Obama Thinks His Exit Could Lead to Bipartisan Obamacare Fix

By | October 21, 2016

  • October 21, 2016 at 9:20 am
    Captain Planet says:
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    Reagancare, that is freaking funny! I am dying laughing. President Obama just mic dropped on that. Pure comedy right there.

    • October 21, 2016 at 1:25 pm
      Jack Kanauph says:
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      Obama shouldn’t think!
      He wants Reagancare or Ryancare so history won’t tie him to this costly mess.
      He is a crock and the worst president ever! He wants bi-partisanship yet he goes around knocking all the Republican candidates.

      • October 21, 2016 at 4:48 pm
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        Jack, I wonder why Obama wasn’t interested in a bi-partisan bill when he started out. Maybe he knew he would have to accept something that actually worked. We can’t have that. Let’s just intimidate, bribe, lie and all will be good in the end. Eventually, Republicans will agree to single payer in deperation. That is the goal in the end anyway.

      • October 21, 2016 at 4:55 pm
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          • October 25, 2016 at 9:35 am
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            Captain,
            The worst President of all time is Obama, and he endorsed Hilliary. Reagan never endorsed Hilliary as he has passed away.

      • October 22, 2016 at 3:41 pm
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        • October 22, 2016 at 3:53 pm
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          Oh, and speaking of the worst President of all time, did you see his son, Michael, said his mother, Nancy, would be voting for Hillary in this election? Heck, I’ll use a right wing source to support it:

          http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/10/03/michael-reagan-embarrassed-trump-glad-my-dad-isnt-alive-see

        • October 24, 2016 at 5:20 pm
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          More on Reagan:

          Oh, and speaking of the worst President of all time, did you see his son, Michael, said his mother, Nancy, would be voting for Hillary in this election? Heck, I’ll use a right wing source to support it:

          http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/10/03/michael-reagan-embarrassed-trump-glad-my-dad-isnt-alive-see

          • October 24, 2016 at 10:06 pm
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            This is a comments section on The ACA; Obama’s Signature Failure.

            Look elsewhere if you care to disrespect Reagan. Try Huff & Puff Post…. or any alphabet news network.

        • October 25, 2016 at 11:25 am
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          We love censorship:

          Jack, you didn’t answer me in the other forum so I’ll ask you here. You said the worst President of all time endorsed Hillary. When did Reagan do that?

          • October 26, 2016 at 2:19 pm
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            Really, Cappie? You do know what the definition of insanity is, don’t you? Perhaps Jack is just IGNORING you, you darn fool.

      • October 24, 2016 at 9:28 am
        Jac Kanauph says:
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        I’m doing a Planet:

        Obama shouldn’t think!
        He wants Reagancare or Ryancare so history won’t tie him to this costly mess.
        He is a crock and the worst president ever! He wants bi-partisanship yet he goes around knocking all the Republican candidates.

      • October 27, 2016 at 4:06 pm
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        Correct Jack. Every time Obama thinks, the debt goes up and the rate increases on Obamacare skyrocket. Bad news, Hilliary is Obama on steroids since she wants to expand the mess.

    • October 21, 2016 at 1:39 pm
      Bob says:
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      You’re right. Obama is pure comedy gold. A joke.

      When it comes to my healthcare, I want plans. Not jokes.

    • October 24, 2016 at 12:10 pm
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      Reagancare, that is freaking funny! I am dying laughing. President Obama just mic dropped on that. Pure comedy right there.

      • October 25, 2016 at 1:15 pm
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        Reagancare, that is freaking funny! I am dying laughing. President Obama just mic dropped on that. Pure comedy right there.

  • October 21, 2016 at 10:26 am
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    Delusional liberal Socialist Communist Marxist liar failure divider in chief.

    • October 21, 2016 at 1:04 pm
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      So tired of you conservative idiots dropping the words “communism” and “socialism” because your overlords rush and glenn beck told you and think your thoughts for you. It shows your complete lack of understanding of social and economic theory, and that you’re completely willing to paint complex social strata with broad and reductive strokes to fuel the fires of your own garbage bias and idiocy.

      The United States, has, and always will be, under Reagan, Obama, and whoever else, much closer to a Oligarchy than it has ever been closer to socialism, and has so many checks and balances built into place that it will never approach anything near communism or socialism. Maybe take a second to understand this thing called “nuance” instead of basing your entire political worldview on reactionary shlock from talk radio and wikipedia entries.

      • October 24, 2016 at 7:18 am
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        I’m NOT tired by your incorrect assumptions about who ‘we’ Conservatives, Libertarians, and Tea Party Patriots are, and hope you continue to make similar, erroneous assumptions in the future in your rants and vile comments. It’s quite amusing!

      • October 24, 2016 at 3:14 pm
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        reposting of comment above which was censored by BOTS:

        DePolarBearables says:

        Delusional liberal Socialist Communist Marxist liar failure divider in chief.

        • October 25, 2016 at 1:21 pm
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          Communism and socialism are different things, crack a book.

      • October 25, 2016 at 1:23 pm
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        Great point Grouch, but that goes right over the head of the people it is aimed at. Can you guys who whine about communists point to 5 industries where the supposed communists are calling for the State to own and control the means of production?

    • October 21, 2016 at 4:49 pm
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      You said a lot in one sentence DePolar.

      • October 21, 2016 at 10:08 pm
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        He sure did, a whole lotta nothing!

        Agent, why did you change your name? Is it true you were kicked off IJ and that’s why you are now Deplorables? If that isn’t true, why the switch?

      • October 24, 2016 at 7:23 am
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        @ Caplanet: ‘whole lotta nothing’ is a good summary description of BHO’s accomplishments in office.

        Here’s a capsule summary: golf, vacation, apology to foreign leader, advancement of Marxist/ Communist/ Socialist/ Alinsky agenda, create further division among social groups with the US, blame George Bush and Ronald Reagan for economic problems that haven’t been solved in almost 8 years, double the National Debt by over-spending at a record rate, help Illegal Immigrants enter the US illegally, and repeat.

        • October 24, 2016 at 10:29 am
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          You do realize that illegal immigration actually escalated the most under George W. Bush, when it jumped 24% from 2000 (Clinton’s last year in office) to 2005…and has actually stabilized under Obama. I could refute all your other points, but it’s not worth it since you’re not open to actually listening to facts….just talking points.

          • October 24, 2016 at 3:19 pm
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            Great! 24% amounts to EXACTLY HOW MANY illegal immigrants under Bush’s terms? In other words, to what BASE are you deriving the 24% ?

            IF you increase 1 million illegals by 24%, you get 240,000 more.

            IF you increase 15 million illegals by 24%, you 3.6 million more.

            Good try, but you failed to use creative stats to make your specious argument.

            Also, Compare THAT NUMBER from the 24% increase to the US Census Population number at that time.

            Now, look at NEW Illegal Immigration COUNTS under Obama.
            Compare that number to US Population when BHO took office.

          • October 25, 2016 at 11:55 am
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            Wow, polar, wow. There were about 9 million at the start of Bush’s term and about 12 million at the end. There are now a little over 11. For the ranting conservatives here that is a decrease under Obama. For crying out loud, stop pretending to know or care about math, it’s an embarrassment.

          • October 26, 2016 at 11:34 am
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            Great point DePolar.. Trump uses that same tactic to make a statement that sound much worse than it is.. Syrian refugees will increase 550%!! or you could say we are increasing to 65,000 from 10,000. But saying an additional 55,000 doesn’t sound near as foreboding..

          • October 27, 2016 at 5:01 pm
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            We already know how bad you are with math, so here are some numbers as to why the illegal immigration number is bad:

            http://www.fairus.org/issue/criminal-aliens

            And furthermore, a wall would be more effective at stopping this than either Obama or Bush W, so really on one end you say stopping immigration is bad, but then you just praised Obama for stopping it more supposedly?

            What…Whatever way looks good for your party is the way you will argue? Is that it?

            Pawn.

        • October 27, 2016 at 4:12 pm
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          Depolar, story on Obama’s golf exploits just came out on Golf Channel. In 2013, he flew in two instructors, Butch Harmon and brother from the west coast for a lesson to him in Florida. After all expenses were paid (by taxpayer dollars), it cost the American people $3.6 million for this lesson. Didn’t do him much good and Harmon didn’t fix anything. The lefty President still can’t hit it out of his shadow. Still takes mulligans after every shot, picks up putts for bogey’s and says to his playing partners, don’t count that.

  • October 21, 2016 at 10:57 am
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    I think that regardless of people’s opinions about Obama, the point is that he tried something,it needs fixing, and both parties need to work together to fix it and improve healthcare in our country.

    • October 21, 2016 at 12:11 pm
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      Well InsuranceGuy, you rec’d a down vote, on a reasonable post, which pretty much sums up some where people are with this. They don’t want to work together and there’s no willingness to compromise.

      • October 21, 2016 at 1:38 pm
        Bob says:
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        We don’t compromise with bad ideas for the sake of compromise. That is sheer insanity. You are currently the actual problem with our country.

        You’re willing to pass bad things, because it makes you clap your hands for your bi partisan behavior when you pass bad things…

        • October 21, 2016 at 6:29 pm
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          Yes liberals are the problem for implementing plans that work in other countries far better than our system, and not just doing what conservatives want – which of course means conservatives should start a civil war according to you.

          • October 21, 2016 at 7:01 pm
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            I was waiting for you. Whenever the dislikes go out of control you’re not far behind.

            Point one: That’s your opinion, and you’re going to have to prove it.

            Point two: I have never said republicans should start a civil war.

            You keep repeating a lie until it’s correct right?

          • October 21, 2016 at 7:06 pm
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            Go ahead troll-lol-lol.

            I once digested the healthcare performance based on numbers from the WHO. Want me to do it again?

            I subtracted our abnormally high vehicular and homicide deaths.

            I then went over studies regarding obesity’s affect on each of the leading causes of death, and found, that by nearly every measure any study says we are behind, our lifestyles are the reason, and others that are misleading, like infant mortality rates, are due to both definition differences between the countries that allow more to be counted here (still births etc), as well as obesity and other things regarding diet.

            Instead, you go with your cliche preferred friend sources that agree with you.

            Hey hey hey, ya’all! You’re so smarts!

            Kid, I don’t have time for you. You’re talking to someone who doesn’t want to play your games, and is smarter than you on every issue we have debated.

            It’s like debating a puppy. You’re cute and fun, but you yippity yap nonsense all day long and you’re in your own world. Leave debate to people who know how, with data, facts, etc, not your childish opinions.

          • October 21, 2016 at 7:07 pm
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            For the record to all of you:

            Pay attention to UW. He may very well actually be part of the Hillary campaign.

            And this is not my paranoid saying it. He’s either actually this crazy, (which I’ve never seen) or he’s actually paid by Hillary.

            Which one do you want to own up to UW?

          • October 21, 2016 at 7:10 pm
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            Also: I have many times said I don’t call for a civil war.

            So put words into my mouth all you want, it’s just not true.

            I’m going to hammer this home more than once, because lying like that, is either evil or delusional.

            If you want to talk to me at all, instead of me just proving your sorry rear end wrong all day (and winning, by the likes by the way, even despite your like sabotages) then you’re going to say you were wrong that I said the right should start a civil war.

            Because we don’t make up crap and call people rapists, genocidal, war starters, who kill innocents, m’kay?

            That’s not how the big kids debate policy and politics.

            It’s how “pathetic” people like you do.

            It’s not how normal people do.

          • October 21, 2016 at 10:03 pm
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            Bob, I don’t remember that particular rant, but in all likelihood I read the first of 200 paragraphs, decided it was fantastical bordering on retarded and stopped reading.

            Like your figures the other day that were off by a magnitude of thousands of percent, your bs retirement plan, your bs unemployment figures, your idiotic labor force participation rants, your ignorant statements about confidence intervals, your confused blathering about almost everybody being above an average, and literally every other math rant of yours is looked into, I can pretty much guarantee it is wrong.

            Yes, if you exclude enough you can find the results you want but most of those are idiotic to exclude, because they are part of the health care system and things like preventative care takes care of them before they get bigger. You don’t understand what an average is and can’t do math with percentages, you sure the hell cannot do an econometric study on health care.

            As for down votes to go hell, every liberal here has been getting down voted for weeks by your idiot bufdies. Who cares? Grow up. I read your retarded rants, down voting makes it a pain in the ass to do so on my phone so I don’t do it.

            Before we had multiple accounts, life agent now, and then we were all doing it to hide your great points. Maybe we turned on our bots again, genius. Or maybe, like many have said, they read it, rarely comment, and think your racist, hateful rhetoric and fantasies are disgusting. That would certainly be supported by the election polling.

            Stick to the conspiracy theories you can copy and paste from Drudge.

          • October 24, 2016 at 7:26 am
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            @Uw; name ONE country where socialized medicine works effectively and doesn’t result in delays and unnecessary deaths due to those delays. Just ONE. Then, if you think you’ve found ONE, explain why the citizens of that country come to the US for treatment of their serious health issues.

          • October 25, 2016 at 6:04 pm
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            I vote you down a lot Bob, because I don’t like lies, especially from sexual assault supporting insane people.

          • October 25, 2016 at 8:18 pm
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            I have never supported rape or assault.

            Ever.

            Point out some of my lies.

          • October 26, 2016 at 9:16 am
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            You said kissing a woman without consent or grabbing her like Trump said he does is not sexual assault, and that you have done it, calling it instead getting some. You said some of the finest people you know do that and whined you can’t even approach a woman without it being called sexual assault. Then you went on a weird thing about flirting with gay guys.

            You support sexual assault because you don’t classify it as that and think your definitions and reality are true.

          • October 26, 2016 at 10:13 am
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            “And this is not my paranoid saying it. He’s either actually this crazy, (which I’ve never seen) or he’s actually paid by Hillary.”

            “[…]and for three, if anyone believes in conspiracy theories, it is you.”

            You couldn’t make it a day without creating a new conspiracy theory. You are totally off the rails Bob. Better say how smart you are, and how much people worship your research now.

          • October 26, 2016 at 2:18 pm
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            “You said kissing a woman without consent or grabbing her like Trump said he does is not sexual assault, and that you have done it, calling it instead getting some.”

            Hahahaha, no. You’re twisting my words. I said there comes a point when you both are into each other, and you start making out and it moves forward. I described sex as it happens, and said Trump is in a vulgar way, mentioning consensual arrogant sex. Let me ask you a question: Did you ask for consent to have sex the first time you did? Did you say the words, “can I grab your butt” before you did, while making out? I know sexuality. And I am not a sexual aggressor, in fact, I was much more passive due to this state.

            I have never moved in for the kiss, I have always responded. I have never grabbed a woman, she has grabbed me, and I don’t see them as rapists, or that as sexual assault. I mentioned before that a woman while I was drunk was on top of me in public, and giving me a hand job in public. Guess who put their hands on who without consent? I didn’t even really want this woman, but meh, such is life. Back then I was an insecure boy.

            “You said some of the finest people you know do that and whined you can’t even approach a woman without it being called sexual assault. Then you went on a weird thing about flirting with gay guys.”

            Yes. And it’s true. Because of people emphasizing on things like this, men can’t approach women. What’s your point? I mentioned the gay guys only to point out that I’m more liberal, or I was, than you realize. You talk to me as if I’m some crazed conservative. I’m not. I’m in WA state for crying out loud.

            “You support sexual assault because you don’t classify it as that and think your definitions and reality are true.”

            My definitions are reality and are true, I don’t demean sexual assault by calling it what it isn’t.

            Nothing about Trump’s statement implied sexual assault, and your commentary leads to bad affects.

          • October 26, 2016 at 2:21 pm
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            ““And this is not my paranoid saying it. He’s either actually this crazy, (which I’ve never seen) or he’s actually paid by Hillary.”

            “[…]and for three, if anyone believes in conspiracy theories, it is you.”

            You couldn’t make it a day without creating a new conspiracy theory. You are totally off the rails Bob. Better say how smart you are, and how much people worship your research now.”

            Mention some of my conspiracy theories then.

            I better do that eh? I should! Totes magoates you are such a genius!

            Saying you are insane to the degree you are, or you are a paid troll isn’t conspiracy theory.

            No one talks this crazy. It’s rare.

          • October 26, 2016 at 2:25 pm
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            Also I will now go into my male friends I was referring to:

            Some of my old male friends bragged about being able to sleep with who they wanted. I did not brag they assaulted people. It’s an insecurity thing most the time.

            The women they had sex with, I witnessed them throwing themselves at these men. I even got to witness a girl who turned up being 16, (just looked a lot older) trying to get with one of my friends when he was in his 20’s. I didn’t even know what happened but after she approached him and I just walked off and did my own thing at a mall, he came back later and was like “That girl was 16, and wanted me to just disregard it and date her, what is wrong with girls these days?”. He didn’t have to tell me that, he could have just went along with it and dated her.

            This same guy had issues all the time with trying to find a woman he liked, who didn’t use him as a sexual object. The men I hung around were not sexual predators.

            They were if anything damaged.

          • October 26, 2016 at 2:30 pm
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            Let me go into another story of my history:

            When I was in my early 20’s I met a woman in her late 30’s to have sex, and because I actually am sexually damaged

            (I mentioned once I have been sexually assaulted, and I don’t believe in degrading it to the level you have helps those who have been)

            I blocked out most of the event. I remember her trying to have sex with me, and she must have become too aggressive, because from my point of view I remember that and I remember breaking down, which I did, because I couldn’t do it.

            What I did not remember is that somehow we still did things. The way I found out is that she said I would be good for her daughter, if only we didn’t have sex. This mother by the way was protective of her daughter. Do you think she would want a sexual predator going after her daughter? Even though we met for sex I was extremely kind to her, and we had a fun time before trying to do things. She was a nice lady.

            I wasn’t drunk either. This was from trauma with regards to my sexual assault that happened a few years prior. For you to call me a sexual predator, when I have never approached a woman, or touched one, angers me beyond belief. You don’t know what sexual assault is.

          • October 27, 2016 at 11:20 am
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            “Mention some of my conspiracy theories then”

            The one I just stated, that you just quoted is a good example since you’ve stated it multiple times. You are truly unbelievable.

            Question. If you feel a woman is really into you, as you’ve commented on before about that “moment,” or whatever you called it, is it okay to just grab her sexual parts (if you feel it is going there of course)?

          • October 27, 2016 at 12:53 pm
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            “The one I just stated, that you just quoted is a good example since you’ve stated it multiple times. You are truly unbelievable.”

            I have said you are insane or a paid activist. This is not a conspiracy theory, child. You can stop throwing your fits now.

            “Question. If you feel a woman is really into you, as you’ve commented on before about that “moment,” or whatever you called it, is it okay to just grab her sexual parts (if you feel it is going there of course)?”

            I already know what you’re leading up to and I will follow that question with the following:

            Have you ever grabbed a woman’s private parts during your youth or even now your wife without asking?

            When someone brags that he is king of the world and can grope women, nothing in that implies there wasn’t consent, the point of your question is to label me a rapist.

            Now for me personally, I will add the following, because we do differ here. But not in the way you think, you pathetic sleaze.

            I just asked you the same question. I already told you I’m a victim of sexual assault and as such have never approached a woman, they have always touched me first.

            This is inclusive of sexual. I have NEVER done what you put above, there is the shocking revelation. I can’t. Literally. Due to my sexual assault.

            Now, have women done this to me? Yes. Every. Single. One. Not some. ALL. And this is how ALL people work except for the sexually damaged. As I said, I don’t pursue, but I have had sex with over 20 women…Soooo….Yeah, how do you think it happened buddy? Like many sexually assaulted folks (of true assault not this bull you claim)I went on a bit of a self degrading sex journey.

          • October 27, 2016 at 12:55 pm
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            My wife still comments on the fact that I do not do any of the following things (TMI coming)

            Wake her up for sex.
            Pursue her, or grope her, (She has used this word, grope) and thus we can go literal weeks where we don’t have sex because I am default comfortable not touching women.
            Or just go straight for a “quickie”. I don’t operate that way. I cannot have sex without feeling “safe”. Which means sudden sex is something I can’t do.

            So I understand a bit about what you’re talking about, but I would never accuse these women of sexual assault for grabbing my penis during intense kissing.

          • October 27, 2016 at 12:57 pm
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            So again, I told you before:

            You’re not helping people who were sexually assaulted. You have this ego that you and the left save the world.

            No. You use people like me who have been assaulted to assault others and accuse them of rape, and demean sexual assault to some frat boy said something type of thing.

            It’s sick, to those of us who have been assaulted.

          • October 27, 2016 at 7:13 pm
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            Also UW:

            Name some conspiracy style politics I believe, not that I believe you are either the most insane liberal I have ever debated or you are a paid troll.

            That is a personal issue. Why don’t you name a conspiracy theory policy I believe in.

      • October 21, 2016 at 1:45 pm
        Bob says:
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        So if we have a plan that will cut cuts by 20% in comparison to another, and the only reason less people are insured is because less people choose to get insurance, and the plan that cuts costs 20% also gives just as much assistance but needs no new taxes,

        Why should we compromise and pass the 20% higher cost plan that harms everyone as a whole?

        Could you explain that one to me?

        And why is Obama saying republicans need to stop “pretending” there were other plans? This is how he treats the plans of other people?

        And it’s other people’s fault?

        No. The fault belongs with him.

      • October 21, 2016 at 2:25 pm
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        SWFL, maybe InsuranceGuy was down voted because of his statement “he tried something”. That’s laughable.

        • October 21, 2016 at 5:37 pm
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          Perplexed, had your joke of the week yet? Hilliary is the gift that just keeps on giving. New video came out today showing her lecturing State Dept employees on Cyber Security. Astounding since she didn’t do it herself. Oh that’s right, I forgot. That doesn’t apply to a Clinton.

          • October 21, 2016 at 10:15 pm
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            That’s a doozy, Agent. Just where do you come up with these zingers? Eddie Murphy called and said you are one funny dude! Maybe one of these days, you can work a “not” joke in for us all. Something like, Don The Alleged Raper respects people of color and women…

            NOT!

          • October 22, 2016 at 5:55 pm
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            Agent, can you provide any evidence that she lead to any leaks or hacks? There isn’t any, but the most idiotic of people on the right act as if it is a fact something happened.

          • October 27, 2016 at 4:30 pm
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            He thinks “Killary” is a good joke, he’s an idiot. I have seen him use “not” before too.

          • October 27, 2016 at 5:06 pm
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            “Agent, can you provide any evidence that she lead to any leaks or hacks? There isn’t any, but the most idiotic of people on the right act as if it is a fact something happened.”

            Using an unsecured server opens up the possibility and makes it easier.

            Hillary clearly was wreck less and the FBI said as much. Also, Wikileaks even had emails showing that officials were actually upset with themselves for not pursuing Hillary more regarding the insults.

            I imagine you listened to the wiki leaks during the Iraq war and Bush W didn’t you? And now it’s some conspiracy theory from Russia to steer our elections isn’t it?

            Hey look, there’s a conspiracy theory, do you subscribe to it like the left has publicly done so far?

            It’s good information when it’s a tool for you, but not against you eh?

            What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!

    • October 21, 2016 at 1:14 pm
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      Obama and liberals were told it was crap and passed it anyway to find out what was in it. Why work with idiots like that ?

      • October 22, 2016 at 5:56 pm
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        Actually, they knew what was in it, because they debated it for over a year. Republicans were busy obstructing and trying to put in ridiculous amendments so they didn’t do their duty to participate, because they thought they could keep elected Democrats from being seated instead.

        • October 23, 2016 at 11:45 am
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          UW,
          You should know by now some, not all, but some on The Right have an allergic reaction to truth and fact.

        • October 24, 2016 at 7:07 pm
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          Premium increases across the country prove democrats are dumb as rocks. That’s the facts.

          • October 24, 2016 at 11:08 pm
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            Premiums were increasing before the Obamacare plan was implemented, and the growth in premiums has been slower under it than it was projected to be without it.

        • October 25, 2016 at 1:16 pm
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          censors

          UW,
          You should know by now some, not all, but some on The Right have an allergic reaction to truth and fact.

    • October 21, 2016 at 1:37 pm
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      Trying something, and pretending that options that were better didn’t exist, misleading the public about that, and continuing to pretend no other options existed, while panicking people, and insisting we need a mandate and to increase cost, and throwing a wrench in the whole system,

      Is not a good thing.

      Obamacare needs to be removed entirely. The plans republicans put forth and his are completely different beasts, you cannot adjust obamacare to be 20% more efficient in costs.

      It needs to go.

    • October 21, 2016 at 2:42 pm
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      Actually, you’re wrong.

      Dems want to fix it. But it’s irreparably broke.

      Republicans want to repeal it and replace it with a workable plan that has features that work to solve the problems of adverse selection and to control claim costs.

      Anyone who uses the tactic of inviting an enemy to help them solve a problem they exclusively created in insincere at best, and most likely a lying weasel trying to lure their enemy into a trap to blame them for an impending failure.

      • October 22, 2016 at 3:32 pm
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        Therein lies the problem, Yogi. You are calling fellow Americans “an enemy”. You and I disagree on many issues, but I would never call you an enemy.

        • October 22, 2016 at 6:04 pm
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          Just like his candidate, Trump. It is never “we” or Americans, it is “the blacks,” “the women,” “the Muslims,” “the gays,” “the Hispanics,” etc., not “we” or Americans. It is people who agree with him and pledge allegiance, and everybody else.

          • October 24, 2016 at 7:28 am
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            My candidate is not in the race now.

          • October 24, 2016 at 1:05 pm
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            Your hero has never mentioned “we” for the past 8 years, always “I”. He also thinks there is 57 states, Corpmen are Corpsemen among other things. What a disaster he has been for this country. He has been successful at dividing the country though.

          • October 24, 2016 at 1:23 pm
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            Agent,

            And you believe someone who has divided their own party can unite the country?

            Good luck.

          • October 24, 2016 at 11:10 pm
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            Except when he said, “Yes WE can.”

            You can’t even troll well Agent. Good thing you are in a small town where you don’t have to face actual competition.

          • October 26, 2016 at 2:28 pm
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            Well, UW…just what do you want Mr. Trump to call the Blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims, etc.??? What does Hillary call them? Oh, that’s right. I’ve heard her call them the Blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims, etc.

          • October 27, 2016 at 9:56 am
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            How about Hispanic people, African American people, etc? Also it’s the way he uses it and how often he does it. He classifies them as separate groups. Here’s a short article on it

            http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-the-blacks-the-gays-2016-10

            You certainly have not heard Clinton use those terms in the same way Trump uses them.

      • October 25, 2016 at 11:26 am
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        Censoring rocks!

        Therein lies the problem, Yogi. You are calling fellow Americans “an enemy”. You and I disagree on many issues, but I would never call you an enemy.

  • October 21, 2016 at 1:24 pm
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    There are some good things and some bad things about this law. However, Mr. President, if you think just by leaving office the party rift will be fixed you have another think coming. Doesn’t matter which one wins, everything will be divided down party lines just it has been for the past 16 years. Neither Trump nor Clinton have the ability to bring the two parties to a table and get them to agree on anything. I don’t know of anyone at this time who can heal the political wound that this country has. It would take someone like JFK or Reagan to do that and politicians like that seem to be extinct. Term limits in Congress would go a long way to helping but that will never happen!

    • October 21, 2016 at 1:36 pm
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      Killary will continue to drive this country right off the cliff. Stick a fork in the USA. The fat lady has sung.

      • October 24, 2016 at 4:57 pm
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        Jack, Ron doesn’t think Obama divided the country for the past 8 years. Last time I checked, it wasn’t Trump in office during this time. All he has done is point out the hypocrisy, lying, cheating, graft, corruption that has been going on. It applies to RINO’s as well and they don’t want their gravy train to end either since they are bought and paid for by lobbyists, special interest groups.

        • October 27, 2016 at 10:00 am
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          It was Trump leading the racist birther movement, supported by racist people like you, even years after he revealed his birth certificate. If you think Obama was responsible for dividing the nation you aren’t intelligent.

          This election has been great for you, Agent. You now have a few other insane conservatives in the running for the least informed, dumbest person here.

          • October 27, 2016 at 4:19 pm
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            UW, the champion of division on this blog. How much is the Hilliary campaign paying you to post drivel on this blog? I hear she pays more to guys than women.

            By the way, good old dufus Biden said just today that “lazy” women should be put back to work and Hilliary will make them work.

          • October 27, 2016 at 4:40 pm
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            You’re regurgitating lies again.

            He NEVER said anything about women being lazy.

            Just that some women can’t afford to go back to work because of the high cost of childcare.

            Please watch the video before you reply on this topic because clearly you haven’t watched it yet — if you did, you’d know he never said what you claim he did.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QC5-2cwjcU&feature=youtu.be

          • October 27, 2016 at 5:12 pm
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            Nope. The explosion of black lives matters protests came before Trump.

            And Then Obama and others have made massive public unrest, and have even admitted to trying to do as such.

            People are triggered attacking Trump supporters, and we had all sorts of public statements intentionally stated to divide, while appearing to be unifying. Basically saying “there is racism there, racism here, racism everywhere! Fight the overt racism! The racists who are racists when they say facts you don’t like! Fight! They need to all die!”.

            While I’m paraphrasing, you have bought into this, and have even nearly said my paraphrases.

            You are evidence that Obama has divided the country.

            The schools charging security fees of $6,000 just before a republican presentation that was not originally part of the fees, shutting down debates because hate speech (and it was not bad speech) could endanger the safety of students when talking about blm issues, or any dissenting opinions from the left, the protests on campus and physical attacks,

            This is all new since Obama, or it has been getting worse. When I graduated this was not occurring. Then something sinister occurred. The leftists started flexing their divisive muscles in the academia, lying and misleading about racism to make it still exist in the public eye, or to claim it has gotten worse.

            They created a shadow, a darkness to fight, and labeled the owners as the far right, and religions, and then fights started with those groups as well.

            They divided, made new oppressed groups, riled those groups up, and did it again until now, everyone wants to be a part of an oppressed group and is saying everyone else is the problem for not admitting to racism.

            It’s insane.

            Trump didn’t do this, and would never have this affect.

    • October 21, 2016 at 6:41 pm
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      The only thing that will decrease the partisanship on the country is the mainly older conservatives dying off as they continue to age. The sides have fundamentally different philosophies that cannot be reconciled. Liberals believe in science, but conservatives large deny climate change, evolution, etc. Liberals believe in an open, multicultural society, conservatives largely believe in a closed, Christian, society.

      The Republican Party is completely falling apart and cannot bring themselves together but still whine incessantly about Obama not bringing the country together despite his policies largely being centrist, corporate policies. They live in a fantasy world dominated by conspiracy theories, paranoia and stupidity, it would be terrible to actually try to embrace their beliefs and policies in the spirit of getting along.

      • October 21, 2016 at 7:31 pm
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        “The only thing that will decrease the partisanship on the country is the mainly older conservatives dying off as they continue to age.”

        This is actually a form of prejudice. You actually, literally, just said something bigoted. Also, divisive. To decrease partisanship you have to have people gone or dead? Yeah, no.

        “The sides have fundamentally different philosophies that cannot be reconciled. ”

        Technically true, I agree. But again, with regards to stopping partisanship, that doesn’t matter. This encourages partisanship.

        “Liberals believe in science, but conservatives large deny climate change, evolution, etc.”

        BULL, on all accounts.

        “Liberals believe in an open, multicultural society, conservatives largely believe in a closed, Christian, society. ”

        WRONG. Liberals advocated segregation and slavery in the past. Being open minded is subjective. Note I didn’t say all liberals, by the way, and this time it was intentional.

        You are a regressive thinker. Being conservative does not make me any of the things you just said. In fact, what you just said is bigoted, and is not inside of reality with data.

        “The Republican Party is completely falling apart and cannot bring themselves together but still whine incessantly about Obama not bringing the country together despite his policies largely being centrist, corporate policies. ”

        They don’t like that he has constantly lied about there being “no” plans, when there are simply other ones he doesn’t like. That is divisive, and it’s lying.

        “They live in a fantasy world dominated by conspiracy theories, paranoia and stupidity, it would be terrible to actually try to embrace their beliefs and policies in the spirit of getting along.”

        Bigoted, for one, for two you are not in the spirit of getting along yourself, and for three, if anyone believes in conspiracy theories, it is you.

        • October 24, 2016 at 2:24 am
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          “This is actually a form of prejudice. You actually, literally, just said something bigoted. Also, divisive. To decrease partisanship you have to have people gone or dead? Yeah, no.”

          No, you stupid fuck, it is a fact. Again, for the love of God, stop using the terms prejudice and bigoted, you don’t know what they mean. Stop analyzing politics, you don’t even know the absolute basics. You couldn’t pass a high school political science exam.

          http://www.gallup.com/poll/172439/party-identification-varies-widely-across-age-spectrum.aspx

          “To decrease partisanship you have to have people gone or dead? Yeah, no.”

          No, you illiterate moron. The partisanship will remain, because about 1/3 of the country is almost mentally disabled–like you–and incapable of reading or complex thought. They are theocrats and authoritarians who don’t believe in science, and want to block everything possible. That won’t stop until that particular cohort is gone. Most of those are older, because conservatives tend to be older. They won’t ever change their mind, they are literally incapable of it, or they wouldn’t be this type of conservative in the first place.

          ” But again, with regards to stopping partisanship, that doesn’t matter. This encourages partisanship.”

          You are as partisan as anybody so stop ranting on this, it makes you look like a bigger idiot. It’s just like your idiotic rants about the biggest problem in the US being the PC culture, and then losing your mind to the point where multiple people have asked you to get mental help when I stop being PC towards you.

          “WRONG. Liberals advocated segregation and slavery in the past. Being open minded is subjective. Note I didn’t say all liberals, by the way, and this time it was intentional.”

          BS you ignorant piece of shit. Writing this over and over doesn’t change it. Conservatives have elected an obvious, outright racist, not liberals. Conservatives fought against all advances for colored people in this country, and sadly we had to have a war to end slavery, supported by conservatives.

          “Being conservative does not make me any of the things you just said.”

          No, you are right, it doesn’t. But your positions do; you are racist towards Arabs (ban them), Blacks (they “train their kids to disobey police), Muslims (ban and torture them), and I could safely bet other groups. You don’t believe in science (the thousands of papers and consensus is wrong, BS blogs are right) as you have stated over and over with you varying forms of denial about climate change until very recently. You are an authoritarian and support torturing and killing innocent people.

          “Bigoted, for one, for two you are not in the spirit of getting along yourself, and for three, if anyone believes in conspiracy theories, it is you.”

          Again, completely incompetent, and uneducated on even the basics. Conservatives overwhelmingly tend to believe in conspiracy theories more than liberals. Obama birth certificate, Jade Helm, Benghazi!!!!!!!!, skewed polls, chemtrails, Clinton’s pneumonia, Travelgate, Vince Foster was killed, Killary, Obama is a secret Muslim, climate change is fake and scientists are lying to make money, ACORN is stealing elections, and on and on forever.

          The “spirit of getting along” is something dumb people say, and means nothing. No, I do not want to get along with people who want to torture and kill innocent people, like you want, or racists like you who justify killing a 12 year-old kid within 2 seconds by saying he was probably trained by his parents.

          You are allllll about getting along, and don’t want partisanship, but you supported not voting on Obama’s supreme court nomination, an unprecedented act. You are an uninformed, uneducated, hypocritical clown. 100% pseudo-intellectual joke.

        • October 24, 2016 at 2:26 am
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          Here is a basic rundown for you to pretend you read and lie about of a good article on conservatives and conspiracy theories by Miller & Saunders, which you wouldn’t understand.

          http://www.vox.com/2015/12/10/9886222/conspiracy-theories-right-wing

          • October 24, 2016 at 11:12 pm
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            Bob knows nothing, he’s a far right fascist who knows enough to sound smart to people who don’t know better. To paraphrase a famous economist, he is what dumb people think smart people sound like. Total fraud with fake Paul Ryan math.

          • October 25, 2016 at 7:15 pm
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            I know nothing eh? Just like you knew about the convictions on campus and I proved you wrong.

            UW, you’re going to have to do better than one liners and tabloid style politics, while suggesting that Trump is causing racism, and that basically in order to defeat racism old people have to die.

            What you inadvertently said here, was all people you perceive as racist must die, because Trump will cause racism, and you can’t stop racism, unless all those people die.

            This is some Hitler level bigotry.

            The reason I don’t debate much with you is basically 2 things:

            1. It’s too easy to win, and you just pretend I’m an idiot. That doesn’t help me get better with debates. You don’t break down your sources properly so I get nothing out of the debate in terms of self progression and new knowledge.

            2. You ARE a neo Nazi. You accuse others of it, but to debate with someone as insane as you would reflect on my self worth.

          • October 26, 2016 at 12:00 am
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            More insane rants from Bob. You didn’t prove anything about convictions on campus, you said you use convictions a different way. Yes, if you redefine words you were right. But that’s idiotic, and not at all consistent with how you were using the word. You still think stating something makes it fact, just like when you said Trump did not plan on deporting citizens, or killing the families of terrorists. You are an absolute imbecile.

            You didn’t debate, because you can’t. Every single debate is exactly the same. You say something idiotic you copied directly from Drudge or Fox. I put forward an actual fact. You create numbers. I show they don’t add up, and you go on a 10000 word rant.

            I am not a neo-Nazi. Again, you fucking imbecile, that is an actual term, with actual definitions. You constantly say I am too far left, and then label me a right-wing term. Please get a 12th grade education you pseudo-intellectual moron.

            Or, go grab a woman by the pussy, which you claim isn’t sexual assault, but just “getting some” which you stated many of the finest men you know do, so it isn’t sexual assault.

          • October 26, 2016 at 6:58 pm
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            “More insane rants from Bob. You didn’t prove anything about convictions on campus, you said you use convictions a different way. Yes, if you redefine words you were right. But that’s idiotic, and not at all consistent with how you were using the word.”

            Nope. The source I used, used the same word conviction. The only reason I said I used the wrong word, was YOUR perception of the word. You linked convictions to only criminal cases, whereas convictions is the terminology for Colleges. Did you read that link? It said the correct terminology was conviction. So…You’re wrong here. But moving on.

            “You still think stating something makes it fact, just like when you said Trump did not plan on deporting citizens, or killing the families of terrorists. You are an absolute imbecile.”

            And I backed that up. You didn’t. He never used the word kill, you still refuse to acknowledge that even Trump said in public that was not what he meant by going after the families.

            You didn’t debate, because you can’t. Every single debate is exactly the same. You say something idiotic you copied directly from Drudge or Fox. I put forward an actual fact. You create numbers. I show they don’t add up, and you go on a 10000 word rant.”

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I have never source quoted Fox as a means, these are my own ideas. Then go ahead, on any topic here go ahead and do what you’re claiming you do, and show an example of me doing what you said I do. Can’t do it? Shut the hell up then!

            “I am not a neo-Nazi”

            Yes you are. You advocated for the death of all racists, and you argue here black and white to the degree of class warefare that neo nazis did. Go look at the speech from Adolph’s campaign pr. When they won he said he would stop the greedy Jewish bankers who destroyed the middle class. It sounds exactly like democrats with only one word added “Jew”. You don’t believe there is another side, only people you label as sub human as did neo nazis, and the very fact you think I don’t debate, shows you are a neo nazi. I use facts. And you spiral out of control.

            “Again, you fucking imbecile, that is an actual term, with actual definitions.”

            Ah, yes it is. Neo Nazi is not a far right term. Your side and leftists have tried to make it that, and determine that Fascism is a far right element too. I’m using the term for effect right now. If you can’t handle that, don’t debate. This particular term I’m using it properly, you don’t get to suddenly say I’m not. You also said “again” which means you are referring to it in the first point with regards to the legal term I used before, which you were incorrect regarding. Just saying UW, you’re not making your case if you weren’t right in the first example to begin with! Too easy kid! Now I’ve got you swearing??? So cute!

            “You constantly say I am too far left, and then label me a right-wing term. Please get a 12th grade education you pseudo-intellectual moron.”

            Hahaha, I used the term properly, stop trying to imply anyone who says you are far left with their own hyperbole is a 12th grade education fool. Want to talk laws? I have. What 12th grader have you seen source quote like me? No one else here does. Are they all 5th grade? Give me a measure by how you measure that I’m 12th grade level intelligence? Perhaps I am engaging in sarcasm and am doing what you’re doing to me with that statement in order to show how immature it is? Perhaps your IQ is too low to get that…Perhaps.

            “Or, go grab a woman by the pussy, which you claim isn’t sexual assault,”

            Going to cut you off, I never said that, and this is literal libel. Do you want me to report you? Don’t twist my words. I said that what Trump said, was not describing sexual assault and did not imply he grabbed women by the pussy without consent. You fabricated that.

            “but just “getting some” which you stated many of the finest men you know do, so it isn’t sexual assault.”

            That was not my logic, dumb ass, and I’m not going to repeat my logic again, but you’re trying to force me. You know what you’re doing. That’s why I suspect you are an actual campaign paid staffer. Your goal is to have me not point out you’re lying again. There is no way you don’t remember how I said this, you need me to look crazy and you know I either have to respond or appear a sexual assault supporter. And when I respond you will derail again.

            So here we go:

            What I said was that several men I know had sex, and then later bragged about how they could have any woman they want, about grabbing an ass, so to speak. There was no level of rape or assault. I compared how it was not sexual assault, and how everyone, kisses, makes out, moves forward, and has sex, and some brag about it.

            Nothing about saying “and they let you” which implies consent, when you brag and be vulgar, implies sexual assault.

            You are the one claiming sexual assault with no grounds.

            Which campaign UW, Bernie or Hillary?

          • October 26, 2016 at 7:08 pm
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            You’re only harming yourself UW. Check out my likes, ;-)

            Do you really think I’m failing as badly as you think I am?

            Go ask confused what he thinks as to whether you are winning this debate against me, and whether he thinks you have mad an intelligent point.

            He already mentioned you. Confused argues with me. He wouldn’t have a reason to be biased.

            Go ahead, keep saying I’m being like a 12th grader. Keep saying I don’t know facts. Keep saying I support sexual assault. Keep saying leftist tar. See where it get you.

  • October 21, 2016 at 1:34 pm
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    The only fix is the garbage can. Get rid of it completely.

    • October 21, 2016 at 4:23 pm
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      FFA, the good news is that your Cubbies are getting close to that coveted World Series ring. Beat Kershaw and you are in the series.

      • October 21, 2016 at 10:17 pm
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        Agent, ever think of a new name, something close to mine, like Captain Obvious? Maybe you could do hotel website commercials.

        • October 24, 2016 at 3:08 pm
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          I suppose you didn’t get the email from IJ on knocking off the personal insults. Must have sailed right over your head.

    • October 27, 2016 at 4:21 pm
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      Bob, you are correct about UW. He is a paid blogger of the Hilliary campaign.

  • October 21, 2016 at 1:35 pm
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    ““Maybe now that I’m leaving office, maybe Republicans can stop with the 60-something repeal votes they’ve taken and stop pretending that they have a serious alternative ”

    They aren’t pretending. But you are finally revealing to the public how much of a divider you are.

    They had several good plans.

    And you speak like a jock to the public. Pathetic.

    • October 21, 2016 at 2:08 pm
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      Hahahahaha Having fun there triggered democrats, disliking my post?

      What Obama did was disgusting and jock like. If my phrase upsets you, analyze what you here say about republicans.

  • October 21, 2016 at 1:53 pm
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    Hi Bob:

    You say that the Republicans had several good plans to replace “Obamacare”. I’m very pleased to hear that. Can you share the House or Senate Bill #s where these good plans were presented to Congress to debate and vote on?

    Given that the House and Senate have been controlled by the Republicans for several sessions, it should have been easy for them to pass one of these alternative, better plans. Yet, I don’t remember that happening. Any detail you can provide on these plans would be appreciated.

    • October 21, 2016 at 1:57 pm
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      OBama would have never agreed to anything regarding a Republican plan to fix or replace. Never. Not sure who your trying to kid.

      • October 21, 2016 at 2:13 pm
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        So, what you’re saying is, instead of presenting a good well thought out plan to replace “Obamacare”, thus sharing it with the public and forcing the Democrats and Obama to respond, the Republicans instead came to the conclusion that these excellent plans should be kept secret and they should move forward with 60 something repeal votes, all with no chance of being enacted.

        Great plan.

        • October 21, 2016 at 2:16 pm
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          No. He did not say that. He said that the democrats would not agree to anything that republicans suggested.

          At the time, he blocked all their efforts. He even said the famous “you ride in the back” phrase to them, very shortly after winning office.

          Something CNN did not even report on, so I have to instead quote Fox News or the Blaze.

          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/25/obama-tells-republicans-sit.html

        • October 21, 2016 at 2:18 pm
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          The same CNN that reported on the Assange wiki leaks for Bush W,

          http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/29/bush.facebook/

        • October 21, 2016 at 2:18 pm
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          And then warned viewers it was illegal to look into wiki leaks for Hillary.

          https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161019/07004935835/cnn-tells-viewers-illegal-them-to-read-wikileaks-document-dumps-cnn-is-wrong.shtml

          I guess it’s good when they can use it, but bad when it comes back to bite them right?

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:26 pm
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            Bob, the thing that makes the Dimwits the maddest is when they get caught. How dare anyone hack the DNC or anyone else on the left? Invasion of privacy to reveal all their bad deeds?

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:28 pm
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            Did you see what they said about James O’keefe?

            They said he was proven discredited on CNN, and a charged criminal.

            Do you know what he was charged with? For impersonating a window washer to be able to get coverage. That isn’t the type of crime that shows he is fabricating evidence.

            These morons are out of control.

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:33 pm
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            Also, the DNC said they are going to try and proceed with criminal charges. Did you see that? They said it was concerning, but that he was a criminal and would charge him. That’s a public threat!

            Like these fancy words will do away with what the democrats actually did that was wrong.

            Such amazing twist. And young people are falling for it. How indoctrinated are our children and will mine be?

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:41 pm
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            Apparently it’s okay with bob that Agent call Democrats Dimwits. Now I never want to hear him complain when Republicans are called names too. It’d be quite hypocritical of you if you did.

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:50 pm
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            “Apparently it’s okay with bob that Agent call Democrats Dimwits. Now I never want to hear him complain when Republicans are called names too. It’d be quite hypocritical of you if you did.”

            Did I just say I was ok with that or did I simply ignore the insult?

            Also, did I not inform you there are different forms of ridicule and insults?

            If he made the fact about dimwits, like UW here tries to say I’m a dimwit and therefore my facts are wrong, then it is not ok.

            If they call someone a dimwit to ridicule an actual fact that is wrong, it is not wrong. So Agent just called people dimwits because they are saying how dare someone hack the DNC instead of focusing on the bad deeds. That isn’t out of line. I have told you this before, and you only just entered into this conversation as a means to discredit my ability to defend myself in the future. Look at your comment, that’s what you just did.

            What you’re doing is pc style of policing of speech, and it isn’t for the good of fact convergence, or for the good of people to defend themselves (as you just tried to take away my ability to defend myself). It’s quite sickening and despicable, and the eiptome of what is wrong with this nation.

            You’re talking to quite a man, if it isn’t obvious yet by how much I just decimated your post so easily. Grow up Confused.

            You can apologize now. Or continue being a dim wit, to borrow Agent’s phrase ;-)

            Nitwit.

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:52 pm
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            Hahahaha, this gets so much easier with time.

            Love it Confused.

            Debate properly and you’re sure to get a “moderate” participating in totalitarian type of policing.

            I love you Confused. People like you will be what saves us, not due to facts, but because your parents will be shocked into reality, and your children will see through this.

          • October 21, 2016 at 5:03 pm
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            “Apparently it’s okay with bob that Agent call Democrats Dimwits. Now I never want to hear him complain when Republicans are called names too. It’d be quite hypocritical of you if you did.”

            Also, another comment:

            This man is about to be assaulted and criminally charged PUTIN style for giving the information knowledge about the corruption in the democrats campaigning.

            And you focus on how people talk, just like every totalitarian nation, the first or second thing to go is free speech. The other, is the 2nd amendment.

            And when we find evidence the media is playing favorites, and there is massive corruption, we need these people.

          • October 21, 2016 at 5:52 pm
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            Have you noticed the change yet Confused?

            Something recently changed with me. Others have remained somewhat static, but my level of detail has exploded.

            It is because my level of research has done nothing but increase over the years.

            Suddenly I’m showing the bills online, I’m showing that Reagan’s spending bill was sponsored by a democrat, and I’m showing the bills that the CBO commented on which were his actual proposals, I’m explaining how those bills get debated, who starts them, who blocks them, who got what they wanted, and who didn’t, and how.

            I am leaving no more wiggle room for the lot of you here!

            Unlike those on the left here who keep on saying ignorant false equivalency commentary, or facts without thorough reasoning, or reasoning without thorough facts, I have my crap in order.

            It is very evident.

            Why?

            It’s not just that I personally want to be better (which I do) it is also that the public has demanded this standard from republicans in the younger crowd for some time. You are scoffed as an idiot right off the bat if you say something considered right wing, whereas you are excused as a slightly incorrect but in the right state of mind for saying things too far left.

            That created me.

            The bad actions of the left and the indoctrination created me.

            I am evidence tantamount to it’s existence and I am evidence tantamount to the reason it must be stopped.

            My uniqueness, and surely you must realize I am one of the only truly unique in my age group in politics, is necessitated.

          • October 24, 2016 at 12:46 pm
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            Lyin’Bob, as always lying …. to rationalize right wingers, or brutally uninformed.

            He was charged and convicted of going into a Senator’s office and attempting to tap her phones. But, you think he was just standing pretending to be a window washer. Just abject stupidity in everything you type, 100% divorced from reality. He also tried to seduce a woman and record it in order to blackmail her. Since you are a person who openly justifies sexual assault, I’m sure you see no problem with this, but it’s also a felony. He has also released videos where people explain something illegal, say why they wouldn’t do it, etc., but he leaves out that part so they look guilty. Is there any far right wing BS you won’t eat up with a spoon?

            CNN was right, he is discredited. He has had multiple videos revealed to be heavily edited and put out pretending to show the exact opposite of what happened. But he’s a right wing piece of garbage, so you support him. If you believe any of the BS in these tapes, which you do 100%,you are a fool.

          • October 24, 2016 at 11:13 pm
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            Are you serious, James O’Keefe?

          • October 25, 2016 at 7:11 pm
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            “Are you serious, James O’Keefe?”

            Again, focusing on the character of someone else instead of the proven inciting of violence from democrats.

            You’re going to have to do more than one liner people ACTU.

            Or is that all you can say, unlike me? One liners?

            I don’t try much with you and UW because of how stupid you are, and how you add so little to the conversation.

          • October 26, 2016 at 12:04 am
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            “Again, focusing on the character of someone else instead of the proven inciting of violence from democrats.”

            Lying Bob. Again, just clueless about everything. He has not “proven” anything, aside from your definition, which is anything published on a right-wing site is true. He has repeatedly been proven to cut video in ways that are outright false. But, you believe everything he says. You also believe everything the people in the video say, as if they couldn’t be lying.

            Again, you are 100% a hypocrite, because dozens of accusations against Trump, exactly matching what he says he does don’t even come close to being true, and shouldn’t even be discussed, but a noted, consistent, proven liar who went to jail for exactly this type of work is taken as 100% true, because it matches what you believe. If this was used in your alleged rape accusation you would be in jail now.

            You are total garbage and going 100% off the rails lately.

          • October 26, 2016 at 2:56 pm
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            “Lying Bob. Again, just clueless about everything. He has not “proven” anything, aside from your definition, which is anything published on a right-wing site is true.”

            Back up your comments, and stop labeling partisan style attacks. Whether a site has bias to the left or right doesn’t dismiss it. I use mostly liberal left sites as sources due to this.

            “He has repeatedly been proven to cut video in ways that are outright false.”

            Have you watched the current video? There is no way this could have been cut to say what they said. The democrats did incite violence.

            “But, you believe everything he says.”

            I believe it when I hear people taking about inciting violence. The cut isn’t anything to do with it. And instead you try to say he cuts it to sound different. First, so does MSN, CNN, and the others. Second: Then point out an actual cut that is wrong, instead of blanket discrediting. You are a fool, this is too easy to stop you in your tracks because you don’t provide evidence.

            “You also believe everything the people in the video say, as if they couldn’t be lying.”

            Why would these democrats lie about what they have done, and how would they remember if it was something that didn’t get a lot of attention. I pay a lot of attention to these things, the guy that had his sign grabbed? That was a small event, and the democrat quoted it himself. This wouldn’t be on the top of your head to lie about, and why would you lie saying you incited violence if you didn’t???

            “Again, you are 100% a hypocrite, because dozens of accusations against Trump, exactly matching what he says he does don’t even come close to being true,”

            FALSE EQUIVALENCY. THIS IS VIDEO EVIDENCE. I do not have to treat all allegations the same! The amount of evidence is the differentiating factor.

            “and shouldn’t even be discussed, but a noted, consistent, proven liar who went to jail for exactly this type of work is taken as 100% true, because it matches what you believe. If this was used in your alleged rape accusation you would be in jail now.”

            This is blanket assaults vs proven individual events. You can’t say he’s proven to be a consistent liar, and therefore that means he did the sexual assault. I would be in jail for what precisely? You aren’t even making sense, you trash.

            “You are total garbage and going 100% off the rails lately.”

            No, that’s you. Try again baby boy. Yeah, don’t like being called a baby? Then act like an adult.

          • October 26, 2016 at 2:59 pm
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            You are used to this on the left, because it has been the battle tactics of the left,

            Dehumanize, degrade, attack, and then get others to label the type of person you’re debating with instead of using facts.

            However, in debate that isn’t how it works. It is on you to prove your points, not me. You have given no evidence of what you say.

            Back up your claims. What cut was misrepresented by James O’keefe? What in the video is a lie?

            Show me evidence.

            The video spoke for itself. These people admitted what they did.

          • October 26, 2016 at 5:09 pm
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            Also,

            These dozens of accusations matching what a leak says he said, coming out at the same time, is huge evidence that they are fake.

            Trump also ran in the past. They didn’t take him seriously and these accusations didn’t come out. Now they come just after a debate, in which Anderson Cooper says he assaulted women, and CNN gives massive coverage to it while they didn’t give any coverage to the woman who claimed Bill Clinton raped her?

            I’m inclined to see this as media bias, and to see these allegations coming out timed like this as a coordinated attack rather than valid allegations.

            You have no reason to believe these allegations, and trying to say he has spoken in such a way that matches up with allegations is insane.

            He spoke like a rapist, is that your argument now?

            That’s not how we work in the legal world, we require evidence not your kangaroo court crud.

            We have actual evidence of officials saying they did in fact incite violence and they said how, and quoted events that are on T.V that they conspired to make happen.

            In Trump’s case we have him saying essentially women let him grope them and he loves kissing women.

            That is not at all the same thing. Not at all.

          • October 27, 2016 at 5:17 pm
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            ““He has repeatedly been proven to cut video in ways that are outright false.””

            Waiting for evidence on this one UW. Show me. Don’t tell me like a snot nosed brat. Show me. Make your points. If you can’t that isn’t my problem.

            How did you know about James O’keefe and that he “repeatedly has been proven to cut video in ways that are outright false”?

            He has only come into the spotlight once before. You know this because the left told you the narrative and you believed it, the reason you cannot source quote the facts, is because you only ever heard a narrative.

            That is how you leftists work, and you claim the right does.

            Prove me wrong.

            Show me incidences. Show me where he has made something false appear true with a video cut.

            Show me one, and prove it.

            Can you? This is a reasonable request. Are you going to scoff that off and call me Timothy McVeigh again?

            You little crazy brat?

        • October 21, 2016 at 2:23 pm
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          What is more concerning, is we have evidence that democrats are literally in league with these media officials.

          So when people talk about democrats eliminating a proposal’s credibility in public, they do it all the time and we have proof of it.

          The democrats are playing a dangerous game of indoctrination, and lying about people presenting plans.

          They recently said republicans wanted terrorists to have guns for not passing their bill. The thing is, republicans also had a bill regarding background checks for potential terrorists.

          The same tactic was taken, have the media destroy their plans in the eyes of the public, shame them, say they want terrorists to have guns, say there are no plans, and then divide the public.

          This has happened with BLM, Gun control, the ACA, and the discrimination bill in WA state when republicans said they will pass the plan if it had two amendments:

          The people would vote on it and the governor didn’t just get to decide,

          And it would not be criminal liability to express a religious belief about gay behavior.

          You can now be put in jail for putting for example: “Gay marriage is not allowed in the bible” on your facebook.

          The democrats went in public saying that they wouldn’t pass gay rights. It was a lie. They created division yet again.

          They are in the business of doing this. They infiltrate colleges and indoctrinate kids. Protests are happening, shut down of debates, outright lies and misleading about statistics, this is an outright Marxist revolution going on. You would do well to research it more. Because we need to fight it.

          • October 21, 2016 at 2:32 pm
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            First, I wish I could type half as fast as you.

            Second, you do realize that all I asked for was some bill numbers, right? If you have any, I still would appreciate it.

          • October 21, 2016 at 2:44 pm
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            I type well over a 100, I’ll take that as a compliment.

            I already gave you the plans. You may feel free to research them more on your own. I can’t put this much into your mind.

            Consider the following: What if I’m right?

            Go look into it more. If I am, we have a serious problem, and children are definitely falling for it more and more.

            We need to be active. And this might be why republicans in both politics, and in society are fighting hardcore. Not because of some hatred of Obama that is unfounded, but because of real tyranny. No one stops to think about this, and the fact is we should always assume tyranny, or it will arise without our knowledge.

            That is what made our founding fathers great, our ancestors great after them, and we have lost it. The new generation doesn’t question these people, they question who talks more pc.

          • October 21, 2016 at 2:52 pm
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            Wish I could too.

          • October 21, 2016 at 5:07 pm
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            By the way if you didn’t catch it:

            The bill names were gone over in my last link. Even though I said I wouldn’t find them for you since what you’re really doing is dishonest. You aren’t actually looking for bills. You’re trying to say the republicans aren’t trying to pass bills. It’s a sleazy way to argue.

            But, the names are:

            Patients Choice Act of 2009
            Health Care Freedom Plan
            Empowering Patients First Act

            The most recent bill to be suggested is funny.

            It’s called:

            The World’s Greatest Healthcare Plan Act of 2016.

            You now have 4 bills.

          • October 21, 2016 at 5:13 pm
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            In fact, here is the outline of the one I like the most.

            You know, the one you say they didn’t sell to the public, which the media did in fact report on, and which they did in fact discredit, and which you falsely said they would have to say it was good if it was, and the one that would lower premiums by 20% compared to Obama’s:

            https://paulryan.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pcasummary2p.pdf

            In particular highlighting:

            Providing an advanceable and refundable tax cred
            it of $2,300 per individual or $5,700 per family


            Allowing preventative services to be covered by High Deductible Health Plans (Something Obama later said the republicans were not addressing and so did the media)

            Creates a non profit, independent board to risk adjust among participating insurance companies to penalize
            companies that “cherry pick” health patients and reward
            insurers that encourage prevention/wellness and cover
            patients with pre existing conditions (Incentive for preventative services, not just coverage, and these non profit people would unlike government be incentivized to do a good job and would not just be bureaucrats)

            “Protects the most vulnerable Americans to ensure that
            no individual would be turned down by a participating
            Exchange insurers based on age or health ”

            You should look up Paul Ryan’s plans more. Obama constantly calls him the most extreme person ever, and there is a reason why.

            He wants to destroy credible plans.

          • October 21, 2016 at 5:16 pm
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            “Requiring wealthy Medicare beneficiaries to contribute
            a little more for their care under Medicare Part D ”

            The horrors of the republicans being pro rich.

          • October 21, 2016 at 5:28 pm
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            I mean like holy hell I just don’t know about this plan because it was like totally never presented seriously, and like omg’s the republicans didn’t even try to tell me this! I’m going to blame them now for this! Totes magoates amirite J.S.? Amirite???? That’s all I see when you speak. A bunch of childish phrases about how everyone else is at fault, even though the republicans had good plans.

            Now I did actually see this play out. If what you say is true, that the media should just cover a good plan, then it would have played out. It didn’t.

            What instead happened was a flurry of attacks, ignoring, calling the republican plans bad, lies, spin, saying that less people would be covered, (even though by choice, even though there would be less taxes, less deficits, and less premiums) and derailing by the left.

            We already saw this happen.

            So now let’s do math:

            The bill gives $2,300 of a deduction for single filers and $5,700 for a family. This might not sound like much, but its at least $570 for a family, and $855 for a 15% filer.

            And the lower cost of $1,750 per family is then added in, and we have $2,605 worth of relief while the economy isn’t held back and thus income can grow and so can jobs. The average family received $3,300 of assistance from the government help paying 4.7 billion.

            http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/06/18/Average-Obamacare-Subsidy-3312-Paid-Date-47-Billion

            There isn’t much of a difference here except in economic output. The republican plan was by the numbers better.

            If the democrats wanted more assistance they could have even done that.

          • October 21, 2016 at 5:43 pm
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            Bob, just a few weeks back, you were still trying to be nice to Confused hoping to win him over with your posts. I told you months ago you were trying in vain and you wouldn’t listen to me. People like him are so mired in their liberal dogma, they can’t be won over. Trust me on this.

          • October 21, 2016 at 5:56 pm
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            If he isn’t salvageable then I’m not here for him.

            I’m here to make leftist ideals look as ignorant as they are, to show what true research looks like, and for the left to be revealed for what they are in public.

            The facts are self evident. You can’t convert the world, but you reveal the ones who mislead as the fools they are whenever they try to spread their lies.

            And then those who see it will eventually say, what the heck is going on?

            I’ve been watching videos of people who have changed and it was seeing things like this act out in the public.

          • October 27, 2016 at 11:04 am
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            You are so insane you could be a danger to society. Your writings are exactly life other people like McVeigh or Rudolph.

            Somebody might think you need to be taken out. I really hope you aren’t around people like that Bob.

          • October 27, 2016 at 1:21 pm
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            “You are so insane you could be a danger to society. Your writings are exactly life other people like McVeigh or Rudolph.”

            No. They aren’t. Point out how. Your ramblings however are insane. What about what I put above was insane? It was all true.

            “Somebody might think you need to be taken out. I really hope you aren’t around people like that Bob.”

            Uhhhh….Did you just admit your side is so violent they might react to my “insanity” by killing me?

            Is this for real?

            Agent or deplorables, could you please report him for me? It would be taken more seriously from someone else.

            Confused? Please also get involved here.

            While you are calling me insane like Timothy McVeigh for pointing out political issues, you have just said I might get killed.

            What the hell?

            UW you are free to disagree with me, you’re not free to think I support rape, murdering innocents, and I need to be killed.

            You have made it clear you think conservatives need to die. I have never said anything remotely similar.

            Not once. And that, is Timothy MvVeigh style.

            You are delusional, and triggered by the left.

            You need to seek help.

          • October 27, 2016 at 4:40 pm
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            You are so crazy and worked up right now you can’t read. Stop posting. It clearly says it hopes you aren’t hurt, and the people you hang out with would be other crazy conservatives. Calm down for cryin out loud. Or maybe just get a life, everybody is pretty sick of reading the constant conservative crap you paste from Drudge and reddit. At least a few people call you on your bullshit

          • October 27, 2016 at 5:22 pm
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            “You are so crazy and worked up right now you can’t read.”

            You view me calling you out as crazy and worked up, but you call me a sexual assault reporter. I respond to your crazy responses and thus I’m worked up? I have been mild at best considering your absurd, literally insane, accusations.

            “Stop posting.”

            How about no?

            “It clearly says it hopes you aren’t hurt, and the people you hang out with would be other crazy conservatives. Calm down for cryin out loud.”

            No. It clearly says my words are so extreme they could land me killed, and only someone who relates to that, could EVER say it!

            “Or maybe just get a life, everybody is pretty sick of reading the constant conservative crap you paste from Drudge and reddit.”

            Association linking again, you realize this is how bigots operate and shame? They don’t shame individual aspects, they shame groups. Do you not get that? And if you want to make an accusation like that, about drudge and reddit without being bigoted, then show what I took from them. One item. I’ll wait. Or is it that you group me in with them because you perceive they say what I say? Which is grouping, and how bigotry works. It is for a fact how you guys operate, group, divide, conquer.

            “At least a few people call you on your bullshit”

            Oh really? What bullshit have I successfully been called on? At this point we keep going in circles.

            I say facts, you say racist bigoted crap, and say I’m immoral garbage who should never speak,

            You don’t direct my facts or questions, you ask loaded ones to paint me out as a sexual assault abuser, and then you say I’m just mad you called me out on my bullshit, while saying I could end up killed?

            Is that about right ACTU? Please correct me where I have said things incorrectly.

            If you can’t, then look inward. This is old.

            You have serious issues. I quote laws, I quote numbers, and you assault character and groups in each circumstance.

            Address my issues, child.

          • October 27, 2016 at 10:30 pm
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            “Uhhhh….Did you just admit your side is so violent they might react to my “insanity” by killing me?

            Is this for real?”

            I was actually making a point. I want no harm to come to you. But, this is exactly what Trump said, and you claim he was not talking about killing terrorists, when he used the exact words but in an even harsher manner.

            I will take on some of this other insane bullshit ranting you are doing, but from now on don’t ever say Trump wasn’t talking about killing innocent families of alleged terrorists, because he was, and when you aren’t fed lines explicitly recited by right-wing outlets you don’t even recognize it, and cannot respond consistently. Everything you write is a lie or based on false information.

            As for Ryan’s bill, I cannot cite how government works for you, nor will I go and show you the basics you would know if you looked into the bill for 5 seconds beyond what you read on Drudge/Fox. The bill died in committee, a Republican Committee, because the chairman wouldn’t advance it. Learn about government before you demand we change it to fit your insane theocratic philosophy.

            As for the “lie of the year,” it’s BS. It doesn’t “do away” with Medicare only because it keeps the name. Privatizing it is a TOTALLY different plan. IMO it would eventually go totally away, because the vouchers/credits are not tied to health care inflation, only general inflation, and health care inflation is going much more rapidly. People would have massively increased costs already. Again, you are clueless on anything but the right-wing comments on your BS philosophy and sources. Totally, 100% clueless.

            ” this is an outright Marxist revolution going on. ”

            God, STFU lunatic. You don’t have a clue about Marxism. Learn about the US government before you talk Marxism.

          • October 28, 2016 at 4:17 pm
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            Damn, get owned Bob. Talk about a mic drop. I’m sure this won’t count though, because blah blah crazy stuff, Trump never said that, no the video is wrong, no that’s not what he meant. Idiot.

      • October 21, 2016 at 4:06 pm
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        FFA, as I recall, in the famous Blair House meeting, Obama said no thanks, we will do our own law. Arrogantly, he said to get on the back of the bus.

        • October 27, 2016 at 4:29 pm
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          Bob, I have reported several of these trolls many times and they have been sent emails to curb their language, but it bounces right off their heads and they continue. UW is definitely the worst of the trolls, but Planet is not far behind. If someone would give them a frontal lobotomy, perhaps they would be better off and just stare at the walls all day long.

          • October 27, 2016 at 5:23 pm
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            I don’t care about the language.

            I care about the death threat though.

    • October 21, 2016 at 2:06 pm
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      Having a majority does not put you in total control unless you have a super majority which republicans did not.

      http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/cbo-confirms-gop-plan-will-lower-health-care-premiums-lower-deficit-without-tax-hikes

      This is the plan they presented, this is the plan Obama refused to take seriously, this is the plan that the liberal media thrashed saying it wouldn’t cover as many people.

      It would lower the deficit, provide for tax credits for buying insurance, (enough to be equal to Obama’s plan) and compared to the democrat plan reduce costs by 20%. It didn’t require a mandate either.

      The point of the mandate was to lower costs. Not to force people to buy insurance to simply be able to say more people are insured. Any people who would not have been insured by the 2009 republican plan would have been by choice, not by force.

      To say, disingenuously that because this never got to the floor (due to democrats) that the republicans were somehow at fault or that it was not a credible plan, is incredibly misleading and you appear to be rehearsed in doing just that. I have presented this plan every, single, year, since 2009 on this site, and you J.S. have been here at least the last 5 years. This is why I say it is more likely you shaped your words to prepare to say “It was never voted on and republicans were controlling the houses”.

      I’m no fool. And I’m not going to allow you to do it.

      When Obama discredits a good plan, he is going to be held accountable, when people put that good plan forward, the deserve credit, not for some jack to say this!

      “““Maybe now that I’m leaving office, maybe Republicans can stop with the 60-something repeal votes they’ve taken and stop pretending that they have a serious alternative ”

      Do you like this alternative? Because Obama doesn’t think it’s serious.

      Are you going to hold him accountable or not?

      • October 21, 2016 at 2:24 pm
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        When the Republicans had control of both Houses of Congress, why didn’t they reintroduce their plan instead of continuously trying to repeal the ACA?

        The story you included talks about a Republican plan back in 2009, a period of time not included in any of my questions.

        You talk about plans not making it to the floor. OK, please, what were the bill numbers that were filed and referred to Committee?

        • October 21, 2016 at 2:56 pm
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          You didn’t establish your time line. Then are you talking about Bush W now?

          2 things on that:

          1: So now we won’t vote for current good republicans and plans because you want to blame republicans from at this point, over a decade ago.

          2: They did debate plans, and medicare d was passed. It was called one of the largest changes in history. You can’t simultaneously call it a huge expansion of coverage for people, call that a failure (which I disagree, I think part d is a good thing, yes it costs money, but like medicare it has a purpose) and state nothing was done.

        • October 21, 2016 at 3:15 pm
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          Better yet:

          Why didn’t Bill Clinton solve this issue from 1992-1995, before the republican revolution of 1995?

          If you’re going to start that style of debate I can do the same. Why didn’t the democrats who had control for 40 years before the republican revolution of 1995? Why didn’t they during Carter? And why didn’t they fix the unfair tax laws then? Why did JFK lower taxes, and why didn’t he fix this? Why didn’t Lyndon Johnson during his tenure with democrats? Why didn’t the democrats under Reagan, who passed a spending bill that was started by a democrat? It shows he was willing to make concessions on huge things.

          Do you really want to take that route with me? I’ve got a full understanding of this bills. Can you really state you do?

          Do you even know what the republican revolution was? Did you know about the government shut down during Clinton’s admin, and that the republicans tried to block his spending plans, and the surpluses that followed? Clinton was blocked from doing what he wanted, and then he vetoed the heck out of the desired republican plans so neither got what they wanted.

          • October 21, 2016 at 8:51 pm
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            Clinton tried to, with Hillary Car, but as with almost everything the Republicans were obstructionist, which is a huge reason they are turning into a regional minority party that is non-conpetitive in national elections they haven’t been able to gerrymander.

          • October 26, 2016 at 3:39 pm
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            “Clinton tried to, with Hillary Car, but as with almost everything the Republicans were obstructionist, which is a huge reason they are turning into a regional minority party that is non-conpetitive in national elections they haven’t been able to gerrymander”

            When republicans try to stop plans, they are obstructionists, when democrats do, it’s common sense? What is the deciding factor for you UW? Do you know mine?

            For me the deciding factor is whether it is the best plan. If the republicans have a better plan, and present it, then the best plan should win. There is no reason the republicans should support a bad democrat plan.

          • October 26, 2016 at 4:07 pm
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            Also:

            I should note, that the republicans actually took the bill seriously, and Clinton seriously. They actually sponsored a bill with what Clinton wanted, it didn’t go far, but they still did.

            Clinton wanted a bill shaped and in 1993, Senator Chafee sponsored one with a mandate in an attempt to appease Bill Clinton. It actually had 3 democrat senators sponsoring with it.

            https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/senate-bill/1770/cosponsors

            The republicans didn’t like it, and didn’t unify behind it, but Bill Clinton himself also didn’t allow it to move forward.

            Also, just because this had a mandate does not mean it is the same as the ACA. These bills had different methods of bringing down cost. Not all bills that have a mandate are the same.

            So the republicans were not obstructionist. They offered plans as per the president request.

            I will add, the bill that Reagan passed for spending was sponsored by a democrat. Source to come on that, so why didn’t Clinton allow this bill to go forward? It’s a good question. Was he obstructing?

          • October 26, 2016 at 4:10 pm
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            https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/97/hr3982

            The spending bill Reagan finally let through, sponsored by a democrat.

            Ultimately Reagan actually had to work with a democrat congress and Senate.

            You’re pretty much not versed in these bills whatsoever.

            Reagan didn’t get his proposals he wanted.

            Whereas the republicans actually crafted a plan in the image of what Clinton wanted and grabbed 20 senate people who agreed. That is 20% of the Senate UW. Clinton got what he wanted and still wouldn’t let it through.

            Reagan didn’t get what he wanted, non of his significant spending decreases were allowed, and he let it go through.

            Do you see some party differences yet?

          • October 26, 2016 at 4:13 pm
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            Also UW: 17 republican senators sponsored the bill.

            There were only 43 total republican senators. This means that 40% of republicans in office sponsored the bill. I would say that 40% of republicans saying, we will all sponsor this to get a plan passed, is a pretty big movement and is not obstructionist in nature. It is putting a plan out there.

            Now what your side has done, is said these plans don’t exist, and called our side obstructionists, even when they compromise. The right is sick of it, sick of the attacks. Your side started this, as far back as during Reagan and has been running their mouths and pr campaign to indoctrinate since that time frame while basically lying constantly.

            The left needs to go. This needs to end.

          • October 26, 2016 at 4:17 pm
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            This, UW, this is debate. This is showing history, showing bills, showing who supported what.

            This is using numbers, not cliche attacks to label all people at once.

            This is politics as it should be. Want to call me an idiot who is clueless again? Tell me you knew the people voting on these bills, and the bills proposed UW!!!

            Go ahead and lie to me! Hit me baby one more time! You didn’t even know a condition for pre existing conditions existed in the bill I showed you. You pointed that out as a flaw, when I highlighted it in my quotes as part of the bill.

            Go ahead! Call me stupid, you buffoon! You never see people do this, admit it!

            I’m tired of you claiming we are the party of ineptitude, as you don’t source quote anything! You talk in cliches, you have no substance, you don’t use numbers, you engage in as I call it tabloid style attacks, and you do.

            Calling people rapists, sexual assault folks, racist, bigots, and all sorts of things instead of focusing on policy.

            Well by God UW, we will focus on the freaking policies! And if you have a problem with that, put your tail between your legs, and leave debate to the adults! Kiddo!

      • October 21, 2016 at 4:07 pm
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        How would Congress ever have gotten anything through after the “Signature Legislation” was already passed? It is called DOA with Harry Reid.

      • October 21, 2016 at 8:48 pm
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        You insist on using old links that ignore all the information afterwards. This “plan” doesn’t list the actual fictitious loopholes they say they would close, resulting in a massive tax increase which would be done away with in a few years as they were reopened, and it achieves the deficit reduction by cutting insurance to a huge number of people. Again they go back on their don’t get sick, but if you do, die quickly plan.

    • October 21, 2016 at 2:07 pm
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      J.S.,
      Today’s Republican Party doesn’t know how to govern. All they like to do is complain about something, blame EVERYTHING on President Obama, and hope that message resonates with the American voter. Congress has the worst approval rating ever and our President’s keeps rising. You would think they’d get a clue.

      • October 21, 2016 at 2:13 pm
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        When Obama deserves the blame, they gave better options, and they were demonized in public and told to ride in the back, and told they had no credible plans, it’s your side that needs to get a clue.

        The fact that congress has the lowest approval rating is only due to democrat manipulation and misleading of voters who are ignorant like you.

        I source quote here all the time, and show bills. You don’t. You just talked about mic dropping and laughed like it was the best political event ever.

        One liners and jock crap. That is you.

        • October 27, 2016 at 4:33 pm
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          Bob, the last four letters of Democrats is “rats”. The last four of Republican is “ican”. Had enough of the rats and need more of the ican.

          • October 31, 2016 at 1:18 pm
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            You can’t spell Republicans without “rape,” which going by your logic -and I use that term very loosely with you-must explain why you support a serial sexual assaulter who has been accused of rape under oath multiple times.

      • October 24, 2016 at 4:26 pm
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        Censors again:

        J.S.,
        Today’s Republican Party doesn’t know how to govern. All they like to do is complain about something, blame EVERYTHING on President Obama, and hope that message resonates with the American voter. Congress has the worst approval rating ever and our President’s keeps rising. You would think they’d get a clue.

    • October 21, 2016 at 2:11 pm
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      In fact, there were three, I only emphasize the CBO rated plan because people keep acting like they are fake.

      Also, in 2009 the republicans DID NOT have a majority.

      I can’t believe I missed saying that my first post.

      • October 21, 2016 at 2:38 pm
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        http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/republicans-have-offered-three-alternative-health-care-reform-bills

        Missed the link.

        Here it is.

        Note I’m yet again the only person here providing massive source quotes?

        A while back the democrats here used to complain about this. I noticed they have gone silent on it recently. It’s kind of funny to shape discussion as much as I have and then be assaulted as the biggest assault on reason by the left.

        Does anyone here think, who is a moderate, that I am an assault on reason and don’t research? Or I’m an idiot? You’re free to think I’m wrong…But poorly educated…

        You might want to analyze that the left treat all the people who disagree with them like this. Not some. All.

        • October 24, 2016 at 7:34 am
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          @Bob; yes, we see it in the insults posted here by SOME of the libbies, and by the BOT down-votes on a few conservative’s posts that are far greater in volume than the number of participants in these threads and the votes on other posts.

          Liberals fear the facts and the truth.

          • October 25, 2016 at 10:13 am
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            DePolar, there are three things a person cannot always hide from. The sun, the moon and the truth.

      • October 21, 2016 at 4:10 pm
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        Bob, thank you. As I recall, when Obama took office, he had the House with Pelosi, the Senate with Reid and he force fed the worst legislation in history down our throat. The next mid terms were where the rejection began and those voting for this trash were sent packing.

    • October 21, 2016 at 2:36 pm
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      I need to add something here. The average plan is roughly $17,500. We have 158,000,000 people in the work force. There are 330,000,000 Americans. Let’s assume that 80,000,000 of these involve families, of which the average is 3 people, and that the average is $50,000 per these families total household income. Let’s assume they paid the rough average of that 17,500 plan for families, and it could have been 20% cheaper, this on their end saves them $1,750 per year.

      That is 140,000,000 of stimulus so to speak for the economy, which would be spent by the people in all walks of the economy instead of government selected sections. I believe this is a low number.

      This could have had quite an impact by comparison to the democrat plan.

      Also, while the fine collected 1.5 billion in revenue,

      http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/20/irs-more-paid-obamacare-fine-than-expected.html

      If there was $140 billion more flowing revenues to the government, if we consider the standard 16-18% of federal tax collection, (not including state and local) on the low end it would have brought in 22.4 billion dollars.

      By what measure do we figure this ACA is a success compared to the republican plan?

      • October 21, 2016 at 2:40 pm
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        And even if I were wrong, and it was half as many families, it would still be $70 billion in revenues, contributing 11.2 billion in revenues.

        Still better than Obamacare. I don’t really want to look up the numbers right now, but I’ll do so later.

        • October 25, 2016 at 12:02 pm
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          Your are wrong, you always are. Every single mathematical example you give is bullshit fake math. You cannot create a model if you don’t know the basics which you don’t. Most plans charge for only 3 kids regardless of the size of the family, and the out of pocket/deductible for a family plan is usually double a single person plan, not just tripled, quadrupled, etc. Few plans just double when you add a child to them. You aren’t competent, please stop.

          • October 25, 2016 at 8:23 pm
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            “Your are wrong, you always are.”

            If you want to claim me wrong on one item, you may. If you want to say I’m always wrong all I have to do is reference where I’m right once.

            Let’s try a few, I’m right regarding Trump never said he would murder Muslim families, I’m right that there were republican healthcare plans, I’m right regarding college conviction definitions.

            “Every single mathematical example you give is bullshit fake math. You cannot create a model if you don’t know the basics which you don’t. Most plans charge for only 3 kids regardless of the size of the family, and the out of pocket/deductible for a family plan is usually double a single person plan, not just tripled, quadrupled, etc. Few plans just double when you add a child to them. You aren’t competent, please stop.”

            What you just said did not disprove my numbers.

            You went over one thing you THINK I didn’t go over, and then therefore I must be wrong.

            What about the stuff I DID go over?

            Why don’t we go over those numbers? Eh? Moron?

            Please stop using my own brain? Nah. I think I’ll do it more, because using my own numbers that I get from .gov sites gives me well researched numbers, studies that aren’t biased.

            You’re a fool, a tool, and you don’t know half as much as I do with regards to politics, you partisan hack.

            The reason I vote republican is not that I am an ally to the right.

            It is that you, YOU are the face of the left.

            You want more allies? Then seek to be a unifier and not a piece of crap like you currently are.

      • October 21, 2016 at 9:47 pm
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        Again with your made up math instead of looking at the actual studies by actual competent people.

        It is relatively successfully because it has significantly decreased the number of uninsured people, which the Republican “plan” reverses. It has also slowed the increase in premiums compared to what they were projected to do without it. Much of the problem has been Republicans refusing to do things like expand Medicare. It’s not great, but a vast improvement on what we had, and better than the fake Republican plan put out by the fraud Paul Ryan.

        • October 21, 2016 at 10:20 pm
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          They don’t like it because it has mandates (thank you Mitt). And, when they say that word, it makes them think of those icky gays. Man dates.

          • October 24, 2016 at 5:35 pm
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            Ignorant plays on words, and also false equivalency in order to justify a bad plan.

            Good work.

      • October 24, 2016 at 5:34 pm
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        “Again with your made up math instead of looking at the actual studies by actual competent people.”

        It would be called, estimates, not made up math. Cite some studies and let’s talk numbers, not cliché phrases, child.

        “It is relatively successfully because it has significantly decreased the number of uninsured people, which the Republican “plan” reverses.”

        Again, increasing the number of insured people as the ACA does, factually increases the premium the way the ACA does it by 20% in comparison. Having more people insured is SUPPOSED to reduce premiums, but it doesn’t because the democrat plan breaks insurance, increases costs, and has no benefit.

        In the republican plan you can choose to get a plan or not, but everyone, including if those people who didn’t choose to get a plan, got one, would benefit from lower costs.

        “It has also slowed the increase in premiums compared to what they were projected to do without it.”

        Nope. This has happened globally and has to do with markets and factors outside the ACA, I’ve source quoted this before, also, the republican plan would have done this by a degree 20% more, and wouldn’t need new taxes, and wouldn’t increase the deficit, so it was superior in every way.

        “Much of the problem has been Republicans refusing to do things like expand Medicare. It’s not great, but a vast improvement on what we had, and better than the fake Republican plan put out by the fraud Paul Ryan.”

        This is also incorrect. They don’t want to expand Medicare where they can expand private coverage, ergo they would have expanded assistance for private plans, through credits and vouchers. This encourages competition to lower rates and increase efficiency.

        They only want people on Medicare who absolutely have to be.

        • October 25, 2016 at 10:24 am
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          You work on the agency side, right?

          You haven’t even looked into these plans. The supposed savings from the one is mainly by dropping younger people, as confirmed in the CBO link you post 10x a day. This means the insured population is older, and since you don’t understand the term you will call it bigoted, but older people are riskier to insure and costlier to provide medical care. You don’t understand demographics but the US population is aging which is why the private health insurance system was already in a death spiral, or very close to one. Since their plan also eliminated preexisting conditions and has no individual mandate it creates additional incentive for people to hold off on buying insurance until they are sick, again making the pool filled primarily with riskier people and therefore more costly thereby increasing costs. You don’t even seem to understand the basics of insurance, or a single thing discussed while this bill was being created and debated for over a year.

          The tax credits are BS. If you barely make enough money to survive a tax credit will not cover insurance. Your bill leaves millions of people uninsured, which is where the supposed savings come from. It doesn’t slow down premium growth in any serious way.

          Of course I give you too much respect because the bill you pretend Republicans were serious about as an alternative died in committee where a Republican chair refused to advance it. The entire point was to get rubes copying and pasting Ryan’s words, pretending they were serious, and generally being pretend smart people. Immediately after this Ryan shifted to his preferred goal of privatizing and doing away with Medicare.

          • October 25, 2016 at 8:36 pm
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            “You work on the agency side, right?”

            Yes I do.

            “You haven’t even looked into these plans. The supposed savings from the one is mainly by dropping younger people, as confirmed in the CBO link you post 10x a day.”

            And as confirmed by my links, while you are correct that it aims to drop the overall cost by including insureds, the estimate and evidence is that compared to the republican plan which aims to drop costs as well, it drops costs by 20% less than the republican plan. The mandate and the ACA are bad plans. Even with a means to drop costs by insuring more young people, it ends up being more expensive. This is a testament to how bad the plan is.

            “This means the insured population is older, and since you don’t understand the term you will call it bigoted, but older people are riskier to insure and costlier to provide medical care.”

            Don’t put words in my mouth before I have said them. I’m aware of your concept here, the facts though are that the democrat plan doesn’t do what it says it does, because it’s a several thousand page plan which already has measured affects. While you keep saying premiums are down more than they would be in the absence of the plan, that is simply not true. The plan has increased premiums by comparison to it’s absence by 9% as stated by the CBO. Premiums as a whole are down due to other factors. I love how you pick and choose which CBO facts to listen to, but this is a CBO fact.

            “You don’t understand demographics but the US population is aging which is why the private health insurance system was already in a death spiral,”

            I know demographics very well, stop throwing in your bias and perceptions and just make your damn points kid.

            “or very close to one. Since their plan also eliminated preexisting conditions and has no individual mandate it creates additional incentive for people to hold off on buying insurance until they are sick, again making the pool filled primarily with riskier people and therefore more costly thereby increasing costs.”

            Again, I’m well aware of the concept. But it didn’t work with the way the democrats worded it, and the republican plan would have still been 20% less, and wouldn’t need a mandate, and wouldn’t need higher taxes or add to the deficit, as proven by the CBO. Do you mean to say we should add a mandate to the republican plan and it will bring down costs even more? If so, I might agree, if it wasn’t blatant over reach.

            We already know what the mandate is intended to do, and we already know the republican plan would have decreased premiums without the need of one. Having the mandate was supposed to decrease premiums, but it isn’t with the democrat plan, by comparison to the republican one. The cbo isn’t wrong. You keep throwing out ideological concepts and you’re not connecting dots.

            “You don’t even seem to understand the basics of insurance, or a single thing discussed while this bill was being created and debated for over a year.”

            I understand them very well. I know one of the primary things that made this bill high in cost was they changed the amount you can invest per dollar when it comes to claims. That is part of why the insurance companies cannot have large return ratios, and THAT is how insurance works. Look, I just said a concept, combined with how the ACA harmed an actual concept of insurance, combined with the fact that it does cost more. Think you can do that?

            “The tax credits are BS. If you barely make enough money to survive a tax credit will not cover insurance.”

            Tax credits are not B.S. I already showed that if you barely make enough money to survive, it will after the 20% savings you have, be at least equal in assistance to what you have now with the ACA. I then said, if you mean to say you want more credits, so be it. Also, the republicans proposed up to a $5,000 debit card to buy insurance. Sooooo, you didn’t know this, and you buy into typical class warfare. Good to know.

            “Your bill leaves millions of people uninsured,”

            Wrong. When accounting for choice, it allows anyone who wants it to get insurance just as much as the ACA, if not more, and allows the mainstream middle class to pay less who can afford it, which benefits everyone.

            “which is where the supposed savings come from.”

            Wrong again. The savings come from lower premiums.

            “It doesn’t slow down premium growth in any serious way.”

            20% by comparison to the plan passed as stated by the CBO. That is a serious way.

            “Of course I give you too much respect because the bill you pretend Republicans were serious about as an alternative died in committee where a Republican chair refused to advance it.”

            The bill I’m referring to was blocked in a party line vote. Only one republican voted against it’s advancement. You are making things up.

            “The entire point was to get rubes copying and pasting Ryan’s words, pretending they were serious, and generally being pretend smart people. Immediately after this Ryan shifted to his preferred goal of privatizing and doing away with Medicare.”

            1. This is a serious accusation that requires serious grounds of support, your bias is showing.

            2. This was the politick lie of the year during the 2012 election.

            Ryan’s plan is to provide alternatives and ensure that Medicare doesn’t become the sole path and then go bankrupt, harming everyone.

            You’re basically just a mislead pawn.

            Get it through your head, you’re talking to the SMARTEST person you ever have. I’ve given more facts, than anyone you’ve talked to.

            You just don’t like them.

          • October 26, 2016 at 1:09 pm
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            By the way UW:

            You said:

            “Since their plan also eliminated preexisting conditions”

            Nope. Read what I liked about the plan, and read the sourced plan for the 2009 bill.

            Preexisting conditions was included as well as coverage for preventative care, as well as food stamp spending which would encourage and help people to eat better in the lower class.

            I like all those things.

            So I just proved you factually wrong on the above line, and this means you don’t know the bill you are debating (provably) and yet you say I know nothing?

            You need to leave the debates to the adults.

          • October 31, 2016 at 2:08 pm
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            “You work on the agency side, right?”
            Yes I do.”

            Big shock for a guy with no understanding of statistics, actuarial probabilities, or reality (sarcasm). Not all of them, of course, but the craziest for sure because they don’t have to actually consider this stuff in most cases.

            The study you base this on was not a comprehensive study. It assumed Ryan’s tax loophole eliminations would work as planned, even though he didn’t really specify any, and even though time after time loopholes have been reopened within years. It also assumes that without a mandate people will still sign up, and that states would still provide their share of funding. These are both idiotic assumptions, and we know for a fact they aren’t true. States turned down millions in Medicare funding. Not debatable. Also the assumed levels of savings due to making it more difficult to sue has shown not to decrease costs, but accounts for huge savings here. It’s also likely unconstitutional, and removes personal responsibility for doctors. But removing responsibility for businesses is one of the few consistent conservative ideas anymore, so that’s expected.

            You are in a dream world. This isn’t close to a workable plan, which is why the GOP didn’t advance it out of committee, which you ignore, because you don’t know how government works. All the comprehensive studies of Republican plans show they are a joke.

    • October 21, 2016 at 2:45 pm
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      J.S.: Apparently, you haven’t heard Obama state several times “I won” or “I have a pen and a phone.” or seen him threaten to, or actually sign, a veto.

      • October 21, 2016 at 3:02 pm
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        Actually, I’m fully aware of his comments.

        My question is why did the Republicans make this all so easy for him? Filing repeal bill after repeal bill had no chance of changing anything for the positive, neither in the law itself nor the public’s perception.

        Actually crafting a bill with a workable plan would have changed the dynamics of everything. When the Republicans first controlled the House, they had the opportunity to prove to the public that they did indeed have a better plan, but that’s not what they chose to do. Of course, the Senate would have been an almost insurmountable hurdle, but the media couldn’t have ignored it at that point and everyone would see that the Republicans are more than the party of “no”.

        But that’s not what happened, is it?

        • October 21, 2016 at 3:15 pm
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          Politics are involved in the Republicans PROVING Obama was obstinate and refused to fix the mess he made.

          Now the Dems will pay for it dearly with losses in the upcoming election.

          But Obama won’t and he doesn’t care because he is retiring, and is a lame duck. Lamer duck. Lamest duck.

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:06 pm
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            Duck, duck…goose. Goose – what Don The Raper (allegedly) does to women.

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:16 pm
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            More one liners, and jokes about alleged rape.

            Leave it to the big boys to debate policy.

          • October 21, 2016 at 6:02 pm
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            I’m going to do my first deplorable comment here.

            I don’t think I should ever have to make a comment like this, even a sarcastic one just to show how horrible yours are.

            Your comment to me, would be as horrifying as seeing someone say this as a rape joke about Clinton, and I only say it because you used Duck Duck Goose, I may as well use Goose as well:

            Hey Planet? You know what Bill tells his victims?

            What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!

            Ba dam chi!

            Now I’m cool right! I talked like you! YAY!

            (I actually had to rewrite this as I nearly threw up the way it was initially written with the first line including saying to his “rape” victims”. It turns out even I have my limits. I can’t write it. I can’t. Even in a joke form I can’t joke about Clinton’s (probably) fake rape victims like that because it’s demeaning!)

          • October 24, 2016 at 5:25 pm
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            Yep, censorship:

            Duck, duck…goose. Goose – what Don The Raper (allegedly) does to women.

          • October 31, 2016 at 2:14 pm
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            Bob, stop commenting on this topic. This is the incoherent rambling of a mad man. You have attacked Clinton for the allegations against him, please stop lying and pretending you haven’t and are above it. You have asked why a Christian would vote for him or the woman who shamed the people making the claims. Even though the evidence she ever did that is shaky at best.

        • October 21, 2016 at 3:19 pm
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          “Actually, I’m fully aware of his comments. My question is why did the Republicans make this all so easy for him? ”

          So the republicans are to blame for Obama’s corruption?

          “Filing repeal bill after repeal bill had no chance of changing anything for the positive, neither in the law itself nor the public’s perception.”

          Now they are bad for trying to put it in the public plan and trying to repeal and replace a bad plan?

          “Actually crafting a bill with a workable plan would have changed the dynamics of everything. ”

          They did, and each one Obama said was not credible.

          “When the Republicans first controlled the House, they had the opportunity to prove to the public that they did indeed have a better plan, but that’s not what they chose to do.”

          Yes they did. It’s just the media went full assault claiming lies.

          “Of course, the Senate would have been an almost insurmountable hurdle, but the media couldn’t have ignored it at that point and everyone would see that the Republicans are more than the party of “no”.”

          Hahahahaha. That’s not how it happened so it’s clear you are wrong here. Right now the media is ignoring wiki leaks, it hasn’t even damaged Clinton, as well as her email security issues, which is how those leaked to being with. They can and will ignore everything to keep up with their status quo.

          “But that’s not what happened, is it?”

          Exactly. And that’s due to the democrats lying and misleading and dividing and conquering.

          You don’t blame the bullied for the bully.

        • October 21, 2016 at 3:21 pm
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          Let’s use the debt fight. Obama set that up and said if they fail the sequester will happen.

          Then he blamed the republicans each year for the sequester, and each year he got tax increases, he didn’t live up to spending cuts.

          And each year he said the republicans were not compromising, and each year the media backed that up.

          It was literally a punch in the face, standing on the republicans throat, saying, “I hit you in the face, but you didn’t give me more of what I want, COMPROMISE NOW BEOTCH!!! THIS IS YOUR FAULT!”

          He has done this on every single plan. It is not the fault of republicans that their is clear bias in the media, and that these people are corrupt.

        • October 24, 2016 at 7:35 am
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          re-posted due to censorship via botting my earlier post with the identical content:

          Politics are involved in the Republicans PROVING Obama was obstinate and refused to fix the mess he made.

          Now the Dems will pay for it dearly with losses in the upcoming election.

          But Obama won’t and he doesn’t care because he is retiring, and is a lame duck. Lamer duck. Lamest duck.

      • October 21, 2016 at 4:12 pm
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        DePolar, he had his first veto overridden with only a few months left in his Presidency.

  • October 21, 2016 at 2:33 pm
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    Can you guys give President Obama a break for once. Let’s face it, the republicans had it out for the man from the day he started. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why. If you found out he stood up when he went to the men’s room, you would say that’s ridiculous and he should sit down. If he sat down when he went to the men’s room they you would complain that he needs to stand. Regardless to the crime, healthcare, and immigration issues I still think we live in the best country in the world. Racism is still alive and well in 2016, you guys have just decided it was OK to show your true colors.

    • October 24, 2016 at 10:52 am
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      Cindi, are you sisters with Celtica? Conservatives had it in for Obama from the word go because we don’t care much for Progressive Socialists. Apparently, you didn’t hear him telling Joe the Plumber that we need to spread the wealth around. That did it for me. I could see him coming from a mile away. Just look at the mess he has made for 8 years. Sorry, no breaks for this guy and glad he is out of there shortly.

    • October 24, 2016 at 12:10 pm
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      He forced the worst law in the history if the US down our throat. He will forever be know as the one who caused Health Care cost to sky rocket. When did he ever give Joe Average a break?

      • October 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm
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        FFA, he also said that under my plan, electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket. He seems to think that wind, solar, algae and cow dung will be the answer to energy needs. After all, we do know that climate change is our most serious national security threat, right? How was this country ever stupid enough to elect such a man?

  • October 21, 2016 at 2:48 pm
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    And, there ARE good replacement plans that have been partially revealed.

    They ALL include “repeal ACA” as Step One.

    They ALL include NO MANDATES.

    They ALL exclude hidden tax increases or deductible increases FORCED upon participants.

    They ALL preserve individual liberties.

    They ALL disclose details and do not blatantly LIE to consumers / citizens.

    They ALL exclude subsidies to Illegal Immigrants.

    • October 21, 2016 at 3:05 pm
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      Ooh, partially revealed. That’s how you get things changed.

      There was and is an opportunity to act. Instead, all we see is partially revealed plans. What a joke.

      • October 21, 2016 at 3:17 pm
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        NO ONE who knows the plans are going to reveal them now. It is pointless to give ALL the details to the media so it can help the Dems make pointless objections to the Republicans plan.

        You seem frustrated by the lack of info on the plans that REPUBLICANS have been sharing within their ranks, but not with the Dems who EXCLUDED them from discussions of ACA in 2009.

      • October 21, 2016 at 3:40 pm
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        You’re wrong. That simple. The republicans did put forth plans. The media twisted their repeals and attempts to pass their own as obstruction, and otherwise refused to report on the plans.

        So how were they to get them to the public other than voting for them? Which then the media called them corrupt from? See the cycle?

        You are speaking in cliches.

        How should they have acted?

        Explain to me how they should have done it, other than just saying “They should have presented their plans”. They did. They put them before congress. Does this trigger some sort of reporting? Is the media linked to or required to report?

        When Fox News Reports on it we call them biased, could that be the left’s method of destroying anyone who reports on it?

        You tell me the path.

      • October 21, 2016 at 3:41 pm
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        Because in your world, apparently voting for good plans is bad.

        You’ve literally said that. You’ve blamed the republicans for acting as governors, and not as rock star media folks like the left.

        You’re a fool, not people like agent or I. It’s old.

      • October 21, 2016 at 3:43 pm
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        First, you say there are no plans.

        Then you say they didn’t sell their plans.

        Then you say if they had good plans and presented them the media would be forced to report on them. (No, they wouldn’t)

        Then you go back to saying there must have therefore been no plans.

        Then you say they didn’t sell their plans. Then you say if they had good plans and presented them the media would be forced to report on them (No they wouldn’t)

        See this circle of stupidity JS?

        • October 24, 2016 at 1:59 pm
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          Actually Bob, what I did is ask for bill numbers. No one, including you, has provided any. I also am not aware of any so I’ll just move forward with the premise that there aren’t any.

          If they actually had a real plan, they could, and should, have filed bills in both the House and Senate. But since they don’t have a bill, they couldn’t.

          You kept telling me they had a plan, thus my comments on filing and selling them to the public. But you were wrong. They don’t have a plan.

          As for the media, we’ll never know. There was never a filed plan to report on.

          Every comment after asking about bill numbers is based on the fiction repeated by many of you that there is a plan. Again, there isn’t.

          Your logic is flawed.

          What I didn’t do is resort to rude, nasty comments. Unfortunately, you did.

          And finally, in your next post, you say you know I am young. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! In addition to being an excellent typist, you’re also very humorous.

          • October 24, 2016 at 5:43 pm
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            “Actually Bob, what I did is ask for bill numbers. No one, including you, has provided any. I also am not aware of any so I’ll just move forward with the premise that there aren’t any.”

            I gave you the bill names, find the numbers yourself. So because you’re lazy and an ahole who wants to believe your narrative without research you will assume there were none despite my links showing the contrary. In other words, you want this narrative of nothing.

            “If they actually had a real plan, they could, and should, have filed bills in both the House and Senate.”

            First:

            They did.

            Second of all, no, you cannot. Not unless you have a super majority. The first thing you do is present the plan to the public. If the media shits on your plan, it’s DOA.

            “But since they don’t have a bill, they couldn’t.”

            They have had four, and one rated by the CBO. You are still so stupid you won’t simply look up the bill numbers for the bills I gave you. Go to the .gov website where you can look these up.

            “You kept telling me they had a plan, thus my comments on filing and selling them to the public. But you were wrong. They don’t have a plan.”

            Selling them to the public requires a media that reports them. They cannot force the public to report, and the public did report. They shit on their plans. The cbo rated them. I am not wrong. They did have a plan. It is insane you don’t know this, and it is a testament to how bad Obama and the media are and how much they have succeeded that you don’t know.

            “As for the media, we’ll never know. There was never a filed plan to report on.”

            Screw you, look up the four I gave you. Yes they were. They were CBO rated, and filed, and blocked.

            “Every comment after asking about bill numbers is based on the fiction repeated by many of you that there is a plan. Again, there isn’t.”

            Yes. There is/are

            Your logic is flawed.
            What I didn’t do is resort to rude, nasty comments. Unfortunately, you did.

            Listen kid, you deserve ridicule. You deserve, to be told you’re wrong and ruining the country.

            When I post these bill numbers, which by the way you need to admit you were wrong, we are going back to square one again, and that is THESE PLANS WERE RATED BY THE CBO BEFORE THEY WERE FILED and that is how politics works!!!

            IN ALL CASES. And you’re going to admit, that if the public reports on these plans (and I gave you links showing they did) and shit on them in advance, then THAT is what blocks the plan when it doesn’t get to the floor.

            Not republicans. Plan bill numbers coming, by the way, moron, and you deserve that insult.

            “And finally, in your next post, you say you know I am young. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! In addition to being an excellent typist, you’re also very humorous.”

            Ah yes, someone who is thirty at oldest now believes he isn’t young.

            I’m also very well versed in demographics. You ain’t an old timer, and are VERY likely younger than I am, you are a millennial. Am I wrong?

          • October 24, 2016 at 5:48 pm
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            https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/s1099/text

            I gave you the link showing the plan, I gave you the link showing the name, I gave you the damn CBO link, and you still say it doesn’t exist?

            Here is the bill itself, which all you had to do was go to this site to look up the bill.

            And you’re such a little baby, I had to do it for you!

            You will never, NEVER live this down, that you said there were no bills.

            YOU are the problem, you believe lies the left says, and the right DID put their plan out there to be rated by the CBO and DID file it.

            From there, there was nothing they could do.

            This website will allow you to look up the rest.

            Insert the congress time frame, and then insert the bill name.

            I won’t do the rest of the 4, you sleazy, uneducated, worthless, piece of crap.

            And yes, the insults are needed. Your side pretends people like me don’t do my research, and then you refuse to simply look up the bill number for bills I gave you, inclusive of the plan itself, which if they didn’t put it out there HOW DID I HAVE THE DAMN PLAN!!?!?!?!?! RIGHT FROM THEIR WEBSITE?!?!!?!?!

            They have tried to revive this bill numerous times. There is also a patients choice act of 2015, where they tried to put it to floor again. They have NOT constantly tried to solely take away Obama’s plan, like he has LIED and constantly said.

            The tried to put in place what people want.

            https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/s1099/text

          • October 24, 2016 at 5:50 pm
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            The other post will probably get caught since I swore in it, and you deserved it I might add.

            https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/s1099/text

            The bill.

            You piece of garbage.

          • October 25, 2016 at 9:29 am
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            You gotta love Bob!

          • October 26, 2016 at 12:09 am
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            Hey Bob, you piece of garbage, the bill you call the other poster a piece of garbage about was killed in committee by Republicans. Don’t stop posting it though, it’s the one you were trained to blab about, and it keeps you from talking about the bill Ryan went into after, which killed Medicare.

            Also, don’t act high and mighty and freak out when people insult you since you did it here, idiot.

          • October 26, 2016 at 1:19 pm
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            “Hey Bob, you piece of garbage, the bill you call the other poster a piece of garbage about was killed in committee by Republicans.”

            Evidence needed. The committee who started it was 7 republicans. The republicans pushed this plan. They did not kill their own bill.

            “Don’t stop posting it though, it’s the one you were trained to blab about,”

            Trained by whom? You’re insane. Tin foil hat conspiracy theorist much?

            “and it keeps you from talking about the bill Ryan went into after, which killed Medicare.”

            Incorrect. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/dec/20/lie-year-democrats-claims-republicans-voted-end-me/

            You are talking about Ryan pushing to make medicare a last resort, and to provide incentives and private options. This is not a move to kill medicare, this is a move to make sure there are multiple options and that medicare doesn’t go bankrupt. If you have ever watched Ryan, he has constantly said he FEARS medicare’s solvency. But of course, you just make up an agenda that YOU follow, from the left who feeds it to you.

            “Also, don’t act high and mighty and freak out when people insult you since you did it here, idiot.”

            I haven’t freaked out when someone insults me, I have gone off on people who have lied, and refused to look at bills, and claimed they didn’t exist when I gave CBO resources, the bill itself from the website of republicans outlining the plan, saying they wanted to pass it, and gave a link showing the names of the bills in the house.

            If one cannot accept a bill existed under those evidence measures, it pisses me off.

            Also, don’t use the high and mighty crap with me, that’ s you buddy. You believe you’re better than everyone.

      • October 21, 2016 at 3:47 pm
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        I’ve found I’m so out of the norm for people like you, young people (and I know you are) that you are genuinely shocked to hear what I say. You’re used to older people, who talk more frankly and don’t constantly back up what they say. You target these people, and you ignore people like me so much, you never hear our arguments.

        And then you claim that you would have listened if only given the chance, but you don’t listen so much, YOU’VE NEVER EVEN HEARD MY VOICE IN YOUR GROUPS. You’ve isolated us JS, and destroyed us in public, and when you haven’t done that you’ve outright pretended we don’t exist.

        And then you pretend that never happens, not the left never ignores the good plans of the rights, it’s just you never heard of them and it’s their fault.

        No, it’s your fault.

        Do your due diligence before voting. If a plan existed you didn’t know about, it’s your fault, not republicans. Also, I’ve shown you these plans. Even if you say it’s their fault for not presenting them (It’s not) you now should spread the word about the plans themselves, not condemn people for not being able to sell plans, and then support the one who passed the bad plan.

        You’re just sleazy and inept. Grow up, do your due diligence, stop derailing with idiotic concepts, and vote off of programs, not idealistic horse crap.

        • October 25, 2016 at 5:28 pm
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          Jack, obviously, Bob destroys all the left minions with his posts. They hate him all the more for it. I admire his effort, but he is not going to convince the leftists of anything. Their brain is obvious mush since they are probably puffing on the weed too much.

        • October 26, 2016 at 12:13 am
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          Yes, when a person says it is okay to grab a woman by the pussy and kiss her without consent, and that it isn’t sexual assault, and just “getting some” people are shocked.

          We do hear your voice in our groups, but we then exclude them from our groups, because there is no place in civil society for racists who want to ban groups based on religion, torture and kill innocent people, and openly support sexually assaulting women. Do you think, just maybe, the reason nobody liked you in school, and then nobody liked you in college, and now nobody likes listening to your BS is you, and not every other member of society individually?

          Oh wait, that’s just lazy and inept. Pseudo-intellectual dolt.

          • October 26, 2016 at 1:24 pm
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            “Yes, when a person says it is okay to grab a woman by the pussy and kiss her without consent, and that it isn’t sexual assault, and just “getting some” people are shocked. ”

            That has not been the topic in my posts, but I will address it now. Did you hear the words “and they let you do it”.

            He’s bragging about being able to get women he wants. He’s not bragging about going against their consent. It is not sexual assault.

            “We do hear your voice in our groups, but we then exclude them from our groups, because there is no place in civil society for racists who want to ban groups based on religion, torture and kill innocent people, and openly support sexually assaulting women.”

            None of those topics were in reference to the things I said your side didn’t hear. You’re right, all you hear is what you put above, and not the other facts that are actually related to politics. In regards to torturing and killing innocent people: Torturing terrorists is not torturing innocent people and NO ONE said anything about killing innocent people, no one is supporting sexually assaulting women, with regards to banning people IMMIGRATING FROM A WAR TORN NATION DUE TO RELIGION the religion is a pertinent means to keep it out. Sharia law would come with the Muslim religion, as it is not just a religion, it is a political faction. You don’t know what discrimination is, you don’t know what racism is.

            “Do you think, just maybe, the reason nobody liked you in school, and then nobody liked you in college, and now nobody likes listening to your BS is you, and not every other member of society individually?”

            Oh ho boy. What? This is some next level high and mighty and bullying crap.

            “Oh wait, that’s just lazy and inept. Pseudo-intellectual dolt.”

            Shut up. Psycho. You don’t make any sense, and you actually are trash.

          • October 26, 2016 at 6:30 pm
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            Hey everyone, I’m about to drop a bomb.

            Are you all ready? Feel free to use these quotes against liberals in the future.

            Let the dance begin! You will love it, I assure you.

            Hey UW:

            http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34139960

            5,000 Syrians granted asylum. I will first point out that these are low numbers to begin with, and we don’t go out of our way to help the thousands of Christians who were being attacked by ISIS and left on a mountain top, most who died, I’ll source quote that in a bit. But that is 5,000 total. I will find out the exact amount of kids later, but let’s assume at least 15% are kids (I saw a link before that said 85% were adult males, and asked where the women and children were from Briebart, I’ll find more that are better later, I don’t like using poor sources).

            That would mean 4,250.

            Are you ready UW?

          • October 26, 2016 at 6:33 pm
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            Play the music people, I wish I had some epic music here, maybe some songs I made myself when I was younger, I used to use a music program a lot for ten years of my life.

            I have this epic combo of Unsolved mysteries style music in my head with some rock going as I type this.

            It’s my creative side.

            Hey UW!

            How many refugees were in the UK again?

            Boom chicka boom, cha chicka boom,

            Sorry, the drop the mic music is flowing in my mind and I can’t stop it.

            This is too epic.

            https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1528756/hundreds-of-syrians-in-uk-arrested-over-string-of-offences-including-rape-and-child-abuse/

            Boom chicka boom, cha chicka boom,

            Boom chicka boom, cha chicka boom!

            The thing to worry about is how the left media is saying there is no problem.

            Almost 900 in jail, with the media refusing to say Syrians coming into the UK have a problem with rape.

            That’s about 20% of all refugees involved in violence and rape!!!

            We already have the numbers showing they are ok with Sharia law, it was fairly clear the war torn nation is war torn due to religious extremism there.

            Boom chicka boom, cha chicka boom,

            Aheam, drop the freaking mic, BAM.

          • October 26, 2016 at 6:37 pm
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            http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

            But of course, this has nothing to do with religion, while you try to all the time hold Christianity accountable for travesties, you call it bigotry to do so with a violent, anti women, anti gay, child molesting, religion.

            That is what the Islamic faith is. The only form of a moderate Muslim is the one who doesn’t follow their faith, their faith clearly condones this, and it is clearly linked to the Islamic nations.

            Mic dropped, BAM now choke down that info, kiddo.

          • October 27, 2016 at 4:29 pm
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            Bob the gift that keeps in giving. Seriously what do you think you just proved? I’ve looked through and they don’t seem related to what you are ranting on. If you are trying to prove you are off your rocker half as smart as you think you are and completely insane you’ve nailed it, totally.

          • October 27, 2016 at 5:30 pm
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            “Bob the gift that keeps in giving. Seriously what do you think you just proved? I’ve looked through and they don’t seem related to what you are ranting on. If you are trying to prove you are off your rocker half as smart as you think you are and completely insane you’ve nailed it, totally.”

            My God ACTU. I’m pointing out that the media actually tried to avoid saying there was a Syrian refugee problem with violence and rape. I showed several links that showed women were raped, and the groups that were responsible were in some cases Syrian rape gangs.

            I showed numbers regarding total Syrian refugees, from the war torn nation, and proved that 20% of them have landed in jail for violence and rape.

            When we say we don’t want that in our boarders, the Sharia law and Islamic faith from the most extreme sections of the world,

            We are not being bigoted against anyone. UW said I am bigoted against religions. I am against murder and rape. When numbers say there is a problem, and we ignore them, we are in fact engaging in deplorable activity. That is what the left is doing.

            And thank you, I am the gift that keeps giving numbers.

            I give numbers and this proves I am insane and off my rocker? What about the above was insane?

            You’re just an deplorable human being. It’s getting old. I say “here, facts, this shows there is a problem” I then point out the problem,

            And you scream

            RACIST
            INSANE

            And your ally screams: Man you betta be careful boy, you might get dem dere shot! (I’m doing this in a Southern accent to mock your perception of conservatives, this is not meant to be black in case you try to call me a racist).

            The insane one, is your side. You scream racist the second people say what you don’t want to hear in terms of facts.

            Grow up. Debate an idiot, you don’t stand a chance in hell against me. USE NUMBERS not one liner cliche phrases with me.

            You still haven’t. It’s one line after cliche line, after cliche line.

          • October 27, 2016 at 5:33 pm
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            In fact is explaining my logic itself what is so insane to you?

            That last post that is what I did. I explained my logic.

            UW called me bigoted and I explained why I’m not with my logic and numbers.

            So if I respond to you I’m insane. If I don’t, I must be racist right? It must be true what he says?

            You are attempting to intimidate people into silence. This is what your side did with regards to labeling groups and publicly shaming them with regards to segregation and racism. This is how bigotry spreads.

            The best way to combat bigotry is facts ACTU! Not one liners! So if you want to combat my supposed “bigotry” then use facts and evidence! Don’t perpetuate hate! Use knowledge! Is it insane for me to say that as well?

            It reflect back on famous civil rights speakers. Is that insane too?

      • October 21, 2016 at 3:55 pm
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        To emphasize this, I just talked with a college grad (but still younger than me) and she full out snapped at first.

        Full on snapped. She threatened to dox me on reddit to get me harassed (I made the mistake for the first time, in debating in public with my actual contact information)

        But, by the end, she agreed with all my facts. She had just been triggered into voting democrat because of a perception of ideological superiority. She even acknowledged I was not incorrect on a single point. Not one.

        This was a friend of a friend from my past who was much younger than I was. I left that friends group as I was out of the age range about 10 years ago. They since graduated about 6 years ago. Se we are still taking in the range of close to 30.

        She had finally begun to realize the corruption, but still was triggering to such a degree I couldn’t believe it. I had to ask her if she was aware what the term doxing meant. She actually apologized, and I asked her: Don’t you think you’ve been trained to react this way?

        We talked about college studies, and she verified I was correct many were manipulated in the public eye.

        At least this was the first who admitted that, but it might be due to how long she’s been out of college.

        • October 21, 2016 at 4:20 pm
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          Bob, it must be hard living in the liberal N/W. What a shame that so many college kids are indoctrinated to liberal thinking. Most of them just don’t have a clue about the truth and when you have political left leaders continuing to lie time after time, it just sticks in their mind. God help us if HRC is elected. We will be well on our way to a Venezuela type country.

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:23 pm
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            That is not the first time that has happened.

            When I’ve debated with people I know a lot of the time I’ve been full on harassed. Doxing is a serious thing, and a crime. It is hard.

            I have affected some though.

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:24 pm
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            I am however grateful.

            I would never be this well versed without all this around me.

            I challenge the norm and beliefs every day, from my environment. And it makes me actually look at bills and public statements by parties.

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:26 pm
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            I might add I’m never given due respect.

            People like me have to get beaten down by darn near a hundred, before we change even 3-5 people.

            We are the on the ground movers. All too often people shut down debate with methods like this site, and feel they are justice. They feel they are the liberal minds.

            No, they are the new regressive left. They don’t face harassment over their statements, they face me at worst.

            And let’s face it, one of me is not as bad as 10 of them all at the same time, and in public, I’ve seen the beatings, which these people who go insane would certainly do.

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:37 pm
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            Also, I have to emphasize this:

            The way she threatened to dox me was definitely social mob style justice.

            She somehow linked a friend on facebook, (so it highlighted their name blue?) and said post this up on reddit, and then highlighted several other friends.

            She was full on trying an attempt of social shame tactics, combined with public humiliation, combined with doxing.

            I was about to smack my friend upside the head for having friends like that. She never replied to the post herself, probably because she was shocked what had just occurred. She’s more a moderate herself.

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:53 pm
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            Hey Agent,
            Do you think when Peeping Don entered into the Miss Teen USA girl’s dressing room, he said, “Heeeeeeeer’s Donnie!”?

          • October 21, 2016 at 4:57 pm
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            What the hell is your issue and what are you even trying to say?

            This is basically just derailing sickening crud.

            What do you think Bill Clinton said to his alleged people he raped and pursued sexually?

            You just keep quoting national inquirer level tar. I’ll keep talking about policy and corruption. How about that?

          • October 24, 2016 at 7:38 am
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            re-posting of Bob’s comment above, which was BOTTED into hidden status by cowardly liberals:

            Bob says:

            What the hell is your issue and what are you even trying to say?

            This is basically just derailing sickening crud.

            What do you think Bill Clinton said to his alleged people he raped and pursued sexually?

            You just keep quoting national inquirer level tar. I’ll keep talking about policy and corruption. How about that?

          • October 24, 2016 at 4:28 pm
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            Hey Agent,
            Do you think when Peeping Don entered into the Miss Teen USA girl’s dressing room, he said, “Heeeeeeeer’es Donnie!”?

          • October 26, 2016 at 12:45 pm
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            Bob, saw an interesting email yesterday with picture of over 1,000 gun owners protesting Washington State’s new gun law. They were all out there with their guns, burning their gun registration cards and defying the government. Haven’t seen any play on this from the national media since they ignore this kind of thing and prefer to report Black Lives Matter. Looks to me like the folks in Washington State are not happy with their elected leaders.

        • October 24, 2016 at 3:49 pm
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          Keep these coming they are great. You are such a fucking weirdo, I love it.

          You are given the respect you deserve, the same respect liars and frauds pretending to be geniuses get.

          • October 24, 2016 at 4:50 pm
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            Bob, DePolar, FFA, Jack, Patticake, can you believe that the IJ monitor continues to let Actu swear and personally insult without consequences?

          • October 25, 2016 at 7:22 pm
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            Of which you are the judge jury and executioner I see.

            I give respect to those that debate as a methods of information transference.

            I’m not pretending to be a genius, but I love that you say that. It is the only way you can live with the fact that I have so much information here, I pretend.

  • October 21, 2016 at 5:48 pm
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    Bob, why are you even giving a mentally disturbed man the time of day? Everyone on this forum can see him for what he is.

    • October 21, 2016 at 10:24 pm
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      Bob is trying to talk to Reagan? He’s dead.

      I have no clue what Bob rants about. Like those sparkly vampire novels, I choose not to read anything Bob writes.

    • October 25, 2016 at 8:52 am
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      Censorship, oh how I love thee:

      Bob is trying to talk to Reagan? He’s dead.

      I have no clue what Bob rants about. Like those sparkly vampire novels, I choose not to read anything Bob writes.

    • October 25, 2016 at 1:34 pm
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      And what would that be, Agent? Inform the class.

  • October 21, 2016 at 6:31 pm
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    My apologies Bob. I was under the impression you felt ALL insults and attacks had no place on this site. I didn’t realize they were acceptable in certain situations.

    • October 21, 2016 at 6:41 pm
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      I don’t know if this is sarcasm or not, but if it’s not I have many times voiced my opinion that false equivalency of insulting methods is annoying to me.

      Ridicule of an idea while you prove it false I have no problem with.

      Ridicule of a person to prove them false, I do have a problem with.

      I think that there should be social consequence.

      As an example: As much as I don’t like religious attacks, I don’t dislike religious criticism, if you are ridiculing an actual bad aspect.

      • October 26, 2016 at 10:13 am
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        Bob, your favorite dude Confused doesn’t understand why you are disappointed why he doesn’t “respect” your opinions, evidence you present with links on your posts. Remember when you tried to be nice to him and talk to him about his beliefs and offer different takes on issues? No matter what you do, he will remain Confused. It is in his DNA.

        • October 26, 2016 at 10:35 am
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          “Confused doesn’t understand why you are disappointed why he doesn’t “respect” your opinions”

          Wrong. I only said Please let bob speak for himself. If bob says he has a respect issue with me, I’ll discuss with him….not you.

          • October 26, 2016 at 12:47 pm
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            Hopefully, Bob will straighten you out once and for all. In my “opinion”, you are a lost cause and don’t expect me to post a link on the subject.

          • October 26, 2016 at 1:28 pm
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            Deplorables,

            I will step in here. I have decided not to put him in his place due to what happened here. I don’t need to beat a dead horse. Confused already said he was wrong, and I will say he’s one of the only people that do. I don’t need to beat him down when he course corrected. It would do a disservice to conservative compassion, mercy, and acceptance, Reagan style.

            Confused is not as big of a problem as others here and I tend to believe that when he messes up here, considering he does sometimes retract, has more to do with having the right intent and messing up than being vindictive.

            This is why I said “if” confused is not salvageable then my posts aren’t for him. I’m not convinced that someone who sounds as soft as him on occasion (not meant as an insult, I look at certain types of softness as male strength) is a serious problem in society.

            Confused you may feel free to take this as a compliment.

  • October 21, 2016 at 9:23 pm
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    Unlike the Democrats blaming Bush for the prolonged recession and their inability to correct the US economy, the Trumpster will not blame Obama for 8 years for the ACA mess he left behind. Donald will simply fix it by repealing it instantly, and by implementing a series of solutions that will correct most of the problems within 2 – 3 years.

    • October 21, 2016 at 10:25 pm
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      How is Don The Alleged Raper going to accomplish that running a television station?

      • October 23, 2016 at 9:13 pm
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        Who is D-T-A-R ? and why are you discussing off-topic matters in this thread?

    • October 25, 2016 at 8:52 am
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      Censors at it again:

      How is Don The Alleged Raper going to accomplish that running a television station?

    • October 25, 2016 at 3:30 pm
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      DePolar, liberals just love those 1-1.5% growth rates for GDP and very anemic jobs numbers. They also don’t mind jobs being shipped overseas due to Progressive taxation and regulations. Eight years and they haven’t got a handle yet on what helps an economy. The Stimulus was supposed to create jobs (shovel ready) and didn’t and now they want to “invest” again in public projects for infrastructure. Obama recently called for even more money to stimulate jobs. What happened to that nearly trillion dollars passed? Pretty sure it was donated back to the Democratic Party coffers so they could continue to scam the country.

      • October 28, 2016 at 4:20 pm
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        Growth is higher under Democrats. Growth is even near 3%,and has been better than most major nations in the world. Stop making asinine statements MR.

  • October 21, 2016 at 9:26 pm
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    Obama to Republicans on health care: “I broke it. You fix it. I’m going to play golf and try to be king of the UN when my term ends. And, I’m exempt from ACA.”

  • October 22, 2016 at 8:57 am
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    Brian DePalma is working on a follow up to his acclaimed “Scarface”. I saw the promotional poster today:

    In the fall of 2016, he campaigned with a video showing Syrian refugees escaping and suggested to us all they were illegal Mexicans flooding the United States. He said they were coming to rape American people.

    He promised a wall with a big beautiful door paid for by Mexico. He spoke about his wealth, power, and passion beyond his wildest dreams.

    He was Don The Alleged Raper. The world will remember him by another name…
    ORANGEFACE

    • October 24, 2016 at 7:41 am
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      If you think your fantasy film story is clever, why don’t you speak FACE-to-FACE to some of the THOUSANDS of rape victims of Illegal Immigrant trespassers?

      • October 24, 2016 at 12:10 pm
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        I imagine you’ve collected the public records that support your claim, Yogi? What is your point, anyhow? Even if what you said was true, I still don’t think the answer is a wall with a big beautiful door.

        I would talk with anyone who has experienced something tragic and would like me to listen. Preferably face-to-face.

        • October 24, 2016 at 3:26 pm
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          YOU go collect public records that support my statement of facts. I’m busy with important matters, and not being your servant and edifier.

          • October 24, 2016 at 5:23 pm
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            Just be honest and say you can’t support your claim. It’s okay. A majority of us, though, will provide sources when we make our claims. You see, we do the homework FIRST, then post and provide the source. I believe it is how we were all taught to write term papers.

          • October 24, 2016 at 10:12 pm
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            Go argue with someone who cares to waste their time by searching for things you can find by yourself.

            There is no rule that says anyone has to post links to sustain their reasonable claims.

          • October 25, 2016 at 8:54 am
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            That’s right, Yogi. But, I’m talking about supporting unreasonable claims like the ones you often make.

            Hey Rick, go get my axe. Go get my axe, Rick!

          • October 25, 2016 at 9:03 am
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            Here’s how to find links by yourself;

            use an internet search engine.

            ask a Russian hacker who’s trying to rig the election by using emails and transcripts of Hillary. What puzzles me is why Hillary ever hit the red reset button with Putin / Medvedev.

            ask an adult upstairs for help finding such a link. :)

          • October 25, 2016 at 11:31 am
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            Yogi,
            Didn’t you just see what happened? Think about what could still happen. Go get my axe!

      • October 25, 2016 at 11:29 am
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        Because we love our IJ censors:

        I imagine you’ve collected the public records that support your claim, Yogi? What is your point, anyhow? Even if what you said was true, I still don’t think the answer is a wall with a big beautiful door.

        I would talk with anyone who has experienced something tragic and would like me to listen. Preferably face-to-face.

    • October 24, 2016 at 4:29 pm
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      Censors are working at it again:

      Brian DePalma is working on a follow up to his acclaimed “Scarface”. I saw the promotional poster today:

      In the fall of 2016, he campaigned with a video showing Syrian refugees escaping and suggested to us all they were illegal Mexicans flooding the United States. He said they were coming to rape American people.

      He promised a wall with a big beautiful door paid for by Mexico. He spoke about his wealth, power, and passion beyond his wildest dreams.

      He was Don The Alleged Raper. The world will remember him by another name…
      ORANGEFACE

      • October 28, 2016 at 9:13 am
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        Censors, censors, everywhere:

        Brian DePalma is working on a follow up to his acclaimed “Scarface”. I saw the promotional poster today:

        In the fall of 2016, he campaigned with a video showing Syrian refugees escaping and suggested to us all they were illegal Mexicans flooding the United States. He said they were coming to rape American people.

        He promised a wall with a big beautiful door paid for by Mexico. He spoke about his wealth, power, and passion beyond his wildest dreams.

        He was Don The Alleged Raper. The world will remember him by another name…
        ORANGEFACE

  • October 23, 2016 at 9:14 pm
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    Can’t Access it.
    Can’t Afford it.

    CA-CA.

    • October 24, 2016 at 5:37 pm
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      DePolar, HOT OFF THE PRESS! Just today, the Obama Administration said that premium renewals of it’s vaunted Obamacare will rise by double digits across the nation. In some places, by over 100% like in Arizona. Oops! Too bad at election time for Democrats who supported it.

      • October 24, 2016 at 10:13 pm
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        Not really too hot off the presses for anyone who has been watching the death spiral gather momentum over the last two years.

  • October 24, 2016 at 10:21 am
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    Obama also thinks he’s the best president our country ever had.

    • October 24, 2016 at 3:13 pm
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      Patticake, I think he actually said he was up there with Lincoln as the best President. He just had a little downer when the mid terms rolled out after passage of this disaster and had to admit they got “shellacked”. Something about him not explaining his plan clearly enough after 28 major speeches trying to sell it. The arrogant one just thought he could lie to America and everyone would instantly be on board with it. Not so much.

  • October 24, 2016 at 10:27 am
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    Is anyone else seeing a pattern with Hillary here? “It was a video tape” It’s the Russian’s who are hacking our election”. I cannot wait until that…um…woman…gets TROUNCED!!

    • October 25, 2016 at 8:59 am
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      “The Russians are hacking.”
      “It’s Bush’s fault.”
      “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy against my husband and me.”
      “Bimbos. alternately: Bimbo Eruption.”
      “Just a failed lounge singer seeking publicity.”
      “I can’t remember.”
      “I don’t recall.”
      “What difference, at this point, does it make?”
      “Those were just yoga and wedding discussion emails.”
      “Wiped it? Like with a cloth?”
      etc.

      The above is a sign of paranoia, …. or guilt.
      Or both.

      • October 25, 2016 at 10:04 am
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        Hey DePolar, if Hilliary’s memory is so bad, how did she manage to write her memoirs and collect several million for it? I think it is called selective memory. By the way, she has no guilt or shame for anything she has done over the years. That is the mark of a serial Progressive Democratic liar. By the way, she wants to expand Obamacare, not shelve it and start over.

  • October 25, 2016 at 8:54 am
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    TO ALL LIBERALS POSTING IN THIS THREAD ABOUT OBAMACARE:

    If you want links from conservatives to prove their points, please do not say “Wikileaks, Project Veritas, Fox, Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly, Assange, etc. is/ are biased against Clinton, Obama, etc.”

    …if you can’t provide LINKS that prove so.

    Thank you for your anticipated cooperation in these matters of civil discussion and debate of key social and economic issues facing US voters.

    • October 25, 2016 at 1:37 pm
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      I would like to add Amendment 1 to your “civil discussion” post.

      Say a policyholder claims their original Van Gogh painting was stolen. The insurance carrier is not responsible to find evidence that supports or refutes the insured’s claim. It is the policyholder who must prove they actually owned it.

      Same with “facts” that are posted here. If you claim something is true and you’re asked for supports, the onus is on you to prove it. It’s not the other party’s responsibility to find your source material.

      Amendment 1 language: He who claims something is true and is asked to support their stance must provide their links instead of saying something like “you have the internet – you go find it.”

      • October 25, 2016 at 2:43 pm
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        Confused, what good would a link do with you? Bob has given you reams of links to prove his point and you reject all of them. Speaking of civil discussion, when are you going to get on your running mate Actu about his swearing and ugly remarks? By the way, Bob tried to be nice to you and you don’t give him an ounce of respect.

        • October 25, 2016 at 3:41 pm
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          1) Sarcastic thanks for opening with an insult. That really helped keep this ‘civil discussion’ thing on track. End sarcasm.

          2) I have not rejected all of bob’s links.

          3) For many months earlier this year, I posted dozens of times that “I think personal attacks and insults have no place on this blog and it should stop immediately”. That was the phrase you suggested I use.

          I called everyone out by name including UW and every other “liberal” poster as well as “conservative” ones. You then demanded I stop doing it because I’m not the Insurance Journal police, so I stopped per your request.

          You’re complaining I no longer do the thing you told me I needed to stop doing. Please read that sentence again.

          4) Please let bob speak for himself. If bob says he has a respect issue with me, I’ll discuss with him….not you.

          5) Let’s get back on topic.

          Amendment 1: He who claims something is true and is asked to support their stance must provide their links instead of saying something like “you have the internet – you go find it.”

          Do you agree with that Amendment?

          • October 25, 2016 at 5:11 pm
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            Bob tells us all that he gets no respect which includes you and your fellow minions. I have a lot of respect for him for making the effort to educate you and others, but I told him he was trying in vain.

            How about that Actu? Is he nasty or what? Swearing on an insurance blog? You have been guilty of it as well and UW as well. Clean up your act.

            As far as your Amendment, we know you have some issues with Google and can’t seem to find anything readily available. As far as DePolar goes and your running battle with him, he is within his rights not to provide anything to you. All you have to say is that you disagree with him and leave it at that. We aren’t here to provide links to liberals who are so one sided, they have no idea what right from wrong is.

          • October 26, 2016 at 9:42 am
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            1) Please let bob speak for himself. If bob says he has a respect issue with me, I’ll discuss with him….not you.

            “We aren’t here to provide links…”

            Fine. Then don’t post “facts” you can’t support and complain when people call you out for making up information which you can’t prove to be true.

          • October 26, 2016 at 1:32 pm
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            Deplorables:

            When I mention not getting respect I’m mostly talking leftists, which is not all of society, as well as more personal areas of life. I’m not so much talking here, though I’m emoting here for affect.

            Yes. Planet and UW and ACTU don’t give me respect.

            Ron should nick name himself confused (as in the word, not the person here) as he is the next level of that. I don’t find him to be a leftist that doesn’t give me respect, just annoying.

            I would say the people here that don’t give respect are mostly limited to those folks.

            Bantering and arguing happens, but there are a few here that make a point of just arguing all the darn time.

            It exhausts me.

            Confused every now and again makes a point I like. It just hasn’t happened lately due to all these blasted political arguments which are partly due to the election and partly due to the types of articles here lately.

            I would rather have a break from it and find something to agree with Confused on again.

    • October 27, 2016 at 2:51 pm
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      DePolar, the Democrats should hide Joe Biden away somewhere until the end of the election. You know how their theme has been how badly Trump treats women? Today, Biden said lazy women should go back to work and Hilliary will make sure they go back to work.

      Biden is the Democrats worst nightmare and a serial pervert as well. Remember when the new Secretary of Defense was making his little speech after appointment? Sneaky Joe came up behind the wife, started fondling her and whispering sweet nothings in her ear and on national TV at that. No shame at all.

      • October 27, 2016 at 3:10 pm
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        You’re regurgitating lies again. He NEVER said anything about women being lazy. Just that some women can’t afford to go back to work because of the high cost of childcare.

        Please watch the video before you reply on this topic because clearly you haven’t watched it yet — if you did, you’d know he never said what you claim he did.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QC5-2cwjcU&feature=youtu.be

        • October 27, 2016 at 3:56 pm
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          If it is any indication of the fact that I don’t like this on either side I have to say the following:

          I am familiar with this quote, I am also familiar with the context as well as some conservatives who pointed it out as a lazy type of aspect.

          And you are correct here. I wish conservatives and liberals would not focus on these tabloid style quotes as it is.

          I prefer policies.

          • October 27, 2016 at 4:48 pm
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            This is not directed at anyone in particular – this is a general comment as a follow-up to bob’s reply.

            It pains me when people are fed lies by the media (yes, this happens all the time from both liberal and conservative outlets) and people latch onto the headline without reviewing the source material to see if the info being fed to them is accurate or not.

            (back to talking to Agent)
            This is why I keep asking you to provide links to support your posts when you say “I read it online” or “I heard it somewhere”, which you refuse to do.

            Just because you read or heard it doesn’t make it true, especially when there are SO many sources out there that lie and twist the truth around.

          • October 27, 2016 at 5:43 pm
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            Confused:

            I agree. Links to support posts as well as how we digest the info is needed. This is why I’ve tried to alter my own posts to be more data oriented and explanatory. I have to admit fault here, the reason Ron has never believed what I have said about Reagan and other aspects is because I’ve never given him evidence properly. I’ve given decent evidence, but not like I am now showing who sponsored the bills. This is also why I told UW it is on him to prove his points to me. I’m basically begging this guy to give me his info. If he has info, I want to read it.

            I have to say on at least one positive people who do argue like that tick me off enough to make me want to include even more sources when I argue.

            That’s a positive I guess?

      • October 28, 2016 at 9:51 am
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        That is from a satire peace, genius. Or for your, since you won’t know what that means: it is fake.

        Confused, honestly with Agent you don’t need links, just search what he said and the first few sites are almost always fact checking sites agreeing unanimously it is an outright lie.

        Like Trump, all he knows is what he head on the Internet.

        • October 28, 2016 at 11:27 am
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          I hear ya UW, and I don’t want to open a can of worms here, but posting links with those replies helps me avoid being told I don’t post/argue things correctly. I do it more to avoid one of those conversations than I do actually hoping he will finally click a link and watch/read something (because he already said he’d never click a link posted on this site no matter what)

  • October 26, 2016 at 10:06 am
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    Bob has been speaking to you for a long time without respect from you. Why are you so ignorant about the world, what goes on and need links to prove it? All you have to do is observe like all of us that have common sense and know right from wrong. Blame should go to your parents for not teaching you these concepts.

    • October 26, 2016 at 10:40 am
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      Please let bob speak for himself. If bob says he has a respect issue with me, I’ll discuss with him….not you.

      As for the rest of your post, I refuse to reply to your off-topic insults in your attempt to derail the conversation away from Yogi’s try at having more civil discussions around these parts.

      • October 26, 2016 at 1:34 pm
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        I do have to take responsibility for the times I have mistakenly disrespected Confused Deplorables. And I have.

        He does a good job of still debating with me regardless, even if he missteps himself.

        I don’t believe confused defaults to disrespect. The type I was talking about as is was quite a bit different.

        • October 26, 2016 at 4:46 pm
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          Bob, I do respect you for holding the leftists feet to the fire and not letting them get away with their Progressive rants that have no basis in fact. When they don’t win the argument, they fall back into name calling as they always do, (remember Libby)? That moniker stood for Libby the Liberal and she was a real piece of work. Celtica runs her a close race.

          We don’t always see eye to eye on everything since you proclaim yourself to be a moderate and I am a died in the wool Conservative. In my view, moderates let the leftists get away with far too much. This is why the country is going down. I am going to cut you some slack knowing what part of the country you are in. Washington State is beautiful, but I wouldn’t want to live there with all the crazies you put up with all the time. Hope your office is infested with too many of them.

          • October 26, 2016 at 4:48 pm
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            Correction. Hope your office is “not” infected with too many of them.

        • October 28, 2016 at 3:14 pm
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          Bob, as long as we are talking about responsibility, there is a wonderful program for youth in this country called FirstTee.org which teaches not only golf, but Honesty, Personal Responsibility and Judgment. Too bad more kids are not enrolled in it. The ones that do graduate from it become fine citizens, go to college and make something of themselves. How is that for a link?

          • October 28, 2016 at 3:40 pm
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            I thought you didn’t like college. Something about liberal professors or some other off base rant. I will agree, The First Tee is a good program.

          • October 28, 2016 at 3:45 pm
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            Agent, as long as we are talking about responsibility, would you like to take responsibility for twice posting lies about what Biden said about women?

          • October 28, 2016 at 4:05 pm
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            I don’t care what Biden says about women, I don’t care what people say Trump says about women.

            I don’t like tabloid style arguments.

            Agent, if you want to win with confused then use some data oriented arguments.

      • October 26, 2016 at 1:34 pm
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        In fact, Confused, I have to apologize, I mocked you here after getting ticked off with what was going on.

        That was disrespectful and I apologize…

        • October 26, 2016 at 1:49 pm
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          Apology accepted. After all, nobody is right 100% of the time.

      • October 26, 2016 at 1:35 pm
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        I guess what I should add here is that if we attack our potential allies here, we will have nothing but enemies.

      • October 26, 2016 at 1:47 pm
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        I appreciate your replies and letting Agent know he was wrong to say (multiple times) that I show you no respect. Agent – I hope you now understand why I kept asking you not to speak for Bob.

        • October 26, 2016 at 2:59 pm
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          Confused, you have a long way to go. Good luck in your search for the truth. Apparently, you only have respect for Bob. You should show similar respect for Conservatives like myself, DePolar, Jack, FFA, Patticake and anyone else that posts a different viewpoint than you do. You could also disavow the now infamous Captain Planet, Actu and a few other leftists that use vulgar language and personal attacks. They have nothing but hate to spew.

          • October 26, 2016 at 4:38 pm
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            So you could’ve just said “i was wrong – bob doesn’t think you disrespect him like i said 3 times” but you just have to keep on attacking.

            I already said I refuse to reply to your off-topic insults in your attempt to derail the conversation away from Yogi’s try at having more civil discussions around these parts. but here you are attacking and poking me when I’m trying to keep things away from that hole of negativity.

            you get on my case for things you already brought up [me needing to tell others how they post is wrong] which I already responded to by saying You’re complaining I no longer do the thing you told me I needed to stop doing.

            Maybe you’ll reply without attacking and insulting, and maybe you can swallow a tiny bit of your pride to admit you were wrong for once. I hope so. Like I said, nobody is correct 100% of the time. Actually, that’s a great test.

            Agent – without getting into any details, have you EVER been wrong in your life before? Even just once. A simple yes or no will suffice. You’ve messed up before, right? You don’t think you’re infallible, do you?

          • October 26, 2016 at 4:58 pm
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            Confused, you are about to go off the deep end again. You could have read Bob’s post that he “gets no respect on this forum”. That includes everyone that disrespects him, hates him, posts negative posts against him, down votes his comments over and over.

            As you already know since you participated in it for the past few years, I have been the victim of moniker theft, mocked, insulted, down voted unmercifully. How would you feel if that happened to you? Yes, I stood up for myself since I am a Conservative and we never give in. Am I infallible, no. Am I right on the issues, yes I am. I have yet to see you comment that UW, Planet, Actu are actually wrong or call them out when they insult, swear, mock. Be a man and stand up to them for a change and we will get along better.

          • October 26, 2016 at 5:15 pm
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            YOU said **I** do not respect him. You called ME out specifically.

            “How would you feel if that happened to you?”
            Except for posting under my name, YOU have done ALL of that to me. You know what I do? I refuse to reply to your off-topic insults in your attempt to derail the conversation

            “Am I infallible, no.”
            Yay!

            “I have yet to see you comment…”
            Either you are a liar or you don’t remember. I’d like to believe the latter. I did this for months then you complained I was doing it too much and you told me to stop.

            You demanded I do something, so I did it, then you complain it was too much and demanded I stop, so I did, but then you complain later that I’ve never done it at all.

            C’mon man. Stop waffling.

          • October 28, 2016 at 4:37 pm
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            You’ve constantly called gay and trans people perverts, you are no different than the bots they program in twitter to tweet hate speech. Fuck you Agent, people should not give you respect, because you deserve none.

        • October 26, 2016 at 3:29 pm
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          Thank you confused, that means a good deal to me.

          I have to say UW has me a bit riled up as I have tried to calm things down.

          I’m a little tired of being called a murder, sexual assault supporter, and other things.

          If I ever go off on you it’s largely to do with putting up with that tar on a regular basis.

          Bleck.

          • October 26, 2016 at 6:01 pm
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            Confused, there is a good reason why you have been in my dog house numerous times over the past few years. Now that you won’t let it go and move on, you are now officially in it again. See you in the Spring if I notice any change in how you post. Bob, if you are reading this, good luck.

          • October 27, 2016 at 8:05 am
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            “Now that you won’t let it go and move on”

            I won’t let WHAT go? I won’t move on from WHAT exactly?

          • October 28, 2016 at 5:22 pm
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            IJ, are you catching the language of actu, the filthy mouthed troll? It is there right in front of you.

  • October 27, 2016 at 7:17 am
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    For all the libbies who repeatedly ask for links to substantiate the claims of conservatives, this is all you will need for the next few weeks and 4 years;

    https://wikileaks.org/

    You’re Welcome!

    • October 28, 2016 at 12:22 pm
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      DePolar, thank God for Wikileaks. A few years ago, Assange was called every name in the books including traitor. Now that he has revealed the Democrats for who they are, what they have done, he is approaching hero status with everyone who has a brain and knows right from wrong.

      Ok Libbies, you can now down vote me 200 times.

  • October 27, 2016 at 7:19 am
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    It’s 4th down and long yardage to go for the ACA.

    Ready.
    Set.
    Rate Hike!

    • October 27, 2016 at 10:31 am
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      DePolar, your humor is priceless. Obama is the Chicago Bears of the political world. Can’t run, can’t pass, can’t stop anything anymore, can’t win for losing. I would say the ACA is 4th and 99 to go. He was trying to say yesterday that the massive rate hikes are not his fault. Must be those greedy carriers wanting to stay in business I suppose.

    • October 27, 2016 at 3:31 pm
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      Hyuuuuge rate hikes! On those who can least afford them.

      Here comes the Trump blitz, right up the middle…

      • October 27, 2016 at 4:37 pm
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        No wonder the Bears have two quarterbacks injured at the same time. Forfeit the season and Obama should forfeit this law since it is the worst legislation in history.

      • October 27, 2016 at 6:02 pm
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        DePolar, how about another zinger to go home on? Today, wikileaks has story about the Clinton campaign eager to please the now infamous Communist George Soros. He is the grand puppet master pulling all the strings and he will continue to pull them if she is elected.

    • October 28, 2016 at 4:27 pm
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      Thank goodness we don’t have to hear OMAHA, OMAHA from Peyton Manning this year. Now he is selling pizza. Good second career, right?



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