Sounds like President-elect Trump is advocating for some form of Universal Health Care. I will await the details, but this sounds like something I can support.
Universal health care isn’t what’s needed. We needed a high risk pool for those with pre-existing conditions. What we didn’t need was to nuke the whole system.
Universal Health Care provides, by far, the most solutions to complaints regarding our current health care/insurance issues.
-Maximize negotiating with pharmaceutical companies
-Eliminate high deductibles
-Eliminate government administration of health care )Medicare, medicaid and VA)
-Eliminate out-of-network confusion and higher costs
-Every citizen is covered
-Encourage early retirement to open up higher paying jobs
-Employers no longer need to provide
-Encourage worker mobility will lead to increased wages
>Apparently, you DIDN’T heed the message sent by voters on 11/8.
That they wanted Clinton to be president, and therefore to keep The ACA? The votes of the country show that millions more people preferred her, so it’s odd you are arguing the opposite and supporting policies that go against what the people said with their votes.
TrumPolar, I just got back from lunch and clicked on this story and already 98 comments, mostly from the left. What a bunch of sore losers. In two days and about 9 hours, the long national nightmare will be over.
January 17, 2017 at 3:17 pm
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I don’t think “mostly” means what you think it means.
98 comments — 50 just by trumpolarbear
Yogi has posted over 1/2 the comments so far. More than 50% of the posts are from ONE right-winger.
Pretty sure “most” of the comments here are from the right since more than half of them came just from Yogi.
January 17, 2017 at 7:31 pm
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@Confused;
I’m posing again. What’s my count now?
January 19, 2017 at 2:11 pm
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“I don’t think “mostly” means what you think it means.”
I think you just acted like a smart a@@.
I think you know what he meant. Numerically, there are more liberals commenting. That is what he meant.
One person spamming does not equate to a majority of the people commenting any more than one person producing 50 comments about healthcare makes that one person’s comment the majority conservative opinion when discussing opinions among 100 people, and you’re damn well aware of this confused.
I left here after you bullies went full on, but I see now I’m needed because morons like you continue the same bull@#%@ brigade on this site.
January 19, 2017 at 2:38 pm
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Bob,
If that is what Agent meant, he would have stated as such by now.
If you spent less time interpreting what people meant and listening to what they actually said, we would be able to hold intelligent debates based on facts and not rhetoric.
What is needed is more civility from everyone, not more policing from you. You trend to throw fuel on the fire.
January 19, 2017 at 3:17 pm
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Confused and Ron, make sure to update the dictionaries on your phones, it has beem Declared that words have new meanings to fit the incoherent ramblings of idiots.
Also, depending on the person making the claim these new words either have to be strictly adhered to with exact precision, or interpreted based on what the idiot meant.
January 19, 2017 at 7:13 pm
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Yet another attempt to take something not related, attach it to something else, in order to state opinions.
You could have just source quoted the law’s actual approval rating.
Or which, it has consistently been something people didn’t want.
Or you know, you can keep doing the association game you do, calling Trump supporters bigots, sexual predators, and what not.
Either or. Dumb ass.
January 20, 2017 at 11:29 am
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A lot of people oppose it from the left because it’s not single-payer universal health care.
Trump supporters are largely bigots. Trump is an admitted sexual assaulter, as are you, but not all Trump supporters, although they were willing to overlook it.
January 17, 2017 at 7:30 pm
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RE-Posted to circumvent Libitteral BOTs attempting to CENSOR Conservative opinions;
“Eliminate high deductibles”
LOL at such a foolish statement. Who pays for the greater coverage? Taxpayers.
Apparently, you DIDN’T heed the message sent by voters on 11/8.
The difference Trump to Hillary was minimal in overall votes.
Apparently you have failed to see that people have not supported democrat policies for some time, it is just that the democrats lie and bullshit, and twist things to make it social suicide to vote for them.
Are you kind hearted and open minded? Vote democrat!
That’s how the operate.
As I just showed above, the majority of people have been against the ACA for some time, and, as I have shown again and again, the majority of people do not know what the replacement plans were.
And the others, (you) claim that the CBO projections were wrong and you know better.
Wonderfully intelligent.
January 20, 2017 at 11:30 am
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Over 3,000,000 votes is a pretty substantial margin in modern politics, idiot.
January 20, 2017 at 1:29 pm
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You’d think someone as smart as bob would know a 10 PERCENTAGE POINT change is not “not statistically significant” as he claimed in another article. Not entirely sure I believe him when he said he scored so high on his SAT’s that they forced him to retake the test.
January 20, 2017 at 1:31 pm
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Clarifying edit: reference to the 10% point change was not about the popular vote – it was a comment he made on different article.
January 20, 2017 at 3:30 pm
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Really it could be on any topic. A 1-2% change is basically guaranteed to be statistically significant when the sample size is tens of millions.
January 21, 2017 at 4:59 am
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Why would you expect Bob to know this, have you seen any of the “studies” he posts, looked at any example where people checked his math, or read any of his writings on statistics? Ha, if he’s writing about statistics it is wrong.
January 16, 2017 at 12:00 pm
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I’m confused on why high risk pools are the answer. Is it because we can lower health insurance rates for the healthy and then print money & raise the deficit to cover those in the high risk pools (the patients certainly aren’t footing the bill). Just a shell game and Obamacare in a different format. I’ll believe real change is coming when there’s an effort to address costs.
THERE ARE efforts to reduce costs. Wait and you will see MAN such efforts in Republican plans. ACA did NOT try to reduce costs for EVERYONE. It subsidized high cost risks by raisng premiums for those who pay, to subsidize those who did NOT pay.
Reduced costs will be done is several ways; e.g. drug cost negotiations (already in the news), and tort reform regarding medical malpractice liability. Novel ideas will be introduced. A major change is also part of one (set of ) plan(s) proposed.
The only novel idea we need to control healthcare costs is to stop allowing hospitals and medical specialist from charging whatever price they want in order to line their own pockets. Healthcare should not be a “for profit” industry. It isn’t like the patient-consumer can go shopping elsewhere for an appendectomy, or wait for a sale. The Government needs to negotiate prices for ALL healthcare, not just drugs.
January 16, 2017 at 7:36 pm
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You ^ obviously don’t understand market equilibrium dynamics.
January 16, 2017 at 7:37 pm
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… or risk & reward.
You must be a ‘Bernie Comrade’.
Feeling Berned by Hill?
January 16, 2017 at 10:10 pm
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Trum Polar Bear, hmmmmmm the “drug cost negotiations” you say are good sounds like price controls to me! Are you sure YOU aren’t the “socialist”? Why would you not be willing to negotiate the prices of medical procedures if it is okay to negotiate drug prices? Also, you say the “ACA subsidized high cost risks by raising premiums for those who pay”, and yet that is exactly what you say the Trump plan will do. You said, people who voluntarily buy insurance will pay the subsidy cost of the high risk pool. Huh? The only difference I see between the ACA and your plan is that there would be fewer people pitching in under your plan. I don’t understand your logic. When it is part of ACA it is bad, when it is part of the Trump plan it is good. Think about what you are saying.
January 16, 2017 at 11:06 pm
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If you knew what is going on in DC and NYC, re: ACA replacement, especially in regard to drug costs, you wouldn’t be blabbering about ‘price controls’.
‘Negotiations’ are not ‘price controls’.
Costs can be controlled by analysis of their components and through competition leading to innovation.
Drugs brought to the market more quickly, such as is the case in Can-a-duh, will cost less as competition drives down the costs thereafter.
Further, costs of health care include such things as utilities, labor, leases of facility premises, property insurance, liability (malpractice) insurance, etc, etc.
Thanks for the softball pitch.
January 17, 2017 at 7:32 pm
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Re-posted to reply to Jean, after it was BOTTED by libitterals;
You ^ obviously don’t understand market equilibrium dynamics.
January 23, 2017 at 7:06 pm
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You hit the nail on the head. The high cost of RX is killing everyone and the double dipping by the insurers charging the people for the ability to buy the Rx with their Ins card. The layering of this is crazy. The DRUG Companies charge the PBA charges the insurance carrier and the insurance carrier charges the insured?? Too much FAT Plus the crazy cost of the hospital care where an aspirin can cost $10 and soap and wash cloth can cost $40, we know where the big Fat is. Administrators for hospitals, the specialists AND the horrible lawyers that love the malpractice settlements. In NYC its a lottery for the poor and a BIG FAT PAY CK for the lawyers. Tort reform should be a priority. We represent doctors who need to buy insane priced malpractice coverage bc we are so sue conscience in this country. And why is that bc the lawyers tell us this everyday, we can’t settle a case without them or the insurance companies will take advantage of us. I just spoke with someone from Europe who says lawsuits are very uncommon there bc if you sue and you lose you pay for both lawyers and the time etc. Lets start at the Malpractice, Rx, Hospital, Surgical and Testing spaces first. You will see premiums go down. Lobbyists are not our friends. Do you see big bucks being made by agents these days who manage and take care of those who cannot make sense of Medicare, or any insurance for that matter? The gov’t pays navigators $14 or $15 per hour and every individual is directed to the website of the insurance co bc they are not agents. Our agents and brokers insurance lobbyists have done us no good AND I am sick and tired of hearing about politicians who are only in this for the power. Lets give the Crazy Business Guy we now call POTUS a chance.
January 16, 2017 at 12:44 pm
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Also; high risk pools are not the EXCLUSIVE answer. Unlike ACA authors, the current proposal authors are making good efforts to SOLVE problems rather than SUBSIDIZE costs thru taxes and mandates.
I most certainly do understand economics and market equilibrium. Unfortunately you don’t understand that healthcare needs are not something that is price sensitive. When you have to have a commodity or die, the consumer will pay any price. The people selling healthcare know that, and have no incentive to lower prices. Healthcare is a unique commodity that is not subject to the usual rules of economic science. Surely you can see that needing a heart transplant, is different than needing new carpet.Right?
January 16, 2017 at 11:13 pm
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Ahem; competition driven through advanced consumer information about alternatives will drive down costs.
Your Socialism-poisoned mind must be stuck on a ‘Single-Payer’ system, with an inability to consider any other possibility. That train left the station back in early November, 2016.
And please stop the lame ‘…or will die’ hysteria sh%&. No one with an IQ greater than the temperature in Washington DC in degrees Celsius is going to fall for it.
January 17, 2017 at 2:25 pm
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There is no competition driving down costs when you are in the hospital and get charged $20 for an aspirin. That is not free market.
January 17, 2017 at 8:27 pm
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That is true.
What makes you think that will be allowed to continue when TrumPresident repeals ACA and replaces it with a free market solution with increased competition and cost control methods?
January 17, 2017 at 8:28 pm
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@Jean; You can SAY you understand market equilibrium dynamics all you want. That doesn’t make it so, especially after you wrote what you wrote.
January 19, 2017 at 3:28 pm
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Jean, FYI, polar, aka Yogi here is a noted liar. He rants about statistics and economics all the time, and claimed to have a degree in statistics but he was unable to answer simple questions about basic confidence intervals or basic regression analysis. He also doesn’t understand basic probability concepts like a wider risk pool to spread risk. His knowledge on economics is less than zero.
January 17, 2017 at 3:41 pm
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Young Mr. Confused, you will find that TrumPolar is pretty hard to shut down by your buddies no matter how many down votes he gets. Just wait until Bob weighs in and see what happens.
Daft Agent, you said “98 comments, [are] mostly from the left.”
Can you admit if more than 50% of the comments are from ONE right-winger, even if we don’t include all the other posts by right-wingers, that means all the posts from the left could not constitute “most” of those 98 comments?
January 18, 2017 at 7:22 am
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my comment count rises when Libitterals use their BOTs to censor the first postings of my thoughts.
And, we all need to be edified about the replacement plans, many of which I have read or have heard about second-hand.
You have the option to NOT read these comment boards. Consider it.
January 16, 2017 at 2:39 pm
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Anybody arguing for high risk pools doesn’t understand insurance, it is that simple.
Trump has a plan, but he can’t share it with his enemies or they will know how he plans to attack them, unfortunately his enemies here are the US people. How many times do the Trumpkins and the press need to fall for his “I have a plan I’m releasing soon,” or his claims about a big announcement coming that never shows up before they catch on?
Labeling something that takes 5 seconds to read as “wordy” helps explain your intelligence, political ideology, and how (un)informed you are on seemingly every topic. Also, it doesn’t do anything to refute the content. Trump University education at work.
January 16, 2017 at 7:38 pm
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Few people care what you think about me or other matters.
January 16, 2017 at 7:40 pm
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I’m going to petition IJ for an ‘ignore’ button more aggressively going forward.
January 16, 2017 at 9:25 pm
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As always, 1 comment, and then trolling and ignoring the topic by Yogi. No content, no intelligence, no brains, no education. Sad!
January 16, 2017 at 11:15 pm
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Further, NO ONE gives a SH*# what you say anymore. You’ve been proven wrong by results of many high risk pools operating to equitably share high risk policy portfolios.
January 17, 2017 at 12:28 am
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A risk pool doesn’t have portfolios, idiot. That is an investment tool, not an actuarial tool for managing premiums and claims. You aren’t competent to work in insurance. You said you were a broker, right?
January 17, 2017 at 8:21 am
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UW; high risk pools worked BEFORE ACA and they will work again.
Your side lost because they failed with their attempt at Socialism and stupid ideas that have already been proven to fail in Socialist / Communist countries; e.g. USSR, Venezuela, Greece, etc.
January 17, 2017 at 9:20 am
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HRPs don’t have policy portfolios?
Go back to school, millennial! Try another profession.
January 17, 2017 at 10:37 am
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Cite 5 of these that have worked long term.
January 17, 2017 at 7:33 pm
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@UW:
Further, NO ONE gives a SH*# what you say anymore. You’ve been proven wrong by results of many high risk pools operating to equitably share high risk policy portfolios.
January 18, 2017 at 7:26 am
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@actu; find them by asking a person in your insurance company. If you don’t work for an insurance company, you shouldn’t be criticizing what you don’t understand or can’t learn through fellow employees.
Why FIVE examples? If I list FOUR, does that invalidate the claim?
Regardless; pick any five states with WC assigned risk pools.
January 19, 2017 at 3:33 pm
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No, idiot, I haven’t. You can’t just claim something as fact and make it so, especially with your record of being a cretinous, uneducated, liar. Your citation in the thread is to go ask coworkers. Give me a break, your are a clown, stick to cartoons, circle jerking with Agent, and crying for Lying Bob to save you, idiot.
January 17, 2017 at 3:09 pm
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It needed to be nuked and will be shortly. Stay tuned.
1. Universal Healthcare is not necessarily Socialized medicine.
2. How would you interpret “insurance for everyone”, regardless of one’s ability to pay for it? That is what President-elect Trump said, not me.
Celtica, was that you we saw taken off the airplane for ranting the Socialist agenda? As you were taken off, the other passengers were giving you the business with USA, USA, USA, USA.
Actually, it is based on President-elect Trump’s own words, “We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
How else should “insurance for everybody” be interpreted?
‘Health care for everyone’ means people without financial means to pay get HEALTH CARE that is paid by subsidies allocated by POOLS that were used successfully in the past, and whihc will be used successfully again.
POOOOOOOL participants, who will collect the needed money from payers like me.
This is called ‘subsidization’. Search for it on Al Gore’s internet.
January 16, 2017 at 11:00 am
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Only people who BUY insurance will pay the subsidies for those who cannot pay.
Mnadates are NOT part of the plan.
January 16, 2017 at 11:02 am
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BOTs will not pay subsidies. BOTs are inanimate software devices to censor opinion of opponents. BOTs are not used by those who can debate with logic and facts, and who are not hypocrites.
January 16, 2017 at 11:04 am
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If BOTs become ‘sick’, they will be repaired by Geeks, not doctors and other medical providers. BOTs do not get geek repair services for free.
January 16, 2017 at 12:47 pm
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Do I need to get in touch with my key IT guy, to offset BOTting censorship by libitterals?
Reply if you are a conservative who is fed up with childish behavior of libitterals who cannot debate with facts, data and logic, and revert to censorship.
January 16, 2017 at 6:38 pm
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“Who cannot afford healthcare” means what? Do you have to sell your house, spend all of your 401K retirement savings, empty your bank accounts, and basically be bankrupt before the high premium pool will subsidize your healthcare costs that are insanely high because a persons had the dumb luck of getting cancer and has to pay Big Pharm lots of money in the form of profits for their treatment? We had that before the ACA – high risk pools were asset-based and that is how people ended up living on the streets when they got sick. They had to go broke before they could afford healthcare. The ACA provided free preventative care – catching diseases early before they turned into really big expensive problems was how health care costs were going to be reduced. ACA was on the right track, they just needed to finish the job by setting price controls on fees charged for healthcare like the rest of the civilized world.
January 16, 2017 at 7:42 pm
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Other lines of insurance have resolved issues with high cost risks in the past.
Health insurers didn’t previously have incentive to resolve high cost risks or overall high costs. Now they do.
And high risk pools worked for HI in the past, before ACA and the ACA-holes in the White House and Obama Regime interfered with them.
January 16, 2017 at 11:17 pm
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reposted because childish libitterals can’t stand facts that oppose their positions:
If BOTs become ‘sick’, they will be repaired by Geeks, not doctors and other medical providers. BOTs do not get geek repair services for free.
January 17, 2017 at 10:54 am
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Yogi has lost it, the right-wing propaganda he reads, and maybe even starting to realize he voted for a compromised, lying, nut (but probably not, I suspect he was one of the 35% that supported Bush to the end) has already started making him explode.
Assigned risk won’t work here because there is no benefit to taking the risky pool. There are no market-based solutions here so your pretend smart guy line about market equilibrium doesn’t hold up. People cannot opt out of the market for health care,therefore there is no free market and actual equilibrium cannot exist. They could get close to it, but the fact id that too many people cannot afford health care without direct subsidies.
Your solution seems to be to have high risk pools, and the people in that pool will pay more. What about the huge number of people who cannot afford it? Drug price competition and generics will help, but that won’t keep any conpanies in those pools, it is almost the textbook examole of how you would design an immediate death spiral. The reality is with the aging population in the US the health insurance market was already in a death spiral or close to it even before the ACA.
Explain how a risk pool of mostly poorer, elderly, risky consumers decreases premiums with constant, almost exponential risk, claims and costs. It is moronic from start to finish, you don’t understand insurance, statistics or economics. You should have gotten a real degree instead of making up one.
January 18, 2017 at 7:35 am
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@UW; you have no idea of the innovations involved in pools and other methodology. It’s been kept secret because some elements are proprietary.
Your side lost. Your side can’t “find out what’s in it” until it is introduced as a SERIES of bills, state and federal.
Assigned risk pools will be run differently. Companies will be able to use them to reduce their risks. Risk takers will be willing to ‘invest’ in the pools. You are clueless about the new approach because it hasn’t been revealed or discussed publicly.
January 16, 2017 at 6:45 pm
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Pools were never successful for the working middle class. If you had any assets at all, you couldn’t get pool subsidies until you were bankrupt. They may have worked for the very poor, but they drove many middle class families into bankruptcy. Is that the solution? Put thousands of middle class families out on the street?
How about having the drug companies, medical equipment manufacturers, hospitals, and medical practices subsidize the high risk pools out of their profits? Now that would be equitable since they are the ones driving up the costs of healthcare in the first place.
January 16, 2017 at 7:43 pm
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How about YOU move to a Socialist country where that ‘stupid solution’ is used? How about ASAP?
January 16, 2017 at 11:18 pm
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Cuba, Cana-duh, N. Korea, Russia, etc. will welcome another commie like you. Update your passport and file papers to denounce your US citizenship. ASAP!
January 17, 2017 at 9:13 am
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Define communism for us yogi and then list 20 examples of the government owning the means of production in Canada. Troll nutter
January 18, 2017 at 7:37 am
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Jean;
Assigned Risk and similar Pools HAVE WORKED.
Stop posting LIES you read on Libitteral internet sites.
January 18, 2017 at 11:06 am
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Not in health care, idiot. They have been tries and failed.
January 18, 2017 at 3:20 pm
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*tried
January 16, 2017 at 10:44 am
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PS Health Care For Everybody is NOT Universal Health Care per government control. It uses assigned risk / high risk pooling to cover high cost/ high frequency/ high severity/ high premium risks and share the adverse results EQUITABLY among PRIVATE health insurance companies.
It is both shameful and disingenuous for ANYONE to try to mislead readers about what ‘health care for everyone’ means per their biased and uninformed opinion.
HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS will soon be revealed, NOT CONCEALED, like Nancy Pelosi Galore did before she introduced the ACA bill for a vote WITHOUT any involvement of Republican Congressmen.
So are you saying that the extra cost of the high risk pool participant’s healthcare will be picked up by the private insurance companies out of their profits? And they don’t mind doing that? Even when they know that the healthcare costs are artificially inflated in order to provide outrageously high profits to drug manufacturers, medical equipment manufacturers, and hospital stockholders, and overpaid medical specialists? Wow I didn’t know the Insurance industry was that generous. Fantastic! Sounds too good to be true.
He’s saying the extra cost will be picked up by the people in the pools, meaning it will be more expensive each year as the risks age and become more expensive to care for sufficiently. Meaning more people won’t be able to afford insurance, leading to more people dropping insurance until they absolutely need it, making the pools riskier which means increases premiums, etc., which is death spiral.
That is pretending this idiotic plan was implemented and people could afford to get into it initially.
Oh, smaller pools so the risk isn’t spread out as much and a fewer number of losses will harm the insurer more.
Straight up, you DO NOT UNDERSTAND INSURANCE in even the most elementary way. What is your role? I’m curious but know for sure it’s not underwriting or anything associated with writing policies.
I am pretty sure you are not supposed to be calling people’s idea “stupid ideas” on this forum. If there is no mandate, then fewer people will be buying insurance. If there are fewer people buying insurance and those are the people who you say will paying the subsidies for the high risk pool, then your insurance premiums are going to skyrocket and become unaffordable. Then people like you will stop purchasing insurance, and there will be even higher premiums for those who remain. That is the “death spiral” that your newly improved plan will create. The whole point of the ACA mandate was to spread the costs among a greater number of people and it did dramatically slow down the rising cost of premiums. The free preventative care, over time, would have reduced greatly the need for more expensive medical care. You seem to be having a hard time understanding how insurance actually works and what is causing the rising cost of healthcare. Obviously you have never had to purchase insurance privately (not part of group insurance) and gotten sick. Before ACA, your policy would have been immediately cancelled upon the renewal date, and you wouldn’t be abel to buy insurance at any price. Then you would be obliged to pay for all of your medical expenses out of pocket until your assets were exhausted. Then, and only then, would you have gotten any support or help from a high risk pool. I guess you are about 60-75 years old, and are thinking health insurance was working the way it did when you were young. Things changed dramatically in the late 1980’s. In the 1990’s seven states tried what you say Trump is proposing now, and they all failed within a couple of years. It is unsustainable with out lowering the actual cost of healthcare, and that means putting a cap on profits, and encouraging cheaper preventative care.
The ACA capped the insurance company profits at 20%. That is why premium increases slowed down. The insurance companies are no longer too blame for rising premiums and people should stop blaming them for simply collecting the money needed to pay the high bills submitted by patients. Trum Polar Bear, what do you think will bring the cost of healthcare costs down (not the insurance premiums), for instance the cost of a cancer drug or having an MRI done? Why would those prices come down if there is a “captive market” of people who have no where else to go for that treatment. (Remember most patients have to stay “in network” and that restricts them for shopping around for an MRI or chemo treatment or a heart transplant (even assuming a seriously ill person has the ability to go shopping for cheaper treatments.) Please explain how you see the Trump plan working.
You should read books that report on motivating people to do things instead of posting stupid Socialist ideas that will never fly, and have never flown in ANY PRIOR SOCIALIST COUNTRY.
There is a NOVEL way to get people to buy insurance, but you are too narrow minded to consider it. HOW do auto insurers solve the problem of high risk drivers? Same question for workers comp high hazard risks? Flood plain property insurance risks? AND health insurance risks PRIOR TO ACA?
You are the type of person who would call it quits and head toward govt control in a single payer system, or call it quits and surrender after Germany bombed Pearl Harbor.
Your comments are getting dumber, or repeat the same incorrect ideas, as you post more.
Auto requires more expensive SR 22 insurance with punishment if you drive without it. So is your plan forcing high risk individuals to buy health insurance and reporting them to government if they don’t? Sounds like an individual mandate with penalties to me
He is probably referencing Animal House, just poorly. But he is right that repealing The ACA will be a disaster like Pearl Harbor was.
Almost 20 million losing insurance in year 1 with premium increases averaging 25% over what they would have been under Obamacare, with about 35 million losing insurance and premiums doubling compared to what they would be under Obamacare.
January 18, 2017 at 7:39 am
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As soon as you are DEFINITELY SURE, post again.
Until then, I won’t bother to read your rambling rants.
There are no such thing as BOTS, you paranoid whack job. If you were to post meaningful, intelligent, respectful content, you would not get down voted so much.
TrumPolar, you know what the best part of the inauguration was? Watching the helicopter taking off with the Obamas to the airport for their trip into oblivion.
Haha it’s so funny how our electoral college president elect is compromised by Russia, has billions in debt which can be leveraged by them, and may have committed treason with them. Great joke, and strong principles as well as patriotism, Yogi.
Yogi is creeping towards the ignore list. He can’t post anything substantive, all he can do is join the circle jerk with the other morons. When people get angry about people saying a lot of conservatives are dumb they should think about yogi, agent and a couple others here.
Isn’t it rich?
Are we all polar bears?
You on the continent, on dry land.
Me on my iceberg, floating somewhere.
Your side didn’t win the election,
Like you planned.
So now you’ve got bunched up underwear.
Send in the BOTS.
The only uncertainty now about TrumPresident is how many more crooks Obama will pardon over the next few days, and how many protesters will be arrested for violent or illegal protest acts in DC or the surrounding roads leading to the Inauguation area ?
One noted idiot here, Bob, claimed O’Keefe was a legitimate source, and was unaware of his repeated fraudulent videos; I’m sure the rest of the Trumpkins believe the same thing.
He should go to jail for this, it is illegal to encourage somebody to commit a crime like this, and he is a repeat offender.
Libitterals have at least 4 more years of TrumPain. Or, they could leave permanently for a Socialist/ Communist country; e.g. N Korea, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.
Not relevant to anything posted. Again, you are stupid beyond belief, or you are a troll. Make relevant posts, or get a life, loser.
January 18, 2017 at 7:43 am
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Da Svidania! Don’t forget to bring your passport. you may need it to re-enter the US after experiencing life in a fully Socialist country.
January 16, 2017 at 12:12 pm
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TrumPolarBear,
In case you did not see this in the comments section of another article:
Based on what you post, I believe that @realDonaldTrump will be your sole source of information going forward. No bias there.
In addition, I am confident that you are proud to be one of the people Donald Trump was referencing when he said, “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”
With that said, I will cease engaging with you in any more debates regarding President Trump. I will let his actions and the results speak for themselves.
Didn’t you hear, Planet? That story has been declared a lie. He couldn’t do that because he is a germaphobe. Oh wait, he said a couple years ago he wasn’t a germaphobe. Well he’s very careful. Oh wait, he’s had a ton of affairs and was on the Stern show once when AJ Benza was saying Trump specifically told him he loved having sex with Russians when he went there because they have no morals and didn’t deny it.
Either Trump is lying or everybody else involved is lying.
I know this is off-topic, but how can we trust the incoming administration to thoroughly vet immigrants when they cannot even thoroughly vet a spokesperson?
If this isn’t sarcastic it’s one of the dumbest statements I’ve seen here, and that’s saying a lot with Agent, Yogi and Bob commenting so often.
That’s pretending he is a good bussinessman, which he isn’t based on his bankruptcies, statements from person after person saying he was incompetent about casinos, his casinos doing terribly, and the fact he inherited his money and has done worse than if he had just invested in index funds.
Feel Berned? Join the movement to MAGA. It won’t hurt. In fact, it’ll feel good to earn a living rather than receive welfare and food stamps and watch other people eran much more by working.
What if you aren’t an uninformed, racist, that believes in idiotic disproven theories, and you like Western Civilization and the stability NATO has provided?
Well someone has to pay for the cost of insuring the “high risk” people with pre-existing conditions (about 25% of the USA fits this category). Either the cost is shared by all Americans in the form of higher premiums, or the “high risk” person pays much higher premiums (that they likely can’t afford), or the Taxpayers will pick up the tab in the form of subsidies. Honestly, the problem isn’t the cost of insurance premiums, the root problem is the cost of healthcare. Insurance premiums only reflect the high cost of providing obscenely big profits to drug manufacturers and hospitals and doctors. In the rest of the world, the prices charged for the very same drugs and procedures are controlled by the Government and cost a fraction of what Americans pay. Only in America is providing healthcare to the sick and elderly a “for-profit industry” . Why do we have to reward healthcare providers and Big Pharm so generously at the taxpayers and working person’s expense? Cut out the obscene profits, and the cost of healthcare suddenly is affordable and the premiums are lower. Pretty simple..
Oh the costs are fixed alright now by the healthcare providers. Of course prices could be reduced if there was an incentive to do so. but why give up huge profits when you don’t have to? What incentive is there to lower prices under your plan? The market will bear any price – there is no limit to what someone will pay if they are faced with death. Please explain what kind of incentive there could possibly be to lower these prices? I can’t wait to hear the answer that no-one except Trump could come up with!
Wow you are rude. And you really are not very well informed. FYI, very few communities have hospitals competing for market share. When you are the “only game in town” you don’t have any incentive to reduce prices to capture market share. $30 for an aspirin in a hospital? Sure, why not. Most communities are lucky to have even one major hospital. I guess you will just have to learn the hard way by experiencing reality after the new plan is put into action and you someday need major medical care. I can see that you are not interested in learning anything from anybody by your responses to everyone who has posted on this forum. Attempting to have an intelligent conversation with you seems to only result in your hurling insults. Good luck!
January 17, 2017 at 8:30 am
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It was a challenge, but now it has become a big WASTE of TIME to try to edify you. If you like Socialized medicine, move to Cana-duh, Britain, etc.
But take note when you’re packing your bags that health care and insurance in the US will become private market driven, with increased competition, greater incentives for innovation in regard to drugs and medical procedures, insurance pools for high cost risks, and specific cost accounting for cost redux.
January 17, 2017 at 4:01 pm
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Polar,
I come to tell you once again you are a toxic, hateful bigot who continues to embarrass the Republican party. Jean tries to have a civil minded, adult debate with you and as always you respond with an insult, “Ask any adult upstairs to explain it in further detail” – you insinuated she/he isn’t an adult. You are so consumed with your own echo chamber that you lack any form of empathy, logic and kindness. Disagreeing with someone doesn’t always mean you have to insult them. Find another blog to terrorize. Any hate you receive you ask for.
Jean – sorry for this child. He, unfortunately, tries to be the speaker of the Republican party but I promise you not all of us think the way he does. BTW – I am fairly confident he is somewhere between the age of 13 to 16 and just spews what he overhears his parents saying at the dinner table so try to be patient with him. And yes, he does need a lot of luck! Have a great day!
January 17, 2017 at 7:21 pm
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REPOSTED TO CIRCUMVENT LIBITTERALS ATTEMPT TO CENSOR CONSERVATIVES SPEECH:
It was a challenge, but now it has become a big WASTE of TIME to try to edify you. If you like Socialized medicine, move to Cana-duh, Britain, etc.
But take note when you’re packing your bags that health care and insurance in the US will become private market driven, with increased competition, greater incentives for innovation in regard to drugs and medical procedures, insurance pools for high cost risks, and specific cost accounting for cost redux.
@CTT: No one cares about your opinion, especially me.
January 16, 2017 at 7:51 pm
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I don’t know if I can stand the suspense and excitement of our LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE COMING TO AN END in 3 days.
I think I’ll hibernate until a few hours before OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE comes to an end, and TrumPresident starts to MAGA.
TrumPolar, looks like Celtica changed her moniker to Jean now. No more believable than she was before. Sore loser Fake News, Buzzfeed just like the other trolls.
Ummm, no, I did not change my screen name or even create a second one. But you go right on creating your own fake news just like your messiah Trum-pee…
Amazing how someone named “Jean” can time it just right to weigh in on the most divisive issue of the past 6 years. Perhaps a paid Sore-ass troll? You people need some serious Preparation H treatment and stop reading Buzzfeed Fake News.
Celtica prob recruited another Libitteral to help spam the board with bitter snowflake rants about health care costs that are wildly exaggerated to TRY to convince low information voters that the ‘world will come to an end and people will die in the streets’ if the ACA is repealed and NO PLAN is PUBLICIZED ahead of the TrumPresidency.
Loony left wingers are going to be even loonier over the next few months.
TrumPolar, do you think Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg will make good on her promise to leave for New Zealand early so Trump will have another appointment to make or do like the Hollywierdo’s and stay and whine?
TrumPolar, my countdown clock is at 2 days and about 8 hours left in the Obama legacy. There was a famous science fiction movie made years ago that they replay once in a while on cable channels. It was called The Incredible Shrinking Man. Obama is shrinking daily and the legacy will be non-existent soon. No wonder these libs are so angry.
His brain is shrinking with ever SCORCHED EARTH ACTION he takes.
It will add more nails in the coffin of the Democrat Party.
As pushback, Americans with moral fiber will remember the petulant actions in 2018, and we will see 60 – 63 Republican Senators. The number of Republican Representatives in the House will also increase, although not as significantly as will be the case in the Senate.
A dark decade, perhaps a few generations, lie ahead for Dems due to the ‘legacy’ of BHO.
Trump announced he will start his presidency with a 3 day weekend because he doesn’t want to get the start of his term confused with his party. This guy is an illegitimate president who will be a failed president. He isn’t competent, sane or interested in the job. The only question is how much destruction and how many failures will we have to endure before Republicans accept it, and will he be impeached?
“Fake news” will be the new refrain of the idiots. It is truly amazing how quickly the dumbest of the deplorables start parroting whatever they are told: the same idiots that are birthers, scream about pedophile rings in pizza parlors, Benghazi, deny seemingly all science and scientists.
Trump stated it, this is a quote. You’ve lost it along with any credibility you might think you have, you racist, birther, lying POS
4 or 8 years that follow will have the following for you to consider;
SCOTUS with 5, then 6 Conservative Justices, perhaps seated for a decade or a generation (25 years).
ACA repealed and replaced with a BETTER plan.
Regulations turned back.
Obama’s Executive Orders reversed.
Allies shunned or insulted by Obama will be welcomed, again.
Dems will lose more Senate seats in 2018 as they have 23 seats up for re-election to 8 Republican seats. TWO (2) Independent seats are also up for election. Many of the 23 Dem seats are in states that TrumPresident won.
Iran Nukes Bad Deal will be cancelled.
ISIS will be wiped off the face of the Earth.
Nas Drowie!
January 17, 2017 at 7:12 pm
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Also;
12 Million Illegal Immigrants will be registered or ejected from the USA.
A 1200 mile wall will be built within 2 years along the US Mexico border.
Millions of snowflakes will lose welfare benefits and will have to work to earn a living. I’ll bet you’re one of them.
I’ll add more later.
January 18, 2017 at 12:44 am
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Again, Prince Idiot cannot reply to anything. Lie, get destroyed, spam. Loser, Sad!
January 18, 2017 at 12:47 am
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How do you have time to learn all this policy so in depth when you are so busy practicing bird law?
January 18, 2017 at 7:53 am
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Where is the PROOF of the Buzzfeed and CNN fake news being fake?
Provide that or STFU.
January 18, 2017 at 7:54 am
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^ should say “…fake news being true?”
January 18, 2017 at 9:34 am
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You aren’t competent because you don’t seem to know the difference between what Buzzfeed and what CNN reported. CNN reported McCain thought this dossier was credible enough to independently research it and turn it over to the intelligence agencies, and they confirmed other intelligence agencies had heard about the same thing. They also reported the intelligence agencies thought it was credible enough to brief both the president and Trump about it. None of that is debatable, and it’s not “fake news”. You don’t even know what fake news is, you are just repeating what you hear and are told to say. CNN also reported, confirmed by multiple sources, that there was more in the briefing, not just what was in the dossier. Trump acknowledged in his press conference he had been briefed on it, confirming what CNN had reported. CNN did not report the contents of the dossier.
On top of that, the BBC reported, and indpendently confirmed with at least 2 sources in intelligence that more material exists and that it was included in the briefings.
You don’t know what “fake news” is, and I’m not really going to take a Fox News viewer seriously when they complain about it; I definitely will not take a damn Birther seriously when they complain about it. You are a joke, now post an irrelevant link and get back to downvoting, you have let a few contrary opinions slip by.
January 17, 2017 at 1:54 pm
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UW,
At what point do we quit calling it an approval rating and say what his numbers really are, disapproval?
Many say they have no opinion so it is less cut and dry than his approval rating. He will jump to almost 50 after the election, but will drop again after that, and it will be permanent until he is impeached, resigns, or there is a massive terrorist attack or war. Trump’s best interests and the best interests of the country are opposite. He will be like Bush who was done within 9 months but benefitted from 9/11.
Also; read Putin’s latest JAB at Dems. He calls it like it is; i.e. Dems are at fault and are BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE for their failures.
Putin is trashing Obama. That Failure-In-Chief will be exposed as such by Republicans indirectly through their corrective actions over the next few years. The evidence will be the growth in the economy, creation of jobs, building a wall, making the US safer, and making US citizens proud of their leaders again.
Yes, take seriously Putin’s comments when he clearly has reason to prefer Trump so the US is weakened. You STILL have not said if agree that Russia hacked our country, or if don’t, revealed what info you have that contradicts the US intelligence agencies. Clown. Joke. Loser. Sad!
TrumPolar, this seems to be the appropriate place to put a good zinger in for our down voting Progressive bots.
Do you know someone who is suffering from Trump Unacceptance & Resistance Disorder aka TURD?
Know the signs, spot the symptoms, and save a life.
TURD is a pattern of pathologically dissociative and psychotic behavior, first observed in the late hours of November 8th, 2016 and increasing in severity with passing time.
Sufferers of TURD often exhibit pronounced cognitive dissonance, sudden bouts of rage, rioting, and uncontrollable crying.
People with TURD are characterized by a persistent unwillingness to accept that Donald Trump is going to make America great again.
Research is ongoing, but TURD appears to correlate closely with the following environmental and behavioral factors:
Membership in the Democratic Party
Identifying as a Feminist
Currently enrolled in college, and/or possession of a Liberal Arts college degree.
Living in a densely populated metropolitan area.
Massive Student Debt
Spotty or non-existent work history
Patients with TURD are very resistant to treatment, and dangerous in large groups. Any possibility of treatment requires that they be separated from their hive-mind support apparatus; they cannot begin the process of accepting reality in the presence of encouragement towards delusion and irrationality. Separation may require the assistance of law enforcement.
If you have a friend or loved one suffering from TURD, urge them to seek treatment. Together, we can beat this scourge, and Make America Great Again.
Agent, the Obama agenda retained the auto industry the US when the GOP wanted to toss it away, recovered the stock market from 7500 to 20,000, more than halved unemployment to 5% and got us the hell out of Bush’s wars. And gave health care to all Americans.
You can try and dismantle the ACA — but without a replacement plans (you know, the one you ALWAYS said you had), you will be stripping this benefit from Americans. Good luck with the 2018 mid term election.
January 17, 2017 at 6:44 pm
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Loser Libitteral Celtica;
ACA is being dismantled and there’s NOTHING you can do about it, SNOWFLAKE!
There are SEVERAL replacement plans.
Those who may lose coverage were out of work and almost all were Dem voters from long ago, so their loss of coverage, temporarily. wont have ANY effect on midterm elections. But, you can think it will turn the Congress over to Dems if it gives you solace from your miserable snowflake existence.
After the ongoing Scorched Earth policy by Obama, the Republicans will have at least 60 Senate seats after the midterm elections.
In a matter of months, a FIFTH Conservative Justice of the SCOTUS will be seated. Another Conservative Justice will later be seated on SCOTUS to replace Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg, making it SIX Conservatives for at east a decade if not a generation.
You have the right to freedom of speech. Make use of it to further prove you are clueless, delusional, and a bitter, sore loser.
January 17, 2017 at 6:51 pm
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Celtica says: “wait until Midterm elections”.
I can’t wait! Can it be accelerated, somehow?
January 18, 2017 at 9:40 am
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“Those who may lose coverage were out of work and almost all were Dem voters from long ago,”
You are absolutely brainwashed, and 100% idiotic. It’s honestly stunning and disturbing that there is anybody in the country, much less this site, that can give Agent a run for his money when it comes to stupidity, but you might be worse.
January 17, 2017 at 5:21 pm
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Oblama will go down in history as the worst President with the worst agenda in our history. Celtica, you have been exposed to buzzfeed Fake News. You should get over it and let Trump straighten out the mess made.
Yes, reducing unemployment, increasing health insurance coverage, slowing the growth of health insurance costs, killing bin Laden, saving the auto industry, keeping the world from another depression, ending the ground wars in Iraq and Afghanistan while stopping the calls for war with Iran, and supporting new industries like solar energy are all agendas conservatives disagree with.
Why can’t we model our healthcare system on programs tht are successful in other countries? For example the Swiss pay about 27% less per capita for their health care, and in spite of the fact that 65% of the Swiss smoke, their mortality tables show that they live about 4% longer than us?
Maybe the Swiss eat less junk food, and drink less soda (high fructose corn syrup or aspartame). Maybe they eat more natural foods that are not sprayed with multiple pesticides. There are many food additives that are illegal in European countries that are allowed in American foods. A relative of mine works in food development for a large intl corp, and they have different ingredients in the European v American products. The problem with our “sick-care” system is too many sick people ! Get rid of all the chemicals that are making people sick and that would be a major step toward lower health costs.
TrumPolar, one thing that is abundantly clear on this forum is that you are really in the head of the Progressive Socialists. They can’t stand the truth and they can’t stand that we will have a new president in a few days who is pledged to clean up the mess their leader made. We have seen a lot of vitriol over the past 6 years on this issue. I hope the plan that will replace will have coverage for frontal lobotomies with no deductible. These people really, really need it.
So, all of you a**-sucking Obama lovers..you’re guy is letting a treasonist free..letting him walk…out free, among America loving citizens (by America loving, I mean anyone who actually loves this country…many of whom are NOT on this blog…)…someone who committed a crime that is, under our own law, I might add, PUNISHABLE BY DEATH. What an SOB Obama is. My depth of disregard/lack of respect/unadulterated hatred for that man has sunk to a new low. I cannot wait for that MF to get out of my WH.
Dems are critical of Russians, who they claim hacked the 2016 Elections, yet Hillary won Calibfornia, NY, MN, IL, VA, CT, etc.
Dems are supportive of Bradley Chelsea Manning for revealing TOP SECRETS that jeopardize the safety of US citizens indirectly, and US intel personnel directly and certainly.
Dems are hypocrites. They pick and chose what they want to support or criticize to fit their agenda.
The US intelligence agencies, the FBI, Obama, Biden, McCain, independent technology security firms, and even Trump believe Russia hacked the election. What information do you have contradictory to their conclusions?
Patticake, my count down clock is at 1 day, 8 hours and change. I have a feeling that traitors will be treated differently in the next four years. The pardon parade continues for the worst President in history.
Patti, you must support treason charges and execution for General Petraeus then, right? I know I do.
Also, Democrats want to look into the possible treason by Trump and his administration. Republicans for the most part do not. Do you support this?
Do you think Trump should face a treason trial for publicly calling on Russia to hack and release information from a former Secretary of State after he had already been briefed they were responsible for hacking political campaigns in the US?
Do you also want the US public to not know our military was killing innocents, and then murdering paramedics, or do you think we have a right to know, and it was not proper to classify that information? If not, why?
“letting a treasonist free” — A PARDON and A COMMUTED SENTENCE are two very different things. The treasonist, who has spent more days in jail than any other person who leaked information, had their sentence COMMUTED. They were not pardoned. BIG difference. The distinction is important here because they weren’t let free (pardon) they were allowed to leave jail early (and still have the guilty verdict attached to their criminal history).
Still no details were provided, as I recently said, because Libitterals have recently mobilized ONLINE, with talking points that include mostly LIES about the repeal and replacement…. and with BOTs to censor Conservative’s discussion of the details and why it will fix problems, not tax people to subsidize other people.
Still, Price suggested Trump and congressional Republicans will incrementally replace ObamaCare, instead of substituting it with a wholesale replacement.
On ObamaCare, Trump told The Washington Post over the weekend that he’s close to having a plan that will provide insurance for everybody and lower some costs. That surprised many on Capitol Hill, where Republicans are still looking for a path.
Kentucky GOP Sen. Rand Paul is among them and last week outlined his plan to Fox News that included more low-cost plans, health saving accounts and tax credits to help customers save money.
Are you available to attend a DeploraBall in your hometown?
Free vodka for anyone who attests that they voted for TrumPresident!
Would you rather say you didn’t vote for TrumPresident or get something FREE?
Here’s a clue as to my guess as to your decision;
Nas Dorowie, new, temporarily for the DeploraBall only, Comrade actu!
January 19, 2017 at 8:52 am
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What libitteral could pass up a freebie over an internal struggle with their values and principles?
January 18, 2017 at 1:22 pm
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While Price gave some indication of Trump’s plan, he carefully made sure not to overstep the president-elect by speculating or providing extensive detail before Trump announces his plan.
TrumPlan late this weekend or early next week. Depends on getting a few other things done before the end of the weekend.
Well it seems the weekday president has parties to attend to over the weekend — so won’t be signing anything day 1 — but day 3. He also doesn’t have a plan to announce so it probably won’t be day 3 either.
I TELL YOU WHAT,
I’m so old, I remember Pi$$ident Elect Incestuous Son of Supply Side Jesus telling us on day one he’s repealing the ACA and on day 2 he’s replacing it with something great. Now, he’s talking about taking weekends off. No wonder his disapproval rating is in the 60’s.
Breaking news – the organizers of the event just told the Pi$$ident-Elect, “Due to an overwhelming lack of interest, we are going to waive the cover charge and offer each attending adult, 21 and over, 2 free drinks to urine-auguration.”
Will Hollyweird ostracize him? He’s 82 and wealthy enough to retire. So, Hollyweird can’t use their blacklisting power to sway him to bail out. But ‘deplorables’ can stop buying products and merchandise sold by Libitteral Hollyweird ‘artists’. Apparently, they didn’t fully think through the implication and consequences of their childish, Anti-TrumPresident, anti-Republican, anti-American, anti-Conservative hissy fits.
TrumPolar, Madonna said she had been thinking of blowing up the White House. Back in the day, the Secret Service would have had her in cuffs in a heart beat for threatening the life of the President and staff. After making that threat, she said her statement was taken out of context. What context? A threat is a threat. Lock her up, put her on trial for domestic terrorism.
Sounds like buyers remorse is starting already. If president-elect Trump is happy to take credit for decisions made by companies before he was even elected, does he get the blame for these job losses?
Here is an interesting snip-it from the article, “He’s worked at GM (GM) for seven years and makes $25 an hour installing brake lines. It’s the kind of pay that finally allowed him to buy a house and decent sports equipment for his kids. Other factories in the area pay only $9 to $12 an hour.”
Even if President Trump brings manufacturing jobs back to replace these jobs, the standard of living for a lot of these people will be much lower.
Ron and UW you are my heroes on this dark day. I have been following these boards for a while and Yogi-trumpeepee-supply side yeezus kill-all-the-polar-bears is a toxic, disgusting, bigot. I wish I had time to support and defend Obama’s record with you and help explain some economics of 101. By the way, one of the reasons people said they did not like ACA is because of the fake news AND Sarah Palining of the product. LIES from the right. Death panels never appeared! Ask Kentuckians how they feel about KyNect. They love it. Ask them how they feel about Obamacare–they HATE it. They are the same product!!! The states that made it their own with their exchanges (go CA) did not have giant increases. The increases slowed way down compared to pre-ACA. In flood zones everyone is compelled to pay into the flood insurance. We all have bodies that can break down or are subject to random disasters such as cancer or car accidents. Everyone has to pay together for these risks. You redneck righties should understand that we have ALL been paying for the uninsured for decades through increased costs of the product. They don’t shut you out of an emergency room if you are dying. They just jack up prices. I know dozens of people bankrupted by medical expenses before ACA. Now God help us all.
yes there’s been a rough discussion over it but the companies in India such as LIC https://www.licindialogin.in/ start health insurance and other charge a huge sum for the follow ups.
Sounds like President-elect Trump is advocating for some form of Universal Health Care. I will await the details, but this sounds like something I can support.
Universal health care isn’t what’s needed. We needed a high risk pool for those with pre-existing conditions. What we didn’t need was to nuke the whole system.
Who will be paying for those high-risk pools?
Universal Health Care provides, by far, the most solutions to complaints regarding our current health care/insurance issues.
-Maximize negotiating with pharmaceutical companies
-Eliminate high deductibles
-Eliminate government administration of health care )Medicare, medicaid and VA)
-Eliminate out-of-network confusion and higher costs
-Every citizen is covered
-Encourage early retirement to open up higher paying jobs
-Employers no longer need to provide
-Encourage worker mobility will lead to increased wages
“Eliminate high deductibles”
LOL at such a foolish statement. Who pays for the greater coverage? Taxpayers.
Apparently, you DIDN’T heed the message sent by voters on 11/8.
>Apparently, you DIDN’T heed the message sent by voters on 11/8.
That they wanted Clinton to be president, and therefore to keep The ACA? The votes of the country show that millions more people preferred her, so it’s odd you are arguing the opposite and supporting policies that go against what the people said with their votes.
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I don’t think “mostly” means what you think it means.
98 comments — 50 just by trumpolarbear
Yogi has posted over 1/2 the comments so far. More than 50% of the posts are from ONE right-winger.
Pretty sure “most” of the comments here are from the right since more than half of them came just from Yogi.
@Confused;
I’m posing again. What’s my count now?
“I don’t think “mostly” means what you think it means.”
I think you just acted like a smart a@@.
I think you know what he meant. Numerically, there are more liberals commenting. That is what he meant.
One person spamming does not equate to a majority of the people commenting any more than one person producing 50 comments about healthcare makes that one person’s comment the majority conservative opinion when discussing opinions among 100 people, and you’re damn well aware of this confused.
I left here after you bullies went full on, but I see now I’m needed because morons like you continue the same bull@#%@ brigade on this site.
Bob,
If that is what Agent meant, he would have stated as such by now.
If you spent less time interpreting what people meant and listening to what they actually said, we would be able to hold intelligent debates based on facts and not rhetoric.
What is needed is more civility from everyone, not more policing from you. You trend to throw fuel on the fire.
Confused and Ron, make sure to update the dictionaries on your phones, it has beem Declared that words have new meanings to fit the incoherent ramblings of idiots.
Also, depending on the person making the claim these new words either have to be strictly adhered to with exact precision, or interpreted based on what the idiot meant.
Yet another attempt to take something not related, attach it to something else, in order to state opinions.
You could have just source quoted the law’s actual approval rating.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html
Or which, it has consistently been something people didn’t want.
Or you know, you can keep doing the association game you do, calling Trump supporters bigots, sexual predators, and what not.
Either or. Dumb ass.
A lot of people oppose it from the left because it’s not single-payer universal health care.
Trump supporters are largely bigots. Trump is an admitted sexual assaulter, as are you, but not all Trump supporters, although they were willing to overlook it.
RE-Posted to circumvent Libitteral BOTs attempting to CENSOR Conservative opinions;
“Eliminate high deductibles”
LOL at such a foolish statement. Who pays for the greater coverage? Taxpayers.
Apparently, you DIDN’T heed the message sent by voters on 11/8.
“Apparently, you DIDN’T heed the message sent by voters on 11/8.”
That they overwhelmingly wanted Clinton to be president?
You keep talking about the will of the voters, do you know and acknowlegde millions more people voted for Clinton?
“That they overwhelmingly wanted Clinton to be president?”
Incorrect.
“o·ver·whelm·ing·ly
ˈˌōvərˈ(h)welmiNGlē/
adverb
adverb: overwhelmingly
to a very great degree or with a great majority.”
The difference Trump to Hillary was minimal in overall votes.
Apparently you have failed to see that people have not supported democrat policies for some time, it is just that the democrats lie and bullshit, and twist things to make it social suicide to vote for them.
Are you kind hearted and open minded? Vote democrat!
That’s how the operate.
As I just showed above, the majority of people have been against the ACA for some time, and, as I have shown again and again, the majority of people do not know what the replacement plans were.
And the others, (you) claim that the CBO projections were wrong and you know better.
Wonderfully intelligent.
Over 3,000,000 votes is a pretty substantial margin in modern politics, idiot.
You’d think someone as smart as bob would know a 10 PERCENTAGE POINT change is not “not statistically significant” as he claimed in another article. Not entirely sure I believe him when he said he scored so high on his SAT’s that they forced him to retake the test.
Clarifying edit: reference to the 10% point change was not about the popular vote – it was a comment he made on different article.
Really it could be on any topic. A 1-2% change is basically guaranteed to be statistically significant when the sample size is tens of millions.
Why would you expect Bob to know this, have you seen any of the “studies” he posts, looked at any example where people checked his math, or read any of his writings on statistics? Ha, if he’s writing about statistics it is wrong.
I’m confused on why high risk pools are the answer. Is it because we can lower health insurance rates for the healthy and then print money & raise the deficit to cover those in the high risk pools (the patients certainly aren’t footing the bill). Just a shell game and Obamacare in a different format. I’ll believe real change is coming when there’s an effort to address costs.
THERE ARE efforts to reduce costs. Wait and you will see MAN such efforts in Republican plans. ACA did NOT try to reduce costs for EVERYONE. It subsidized high cost risks by raisng premiums for those who pay, to subsidize those who did NOT pay.
Reduced costs will be done is several ways; e.g. drug cost negotiations (already in the news), and tort reform regarding medical malpractice liability. Novel ideas will be introduced. A major change is also part of one (set of ) plan(s) proposed.
Stay tuned!
The only novel idea we need to control healthcare costs is to stop allowing hospitals and medical specialist from charging whatever price they want in order to line their own pockets. Healthcare should not be a “for profit” industry. It isn’t like the patient-consumer can go shopping elsewhere for an appendectomy, or wait for a sale. The Government needs to negotiate prices for ALL healthcare, not just drugs.
You ^ obviously don’t understand market equilibrium dynamics.
… or risk & reward.
You must be a ‘Bernie Comrade’.
Feeling Berned by Hill?
Trum Polar Bear, hmmmmmm the “drug cost negotiations” you say are good sounds like price controls to me! Are you sure YOU aren’t the “socialist”? Why would you not be willing to negotiate the prices of medical procedures if it is okay to negotiate drug prices? Also, you say the “ACA subsidized high cost risks by raising premiums for those who pay”, and yet that is exactly what you say the Trump plan will do. You said, people who voluntarily buy insurance will pay the subsidy cost of the high risk pool. Huh? The only difference I see between the ACA and your plan is that there would be fewer people pitching in under your plan. I don’t understand your logic. When it is part of ACA it is bad, when it is part of the Trump plan it is good. Think about what you are saying.
If you knew what is going on in DC and NYC, re: ACA replacement, especially in regard to drug costs, you wouldn’t be blabbering about ‘price controls’.
‘Negotiations’ are not ‘price controls’.
Costs can be controlled by analysis of their components and through competition leading to innovation.
Drugs brought to the market more quickly, such as is the case in Can-a-duh, will cost less as competition drives down the costs thereafter.
Further, costs of health care include such things as utilities, labor, leases of facility premises, property insurance, liability (malpractice) insurance, etc, etc.
Thanks for the softball pitch.
Re-posted to reply to Jean, after it was BOTTED by libitterals;
You ^ obviously don’t understand market equilibrium dynamics.
You hit the nail on the head. The high cost of RX is killing everyone and the double dipping by the insurers charging the people for the ability to buy the Rx with their Ins card. The layering of this is crazy. The DRUG Companies charge the PBA charges the insurance carrier and the insurance carrier charges the insured?? Too much FAT Plus the crazy cost of the hospital care where an aspirin can cost $10 and soap and wash cloth can cost $40, we know where the big Fat is. Administrators for hospitals, the specialists AND the horrible lawyers that love the malpractice settlements. In NYC its a lottery for the poor and a BIG FAT PAY CK for the lawyers. Tort reform should be a priority. We represent doctors who need to buy insane priced malpractice coverage bc we are so sue conscience in this country. And why is that bc the lawyers tell us this everyday, we can’t settle a case without them or the insurance companies will take advantage of us. I just spoke with someone from Europe who says lawsuits are very uncommon there bc if you sue and you lose you pay for both lawyers and the time etc. Lets start at the Malpractice, Rx, Hospital, Surgical and Testing spaces first. You will see premiums go down. Lobbyists are not our friends. Do you see big bucks being made by agents these days who manage and take care of those who cannot make sense of Medicare, or any insurance for that matter? The gov’t pays navigators $14 or $15 per hour and every individual is directed to the website of the insurance co bc they are not agents. Our agents and brokers insurance lobbyists have done us no good AND I am sick and tired of hearing about politicians who are only in this for the power. Lets give the Crazy Business Guy we now call POTUS a chance.
Also; high risk pools are not the EXCLUSIVE answer. Unlike ACA authors, the current proposal authors are making good efforts to SOLVE problems rather than SUBSIDIZE costs thru taxes and mandates.
I most certainly do understand economics and market equilibrium. Unfortunately you don’t understand that healthcare needs are not something that is price sensitive. When you have to have a commodity or die, the consumer will pay any price. The people selling healthcare know that, and have no incentive to lower prices. Healthcare is a unique commodity that is not subject to the usual rules of economic science. Surely you can see that needing a heart transplant, is different than needing new carpet.Right?
Ahem; competition driven through advanced consumer information about alternatives will drive down costs.
Your Socialism-poisoned mind must be stuck on a ‘Single-Payer’ system, with an inability to consider any other possibility. That train left the station back in early November, 2016.
And please stop the lame ‘…or will die’ hysteria sh%&. No one with an IQ greater than the temperature in Washington DC in degrees Celsius is going to fall for it.
There is no competition driving down costs when you are in the hospital and get charged $20 for an aspirin. That is not free market.
That is true.
What makes you think that will be allowed to continue when TrumPresident repeals ACA and replaces it with a free market solution with increased competition and cost control methods?
@Jean; You can SAY you understand market equilibrium dynamics all you want. That doesn’t make it so, especially after you wrote what you wrote.
Jean, FYI, polar, aka Yogi here is a noted liar. He rants about statistics and economics all the time, and claimed to have a degree in statistics but he was unable to answer simple questions about basic confidence intervals or basic regression analysis. He also doesn’t understand basic probability concepts like a wider risk pool to spread risk. His knowledge on economics is less than zero.
Young Mr. Confused, you will find that TrumPolar is pretty hard to shut down by your buddies no matter how many down votes he gets. Just wait until Bob weighs in and see what happens.
Daft Agent, you said “98 comments, [are] mostly from the left.”
Can you admit if more than 50% of the comments are from ONE right-winger, even if we don’t include all the other posts by right-wingers, that means all the posts from the left could not constitute “most” of those 98 comments?
my comment count rises when Libitterals use their BOTs to censor the first postings of my thoughts.
And, we all need to be edified about the replacement plans, many of which I have read or have heard about second-hand.
You have the option to NOT read these comment boards. Consider it.
Anybody arguing for high risk pools doesn’t understand insurance, it is that simple.
theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/the-trouble-with-high-risk-pools-as-a-conservative-alternative/
Trump has a plan, but he can’t share it with his enemies or they will know how he plans to attack them, unfortunately his enemies here are the US people. How many times do the Trumpkins and the press need to fall for his “I have a plan I’m releasing soon,” or his claims about a big announcement coming that never shows up before they catch on?
Wrong and wildly stupid. And I don’t know which is worse.
Labeling something that takes 5 seconds to read as “wordy” helps explain your intelligence, political ideology, and how (un)informed you are on seemingly every topic. Also, it doesn’t do anything to refute the content. Trump University education at work.
Few people care what you think about me or other matters.
I’m going to petition IJ for an ‘ignore’ button more aggressively going forward.
As always, 1 comment, and then trolling and ignoring the topic by Yogi. No content, no intelligence, no brains, no education. Sad!
Further, NO ONE gives a SH*# what you say anymore. You’ve been proven wrong by results of many high risk pools operating to equitably share high risk policy portfolios.
A risk pool doesn’t have portfolios, idiot. That is an investment tool, not an actuarial tool for managing premiums and claims. You aren’t competent to work in insurance. You said you were a broker, right?
UW; high risk pools worked BEFORE ACA and they will work again.
Your side lost because they failed with their attempt at Socialism and stupid ideas that have already been proven to fail in Socialist / Communist countries; e.g. USSR, Venezuela, Greece, etc.
HRPs don’t have policy portfolios?
Go back to school, millennial! Try another profession.
Cite 5 of these that have worked long term.
@UW:
Further, NO ONE gives a SH*# what you say anymore. You’ve been proven wrong by results of many high risk pools operating to equitably share high risk policy portfolios.
@actu; find them by asking a person in your insurance company. If you don’t work for an insurance company, you shouldn’t be criticizing what you don’t understand or can’t learn through fellow employees.
Why FIVE examples? If I list FOUR, does that invalidate the claim?
Regardless; pick any five states with WC assigned risk pools.
No, idiot, I haven’t. You can’t just claim something as fact and make it so, especially with your record of being a cretinous, uneducated, liar. Your citation in the thread is to go ask coworkers. Give me a break, your are a clown, stick to cartoons, circle jerking with Agent, and crying for Lying Bob to save you, idiot.
It needed to be nuked and will be shortly. Stay tuned.
Only in your wildest dreams, Ron. Mr. Trump is not a socialist, so there goes your theory of universal healthcare.
Patticake,
1. Universal Healthcare is not necessarily Socialized medicine.
2. How would you interpret “insurance for everyone”, regardless of one’s ability to pay for it? That is what President-elect Trump said, not me.
She won’t interpret it, she will lie, smear, and run, like all of these uninformed rubes.
Ha! Tell that to Ryan. He now has to clean up Trump’s mess – -and he isn’t even president yet.
Celtica, was that you we saw taken off the airplane for ranting the Socialist agenda? As you were taken off, the other passengers were giving you the business with USA, USA, USA, USA.
@Celtica; Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Jarrett, Gruber, Emmanuel, etc. made the mess called ACA.
Republicans will have to fix the HYUUUUGGEE mess created and left behind by Barack ‘Scorched Earth Policy ‘Cause I’m a Bitter, Sore Loser’ Obama.
All President Obama did was win. Which is probably why you can’t stand the guy.
@Ron; your interpretation is based on your bias and hopes.
The Universal Health Care idea is NOT what he is planning.
Stay tuned, and PAY ATTENTION TO HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS!
Actually, it is based on President-elect Trump’s own words, “We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
How else should “insurance for everybody” be interpreted?
Should we not take him at his word?
IT is reinstatement of high risk pools and equitable sharing of the pools results by the PRIVATE INDUSTRY.
You are either dense, a liar, or both.
HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS will soon be REVEALED, NOT CONCEALED as was done by Nancy Pelosi Galore with regard to the ACA Bill.
‘Health care for everyone’ means people without financial means to pay get HEALTH CARE that is paid by subsidies allocated by POOLS that were used successfully in the past, and whihc will be used successfully again.
STOP WITH LIES ABOUT UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE…
Who exactly is paying for those who cannot afford health care, especially high-risk people in those high premium pools? The Trump Organization?
POOOOOOOL participants, who will collect the needed money from payers like me.
This is called ‘subsidization’. Search for it on Al Gore’s internet.
Only people who BUY insurance will pay the subsidies for those who cannot pay.
Mnadates are NOT part of the plan.
BOTs will not pay subsidies. BOTs are inanimate software devices to censor opinion of opponents. BOTs are not used by those who can debate with logic and facts, and who are not hypocrites.
If BOTs become ‘sick’, they will be repaired by Geeks, not doctors and other medical providers. BOTs do not get geek repair services for free.
Do I need to get in touch with my key IT guy, to offset BOTting censorship by libitterals?
Reply if you are a conservative who is fed up with childish behavior of libitterals who cannot debate with facts, data and logic, and revert to censorship.
“Who cannot afford healthcare” means what? Do you have to sell your house, spend all of your 401K retirement savings, empty your bank accounts, and basically be bankrupt before the high premium pool will subsidize your healthcare costs that are insanely high because a persons had the dumb luck of getting cancer and has to pay Big Pharm lots of money in the form of profits for their treatment? We had that before the ACA – high risk pools were asset-based and that is how people ended up living on the streets when they got sick. They had to go broke before they could afford healthcare. The ACA provided free preventative care – catching diseases early before they turned into really big expensive problems was how health care costs were going to be reduced. ACA was on the right track, they just needed to finish the job by setting price controls on fees charged for healthcare like the rest of the civilized world.
Other lines of insurance have resolved issues with high cost risks in the past.
Health insurers didn’t previously have incentive to resolve high cost risks or overall high costs. Now they do.
And high risk pools worked for HI in the past, before ACA and the ACA-holes in the White House and Obama Regime interfered with them.
reposted because childish libitterals can’t stand facts that oppose their positions:
If BOTs become ‘sick’, they will be repaired by Geeks, not doctors and other medical providers. BOTs do not get geek repair services for free.
Yogi has lost it, the right-wing propaganda he reads, and maybe even starting to realize he voted for a compromised, lying, nut (but probably not, I suspect he was one of the 35% that supported Bush to the end) has already started making him explode.
Assigned risk won’t work here because there is no benefit to taking the risky pool. There are no market-based solutions here so your pretend smart guy line about market equilibrium doesn’t hold up. People cannot opt out of the market for health care,therefore there is no free market and actual equilibrium cannot exist. They could get close to it, but the fact id that too many people cannot afford health care without direct subsidies.
Your solution seems to be to have high risk pools, and the people in that pool will pay more. What about the huge number of people who cannot afford it? Drug price competition and generics will help, but that won’t keep any conpanies in those pools, it is almost the textbook examole of how you would design an immediate death spiral. The reality is with the aging population in the US the health insurance market was already in a death spiral or close to it even before the ACA.
Explain how a risk pool of mostly poorer, elderly, risky consumers decreases premiums with constant, almost exponential risk, claims and costs. It is moronic from start to finish, you don’t understand insurance, statistics or economics. You should have gotten a real degree instead of making up one.
@UW; you have no idea of the innovations involved in pools and other methodology. It’s been kept secret because some elements are proprietary.
Your side lost. Your side can’t “find out what’s in it” until it is introduced as a SERIES of bills, state and federal.
Assigned risk pools will be run differently. Companies will be able to use them to reduce their risks. Risk takers will be willing to ‘invest’ in the pools. You are clueless about the new approach because it hasn’t been revealed or discussed publicly.
Pools were never successful for the working middle class. If you had any assets at all, you couldn’t get pool subsidies until you were bankrupt. They may have worked for the very poor, but they drove many middle class families into bankruptcy. Is that the solution? Put thousands of middle class families out on the street?
How about having the drug companies, medical equipment manufacturers, hospitals, and medical practices subsidize the high risk pools out of their profits? Now that would be equitable since they are the ones driving up the costs of healthcare in the first place.
How about YOU move to a Socialist country where that ‘stupid solution’ is used? How about ASAP?
Cuba, Cana-duh, N. Korea, Russia, etc. will welcome another commie like you. Update your passport and file papers to denounce your US citizenship. ASAP!
Define communism for us yogi and then list 20 examples of the government owning the means of production in Canada. Troll nutter
Jean;
Assigned Risk and similar Pools HAVE WORKED.
Stop posting LIES you read on Libitteral internet sites.
Not in health care, idiot. They have been tries and failed.
*tried
PS Health Care For Everybody is NOT Universal Health Care per government control. It uses assigned risk / high risk pooling to cover high cost/ high frequency/ high severity/ high premium risks and share the adverse results EQUITABLY among PRIVATE health insurance companies.
It is both shameful and disingenuous for ANYONE to try to mislead readers about what ‘health care for everyone’ means per their biased and uninformed opinion.
HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS will soon be revealed, NOT CONCEALED, like Nancy Pelosi Galore did before she introduced the ACA bill for a vote WITHOUT any involvement of Republican Congressmen.
So are you saying that the extra cost of the high risk pool participant’s healthcare will be picked up by the private insurance companies out of their profits? And they don’t mind doing that? Even when they know that the healthcare costs are artificially inflated in order to provide outrageously high profits to drug manufacturers, medical equipment manufacturers, and hospital stockholders, and overpaid medical specialists? Wow I didn’t know the Insurance industry was that generous. Fantastic! Sounds too good to be true.
No, and you keep ranting about profits as the source of a solution to high costs without realizing how incredibly stupid you sound.
He’s saying the extra cost will be picked up by the people in the pools, meaning it will be more expensive each year as the risks age and become more expensive to care for sufficiently. Meaning more people won’t be able to afford insurance, leading to more people dropping insurance until they absolutely need it, making the pools riskier which means increases premiums, etc., which is death spiral.
That is pretending this idiotic plan was implemented and people could afford to get into it initially.
You also assume the pools will grow LARGE.
You are stuck on stupid, assuming the PAST determines the future.
SMART people are now in charge. Idiots were ushered out of the building, starting on 11/8/16.
Oh, smaller pools so the risk isn’t spread out as much and a fewer number of losses will harm the insurer more.
Straight up, you DO NOT UNDERSTAND INSURANCE in even the most elementary way. What is your role? I’m curious but know for sure it’s not underwriting or anything associated with writing policies.
I am pretty sure you are not supposed to be calling people’s idea “stupid ideas” on this forum. If there is no mandate, then fewer people will be buying insurance. If there are fewer people buying insurance and those are the people who you say will paying the subsidies for the high risk pool, then your insurance premiums are going to skyrocket and become unaffordable. Then people like you will stop purchasing insurance, and there will be even higher premiums for those who remain. That is the “death spiral” that your newly improved plan will create. The whole point of the ACA mandate was to spread the costs among a greater number of people and it did dramatically slow down the rising cost of premiums. The free preventative care, over time, would have reduced greatly the need for more expensive medical care. You seem to be having a hard time understanding how insurance actually works and what is causing the rising cost of healthcare. Obviously you have never had to purchase insurance privately (not part of group insurance) and gotten sick. Before ACA, your policy would have been immediately cancelled upon the renewal date, and you wouldn’t be abel to buy insurance at any price. Then you would be obliged to pay for all of your medical expenses out of pocket until your assets were exhausted. Then, and only then, would you have gotten any support or help from a high risk pool. I guess you are about 60-75 years old, and are thinking health insurance was working the way it did when you were young. Things changed dramatically in the late 1980’s. In the 1990’s seven states tried what you say Trump is proposing now, and they all failed within a couple of years. It is unsustainable with out lowering the actual cost of healthcare, and that means putting a cap on profits, and encouraging cheaper preventative care.
The ACA capped the insurance company profits at 20%. That is why premium increases slowed down. The insurance companies are no longer too blame for rising premiums and people should stop blaming them for simply collecting the money needed to pay the high bills submitted by patients. Trum Polar Bear, what do you think will bring the cost of healthcare costs down (not the insurance premiums), for instance the cost of a cancer drug or having an MRI done? Why would those prices come down if there is a “captive market” of people who have no where else to go for that treatment. (Remember most patients have to stay “in network” and that restricts them for shopping around for an MRI or chemo treatment or a heart transplant (even assuming a seriously ill person has the ability to go shopping for cheaper treatments.) Please explain how you see the Trump plan working.
You should read books that report on motivating people to do things instead of posting stupid Socialist ideas that will never fly, and have never flown in ANY PRIOR SOCIALIST COUNTRY.
There is a NOVEL way to get people to buy insurance, but you are too narrow minded to consider it. HOW do auto insurers solve the problem of high risk drivers? Same question for workers comp high hazard risks? Flood plain property insurance risks? AND health insurance risks PRIOR TO ACA?
You are the type of person who would call it quits and head toward govt control in a single payer system, or call it quits and surrender after Germany bombed Pearl Harbor.
Your comments are getting dumber, or repeat the same incorrect ideas, as you post more.
Auto requires more expensive SR 22 insurance with punishment if you drive without it. So is your plan forcing high risk individuals to buy health insurance and reporting them to government if they don’t? Sounds like an individual mandate with penalties to me
Japan bombed Pearl Harbor*…
You’re an idiot
He is probably referencing Animal House, just poorly. But he is right that repealing The ACA will be a disaster like Pearl Harbor was.
Almost 20 million losing insurance in year 1 with premium increases averaging 25% over what they would have been under Obamacare, with about 35 million losing insurance and premiums doubling compared to what they would be under Obamacare.
As soon as you are DEFINITELY SURE, post again.
Until then, I won’t bother to read your rambling rants.
BOTS! You’re late! You should have BOTTED my posts above into hidden status by now.
There are no such thing as BOTS, you paranoid whack job. If you were to post meaningful, intelligent, respectful content, you would not get down voted so much.
I’m floating southward this week, to stop in DC for the inauguration, then I’m continuing down south to Florida, to visit BOTanical gardens.
TrumPolar, you know what the best part of the inauguration was? Watching the helicopter taking off with the Obamas to the airport for their trip into oblivion.
I’m holding an Inauguration Party on Friday.
On Saturday, I’ll have to return all the empty BOTtles for the $.05 deposit, or recycle those BOTtles that don’t have a deposit charge.
@Ron; I need to leave soon, to get another BOTtle of vodka for my inauguration party; i.e. local DePolarBerraBall. Na Zdorowie!
Haha it’s so funny how our electoral college president elect is compromised by Russia, has billions in debt which can be leveraged by them, and may have committed treason with them. Great joke, and strong principles as well as patriotism, Yogi.
I need to run out this morning and buy another BOTtle of vodka.
I am getting more and more people who are interested in my local DePolarBearaBall on Inauguration Day.
Yogi is creeping towards the ignore list. He can’t post anything substantive, all he can do is join the circle jerk with the other morons. When people get angry about people saying a lot of conservatives are dumb they should think about yogi, agent and a couple others here.
What do I need to do to DEFINITELY put myself on your ‘ignore list”?
re-posting or original comment in this thread:
BOTS! You’re late! You should have BOTTED my posts above into hidden status by now.
Isn’t it rich?
Are we all polar bears?
You on the continent, on dry land.
Me on my iceberg, floating somewhere.
Your side didn’t win the election,
Like you planned.
So now you’ve got bunched up underwear.
Send in the BOTS.
FOUR DAYS until our LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE ENDS.
The only uncertainty now about TrumPresident is how many more crooks Obama will pardon over the next few days, and how many protesters will be arrested for violent or illegal protest acts in DC or the surrounding roads leading to the Inauguation area ?
Comrade Yogi wrote, “FOUR DAYS until our LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE ENDS”
…and The Russian Dream begins!
Drago! Drago! Drago!
Well, if there are violent protesters, you can thank James O’Keefe:
http://www.alternet.org/media/conservative-con-artist-james-okeefe-busted-dirty-tricks-against-trump-protesters
One noted idiot here, Bob, claimed O’Keefe was a legitimate source, and was unaware of his repeated fraudulent videos; I’m sure the rest of the Trumpkins believe the same thing.
He should go to jail for this, it is illegal to encourage somebody to commit a crime like this, and he is a repeat offender.
Libitterals have at least 4 more years of TrumPain. Or, they could leave permanently for a Socialist/ Communist country; e.g. N Korea, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.
Not relevant to anything posted. Again, you are stupid beyond belief, or you are a troll. Make relevant posts, or get a life, loser.
Da Svidania! Don’t forget to bring your passport. you may need it to re-enter the US after experiencing life in a fully Socialist country.
TrumPolarBear,
In case you did not see this in the comments section of another article:
Based on what you post, I believe that @realDonaldTrump will be your sole source of information going forward. No bias there.
In addition, I am confident that you are proud to be one of the people Donald Trump was referencing when he said, “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”
With that said, I will cease engaging with you in any more debates regarding President Trump. I will let his actions and the results speak for themselves.
ICCL.
So, with the Republican plan, Pi$$ident-Elect will be covered when he suffers an infection after paying Russian hookers to pee on him?
Didn’t you hear, Planet? That story has been declared a lie. He couldn’t do that because he is a germaphobe. Oh wait, he said a couple years ago he wasn’t a germaphobe. Well he’s very careful. Oh wait, he’s had a ton of affairs and was on the Stern show once when AJ Benza was saying Trump specifically told him he loved having sex with Russians when he went there because they have no morals and didn’t deny it.
Either Trump is lying or everybody else involved is lying.
I know this is off-topic, but how can we trust the incoming administration to thoroughly vet immigrants when they cannot even thoroughly vet a spokesperson?
More important for the FUTURE of the USA;
How can Dem voters ever again vote for a Dem POTUS candidate when the DNC cannot FAIRLY nominate one?
How can we trust Trump? Simple – because he’s a good business man and he’s rich. Any other criteria is just unnecessary.
If this isn’t sarcastic it’s one of the dumbest statements I’ve seen here, and that’s saying a lot with Agent, Yogi and Bob commenting so often.
That’s pretending he is a good bussinessman, which he isn’t based on his bankruptcies, statements from person after person saying he was incompetent about casinos, his casinos doing terribly, and the fact he inherited his money and has done worse than if he had just invested in index funds.
Agree UW. Just being facetious.
Thank God.
How can Dems trust the DNC?
Feel Berned? Join the movement to MAGA. It won’t hurt. In fact, it’ll feel good to earn a living rather than receive welfare and food stamps and watch other people eran much more by working.
What if you aren’t an uninformed, racist, that believes in idiotic disproven theories, and you like Western Civilization and the stability NATO has provided?
Well someone has to pay for the cost of insuring the “high risk” people with pre-existing conditions (about 25% of the USA fits this category). Either the cost is shared by all Americans in the form of higher premiums, or the “high risk” person pays much higher premiums (that they likely can’t afford), or the Taxpayers will pick up the tab in the form of subsidies. Honestly, the problem isn’t the cost of insurance premiums, the root problem is the cost of healthcare. Insurance premiums only reflect the high cost of providing obscenely big profits to drug manufacturers and hospitals and doctors. In the rest of the world, the prices charged for the very same drugs and procedures are controlled by the Government and cost a fraction of what Americans pay. Only in America is providing healthcare to the sick and elderly a “for-profit industry” . Why do we have to reward healthcare providers and Big Pharm so generously at the taxpayers and working person’s expense? Cut out the obscene profits, and the cost of healthcare suddenly is affordable and the premiums are lower. Pretty simple..
No. Wrong. You incorrectly assume the costs are fixed and cannot be reduced.
Wait for the solutions to be revealed in about 1 week.
Oh the costs are fixed alright now by the healthcare providers. Of course prices could be reduced if there was an incentive to do so. but why give up huge profits when you don’t have to? What incentive is there to lower prices under your plan? The market will bear any price – there is no limit to what someone will pay if they are faced with death. Please explain what kind of incentive there could possibly be to lower these prices? I can’t wait to hear the answer that no-one except Trump could come up with!
Lower prices allows capture of larger market share.
Ask any adult upstairs to explain it in further detail.
Wow you are rude. And you really are not very well informed. FYI, very few communities have hospitals competing for market share. When you are the “only game in town” you don’t have any incentive to reduce prices to capture market share. $30 for an aspirin in a hospital? Sure, why not. Most communities are lucky to have even one major hospital. I guess you will just have to learn the hard way by experiencing reality after the new plan is put into action and you someday need major medical care. I can see that you are not interested in learning anything from anybody by your responses to everyone who has posted on this forum. Attempting to have an intelligent conversation with you seems to only result in your hurling insults. Good luck!
It was a challenge, but now it has become a big WASTE of TIME to try to edify you. If you like Socialized medicine, move to Cana-duh, Britain, etc.
But take note when you’re packing your bags that health care and insurance in the US will become private market driven, with increased competition, greater incentives for innovation in regard to drugs and medical procedures, insurance pools for high cost risks, and specific cost accounting for cost redux.
Polar,
I come to tell you once again you are a toxic, hateful bigot who continues to embarrass the Republican party. Jean tries to have a civil minded, adult debate with you and as always you respond with an insult, “Ask any adult upstairs to explain it in further detail” – you insinuated she/he isn’t an adult. You are so consumed with your own echo chamber that you lack any form of empathy, logic and kindness. Disagreeing with someone doesn’t always mean you have to insult them. Find another blog to terrorize. Any hate you receive you ask for.
Jean – sorry for this child. He, unfortunately, tries to be the speaker of the Republican party but I promise you not all of us think the way he does. BTW – I am fairly confident he is somewhere between the age of 13 to 16 and just spews what he overhears his parents saying at the dinner table so try to be patient with him. And yes, he does need a lot of luck! Have a great day!
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It was a challenge, but now it has become a big WASTE of TIME to try to edify you. If you like Socialized medicine, move to Cana-duh, Britain, etc.
But take note when you’re packing your bags that health care and insurance in the US will become private market driven, with increased competition, greater incentives for innovation in regard to drugs and medical procedures, insurance pools for high cost risks, and specific cost accounting for cost redux.
@CTT: No one cares about your opinion, especially me.
I don’t know if I can stand the suspense and excitement of our LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE COMING TO AN END in 3 days.
I think I’ll hibernate until a few hours before OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE comes to an end, and TrumPresident starts to MAGA.
Now, … where did I put my alarm clock?
Kremlin Comrade Yogi wrote, “I don’t know if I can stand the suspense and excitement of our LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE COMING TO AN END in 3 days”
…and The Russian Dream begins!
Drago! Drago! Drago!
TrumPolar, looks like Celtica changed her moniker to Jean now. No more believable than she was before. Sore loser Fake News, Buzzfeed just like the other trolls.
That’s ok, let them rant. They lost.
Ummm, no, I did not change my screen name or even create a second one. But you go right on creating your own fake news just like your messiah Trum-pee…
Amazing how someone named “Jean” can time it just right to weigh in on the most divisive issue of the past 6 years. Perhaps a paid Sore-ass troll? You people need some serious Preparation H treatment and stop reading Buzzfeed Fake News.
No, Agent.
Celtica prob recruited another Libitteral to help spam the board with bitter snowflake rants about health care costs that are wildly exaggerated to TRY to convince low information voters that the ‘world will come to an end and people will die in the streets’ if the ACA is repealed and NO PLAN is PUBLICIZED ahead of the TrumPresidency.
Loony left wingers are going to be even loonier over the next few months.
TrumPolar, do you think Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg will make good on her promise to leave for New Zealand early so Trump will have another appointment to make or do like the Hollywierdo’s and stay and whine?
TrumPolar, my countdown clock is at 2 days and about 8 hours left in the Obama legacy. There was a famous science fiction movie made years ago that they replay once in a while on cable channels. It was called The Incredible Shrinking Man. Obama is shrinking daily and the legacy will be non-existent soon. No wonder these libs are so angry.
His brain is shrinking with ever SCORCHED EARTH ACTION he takes.
It will add more nails in the coffin of the Democrat Party.
As pushback, Americans with moral fiber will remember the petulant actions in 2018, and we will see 60 – 63 Republican Senators. The number of Republican Representatives in the House will also increase, although not as significantly as will be the case in the Senate.
A dark decade, perhaps a few generations, lie ahead for Dems due to the ‘legacy’ of BHO.
Trump announced he will start his presidency with a 3 day weekend because he doesn’t want to get the start of his term confused with his party. This guy is an illegitimate president who will be a failed president. He isn’t competent, sane or interested in the job. The only question is how much destruction and how many failures will we have to endure before Republicans accept it, and will he be impeached?
Hearing voices in your head, again?
I think he is. They are voices of logic and reason. You should familiarize yourself with those concepts some day.
You think? Not sure? Ask an adult upstairs for help in deciding. Ask your parents or legal guardians if they could explain ‘FAKE NEWS’ to you.
“Fake news” will be the new refrain of the idiots. It is truly amazing how quickly the dumbest of the deplorables start parroting whatever they are told: the same idiots that are birthers, scream about pedophile rings in pizza parlors, Benghazi, deny seemingly all science and scientists.
Trump stated it, this is a quote. You’ve lost it along with any credibility you might think you have, you racist, birther, lying POS
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314498-trump-monday-will-be-day-one-of-administration
@UW:
4 or 8 years that follow will have the following for you to consider;
SCOTUS with 5, then 6 Conservative Justices, perhaps seated for a decade or a generation (25 years).
ACA repealed and replaced with a BETTER plan.
Regulations turned back.
Obama’s Executive Orders reversed.
Allies shunned or insulted by Obama will be welcomed, again.
Dems will lose more Senate seats in 2018 as they have 23 seats up for re-election to 8 Republican seats. TWO (2) Independent seats are also up for election. Many of the 23 Dem seats are in states that TrumPresident won.
Iran Nukes Bad Deal will be cancelled.
ISIS will be wiped off the face of the Earth.
Nas Drowie!
Also;
12 Million Illegal Immigrants will be registered or ejected from the USA.
A 1200 mile wall will be built within 2 years along the US Mexico border.
Millions of snowflakes will lose welfare benefits and will have to work to earn a living. I’ll bet you’re one of them.
I’ll add more later.
Again, Prince Idiot cannot reply to anything. Lie, get destroyed, spam. Loser, Sad!
How do you have time to learn all this policy so in depth when you are so busy practicing bird law?
Where is the PROOF of the Buzzfeed and CNN fake news being fake?
Provide that or STFU.
^ should say “…fake news being true?”
You aren’t competent because you don’t seem to know the difference between what Buzzfeed and what CNN reported. CNN reported McCain thought this dossier was credible enough to independently research it and turn it over to the intelligence agencies, and they confirmed other intelligence agencies had heard about the same thing. They also reported the intelligence agencies thought it was credible enough to brief both the president and Trump about it. None of that is debatable, and it’s not “fake news”. You don’t even know what fake news is, you are just repeating what you hear and are told to say. CNN also reported, confirmed by multiple sources, that there was more in the briefing, not just what was in the dossier. Trump acknowledged in his press conference he had been briefed on it, confirming what CNN had reported. CNN did not report the contents of the dossier.
On top of that, the BBC reported, and indpendently confirmed with at least 2 sources in intelligence that more material exists and that it was included in the briefings.
You don’t know what “fake news” is, and I’m not really going to take a Fox News viewer seriously when they complain about it; I definitely will not take a damn Birther seriously when they complain about it. You are a joke, now post an irrelevant link and get back to downvoting, you have let a few contrary opinions slip by.
UW,
At what point do we quit calling it an approval rating and say what his numbers really are, disapproval?
Many say they have no opinion so it is less cut and dry than his approval rating. He will jump to almost 50 after the election, but will drop again after that, and it will be permanent until he is impeached, resigns, or there is a massive terrorist attack or war. Trump’s best interests and the best interests of the country are opposite. He will be like Bush who was done within 9 months but benefitted from 9/11.
Buzzfeed, Fake News!
Only THREE more days until OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE ENDS!
You mean Putin’s nightmare ends, doncha, now that Putin has his dream team in place in Washington.
No. Is English your 3rd language? or 4th?
Also; read Putin’s latest JAB at Dems. He calls it like it is; i.e. Dems are at fault and are BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE for their failures.
Putin is trashing Obama. That Failure-In-Chief will be exposed as such by Republicans indirectly through their corrective actions over the next few years. The evidence will be the growth in the economy, creation of jobs, building a wall, making the US safer, and making US citizens proud of their leaders again.
Yes, take seriously Putin’s comments when he clearly has reason to prefer Trump so the US is weakened. You STILL have not said if agree that Russia hacked our country, or if don’t, revealed what info you have that contradicts the US intelligence agencies. Clown. Joke. Loser. Sad!
When your health insurance costs too much and it doesn’t pay for anything ’cause the deductibles are too high, who ya gonna call?
ACA Busters!
Attention, Libitterals and Millennial Snowflakes; here is an EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY that involves ‘work’ you would actually enjoy…
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/17/ads-two-dozen-cities-offer-protesters-2500-agitate/
You can be a PITA and get paid for it, rather than get nothing for being a TROLL on IJ.
TrumPolar, this seems to be the appropriate place to put a good zinger in for our down voting Progressive bots.
Do you know someone who is suffering from Trump Unacceptance & Resistance Disorder aka TURD?
Know the signs, spot the symptoms, and save a life.
TURD is a pattern of pathologically dissociative and psychotic behavior, first observed in the late hours of November 8th, 2016 and increasing in severity with passing time.
Sufferers of TURD often exhibit pronounced cognitive dissonance, sudden bouts of rage, rioting, and uncontrollable crying.
People with TURD are characterized by a persistent unwillingness to accept that Donald Trump is going to make America great again.
Research is ongoing, but TURD appears to correlate closely with the following environmental and behavioral factors:
Membership in the Democratic Party
Identifying as a Feminist
Currently enrolled in college, and/or possession of a Liberal Arts college degree.
Living in a densely populated metropolitan area.
Massive Student Debt
Spotty or non-existent work history
Patients with TURD are very resistant to treatment, and dangerous in large groups. Any possibility of treatment requires that they be separated from their hive-mind support apparatus; they cannot begin the process of accepting reality in the presence of encouragement towards delusion and irrationality. Separation may require the assistance of law enforcement.
If you have a friend or loved one suffering from TURD, urge them to seek treatment. Together, we can beat this scourge, and Make America Great Again.
Looks like it is time for TrumPolarBear to assume a new screen name — again.
Ooooh, will it have pee or death panel in it?
Maybe gun-grabber.
Captain — how about calling them Trum-pees…
How about we call your outgoing hero OBLAMA? That is about all he can do now that the agenda it toast.
Agent, the Obama agenda retained the auto industry the US when the GOP wanted to toss it away, recovered the stock market from 7500 to 20,000, more than halved unemployment to 5% and got us the hell out of Bush’s wars. And gave health care to all Americans.
You can try and dismantle the ACA — but without a replacement plans (you know, the one you ALWAYS said you had), you will be stripping this benefit from Americans. Good luck with the 2018 mid term election.
Loser Libitteral Celtica;
ACA is being dismantled and there’s NOTHING you can do about it, SNOWFLAKE!
There are SEVERAL replacement plans.
Those who may lose coverage were out of work and almost all were Dem voters from long ago, so their loss of coverage, temporarily. wont have ANY effect on midterm elections. But, you can think it will turn the Congress over to Dems if it gives you solace from your miserable snowflake existence.
After the ongoing Scorched Earth policy by Obama, the Republicans will have at least 60 Senate seats after the midterm elections.
In a matter of months, a FIFTH Conservative Justice of the SCOTUS will be seated. Another Conservative Justice will later be seated on SCOTUS to replace Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg, making it SIX Conservatives for at east a decade if not a generation.
You have the right to freedom of speech. Make use of it to further prove you are clueless, delusional, and a bitter, sore loser.
Celtica says: “wait until Midterm elections”.
I can’t wait! Can it be accelerated, somehow?
“Those who may lose coverage were out of work and almost all were Dem voters from long ago,”
You are absolutely brainwashed, and 100% idiotic. It’s honestly stunning and disturbing that there is anybody in the country, much less this site, that can give Agent a run for his money when it comes to stupidity, but you might be worse.
Oblama will go down in history as the worst President with the worst agenda in our history. Celtica, you have been exposed to buzzfeed Fake News. You should get over it and let Trump straighten out the mess made.
Yes, reducing unemployment, increasing health insurance coverage, slowing the growth of health insurance costs, killing bin Laden, saving the auto industry, keeping the world from another depression, ending the ground wars in Iraq and Afghanistan while stopping the calls for war with Iran, and supporting new industries like solar energy are all agendas conservatives disagree with.
Idiot
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Attention, Libitterals and Millennial Snowflakes; here is an EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY that involves ‘work’ you would actually enjoy…
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/17/ads-two-dozen-cities-offer-protesters-2500-agitate/
You can be a PITA and get paid for it, rather than get nothing for being a TROLL on IJ.
You are the only troll here, and you post so often I wouldn’t be surprised if you were unemployed.
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When your health insurance costs too much and it doesn’t pay for anything ’cause the deductibles are too high, who ya gonna call?
ACA Busters!
LOL at Libitteral Hollyweird sore losers;
http://feature.variety.com/the-inauguration-issue/
Obama and other libs blame Bush, Rush, the Russians, and the US.
Anyone with a ‘us’ in their name gets blamed.
“We the People” has a nice sound to it. Republic, not Democracy.
Why can’t we model our healthcare system on programs tht are successful in other countries? For example the Swiss pay about 27% less per capita for their health care, and in spite of the fact that 65% of the Swiss smoke, their mortality tables show that they live about 4% longer than us?
Maybe the Swiss eat less junk food, and drink less soda (high fructose corn syrup or aspartame). Maybe they eat more natural foods that are not sprayed with multiple pesticides. There are many food additives that are illegal in European countries that are allowed in American foods. A relative of mine works in food development for a large intl corp, and they have different ingredients in the European v American products. The problem with our “sick-care” system is too many sick people ! Get rid of all the chemicals that are making people sick and that would be a major step toward lower health costs.
Only 51 hours left in our LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE!
TrumPolar, one thing that is abundantly clear on this forum is that you are really in the head of the Progressive Socialists. They can’t stand the truth and they can’t stand that we will have a new president in a few days who is pledged to clean up the mess their leader made. We have seen a lot of vitriol over the past 6 years on this issue. I hope the plan that will replace will have coverage for frontal lobotomies with no deductible. These people really, really need it.
UNDER 48 hours until OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE ENDS.
…and The Russian Dream begins!
Drago! Drago! Drago!
So, all of you a**-sucking Obama lovers..you’re guy is letting a treasonist free..letting him walk…out free, among America loving citizens (by America loving, I mean anyone who actually loves this country…many of whom are NOT on this blog…)…someone who committed a crime that is, under our own law, I might add, PUNISHABLE BY DEATH. What an SOB Obama is. My depth of disregard/lack of respect/unadulterated hatred for that man has sunk to a new low. I cannot wait for that MF to get out of my WH.
@Patticake;
Dems are critical of Russians, who they claim hacked the 2016 Elections, yet Hillary won Calibfornia, NY, MN, IL, VA, CT, etc.
Dems are supportive of Bradley Chelsea Manning for revealing TOP SECRETS that jeopardize the safety of US citizens indirectly, and US intel personnel directly and certainly.
Dems are hypocrites. They pick and chose what they want to support or criticize to fit their agenda.
The US intelligence agencies, the FBI, Obama, Biden, McCain, independent technology security firms, and even Trump believe Russia hacked the election. What information do you have contradictory to their conclusions?
Patticake, my count down clock is at 1 day, 8 hours and change. I have a feeling that traitors will be treated differently in the next four years. The pardon parade continues for the worst President in history.
How in the heck is Ronald Reagan still on a pardon parade? Isn’t he fully consumed by worms by now?
Patti, you must support treason charges and execution for General Petraeus then, right? I know I do.
Also, Democrats want to look into the possible treason by Trump and his administration. Republicans for the most part do not. Do you support this?
Do you think Trump should face a treason trial for publicly calling on Russia to hack and release information from a former Secretary of State after he had already been briefed they were responsible for hacking political campaigns in the US?
Do you also want the US public to not know our military was killing innocents, and then murdering paramedics, or do you think we have a right to know, and it was not proper to classify that information? If not, why?
Comrade Pattycakes, to get to that conclusion you really had to ignore how Wikileaks put Trump as Twitterer in Charge. Just saying….
“letting a treasonist free” — A PARDON and A COMMUTED SENTENCE are two very different things. The treasonist, who has spent more days in jail than any other person who leaked information, had their sentence COMMUTED. They were not pardoned. BIG difference. The distinction is important here because they weren’t let free (pardon) they were allowed to leave jail early (and still have the guilty verdict attached to their criminal history).
Well, that’s not how Faux News spun it. Let’s listen to Sean InsHannity and his buddy Julian Assange tell us the story.
Faux News – delivering up lies since inception.
Your**
STATES will lead the charge for replacement plans…. as I said MULTIPLE times, here and other places on Al Gore’s Internet…
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/18/price-suggests-states-will-lead-on-obamacare-replacement-wants-access-for-everybody.html
Still no details were provided, as I recently said, because Libitterals have recently mobilized ONLINE, with talking points that include mostly LIES about the repeal and replacement…. and with BOTs to censor Conservative’s discussion of the details and why it will fix problems, not tax people to subsidize other people.
MAGA! and MACFA (Make Americans Cared For Again!)
He (HHS Head nominee Tom Price) also argued that more insurance accessibility along with financial help for consumers are the keys to a better plan.
Still, Price suggested Trump and congressional Republicans will incrementally replace ObamaCare, instead of substituting it with a wholesale replacement.
On ObamaCare, Trump told The Washington Post over the weekend that he’s close to having a plan that will provide insurance for everybody and lower some costs. That surprised many on Capitol Hill, where Republicans are still looking for a path.
Kentucky GOP Sen. Rand Paul is among them and last week outlined his plan to Fox News that included more low-cost plans, health saving accounts and tax credits to help customers save money.
FOX NEWS on ACA repeal & replacement = Fair & Balanced News & Info.
Other news media = Fake News with a Libitteral Agenda.
Comrade Trum-pee-Polar-Bear has had too much Trum-pee kook-ade to be able to distinguish between real, fake and fawning news.
Celtica,
You’ll have to forgive Comrade Yogi, he’s consumed so much Faux News, he’s too far gone.
Here come da BOTs!
It’s actually fun seeing how many times I can vote you into oblivion.
The safe bet on the bot is the idiot who types a message every 5 minutes, with most of them being almost random and not related to any other comments.
Nas Dorowie!
Are you available to attend a DeploraBall in your hometown?
Free vodka for anyone who attests that they voted for TrumPresident!
Would you rather say you didn’t vote for TrumPresident or get something FREE?
Here’s a clue as to my guess as to your decision;
Nas Dorowie, new, temporarily for the DeploraBall only, Comrade actu!
What libitteral could pass up a freebie over an internal struggle with their values and principles?
While Price gave some indication of Trump’s plan, he carefully made sure not to overstep the president-elect by speculating or providing extensive detail before Trump announces his plan.
TrumPlan late this weekend or early next week. Depends on getting a few other things done before the end of the weekend.
Well it seems the weekday president has parties to attend to over the weekend — so won’t be signing anything day 1 — but day 3. He also doesn’t have a plan to announce so it probably won’t be day 3 either.
WRONG.
4 or 5 Executive orders will be signed on Friday afternoon or Saturday morning.
All 4 or 5 will repeal Executive orders of Obama that were most harmful / injurious to the US labor force or US business.
I TELL YOU WHAT,
I’m so old, I remember Pi$$ident Elect Incestuous Son of Supply Side Jesus telling us on day one he’s repealing the ACA and on day 2 he’s replacing it with something great. Now, he’s talking about taking weekends off. No wonder his disapproval rating is in the 60’s.
TrumPolar, sure was good to see that Churchill bust back in the Oval Office when our new President was busy signing Executive Orders.
Breaking news – the organizers of the event just told the Pi$$ident-Elect, “Due to an overwhelming lack of interest, we are going to waive the cover charge and offer each attending adult, 21 and over, 2 free drinks to urine-auguration.”
They can’t even get cover bands to play.
Sam of Sam & Dave fame is performing.
Will Hollyweird ostracize him? He’s 82 and wealthy enough to retire. So, Hollyweird can’t use their blacklisting power to sway him to bail out. But ‘deplorables’ can stop buying products and merchandise sold by Libitteral Hollyweird ‘artists’. Apparently, they didn’t fully think through the implication and consequences of their childish, Anti-TrumPresident, anti-Republican, anti-American, anti-Conservative hissy fits.
Oh crap, Sam is playing, we stand corrected, all the big A-Listers are playing /s
Why was his event yesterday so much smaller than the protests? Sad! Losers!
They can’t even get tribute bands of cover bands to play.
Slightly over 27 hours until OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE ENDS!
Nas Dorowie!
27 hours and 15 minutes!
The BOT app is broken or needs to be re-charged.
Perhaps the BOT app owner is saving battery power for the Inauguration, when a BOT attack will be launched as part of the many Libitterals’ protests?
27 hours to go until OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE ENDS!
…and The Russian Dream begins, Kremlin Comrade Yogi. Or, should I call you Kremlin Komrade Krony Yogi?
TrumPolar, Madonna said she had been thinking of blowing up the White House. Back in the day, the Secret Service would have had her in cuffs in a heart beat for threatening the life of the President and staff. After making that threat, she said her statement was taken out of context. What context? A threat is a threat. Lock her up, put her on trial for domestic terrorism.
Sounds like buyers remorse is starting already. If president-elect Trump is happy to take credit for decisions made by companies before he was even elected, does he get the blame for these job losses?
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/18/news/economy/donald-trump-gm-lordstown-job-cuts-ohio/index.html
Here is an interesting snip-it from the article, “He’s worked at GM (GM) for seven years and makes $25 an hour installing brake lines. It’s the kind of pay that finally allowed him to buy a house and decent sports equipment for his kids. Other factories in the area pay only $9 to $12 an hour.”
Even if President Trump brings manufacturing jobs back to replace these jobs, the standard of living for a lot of these people will be much lower.
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/fiona-apples-protest-chant-tiny-hands-meets-trump-at-his-level
An interesting turn of events:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/19/fox-news-poll-views-on-obamacare-shift.html
Ron and UW you are my heroes on this dark day. I have been following these boards for a while and Yogi-trumpeepee-supply side yeezus kill-all-the-polar-bears is a toxic, disgusting, bigot. I wish I had time to support and defend Obama’s record with you and help explain some economics of 101. By the way, one of the reasons people said they did not like ACA is because of the fake news AND Sarah Palining of the product. LIES from the right. Death panels never appeared! Ask Kentuckians how they feel about KyNect. They love it. Ask them how they feel about Obamacare–they HATE it. They are the same product!!! The states that made it their own with their exchanges (go CA) did not have giant increases. The increases slowed way down compared to pre-ACA. In flood zones everyone is compelled to pay into the flood insurance. We all have bodies that can break down or are subject to random disasters such as cancer or car accidents. Everyone has to pay together for these risks. You redneck righties should understand that we have ALL been paying for the uninsured for decades through increased costs of the product. They don’t shut you out of an emergency room if you are dying. They just jack up prices. I know dozens of people bankrupted by medical expenses before ACA. Now God help us all.
yes there’s been a rough discussion over it but the companies in India such as LIC https://www.licindialogin.in/ start health insurance and other charge a huge sum for the follow ups.