of the 99%. This is the math I was going over.

            Is this math incorrect? How will you help people and tax the poor into wealth without damaging investment and thereby damaging Dell’s profit margins, which they share with their employees at a rate greater than 1000 times that of the owner’s pay?

            My concept was still correct. And when I said the .01 and accidentally said 1 in a thousand, and you corrected that, it doesn’t matter. What matters is the ratio to pay, and the ratio of the wealthy to the ratio of the poor, and the amount of money available vs the affect on the profit margins of corporations and businesses which are how money is dispersed. The government cannot create money. They take it. The more they take and give for free the more it harms those who could create jobs or receive them.

          • September 30, 2016 at 4:51 pm
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            UW:

            At that point, if the profit margin and pays went to the same ratio,

            Taking that extra 24% that Sanders and Hillary both want (by comparison to 15%) which is a difference of about $500 million dollars (15% takes 330 million 39% takes 858 million) you are thereby from 101,800 workers taking from what should be their earnings, $8,425 per year. What we could do is pass a law that says “if we grant a you a 15% rate, the remainder money must have the same ratio to pay as you do currently for employees” or something saying it must be split among the employees. For Dell workers, and those who work, that would then be an increase in pay of 5-10%. It’s not revolutionary, but its a good start.

          • September 30, 2016 at 6:54 pm
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            Ok, forget it, here we go, I should have done this to begin with. Are you ready for something you’ve never seen before?

            Ladies and gentlemen please
            Would you bring your attention to me?
            For a feast for your eyes to see
            An explosion of catastrophe
            Like nothing you’ve ever seen before
            Watch closely as I open this door
            Your jaws will be on the floor
            After this you’ll be begging for more

            Ahem, sorry couldn’t resist UW. It’s in my millennial blood.

            Moving on:

            http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/corporate-profits

            US (first part is important) Corporate total profits. Bam. 1.642 trillion. This shows a huge problem and why corporate tax code needs to be modified. CNN compares world wide revenues to U.S. receipts, but they do it dishonestly. They act as if the low rate here compared to the total world revenues means they should pay higher rates here, whereas that is exactly why they aren’t.

            They are keeping 2.6 trillion out of the country. They are keeping out more than their total profits. And if it were really about earnings, and not reinvesting, they would just move to another country. Sooner or later it is taxed, they don’t avoid it indefinitely. This means we are stopping investment with these rates, we are not stopping inequality with higher taxes.

            By lowering the corporate tax rate to 15%, are you ready for this?

            You will get almost double the amount of revenues back here. That shows how important this is.

            You either get 39% of 1.6 trillion (yes I realize loopholes make that lower, but these loopholes exist precisely because 39% is too high for corporations to pay when they invest, the more they invest the more deductions they have, they don’t get a credit for going over seas if we are using the measure of US profits to US taxes you can’t switch gears), or 15% of 2.6 trillion (or more). So the average effective rate to U.S. revenues has been low recently due to writing off 5 years after the recession, but typically it has been more in tune with 25% (which is why Bill Clinton said we should make it 25% some years ago).

            So we have current average and tax rate that forces jobs over seas:

            $400 billion roughly with only 1.6 trillion of revenues here

            15% tax code with 2.6 trillion brought back totaling 4.2 trillion?

            $630 billion. You read that right. The government billings go up with a tax decrease.

            More importantly how many jobs would this make? Well let’s use how many jobs exist from corporate profits of 1.6 trillion currently? This is difficult to find out because of Obama’s misleading number where he restrained a firm coded as a corporation to corporations that have less than 500 employees, but many that are under 500 still file taxes as a corporation, and certainly those in the 10 million of billings range which is only 100 employees roughly, but moreover, I assume that the 1.6 trillion is for ALL companies that file as a corporation regardless of whether they are under 500 employees or not (am I stupid for this UW, or logical?)

            The number is shown to be about 50% online, but I have no good sources. I have one from Bloomberg showing that “big” corporations employee 25 million people. You may feel free to correct me or determine what a reasonable number is.

            I say 50% is too high. Only 25 million is far lower, as this is just big corporations, not those filing as a corporation who would be counted in the government numbers for corporate revenues.

            So let’s say 25%. The current labor force is 159 million in size. This would mean 39.75 million people are employed by corporations.

            Interesting.

            By getting back 2.6 trillion revenues, which is a rough 40% increase in profits, if the numbers are roughly similar we would have potentially more government revenues, but the jobs, could be 40% of that 39.75 million brought back if the rates remain similar for jobs to profits as current.

            That is 15.9 million jobs. 15.9 million. With an increase of revenues for the government of $230 billion.

            This means my other numbers were wrong. They were low. At an average earnings of $50,000, and only total tax brought in of 15% (thus only 1.15 percent federal effective rate for these people on average, I don’t know why I’m assuming that low) we get $120 billion in revenues from employee rolls.

            And if each of those new employees no longer need even just $15,000 of assistance from the government,

            That is reduced spending of 238.5 billion.

            But we shouldn’t modify the corporate tax code, other than making sure GE pays it’s fair share. Bernie used them as an example of not paying their fair share, and they have had operating margins some of these years at under 1%. Let’s make them go bankrupt instead, eh?

            FDR politics for the win! Beat corporations into submission, use class warfare, and then say how it’s not fair they make so much money! While destroying the middle class.

          • September 30, 2016 at 7:01 pm
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            Also take note UW:

            There is no reason I should say $50,000 for the pay, considering corporations like Microsoft, Apple, Dell, and others have pays that in the case of the latter like I mentioned was $80,000 to $150,000.

            Even ATT call centers average about $40,000.

            https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/AT-and-T-Call-Center-Customer-Service-Representative-Salaries-E613_D_KO9,52.htm

            How about we bring some of this call centers in other countries back here? I’m sure many Americans would love a call center job making good money. Or a manufacturing job, the types Trump says are going over seas, I’m sure people would love the average pay there as well, which is around the same. A family would enjoy an income of two earners making $80,000 instead of 2 making $50,000.

            How about we take some of those outside jobs back?

          • September 30, 2016 at 7:32 pm
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            Bob, instead of writing 20 pages of mostly BS, which is almost entirely indecipherable, please write coherently. Many of your sentences are barely English and it makes it impossible for any person who wants to reply to this nonsense to do it without wasting a lot of time. Your climate change nonsense is still bullshit. First, you claimed it was not agreed upon by climate scientists, and then presented “proof” based on mainly citing the same “study” which included mostly chemists and other non-climate scientists. You disagree it is a threat, after disagreeing it was manmade (which you still claimed weeks ago), after disagreeing it was happening at all. You are a mess on this topic and it’s a waste of time.

            “The point was still valid. You cannot tax the .01% enough to fund the middle class, the fact you would even try to do this and say it is a good and say I’m the extremist, is insane.”

            I wasn’t commenting on the policy. Although, you can top the top 10% enough, as we have in the past. My point is that YOU SHOULD NOT be commenting on it, because you are INCOMPETENT, and literally, by definition incapable of analyzing this.

            This is a common theme with you, which is why you have to create convoluted fantasy scenarios to justify your belief–see torture, where you whined in thousands of words about citations, and then never commented on the citations provided, instead referring to your idiotic fantasy.

          • October 3, 2016 at 3:35 pm
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            Timothy you have gone entirely off the rails. First, the John Jay report you are going on is BS. It’s self-reported, the Church destroyed a massive amount of documents, and the cases in Philadelphia prove beyond a shadow of a doubt (meaning you will search “debunked” and immediately believe the first link confirming your beliefs) they didn’t report everything and continued the cover up.

            As for Iraq you are making moronic statements. The WMD comment is retarded. The WMD they found were past their expiration date even under optimal storage conditions, which they didn’t have. What they actuality argued was that they had a covert nuclear program,hence the mushroom cloud warning. They cleverly knew imbeciles would give them the benefit of the doubt, as you for example have,so now they say expired nerve gas, which was no threat to the US, is proof they were right. They also lied claiming Iraq was supporting terrorism, namely Al Qaeda. Again, the morons ate this up, and called the people like me who protested anti-American, even though we were proven right every step of the way. There is ample evidence they only listened to the intelligence they wanted to hear, and suppressed the rest, like the US weapons inspectors and Joe Wilson. Both 100% right, while your were 0% right. The supposed humanitarian rationale was tacked on at the end, and makes no sense given the circumstances response, or actions of the US. You have to ignore 99% of the evidence to arrive at the conclusion you do. As for me taking in the reporting second hand, get a grip on your ego you arrogant POS. I was actually engaged in reality, and was actually right when I protested, and other pieces of garbage like you supported killing innocent people because you were too stupid to read anything outside of right wing echo chambers, just like you do now when you claim Trump didn’t support killing the families of terrorists even after you see video. Stupid or dishonest, as always.

            You are more delusional than Agent, and far more ignorant.

          • October 3, 2016 at 5:35 pm
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            “Timothy you have gone entirely off the rails. First, the John Jay report you are going on is BS. It’s self-reported, the Church destroyed a massive amount of documents, and the cases in Philadelphia prove beyond a shadow of a doubt (meaning you will search “debunked” and immediately believe the first link confirming your beliefs) they didn’t report everything and continued the cover up. ”

            My name is not Timothy Mcveigh and I am not inside of your basket of deplorables. I did not search for debunked. There have been many studies on this. What you just said was conspiracy theorist in nature. You have to back up your statistics on that. You saying something doesn’t make it true, and you don’t get to just call me Timothy Mcveigh for not agreeing with you.

            “As for Iraq you are making moronic statements. The WMD comment is retarded. The WMD they found were past their expiration date even under optimal storage conditions, which they didn’t have. What they actuality argued was that they had a covert nuclear program,hence the mushroom cloud warning. They cleverly knew imbeciles would give them the benefit of the doubt, as you for example have,so now they say expired nerve gas, which was no threat to the US, is proof they were right.”

            No. My point with that was that at the time, every intelligence agency in the world agreed that there was evidence of the program restarting. New York Times agreed and they are liberal in their leanings. We had a scientist openly say they started it. So the intel on WMD’s while it may have been wrong, (though not as wrong as you say and could not have been a lie, it would be bad intel which several countries created reports regarding not Bush W) the fact that Saddam was murdering and threatening countries, and was pursuing WMD’s was not. Also, the reason we went to war regarding Iraq I have already proven you incorrect. This is why you are derailing.

            “They also lied claiming Iraq was supporting terrorism, namely Al Qaeda. Again, the morons ate this up, and called the people like me who protested anti-American, even though we were proven right every step of the way.”

            I am well aware of this “where is the Al Qaeda connection”. I lived through the reporting. The left asked Bush W where the connection was and he said out right, there was none, in regards to the attack itself. This is why he was careful to say they harbored and encouraged terrorism. Your side tried to twist this, and they lied. The right didn’t. I was alive for this, I was well past my early teens, you were likely not. As I said before, the oldest I see you being is 14. I was older than that. Again, was Bin Laden found inside or outside the axis of evil that Bush W said was going on? We have intel showing that Bin Laden was in fact in the locations where Bush W thought he was. Why didn’t Saddam let us inspect?

            “There is ample evidence they only listened to the intelligence they wanted to hear, and suppressed the rest, like the US weapons inspectors and Joe Wilson.”

            I’m going to remind you hind site is 20/20, but each of over 30 nations agreed regarding Saddam pursuing WMD’s, whether or not Joe Wilson found them, or they were yet replenished, is quite irrelevant, and I will remind you, your side, the left, made this the selling point of the War, the right did not. The right talked about the murder and torture, and the UN sanctions, and the axis of evil, while you may not agree with these justifications, no lying occurred.

            “Both 100% right, while your were 0% right.”

            Again with this crap. Totalitarian in nature.

            “The supposed humanitarian rationale was tacked on at the end, and makes no sense given the circumstances response, or actions of the US. You have to ignore 99% of the evidence to arrive at the conclusion you do.”

            I have proven this wrong by showing links, I don’t need to go any further on it. It was not tacked on.

            “As for me taking in the reporting second hand, get a grip on your ego you arrogant POS. I was actually engaged in reality, and was actually right when I protested, and other pieces of garbage like you supported killing innocent people because you were too stupid to read anything outside of right wing echo chambers, just like you do now when you claim Trump didn’t support killing the families of terrorists even after you see video. Stupid or dishonest, as always.”

            Your first lines don’t make sense, you protested the Iraq war? What murdering of innocents happened there, or are you talking as a consequence of the war people died? That always occurs, and that is not murder. If you are blending back in the torture and Muslims that is another topic. And the ego is not mine for saying that you are reflecting on history and are rewriting it. Protesting would still not mean you were right.

            It means nothing what you put above.

            “You are more delusional than Agent, and far more ignorant.”

            Nope. I’m getting tired of you. Most moderates agree I am not at all a conservative in the classic sense.

            I have already explained where I praised Obama, and where I condemned conservatives.

            This is why your side will lose, the millennials have this mentality of convert or die, agree or die.

            It’s old. You bore me. Get lost now. You’ve lost this debate, and you are the one who looks like a lunatic.

          • October 3, 2016 at 5:41 pm
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            UW:

            Also, I have many friends who participated in the war. Only one of them was discontent about Bush W, and it was clear the only reason was that politics meant more to him than concepts.

            This really doesn’t mean anything, nor does your protesting comment.

            What does is that your side used that war in order to shape politics, whereas Bush W did it against politics. You can disagree with him. That’s fine, but to say bull crap, is not.

            What motivation would he have to keep the war going or to go in the first place?

            Are you going to tell me a typical Millennial motivation like oil (total conspiracy theory and wrong) or finishing his daddy’s work? (total conspiracy theory and doesn’t make sense).

            Go ahead. Give me a motivation that makes sense. Now consider the motivation of the left to spin this war.

            Whatever it takes to win an election right?

          • October 3, 2016 at 5:43 pm
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            Oh I promise one last comment:

            I did not google “debunked” That isn’t how I search.

            I searched “how likely are you to be raped by priests” and compared multiple studies on the matter, which I have already looked up over ten years ago. I’ve looked it up more over the years as well. I was finding studies I’ve source quoted before. You are such a fool, you magically know how I google search now?

            I only take data, and I work off of that.

            Show me your study that proves what you said. I’ll wait UW, while you call everyone else a fool, you would actually convert people if you gave info, and since you don’t convert people (I can tell) I can assume you don’t give credible info.

          • October 3, 2016 at 6:17 pm
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            “Oh screw you, I am not a liar. The point of that post was math on why if someone who has a billion dollar company cannot pay for all of his employees to have even a minor pay increase. That was the point. And that math is correct if you look at profit margins.”

            So finally, to be clear, you support theory with completely wrong math in this case, but when it comes to something like unemployment or climate change or minimum wage you only want math, specifically your math, and years of economic literature and theory is irrelevant.

            No wonder nobody can “debate proper,” in your mind, you can’t be consistent even in your own insane meltdowns.

          • October 4, 2016 at 11:38 am
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            “Then compare the freedoms to Israel, one of the few remaining Christian countries, but take note, it is NOT a Christian state.”

            Your are an absolute disaster intellectually. First, genius, Isreal is not a Christian state, they are about 75% Jewish. Your incompetence on seemingly every topic is astounding. Who could ever take you seriously?

            Second, the Balfour Agreement created a state for Jewish people and the United Nations agreement created 2 states in a confederacy, one being Jewish, which has seized control of the rest. Just utter nonsense in every sentence you type.

            Third, yes, their freedoms are so great, aside from being forced into the military, and of course unless you are an Arab, in which case you live in the bottom in a system of apartheid with essentially no rights. If your want to point to religion as a great way for a nation to be civil, maybe don’t start with one of the biggest human rights violators as your positive example. You also pretend, don’t know, or lie about Muslims being represented in their government. At my last count there were 6 Muslims in the Knesset out of 120 (or so) members. That is total underrepresentation.

            Finally, you argue thet a state doesn’t have to be religious, but constantly say the US is Christian and should be operating under God’s law,eg divorce, guys, etc. You also ignore predominant Muslim countries where abuses are not widespread, because you are biased and as you’ve proven with comments here about African American and Arab people, racist.

            Your are just not educated enough on this to comment coherently, consistently, or in a manner consistent with reality.

          • October 4, 2016 at 7:05 pm
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            “You didn’t read the articles, that is your fault. On the WMD’s, no one lied about them. The intelligence was not just US intelligence, British intelligence agreed. ”

            Bush’s ex-CIA briefer disagrees, as does basically every person who isn’t a fucking idiot.

            They ignored crucial information, pushed incorrect information that supported the war, and went out of their way to discredit information that went against them, like when they illegally went after Joe Miller for saying their yellowcake uranium story was wrong. He was right, by the way.

            http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/23/cia.iraq/

            The administration ignored good intelligence, and trusted frauds like “Curveball”, which you are clearly 100% uninformed on if you repeat the BS you repeat.

            “The strongest human intelligence collected by the CIA—which secretly came from the Iraqi foreign minister, Naji Sabri, and Iraq’s head of intelligence, Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti—was detailed, correct and ignored. Instead, the administration built its case on Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi (the infamous “Curveball,” a man German intelligence had warned the CIA was unreliable) and Muhammad Harith, a former Iraqi intelligence officer whose information was dismissed by British intelligence as a fabrication 10 months before the war began.”

            http://www.salon.com/2015/05/20/george_w_bushs_cia_briefer_admits_iraq_wmd_intelligence_was_a_lie/

            “The left asked Bush W where the connection was and he said out right, there was none, in regards to the attack itself. This is why he was careful to say they harbored and encouraged terrorism.”

            But, genius, they DID NOT harbor al Qaeda, as claimed by Cheney on Meet the Press, NPR, and other sources. This was based on the “bad intelligence” you lie and say everybody had, but is in fact a fiction.

            “Your side tried to twist this, and they lied. The right didn’t. I was alive for this, I was well past my early teens, you were likely not. As I said before, the oldest I see you being is 14. I was older than that. ”

            So you were 16? Big deal. I was older than that. But, it’s irrelevant, because even if I was 5 I was right, and you were wrong. I was right about the outcome, and you were wrong. You cite Conservapedia, come on man, you are an absolute disaster when it comes to thinking and reality. A total joke.

            “Why didn’t Saddam let us inspect?”

            He did let us inspect. Hans Blix and the UN inspectors had to leave the country so we could attack. They said correctly there was no evidence the nuclear program had started, you and your idiotic middle-school morons, and the people with that level of intelligence said to bomb, and we attacked. They were 100% right, you were 0% right.

            The areas you wanted them to inspect where they were building nuclear weapons didn’t exist. Anybody who thinks differently is 100% clueless.

            “Again, was Bin Laden found inside or outside the axis of evil that Bush W said was going on? Why didn’t Saddam let us inspect?”

            You have to be trolling me, nobody can be this stupid. He was found in Pakistan, outside the Axis of Evil, which is Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. At the time he was in Afghanistan, and the Taliban offered to turn him over, but Bush declined.

            For the love of the God you supposedly believe in, stop immersing yourself in right-wing media, you are absolutely worse than uneducated on the major issues of our time. You don’t even know the basics where reality, and therefore debate can begin.

          • October 5, 2016 at 3:29 pm
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            God damn Bob taking it on the nose. Israel a Christian nation, better make up math to support yourself and then whine when it’s shown to be wrong.

      • September 26, 2016 at 8:59 am
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        Patticake,
        Please look at the full Clinton “deplorable” comment. See both baskets she is talking about and tell me if you are in the one with David Duke or the other basket. Please don’t stop at the Faux News 3 second soundbite.

        • September 29, 2016 at 5:36 pm
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          All those in favor of having Hilliary for President raise your hand and then slap your face with it, because you are an idiot.

          • September 30, 2016 at 7:59 am
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            All those in favor of having any of the current candidates for President raise your hand and then slap your face with it, because you are an idiot.

          • September 30, 2016 at 10:02 am
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            All those who think Obama has done a bang up job being President for the past 8 years raise your hand and then slap yourself because you are an idiot.

          • September 30, 2016 at 11:15 am
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            Agent,

            Notice how my hand stayed down?

            All those who think Obama is the fault for all of the ills for the past 8 years, and deserves none of the credit for has gone well, raise your hand and then slap yourself because you are an idiot.

          • September 30, 2016 at 1:49 pm
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            I am in favor of the plans I said, and I know Hillary will go the worst possible direction on those plans, and Trump, while you say he won’t be able to pass them, won’t go further on the alternate direction.

            So…I don’t need to slap myself. I’m voting Trump, in the hopes he does what he says he will.

            The wall is a good thing, as I showed. It will not take an EO, as you implied, and I believe that would be quite illegal.

            All we have to do is debate the numbers I said, (which Trump did and then was called racist, the reason leftists are fighting him so hard is that he is saying the RIGHT things)

            and then we have to put these things into play.

            If we don’t nominate someone like Trump, it will never happen. Here is what you don’t realize. While I like Reagan’s tax reductions, there is little else I like about him. He talked pretty like an idiot, and he didn’t get the corporate tax side done, or set up the world to be ready against these jobs leaving. So not even someone that talked pretty on the right got it done.

            We need someone that talks like Trump, is willing to talk on the issues, and be called a racist while he says the facts.

            The other guys, don’t get crap done.

          • October 3, 2016 at 2:27 pm
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            Says the guy who thinks unemployment is higher now than when Obama took over. You can’t even troll well, Agent.

          • October 3, 2016 at 6:12 pm
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            “Says the guy who thinks unemployment is higher now than when Obama took over. You can’t even troll well, Agent.”

            When have I said this? I have compared Obama to Reagan and went over the LPR and how the retirement of the Baby boomers and later college argument has already been debunked. We are legitimately in a bad spot jobs wise. I often avoid comparing to Bush W because there is no point. The point here of purpose is in how to move forward, and we know that Obama is not doing that well at all.

          • October 3, 2016 at 6:13 pm
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            Also, the fact that I argue for the point of bantering means I am not a troll.

            You on the other hand are bigoted. You just make comments like that, and try to label me so my information means nothing.

            I am beginning to think you may actually be a hired activist on the left, and this is coming from someone who thinks that paranoid nonsense is stupid when conservatives say it.

            But your only goal here seems to be to make sure I am painted out in a negative light as a racist and a bigot and at troll, etc, you don’t actually argue facts or points very often at all.

          • October 4, 2016 at 2:46 pm
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            That was intended for Agent, Bob.

            The Federal Reserve and actual economists prove the majority of the labor force participation rate decline has been due to an aging population, you ignored whomever posted that, Uw or Ron I think, and the numerous peer reviewed studies supporting it. You relied on your own math, which this week has been shown to be as untrustworthy as Trump.

            Your don’t support Trump because of his “pretty language,” whatever the fuck that is, and despite his racism. You support him because of his racism. The fact that he is incoherent and speaks like the idiots you like, and like you, is a bonus.

        • October 10, 2016 at 5:57 pm
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          Actu, new article out on Bloomberg. It was about Millennials swearing at work and how prevalent it has become. This is right down your alley. It is disgraceful and if you can’t stop doing it, you should leave the blog because you are immature and nasty.

          • October 11, 2016 at 10:11 am
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            Agent,

            Is it OK for Bob to continue swearing?

      • September 28, 2016 at 8:42 am
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        Patticake,
        Please do take look at the full Clinton “deplorable” comment. See both baskets she is talking about and tell me if you are in the one with David Duke or the other basket. Please don’t stop at the Faux News 3 second soundbite.

    • September 23, 2016 at 4:39 pm
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      BG, In all reality, they were insured anyway in the event of serious illness or injury. They were under Medicaid or they just went and got medical care at hospitals and did not pay. Many of the 9.6 million aren’t paying any premiums or a very small percentage.

      • September 28, 2016 at 1:48 pm
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        Instead of the ACA fiasco, they should have put their focus on the pharmaceutical companies. THEY are what’s truly out of control

  • September 23, 2016 at 2:14 pm
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    The information does not seem credible. If you reduce covered lives the deficit goes up? If the government insures more people the deficit goes down? Obviously health care does cost money to provide. ACA is a shell game. People who were paying for insurance before now pay more to cover those that were not covered before. ACA needed to be too complicated for most to understand or it would have received little support. I’m not arguing its a bad thing for some to pay more so more can be covered, the problem is with the deceptive lies and the hiding of the plain truth. A bigger problem, which further adds costs and stifles innovation, is that ACA mandates exactly what a health insurance plan must look like in order to be sold on the exchange.

    • September 23, 2016 at 4:05 pm
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      When people have access to preventative health care, they don’t need to seek care at the ER, when and where health care is at its most expensive. President Reagan signed a law that taxpayers will cover the costs of the indigent at the ER — it’s why people aren’t turned away from hospitals and left dying in the streets. Preventative care is both cheaper and more effective in terms of keeping people healthy.

      This is a big reason why, if the ACA is repealed, the deficit goes up. The other reason? The ACA is paid for through various taxes. It’s not paid for via debt (like, for example, the Bush tax cuts, Medicare Part D, all our wars, etc.). The taxes and savings on health spending outweigh the spending measures.

      Health care reform is complex, but it’s not a “shell game.” That’s just TV pundit soundbite talk.

    • September 24, 2016 at 10:16 pm
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      Shell game,
      It seems some are pro-life until that life becomes a tax burden.

    • September 26, 2016 at 9:00 am
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      Shell game,
      Seems some are pro-life until that life becomes a tax burden.

      • September 26, 2016 at 4:37 pm
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        It is not about the tax burden, this is extremely absurd.

        When people on the right talk about entitlements, there is the reason they use the word “entitlement” and they don’t instead use “help” “assistance” etc.

        The reason is from the word “entitled”. No one is entitled to free anything. You have to work. This goes with the bible. God did not leave us all here with “entitlements” to take care of us.

        Go back to the story of Adam and Eve. What most Christians have a problem with is laziness. They are pro life in all regards.

        You didn’t find some secret hypocrisy

        • September 28, 2016 at 11:02 am
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          Maybe in your ideal country, Saudi Arabia, but the US is not a theocracy, she we don’t interpret our laws through what an Almighty God supposedly wants.

          • September 29, 2016 at 1:37 pm
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            UW:

            YOU not WE. The US is a country of individuals, and I am talking with someone is using a religious inconsistency, therefore I am showing it is consistent on a religious note.

            Also, I forgot, am I ignoring you or are you ignoring me this time? Because you seem to have thought you ignored me after out bouts, but it’s funny, I’ve been ignoring this comment and others for a while not but replying to reasonable people other than you.

          • September 29, 2016 at 1:42 pm
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            While *now.

            Your comments don’t convince anyone UW. If you had some degree of a filter, or if you said when you were wrong, or if you said were democrats were wrong, or if you said beliefs that didn’t tow the democrat ideals, people might find you to be less biased.

            But instead you are harassing a moderate like me calling me a torturer of innocents, that wants to murder Muslims, force my religion onto others, oppress women, etc etc.

            I have said I am for a public and private option. The mainstream republican does not support this. Politicians do on the right, but not republicans on the right, except for millennials.

            I have spoken out against the Texas governor who tried to say the HPV vaccine was immoral.

            I mentioned that Obama’s plan to make an “opt out” 401k plan was actually a good idea, all he needed to do was add more incentive with more tax credits when doing that.

            You’re talking to a moderate and you constantly berate him and act like he’s extreme.

            If you want for us to talk, you’re going to have to stop that behavior. I am willing to talk with you and change positions if you make good points.

            You have some good research but when you go bull dog on people you’re not going to have an affect.

            Do you think you can cool off a bit?

          • October 5, 2016 at 12:02 pm
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            Bob, you may be onto something about paid leftist trolls on this site. We know who they are and they ignore all evidence that the Progressive Agenda is just plain wrong for this country.

          • October 5, 2016 at 3:35 pm
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            Uw’s comments have convinced me Bob. Thanks to confused and ron I used to think you were a wrong but kinda smart conservative, thanks to uw I now think you are a fucking joke. Reagan, unemployment, the age of the population, Iraq, Israel, climate change, Bush and Trump, and even math, I laugh whenever your rant on any of them now.

            Oh sorry that’s not PC, oh wait, PC was the biggest problem in the country, now it’s not. I’m so confused, I better convert to Christianity and move to a Christian nation life Israel.

    • September 28, 2016 at 8:43 am
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      Shell game,
      It certainly seems some are pro-life until that life becomes a tax burden.

  • September 23, 2016 at 2:18 pm
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    “By contrast, one of Hillary Clinton’s key health-reform plans could provide insurance to as many as 9.6 million individuals and lower expenses mainly for low- and moderate-income people. It would come at a greater cost to the budget, increasing the deficit by $90.4 billion.”

    I am so sick of hearing about how “our government is going to provide healthcare”, or anything else for that matter. Let’s say it like it is…people who are working and paying taxes are paying for health care for people who chose not to work and chose not to pay taxes (I do not refer to those who are unable to work due to health or ‘legitimate’ disabilities, or those who are unemployed and ‘actively’ seeking gainful employment). It is not some invisible entity called the budget or the government or the administration. It is us…you and me.

    So, do you want to pay more taxes, or do you want to cut wasteful spending. I want to hear how each candidate is going to cut government spending so I don’t have to pay more taxes and my social security benefits are there when I reach retirement (a pipe dream today).

    I am tired of taking care of those who refuse to take care of themselves. I am in favor of helping those who truly need it.

    • September 23, 2016 at 3:16 pm
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      Angry, you are preaching to the choir except for one lonely Progressive. The reasons you give for being angry is just what America has been feeling for some time. That is why Trump will triumph. Far too much Progressive Socialism for this country. We don’t want to end up like Venezuela.

      • September 23, 2016 at 3:35 pm
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        No you want to end up like Russia…LOL Trump’s buddy, right?

        • September 23, 2016 at 4:42 pm
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          BG, I hear that flights to Caracas & Havana are cheap. Make sure you are on the next one.

          • September 29, 2016 at 8:10 am
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            Deplorables–I would gladly pay for a one way ticket to either of those places for people like BG. We don’t need these communists in our country! ONE WAY…NO RETURN TO THE UNITED STATES. Ron? Captain Planet? BG? Would y’all like a one way trip to Havana or Caracas or any other communist nation? It’s on me!!

          • September 29, 2016 at 9:18 am
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            Patticake,

            If you want to go and take Agent/Deplorables, Yogi Polar Berra/DePolarBearables, Bob, integrity matters, Jack, B. Right, and any other anti-government right winger to Somalia, I will gladly leave for Canada. I have never advocated for Communism or Socialism, just Universal Health Care.

          • September 29, 2016 at 11:57 am
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            Yes Patticake, let’s all take up a collection for your lineup mentioned and send them all packing. They are America haters, Progressive Democrats who want to control every aspect of our lives. That is what Communists do. I hope they enjoy their dogs and cats when they get down there because that is what they are eating now. Saw an article the other day that kids can’t even stay awake at school because they are hungry and starving. The sooner the revolution in Venezuela, the better.

      • September 24, 2016 at 10:18 pm
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        So, first it was end up like Greece until you were corrected on how absolutely absurd that comment actually is. Now you reboot with Venezuela. Who’s next after you are schooled on how so far off that is, too?

      • September 26, 2016 at 9:00 am
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        First it was end up like Greece until you were corrected on how absolutely absurd that comment actually is. Now you reboot with Venezuela. Who’s next after you are schooled on how so far off that is, too?

      • September 26, 2016 at 1:57 pm
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        So, first it was end up like Greece until you were corrected on how absolutely absurd that comment actually is. Now you reboot with Venezuela. Who’s next after you are schooled on how so far off that is, as well?

      • September 28, 2016 at 8:43 am
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        So, at first it was end up like Greece until you were corrected on how absolutely absurd that thought actually is. Now you reboot with Venezuela. Who’s next after you are schooled on how so far off that is, as well?

      • September 28, 2016 at 1:32 pm
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        Our economy isn’t based almost entirely on one natural resource, so it’s hard to see how any person who isn’t an abject moron, without a shred of intelligence would make that claim. I’m sure that’s not you, so please expand on what you meant.

    • September 23, 2016 at 4:17 pm
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      Not everybody gets health insurance at work. There are a lot of people working multiple jobs who are not offered health insurance from their employers. The ACA gives them someplace to purchase quality coverage. The law should be expanded, not repealed.

      • September 23, 2016 at 4:37 pm
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        The law should be AFFORDABLE, which it is not.

      • September 23, 2016 at 4:50 pm
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        That place existed prior to ACA in what was a free market place. In my case a high deductible plan was $480/month for family coverage with a $2k deductible. Those plans had to be cancelled-as they now must meet ACA criteria. Now on the exchange I pay $980/mo. with a $5k deductible and less provider options. Same impact on all other small business owners. Most agree on the pre-existing condition,” kids” coverage until 26, and some kind of subsidy. The law should be repealed or simplified but in any case must be flexible enough for innovative plan design.

      • September 26, 2016 at 2:39 pm
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        Quality Coverage? According to who? Not those that use it. Unless your referring to Poor Quality Coverage. Just cause OBama says it quality coverage dont make it so. He said it would be affordable.

    • September 23, 2016 at 4:27 pm
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      There are people making minimum wage or slightly more that could not afford healthcare before ACA and no program existing to help. I have 3 sons, all gainfully employed at the same jobs now as before ACA. One works for a large corp. and got healthcare before ACA. The second works in food service at a chain, working 30 – 50 hours per week before ACA and could not afford insurance at $9 – $10 per hour, and he went into work whenever called to cover shifts of others. The third is a contract worker on 3 different contracts making $12 – $20 per hour, who could not get insurance due to pre-existing conditions.
      Has ACA been the answer – no. The son working as a chef got selected because of his hard work to be a full time employee and now has healthcare. The contract worker does not qualify for subsidies but buys the insurance as a condition of employment. He still cannot get treatment for inherited conditions because of the rules put in place by FDA.
      Bottom line – not everyone working at above minimum wage jobs can afford insurance before ACA and now they have it.

      • September 25, 2016 at 8:45 pm
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        ‘…..and now they have it.’ And they won’t soon because ACA is a socialist bust. Just because some people need it and some people want it doesn’t mean that it works, or that it can be funded, or that……It was a socialist/democrat mistake, one of many and it is soon to be gone.

      • September 26, 2016 at 2:39 pm
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        People that make Min Wage qualify for Medicaid.

      • September 26, 2016 at 4:39 pm
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        If you want an expanded assistance program, then pass one.

        The ACA is supposed to be not just an assistance program, it messes with the whole system and delivery, making it very unfavorable for people who don’t get this assistance you just mentioned.

  • September 23, 2016 at 2:38 pm
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    Healthcare is not a right. An individual right can never be dependent on another’s forced compassion.

    Healthcare is a commodity that people are free to purchase as they see fit.

    • September 23, 2016 at 3:28 pm
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      Tell that to the Founding Fathers.

      From the Declaration of Independence:
      “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

      If you disagree, please tell me how to live and pursue happiness if I am sick and without health care.

      • September 23, 2016 at 4:38 pm
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        The government needs to stay out of healthcare, our religion, our schools, our bedrooms… That is not hard to understand, is it??

        • September 24, 2016 at 10:24 pm
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          Healthcare SHOULD BE A RIGHT. The only first world nation who disagrees. But, somehow, there are still many who believe we are a Christian nation. Remember the story from The Gospel when Jesus passed on healing someone? Yeah, neither do I.

        • September 26, 2016 at 8:57 am
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          Patticake,

          Please present a viable, private sector solution that provides affordable access to health insurance for all American citizens and results in sustainable profits for the health insurance companies.

          If you can do that, then I will concede.

          FYI, neither what we have now nor what we had before meet those guidelines.

          • September 27, 2016 at 8:03 am
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            One is in the works, behind the scenes. Republicans have taken some aspects and embedded them in their plans.

          • September 27, 2016 at 8:05 am
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            There will still be a tiny pool of very sick people or indigent people who will receive government help. But it will be a true safety net program, not a handout to almost everyone.

          • September 27, 2016 at 8:08 am
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            The solution has many facets and cannot be described in a comments section box. Problems in the healthcare and insurance industries are many and deep-rooted, so it will take many actions and much time to unwind and fix.

            The time is nigh for you to concede.

          • September 27, 2016 at 9:22 am
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            You want me to concede based on ambiguous terminology and no details or facts?

            Try again.

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:18 pm
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            Einstein wouldn’t expect you to concede.

            Apparently, based on your reply, neither should I.

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:48 pm
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            When the Republicans make it happen, then I will concede.

            I will not be holding my breath.

          • September 28, 2016 at 8:44 am
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            Healthcare SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT. We are the only first world nation who disagrees. But, somehow, there are still many who believe we are a Christian nation. Remember the story from The Gospel when Jesus passed on healing someone? Yeah, neither do I.

          • September 28, 2016 at 1:36 pm
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            OMG, Ron. I haven’t blogged on IJ in almost a year, and you are still spewing the same rhetoric. Pretty much like what Killary is going to do if (GOD FORBID) she becomes president.

          • September 28, 2016 at 1:38 pm
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            Being as charitable as possible about 4% of the US enrolled in so-called Obamacare policies.

            If you think it is a handout handout to almost everybody you are by definition completely uninformed, or unintelligent; either way your opinion is irrelevant. Stop commenting on the topic, Bearables.

          • September 28, 2016 at 11:01 pm
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            Healthcare SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT. We are the only first world nation who disagrees with that sentiment. But, somehow, there are still many who believe we are a Christian nation. Remember the story from The Gospel when Jesus passed on healing someone? Yeah, neither do I.

          • September 29, 2016 at 1:48 pm
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            “Being as charitable as possible about 4% of the US enrolled in so-called Obamacare policies.

            If you think it is a handout handout to almost everybody you are by definition completely uninformed, or unintelligent; either way your opinion is irrelevant. Stop commenting on the topic, Bearables.”

            Citation needed. And if we are really covering 4% of people with this law, which is causing others as a whole to go up by 9% by default without the ACA and by 18% when compared to the republican plan according to the CBO itself (the CBO said the republican plan would bring costs down 9% on average from the norm and the democrat would increase it 9% from the norm) then don’t you believe that charging 96% of the population 18% more to cover 4% of the population is excessive, and instead we should have given that 4% credits, as well as assistance and left a private program for others that was 18% cheaper? Or do you believe in hosing the middle class (which is who would be in the 96%) by 18% in order to help the 4%? And if you do, at what point does this become unaffordable and break the middle class? Maybe this is what republicans have a problem with, and maybe you’re the one who hasn’t figured things out.

            http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/cbo-confirms-gop-plan-will-lower-health-care-premiums-lower-deficit-without-tax-hikes

            Lower deficit without tax hikes, lower premiums. Yes, you will now say but it doesn’t cover the 4%. It offers tax credits though and those who don’t buy insurance at that point are CHOOSING not to.

            Second link coming on the democrat plan with the CBO.

            I source quote, funny that. And I’m government source quoting again.

            Is this some fake source quote again?

          • September 29, 2016 at 1:52 pm
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            My bad, it is actually 21% or $3,000 less with the CBO plan.

            https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/11-30-premiums.pdf

            But you know, we have to do those increases to the middle class to cover that 4% don’t we?

            $3000 less for 94% of people, or mess up insurance for everyone…Decisions decisions.

            We could have passed assistance with the bill, and republicans did put this option out there.

            Consider how corrupt your side is that they instead passed the plan that harmed the middle class by default considering these numbers.

            I cannot stand your level of indoctrination.

          • September 29, 2016 at 1:59 pm
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            UW:

            I’m going to plea with you again:

            Why don’t you know this? Why aren’t these things being taught to you?

            Why are the left clearly lying to you?

            Consider this: If I am right, consider a world in which I am correct UW.

            What does this by default mean about the left?

            And consider how bad that would be.

            What if I am right UW?

            If that is the case we have a crises going on. One that needs to be reversed as soon as possible, before society breaks from programs that are this inefficient.

            We are heading to a collapse, in which the middle class will be crushed.

            What if what you believe is the exact opposite? Have you even thought about that once?

            I’ve thought it on the other end. There was a point where I thought, “can I believe what Bernie is saying”. I took his math, I compared it.

            I then took the alternate end.

            I took what the democrats said. Then I went to look at the laws and what CBO reports themselves said.

            I took what the democrats said about the housing crises, but then I looked at charter laws, CRA ratings, how the ratings worked with charter laws and regular loans, and I saw that the left was clearly lying.

            I looked at the gay rights bills and say the republicans were putting out bills to be passed and democrats kept tossing them back with absurd amendments, while saying the republicans had “no” bills. “None”? I saw them! How could they say none?

            No gun laws? I put one on here recently. That isn’t none. The only amendment added was regarding open range firing. If they want to disagree on that that’s fine, pass it separately and pass a background check now before that, as that section is actually one we conclusively agree on. But they won’t. And then they say the republicans won’t pass “any” sound gun control. They are lying UW!

          • September 29, 2016 at 9:44 pm
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            Also, Bob, I think you “read” those reports too fast. One, it’s not 2009, so that’s clearly pretty irrelevant considering the topic. Nice attempt at pretending to be serious though. They might want to consider people other than non-elderly people, since the population of the country is becoming loaded with more elderly people.

            http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/114th-congress-2015-2016/reports/50252-Effects_of_ACA_Repeal.pdf

            http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/19/cbo-finds-republican-plan-repealing-obamacare-add-353-billion-deficit.html

            The current Republican health care plan (in 2016, not 2009, I’m unsure which year/reality you are currently in) has basically no numbers. It’s a prototypical fraudulent Paul Ryan policy.

            You are full of crap on the mortgage crisis. Your writings on that have been beyond delusional as well, but I don’t see any reason wasting time arguing economics on a Limbaugh-clone that can’t do simple calculations.

        • September 26, 2016 at 9:01 am
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          Healthcare SHOULD BE A RIGHT. We are the only first world nation who disagrees. But, somehow, there are still many who believe we are a Christian nation. Remember the story from The Gospel when Jesus passed on healing someone? Yeah, neither do I.

          • September 26, 2016 at 10:23 am
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            No one is banning anyone from getting healthcare. People can go to any doctor they want. They just have to pay the bill or work out some other arrangement.

            Assuming it is a government paid for right though…what level of Healthcare should be a right? Who decides what is and isn’t covered? Should we pay for the best healthcare money can buy? If a person is depressed, should we pay for plastic surgery? Who gets the kidney, the child or the 90 year old?

      • September 25, 2016 at 8:42 pm
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        Ron: You could die. That’s an option. And for hundreds of years, that was the only option. If you think that the Founding Fathers ever envisioned anything like the socialist program that Obozo shoved down our throats 7 years ago, you are on drugs (probably paid for by hard working conservatives). Nothing free is a right, except air. Have all you want, just quit converting it into hot air.

        • September 26, 2016 at 9:15 am
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          Jax Agent,

          Why would you say that? I am assuming you are not a Christian.

          Who ever said that Universal Health Care is free? Is our military free? Are our public schools free? Is our infrastructure free?

          All of these are paid for through taxes. Why not health care?

          • September 26, 2016 at 10:13 am
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            Why not government provided lobsters? Why not TVs? Why not Ferrari’s? Why not helicopters?

            You can make any wish list you want of government provided xyz. The problem is, eventually you run out of other people’s money.

          • September 26, 2016 at 10:45 am
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            Apples and Oranges, Ron. Why not free food…..oh yes, some people are getting that already. How about free cell phones….umm, yes, done that too. Free clothes/ free TV’s/ free……yeah, we got looting for that. How are you going to pay for all this ‘free’ Ron, …or should I call you ‘Bernie’?? Yes, it has to be paid for somehow and our current administration has sunk us hundreds of trillions of dollars in debt – so why not a few more hundreds of trillions of money that we don’t have to spend ? May as well right, since it’s all free.

            Quit your job, sell all that you have Ron, then give it away. You don’t need it since everything is free. Everything free is about to come to a screeching-ass halt. We have a recession looming over us and maybe even an economic depression. There will be a lot of competition for free then.

          • September 26, 2016 at 10:51 am
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            B. Right,

            I am not advocating for the government to provide health care. Only for the government to pay the premiums from taxes. Do you know the difference?

            My plan would actually reduce government administered health care by eliminating Medicare, Medicaid and VA health care systems.

          • September 27, 2016 at 8:16 am
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            Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness does not include Immortality, Obama Phones, and the Pursuit of Hippy-ness. :)

          • September 27, 2016 at 9:23 am
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            At what point did I mention anything other than health care insurance as a right?

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:20 pm
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            Where on the terms of use agreement does it mention I have to follow your childish guidelines for posting comments?

      • September 26, 2016 at 8:37 am
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        Helicopter rides make me happy, does that mean that the government should provide them for me? Your argument doesn’t make any sense on why the government has to provide the care.

        There was a time in this world when insurance didn’t exist, what did the people do about their healthcare then? They went to the Doctor and worked out a payment plan.

        • September 26, 2016 at 9:06 am
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          B.Right,

          My argument in this thread is that health care could be easily interpreted as a right based on what the Founding fathers wrote.

          The fact that something is a right does not mean the government needs to provide.

          Assuming you are pro 2nd Amendment, as am I, do you think the government should by everyone as many guns as they want?

          The reason I advocate for Universal health care is no because it is a right. It is because I believe the only way all American citizens can have access to health care is to use the government as an intermediary for premiums. They collect taxes, then pay the insurance companies to administer. Similar to private military contractors, public schools, and construction crews who build and maintain the public infrastructure.

          Back then, more people died pre-maturely because they could not even afford the payment plans or did not want to be indebted to another.

          • September 26, 2016 at 11:03 am
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            Again, everyone already has access to healthcare. If you’re sick go to the doctor. I promise you, they will accept your money.

          • September 26, 2016 at 12:25 pm
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            B.Right,

            What happens if you cannot afford to pay? Yes, you received care, but now what? File bankruptcy? Reduce your discretionary spending? Maybe buy more cheap, processed foods and less fresh food?

          • September 26, 2016 at 1:09 pm
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            Ron,

            It would depend on the specific circumstances. Sounds like what you are talking about is catastrophic healthcare coverage. Most healthcare needed isn’t catastrophic. But yes, bankruptcy is a possible option in the event of a catastrophic judgment.

          • September 26, 2016 at 1:35 pm
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            B. Right,

            I am talking about all non-elective levels of health care, including prescriptions.

            How do you define catastrophic? For some people it could be as little as a thousand dollars. It does not take much to get to that point.

          • September 26, 2016 at 2:50 pm
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            Well that’s the problem isn’t it. What is non-elective v. elective? And who decides?

            Should a case of gallstones warrant a $10k surgery, when they aren’t life threatening?

            When treated the common cold lasts about 10-14 days and untreated it goes away in a couple weeks. Should we pay for that treatment and office visit?

            What about treatment for preventable diseases? (Smoking, Obese, STDs) Should those be covered?

          • September 27, 2016 at 8:22 am
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            Governments generally suck at almost everything they do.

            So healthcare would be, umm, IS really sucky when it’s handled by the government.

            Affordability needed to be addressed, not accessibility. Availability would follow if affordability was improved. The government just exacerbated the affordability problem by subsidizing some of the costs. Availability is deteriorating, as are jobs – due to the 29 hour rule.

          • September 27, 2016 at 9:25 am
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            Which is exactly why I ma trying to remove government from health care administration. They will just collect the money and pay the bills.

            You cannot address affordability without discussing profitability.

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:23 pm
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            Yes, I can.

            I can address claim costs independent of profit loads. Many an actuary I know is capable of pricing the products they serve in that manner; i.e. reducing loss costs and setting a profit load based upon riskiness of the cashflows.

      • September 26, 2016 at 4:45 pm
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        Then why didn’t God give us these rights Ron? You’re a Catholic, start acting like one.

        The right to pursue these things without interference is not synonymous with being given it.

        So does everyone have a right to a house, healthcare, and food?

        Let me show you how even those would destroy the world:

        My food bills:

        At least $500 a month.
        My Healthcare: I have about $2,500 per year I pay in hospital visits
        My insurance: I pay about $7,500 of it per year, for my share. $625 a month
        Electricity (need it to live) $100 per month
        Water (Need it to live) $50 per month.
        Rent is actually higher around here than my house payment: $1,300 per month.

        This is $33,400 per year. Where will that come from? The government? They can pay this out? And if they do, what will happen to the economy which is what drives people to perform?

        I’m sorry, in order for God’s plan to work all people need to work for healthcare, food, housing, and everything that they receive.

        And that is all that republicans say, it is not anti christian to not give someone free things.

        Helping the poor which you see as good, and so do republicans (ergo why republicans give slightly more time and money to the poor than democrats) does not mean giving someone a free life.

        • September 27, 2016 at 10:26 am
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          bob,

          I agree with you 100%.

          Problem is, you are totally misinterpreting my position. I never said just give people things for free, including health care. We need to find a way for every citizen to have access to health care without significant financial burden or filing bankruptcy.

          • September 28, 2016 at 2:31 pm
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            No, I’m not. You are misrepresenting the right. You are claiming they aren’t for helping the poor.

            See your commentary here.

            “B.Right,

            That is because the right claims to be the party of Christian beliefs. That is, until they have to put their money where their mouths are and actually walk the walk.

            In addition, the right tries to justify their positions based on their religious beliefs. We are suppose to keep our religions and government separate.

            Can you tell us where it says in the Bible to put profits before people?

            When you say this, you are saying that when the right attacks entitlements they are unwilling to support the poor.

            My comment is directly dealing with that. You have many times accused republicans of this, and then you claim I’m gunning for you?

            No. You cannot use this absurd tactic to get past the poor fact based commentary you make here.

          • September 28, 2016 at 2:37 pm
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            You’re getting a bit off your game Ron. Usually you manipulate much better than this.

            This is why I ultimately call you a fraud when we debate. Usually you cover it up a little better.

            I don’t see how it could be much more clear what my response was regarding.

            You agreeing 100% means you must acknowledge your above comment I quoted above must have been left field, correct? After all, you agree conservatives are against entitlements right? Or do you agree with your prior comment that the right simply won’t walk the walk and help people after birth?

            Really?

            http://www.politisite.com/2014/01/31/hey-msnbc-more-republicans-in-mixed-race-families/

            Then why do they adopt those children to help them just as often as democrats? That is walking the walk. What they don’t like is entitlements.

            They also give more money and time to the poor, not by a ton, but it exists. It is more significant than this slight difference.

            This age old game of trying to find the hypocrisy is old in my generation Ron. You act like your argument is new each time. Millennials all think they are new on this.

            You’re not. And I guarantee you have not heard ANYONE in my age group talk like me. I ask every time, because I am active in these groups. The reply in 100% of all circumstances (and by the way, they always are amazed at my info, and plenty of them are rebelling against liberals as a result) is that they have literally never heard my argument before, or backed up like I do before.

            Stop believing you found the new twist. Stop believing you found the hypocrisy in concept to do with pro life vs pro choice, and start dealing in facts.

          • September 28, 2016 at 2:42 pm
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            In case you try to use my commentary about republicans giving time and money:

            I am not saying that as one party being better than the other.

            I am saying this in fact to equal out the lie you spread that republicans are unwilling to help the poor because they are against entitlements. Then they would follow that trend when it comes to giving money to these poor people who don’t need it.

            But all evidence shows, they don’t. They care about the poor a great deal and are active in helping them and children.

            This label you throw out is not ok. The debate to be had is whether or not the government helps, or should be spending this much, and you agree they should not.

            But when you run around with those cliches, people do for a fact turn democrat. It is how they use the public. Do you get this yet or not?

            I am well versed in how the democrats manipulate. The republicans are NOT manipulating the youth. They suck at it, and aren’t even trying. The numbers of millennials that vote democrat show this. It is about 70-85%. This is an issue. Be active in your age. It is time to end this before something seriously bad happens.

            There was another black lives matters protest recently stopping debate about black issues. These are happening more and more from the left, on campus, against the right and never by the right.

            Do you see that as a problem or not? How are you missing what is occurring on campuses? We have a full on marxist revolution going on. If you think I’m exaggerating look it up. There is a huge chunk of college graduates and attendees who think Capitalism is the problem, free speech is only good when it doesn’t offend people (40% in a recent poll) and are protesting and turning violent to anything that is considered “micro aggression” while threatening “macro aggression” retaliation. Trump is the only possible cure to these easily triggered little brats.

            It’s time to toughen up, and pull up the big boy pants in our generation.

          • September 28, 2016 at 2:50 pm
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            Ultimately taking the profit out of anything is removing the incentive to improve.

            If God took the profit out of plowing the field, would people plow the field? No. And God knows this.

            It is why he simultaneously sentenced us to death, and tilling the field.

            As a cliche in a perfect world your line works. In the real world, it doesn’t. So instead, giving to people who need it, and keeping incentive to improve the healthcare we have with capitalism, is the best means of handling this.

            I know what your reply will likely be, we are the same age group, and believe me, I have heard all your potential rebuttals.

            Rebuttal most likely:

            But, but, my plan IS PRIVATE it is PUBLICLY funded and PRIVATELY delivered.

            This is even worse. Allow me to explain why:

            The government cannot negotiate or reduce costs to the degree that private firms can with investing capital, and the private firms will receive money with no question as to whether it could have been done for less. There will be no incentive from that private firm receiving money without requirement to do better. If the government pays less and applies force, then they may reduce incentive. They aren’t good at this.

            The best form is a public funding for those who cannot afford it, and are in low paying jobs, and then a private sector for those who can. As a kicker, to make sure people don’t just fall into the free plan, the free plan needs to have an income threshold.

            This is where democrats fell short in their public option. It didn’t have a threshold. People who made enough to support themselves could opt into the public plan. As Paul Ryan said, when the government does this, all people fall into the government plan due to the perceived lower cost, but then healthcare as a whole suffers and you can’t transfer back to private so easily.

            A restriction to income is a good split.

            This has assistance where needed, private ability for those who can afford it, and works for the best of all.

            Republicans have offered this plan. And people won’t accept it.

    • September 24, 2016 at 10:21 pm
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      Can you have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if you have a pre-existing condition and can’t get the care you need to continue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

      • September 26, 2016 at 9:01 am
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        Can we have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if we have a pre-existing condition and can’t get the care we need to continue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

        • September 26, 2016 at 4:48 pm
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          Can you pursue happiness if there is no delivery system that allows for you to have healthcare that keeps you alive?

          The private method does it’s job, and needs to exist. If they covered pre existing conditions in the past, it was known someone could buy and then drop insurance, thus harming everyone else who needs care. For every one person that did that 50-100 would go without care.

          You talk as if the goal was to screw those people, whereas others would have been screwed if what you wanted was done.

          This is why you debate in “feels” instead of facts. Well, facts don’t care about your feelings and neither do I.

          I care about the best delivery system, which is clearly assistance for those who need it, and a private system as well.

        • September 27, 2016 at 8:25 am
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          ‘Immortality’ isn’t included in/ follow from ‘Life’.

          Try to prove otherwise. Applying liberal logic is your only hope to do so.

          • September 27, 2016 at 8:55 am
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            Who in the heck is talking about immortality? What in the heck are you talking about? Greek gods?

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:27 pm
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            Whoever is arguing that healthcare is a RIGHT, and then uses the phrase “Life, Liberty, & the pursuit of Happiness”.

            That’s who.

            It’s odd that the same liberals don’t also argue for the RIGHT to LIFE of unborn fetuses. Actually, it’s not odd; it’s just typical liberal hypocrisy and lack of capacity to apply logic and common sense.

      • September 28, 2016 at 8:45 am
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        Hey censors, can we have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if we have a pre-existing condition and can’t get the care we need to continue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

        • September 28, 2016 at 3:58 pm
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          You were already answered, and because you censor and choose not to listen to other people you keep asking an audience who has either already replied, or refuse to acknowledge that a reply has come from people who you don’t consider worthy of a reply.

          So knock it off.

        • September 29, 2016 at 2:46 pm
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          Just keep on censoring:
          Do we have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if we have a pre-existing condition and can’t get the care we need to continue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

      • September 28, 2016 at 11:02 pm
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        Censor this:
        Do we have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if we have a pre-existing condition and can’t get the care we need to continue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

  • September 23, 2016 at 2:43 pm
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    “Boonedoggle, so you think the government should be able to cap your income level?”

    You miss the point. Requiring health insurers to pay 80 cents of each premium dollar goes against out capitalistic economic model. Lets return to the old method where agents could make 25% sales commission, and CEO’s could take a hundred million in compensation out of the premium bucks. Perhaps the insurance industry could pay 20% of premium dollars to claims. I look at like a job creator, since many more private jet pilots could find employment. Lets leave the claim 95% payment ratio to nasty programs such as Medicare. Laissez faire, right?

    • September 23, 2016 at 2:58 pm
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      The government should get out of the way.

      The free market balances it out. If a company is operating at a low ratio for too long then they’re overpriced and consumers will go elsewhere.

      • September 23, 2016 at 3:12 pm
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        B, wow, Boondoggle the uninformed think agents were making 25% commissions on Health Insurance. That is how ill informed Progressives are. That, and a multitude of lies to set this in motion. 6 million health plans cancelled right off the bat forcing people to buy their ill conceived agenda, forcing a lot of people into the very poor Medicaid. Getting rid of Pools where the chronically ill had been and then putting these people into Obamacare at the same rates and hoping the healthy young would support it. They didn’t and now the implosion has begun in Josh “Earnest”. You can’t make this stuff up, but the Progressives did and got away with it for a while. I wonder why in two subsequent mid terms, Democrats supporting this evil got “shellacked”.

        • September 29, 2016 at 2:46 pm
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          And some more censorship, please:
          Healthcare should be not-for-profit. I don’t remember Jesus ever collecting a fare for His miracles.

      • September 23, 2016 at 4:19 pm
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        There is no free market in health care, and there never has been one.

        • September 24, 2016 at 10:27 pm
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          Healthcare should be not-for-profit. I don’t remember Jesus ever collecting any fare for His miracles.

          • September 26, 2016 at 8:43 am
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            For a left winger, you sure do try to force your religion on everyone. Watch out or you may be called a deplorable next, what with clinging to your Bible and all. Then they’ll label you an anti-Semite and tell you you’re part of the Alt-Right.

          • September 26, 2016 at 9:03 am
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            B.,
            I am a registered Independent and have voted for both R’s and D’s throughout my voting life.

          • September 26, 2016 at 4:49 pm
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            Healthcare should always have cost. It is a matter of what delivers the ability to provide it.

            God didn’t give Adam and Eve a free life. He told them to work for it, and he sentenced all of us to death.

            So….Your Jesus comment doesn’t fly.

        • September 26, 2016 at 9:02 am
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          Healthcare should be not-for-profit. I don’t remember Jesus ever collecting a fare for His miracles.

        • September 26, 2016 at 1:59 pm
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          Healthcare should be not-for-profit. I don’t remember Jesus charging others for His miracles.

          • September 27, 2016 at 8:28 am
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            Jesus understood risk-taking, and the rewards that follow.

            He understood the need to be taught to fish instead of relying on others to receive fish to eat.

          • September 27, 2016 at 8:29 am
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            And Jesus didn’t charge others $225,000 for his speeches.

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:29 pm
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            Can I get an ‘Amen’ from The Interplanetary Captain for my observations and common sense? If not, what about a ‘hallelujah’?

        • September 28, 2016 at 8:45 am
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          Hey censors, healthcare should be not-for-profit. I don’t remember Jesus ever collecting a fare for His miracles.

      • September 28, 2016 at 11:03 pm
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        Just keep censoring:
        Healthcare should be not-for-profit. I don’t remember Jesus ever collecting a fare for His miracles.

  • September 23, 2016 at 2:47 pm
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    If we still had all the money that was invested in government staff and paid to consultants to put this program in place and maintain it, none of which paid a penny to doctors for actual service, we could have provided free healthcare to a quarter of the US population. What a waist of my tax dollars.

    • September 25, 2016 at 8:46 pm
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      Yes sir, it was a ‘waste’. Your ‘waist’ keeps your pants up.

    • September 27, 2016 at 3:38 pm
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      DePolar, Hallelujah and Amen for your Common Sense. I believe Jesus did the Sermon on the Mount for no charge. He also healed people for free as well. He seemed to have the “magic touch”.

      • September 27, 2016 at 4:13 pm
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        Sometimes, He even bought everybody lunch!

        • September 27, 2016 at 4:40 pm
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          A few fish and a few loaves of bread went a long way back then and several baskets of left overs as a result.

  • September 23, 2016 at 2:49 pm
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    In 7 years of Obamacare only around 1 million people received healthcare that didn’t have it before. That’s it. This program did not Solve ANYTHING. We dumped 20% of the GDP for this and the result is 1 million and it cost us trillions. We could have just placed 100 million into a fund and paid for those 1 million and had money left over. Obamacare was designed to fail (that came from the architect who drafted up the plan).

    • September 23, 2016 at 4:20 pm
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      Um, actually the uninsured rate just hit the lowest on record. The law has helped more than the 1 million people you cite.

      • September 23, 2016 at 4:46 pm
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        Wake up! The democrats published that figure because it is right near election time. Same goes for gas prices. Remember back 4 years when gas prices dropped right around debate time.

  • September 23, 2016 at 3:08 pm
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    LOS ANGELES POLICE COMMISSION: IF POLICE CONFRONT AN ARMED SUSPECT, RUN

    The above decision in LA was brought to you by the same people that believe OBAMACARELESS fixed things.

    • September 23, 2016 at 3:22 pm
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      Loretta Lynch is going to Charlotte. I am sure we will see her linking arms to the Black Lives Matter folks as they protest in the street.

      • September 23, 2016 at 4:21 pm
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        I hope so!

  • September 23, 2016 at 4:31 pm
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    What an absurd opening paragraph to this article! Just because some people want to repeal the current healthcare law does not mean their next step is just to sit there and let the newly uninsured suffer. What we all know is that there is a better way to provide health care to the “uninsured.” We didn’t have to totally screw up the health care system and cost ourselves billions of dollars just to insure 3% of the population. There are different and better and more cost-effective ways to provide them healthcare. Please don’t be so naive as to buy in to this false narrative that this is about insuring the uninsured vs. tax breaks for the wealthy. That’s just one side’s marketing message because what they really want is government control over the whole thing (fully socialized, single payer system), the ACA was just the first step toward that. No, this is not about tax breaks, it’s about removing this cost-driving, job-killing, economy-wrecking [un]Affordable Care Act and replacing it with something that actually works! Including offering solutions for millions who are not insured but still need healthcare. There are so many better models that could be used.

  • September 23, 2016 at 5:29 pm
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    Rationality, you are far too “rational” for the liberal mind to absorb. Those people have been drinking the Obama Kool Aid far too long and it made their mind dissolve.

    • September 24, 2016 at 10:30 pm
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      Reaganism has led us to this stage in the country. So sad one crummy President’s agenda has brought us here. If Drumpf is going to take us back, can he take us back to before Reagan destroyed The US?

    • September 26, 2016 at 9:11 am
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      Reaganism has led us to this stage in our country. So sad one crummy President’s agenda has brought us here. If Drumpf is going to take us back, can he take us back to before Reagan destroyed The US?

      • September 26, 2016 at 10:33 am
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        cpt planet: your comment was lame the first time and got nuked because it was so wrong and off base. An obvious attempt on your part to do a little ‘trolling’. If you got nothing; no game, no point, nothing to stand on, then you deflect, reverse, change directions go after people who are no longer here ……just troll.

        PS – It looks like maybe you got nothing.

        • September 29, 2016 at 12:07 pm
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          Jax, some want Socialism aka Communism for this country. That is not a “right”.

    • September 26, 2016 at 2:00 pm
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      Reaganism has led us to this stage in our country. So sad one crummy President’s agenda has brought us all here. If Drumpf is going to take us back, can he take us back to before Reagan destroyed The US?

      • September 27, 2016 at 8:34 am
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        You refer to Reagan in one sentence, Obama in the next, and someone whose name is unfamiliar to me in the third.

        But your third sentence is confusing because of your typo wherein you omitted ‘SR’ at the very end, before the question mark.

        • September 27, 2016 at 9:50 am
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          DePolar, brilliant. The resident Commie on this site hates the greatest President in the past 100 years and loves the current Commie running for President. Did you notice last night that she kept saying we need to “invest” in her programs which is code for more taxation and more spending on things that haven’t ever worked anywhere.

          • September 27, 2016 at 10:40 am
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            Agent,

            Did you notice how Donald thinks it is smart for him to make hundreds of millions of dollars each yet, but not pay for the military, veterans benefits, schools or infrastructure. I don’t see you complaining that you are supporting him by paying federal income taxes when he is not. Also interesting that he thinks short paying small businesses less than he promised is “good business”. What would you do if one of your carriers decided to pay half the commissions they promised you then threatened years of litigation?

            Whether we like it or not, Hillary Clinton will be our next president and it is the Republican primary voters’ fault. Thank you for nothing…again!!

          • September 27, 2016 at 1:32 pm
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            I thought ‘invest’ was Commie Dem code talk for campaign donations by Dem voters that would later be rewarded with more food stamps, free cell phones, free college, etc. all on the backs of the rich.

            Where did I go wrong?

          • September 28, 2016 at 1:25 pm
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            “Did you notice how Donald thinks it is smart for him to make hundreds of millions of dollars each yet, but not pay for the military, veterans benefits, schools or infrastructure. I don’t see you complaining that you are supporting him by paying federal income taxes when he is not. Also interesting that he thinks short paying small businesses less than he promised is “good business”. What would you do if one of your carriers decided to pay half the commissions they promised you then threatened years of litigation?

            Whether we like it or not, Hillary Clinton will be our next president and it is the Republican primary voters’ fault. Thank you for nothing…again!!”

            No, it is the fault of people like you. Essentially you have bad mouthed every republican plan as being false.

            You have said republicans aren’t about decreasing spending, so ones that say they will don’t do well. You have said that republicans shouldn’t try to repeal the ACA, and a multitude of things that we haven’t been able to win an election on as you have supported the wrong candidates as “moderates” each time. The conservatives in this country are pissed. That is why the polls so consistently show they don’t like their options.

            Most conservatives liked Cruz. Do you? Cruz would have never won, and us conservatives know it.

            Now back on the comment about Donald Trump:

            He did pay. He just didn’t pay as much as the government wanted. The fact that the government overspends elsewhere and can’t make due with a reasonable amount is not his fault.

            Anything above 15% for a business or an individual is too restrictive to the economy and pointless.

          • September 28, 2016 at 2:06 pm
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            Bob,

            I have not bad mouth Republican plans. I have bad mouth their inability to govern or to be fiscally responsible.

            I wanted to vote for a Republican this time. Based on what I have seen, I will not be voting for anyone for the office of the President of the United States this year.

            I would have voted for Ted Cruz if he were the Republican candidate.

            How do you know he paid? Did you see his tax return? Care to share with the rest of us?

            Since when do we get to determine whether or not and how much we pay in taxes based on whether or not the government spends wisely? That is not how this works.

            I really just wanted to know if Agent would complain as much about someone else not paying federal income taxes as he does me.

            There is proof that he did not pay at least 2 years. What else could he possibly be hiding?

            Are you OK with all of the lies he tells? Do you think he should not take accountability for the things he has said in the past? Are you just a blind lemming?

            He is being exposed as a fraud more and more each day.

          • September 28, 2016 at 2:24 pm
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            Censor this,
            Reaganism has led us to this stage in the country. So sad one crummy President’s agenda has brought us here. If Drumpf is going to take us back, can he take us back to before Reagan destroyed The US?

          • September 28, 2016 at 4:04 pm
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            “Reaganism has led us to this stage in the country. So sad one crummy President’s agenda has brought us here. If Drumpf is going to take us back, can he take us back to before Reagan destroyed The US?”

            No. It hasn’t. This is absurd to say.

            Lower taxes cannot cause an economy to collapse.

            As for regulations, none of Reagan’s policies are why the housing market is not recovering. Could you list some perhaps? I can and have listed how democrat plans caused the collapse, and by default, if we aren’t recovering after the democrats got the bills they wanted for housing, it is their fault. You cannot keep blaming others.

            Also, you claimed this mess was over in the past. Now you claim the mess is still here because of Reagan. Which is it? Is it either one that fits your narrative? You change on that and other facts quite often to fit the narrative you have in your head.

            I’m sorry Planet. It must come as a wrecking of your world to realize how wrong you have been. I know you have to self defend because to realize the tyranny of democrats is to realize you have been an oppressor through manipulation on the left and that comes as a hard realization.

            But I have had this realization. I keep telling others where and how I was mislead in my youth, and I’m willing to be wrong. Are you?

            It doesn’t look like it. As much as you call others arrogant.

          • September 28, 2016 at 4:07 pm
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            In terms of Reagan regulations:

            We saw his regulations give us low interest rates without having to continue massive amounts of spending that would by default necessitate massive amounts of tax increases or increased interest rates in the future.

            Reagan had an economic exit plan so to speak, Obama doesn’t. What happens when interest rates increase Planet? Will you again blame a republican?

            So we saw the interest rates come down and results. We saw Reagan’s regulations have an increase affect of benefit with the economy. Now here we are and you’re trying to link a 2008 recession to a 1980’s president? Are you out of your mind?

            This is old. You will do whatever it takes to blame republicans and engage in class warfare, to blame the wealthy, to try to remove “pay inequality” by taxing money out of their hands, etc.

            The left is out of control right now. It’s time to stop this.

          • September 28, 2016 at 4:18 pm
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            “I have not bad mouth Republican plans. I have bad mouth their inability to govern or to be fiscally responsible.”

            Semantics. You have tried to call Reagan a big spender, I then showed you he attempted spending cuts. He was met with the same issue Obama and democrats did in the new age. They said they would not do tax cuts and spending cuts. They forced a “bi partisan” tax cuts with spending increases. I have provided sources regarding this, you still call republicans big spenders.

            “I wanted to vote for a Republican this time. Based on what I have seen, I will not be voting for anyone for the office of the President of the United States this year.”

            Well that’s a move forward for you. I will give you credit here.

            “Since when do we get to determine whether or not and how much we pay in taxes based on whether or not the government spends wisely? That is not how this works”

            Since when do you, and then get to label him as a bad guy for using laws to his benefit to bring down his tax burden? You made the weight, then I basically countered it was fair. You determined it wasn’t. Then you try to blame me? You don’t get to do that. Since when is how much the government taxes not supposed to be based on wise spending? Who is the perpetrator of injustice, someone who works legal laws to pay what is fair, or someone who says that they can’t use what they have to help people who need help? The bible says all that is needed is 10%. The government including local takes around 30% of total GDP. 30%!!!! That is not reasonable. 15% is.

            “I really just wanted to know if Agent would complain as much about someone else not paying federal income taxes as he does me.

            There is proof that he did not pay at least 2 years. What else could he possibly be hiding?”

            I don’t see how this first point is relevant. In the case of the second, perhaps he knows that people like you will work what is fair to discredit his presidency. He is not hiding anything illegal, and from my point of view in order to stop class warfare, it should be ILLEGAL to have presidents reveal their tax returns unless they engaged in illegal activities. The government is already taking care of Trump one way or another through the audit. And if there is anything illegal we will see it. Yes. You heard me. It should be illegal to use tax returns to say a person doesn’t pay their fair share. You asked who lets me determine what is fair? Well, the left constantly says what isn’t fair, and they never end that. If we don’t decide a cut off point, it will always go up.

            “Are you OK with all of the lies he tells? Do you think he should not take accountability for the things he has said in the past? Are you just a blind lemming?

            He is being exposed as a fraud more and more each day.”

            Show me the lies. I have seen the media try to twist what he says into lies. I don’t see him lying any more than any other politician. I am not a blind lemming. I could ask you the same question about Obama, but you would surely tell me the same thing I just told you: I don’t see Obama lying more than any other politician. At which point, we are not going to make this about character and we are going to make this about policy plans. I don’t have to say why I like Trump as a person or why I accept the lies “you” believe he says. All I have to do is say why I support him, and I have.

            I have specifically gone over his policies. I have gone over why it is dangerous how democrats are framing the Islamic faith right now, and accepting it into society. We don’t have to accept any ideology in society, least of all dangerous ones. We can openly criticize it, and we can do a temporary ban of refugees from war torn nations when we see polls that show they are ok with Sharia law, as well as sympathizes with bombers. Western Muslims are not similar to ones from the Middle East.

          • September 28, 2016 at 4:28 pm
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            Here is why I support Trump:

            1. Every president has said they will modify the corporate tax. Obama did not get it done. Clinton did not get it done. Hillary talks about corporations not paying their fair share, I assure you she will not get the revenues back. Trump has already talked with these leaders, he is in business and in making deals, he will get it done.

            2. Outside of corporate taxes he will cut business taxes.

            3. He is also cutting taxes as a whole. I realize you will then say that this will increase deficits, no, it wont. Incomes should go up like with Reagan. Deficits might temporarily, but as people can support themselves less spending will be needed. This is what democrats don’t tell you. They assume federal spending can’t be cut because it can’t be now without screwing the poor. However, if the economy ticks up, less people will meet the poverty line, and thus less will get or need help. This is one the left does not consider. Also, getting couples to work who are high earners is important. Democrats always phase out the child tax credits. I can tell you now, I know of many couples where this lead to the woman not working. If we had those credits available less spending would be needed, more women would be in work, etc. Clinton has said she will tackle this, but she will not eliminate the problem with a one high earner one lower earner couples in terms of how often the wife works.

            4. NAFTA was wrong. Trade deals have been against us. Democrats say they will fix this, they have not. Trump may very well.

            5. Fixing our illegal immigration problem. I saw the democrats manipulate this statistic. They saw you are more likely to be killed by an American than an illegal immigrant. You see this isn’t the problem. That’s true, because we only have so many illegal immigrants, and only so many involved in crime. However, we had tens of thousands of them released from prison. We don’t release 10’s of thousands of American criminals from prison and we do monitor them. Resolving this issue is critical, and, those that are released typically come right back over the border and go on to murder. While the percentage of it is low when compared to all migrants, or all Americans (but not compared to all ILLEGAL immigrants, and not compared to all RELEASED illegal immigrants which is more important and shows why a wall is needed to keep released illegal immigrants from coming back, and explains why Trump said they are sending their worst, what he means is they are not stopping this from happening, clearly) the number and value is not.

            6. We need someone to take the threat of Islamic religion seriously. It has done more harm than any other on a wide scale basis against the rights of gays and women.

            I could go on but don’t have time right now.

          • September 28, 2016 at 4:38 pm
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            By the way:

            Item one alone will bring in a ton of government revenue and jobs, having the foreign companies come back. This will also reduce spending needed by the government.

            Let’s say 2.6 trillion comes back, that is 390 billion in the first year. It will offset much of Trump’s first year of spending.

            Let’s say that brings back a few million jobs. Like 2 million to be conservative. 2 million people no longer need somewhere around $15,000 of support per year. $30 billion of spending isn’t needed that year. $420 billion is now covered.

            But wait, I’m not done.

            Let’s say that the lower tax rates result in even more, and companies stop exporting jobs to China and India. We may even get more like 4 million jobs in that first year after it is completed total, and that is low balling. We now have another 30 billion not needed. It is now at 60 billion, and $450 billion offset.

            That 60 billion is now taxed as well from the poor. If it goes to the median, 50,000 at 15% (meaning we only get just above social security and medicare taxes from each, practically no federal tax) then we have another $30 billion in revenues brought in. We have $480 billion offset.

            We have not considered whether there will be an impact from higher incomes. If let’s say incomes finally start increasing by 3% more per year, that is $40 billion the first year and it gets exponentially better, with a work force of 165,000,000 (not counting the 4 million increase as they were already counted) $520 billion of additional revenues from taxes, and another group of people would need 3% less support, or another $40 billion making us $560 billion in offsets.

            Then removing foreign interventions and NATO military type of requirements and ending this whole NATO encouraged war mentality.

            We could save hundreds of billions a year cutting military expenditures, and unlike Obama who had several years of increases up to 900 billion during some of the Libya conflict, cutting to say even 600 billion like it was some years during the Iraq war, would save 300 billion per year. The NATO mentality is the only way to stop that. We are now at $860 billion offset. We are now at reasonable deficits, and lower taxes, and better growth.

            I support this. I always will.

          • September 29, 2016 at 8:08 am
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            Bob,

            1., 2., & 3. Please cite where it says in the Constitution that the president dictates taxes. What happens if Democrats take over either or both houses of Congress and they do not want to work with Donald Trump? In addition, running a government is far different than running a business. He cannot just short-pay other countries and government contractors, negotiate down the debt, or fire Congress if they do not want to work with him. This is something that he, and apparently you, will need to learn the hard way.

            4. You do also realize that Congress needs to pass any trade deals, right? In addition, he would need to get other countries to agree to less favorable terms on a new trade deal.

            5. This is one area where he can use EOs to make a difference. Therefore, I am assuming you will oppose that method since you have been against President Obama using EOs.

            6. So, the fact that the military, under President Obama has taken out hundreds of Islamic militants/terrorist, including many high-ranking official, is not enough?

            If a President Trump were to accomplish 10% of what he is promising, I would be surprised.

            There is only one good reason to vote for Trump…to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House, period.

          • September 29, 2016 at 8:15 am
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            Ron, where in the Constitution of the United States of America say that it is illegal to not pay taxes? He has done nothing illegal here. Morally? Well, that’s for HIM to live with, not for US to judge.

          • September 29, 2016 at 9:13 am
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            Patticake,

            At what point did I say he did anything illegal? We might know if he would release his tax returns.

            Does it not bother you that someone who makes hundreds of millions of dollars each year does not pay to support our troops, veterans, schools, infrastructure, etc., yet complains about our debt and deficits?

            The main point of my post was to point out that Agent has complained about supporting me with his taxes because I have not paid federal income taxes because of the level; of my income, the size of my family and the deductions I am legally allowed to take. However, he has not yet complained about Donald Trump who hasn’t paid federal income taxes in at least 2 years and may not be paying them now.

            I just want to see if he is willing to be consistent.

          • September 29, 2016 at 2:05 pm
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            “At what point did I say he did anything illegal? We might know if he would release his tax returns.”

            We will know if the IRS says he does. He does not have to make his tax returns public for that. I am not ok with the potential to use tax returns as warfare and your solution leaves that possibility, while him releasing tax returns does not make him more likely to be revealed as having done something illegal, unless you believe in mob style justice.

            “Does it not bother you that someone who makes hundreds of millions of dollars each year does not pay to support our troops, veterans, schools, infrastructure, etc., yet complains about our debt and deficits?”

            He doesn’t make hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Many companies doubt he has a billion total in assets. And no. When he uses legal methods to bring down his tax burden it does not bother me, especially due to taxes being too high. See my other posts regarding this. The government has enough money to make do, him paying less taxes does not result in the government paying less to the military.

            “The main point of my post was to point out that Agent has complained about supporting me with his taxes because I have not paid federal income taxes because of the level; of my income, the size of my family and the deductions I am legally allowed to take. However, he has not yet complained about Donald Trump who hasn’t paid federal income taxes in at least 2 years and may not be paying them now.”

            You don’t pay anywhere close to as much as the rich, and the vast majority of Americans don’t either. Agent isn’t a hypocrite on this level. We have far too much spending in this country, and that creates a need for higher taxes, due to people like you supporting this.

            You don’t need to point out anything about Agent. Instead, you could focus on why higher taxes are bad, instead of focusing on why someone should pay more based on moral reasons.

            I just want to see if he is willing to be consistent.”

          • September 29, 2016 at 2:10 pm
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            I should add to that last point:

            Based on YOUR perceived moral basis.

            It’s time to deal in facts. It’s time to stop arguing a concept you don’t like, saying “daddy that’s not fair!” which is all I hear out of your mouth, and to instead pull up your big boy pants and think about what is best.

            Do you think you can do that?

            I’ve made my case here on many levels that show why the republicans are better. You can look at the CBO plans above regarding republicans.

            You can look over my comments about CRA loans, housing regulations, and QE, and stimulus. You can consider how much harm those do with the ACA. You can then consider the lies about gun control, the lies about gay discrimination being passed with the ability to expand the government’s ability to arrest you with criminal liability based on how you talk, you can then go into how the middle class has been affected and crushed, and then realize that Trump’s tax returns are irrelevant, and so are your perceived “lies”.

            These actions are the actions that will destroy the nation.

            And the sooner you realize that the better. These are the divisive actions, the ones we see causing protests on campus every single day.

            We see the left out of control and we can measure it.

            Rather than constantly saying “I have problems with the inconsistency on the right” which will exist in any case, on any side, you need to decide that you will vote for what is best and weigh that not based on consistency or absurd moral concepts and social justice that you cannot prove, but facts and data.

          • September 29, 2016 at 2:19 pm
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            By the way Ron, you will like this one, I just mentioned it to my brother and it made a very good point.

            So I’ll go back to my other post:

            “5. Fixing our illegal immigration problem. I saw the democrats manipulate this statistic. They saw you are more likely to be killed by an American than an illegal immigrant. You see this isn’t the problem. That’s true, because we only have so many illegal immigrants, and only so many involved in crime. However, we had tens of thousands of them released from prison. We don’t release 10’s of thousands of American criminals from prison and we do monitor them. Resolving this issue is critical, and, those that are released typically come right back over the border and go on to murder. While the percentage of it is low when compared to all migrants, or all Americans (but not compared to all ILLEGAL immigrants, and not compared to all RELEASED illegal immigrants which is more important and shows why a wall is needed to keep released illegal immigrants from coming back, and explains why Trump said they are sending their worst, what he means is they are not stopping this from happening, clearly) the number and value is not.”

            I’ll re look up the numbers for you, I said 10’s of thousands but if we include violent crime it goes into the hundreds of thousands.

            But here is what is interesting. It is tens of thousands of murders, from people who are released.

            So, remember my post recently about gun control laws and what percent of gun owners are thus irresponsible? I made an exaggeration about how if gun owners were as irresponsible as pregnant mothers they would be extinct in 5 years?

            Remember that?

            Do you remember the amount of gun deaths on a high year?

            It is 10,000 Ron.

            So a smaller minority of irresponsible gun owners, (considering 1 in 3 Americans are gun owners) mandates gun control or 33% of all Americans…

            Whereas a larger number of deaths coming from a substantially smaller population (remember, hundreds of thousands per year, in terms of illegal immigrants)

            Does not mean we should do illegal immigration control?

            How heartless these democrats are! Oh my God Ron! They don’t care about the murdered and raped families!

            How heartless these republicans are, they don’t care about our murdered (not raped) gun shootings! Why don’t they care? WHY DON’T THEY DO ANYTHING!!! WHY????? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD RON!!!!!!!

            No wait what?

            Do you see the hypocrisy or do I have to freaking spell it out for you even further?

            Forget the left and their triggering crud.

            You don’t find something wrong with these statements?

          • September 29, 2016 at 2:24 pm
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            Never mind that Trump was right, this phrase is still used by the left to call him racist.

            http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/fbi-data-backs-up-trump-claims-on-illegals-and-crime/

            I’ll post actual data in a moment, it’s just this guy said it very well.

          • September 29, 2016 at 2:25 pm
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            http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

            Government data on the issue.

            Go over this, it has some interesting information. Don’t go over what other people say about it. Just think for yourself what this data means.

            I’ve already said what it means in other posts and I don’t want to explain it again.

          • September 29, 2016 at 2:38 pm
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            Bah, I said I wouldn’t do this but I have to.

            I need to highlight the important parts so you don’t just read what you want to:

            “GAO estimates that costs to incarcerate
            criminal aliens in federal prisons and
            SCAAP reimbursements to states and loca
            lities ranged from about $1.5 billion
            to $1.6 billion annually from fiscal y
            ears 2005 through 2009;”

            This is a huge cost that Mexico is causing by basically not taking care of their country’s issues.

            If we build a wall, and it is a good wall, we can save this, can’t we?

            “T
            Types of Criminal
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            on system
            s
            and local jails were arrested for, we selected a
            random sample of aliens. Specifically, we obtained data from BOP on the
            population of aliens incarcerated in
            federal prisons as of December 27,
            2008 (approximately 49,000 inmates). We added to this the population o
            convicted criminal aliens incarcerated in state prison systems and local
            jails from July 1, 2004, through June
            30, 2008, for whom state and local
            governments sought reimbursement
            under SCAAP (approximately 460,0
            inmates) for a total of about 509,000”

            509,000 inmates. 509,000! From 2004 to 2010. Just prior to this comment they explained they added 2007 and years 2008 to 2010.

            This is over 6 years,

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

            And yet it is 22% of the total prison inmates in the U.S. when considering a total population of 2,220,300.

            These numbers make a lot more sense than the garbage CNN tells you. They said illegal aliens are no more likely to engage in crime, and that when compared to the total population of the U.S. it isn’t a big deal. And that’s true. There are after all 330,000,000 of us, so 509,000 is .0015 percent. The odds of being harmed by an illegal immigrant are low. This is the comparison they made. It’s technically true.

            But if we consider those harmed by these 509,000 illegal immigrants, and compare it to all crime, we have a serious issue.

            These 509,000 people make up a huge section of our crime.

            Cost wise we have a bad affect from not making a wall. Crime wise we have a bad affect from not putting up a a wall. Ability to keep out criminals we have a huge issue with not putting up a wall.

            And yet the democrats tell us that all evidence says a wall would “divide America!”

            Bull.

          • September 29, 2016 at 2:55 pm
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            So then, while the 509,000 is technically a small proportion of the total immigrants (since that is a huge number if we combine illegal and legal we have somewhere around 12 million here currently)

            It is not a small number of total crime. If we built a wall, allowed immigrants to come in legally, and made sure we monitored it, we would save 1.5 billion annually in the long run by removing illegal immigrants from our prisons, we could end 22% of our nation’s crime issues, as well as remove the additional spending that illegal immigrants receive in benefits, which as I have shown in other links, they run a deficit of $700,000 per family over their life time. Even if their average family was 7, that would be 600,000,000 with the low estimate of 6 million illegal immigrants here. I have heard others claim it is more in tune with 12 million on average but I’m giving a low number intentionally to illustrate a point. That is 10 billion per year in deficits on the low end. This wall pays for itself long run.

          • September 29, 2016 at 3:17 pm
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            “1., 2., & 3. Please cite where it says in the Constitution that the president dictates taxes. What happens if Democrats take over either or both houses of Congress and they do not want to work with Donald Trump? In addition, running a government is far different than running a business. He cannot just short-pay other countries and government contractors, negotiate down the debt, or fire Congress if they do not want to work with him. This is something that he, and apparently you, will need to learn the hard way.”

            Your first line is a derailing tactic. Obama was far more divisive than Trump could ever have been, and as I have proven was lying and intentionally harming the country and he managed to get what he wanted. Presidents to shape tax plan. You don’t get to state they do not.

            “4. You do also realize that Congress needs to pass any trade deals, right? In addition, he would need to get other countries to agree to less favorable terms on a new trade deal.”

            I am well aware of this. And again, see where I directed this above. If Trump presents a good plan, good politicians will allow it. If the politicians are bad, then perhaps you need to stop voting in democrats and blaming republicans for obstruction? I can’t vote in a good guy who will do good plans because he will be blocked? If you take this mentality we can not stop anything can we?

            “5. This is one area where he can use EOs to make a difference. Therefore, I am assuming you will oppose that method since you have been against President Obama using EOs.”

            Again, you try to do this false equivalency gotcha type of politics, and you assume naturally I must be a hypocrite in the areas of EOs, instead of trying to put people in who support the politics that will lead the nation to better beliefs. People follow Obama. And they need to eventually be told the things that I said I support are the right thing in order to have them passed.

            “6. So, the fact that the military, under President Obama has taken out hundreds of Islamic militants/terrorist, including many high-ranking official, is not enough?”

            No. It’s not. He is presently allowing their culture into our country and is misleading the public about the threat of Islamic faith. Again, you are being misleading and childish.

            “If a President Trump were to accomplish 10% of what he is promising, I would be surprised.”

            Only if people like you keep acting like jack asses saying what if, but but but, not fair, it’s impossible, I don’t like how he talks. If you in fact act like an adult…Not true. Also, again, Obama got the ACA, the housing regulations that harmed America, and other programs like QE. I’m rather confident that Trump can remove those housing regulations, pass one of the republican healthcare plans, (or at least make the case to the public so that if they don’t pass it the next republicans will) etc etc. You are basically saying “No you can’t! No you can’t! No you can’t!” and you haven’t actually argued against the goodness of my ideals and plans. The question is WHY can’t we? And it isn’t Trump.

            “There is only one good reason to vote for Trump…to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House, period.”

            Nope. And saying something like that shows how polarized you are. Only one? There are literally none?

            Bull crap. You are in the habit of this type of ideology, and thus you are the problem.

          • September 29, 2016 at 3:22 pm
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            In other words Ron:

            The summary of what you said was:

            I can’t support Trump because he cannot pass any plans. You don’t know this. You are making crud up as to why that is the case and then are saying since when to presidents pass laws?

            Since Obama. We’ve already seen him pass countless laws.

            I can’t support Trump because in your whiny baby world he will never be able to have an affect as president, even if the ideals are the right ones.

            This is such an unethical style of debate. I’m sorry Ron, when I say this it isn’t because I want to be mean, I say it because you as a youth need to hear that you’re wrong, and absurd for doing this.

            Pull up your big boy pants, and act like an adult. It’s time millennials stop saying but but but, not fair, presidents cannot do anything, I agree with republicans but they don’t talk how I like and it’s THEIR fault because of that that democrats are winning and doing bad things I don’t like!

            No. It is 100% YOUR fault. And people like you.

            Get your head out of the sand, be an adult.

          • September 29, 2016 at 3:32 pm
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            Even better:

            I can’t vote republican because of what they say they will do.

            That’s the shortest way of putting what you said.

            Ergo why I’m telling you off. Yes I can. And you don’t get to imply I’m silly for thinking a president can pass what he says he will.

            How do you weigh your presidential vote then eh?

            We can go back and forth on this if you really want to.

            You vote for guys that don’t even say they will do what you want, and you once told me that Obama doesn’t pass plans, when I said he told you he would pass the ACA before he did, and he would do QE and other aspects.

            So you did know. You told me this same thing, you couldn’t know he would pass it.

            So we can’t believe Obama will do what he says, and we will believe that Trump won’t do what he says, ignoring all history on the matter with cliche lines.

            Gotcha Ron. I understand entirely!

          • September 30, 2016 at 8:09 am
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            Bob,

            Nice dissertation. Way to use 8,000 words to say nothing. You really need to learn to be more concise.

            Here is a test of your reading comprehension skills.

            Please reply using one of only 2 options. If Donald Trump is elected president, and does not accomplish everything he is promising, who will you blame/hold accountable:

            a. President Trump; or
            b. Someone else: Democrats, Congress, other countries, etc.

          • September 30, 2016 at 2:12 pm
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            “Bob,

            Nice dissertation. Way to use 8,000 words to say nothing. You really need to learn to be more concise.

            Here is a test of your reading comprehension skills.

            Please reply using one of only 2 options. If Donald Trump is elected president, and does not accomplish everything he is promising, who will you blame/hold accountable:

            a. President Trump; or
            b. Someone else: Democrats, Congress, other countries, etc.”

            You’re an idiot. If you got nothing out of that, you’re a complete fool.

            A and B are not relevant. You isolate this specifically because you only work by trying to say what you believe isn’t fair. What you mean to say here is “I don’t think you hold republicans accountable like democrats!” and it is an ad hominem style of debate.

            We will stay on facts.

            I will address the actual concept you are getting at here:

            I will hold WHOEVER is responsible. I cannot know whether it will be A or B, you’re asking me to blame Trump before he does anything, and if I don’t indicate I will do so you’re implying I am indoctrinated. How childish are you? How big of a fool are you? Your behavior is insane.

            I will find the laws that cause problems, I will quote the laws, and whoever was against it, I will hold accountable.

            When I blame democrats here, I don’t just blame them, I bring up charter laws you moron, I bring up how the CRA regulations work, I bring up who tried to change them, who wouldn’t pass bills unless stupid amendments were added, who lied and said ZERO bills were attempted whereas what it was is that democrats were rejecting bills, I’ll compare to republican plans and what the republicans wanted (CBO rated healthcare plans) instead of taking your route of saying they didn’t get anything done (such a nice amount of research there Ron!) and I will do a full analysis.

            I won’t say cliche lines like you.

            Your problem here seems to be that I blame democrats for a lot. I blame them for what they are responsible for. I am not going to adjust the facts to make it 50/50 or at parity. Whoever is at fault is at fault, regardless of diversity of blame. I won’t attribute diversity of facts to make diversity of blame.

            This is the same diversity your universities encouraged. Diversity of skin color rather than diversity of ideas, in debates.

            I’m sick of it. I should emphasize this, look up college debates and look up Milo attending such debates. The man is a genius and may make you realize quite a bit.

            If you find him to be offensive (which he does intentionally to get people triggered, since he knows that our generation hates the person who is triggered as much as the person who does it, which gets people to think) then look up Ben Shapiro at these same debates.

          • September 30, 2016 at 2:16 pm
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            Also:

            That was not a test of my reading comprehension skills (which are not poor, you WILL stop saying that to goad me)

            That was a test if I could bark when you commanded. See you’re used to being able to manipulate a debate. You ask questions to lead it the way you want it to go.

            I’ve seen you do it, and I will assume at some point you learned this in college. I don’t have to answer your controlling questions that are designed to go after my character rather than facts.

            I care about facts, not your feelings about whether I’m being fair to democrats.

            Oh no Ron! I’m so not fair to them! Facts are always fair and that is why I don’t go into these silly a & b comments you say that you have no reason to ask, don’t help political discourse or knowledge, and then you call my facts that DO help knowledge nonsense.

            Maybe it takes 8,000 words and an essay to go over political issues, instead of one liners and A&B?

            Maybe you are the white and black view point, while you accuse others of doing as such, and you demand people act like that when they answer you, then you get surprised and call them simple minded?

            GROW UP RON. You are no longer a child.

          • September 30, 2016 at 2:56 pm
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            Epic fail Bob. I give you one simple task and it becomes another 8,000 word dissertation. Why must everything be so complicated?

            Let me take this from a different angle:

            Donald trump says he will get everything done that he promises and you believe him.

            I truly and honestly just want to know if you will hold him solely accountable if he does not accomplish everything he is promising or will you concede that he will face the same obstacles as all other presidents before him and may fall short keeping his promises?

            That is all.

          • September 30, 2016 at 3:04 pm
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            “Epic fail Bob. I give you one simple task and it becomes another 8,000 word dissertation. Why must everything be so complicated?”

            That wasn’t a fail. I answered your question and gave you more in depth analysis of what is required to hold someone accountable. I have a higher standard than you. That was the purpose. You asked for when I would hold him accountable simply based on whether he got what he wanted, which you emphasize below. I will look at plans and determine who was at fault, as I have always done, and as you have not.

            “Let me take this from a different angle:

            Donald trump says he will get everything done that he promises and you believe him.”

            This angle is also misleading. In your next statement you then try to hold him accountable for what others block. This is why we can’t vote republican. You will blame them even when democrats block them. I will blame democrats who vote against a good bill. I already knew you were setting this up, like the dishonest, or just plain inept little brat you are. Grow up.

            “I truly and honestly just want to know if you will hold him solely accountable if he does not accomplish everything he is promising or will you concede that he will face the same obstacles as all other presidents before him and may fall short keeping his promises?”

            I answered this. Only if it is actually his fault, and I also mentioned you are asking a loaded and pointless question, that goes after my character and is not relevant on whether or not to vote for Trump. It is only relevant to you being a pompous brat.

            That is all.”

            Totalitarian type of debate. Typical of a millennial who says they are about facts. The amount of words is not relevant to their substance. You are acting like a child again.

            You truly want to know this because you truly want to believe a lie you have convinced yourself of. You are more focused on Agent’s supposed hypocrisy, which you accuse conservatives as a whole for, than you are who is at fault. You are more interested with blame due to who is in office as president when a republican is president, than you are with democrats, at which point you then say a president isn’t the end all. No, they aren’t, but when they get what they want they are to blame. And when they don’t, we need to find out why, not simply say “well they were president after all”

            I believe you can’t assign blame, you believe I can’t properly.

            I give evidence, whereas you just say cliche crap. I show laws and public statements that are lies democrats use to trigger the public and you show…What you perceive are lies about tax returns not linked to a law, and then you show republicans constantly trying to repeal the ACA and calling a liar and call them equal. These are not similar actions.

            I am fully aware of your positions, and your weaknesses, however, you’re not fully aware of mine. Not yet anyway.

            Start learning how to analyze. I am not holding an unfair standard.

          • September 30, 2016 at 3:25 pm
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            So now, because you couldn’t address the facts:

            I can’t vote republican because I’m being not fair.

            That’s the shortest way I can say it. I’m being not fair and am holding democrats accountable too much, and because you can’t know if I will hold them responsible, I can’t vote Trump unless I make a statement in advance that I will blame him the first moment he doesn’t pass what he wants, instead of looking into who is at fault.

            Got it.

            Because it’s not fair!

            What in God’s name happened to my age group and youngin’s.

            This is pure insanity.

    • September 28, 2016 at 8:46 am
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      Hey censors, Reaganism has led us to this stage in the country. So sad one crummy President’s agenda has brought us here. If Drumpf is going to take us back, can he take us back to before Reagan destroyed The US?

      • September 28, 2016 at 4:56 pm
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        Bob, you will never get a Progressive Liberal to agree that cutting taxes on Americans will help the economy and put people back to work. They only believe in taxing and spending and if the country has a $1.3 Trillion budget deficit, the only way to deal with that is raising taxes by that much or more. Hilliary has said she will raise the taxes and in her muddled lying mind, she thinks that will increase jobs. What corporation or small business owner would hire more workers if the government increases their taxes yet again? Why would any company bring money that is currently offshore back to the US if they had it confiscated by the government at the current rate or higher if Hilliary is in there? Quick Answer – 0

      • September 28, 2016 at 5:07 pm
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        Bob, some of the trolls on this site don’t seem to learn from history. During the Carter Administration, we had an economic malaise. It was a deep recession, interest rates were sky high where people couldn’t afford anything, inflation in cost of living, had continuing energy crisis with no plans to boost production and all Carter would say was to turn the thermostat down and wear a sweater during the cold winter. No wonder he was turned away after 4 years. Reagan came in and got to work rebuilding, cutting taxes, creating jobs and after 3 years, the country started booming again. He also had to rebuild the military after some years of neglect and then won the Cold War with the Soviet Union. Carter was one of the worst Presidents and Reagan one of the best. Obama has now surpassed Carter as the worst and we have had to deal with him for 8 long years. Thank God it is almost over and we can send him to the golf course.

        • September 28, 2016 at 5:10 pm
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          The millennials need to be won somehow.

          I’m doing what I can.

          • September 28, 2016 at 6:02 pm
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            You won’t win any of them on this site. Hope you do in real life dealing with them.

          • September 29, 2016 at 3:05 pm
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            Bob, Liberals are Latinophobes. Ever notice Liberals say that they are moving to Canada if Trump is elected? Why not move to Mexico?

          • September 29, 2016 at 6:46 pm
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            I usually don’t like to tip toe into this water, but I will say I laughed at your comment, but not for why you think.

            I actually think if you say that, there will be some people who will start saying they will hop over to Mexico, and that, that would be funny as hell on the level of ineptitude someone would have to have to believe Mexico was a good country to go to.

            Mexicans can’t wait to leave, and we can’t wait to go!

          • October 5, 2016 at 4:35 pm
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            Bob, here is something for your analytical brain and I need your opinion. This is based on the assumption that Republicans retain the House & Senate which they should do. If both Houses pass good legislation to recover the economy, do you think Trump will veto it or sign it into law? Obama had the veto threat for everything they did for eight years and Harry Reid would pitch everything in the waste basket and not even allow votes because he was covering for Obama. We finally got a veto over ride on the Saudi suit on 9/11 and good old Harry was the one vote for the veto sticking. Great to see Harry riding off into the sunset to tend his pomegranates. Hopefully, a Republican will replace him for Nevada.

          • October 6, 2016 at 2:25 pm
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            I thought Reid was at risk his last election and he somehow pulled it off. This one due to the Trump attacks from the left I think he might be safe.

            Now here I will show my criticism of the mainstream left:

            I’m more worried about whether or not republicans in the house and senate will want to pass any plans that Trump and Pence come up with, than I am with Trump vetoing their legislation. The left might make it political suicide and will almost certainly cry wolf and obstruct from the beginning.

            And if that happens the public including Ron will most likely say “Yeah, you guys obstructed Obama!”.

            And we will be right back at the inability to get things done.

            I think the best part of a Trump presidency might just end up stopping bad things from being passed, and possibly having an affect on the millennials attitudes.

            I hope he gets the plans he wants, but I don’t know if that will happen. Ron is already set up to blame him if he doesn’t.

          • October 6, 2016 at 2:26 pm
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            Sorry I meant my criticism of the mainstream right. Not left.

      • September 29, 2016 at 2:47 pm
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        Censor me, censor me…
        Reaganism has led us to this stage in the country. So sad one crummy President’s agenda has brought us here. If Drumpf is going to take us back, can he take us back to before Reagan destroyed The US?

        • September 29, 2016 at 3:39 pm
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          Yes. You are so oppressed. I almost believe the reason you keep saying this is to verify that republicans are shutting you down.

          Maybe reflect inward a bit on that, in regards to how you’ve treated and viewed me the last 7 or 8 years.

          A voice not worth listening to.

          Activists should stay active especially with people who disagree with them.

        • October 10, 2016 at 5:22 pm
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          Bob, how did you think Reid was vulnerable in the last election he had despite approval ratings in the 40’s? The quick answer was that the SEIU controlled the voting machines in Nevada, that is how.

      • September 30, 2016 at 3:27 pm
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        Bob, the reason Conservatives hold Obama accountable is that he is responsible for Obamacare, his “signature” legislation passed on a strictly partisan basis by hook, crook, intimidation, lies, bribery. No other legislation ever passed has had such a negative response from the people and it is truly disastrous. Now, there is a big suit by companies against the government for not paying for their losses that was promised to them. Obama is trying to find a stash to pay them off with and tide them over until he leaves office. What a joke on the American people only we aren’t laughing about it.

      • September 30, 2016 at 4:34 pm
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        Bob, you are skating on thin ice. Libtards on this site will be calling you a bully yet again.

        • September 30, 2016 at 5:43 pm
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          Yeah, I crossed some lines. It’s usually right around the time frame that Ron or UW (mostly UW though, Ron’s not nearly the same type of person as US) start implying my facts are not fair, or are too long, or I missed the point, etc, while facts fly over their heads.

          I then call them idiots and morons. I should be a bit more careful.

          • September 30, 2016 at 5:44 pm
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            As UW not US.

          • October 3, 2016 at 9:17 am
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            Bob,

            My problem with you are not your facts, it is:

            a. Your inability to comprehend or accurately interpret what I am writing;
            b. You constantly trying to put words in my mouth;
            c. You determining my intent;
            d. Your inability to answer simple questions;
            e. Your incessant need to write 10X more words than needed;
            f. Your condescending tone and use of profanity (which has noticeably gone down recently);
            g. Your irrational defense of Agent/Deplorables;
            h. Referring to me as a moderate. There is no such thing as a moderate Independent.

  • September 23, 2016 at 6:02 pm
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    More crap being spun to win over votes for Killary. Who are you kidding. Everywhere is going political. Sick to death of it. Trump is going to win. Get over it. The only way Killary will win is by fraudulent voting or she has another death added to her belt.

  • September 26, 2016 at 2:43 pm
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    Ron & Cap…. Your getting beat up on this subject…
    Informal poll of the comments Billary is done.
    Its hard to believe that people even support this mess any more. Time for a reality check.

    • September 26, 2016 at 3:12 pm
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      FFA,

      What am I supporting? You know I am against the PPACA because it does not work.

      • September 26, 2016 at 4:34 pm
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        Ron “The PPACA is a failure! Here’s my alternative….” (comment proceeds to get downvoted)

        Typical response “Ron, the PPACA is a failure! Stop defending it!”

        Ron “I’m not! I said the PPACA is a failure! It’s not working” (comment proceeds to get downvoted)

        Continued response “Ron, the PPACA is a failure! Stop defending it!”

        and around and around the “discussion” goes. until people start comprehending what’s posted here, no true discussion can be had. how about we reply to what the people have posted instead of what we want to read?

        • September 27, 2016 at 8:04 am
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          I posted as LT-FT – apparently my name didn’t get posted with the reply

          • September 27, 2016 at 9:45 am
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            A ‘nom de plume’ or ‘nom de guerre’ perhaps ? :-) 

        • September 28, 2016 at 1:44 pm
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          This is because any time the right here comments about the issues with the ACA against say Planet,

          Ron always uses that to insult republicans and call them hypocrites.

          Then they get into an argument. Then Ron says “I don’t support the plan”

          But he doesn’t support those whose aim is to get rid of it, or replace it.

          He says they shouldn’t be trying to pass their plans again and again, because it causes division.

          Then he says where are their plans? Why can’t they sell them in the public’s eyes?

          Then I point out, well, by bringing them to vote again and again they keep it in the public’s eyes. Then he says it isn’t bi partisan to try to pass a bill that democrats won’t pass, then he blames republicans again, and calls them obstructionists.

          No true republican plans have passed in some time. This is not due to republicans. It is due to democrats being exceedingly good at this game.

          • September 28, 2016 at 2:16 pm
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            Bob,

            If you are going to criticize my position, at least be accurate.

            The reason I am against the PPACA is because I believe Universal Health Care is the only way to provide affordable health care for all citizens. Would the Republicans ever replace the PPACA with Universal Health Care? Of course not. That would cost their donors more money to provide coverage for the middle to lower classes. You know, those for whom Jesus would give his shirt and his life. But Republicans cannot spare a couple bucks.

            I only criticized Republicans for wasting taxpayer money and time trying to repeal a law that had 0% chance of actually being repealed. I would have given Republicans some credit if any of the bills to repeal the PPACA actually included a plan to replace. If any of them did, cite the number of the bill and I will do research and, if you are right, concede that I was wrong in my criticism.

            You said, “No true republican plans have passed in some time.” This has been my problem with Republicans, they do not know how to govern, only how to blame others.

          • September 28, 2016 at 3:50 pm
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            Bob, just today, another exchange has gone away in Nebraska with Blue Cross. Blue Cross said some months ago that they were “all in” on ACA. Oops! I guess they might have changed their mind when the losses kept piling up. Total failure of Progressive agenda and built on lies.

          • September 29, 2016 at 8:08 am
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            Agent,

            Good news. Another step toward Universal Health Care.

      • October 11, 2016 at 1:44 pm
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        Universal Health. Govt failed miserably. time to put it back in the hands of for profit corps.

    • October 5, 2016 at 12:10 pm
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      FFA, how did you like the Slick Willy comment yesterday that Obamacare was a disaster. Seems to run against his wife saying she will continue it and merely fix the problems. This disaster cannot be fixed, just replaced.

      • October 5, 2016 at 12:42 pm
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        He is a smart man. He is a liar so you never what what is the truth vs what he wants you to think is the truth.

        Wonder how many people think its ok to have oral sex with someone that in not your spouse just cause the president said its ok. Any women want to chime in? Is it ok for me to get oral sex from someone that is not my wife??? Maybe an intern?

        • October 5, 2016 at 4:25 pm
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          FFA, the libs think it is all ok and none of the country’s business what he did with the intern under the desk. He did get impeached for lying to a grand jury, but good old Harry Reid had his back so he wasn’t removed. He is a better liar than his wife with that slick grin on his face. He and Hilliary are the worst political couple ever in this country. Time to say bye bye to both of them.

        • October 7, 2016 at 3:21 pm
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          FFA, do you remember when Obamacareless was passed with bribery, intimidation, lies etc? There was a big revelation that the Nebraska senator Nelson accepted the now infamous “Cornhusker Kickback”. I guess it wasn’t enough money since their exchange just went belly up.

  • September 30, 2016 at 9:31 am
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    Healthcare should be not-for-profit. I don’t remember Jesus ever collecting a fare for His miracles.

    I am a registered Independent and have voted for both R’s and D’s throughout my voting life.

    Do we have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if we have a pre-existing condition and can’t get the care we need to continue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

    Who in the heck is talking about immortality? What in the heck are you talking about? Greek gods?

    Healthcare SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT. We are the only first world nation who disagrees. But, somehow, there are still many who believe we are a Christian nation. Remember the story from The Gospel when Jesus passed on healing someone? Yeah, neither do I.

    So, at first it was end up like Greece until you were corrected on how absolutely absurd that thought actually is. Now you reboot with Venezuela. Who’s next after you are schooled on how so far off that is, as well?

    It certainly seems some are pro-life until that life becomes a tax burden.

    Please do take look at the full Clinton “deplorable” comment. See both baskets she is talking about and tell me if you are in the one with David Duke or the other basket. Please don’t stop at the Faux News 3 second soundbite.

    Rape women, huh? You mean like the case against Trump raping an under-aged girl in the courts currently? I don’t remember Bill ever being convicted of rape. You must believe in the conspiracy about the Clintons being murderers, too. Is your name really Alex Jones?

    Evidently, Patticake never read The Bible or needs a refresher course. Jesus can both preach about teaching others to fish and lend a hand. Jesus never denied anyone in need, regardless of their fishing skills.

    Also, here in America, not everyone is within distance of a “pond”, let alone a clean one to fish from (which will certainly get worse if we turn into China and deregulate clean water standards). Please understand, this is an analogy. Open your mind a bit to understand the full message. Not everyone has a fair chance and that substandard has been implemented over the years on purpose. Shamefully, it still exists today.

    Hey, Jesus taught us to ignore poor people, ignore the sick people, and be a Capitalist! Oh wait, that’s Supply Side Jesus.

    Reaganism has led us to this stage in the country. So sad one crummy President’s agenda has brought us here. If Drumpf is going to take us back, can he take us back to before Reagan destroyed The US?

    • October 5, 2016 at 12:47 pm
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      Cap, there you go blaming Reagan again. Did you forget what happened on 9/11?

      You Dems always want to blame things on people that are not to blame. Todays economic situation is a result of 9/11.

      Obamas fault health care is screwed up.

      Maybe Trump can take us back to the Carter years. Hillary will.

      • October 5, 2016 at 4:20 pm
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        FFA, Trump will take us back to the Reagan years. Hilliary will amplify what Obama has done for eight years. I agree that today’s economic situation started with 9/11. GW had some good plans on the drawing board to get us out of the Clinton recession already underway when 9/11 happened and he had to shift to a war time economy. That took resources out of the economy that might have been applied to the citizens. He did do a great job of identifying the evil doers and went after them, something Democrats would never have done. They can’t even say Islamic Terrorism was at fault.

        • October 5, 2016 at 4:37 pm
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          H”e did do a great job of identifying the evil doers and went after them, something Democrats would never have done.”

          Start sarcasm – yeah, Democrats will never go after those evil doers.

          Bush authorized ~50 drone strikes, killing ~300 terrorists and ~200 civilians in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia.

          Obama authorized ~500 strikes, killing ~3,000 terrorists and ~400 civilians. (Using the average estimates provided by three non-governmental organizations.)

          Continued sarcasm – yup, clear as day there. obama and the democrats won’t identify or go after the evil doers like you said. end sarcasm.

          • October 5, 2016 at 5:21 pm
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            Still Confused? Did you forget Bush going to Afghanistan and cleaning out the Taliban and going after Bin Laden after we were hit? All Slick Willy did was send a few cruise missiles in to empty training grounds after we were hit several times including Embassy attacks in Africa, USS Cole, military barracks in Saudi Arabia. This would all have happened under Obama as well since he has been a wuss. No, Obama won’t even identify who these people are or condemn them for what they are, cold blooded killers who are Islamic terrorists bent on eliminating all infidels. He did do a good job of creating a vacuum in Iraq by pulling out and then calling them the B Team. Now, they are all over the Middle East, Northern Africa and now coming to the US to do lone wolf attacks when they get the word to strike. The so called Religion of Peace is merely a death cult and why so many on the left continue to defend them is beyond belief.

          • October 6, 2016 at 10:06 am
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            Still ignoring facts and spouting half-truths I see, Agent.

            1) Do you agree Obama authorized ~500 drone strikes killing ~3,000 terrorists?

            2) Do you agree Obama has killed more terrorists with drone strikes than Bush did with the same technique?

            2) How is it Obama’s fault that troops were withdrawn from Iraq when the exit “strategy” just followed the “plan” Bush put in place when he was President?

          • October 6, 2016 at 2:34 pm
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            “Still ignoring facts and spouting half-truths I see, Agent.

            1) Do you agree Obama authorized ~500 drone strikes killing ~3,000 terrorists?

            2) Do you agree Obama has killed more terrorists with drone strikes than Bush did with the same technique?

            2) How is it Obama’s fault that troops were withdrawn from Iraq when the exit “strategy” just followed the “plan” Bush put in place when he was President?”

            Drone strikes do not remove these people from power. Removing and setting up a system could be the only means.

            Also, Bush W had guidelines of leaving because authorizing a further stay was becoming impossible without the soldiers being tried for war crimes. I am amazed you don’t know about this, considering this same defense was used for Obama. Bush W’s goal however was to stay, and he failed, Obama’s goal day one was to leave, and he actually to this day still claims credit for leaving. So are we to just call him a liar on that?

            Regarding drone strikes and their effectiveness, they aren’t. We have seen that. We have been doing thousands of drone strikes, and it hasn’t stopped the spread of the Islamic issues. Clearly, the ideology needs to be defeated, which Obama refuses to call bad. I’m going to say it plainly: To defeat ISIS we need to defeat the ideology. That can be done by condemning it. It worked for religious extremism here, with regards to Christianity, we still have Christians who feel bad about the crimes of their religion and are active in trying to stop it (a good trait of Planet and Ron). They go a bit far, but they make sure religious zealots don’t come into large sway.

            We need that against the clear issues with the Islamic Faith, as well as the removal of the Islamic religion from the government control. I don’t mean making it illegal for them to be Muslim. I mean making the government secular, open to any faith. Because in most these countries in the Middle East, it is built into the government. It isn’t just an ideology, it is a political issue at that point.

            Bush W was far better on these issues and understood them by comparison to Obama. People in the U.S. simply didn’t want to take this on. Which I don’t blame them for. But they simultaneously called that moral high ground, which it isn’t. That is called protecting your sons and daughters, at the expense of others. That’s fine. But it’s an “America first” mentality, just like Trump.

          • October 6, 2016 at 3:04 pm
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            Bob, Regardless of your stance on the effectiveness, do you agree Obama has used drone strikes to go after terrorists?

            Agent believes Democrats don’t go after evil doers. I am countering that arguing citing the statistic that 3,000 terrorists were killed via Obama drone strikes, which proves Democrats ARE going after the terrorists.

            “So are we to just call him a liar…?” Uh, yeah man. If someone lies and you can prove it’s a lie, you get to call them a liar. That’s how it works.

  • September 30, 2016 at 1:41 pm
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    Call Sean Hannity,

    Healthcare should be not-for-profit. I don’t remember Jesus ever collecting a fare for His miracles.

    I am a registered Independent and have voted for both R’s and D’s throughout my voting life.

    Do we have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if we have a pre-existing condition and can’t get the care we need to continue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

    Who in the heck is talking about immortality? What in the heck are you talking about? Greek gods?

    Healthcare SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT. We are the only first world nation who disagrees. But, somehow, there are still many who believe we are a Christian nation. Remember the story from The Gospel when Jesus passed on healing someone? Yeah, neither do I.

    So, at first it was end up like Greece until you were corrected on how absolutely absurd that thought actually is. Now you reboot with Venezuela. Who’s next after you are schooled on how so far off that is, as well?

    It certainly seems some are pro-life until that life becomes a tax burden.

    Please do take look at the full Clinton “deplorable” comment. See both baskets she is talking about and tell me if you are in the one with David Duke or the other basket. Please don’t stop at the Faux News 3 second soundbite.

    Rape women, huh? You mean like the case against Trump raping an under-aged girl in the courts currently? I don’t remember Bill ever being convicted of rape. You must believe in the conspiracy about the Clintons being murderers, too. Is your name really Alex Jones?

    Evidently, Patticake never read The Bible or needs a refresher course. Jesus can both preach about teaching others to fish and lend a hand. Jesus never denied anyone in need, regardless of their fishing skills.

    Also, here in America, not everyone is within distance of a “pond”, let alone a clean one to fish from (which will certainly get worse if we turn into China and deregulate clean water standards). Please understand, this is an analogy. Open your mind a bit to understand the full message. Not everyone has a fair chance and that substandard has been implemented over the years on purpose. Shamefully, it still exists today.

    Hey, Jesus taught us to ignore poor people, ignore the sick people, and be a Capitalist! Oh wait, that’s Supply Side Jesus.

    Reaganism has led us to this stage in the country. So sad one crummy President’s agenda has brought us here. If Drumpf is going to take us back, can he take us back to before Reagan destroyed The US?

    • September 30, 2016 at 2:05 pm
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      Yes. Reagan destroyed the U.S. Carter’s time period of hell was an illusion because of the jobs figures, when you ignore how hard it was to live in that time.

      Regan’s excellent job numbers and low inflation without having to pay for it with QE was just a temporary thing, even though the lower taxes continued during Clinton’s terms as well as deregulation, it was Reagan’s deregulation and not Clinton’s.

      Such inconsistency. My commentary is consistent.

      I blame Clinton for higher taxes, I don’t blame him for regulation, he actually removed some. I don’t believe what he removed caused any recession. The only reason I bring up his Glass Steagall area (which republicans and him wanted) is to show that deregulation is not bad.

      I have pointed out how regulation caused our housing crises. And if regulation is needed to make us grow, why are we still in a bad spot, as you have said many times Planet? How long does it take for these “true policies” to work? You call a 20+ year of good times fake, because a recession happens (which as it turns out economies even without bad governing will have recessions in waves, it is part of any economy) and then 8 years of slow growth just the pain before the good stuff? Ah yeah, I want that slow growth to make sure we get to the real good stuff, I don’t want that Reagan prosperity for 20 years.

      Nah.

      • September 30, 2016 at 5:23 pm
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        Bob, how about a good one to go home on?

        Picture a mainstream media guy sitting behind his desk doing the bidding of Hilliary.

        F.A.C.T check – Description! Fighting Alongside Clinton Team.

      • October 4, 2016 at 11:00 am
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        “My commentary is consistent.”

        Very true, regardless of the evidence you consistently say the exact same thing.

        “And if regulation is needed to make us grow, why are we still in a bad spot, as you have said many times Planet? How long does it take for these “true policies” to work? You call a 20+ year of good times fake, ”

        The US underwent massive deregulation during Bush’s presidency,a fact you refuse to accept.

        “I don’t want that Reagan prosperity for 20 years”

        More BS, the Reagan prosperity went to the top earners while middle and lower class people fell behind, and at the end of it the economy stunk, workers lost much of their power, and Reagan should have been in jail, as should much of his administration, but he pardoned them.

        • October 5, 2016 at 12:07 pm
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          Consistently absurd troll. Ignore all the prosperity created by Reagan during his term(s). Winning the cold war with the Communists, creating jobs by the millions by passing legislation which helped businesses. By the way, he also encouraged savings by creating IRA’s, 401 K’s for retirement.

  • September 30, 2016 at 5:19 pm
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    Hannity knows, call him.

    Healthcare should be not-for-profit. I don’t remember Jesus ever collecting a fare for His miracles.

    I am a registered Independent and have voted for both R’s and D’s throughout my voting life.

    Do we have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if we have a pre-existing condition and can’t get the care we need to continue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

    Who in the heck is talking about immortality? What in the heck are you talking about? Greek gods?

    Healthcare SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT. We are the only first world nation who disagrees. But, somehow, there are still many who believe we are a Christian nation. Remember the story from The Gospel when Jesus passed on healing someone? Yeah, neither do I.

    So, at first it was end up like Greece until you were corrected on how absolutely absurd that thought actually is. Now you reboot with Venezuela. Who’s next after you are schooled on how so far off that is, as well?

    It certainly seems some are pro-life until that life becomes a tax burden.

    Please do take look at the full Clinton “deplorable” comment. See both baskets she is talking about and tell me if you are in the one with David Duke or the other basket. Please don’t stop at the Faux News 3 second soundbite.

    Rape women, huh? You mean like the case against Trump raping an under-aged girl in the courts currently? I don’t remember Bill ever being convicted of rape. You must believe in the conspiracy about the Clintons being murderers, too. Is your name really Alex Jones?

    Evidently, Patticake never read The Bible or needs a refresher course. Jesus can both preach about teaching others to fish and lend a hand. Jesus never denied anyone in need, regardless of their fishing skills.

    Also, here in America, not everyone is within distance of a “pond”, let alone a clean one to fish from (which will certainly get worse if we turn into China and deregulate clean water standards). Please understand, this is an analogy. Open your mind a bit to understand the full message. Not everyone has a fair chance and that substandard has been implemented over the years on purpose. Shamefully, it still exists today.

    Hey, Jesus taught us to ignore poor people, ignore the sick people, and be a Capitalist! Oh wait, that’s Supply Side Jesus.

    Reaganism has led us to this stage in the country. So sad one crummy President’s agenda has brought us here. If Drumpf is going to take us back, can he take us back to before Reagan destroyed The US?

  • October 2, 2016 at 11:44 am
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    Hannity, just call him. He’s my boyfriend and I tell him everything.

    Healthcare should be not-for-profit. I don’t remember Jesus ever collecting a fare for His miracles.

    I am a registered Independent and have voted for both R’s and D’s throughout my voting life.

    Do we have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if we have a pre-existing condition and can’t get the care we need to continue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

    Who in the heck is talking about immortality? What in the heck are you talking about? Greek gods?

    Healthcare SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT. We are the only first world nation who disagrees. But, somehow, there are still many who believe we are a Christian nation. Remember the story from The Gospel when Jesus passed on healing someone? Yeah, neither do I.

    So, at first it was end up like Greece until you were corrected on how absolutely absurd that thought actually is. Now you reboot with Venezuela. Who’s next after you are schooled on how so far off that is, as well?

    It certainly seems some are pro-life until that life becomes a tax burden.

    Please do take look at the full Clinton “deplorable” comment. See both baskets she is talking about and tell me if you are in the one with David Duke or the other basket. Please don’t stop at the Faux News 3 second soundbite.

    Rape women, huh? You mean like the case against Trump raping an under-aged girl in the courts currently? I don’t remember Bill ever being convicted of rape. You must believe in the conspiracy about the Clintons being murderers, too. Is your name really Alex Jones?

    Evidently, Patticake never read The Bible or needs a refresher course. Jesus can both preach about teaching others to fish and lend a hand. Jesus never denied anyone in need, regardless of their fishing skills.

    Also, here in America, not everyone is within distance of a “pond”, let alone a clean one to fish from (which will certainly get worse if we turn into China and deregulate clean water standards). Please understand, this is an analogy. Open your mind a bit to understand the full message. Not everyone has a fair chance and that substandard has been implemented over the years on purpose. Shamefully, it still exists today.

    Hey, Jesus taught us to ignore poor people, ignore the sick people, and be a Capitalist! Oh wait, that’s Supply Side Jesus.

    Reaganism has led us to this stage in the country. So sad one crummy President’s agenda has brought us here. If Drumpf is going to take us back, can he take us back to before Reagan destroyed The US?



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