Insurers Mull Obamacare Exits as Uncertainty, Losses Mount

By | February 16, 2017

  • February 16, 2017 at 1:51 pm
    GoldC says:
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    It’s been such a success for 20 million Americans that all Democrats are crying their crocodile tears about the Trump administration’s attempts to dismantle the ACA, yet insurer after insurer withdraws as prices soar – is there really a marketplace left???

  • February 16, 2017 at 2:02 pm
    PolarBeaRepeal says:
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    20 MILLION NEW insureds is a LIE.

    12M were dropped from Medicaid and put on ACA.

    7M were forced to drop their in-force private insurance policies, which were deemed non-compliant with ACA, and forced to buy an ACA policy.

    1M were new policies / coverage. But a good portion of them received highly subsidized or free policies.

    the Death Spiral was built into the scheme by Dems seeking a Single Payer system – by causing the ACA to fail to achieve that end.

    • February 16, 2017 at 2:44 pm
      Agent says:
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      Polar, the full exit is on the way. In March, they can then make plans to offer coverage to all Americans applying as they drop their disastrous current plans. That is a good thing, by the way.

      • February 16, 2017 at 3:58 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        A long ago critic of Hillarycare in 1993 is now saying the Republican plan will come together in late March or early April.

        I hear that drug costs will be a main target for cost savings, as well as essential coverages instead of the ACA mandated coverages.

        • February 16, 2017 at 5:47 pm
          Agent says:
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          Polar, perhaps the newly designed app will have boxes to check on whether birth control, abortions and other coverages are desired or to be rejected. If coverage is rejected, the premium should be lower, right? A free country should be able to make choices, not mandated to take everything they don’t want. That is the Progressive way and how did that turn out?

          • February 16, 2017 at 8:43 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Agent;

            A Progressive is a person who believes OTHER people should be free to choose, as long as they choose the one option chosen for them by Elite Progressives.

            Hence, Obamacare mandated lots of extra stuff being covered for an ACA compliant policy, and those opposed to it used “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” as a theme song.

          • February 16, 2017 at 8:47 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            I almost forgot to address your point about the USA being a free country.

            Free handouts for Illegal Aliens,
            Free cell phones for Obama supporters,
            Free health insurance under ACA,
            Free food stamps,
            Free money for Solar Power startups,
            Free birth control for law students in Georgetown U.
            Free, free, free!
            Everything is free as far as the eye can see.

          • February 17, 2017 at 7:00 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            You forgot about a check box for botox treatment for old libs. Give me freedom from wrinkles – covered by insurance – or give me (self-pay) debt!

  • February 16, 2017 at 11:07 pm
    Boonedoggle says:
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    Why concern ourselves with ACA. Trump repeatedly promised that it would be repealled and IMMEDIATELY replaced with a new program providing EVERYONE with much better coverage at much less cost.

    INSURANCE JOURNAL would do us a favor by explaining the details of Trumpcare, since previously the private insurance sector was too dumb to figure it out.

    • February 17, 2017 at 6:54 am
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      “Immediate” is Trumptalk for “soon”.

      Expect delays because of late entry of idea from wonks and geeks.

      Would you rather have the architects rush out a plan that would be similar to ACA? That wouldn’t address underlying costs? That wouldn’t open competition up across state lines? That wouldn’t involve tort reform for med mal? That…. well, I think you get the idea why all the competing plans being considered have to be combined carefully to avoid EmmanuelGruberJarrettPelosiReidCare.

      Thank God for TrumPresident and ObamaCarExit!

      • February 17, 2017 at 8:47 am
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        Great. Now we have Trumptalk, whatever that means. Maybe it means that we need to take him literally, but not seriously; or seriously, but not literally; or both, but never neither. Fortunately for the IJ crowd, we have PolarBeaRepeal to interpret to tell us how he is to be interpreted.

        I will give President Trump credit, he has effectively eliminated any culpability for him or his administration. Now we only have either:
        1. Positive news for President Trump and his administration; or
        2. Fake news.

        • February 17, 2017 at 8:53 am
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          Correction: Remove ‘to interpret’ from “Fortunately for the IJ crowd, we have PolarBeaRepeal to interpret to tell us how he is to be interpreted.”

          • February 17, 2017 at 9:34 am
            Agent says:
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            Fortunately, we won’t have Obamacare or Single Payer government insurance that you advocated. We are getting rid of the former and avoiding the bigger nightmare. The fake news is propagated by the ALT LEFT. They need to find a new career.

          • February 17, 2017 at 10:40 am
            Ron says:
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            And, that is relevant to my post how?

          • February 17, 2017 at 12:12 pm
            Agent says:
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            Ron, you have been bashing Conservatives for years for misinterpreting your posts. You clearly speak a different language and now you are griping that you can’t understand Polar’s posts. How is this for a post?Progressive Socialism Is Dead! RIP! Got it yet or do you not understand plain language?

          • February 17, 2017 at 12:54 pm
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            Agent,

            You are right. We do speak different languages. I speak from a fact-based analytical point of view where you prefer an opinion-based emotional point of view.

            Considering that Progressive Socialism NEVER existed in this country, I am not sure why you are now espousing its demise.

            For someone whose side is in full control, you are coming off as quite angry. Relax, have a beer, and enjoy as President Trump and the Republicans MAGA (for rich, white, Christian men).

          • February 17, 2017 at 4:19 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Ron is approaching meltdown stage. Everyone run for cover!

          • February 19, 2017 at 7:52 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Ron says:
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            And, that is relevant to my post how?

            *********************************************************

            Your post ISN’T relevant… or a mandate, or guiding.

            Review the topic of the article on which these comments are based. TIA.

      • February 21, 2017 at 9:00 am
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        Don’t lie, Comrade Yogi. Immediate means what everyone knows it to mean. And in i45’s case, he clarified it, saying on day 1:

        “On the first day of presidency, on my very first day I plan to repeal Obamacare so hard that it’ll make his ancestors in Africa shiver with awe. I mean, I am going to take that piece of legislation and wipe my a** with it. That’s how much I dislike Obamacare and what I think about it. By the way, that’s also how I feel about Ted Cruz, but that’s not the point right now,” Trump said jokingly, causing Stephanopoulos to laugh.

        “Seriously though,” the billionaire businessman continued, “that’s what I plan on doing. And then first thing in the morning on day two, I’m going to replace it with a much better service that’s genuinely going to take care of every poor person in the United States. I’m talking daily food rations, clean clothes, a place to spend the night, possibly new jobs, it’s all going to be awesome, it’s going to be utopia. I’m going to make it so good that people are going to want to become homeless just to qualify for Trumpcare. And by the way, that’s what I’m going to call it. A huge, flashy neon sign is going to be placed above the entrance to every Trumpcare facility across the country. I want people to know who made it possible for them to have a better life.”

  • February 17, 2017 at 1:13 pm
    FFA says:
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    I wonder how much money they spend sending duplicate mailings. I just received my 4th set of cards for my dental coverage for this year. They always includes a second page in foreign languages. When I check the box that says English, why send me a second sheet of printed paper with languages I cant understand?

    Also, why send the same crap to my wife? We are both on the same policy.

    Such an inefficient way of doing things…

    • February 17, 2017 at 4:14 pm
      Agent says:
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      Good old Ron, still in denial I see. Still don’t think you voted twice for a Socialist or that he didn’t promote Progressive Socialism for 8 years. Gee, I wonder how Obama’s policies and thug Progressive Hillary managed to get rejected in November. Wonder how the mid terms kept going against them since Obamacare was passed. How did all those statehouses, governorships go for Progressive Democrats? They are all squealing like pigs and blaming everyone but themselves.

      • February 19, 2017 at 7:37 am
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Here’s a theory, which seems to hold water, that I’ve read elsewhere…

        Mid term elections are held in 50 states, every TWO YEARS, whereas the EC system applies in POTUS ELECTIONS every 4 years.

        Each state in a mid-term election is a ‘battle ground state’ for Congressional seats, and this is SLIGHTLY more true for HoR seats than Senate seats.

        Only a handful of states are battle ground states in a POTUS election determined by the Electoral College System (NOT the popular vote!).

        Libs can organize voter fraud or voter turnout efforts in a small number of battle ground states more easily than they can organize such fraud or voter turnout assistance in 50 states.

        Hence, it apparent why Obama won his 2nd term in office, … beyond Romney’s weaknesses and lies to cover up the Benghazi, Libya murder of 4 Americans while Obama and Clinton stood still.

        Nice theory. It has some points that need to be supported, but it certainly holds water.

    • February 18, 2017 at 6:32 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      After a few years of TrumPresidency we will hear recorded answering messages as follows:

      Press one for English.
      Press two for English.
      Press three for English.
      Press any &*$% number for English, except press 10 for Polar Bearian.

  • February 18, 2017 at 8:17 pm
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    “Just so you understand, our plan will be much better healthcare at a much lower cost,” he added. “OK? Nothing to complain about.”

    Words of Donald Trump, February 18, 2017 Issue resolved!

    • February 19, 2017 at 7:28 am
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      When only essential coverages are included, high cost risks are effectively and efficiently ‘pooled’ – as they were before ACA, and other cost control measures (which I won’t reveal now) are implemented, that will be the sought result of ACA R&R.

      Libitterals have much to learn from professionals, rather than be misled by the lies of amateurs and crooks like Obama, Jarrett, Gruber, Emmanuel, Pelosi, Reid, and Joe “This is a big %&#$% deal” Biden.

      If you like your policy, … um … doctor …. um…
      If you like you party, you can keep your liberal socialist party.

    • February 19, 2017 at 6:12 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      More fake news, this time by WAPO:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/19/the-prospects-of-a-quick-obamacare-repeal-are-sinking-fast/?utm_term=.edfce35dc918

      The ‘fast’ criteria isn’t a wise choice. Look what happened with ACA, which was assembled too fast, and too carelessly.

      • February 20, 2017 at 10:53 am
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        When is it smart policy to not read a 2,700 page bill that was written by Progressive Socialists before voting for it? Apparently, they all were true believers in Pelosi Galore when she said they had to pass it to see what was in it. That is why the mid term meltdowns began and continue to this day.

        • February 20, 2017 at 3:11 pm
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          When US citizens found out what’s in it, they bypassed Pelosi’s cohort to elect Republicans to repeal it.

          • February 20, 2017 at 3:12 pm
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            Oops! ‘cohorts’, plural.

          • February 20, 2017 at 4:13 pm
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            And repeal it they will. Perhaps not at the speed that the President wants since there are still politicians who are in office who aren’t used to doing things promptly. Ryan and McConnell are starting to see the light now and I believe they know they have to do the right thing for America. Perhaps March or April followed closely by tax reform. Then, the money parked offshore will be repatriated so we can create even more investment, jobs in America.

          • February 20, 2017 at 5:54 pm
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            I see the repeal as being a slow motion deconstruction.

            First, the ACA policies will NOT be cancelled. They will be allowed to expire over 1-2 years, perhaps with one renewal.

            Second, people who had valid, preferred policies before ACA, but who had to replace them because their policies weren’t ACA compliant, will get back their original, free market policy, with whatever coverage choices they prefer(red).

            Third, states will implement several laws to fix problems not fixed by ACA. Blue states will try to resist, but the Red states actions will force Blue states to follow the leader.

            Fourth – Nth steps: I’m unsure of how many things will happen before Congress sets the last phases of the ACA R&R plan in motion.

          • February 21, 2017 at 10:58 pm
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            Also; a reminder: TrumPresident ALREADY signed an EO to lessen the burden of the ACA on US citizens.

            So much for Libitterals criticism that he didn’t repeal it on Day One. It is not a repeal, but the impact is reduced drastically by the EO.

            The in-force policies will be allowed to expire and be renewed ONCE, for continuity of coverage while better, private market policy solutions are introduced, along with tort reform on med mal, and some stuff I can’t yet reveal.
            Stay tuned!

            HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS.

  • February 21, 2017 at 9:42 am
    Agent says:
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    Polar, we can’t afford to get it wrong again. One huge disaster is quite enough. The free market can determine what to offer and competition will force them to be competitive.

    • February 21, 2017 at 12:53 pm
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      If no error will be tolerated, the Republicans better not invite ANY Dems to participate in the final draft of ACA R&R.

  • February 21, 2017 at 12:55 pm
    PolarBeaRepeal says:
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    Not only did O sabotage the US healthcare system, he did other such treasonous things…. e.g.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/21/exclusive-lawmakers-to-request-probe-of-418m-arms-sale-to-kenya-on-obamas-last-day/

    • February 21, 2017 at 12:56 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      How many BOT-like libitterals on this site will defend O now?

    • February 21, 2017 at 12:58 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      FYI: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sedition

      This ^ could come into play very soon!

    • February 21, 2017 at 1:28 pm
      Ron says:
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      1. I researched this and only found conservative “news” sites reporting. Not even Fox News.
      2. If true, this is unacceptable from President Obama and his administration.
      3. While it is poor business, there is nothing that appears to be treasonous.

      • February 21, 2017 at 5:31 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Sales of arms to another, likely dangerous nation.

        When have we heard that before?

        (F&F)

        • February 22, 2017 at 8:43 am
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          Based on what information is Kenya considered a dangerous country to the U.S. or any of its interests? These planes are being used to fight an actual terrorist organization.

          • February 22, 2017 at 10:19 am
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            Arms intended for Mexican law enforcement ended up in the hands of criminals, and eventually ended the lives of American Border Patrol agents.

            The same ‘Fast & Furious’ end result will happen in Kenya. Book it.

            Oh, by the way, here’s something for you to read, to try to piece together a plan to get rid of TrumPresident. Only one problem remains; Pence would succeed him, and THAT would be much worse for Libitterals…

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

          • February 22, 2017 at 10:26 am
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            So, you have no basis in classifying Kenya as a dangerous country?

            As bob would say, false equivalency. Mexico is next door, not thousands of miles away. See how I did not defend President Obama and his administration for the F&F scandal?

            For the record, I want President Trump to complete his 4-year term and then get voted out by the people, not removed by politicians. It would send a louder message.

            In addition, I would take Mike Pence as president over Trump or Hillary Clinton.

        • February 24, 2017 at 5:11 pm
          Agent says:
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          Polar, new name I saw for Hilliary. Now, she should be called Distillary since she is on the sauce after her historic defeat.

      • February 21, 2017 at 5:45 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Call Dem Congressman Sanford Bishop and tell him he’s a liar.

        I dare you.

        Fake of Faked News.

        • February 22, 2017 at 8:43 am
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          Where did I say the story is false or anyone is a liar?

          • February 22, 2017 at 10:31 am
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            You questioned the source as only being “news” reported by ONE source.

            Word games are played by people on the losing side of a debate.

          • February 22, 2017 at 10:54 am
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            I would say the same thing about a story reported only by liberal “news” sites.

            What word games?

            I try to honestly have a fair debate with you, but you have no interest.

        • February 23, 2017 at 5:13 pm
          Agent says:
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          Polar, didn’t we have our Embassy blown up in Kenya from Islamic Extremists some years ago or am I “confused”?

      • February 21, 2017 at 5:46 pm
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        Psst; it’s an exclusive story…. which will soon be taken up by other news outlets if it is reported in the Congressional records.

        • February 22, 2017 at 8:45 am
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          As I stated, “If true, this is unacceptable from President Obama and his administration.”

          Therefore, if you are right, then I stand by my statement of condemnation against President Obama and his administration regarding this issue.

          Fair enough?

          • February 22, 2017 at 9:48 am
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            It’s funny Ron, but I don’t remember you criticizing Hilliary & Obama for selling $250 million in arms to the Muslim Brotherhood back in the day. Good thing they didn’t stay in power long or they would have ended up being another Syria.

          • February 22, 2017 at 10:15 am
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            Agent,

            How can I criticize something that never happened? Care to cite your source or at least tell me when this happened so I may do some research?

            FYI: I tried googling it and found nothing.

          • February 22, 2017 at 10:37 am
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            Fast & Furious. Obama & Holder are ultimately liable for the deaths of border agents.

            ’nuff said. But, I just can’t stop with that…

            Nuke material to Iran via Corrupt Clinton Crime Family Foundation via Russia.

            Nuke Green Light to Iranian Govt (“Death To America” chanters) by Obama & Kerry’s ‘The Art of the Bad Deal’.

            Pardons and Commutations of > THOUSAND dangerous criminals who used GUNS (ooooh, those bad things!) by Obama.

            Catch & Release of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS with FELONY CHARGES.

            Release of Muslim Terrorists in Gitmo, many of which returned to jihad in the ME battle fields to kill more American military personnel and local CIVILIANS.

            I could add a few more, which you may not understand… so I’ll just stop here.

          • February 22, 2017 at 2:33 pm
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            This is your brain on Alex Jones, any questions?

            I have one for you, now that President Obama has successfully completed all 8 years of his 2 term Presidency, did he have to give control of the tiny helicopters and airplanes that move the weather around the US? Will all of the school shootings to take place future forward also be false flags? Lies, lies, Liza Minelli.

          • February 22, 2017 at 5:29 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            That reminds me; here’s one from Simon & Garfunkel from the early 60’s:

            Lie, lie, lie.
            La-la-lie lie lie la lie lie.

            In the clearing stands a Barbara Boxer, a liberal by her trade.
            And she carries the reminders of every aspect of ACA that failed the Dems and contributed to their precipitous fall out of power – into political obscurity.
            I am retiring. I am retiring. But the Liar in her will forever remain…

          • February 22, 2017 at 5:31 pm
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            PS to Planetary Orbit;

            I don’t watch or listen to political extremists on either side… other than for amusement. :)

  • February 24, 2017 at 2:43 pm
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    Polar, as long as you mentioned the great Simon & Garfunkel, it reminded me of one of their hits that apply to today’s world and is especially appropriate to all the snow flake sore losers among us.

    Bridge Over Troubled Water

    When you’re, feeling small
    When tears are in your eyes, I will dry them all
    I’m on your side, oh, when times get rough
    And friends just can’t be found
    Like a bridge over troubled water
    I will lay me down
    Like a bridge over troubled water
    I will lay me down

    When you’re down and out
    When you’re on the street
    When evening falls so hard
    I will comfort you
    I’ll take your part, oh when darkness comes
    And pain is all around
    Like a bridge over troubled waters
    I will lay me down
    Like a bridge over troubled waters
    I will lay me down

    Trump is the bridge over the troubled waters of this country. It is all going to be all right Progressives. He is just what the country needed after 8 years of the former POTUS.



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