Citing Trump’s Order, IRS Stops Enforcing Individual Mandate for Health Insurance

February 16, 2017

  • February 16, 2017 at 9:49 am
    ExciteBiker says:
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    Just can’t wait to get my lifetime and annual coverage max limits, pre-existing condition exclusions, retroactive policy rescissions back… Annual out of pocket maximum? Who needs those?? I want to go bankrupt if I ever get really sick or injured, that’s the AMERICAN WAY not that pinko “Affordable Care”

    • February 16, 2017 at 2:51 pm
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      oBama Care plans dont have an OOP. The never ending Co Pay just keeps going and going and going.

      • February 17, 2017 at 2:58 pm
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        I think that’s factually incorrect.

        • February 20, 2017 at 5:14 pm
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          I KNOW that’s fake fact checking.

          • February 21, 2017 at 2:20 pm
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            This is my source: https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/out-of-pocket-maximum-limit/
            Is it incorrect?

          • February 21, 2017 at 4:55 pm
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            How can you thumbs-down a fact?? This is where we are as a country now.

          • February 21, 2017 at 6:46 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            LOL at Healthcare.gov website being offered as ‘credible evidence’. :)

          • February 23, 2017 at 3:08 pm
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            Wow.

  • February 16, 2017 at 11:58 am
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    Shouldn’t this affect the 2017 tax returns, not 2016 since it was already law as of 12/31/16?

    • February 16, 2017 at 1:29 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      Nope. It affects 2016 tax year, and if you didn’t expect a refund and underpaid, the LIE-RS wouldn’t pursue collection of the tax penalty for ANY prior year.

  • February 16, 2017 at 1:18 pm
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    Is he also going to do away with the mandate for Medicare Part D?
    How about those pesky state laws that require you carry auto insurance? Those laws are such a pain and don’t really make any difference anyway…

    Another well thought-out plan by the Trump Administration!

    • February 16, 2017 at 1:30 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      Nope, because THOSE things would be silly, and are completely different situations. If you don’t understand why, ask someone else to waste time explaining it to you.

      • February 16, 2017 at 6:15 pm
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        Re-posted due to LOSER LIBITTERALS attempt to censor Conservatives’ voices when they have no ability to rebut the truth:

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        Hooray! Justice prevails!
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        • February 22, 2017 at 1:05 pm
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          Polar, looks like the Socialist troll immature down voters are at it again trying to shut down opinions different than their own. I direct you to Factchecker aka UW, Actu as the ring leaders. I thought we had a monitor cleaning up after these guys, but I was wrong on that.

      • February 16, 2017 at 6:15 pm
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        Re-posted to prevent censorship by Libitterals:

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        Justice prevails and a criminal down voted that sentiment.
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        • February 21, 2017 at 12:13 pm
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          If you insist on spamming learn how to copy and paste, you look like an idiot when you paste the likes and dislikes, etc.

          • February 21, 2017 at 6:48 pm
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            No, the BOT users look like Marxists when the votes of thumbs down are artificially increased to censor conservative voices.

            But, tell it like you want to; a few, low information voters will believe you.

    • February 18, 2017 at 3:03 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      I have two better ideas, which have already been initiated by TrumPresident;

      1. do away with ILLEGAL immigration and the associated welfare given to them by Socialist Dems.

      2. do away with redundant and inefficient regulations.

      Both of the above ‘do aways’ will be much more preferable to US citizens than the ‘do away with; crap you suggested.

  • February 16, 2017 at 1:30 pm
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    • February 16, 2017 at 1:37 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      Justice prevails and a criminal down voted that sentiment.

    • February 16, 2017 at 2:37 pm
      Agent says:
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      Polar, I just watched the President’s news conference. He handed the Progressive reporters their head big time. They are all buzzfeed Fake News and were all called out for their blatant bias and dishonesty.

      Listen, he is doing just what we hired him to do and he is keeping his campaign promises. Healthcare slated to come out in March, tax reform shortly afterward. The Progressive agenda is over, but they still don’t get that.

      • February 16, 2017 at 3:47 pm
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        I watched the same new conference and (surprise, surprise) had a different take on it. Per usual, he sounded like a whiny child who thinks every idea that comes out of his addled brain is brilliant. And if the press doesn’t see things the same way and report on it the way he thinks they should, well then they are just a bunch of biased idiots spewing fake news. Fascism at its “best”. The majority of the county aren’t aligned with his campaign promises, which is why the progressive agenda is still alive.

        • February 16, 2017 at 3:57 pm
          Agent says:
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          We have been “Fed Up” with Progressive Socialism and their thousands of lies for 8 years. The agenda failed, they got beat and now we have a President who won’t put up with the liberal bias and lies about him and his administration. He is merely correcting the wrongs. Scream, jump up and down, fall in the floor kicking and having a fit if you like. There is a new Sheriff in town and Elections have consequences.

          • February 24, 2017 at 5:27 pm
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            Agent, Glad to see you’re still out there. I hope all is well. Thank God Trump won the election! Hillary got beat badly and she deserved it. She should be behind bars!

            I’ve never seen a more disgusting bunch of whining babies in my life! When Obama won, not once but twice, did we take to the streets and cause civil unrest, break Starbucks (who donated to Hillary LOL) windows, beat up people who didn’t vote for our candidate? No, we sure the heck didn’t. They should be ashamed of themselves but their not. No moral compass just a bunch of fools running amuck. They think they are acting like heroes and all we see is spoiled brats who will not amount to much and continue to live in their parents basements. Liberals. Need I say more?

          • February 27, 2017 at 11:18 am
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            Always, good to see you back as well. All is well since the election since the Progressive Sore Losers lost. We have a very strong President who is keeping his campaign promises ( something other President’s have a problem with). The media is about totally toast now and the louder they scream, the less credibility they have. Looking forward to the speech Tuesday night. Wonder how many Democrats will boycott.

        • February 16, 2017 at 4:12 pm
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          You must be a member of the liberal Mainstream Media, which just got their collective a$$&S handed to them by TrumPresident.

          Despite being called out, several media members tried to continue their line of biased questioning. Trump dumped on them.

          What a breath of fresh air.

          • February 16, 2017 at 11:24 pm
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            Yogi, stop with the insults already, your very, very tired act is wearing more weary every day. We get it, you know nothing about politics, history, math, statistics, insurance or economics, so you rant, lie, insult and run away. Just stop.

          • February 17, 2017 at 9:49 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Georgie Sore-ass is going to stop paying you unless you learn how to troll better than you have been doing lately.

          • February 17, 2017 at 11:17 am
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            More personal insults. Nothing to offer but lies and insults.

          • February 17, 2017 at 4:27 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Trollin’, Trollin’, Trollin’.
            Keep them Demmies rollin’.
            George Soros’ head is swollen’
            Donkey-hide!

          • February 20, 2017 at 7:29 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Fake fact checking.

            Very fake fact checking!

        • February 16, 2017 at 4:27 pm
          Ron says:
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          This exchange was interesting:

          In response to a question about threats to Jewish centers nationwide, Trump called a Jewish reporter a liar, told him to sit down and later said antisemitism was coming from “the other side.”

          The exchange kicked off as Trump looked through the room at his White House press conference and asked for an easy question from a “friendly” reporter who liked him.

          The journalist identified himself as Jake Turx with Ami Magazine. Turx prefaced his question by saying he did not see evidence the President or his staff were antisemitic.

          Here’s the rest of the exchange:

          Turx: “What we are concerned about, and what we haven’t really heard being addressed, is an uptick in antisemitism and how the government is planning to take care of it.”

          Trump, interrupting: “See, he said he was going to ask a very simple, easy question, and it’s not.”

          Turx: “It’s an important one.”

          Trump: “Not a simple question. Not a fair question. Okay, sit down. I understand the rest of your question.”

          http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/trump-watch-live-coverage-week-4/

          This is what a dictator sounds like.

          • February 16, 2017 at 5:11 pm
            Agent says:
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            The biased, dishonest media is the reason why Trump gets short with them. They were used to asking Obama what he liked best about his job. All soft ball questions. They sure don’t like it when he gives it to them and calls them out.

            Dictators are those like your hero who issues Executive Orders countermanding the laws of this country. Trump is reversing these Progressive orders as we speak. He is exactly what this country needed during a critical time in the history of this country. Sorry you don’t like it, but elitist Progressives lost.

          • February 16, 2017 at 6:19 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            No, it’s what a true leader sounds like.

            If the press were unbiased, they would get cooperation. Since they aren’t, they won’t.

            Only fair media need attend the next presser. I’m sure that won’t happen due to their deeply ingrained liberal bias, due indirectly to ‘scholastic indoctrination’; i.e. brainwashing in school by liberal teacher and administrators.

          • February 16, 2017 at 11:22 pm
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            Yes, he is an outright authoritarian. One of his advisors also revealed the other day that they have “dossiers” on black reporters.

          • February 17, 2017 at 8:04 am
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            PolarBeaRepeal,

            Since President Trump believes Vladimir Putin, a dictator, is a great leader, I am not surprised that you would find someone with dictatorial characteristics to be a leader.

            My issue was that he only wants to answer easy questions, from friendly reporters.

            You may believe he sounded like a leader, but he definitely did not sound presidential.

          • February 17, 2017 at 9:50 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Nas Zdrowie!

          • February 17, 2017 at 11:13 am
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            Ron, if you think that is bad look up his comments on Tiananmen Square. He loves how they were so “strong” shutting it down. He is an authoritarian and sone here,who are among the dumbest, least informed people I have encountered, refuse to look at reality.

          • February 17, 2017 at 4:29 pm
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            Can you re-check the facts about who is the dumbest here?

            If you don’t like the government in place, you should leave.

            The same holds for these comment pages.

            Buh-bye!

          • February 18, 2017 at 3:05 pm
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            re-posted due to censorship by factchecker BOT apps;

            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Can you re-check the facts about who is the dumbest here?

            If you don’t like the government in place, you should leave.

            The same holds for these comment pages.

            Buh-bye!

          • February 20, 2017 at 7:34 am
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            @factchecker;

            Do you buy ANY products made in China?

            If so, why?… if you are so upset with the Chinese Govt shutting down opposition?

            Do you BOT opponents posts into hidden / censored status?

            If so, why?… if you are so upset with suppression of dissenting opinions?

            hypocrite!

          • February 20, 2017 at 2:37 pm
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            No. This is what a liberal left Marxist media sounds like.

            Did you read what this guy said to the President of the United States? Let’s review for a moment when Bill Clinton shut someone down who said something absurd about 9/11 real quick:

            “what we are concerned about and what we haven’t really heard being addressed is an uptick in anti-Semitism and how the government is planning to take care of it. There’s been a report out that 48 bomb threats have been made against Jewish centers all across the country in the last couple of weeks. There are people committing anti-Semitic acts or threatening to——”

            So essentially, how is Trump to answer this question? Give out military details? Make a potentially controversial comment about the U.S’s techniques to stop terrorism? Vow to detain people? Vow to engage in military policing, wiretapping, and an aggressive means to stop death threats to jews? By the way, 48 bomb threats is nothing. You get that many making a controversial YouTube video. The media has already said Trump will over reach. This is not a question asked with any bit of seriousness. This is essentially him out to vow that Trump is against Jews. That is why he said “what we really haven’t heard”

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/26/bill-clinton-shouts-down-_n_70010.html

            Let’s see Clinton deal with stupid loaded questions.

            ““An inside job? How dare you. How dare you. It was not an inside job,” Clinton said. “You guys have got to be careful, you’re going to give Minnesota a bad reputation.””

            If someone asks a loaded question, Trump has every reason to say sit down, I’m not answering it.

            This is not a dictator type of reply. I’m getting sick of you idiots trying to claim Trump is a dictator.

            Obama said plenty of things similar to Trump.

            Obama challenged the Supreme court. Trump did the same. Trump used the wording “so called” but Obama claimed that the court had ruled in favor of special interests, and that could cause a civil war himself (As in the big corporations own our supreme court).

            This is nothing new, it is phrasing differences.

            htt p://www.po litico.com/story/2015/07/obama-major-garrett-shuts-down-press-conference-120156

            This is Obama’s same way of saying sit down. It is “you should know better” instead. He didn’t answer the question, did he? And to some people it’s a big deal, isn’t it?

            What scares me is the reporters in New York Times who leaked the Cambodia military information during Nixon’s tenure. During that time, that was treason to do so. Trump wire tapped 4 reporters, and I think it was 19 politicians to try and find out who was leaking critical information. I’m getting to something here. That reporter was never held accountable, the media was even then above reproach. We have laws like this for a reason. Instead, they focused on the method Nixon took to stop this criminal activity, instead of the criminal activity itself. Now, New York Times is the source again of ignorant leaks, the media needs to hold this battle against Trump, because Trump is making it clear these guys need to be stopped and is calling them out. Someone could go to jail for life on this, and these reporters are well aware of that fact and thus need to hold the narrative.

            Right now you guys are acting like babies on typical things in an election. Don’t come back to me saying “you did the same thing to Obama”

            No one called Obama a Russian spy dictator. The riots weren’t going on all the time. Every media award ceremony didn’t dedicate time to insult Obama. People didn’t openly insult him saying things like the orange comment, in public things like the Women’s March. A kid was just suspended after he showed a recording of a college class in which a professor called Trump’s election terrorism, and an act of war. That is why students are getting violent, the left in schools is telling them it is war. And when this lady got a minority amount of death threats (happens to both the left and right when they say something stupid) the school is now demanding the boy submit an apology or he is expelled. We have teachers at these riots, professors, college educated. We have teachers shooting pictures of Trump, saying “die die die”. We have professors saying they dealt with racism in their day by changing opinions by cracking bones and busting faces, and encouraging students to fight the fight. When the student asked for an apology, he was not given one. We have schools blocking out conservatives from speech, because it has become too dangerous to speak as a conservative as your side rallies against Trump, calling him Hitler. This is not ok.

            I left for a while, because you were all being hacks, and I see you still make these horribly researched comments.

          • February 20, 2017 at 2:39 pm
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            P.S. Hello again Agent.

            Did you miss me?

            Did I do a good job of dismantling Ron as per the usual?

            :-)

            Guys, you’ve got to do a better job on this. This is out of control and moderates need to do their job of diffusing this before a civil war.

            We literally have a full on Marxist revolution going on in the schools, and it’s because of this horse crap you’re saying Ron, it is also said in schools.

            When you tell a bunch of kids someone is a dictator, and their election itself was an act of war, well, violence is sure to come.

          • February 20, 2017 at 2:47 pm
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            Sorry, I meant to say Nixon wire tapped, not Trump.

            I’m tired this morning.

          • February 20, 2017 at 3:12 pm
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            On this note above:

            I will point out where I agree with both Trump and Obama.

            The supreme court has started to weigh things very poorly. Some, like Justice Roberts was able to over come partisan bias (A conservative judge, please note) but a lot of the time, they are ruling extremely poorly due to public perceptions, or personal belief. Liberal judges are definitely more guilty of this, though it happens on both sides. It doesn’t always happen either, as a disclaimer, there have been times when the judges worked properly together, but even a few incidences should cause one to at least try to question the Supreme court. We have many branches of government for a reason.

          • February 20, 2017 at 3:20 pm
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            Bob,

            Welcome back. Too bad you did not take any time to improve your reading comprehension skills.

            As I stated, “My issue was that he only wants to answer easy questions, from friendly reporters.

            I could not possibly care less if President Trump or you like the question, it was a legitimate question regarding a legitimate concern. He does not need to give details, but at least act like you care about a large segment of the country’s population.

            It’s his and his entire administration dismissiveness and inability to just answer a question that is the problem.

            Intelligent people have already figured out that he and his team of amateurs are a fraud. Maybe someday you and Agent will too.

          • February 20, 2017 at 3:28 pm
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            Bob,

            “Welcome back.”

            Well thank you, but…

            “Too bad you did not take any time to improve your reading comprehension skills.”

            The usual first reply. I didn’t fail to comprehend what you wrote. You made a poor comment and I addressed why. Trump is not sounding like a dictator.

            “As I stated, “My issue was that he only wants to answer easy questions, from friendly reporters.”

            Wrong. And in fact, you just quoted something nearly verbatim that I read and saw from CNN. Are you quoting them? Trump is answering questions. He answered the ones regarding immigration, and he tends to be very forthright. He’s not going to waste his time answering this one, and I note, that when I show this one is absurd you fall back to a principle of generality rather than specifics. Name 10 questions he has refused to answer because they were too hard. Considering he has thousands, this would still be a low ratio.

            “I could not possibly care less if President Trump or you like the question, it was a legitimate question regarding a legitimate concern.”

            No it wasn’t, and I couldn’t possibly care less about you saying we don’t like the question. First of all, it wasn’t about not liking the question, it was about the intent of it. It was not about it being a difficult question, it was about the ability to answer it without going into ignorant side tracks getting derailed. We shouldn’t have to ask the president every three seconds: “How are you stopping all the anti x in the U.S.?” for every group. Do you know how long that would take to answer? Probably years, and the president has more things to focus on than someone who feels threatened on an issue that hasn’t even come to play. How many Jewish bombings have there been in the U.S.?

            “He does not need to give details, but at least act like you care about a large segment of the country’s population.”

            Nope. A$$hole question, you give a reply of how absurd it is and move on.

            “It’s his and his entire administration dismissiveness and inability to just answer a question that is the problem.”

            Wrong. They have answered plenty of times, but are sick of being asked if they are Russian spies. I’ve seen the answers and they are pretty good.

            “Intelligent people have already figured out that he and his team of amateurs are a fraud. Maybe someday you and Agent will too.”

            Intelligent people have also come to the conclusion they are not. See what I did there? Maybe one day you will too.

          • February 20, 2017 at 3:30 pm
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            About my link for Obama: I provided an example of when he refused to answer a question. You didn’t reply to that.

            This isn’t unique to Trump. Would you like more? What is new is that you’re saying it means something and it doesn’t.

            All teams have their blunders. And you are pouncing on this like an idiot. Grow up kid.

          • February 20, 2017 at 3:31 pm
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            Also:

            If you don’t want to be called a kid, don’t say welcome back while then saying my reading comprehension sucks.

            Every time someone says you said something outrageous you say it’s their reading comprehension.

            You sound a lot more like Trump than Trump does.

          • February 20, 2017 at 3:53 pm
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            We have been told that Donald Trump is our president and we should move on. Why are you still bringing up President Obama?

            Keep being a blind lemming for President Trump. The good news is, you are in the minority.

          • February 20, 2017 at 4:07 pm
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            Ron,

            “We have been told that Donald Trump is our president and we should move on. Why are you still bringing up President Obama?”

            This is derailing and trolling. You know why I am, you’re just using this to get back at people, because you believe they used it on you. This is relevant when discussing normalcy in a presidency, when you are trying to say it is abnormal now and never commented on it prior. Again, you never commented on Obama’s shutting down of questions, and he did it all the time. This is a non issue when we take historical context, and you’re trying to use historical context to link it to dictators. I could say the same as you, those people who you are saying are similar to Trump are not in power now. Why are you bringing them up, in so much as you are linking the personality to dictators?

            “Keep being a blind lemming for President Trump.”

            Nope. I give my reasons. It is not blind, it is for my own reasons you freaking little hooligan.

            “The good news is, you are in the minority.”. The good news is I will always use facts. Idiots like you being common place is the bad thing.

          • February 20, 2017 at 4:08 pm
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            Again,

            Prove your statement that Trump doesn’t like answering hard questions in any way that is abnormal and shows a presidential deficiency. Quote history, quote why, explain yourself, as I did.

            If you can’t, you’re believing something “blindly” without evidence. Punk.

          • February 20, 2017 at 4:11 pm
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            This is also why I left Ron:

            You’re too easy. You simply think you know a lot more than you do.

            Leave debate of these issues to people who think further ahead than day to day celebrity style tabloid news.

            You said you would be fair to Trump. I don’t see it.

            I see a little whiny punk.

            When someone knows actual history they know when someone is just being a whiny kid, and that’s you. In my link I provided two quotes and history, and context, and why to be worried about the press.

            In yours, you just said he’s unfit, don’t bring up prior examples to prove a norm, and presented nothing to make your case.

            Why precisely should I agree with you?

            What point do you believe you have made?

            In what way is Trump uniquely doing any of these actions?

            Compare and contrast with history.

            This is not an unreasonable request. And if you can’t do it you’re not worth my time. I have people who make far better arguments than you on other sites. Far better.

          • February 20, 2017 at 4:17 pm
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            So on whether or not Obama traded money for hostages, when someone asks a question, Obama can say they know better, it’s all absurd to ask.

            When a Jew asks how Trump will stop the supposed anti Semitism in the U.S. from getting worse (which the government cannot do by the way) in order to call him anti Semitic (which was the goal, they said they haven’t seen anything from Trump, as in nothing to help them from people not liking Jews) on a silly social issue, we for some reason say he is just terrible and a dictator for saying sit down, but someone who may have traded hostages, well, you yourself chimed in on that one if I’m not mistaken, because it ticked Agent off. One of those is a bigger deal than the other. Guess which?

            In either case, I actually don’t much care about the Obama trade, after I calmed down on it anyway, and I certainly never cared that he told the person to sit down in his own way. One should expect that to occur. And if I did over react at the time (I don’t believe I did) about Obama paying for this, then I’m going to say now I was wrong. I cannot allow myself to be partial, and that means Obama is getting a pass here. So is Trump.

            Show me your logic. I don’t see any. This is one big bash the republicans thing for you, on phrasing, and talking matters, to call them dictators. It’s absurd.

          • February 20, 2017 at 4:33 pm
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            Let me show you fake news as a side comment, and why Trump is fighting the media. If my New York Times reference to Nixon wasn’t enough, and yes, that was a leak that was an act of treason, then let’s look at some recent flip flops:

            Newsweek before:

            Safe havens in Syria are the ideal solution and Obama should do it, and is wrong for not doing so.

            htt p://www.newsweek.com/how-isis-smuggles-terrorists-among-syrian-refugees-453039

            Newsweek after:

            htt p://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-syria-safe-zones-refugee-syrian-refugee-crisis-548362

            Safe zones might escalate the scenario eh? As in, this will cause a war.

            And this same left that keeps saying Trump is in bed with Russia, is now preparing to say Trump may start a war with Russia, something they already said before they flipped to saying he was in bed with Russia.

            Let me give you an example by the way:

            The media has flipped from Trump having government ties to Russia, to he has business ties in Russia, and keeps cycling it intentionally to make the two seem like they are the same.

            Let me ask you a question:

            If I sell a house in Germany, at what point did I contact Merkel or was she involved in the sale? At what point did that sale collude with the government? The liberals know this, and yet are trying to say the fact they ever did business in Russia means they have ties.

            They have also tried to force Trump to sell his businesses as well. This is absurd. There is no reason a president should have to give away their method of living to be president. And yet, the liberals are implying if he doesn’t he is somehow in collusion with Russia.

            These are all areas the liberal left are out of control on in unique ways. It is out of control.

          • February 20, 2017 at 4:35 pm
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            And if that wasn’t enough:

            h ttps://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=0

            Even New York Times had to post this one. I guess the FBI just sucks or something.

            They won’t let this modern day McCarthyism go.

            The extremism is not Trump right now. It’s the left. And they are trying to burn down the whole system to stop Trump.

          • February 20, 2017 at 4:55 pm
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            I have 5 sources, comparisons, and a narrative that is clearly supported therein. And I’m using sources that according to liberals, I don’t use. Supposedly I always use Fox News.

            Show your work Ron.

          • February 20, 2017 at 5:34 pm
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            We have been told that Donald Trump is our president and we should move on. Why are you still bringing up President Obama?

            Keep being a blind lemming for President Trump. The good news is, you are in the minority.

            UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

            We CAN bring up Obama for three reasons:

            1. “It’s Bush’s Fault”, an ad nauseum catch-phrase by Obama.

            2. Obama moved FOUR BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE and started an organization whose objective is to interfere with TrumPresidency. I forgot the actual name, but it has ‘Organize(r)’ in the title, as in Community Protest Organizers. This is the FIRST EVER instance of a former POTUS criticizing or interfering with his replacement. This started when Obama saw Hillary lose on 11/8-9/16 and realize his ‘legacy’ was in jeopardy.

            3. Obama set up various forms of sabotage before he left office, to disrupt TrumPresidency with a Shadow Government.

            Oh, yeah… here’s a fourth reason; it’s also NOT against IJ comment board rules, despite the possibility it is against YOUR rules.

          • February 20, 2017 at 6:32 pm
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            How about more fake news?

            htt p://www.dailywire.com/news/12760/flashback-wapo-publishes-study-claims-millions-john-nolte

            ht tp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/nearly-2-million-non-citizen-hispanics-illegally-r/

            There’s no evidence of illegal voting? If the government is tracking this so well, how are so many illegals here? Also, why would illegal people manage to not be tracked by the government, and obtain fake documents, but not be able to vote? There are at least 12 million here, and you think that not even 10% of them would try to vote as well in elections?

            Instead of taking this issue seriously and doing research on it, the democrats are claiming there is no evidence, and Trump is dangerous and oafish for saying this.

            Well, I guess before they found it to be credible and reported on it from WAPO.

            Then it made totes magotes sense.

            Do you really need more examples?

          • February 20, 2017 at 6:36 pm
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            And that was before they lied and called Trumps immigration travel ban a Muslim ban. Then they finally revised it to a Travel Ban, and said it was Trump’s fault it didn’t roll out well, not their fault for jumping to conclusions and crying wolf of course.

            CNN is finally calling it a Travel ban. Did you notice that?

            http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/20/politics/trump-new-executive-order-immigration/

            This is true fumbling and misleading, and true fake news.

            I mean really, what the hell? I guess they figured it out, after they spent weeks causing people to riot en masse.

            These are huge blunders. Not the Trump campaign. This.

            Assuming CNN is innocent of willfully misleading people (And I have finally concluded that some people on CNN are in fact innocent of this, they are just partisan and believe what they say) there is simply no way New York Times is as well as other liberal agencies who are trying to inspire a full blown civil war against Trump.

          • February 20, 2017 at 6:45 pm
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            So to put it all together:

            The liberal media wanted safe zones then blasted Trump for it.

            They wanted stricter vetting, when Trump froze travel until we could make stricter vetting, they called him racist and refused to listen to his arguments, they also lied and said it was a Muslim ban, which they have since corrected. That is a serious malfunction.

            Riots happened as a result of this. People were injured, hurt, harmed.

            Trump said voter fraud was an issue, including illegal voting. They said Trump had NO evidence. None. They said he was a liar. They didn’t just say he had no evidence and was mistaken. They said the words liar. They themselves had published data before, and we in fact have studies in the now, which Trump and his advisors specifically said wait and see, there is evidence. And every day they said there will never be evidence and riled people up. Now there is evidence, and everyone will just forget it right? The media is innocent after all. So the Mexicans who fought as a result of this thinking Trump was racist, that’s just no bid deal! No, it’s a darn big deal Ron.

            So again, Trump was right, the media went insane and jumped to conclusions.

            They accuse him of having Russian connections, and then leak an absurd fake source that even CNN tried to distance themselves from, and at the same time said it was actually shameful that Trump wouldn’t take the accusations seriously. Really? The FBI already concluded there were no ties. How much are they going to beat this horse while saying Trump is bad for defending himself? When you do crap like this people start to look down on the nation.

            It’s not ok. Saying we should treat modern day McCarthyism with respect is insane.

            At what point will you admit the liberals have been wrong regarding a Trump issue, and have done something wrong?

            I don’t see it.

          • February 20, 2017 at 7:02 pm
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            By the way Ron, even I am guilty of this. You don’t understand how quickly I learn and what makes me well educated on these issues.

            Even I wanted Middle Eastern restrictions from the war torn nations, on the basis of them being war torn due to religion. And yes, that’s a reason, but it is not Trump’s reason.

            He’s informing people that is an issue, and the press is misleading what he’s actually saying.

            So here’s what I finally found out when looking up Trump’s direct words on the issue, instead of what people say he said.

            How do we currently vet people who come over here? Do you know?

            In the 7 nations banned, why did we ban them? (temporarily) Why was the fact that Obama banned them relevant?

            The seven nations were not just war torn nations due to religion, the nations themselves had leaders in which there was evidence they were sponsoring terrorism. Guess who does the background checks for people who come here?

            The countries of origin. Can you see a problem, if Obama suspected these nations were engaged in sponsoring terrorism, with allowing them to perform background checks on their own people? Or for a nation that has bad procedures for this, why we might want to work with them to set up a better one? And when they do, allow immigration from the country after we do such checks?

            Most people I’ve talked to are unaware of this fact, and so was I.

            You want expanded background checks for guns right? Out of over a hundred million owners of guns, there has as I showed before been about 10,000 deaths on high years in the past and many of those justifiable, that’s .0001% of a risk, and we still do background checks and make sure we have a good system there.

            In what world is it ok to not make sure we don’t have an issue here, when these nations specifically said they would send in sleeper cell agents, and we have had multiple attacks so far?

            Also as I have said lately, we cannot Drain the Middle East of all people who need help and leave extremists. This will destabilize the situation even more, and cannot be a permanent solution to the chaos for people who need help there. Also, it costs about 3 billion USD to help 20,000 people per year in initial costs (This is the UK that did this look it up, it’s 2.3 billion in their currency.) and then they have to adapt to somewhere that is not their culture, does not speak their language, and they have to rebuild, which is hard. This isn’t good for them either. The safe zones are and solve all the above issues.

            I mean really, it’s time to stop making each fight about supposed bigotry and bull as is being done with Trump, and to get stuff done. If we want to help Syrians, this is the way to do it. If we want to be safe, those 7 nations cannot do their own background checks, and anyone from those 7 can’t come.

            Syrian Christians were also stopped I might add, as a result of the ban. 2 families when it first started were sent back, so don’t you dare go off on this bigotry crap.

            You are clueless. You don’t look things up to any degree I do, and that’s why I always have like 50 links at the ready while you say one cliché line conclusion driven from one source.

            It’s time to see the big picture. I hope my facts help.

          • February 20, 2017 at 7:11 pm
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            Now I’m at 8 links. Keep up Ron.

            I appear to read a great deal more than you.

            I just mentioned I only just learned the details about the background checks. Could you list to me something you just learned in the last month? A big issue. Not this whole learning about Trump’s phrasing being similar to a dictator absurdity.

            What facts did you just learn about a system of process?

            Something similar to when I mentioned how banking charter laws work, or how CRA ratings are related to mergers and sales and growth, and how one obtained a CRA rating.

            Show me how you process logic and facts and data. I want an example. As of now I really think you’re just some idiotic poser. Prove me wrong.

            Show me your thought process. I’m showing you mine and it’s very clearly ahead of yours on these issues.

          • February 20, 2017 at 9:04 pm
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            The reading comprehension is bad, but it is the intelligence, education and mental ability that plagues some.

          • February 21, 2017 at 1:24 pm
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            “UW says:

            The reading comprehension is bad, but it is the intelligence, education and mental ability that plagues some.”

            The words of someone who does not have anything related to this current topic at hand with regards to evidence.

            The reason you said this, is you can’t say anything credible against what I posted.

            And that’s because I keep getting better and better researched. Each time I come back I have learned more. I have grown.

            I am willing to grow and realize I’m wrong. You’re not.

            I’m sorry, I know you are a psychopath and believe that’s me, but it simply isn’t.

            And the reason I call you a psychopath?

            You told me on here weeks back that I should be careful saying what I do, because I’m totes magotes like Timothy McVeigh and someone might think I need to be taken out.

            It’s pretty clear you are a college grad at a liberal school based on that.

            De Paul? No, you would never go to a Catholic one. Maybe your friends ANITFA at Berkeley? Hah, relax man, it’s a joke.

          • February 21, 2017 at 2:51 pm
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            Bob what a coincidence, the day a lot of banned posters come back so do you, but you were not banned, just taking a break. I truly do not know how a person can be a pathalogical liar and expect people to take them seriously.

            The “study” in your Washington Times story has been debunked. It is an internet, opt-in poll. It is trash. Yes Bob, genius, some sites are so bad they can be dismissed offhand, and tge Washington Times is one of these sources. The fact that you do not understand thus speaks to your credibility. You constantly say you do not cite right-wing garbage sites, then do it, then conplain when people point it out.Just stay away, please, we have enough lying with Yogi and LongviewLoser right now.

          • February 21, 2017 at 3:01 pm
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            “actu says:

            Bob what a coincidence, the day a lot of banned posters come back so do you, but you were not banned, just taking a break.”

            Do you recall one of my last comments? I said I was leaving. And I did. I was not banned.

            “I truly do not know how a person can be a pathalogical liar and expect people to take them seriously.”

            I do not lie. There are differences of opinion that you mistake as lies, but I do not lie. Further, if your above comment is trying to say I was banned and am now lying about it, prove it.

            Andrew, I give you full permission to use my email, (please do not disclose it, I mean use it to find who I am) and to tell ACTU that I was not banned from posting from this site. I doubt you have the time to do this, so I understand if you can’t.

            “The “study” in your Washington Times story has been debunked. It is an internet, opt-in poll. It is trash.”

            It has not been debunked, you disagree with it. There are others, such as the WAPO study which my other link cited. I will say again: When you have 12 million at minimum here illegally, which is no easy task, and requires fake documents, what makes you think not even 10% of them will vote? The fact that you try to say there is no illegal voting is insane.

            “Yes Bob, genius, some sites are so bad they can be dismissed offhand, and tge Washington Times is one of these sources.”

            Nope. Each piece of data must be digested and proven wrong line item. I quote CNN, and I am fair on this. You though, are following your Marxist friend’s methods of discrediting people and sources rather than data, which is what leads to tyranny and identity politics that are dangerous. Grouping essentially.

            “The fact that you do not understand thus”

            That’s not a fact, that’s an opinion by the way.

            “speaks to your credibility.”

            No, it doesn’t. My facts stand alone.

            “You constantly say you do not cite right-wing garbage sites, then do it,”

            Which? My constant CNN links, and New York Times? Newsweek? The vast majority of my links are liberal.

            “then conplain when people point it out.”

            No, I complain when people refuse to debate the facts, also, because you discredit this way you are reversing the order. I in fact preemptively say don’t disregard the source, show me data that proves it wrong. That is not complaining, it’s insisting on sound debate instead of source battles.

            “Just stay away, please, we have enough lying with Yogi and LongviewLoser right now.”

            How about no? You’re the same type that caused the Berkeley issues.

            Grow up.

          • February 21, 2017 at 3:09 pm
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            By the way ACTU:

            All you had to do was show me your link and complaint about the Washington Times study. This is why people don’t like the left. Let’s assume you’re right. Let’s assume I break it down, and I think that practically no illegal voting takes place (even though this is ludicrous)

            When you walk in public, and say “X source is garbage” “just go away” “you’re a pathological liar”

            Do you think it helps your case?

            If your side was the correct side, I would want the data and methodology. Your methods here encourage people to streamline data from only one side. It’s harmful.

            I can’t keep giving you chances only to be called a pathological liar.

            This is out of hand, and I’m sick of it. You’re going to have to change how you debate, not just due to me, but because this is something if you were right about you are swaying people away from it.

            I still think you’re wrong, but, I am invested in truth seeking and truth being pushed out in the open. You are not encouraging that.

          • February 21, 2017 at 3:19 pm
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            So, actu, I’m aware of your point, but I’m also aware of the counter point. To say the study is not at all indicative of illegal voting is not true. It shows something, when compared to other data.

            http://www.justfactsdaily.com/substantial-numbers-of-non-citizens-vote-illegally-in-u-s-elections/

            This site goes over it well, and Agent has brought up these points a bit himself, though poorly.

            It explains why certain methods to correct were wrong. Are you aware the Harvard study that contradicted the original study concluded there were 0 incidences? This despite the fact that we have evidence of people doing so, it’s not many that we caught, but we have caught people doing it. So Harvard’s study is not right.

            The issue here is that illegal immigrants, in large amounts have fake documents. They use another social security number (part of this is why some of the dead people registered to vote could be an issue, and we have not done a study yet to see how many of them voted, but we have seen in some states to date that some have. It’s not many we have evidence of, but we do have evidence of it) and more on this, this shows if you simply match their names, say Pablo Enrique III, he won’t show up on voter roles. The social security name he has might though, or may show up in multiple states (ergo why people being registered in multiple states needs to be looked at as well, while yes, some of this could be failure to change address, given what we know about using fake social security numbers it is also possible an illegal immigrant is using your social security number in another state, and has registered to vote in your name). The methodology to study voter fraud is bad, but we have evidence that the scenario exists to allow it, that illegals do use and have fake social security numbers, and we have at least 12 million, and then when we see people voting when dead, registered in two states, saying we shouldn’t look into it with a study is obscene. Tell me why we should not find the best method to figure this out? Yet I’m sure you believe we should keep finding out how Russia is intervening in our elections and keep on trying to link that to Trump when the FBI already concluded they had no ties (see my NY Times link) why are we not stopping illegal immigrant’s impact on our vote system?

          • February 21, 2017 at 4:09 pm
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            So I gave Ron some credit here, and now here’s your credit:

            You have seen a lot of democratic arguments. I can tell. You’re better versed than Ron.

            Now your weakness: You have not seen the better conservative arguments to your better liberal arguments.

            So you need people like me, or at least our arguments, and to take them seriously and then to take that a step further and create the other possibility that needs to be considered. This is how debate works.

            You’re not poorly versed. You’re just very accusatory and hostile to sources you don’t like. I’m not. I’ve proven this and just said with CNN that I think their issue is political allegiance, and I have numerous times used them as a source to say where their data is right.

            You’re going to have to start doing this, instead of saying it’s entirely flawed to throw out the whole thing.

            That’s creating a scenario in which you cannot learn.

            I did not take a position on Immigration until this election. For Syrian refugees, it took me a while to figure out the scenario, and I still probably don’t know it all. Debate with liberals will allow me to figure out more and encourage me to dive deeper into it.

            Why do I go so far into research? Because I am open to any data. If it is wrong, or if it is semi true, I’ll add it to my own and use the two combined. You aren’t combining data.

          • February 21, 2017 at 4:27 pm
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            No, Bob, you cannot debunk the studies, because as UW Planet and I have proven, you do not kbow basic statistics, much less advanced statistics, nor can you mathematical analysis. Before your last meltdown and supposed self imposed exile you were shown to be making calculations that were off by orders of thousands.You said it did not matter and did not admit they
            were wrong, as you did in every other case. On top if that, John Nash, I said the key problem with the study; it is a self selecting online poll, whuch is really all you need to know. Furthermore, registered dead/illegal voters do not mean they are voting.NO PROOF of this widespread has been proven, but liars on the right, including Trump have lied and made up stories like buses to NH. Despicable people all the way around.

            If you want to look uo stories, pretend you read then, and then lie,as usual, I recommend: Trump Wants to Investigate Purported Mass Voter Fraud. We Pre-Debunked His Evidence, by Ansolabehere as a start, along with tge links included.

            Berkley protesters did what they had to do to be heard, months of peaceful protesrs did nothing.Only civil disobedience works against fascists, like yoy.Your degenerare idol planned to out immigrants at the school, he should not have been asked nor allowed to speak. Big shock you have for over a year supported a person who is in favor of pedophilia to go with your previous acceptance of sexual assault and rape. Drplorables

          • February 21, 2017 at 4:56 pm
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            “No, Bob, you cannot debunk the studies, because as UW Planet and I have proven, you do not kbow basic statistics, much less advanced statistics, nor can you mathematical analysis.”

            None of this applies to what I just told you. Were they or were they not valid areas of concern? Also, even if I were wrong in the past, I also have been right. You are discrediting all someone’s ideas based on perceived errors. Showing someone has had errors would not prove them in present day. What statistics have I been wrong regarding? Even regarding that, you are likely going for a stretch here. UW also proved that he didn’t know aspects when I used the wording conviction regarding the 50.01% campus rape issues, and he railed on me before I revealed he was indeed wrong and I was right on the term. Does this now mean he is wrong as a whole? Use some consistent standards, and stay on the now topics rather than derailing.

            “Before your last meltdown and supposed self imposed exile”

            This was not a meltdown.

            “you were shown to be making calculations that were off by orders of thousands.”

            Wrong, unless you’re talking the typo I myself fixed, regarding how much money was left over in corporations, which was in fact a typo. I do math quickly here, the concept I had was indeed right. Essentially I knew what the percentage was, and then physically typed the wrong percentage. That’s a typo, I’m sorry, it is. The math was correct.

            “You said it did not matter and did not admit they
            were wrong, as you did in every other case.”

            These are not specifics, and what I in fact said was my concept was true, and it remains true.

            “On top if that, John Nash, I said the key problem with the study; it is a self selecting online poll, whuch is really all you need to know.”

            No, it’s not. My second link goes over why.

            “Furthermore, registered dead/illegal voters do not mean they are voting.”

            No, it doesn’t, but to disregard that we have 12 million illegals with fake social security cards, this would seem to suggest that we should at least verify the rolls, and does suggest they can vote or register to, with these same fake social security numbers they are using to get benefits and or jobs. So, the abnormal one here is you in not allowing the study to be done. I wonder why?

            “NO PROOF of this widespread has been proven,”

            Wrong, as I just showed. What you mean is there is evidence of it, but not a good study with all factors.

            ” but liars on the right, including Trump have lied and made up stories like buses to NH. Despicable people all the way around.”

            It’s not a bad estimate. They aren’t liars. That’s only 10%, or less, considering some people estimate we have 30 million illegals here.

            “If you want to look uo stories, pretend you read then, and then lie,as usual,”

            Screw you. Untrue.

            “I recommend: Trump Wants to Investigate Purported Mass Voter Fraud. We Pre-Debunked His Evidence, by Ansolabehere as a start, along with tge links included.”

            Pre debunked voter fraud? That’s actually a bad thing.

            “Berkley protesters did what they had to do to be heard, months of peaceful protesrs did nothing.”

            Wrong, and justification of violence that would not be tolerated on the other side. So they are protesting that people agree with Trump, and are mad that these people did nothing? Grow up. We dealt with Obama.

            “Only civil disobedience works against fascists,”

            Hahahahaha, spoken like a TRUE facist! I love that you just admitted it.

            “like yoy.Your degenerare idol planned to out immigrants at the school,”

            Illegal. Not immigrants, illegal. For each one here that is illegal we cannot take people who are actually productive.

            “he should not have been asked nor allowed to speak.”

            What are you talking about? At first I thought you meant Trump, now I think you’re talking about the man who spoke at Berkeley? Anyone should be asked and allowed to speak, your fascism is showing again.

            “Big shock you have for over a year supported a person who is in favor of pedophilia to go with your previous acceptance of sexual assault and rape. Drplorables”

            I already read his wording on this, and bluntly, it’s clear that he was speaking as a victim, not a perpetrator or supporter of it. Also, even if he was, this does not discredit his prior comments, if factually backed up, which I would support. However, I rarely directly quote him. I only bring up the schools reactions to him, because the fact is they have done this to all people on the right, they are not selecting them based on pedophilia, while hindsight is 20/20, you’re making yourself out to be a fool.

          • February 21, 2017 at 5:03 pm
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            ACTU you are way off topic and it’s insane to keep track of you’re scattered mind.

            My original topics were not disproved, and you keep harkening back to old supposed areas you think disprove me now. Guess what? They don’t.

            I already knew your rebuttal in advance which is why I mentioned that I am aware that just because they are registered in two states does not mean that there is illegal voting, however, in a separate study, we know for 100% fact, that a huge chunk of illegal immigrants are using fake social security numbers, which would cause guess what? A spike in people being registered in two states, as well as dead voters being registered and voting. We have seen dead voters vote already, and have not investigated it. The fact is we have not done a study on this. I believe it was around 2 million people registered to vote in two states. Preemptively claiming that it simply must be because of moving, and that none of it is the illegal immigrants we know have those social security numbers, is in fact insane. You tell me why they would not vote, or register to, if they had social security cards and could register, and knew that current democrats will not do a study into the potential dual voting? Why are these illegal immigrants not registering to vote? What is stopping them? What physical block is there in the system? What enforcement has been done?

            There is every reason to believe they would vote. All we have to do is an official study. Why in the world should we not do this? Why is it wrong to assume illegal voting would occur?

            This is absurd.

            Chances are that millions of them do vote. I’m sorry, it’s just logic. You wouldn’t move to a new country and take huge risks using a social security card for 10-20 years working, and then just go “you know, registering to vote is just TOO FAR!!!”

          • February 21, 2017 at 5:11 pm
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            Also, the person pretending they are reading links is you. Most of these I have read in the past, over years, which is why I use them again and again.

            So, did you notice in my link where they went over what I’m talking about regarding why there were flaws with the study contradicting and saying there was no illegal voter fraud?

            Please explain why they are wrong, rather than simply focusing on the item you think cannot be proven (regarding dead voters and people registered in two states. These are simply two areas that could have the most illegal immigrants due to the flaw explained in my link, and that is why they are flagged for review.)

          • February 21, 2017 at 5:21 pm
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            “speak, your fascism is showing again.
            “Big shock you have for over a year supported a person who is in favor of pedophilia to go with your previous acceptance of sexual assault and rape. Drplorables””

            Also, I NEVER accepted sexual assault. I said that you were twisting Trump’s words to create a scenario that is untrue, then corrected the scenario.

            I mentioned how actual sexual things happen. I mentioned you might be at a club, dancing with a woman, she kisses you, you grab each other, and sex ensues. I pointed out that what Trump said sounds a lot like this, not the false narrative you pushed that he just walks up out of the blue and grabs a woman by the crotch. I even said that would be assault, and guy should go to jail for that. When I said I knew good men who sound like Trump, and had been in similar scenarios, I also mentioned these were RELATIONSHIPS. How relationships started. Go tell the girlfriends (and now wives) that they were assaulted. We had a biker bad boy, who talked a big game, when really he was just telling a story of how he was the big man that got the girl, and she swooned over him because he is so assume. Not because he assaulted her, but because he had game. You somehow converted that to me saying I approved of just walking up and grabbing women by the crotch, because you conflate things to mean something else all the darn time. I clarified no less than 20 times, like when you said I wanted Muslim families killed, also an actual lie, that I clarified for over two months! I’m not ok with this ACTU.

            I do not support sexual assault, I am not deplorable, and what is dangerous is not only that you believe this of me and republicans, but that you think when you are not listened to about that fake threat, you believe resorting to violence is acceptable. Do you know when violence is acceptable against another group for different ideals? Never. It always leads to fascism, and it is only a matter of time before the person targeted is you. Go ahead and go unify your allies to do this. I won’t. I’ll insist on debate, and not calling Trump voters rapists, pedophiles, and what not.

            You need to end this style of behavior.

          • February 21, 2017 at 5:28 pm
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            Let me show why people like you lead to fascism:

            Based on how people word things you call them rapists and say they aren’t allowed to speak. This includes defending themselves ACTU, and leads to scenarios like the campus rape 50.01%. Someone is going to get harmed, people will start to lose their innocent until proven guilty because they said something controversial, and will be shut down from being a voice.

            Then, if they aren’t shut down as per your command, a trial you have no evidence of calling someone a rapist like myself, you will say if the college allows them to speak there (if for example I did) then your violence is justifiable. Let’s assume you’re wrong about me being a rapist, (and you are) and you cause people to be violent about a normal person. Then people get silenced. And your dominance gets out of hand, especially if in the government.

            Policing of speech will ensue, news stations will be shut down, professors fired, people will otherwise go to the course of violence, because they will say they weren’t listened to, and we will go down hill.

            You’re a fascist, not me.

          • February 21, 2017 at 5:57 pm
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            Bob, you are being insane. You defend doing calculations quickly and messing them up, say it is the theory that counts, and then tell Ron to show his work.You are aware everyone can see your posts, not just the person you reply to, right? You omit the part where you lied and said the math was not wrong,but you had made a typo. That is 1 of many examples, I will not go over them with you, because you are not consistent or honest.

            You are clueless, and/or lying about Russia. CNN did not report the details of Trump supposedly watching prostitutes in Russia. They reported that intelligence agencies found this document to be credible enough to brief the president and Trump on it. That is not debatable, and is confirmed. It is also huge news, and since conservatices do not like it they call it fake. Only idiots are calling this fake news.

            This document is called The Steele Dossier. You did not know this, and were also wrong about CNN, so as usual you have no credibility on the topic, which will not stop you from spamming pages of incorrect information here, lying, and insulting people who koiw the story.It also shows you have not read it, nor have you even looked into it.

            As for Russian contacts you are full of crap. Saying a disproportionate amount of business is in the country but he has no contacts there is dumb. Manafort has contacts, Page, Kushner, Flynn, Cohen, Sater, and more. You have to be literally insane to believe he has no contacts.

            You are lying or uninformed about Flynn. They have already acknowledged he lied to the FBI and as of now, because this is a banana republic government, he won’t be charged. He talked to Russia before the election. You are simply wrong. Tgere is a new story that you should look into, if you can avoid the sites that have made you so uninformed, about Sater and his lawyer hand delivering a message to Flynn. You are not capable of saying something without lying or presenting a half-truth.

            It is pretty amazing you don’t even bother to look into anything, but pretend to be an informed, knowledgeable serious person. It’s a joke.

          • February 21, 2017 at 6:32 pm
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            “Bob, you are being insane. You defend doing calculations quickly and messing them up, say it is the theory that counts, and then tell Ron to show his work.”

            I showed my work, and corrected the typo. I did not mess up the calculation method, I moved the decimal point to the wrong position. The math and the theory was correct. I am not contradicting myself, and he has not even tried to show his evidence, he’s making statements of fact without support. Someone can be wrong, but he’s not even giving support whereas I do. There is no contradiction.

            “You are aware everyone can see your posts, not just the person you reply to, right? You omit the part where you lied and said the math was not wrong,but you had made a typo.”

            I did not lie, I am not omitting anything, but you are. You’re omitting that I corrected it, and it was a simple misstatement. I said here is the math, and then I said this is therefore x percent. The percent was wrong because I moved the decimal point, which is why UW keeps saying my math is off by a hundred times. The decimal ended up being something like .001, vs .01, I cannot recall the specifics, but the concept was still not wrong. Regardless, show your work in the now. You’re still not debating what I’ve said presently, and are insisting that I’m a liar without proof.

            “That is 1 of many examples,”

            It isn’t even one example, and I already showed my counter. I was correct regarding usage of the word conviction for college Rape, and UW did not know what he was talking about.

            “I will not go over them with you, because you are not consistent or honest.”

            Yes I am, you’re not.

            “You are clueless, and/or lying about Russia.”

            Statement of fact, now let’s see the supporting evidence.

            “CNN did not report the details of Trump supposedly watching prostitutes in Russia. They reported that intelligence agencies found this document to be credible enough to brief the president and Trump on it.”

            You don’t even know what happened, oy vey. CNN actually did not directly report on this data. They mentioned it, and then said that they found other information, which might have been part of the same report (though it wasn’t, it actually was just fake information) that people found to be credible. But what was credible? That Russia intervened in the election, but NOTHING to do with being in league with Trump, which is what the Buzzfeed section alleged. CNN then tried to say Trump was insane for saying they would dare try to research his ties to Russia, it was not whether Russia intervened to him, it was as he clarified at the time, that the media was trying to say the FBI was looking into him and had credible evidence he was in league with Russia. They did not.

            “That is not debatable, and is confirmed.”

            You don’t know what you’re talking about.

            “It is also huge news, and since conservatices do not like it they call it fake. Only idiots are calling this fake news.”

            Conflation again. Conservatives are actually calling for an investigation to shut people up about this. Some conservatives are not playing with this crap and have pointed out this insistence Trump has Russian political ties is wasting our time, and it is fake news. And it is. There is no evidence that Trump was involved in Russia’s hacking of the election. Zero. If so, point me to it. No support? Then shut up.

            “This document is called The Steele Dossier. You did not know this, and were also wrong about CNN,”

            You didn’t refer to the report by name, so that’s your fault. But I did assume you were talking about the credible research into Trump, which was a 2 page document that CNN did report on. CNN originally even themselves said that the Steele report was not at all credible and they didn’t back it. I watched Anderson Cooper say their news agency didn’t take that unsubstantiated report seriously, because even he believed it was fake news. Buzzfeed was forced to apologize. It is not credible, you are far behind on the updates of this.

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/01/13/the-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/#27e718c155f1

            Here is some info on that report, which you finally named. Unnamed sources highlight in particular, literal hearsay, etc. The fact is that you missed CNN publicly apologize for even referring to this indirectly as news. Anderson Cooper tried to say to Trump’s female advisor, and I watched this on live tv so it would be hard to find, he tried to say she lied that they reported on it, and then directed people to the link she mentioned to show that it only linked to the buzzfeed article, it didn’t comment on the credibility. There was a total melt down, and I can see Anderson Cooper’s point. They did only mention it indirectly, he was right. That is balance, see?

            “so as usual you have no credibility on the topic, which will not stop you from spamming pages of incorrect information here,”

            What precisely is credibility to you? Also, I didn’t lie.

            “lying, and insulting people who koiw the story.”

            I could say the same of you, but I don’t call you a liar. I just say you don’t know the story. Also, you can’t be lying if you don’t know a story, it would be called being wrong. Pick one. I also love how much your ability to type is falling apart on these comments now. I’m having meltdowns?

            “It also shows you have not read it, nor have you even looked into it.”

            You actually just proved that. You missed CNN’s near total shutdown when they talked about this, and Anderson Cooper stating in public they would never back the Buzzfeed story. They then talked about a separate issue, a two page report about entirely different things that the FBI was taking seriously, and it had nothing to do with the buzzfeed crap, the Steele report.

            “As for Russian contacts you are full of crap. Saying a disproportionate amount of business is in the country but he has no contacts there is dumb.”

            No, you’re dumb. What contacts does he have with the Russian government?

            “Manafort has contacts, Page, Kushner, Flynn, Cohen, Sater, and more. You have to be literally insane to believe he has no contacts.”

            You mean people that had to start getting ready to talk with people from other nations? Just like what happened with Obama? Even CNN said live that these conversations are normal, we don’t have transcripts, there is no evidence. They said what isn’t normal is the amount, though that’s subjective. I want to know the numbers that is causing this paranoia. We actually do have transcripts of Flynn’s though, and the review already says he didn’t break the law. He would have if he line item discussed sanctions, which is not his place, but instead he said they would go over those sanctions soon and to not over react as a result of Obama’s sanctions. That is setting an appointment, if anything, to discuss further. This is not a Russian tie.

            “You are lying or uninformed about Flynn.”

            ht tp://thehill.com/policy/national-security/319993-flynn-denied-to-fbi-discussing-sanctions-with-russian-ambassador

            Even this is biased, but the issue that caused Trump to fire Flynn is that Flynn panicked and then lied. You are uninformed on Flynn. They asked if Flynn discussed sanctions in so much as if he had offered line item changes, that is why Flynn said no. When you make an appointment to make changes, like Flynn did, you don’t consider it a conversation about sanctions. This is a cover up without a crime ACTU.

            “They have already acknowledged he lied to the FBI and as of now, because this is a banana republic government,”

            No. The liberals claim this because they think the commentary contradicts. But in fact, it is the wording of the question. Again, they asked if he talked about the sanctions. Him calling to say they will deal with sanctions soon, is not a call about sanctions. It’s a diplomatic call letting them know they will soon work with Russia on all issues. This is a phrasing issue, and Flynn did nothing wrong other than panicking and resigning.

            “he won’t be charged. He talked to Russia before the election. You are simply wrong.”

            Which is normal. He didn’t talk about line items of sanctions. He said they would review them. This is not illegal.

            “Tgere is a new story that you should look into, if you can avoid the sites that have made you so uninformed, about Sater and his lawyer hand delivering a message to Flynn. You are not capable of saying something without lying or presenting a half-truth. ”

            That’s you. And I am capable of looking at any links. Provide your link.

            “It is pretty amazing you don’t even bother to look into anything, but pretend to be an informed, knowledgeable serious person. It’s a joke.”

            That’s you.

            I’m tired of this ACTU.

          • February 21, 2017 at 6:37 pm
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            For the people you listed with regards to having Russian ties by name:

            What ties, who, how, when? Was it a part of the campaign, which is typical?

            Do you have evidence of what their conversations entailed? Or are you simply saying the numbers is unusual, to try and say any contact is bad? Again, all administrations have contacts with other countries including Russia at the time of an election. Even CNN said the amount was what concerned them, and that to me is a minor issue without evidence to back it up, because they did not say the actual numeric difference between the two presidents (Obama and Trump).

            What did they collude regarding? Show me your evidence.

          • February 21, 2017 at 6:45 pm
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            And BAM, found it.

            http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/politics/anderson-cooper-kellyanne-conway-trump-intelligence-report-russia-cnntv/

            From Anderson Cooper’s mouth:

            “Can you deny that what we reported, not what BuzzFeed, all that unsubstantiated stuff, which we’re not reporting, what we reported — how can you say it’s not true?” ”

            CNN actually tried to stay as far from the Steele report as possible.

            I know you’re going to try and focus on the person he’s talking with and call her a liar, but let’s focus on what I’m verifying with this link. Anderson Cooper called this report unsubstantiated.

            Is this my usual conservative link bias? Did Anderson Cooper somehow miss the memo, and he’s lying or uninformed?

            Freaking idiot!

          • February 21, 2017 at 6:47 pm
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            So we are going to pause right now ACTU:

            Were you wrong, a liar, or misinformed about this which you called credible evidence?

            I told you, there were two sections. One was whether or not Russia hacked the election, which CNN said was credible, and one was whether or not Trump had Russia ties and was potentially black mail-able and a risk.

            You are so ignorant you missed the entire thing, I think though, that the bad truth is: Many in the liberal media WANTED you and TRIED to get you to have this conclusion by blurring it all together.

            Are you going to now admit you didn’t know what the hell you were talking about?

          • February 21, 2017 at 6:50 pm
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            I actually watch a lot of liberal sites, and the fact that I basically knew this conversation took place off the top of my head before finding it, proves that fact.

            You said I only listen to conservative sites. Will you know retract your comment?

            I’m sick of this ACTU! I’m very well informed on said topics.

            You’re fumbling like that Falcons interception football that flew all over the place just near the ground a couple weeks ago.

            Is it not yet clear, that I look at all angles possible?

          • February 21, 2017 at 7:36 pm
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            I’m curious ACTU, did you even look up the Steele report again until today? I think you only found out the name today. Why do I suspect this?

            Because look at my link. It literally took less than 24 hours from when Buzzfeed released this information for CNN to denounce it. This means you saw the first report, and didn’t research any further.

            h ttps://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia

            January 10th was the original publish date. January 11th was that interview with Cooper saying it was unsubstantiated. What, did you see the report on the 10th, do no research, and assume it was true?

            I noticed you first called it the original reported name, the Trump Dossier, that was before people started calling it the Steele Dossier. You changed after I called you out. Could it be you googled it after we started debating it, and had not looked it up since your first knee jerk reaction?

            How close am I ACTU? Does it hurt to debate with someone this smart? It’s like freaking Sherlock in here right now. I want you to answer honestly: AM I RIGHT?

            I think I am. You are a clueless piece of garbage. I know what you are kid. Even if you won’t admit it, this is exactly how I’ve caught people in actual lies before. That they themselves admitted to. Don’t try to fly something past me. It won’t work.

          • February 21, 2017 at 11:14 pm
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            You are so full of crap, Bob.

            Your CNN link does nothing but prove how clueless you are CNN did not apologize, in fact, it proved EXACTLY what I claimed. At the end of the link you cite:

            “Conway continued to insist that the CNN report linked to BuzzFeed’s publishing of the 35-page document that had unsubstantiated memos. Cooper fact-checked her claim by reviewing the article on CNN.com.

            ‘There’s no link to Buzzfeed. Full stop.'”

            The info in the dossier was not discussed, only that Obama and Trump had been briefed on it, as I said. As as said, you are devastatingly uninformed or lying. You rant and spam and think it means you are right and smart. “CNN” did not apologize, you are full of crap. As it turns out

            YOU ARE WRONG HERE. YOUR LINK PROVES WHAT I SAID, AND CONTRADICTS WHAT YOU CLAIM.

            “[…]Kellyanne Conway, the senior adviser to President-elect Donald Trump vehemently denied a report that intelligence officials presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him.”

            We now know that this is a lie, which you believed and used as “evidence” of me being wrong and believing in fake news. In reality, they have acknowledged he was briefed on it. You are clueless, apologize and admit you were wrong.

            As for Cooper not taking it seriously, so what? The intelligence agencies did, and they presented it to the president and Trump, which is all CNN reported. CNN and Forbes are wrong, BTW. It was reported by multiple sources this week that law enforcement has now confirmed much of the dossier. It is only fake news in the way you and idiot conservatives use the term, meaning something you disagree with, like climate change, evolution, or science.

            “I could say the same of you, but I don’t call you a liar. I just say you don’t know the story. ”

            Says the guy who just linked a story showing opposite what he claimed and that Trump has no Russian contacts. But, I do call you a liar, because you are one.

            “They then talked about a separate issue, a two page report about entirely different things that the FBI was taking seriously, and it had nothing to do with the buzzfeed crap, the Steele report.”

            This is a lie or you are not competent. The “separate report” is the intelligence briefing for the president and Trump, which is based on the Steele Dossier. You see, a briefing often has a report which is shorter and synthesizes the information so they can brief on the relevant facts. 2 pages is actually double what Trump prefers.

            I could go on, but you are clearly no informed on this in the least, and making up fictions to support your story.

            THE 2 PAGE DOCUMENT IS THE BRIEF ON THE STEELE DOSSIER. ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG, AND APOLOGIZE. I won’t bother with this anymore, you don’t even know the absolute basics. Just an utter embarrassment.

            “You mean people that had to start getting ready to talk with people from other nations?”

            No. Lying or devastatingly uninformed. Manafort has extensive Russian contacts, and was referred to work in Ukraine by a right-hand man of Putin.

            ht tp://www.politifact.com/global-news/article/2016/may/02/paul-manafort-donald-trumps-top-adviser-and-his-ti/

            Flynn was paid by Putin to attend a dinner (illegal) and ate dinner with him.

            His secretary of state worked in Russia with the upper echelons of Russian government, including Putin while in the private sector. The list goes on-and-on, but you don’t believe it, so no evidence will ever change your mind. Don’t comment on this, you don’t have the baseline competence.

            “You mean people that had to start getting ready to talk with people from other nations? Just like what happened with Obama? Even CNN said live that these conversations are normal, we don’t have transcripts, there is no evidence. They said what isn’t normal is the amount, though that’s subjective.”

            Lies or devastatingly wrong. What he did was discuss removing the sanctions, which is not only not normal, but not legal. YOU CITE THIS, NUTJOB! Your Hill story specifically says he lied to the FBI and for anybody with half a brain won’t be charged: “but the decision to prosecute would rest with Trump’s Justice Department.” It doesn’t confirm what you want to believe so you claim it is biased with no explanation given. Freaking clown.

            “Again, they asked if he talked about the sanctions. Him calling to say they will deal with sanctions soon, is not a call about sanctions.”

            Hey, genius, you Hill article contradicts this, keep your lies straight.

            “What ties, who, how, when? Was it a part of the campaign, which is typical?

            This is the most outrageous thing you have said in months. You think coordinating with a foreign government is typical? You are insane.

            “I’m curious ACTU, did you even look up the Steele report again until today?”

            Yes, I have followed the story since it broke, unlike you.

            “I think you only found out the name today. Why do I suspect this?”

            Because you aren’t intelligent or well-informed, and don’t think anything you don’t know exists. You CLEARLY did not know what it was, or what Obama and Trump were briefed on, but pretended to be an expert, and made claims that simply are not true about both and CNN’s reporting on it. My opinion on you as a person is pretty clear, but this is immoral. If you do not know something don’t write about it, because you are wrong on everything, even your own links go against what you claim. Lying trash is what most of your comments are, especially to me.

            But, you don’t think Flynn has Russian ties, so whatever.

          • February 22, 2017 at 9:31 am
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            You are wasting your time, Actu. He found a study confirming his belief, it is Truth now. The studies proving contrary or the fact it is fundamentally flawed in methodology do not matter, because Bob Math. Show your work, just the math, I only misplaced a decimal even though that does not add up either…it is the theory that matters, now disregard all theory by academics on the topic.

          • February 23, 2017 at 1:55 am
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            Bob, your comments on Syria and safe zones are incomprehensible. Obama was against them, and liberals are against them now. You present an article syndicated in Newsweek from a far right-wing think tank arguing in favor of safe zones, and then another article saying that extremist right-wingers like Trump support safe zones, and then call this fake news. This is moronic. It also isn’t fake news. Stupid people have destroyed the term, which was Trump’s plan, and the rubes went for it alarmingly fast. “Fake news” is news are stories that are wrong, have no basis in reality, and are put out specifically to mislead people. Examples of this are Trump’s claims about illegal voters and his claim that he won the election by historical margins. Get a clue or stop writing.

            “The media has flipped from Trump having government ties to Russia, to he has business ties in Russia, and keeps cycling it intentionally to make the two seem like they are the same.”

            The two are the same; Russia is an oligarchy. The rich control both, and run in both circles. It is also not debatable, Trump has ties to both. You keep saying for example that Flynn only contacted Russia to talk about non-sanction related items, and has no ties there. This is wrong. I think you are clueless on this, but your pathological lying makes it impossible to tell. Here is a case when Flynn was illegally paid to attend a dinner with a person he has no ties with, Putin. Like the videos of Trump saying things, I am 100% sure you will say this doesn’t exist, or is not proof of anything, because Bob Logic.

            ht tp://images.dailykos.com/images/330928/story_image/flynn.jpg?1479834100

            “They have also tried to force Trump to sell his businesses as well. This is absurd. There is no reason a president should have to give away their method of living to be president. And yet, the liberals are implying if he doesn’t he is somehow in collusion with Russia.”

            It is the law, not absurd. Trump’s interests and the interests of the nation are exactly opposite. This isn’t debatable, it is illegal for a president to violate the Emoluments Clause. If you have a problem with it as being ridiculous talk to the Founders, and the presidents before who got rid of businesses. The level of hypocrisy from you is outrageous. Total clown who can only repeat word-for-word right-wing talking points.

            Your NYT link was from before the election, it has been debunked. Pretty much exactly what you do with your BS story from the first year Reagan was in office to “prove” data from the next 7 years. Hey, remember when you melted down and refused to even look at data YOU provided that DISPROVED YOUR ARGUMENT? Imbecilic.

            “The liberal media wanted safe zones then blasted Trump for it.”

            As proven by a story from a right-wing think tank criticizing Obama and liberals for not wanting safe zones. Illiterate to the max. Read your stories genius, and then read them again, and then have a literate person explain them to you, because I have caught 3 of your sources that are EVIDENCE AGAINST YOUR CLAIMS.

            “They said Trump had NO evidence. None. They said he was a liar. They didn’t just say he had no evidence and was mistaken. They said the words liar”

            And they were right, liar.

            “Why was the fact that Obama banned them relevant?”

            Obama did not ban them. He started of the about 55K Iraqi refugees who had been admitted into the US because there was a potential flaw in the fingerprinting system. All new refugees had to undergo the new enhanced scrutiny, which was labor-intensive and slowed the rate of Iraqi refugees entering the US for the approximately 6 months it took to do the review. Iraqi refugees continued to be allowed into the US during this time. Right there, you are 100% wrong, as you always are.

            As for limiting it to the 7 countries Trump did, and you ignorantly and dishonestly claim was the same as Obama, it’s not reality, never happened. Trump is talking about an amendment to the Visa Waiver Program, genius Bob. This made it so people from these 7 nations could not enter the US without obtaining a Visa first, as they had previously been allowed to do. It did not stop them en masse, or even at all if they could get a Visa, which they did not stop giving. It also had a huge number of exceptions You are full of crap on this in every sense, and totally uninformed.

            This is the simplest article I could find on it for you. Please have somebody explain it to you.

            ht tp://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/31/14444862/obama-refugee-ban-2011

            “It’s time to see the big picture. I hope my facts help.”

            They might, if at some point you ever present actual facts.

            If you say Trump’s plan is the same as Obama’s plan you are a liar.

            “You told me on here weeks back that I should be careful saying what I do, because I’m totes magotes like Timothy McVeigh and someone might think I need to be taken out.”

            Actually, he quoted you and McVeigh directly, it’s when I started realizing you were nuts. Never said you should be taken out that I saw, that seems to be what you say or infer every few posts.

            “De Paul? No, you would never go to a Catholic one. Maybe your friends ANITFA at Berkeley? Hah, relax man, it’s a joke.”

            I actually know people from both, and they are superior to you intellectually and morally. DePaul isn’t a liberal school either, genius. Also, don’t talk about Catholics, aside from apologizing for child molestation in the Church you are not a Catholic.

            “Do you recall one of my last comments? I said I was leaving. And I did. I was not banned.”

            You also say you are presenting facts, saw things that didn’t happen, and ignore video evidence, your word is as credible as a parrot’s.

            “This was not a meltdown.

            It was. You cursed me, Ron, Planet, UW and probably others out, lied about data, said I wanted to attack you, and said UW wanted you dead–nobody said or inferred any of this. It was a full-blown meltdown. Look into the studies in the links I gave you, which you ignored, the internet poll cannot sufficiently eliminate the selectivity bias in this case. You have no knowledge of basic statistics, so you aren’t actually competent to comment on this, BTW.

            “Pre debunked voter fraud? That’s actually a bad thing.”

            Pre-debunked his claims, because conservatives have been making the same claims for years. Please get literate.

            “Hahahahaha, spoken like a TRUE facist! I love that you just admitted it.”

            Fascism is a right-wing political ideology, you constantly call me far left-wing, it can’t be both. Please get an elementary understanding of this stuff.

            “Illegal. Not immigrants, illegal. For each one here that is illegal we cannot take people who are actually productive.”

            Undocumented is the actual legal term, and it is a civil violation. I would support deporting accused serial rapists before I would support deporting non-criminal offenses. Please learn the basics on this before you try to make idiotic arguments.

            “I already knew your rebuttal in advance ”

            So it’s okay here, but not when people do it with the tired voter fraud argument. Please get a consistent ideology before commenting again.

            ” the person pretending they are reading links is you. Most of these I have read in the past, over years, which is why I use them again and again.”

            If that were true I would think you would understand what was in them. CNN link didn’t show what you claimed, and the 2 Newsweek articles went against your idiotic argument.

            “I mentioned how actual sexual things happen.”

            No, in the context it was walking up to a woman and grabbing her pu$$$ exactly like Trump said. You changed it later, after claiming you “just knew” because, IMO, you were feeling heat and embarrassment from being a self-admitted accused serial rapist who was supporting sexual assault. I won’t debate your perverted views, but you are lying. You cannot stop lying. Please stop lying.

            “I showed my work, and corrected the typo. I did not mess up the calculation method”

            Lie. It wasn’t a typo. Find the thread and prove it or shut up about it, because it was cited about 20 times. Also, that’s not your only example. You did it with 401Ks and recently with the BS Chicago crime stats before you melted down and refused to look at actual data, instead relying on Bobby math.

          • February 24, 2017 at 1:09 pm
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            Bob either your reading comprehension sucks or you intentionally lie and refuse to reply to anything posted. You are caught at least 2x here mischaracterizing stories you quote.

      • February 16, 2017 at 11:21 pm
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        Yes, lies and insanity pass for handing them their heads in conservative land. A guy asked why he keeps lying, saying he had a historically big electoral college margin, and he melted down even harder. If you don’t see he is seriously mentally damaged you have problems.

        • February 17, 2017 at 9:51 am
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          Georgie Sore-ass isn’t spending his Troll-buying money wisely.

          • February 17, 2017 at 11:25 am
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            More insults from the cartoon. Stick to lying and making personal threats PolarDeplorable, at least those are coherent

          • February 17, 2017 at 4:31 pm
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            Your tone invites rebukes. Call them anything you like.

          • February 17, 2017 at 7:14 pm
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            You didn’t rebuke anything. Please learn the definition of words so you don’t look like an idiot, you are disgracing unemployed agents everywhere.

          • February 18, 2017 at 3:06 pm
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            George Sore-ass called; he wants his troll payment bit coins back.

          • February 18, 2017 at 7:06 pm
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            Fake fact checker…. very fake fact checker.

          • February 21, 2017 at 12:18 pm
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            So you think it is fake facts, meaning you believe Trunp won by historical margins. You are not competent to discuss politics, stick to pathetic, loser attempts at trolling, and personally threatening people.

          • February 21, 2017 at 5:59 pm
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            The dumb birther pushing a stupid conspiracy theory.

          • February 21, 2017 at 7:01 pm
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            I never said TrumPresident won by historic margins.

            Buh-bye, Straw Man!

          • February 21, 2017 at 7:02 pm
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            There is no ‘conspiracy theory’ about what Sore-ass is and has been doing. European governments are chasing him down.

          • February 22, 2017 at 9:34 am
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            They just called out Trump for claiming he won by historic margins and you replied about fake news and fake facts Polar. An illiterate birther, interesting.

          • February 23, 2017 at 3:07 pm
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            Polar, interesting that the IJ monitor allows the leftists to down vote Bob’s comments to oblivion while they are allowing these dudes to upvote themselves in the same fashion. Is this fair and balanced?

        • February 20, 2017 at 7:36 am
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          @fake fact checker, very fake fact checker:

          The only meltdowns I’ve seen lately are by snowflake libitterals.

        • February 20, 2017 at 3:46 pm
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          Bob, every time a Conservative voices an opinion differing from a Progressive, they seem to have a reading comprehension problem with wonderful Ron. He is melting down like the other snowflakes who just can’t accept the results of the election. Trump correctly put the media in their place with their agenda gotcha questions. That is what Progressives do. They can’t stand the truth about what is going on and why their agenda is toast.

        • February 20, 2017 at 4:00 pm
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          Bob, welcome back to the world of Leftists vs Conservatives. Our new President is forging ahead with his program to Make America Great again despite all that the Alt Left throws at him. It is a joke that the sore loser media (who was like another party)in their quest to get Hilliary elected just can’t ask one legitimate question, scream murder when the President lets Katie Pavlich of Town Hall have a question at a news conference. She actually asked a good question which the President had no problem answering. CNN aka Communist News Network should be given the back row and never called on from now on. No wonder they are called Fake News.

          • February 20, 2017 at 4:41 pm
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            Yeah I probably will leave again soon. This is just too low level of political debate for my taste.

            The level of full picture detailing is abysmal.

            Interesting point on Hillary, regarding the questions. I’m sure Ron is either forgetting this or thinks it is not a valid point. There actually is evidence that Democrats pushed away questions they didn’t like by colluding with liberal news stations. I actually don’t care about that, because again, I don’t care if someone doesn’t like answering a question, I care about the laws and actions taken.

            I don’t care for the hoo ha people go back and forth on this. I just want crap done. That’s it. That’s all. And the left is taking actions that could cause a total collapse of government currently.

          • February 20, 2017 at 4:43 pm
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            To defend Ron, I’m not docking him as a person for forgetting.

            I also forgot until you said this. It’s because I don’t have a vendetta against the democrats. I only bring something up if it is relevant.

            In Ron’s case I’m not sure if he forgot for similar reasons. If he did then I hope he can realize this is a good point. I wish the guy would match his head with his heart.

            If ever there were a guy with his heart in the wrong place it’s him.

          • February 20, 2017 at 4:43 pm
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            I meant heart in the right place, not wrong.

          • February 20, 2017 at 5:38 pm
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            Welcome back, bob.

            As regards the long run outlook for this comment page, it is becoming a big waste of my time to rebuke repeatedly the empty criticism of TrumPresidency. Supposed fact checkers are more like fake fact checkers, and there’s no reason to put them in their place when they don’t offer any substantive debate.

            I have too many productive projects going on ( watch a Libitteral make a snide remark about my projects without having a clue as to their nature ) to spend time here on rebukes.

          • February 21, 2017 at 3:05 pm
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            Bob, Trumo’s advisers admitted it was intended to be a Muslim ban, Trump called for one during the campaign, and it is obviously intended to be such. I do not understand why you supported a Muslim ban in the campaign, but now lie and say it is not a ban when ut is not debateable, it was created to be one.

            Again, you are completely uninformed, or as usual lying about CNN and Russia. They did not try to distance themselves, they reported it was deemed credible enough by the intelligence community to brief the higher ups, president, and Trump. On top of that it was recently reported that law enforcement has confirmed many things in the dossier. You seem to be denying he has Russian connections, which is nuts even for far righties.He undeniably has Russian connections, and 4 of his top staff have resigned due to Russian connections. His post-bankruptcy resurgence was largely financed through Russia, and his son stated a “disproportionate” amount of their business was in Russua.

            Almost every single word you write is wrong and fundamentally dishones,you have no place commenting on this.

          • February 21, 2017 at 3:29 pm
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            “Bob, Trumo’s advisers admitted it was intended to be a Muslim ban, Trump called for one during the campaign,”

            Trump referred to it by a name, and when asked at the time he said it would be a freeze until we could do extreme vetting. Then people asked him what extreme vetting. It is not a Muslim ban. You’re trying to take his phrasing to mean it was a Muslim ban, yet the top Muslim nations were not on the list, including India, and Syrian Christian refugees were turned away.

            “and it is obviously intended to be such.”

            Nope. Also, it allows for exceptions too.

            “I do not understand why you supported a Muslim ban in the campaign, but now lie and say it is not a ban when ut is not debateable,”

            No, I supported a ban of extremists from the war torn middle east. This is not the same thing.

            “it was created to be one.” No it wasn’t.

            “Again, you are completely uninformed, or as usual lying about CNN and Russia.”

            Hahahaha, no. CNN as per my link changed the name to a Travel ban. And I’m not lying about Russia.

            “They did not try to distance themselves, they reported it was deemed credible enough by the intelligence community to brief the higher ups, president, and Trump.”

            In regards to the Russians interfering in the election? Yes. In regards to Trump having Russian ties? No. Russia did not do that in favor of Trump. He did it to create mass paranoia, and it worked. To create doubt in the system.

            “On top of that it was recently reported that law enforcement has confirmed many things in the dossier.”

            Citation needed, and which dossier? I don’t think you know what I’m talking about. When I mentioned CNN’s blunder, I am referring to the report that Russia had dirt on Trump regarding crude sexual acts, and that Trump was in Russia’s pocket for black mail. You are likely talking about the other section of this dossier, which by the way, disappeared for a reason. It’s not credible. We happen to investigate our presidents quite a bit, and any concern will be researched to make sure we don’t have an issue. That does not show Trump has Russian ties, which to date, no evidence shows as such.

            “You seem to be denying he has Russian connections, which is nuts even for far righties.”

            No, it’s nuts to say he does before we have evidence of such.

            “He undeniably has Russian connections,”

            Citation needed.

            “and 4 of his top staff have resigned due to Russian connections.”

            Wrong. Flynn resigned in particular because he had a phone conversation and said they would discuss Russian sanctions. He is not allowed by law to actually line item debate the sanctions, as the liberals are saying he did, and if he did, he would be prosecuted. Yet, even CNN said he didn’t break any laws, but then tried to imply even bringing up the sanctions was illegal. That is not a Russian tie. That is calling as all administrations do in order to set up the meeting about sanctions. That is entirely different than discussing them, but, it would shut down his entire campaign if that was used, and also Flynn clearly was a coward and knew that so hid it, but this is a cover up without a crime. What are the other 3?

            “His post-bankruptcy resurgence was largely financed through Russia,”

            Oh really? The Russian government wrote the check? Doing business in a Country does not equate to Russian political ties. I already said above precisely how the media was misleading on this and you just verbatim fell for it.

            “and his son stated a “disproportionate” amount of their business was in Russua.”

            Perhaps it was easy for them to do business there, and again, this is not Russi9an ties.

            “Almost every single word you write is wrong and fundamentally dishones,you have no place commenting on this.”

            Wrong. Grow up actu, what you just wrote is why our society is falling apart. Yes, Trump is a Russian spy dictator Nazi, about to put Muslims in internment camps, and is bigoted and the sky will fall.

            That’s why ANTIFA is attacking people, that’s why college kids are going insane, and this shows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this is engrained in the media who is definitely in occlusion with democrats.

      • February 21, 2017 at 9:51 am
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        And, then we have Fake-news-man himself, Dan Rather, calling out the President for saying the main-stream media is nothing but fake news! What’s next? Brian Williams teaming up with Dan?

        • February 21, 2017 at 1:00 pm
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          Patticake, the Fake News is in total denial now. They thought they could swing the election for thug Hilliary with non stop verbal abuse of Trump. The regular folks saw right through them. Journalism as we knew it is dead in America now. Not sure we will get back to real news honestly reported anytime in the near future.

  • February 16, 2017 at 1:31 pm
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    So will this eliminate the need for 1095 C reporting?

    • February 16, 2017 at 6:22 pm
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      I’m going to GUESS that it won’t. But omitting PAYMENT of the penalty WON’T initiate an LIE-RS action/ bill to collect it.

      Just a suggestion; report the item, but don’t pay it.

  • February 16, 2017 at 1:49 pm
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    This is fake news. The “President” can’t remove portions of the law on his own.

    • February 16, 2017 at 3:59 pm
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      Obama did. You have a short memory indeed.

    • February 16, 2017 at 6:25 pm
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      Hi Will;

      Please EXPLAIN why the POTUS in office now “can’t do stuff” but the tyrant POTUS who recently left office – and a HYUUUGGE mess for the next guy to clean up – did whatever he wanted to do.

      • February 17, 2017 at 2:10 pm
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        Such a huge mess, like much lower unemployment, no Great Depression started, no giant war in Iraq, markets booming, wages increasing, crime rate down, etc. Clueless. Troll.

      • February 17, 2017 at 4:32 pm
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        Come back after you’ve located the root causes for those maladies.

        Make a full report of your discovery.

        Meanwhile, others are going to keep busy by MAGA.

      • February 18, 2017 at 3:08 pm
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        Psst; U3 is fake news. U6 is reality TV.

        George Sore-ass called; he wants his bit coins back due to ineffective trolling.

      • February 21, 2017 at 8:45 am
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        “no giant war in Iraq”

        Correct. JV team ISIL (ISIS for us common people) was largely in control if Iraq after Obama’s premature and ANNOUNCED withdrawal of ground troops without proper support left in place. And ISIS is not hanging around in Iraq to fight a “giant war” because ‘the JV team’ is branching out to all places on Earth that practice religions other than Muslim, to terrorize and eventually overtake them and install Sharia Law.

        Obama waged ‘no giant war’ in Iraq, enabling Islamic terrorists in Iran and elsewhere in the ME to spread terror across the globe. TrumPresident will annihilate ISIS.

        • February 21, 2017 at 12:49 pm
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          You are fully incompetent on this matter. First,in the time you reference ISIS and ISIL were considered diffetent groups based on their geography, and were an offshoot of al Qaeda in Iraq, which rose to power under Bush. That disastrous war, created and supported by Republicans will cause constant extremist groups for decades. IS has lost half the key cities it controlled in just the last year, not counting most of Mosul. The terrorism threat to the US was much worse when Obama took over than now.

          Keeping troops in Iraq would do nothing but create more terrorists. Saying announcing a withdrawal had any significant negative effect is moronic, and it was announced during Bush’s term, so even by your idiotic theory it has improved.

          The “JV team” which has less worldwide reach, less sophisticated funding, and less support in the Muslim world, making it a JV team,is not branching out. Whichever source you read that from is an absolute,100 percent idiot. They are being decimated, have lost ground, people, and are reportedly going broke, not branching out. You are wrong on every count, completely uninformed.

        • February 21, 2017 at 12:58 pm
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          Yogi,U6 is way down under Obama, not that you actually know what it is. Nothing you say is even tangentially related to reality.Lies, insults, and bad trolling, what a life.

        • February 21, 2017 at 7:09 pm
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          Fake fact checking.

          Saying U6 is way down under Obama doesn’t make it good, and the down trend was in spite of what he did. The U6 number could not sustain its high level and had to come down… when Republicans took control of more governor seats and state legislature. It was a state level recovery, which WASN’T seen in deep blue states. Tell me why.

  • February 16, 2017 at 2:10 pm
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    He already pulled $4million in PREPAID Tv ads for ACA (He needs to pay us back) and now this insanity. These genius moves INCREASE health insurance premiums for the 12 million policyholders.

    • February 16, 2017 at 4:14 pm
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      No, it won’t. And the 12 million is fake news.

      • February 17, 2017 at 11:27 am
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        Lies

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          Hint: change your screen name slightly, to ‘fakenewsmaker’. TIA.

  • February 16, 2017 at 2:41 pm
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    The beginning of the end. Just had another call wanting to make some changes but cant. Open Enrollment is closed. Another half an hour of being shot cause I’m the messenger.

    Its a complete mess.

    • February 16, 2017 at 3:27 pm
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      FFA, I have been referring my Blue Cross customers directly to the carrier for some time if they have changes to make. Call the number on the back of the card and get customer service if they can stand the wait time.

      • February 17, 2017 at 10:16 am
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        My customers have jobs that dont include 2+ hour lunch breaks to accommodate the hold time.

    • February 21, 2017 at 6:01 pm
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      Maybe their agent should have explained it to them better so they knew they couldn’t make changes once it was beyond a certain date.

      • February 21, 2017 at 7:12 pm
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        The explanation seems fine to me. But you’re confused?

        • February 23, 2017 at 1:01 am
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          You don’t know what explanation he gave to them, genius. You are not capable of doing anything other than arguing and being an ignorant ass.

          • February 23, 2017 at 3:11 pm
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            More from the swearing leftist. You, UW, factchecker should be run off if we had a real monitor on this forum.

  • February 16, 2017 at 4:33 pm
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    The fine must still be paid if you don’t have a qualifying plan only the refund checks will still be rolling even if you don’t indicate whether you have insurance or not.

    The insurance cartels were praising this decision as it keeps the mandate intact. Not sure what’s up with the clickbait title.

    • February 16, 2017 at 6:26 pm
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      Can someone translate into English the first run-on sentence above?

      • February 17, 2017 at 9:27 am
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        Polar, there is a new title being popularized for the left. They are now known as the ALT LEFT.

        By the way, the American people see right through these jerks. Look at what Journalism schools have been turning out for the past 15-20 years. Mandatory brainwashing into Progressive Socialist thinking by Alinsky graduates. Latest approval rating of Trump just yesterday at 55%. That is a good sign.

        • February 17, 2017 at 9:59 am
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          Personally, I prefer ‘Libitterals’.

          There’s a subtle distinction from it and ‘Libittrolls’.

          Maybe ‘ALTrollinsky Left’, as a hybrid?

          • February 17, 2017 at 11:30 am
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            Insults from the Whiner in Chief.Sad!

          • February 17, 2017 at 4:34 pm
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            Thanks, insult monitor. Please change your ‘moniker’, which is not to be confused with ‘Monica’ or ‘monitor’ (teleprompter).

          • February 20, 2017 at 7:37 am
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            Fake fact checker.

    • February 17, 2017 at 11:01 am
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      Donny, did you miss the part that the “fine” turned out to be a tax as ruled by the Supreme Court. By the way, taxes can be eliminated from about anything. Check out the tax reform in a few weeks on marginal rate reductions for all American citizens. You may be overjoyed.

    • February 21, 2017 at 8:47 am
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      Don’t drink and post!

      sponsored by PBADP

      (Polar Bears Against Drunk Posting)

  • February 17, 2017 at 7:47 am
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    ObamaCarExit means never having to say you’re sorry …. for voting for Republicans.

  • February 17, 2017 at 9:22 am
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    Headline is misleading. Tax penalty for not having coverage still applies – that is statute and cannot be overruled by an executive order. The change is that the IRS will not pend returns that are missing the insurance information. Since the IRS was to start pending returns this year, there is in effect no change in enforcement. It is unfortunate that this and other news coverage will lead people to mistakenly think the tax penalty no longer applies.

  • February 17, 2017 at 9:52 am
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    The congress should take care as should the President. Should the ACA be undone or not funded, then the next reform on tap when the Democratic party takes government is single payer. Once single payer is enacted, it will never be undone. That’s the long term prospect. By undoing something which they don’t like they are, in the end, going to get something they like even less, which is to socialize the finance of health care in its entirety. Most of healthcare finance is already socialized through Medicare, Medicaid and the VA,so the remaining “free market” in finance is actually more symbolic than substantive. The ideologues will cling to their “free market” solutions until the end but they will become irrelevant.

    • February 17, 2017 at 10:03 am
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      Everyone is quaking in their boots… or Uggs… about Single Payer.

      It will only apply if Libitterals leave the USA for Cana-duh, Britain, France, etc.

      I look forward to the dismantling of ACA (ObamaCarExit), then Medicare, then Medicaid, then – or – sooner – the VA…. by Republicans. Once The People see what the Free Maarket can do that the US Gummint screwed up in every instance, they will NEVER ALLOW Social insurance programs again. NEVER.

      • February 17, 2017 at 10:04 am
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        Libitteral Clingers, dreaming/ hypothesizing, again.

        • February 17, 2017 at 10:05 am
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          And, with 5 or 6 Conservative Justices seated on SCOTUS before the end of TrumPresidency, the free market insurance scenario will never be replaced by social insurance. NEVER. EVER. FOREVER and EVER.

          • February 17, 2017 at 2:59 pm
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            Polar, saw a bit of the latest speech by our new Commander in Chief today at the Boeing Plant in SC celebrating their new passenger plane being built there in Right to Work SC. It was so insane that he got numerous cheers and a standing ovation at the conclusion. Hire American, buy American is music to my ears.

    • February 17, 2017 at 11:09 am
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      Vox, spoken like a true believer Alt lefter. I am afraid the momentum has gone away for the left in this country and there is no one in the bullpen to lead the charge back to Progressive Socialism that Obama started. I would call the Progressive Socialist Democratic Party “toast” for at least 2-3 decades.

  • February 17, 2017 at 10:31 am
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    It is you, Polarbear, who is deluded, deluded from ideological neurosis. Your neurosis is on display for all to see, to-wit:
    “NEVER EVER”. This is the rant of a childlike mentality.
    I am not supporting a utopian dream, I am telling you what is going to happen.

    • February 17, 2017 at 4:02 pm
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      Actually Vox, you should be paying attention to the childish rants of Progressive true believers. They have the mentality of a 14 year old. By the way, Trump won, Hilliary thug lost. Elections have important consequences. Get used to it. More to come.

    • February 17, 2017 at 4:36 pm
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      ALERT!

      Snowflake about to meltdown!

      • February 17, 2017 at 5:02 pm
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        Polar, how about a few quotes from one of our greatest Presidents?

        “How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. How do you tell an anti-communist? It’s someone who understands Marx & Lenin”. Ronald Reagan

        “If you are afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. the people of this country are ready to move again”. – Ronald Reagan.

        By the way, the second one should be the clarion call of Trump to the leftists in this country trying to stand in his way to recover this country.

        • February 18, 2017 at 3:12 pm
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          “The government doesn’t solve problems. It just re-arranges them.” – R. Reagan

          • February 20, 2017 at 10:41 am
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            “The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away”. R. Reagan

      • February 20, 2017 at 2:05 pm
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        “I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will eventually triumph. There’s purpose and worth to each and every life”. R. Reagan

        My own take is that right will eventually triumph over the foolish ignorant left. It did on 11-8-16 when so many thought Trump had no chance.

        • February 20, 2017 at 4:53 pm
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          We didn’t win this on that day. I truly think we are looking at a huge swing the other way shortly. I think both sides are at huge loss, it’s just we lost ever so slightly less.

          Hillary may have been unpopular, very very unpopular, but that does not mean conservative policies are popular. We have to sell the people on this. Let’s stop saying the right will prevail, it sounds like we are little followers at that point, and let’s show the WHY the right should be given some credence.

          • February 20, 2017 at 5:08 pm
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            Bob, did you miss that Reagan said “what is right will eventually triumph”? The Left is so wrong on so many issues. They also have little or no common sense. They are so mired in leftist ideology, they have a closed mind to anything from Conservatives on the right. The media are nothing but a pack of leftists now and are filled with the dogma of Progressive Socialism.

            I am afraid I have little patience with people that come at me with leftist viewpoints. If given a little time, Trump will make this country great again with policies that will recover the country. I can’t wait for job creation to strongly kick in, GDP to go to 4+%, tax reform to put more money in the middle class pockets, people being taken off welfare rolls, the chronically unemployed who have been sitting for years to get back in the workforce. If that is a little too far right for you, too bad. Labor participation rate of 62% should go to 70% in the next few years. That is a good sign, by the way.

          • February 20, 2017 at 5:23 pm
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            Me too, I have little tolerance for leftist ideals when they contradict facts. I’m not saying to stop the fight.

            I just don’t say things like “The voters showed the country is on the right track!” or “We won this on 11/6/2016” or anything like that. I’m just giving some examples of what might be seen as self evidence of the right being right based on the fact that they won the election. We have to actually be right. People will just dislike us if we say we won therefore we are right.

            We still have a fight to fight. I want to keep it going on tangible items.

          • February 21, 2017 at 12:53 pm
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            “Politics is supposed to be the world’s second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first”. R. Reagan

        • February 23, 2017 at 3:21 pm
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          Polar, saw one of those archived photos today from the Reagan years. Reagan was having a formal dinner at the White House and people were coming through the reception line shaking hands with the POTUS. One of them was none other than our current POTUS. Reagan was said to have remarked that somehow he knew he was shaking hands with a future President. The wisdom of Reagan was amazing.

      • February 20, 2017 at 5:19 pm
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        Polar, following is a good one sent to me by a friend.

        A tourist walked into a Chinese curio shop in San Francisco. While looking around at the exotic merchandise, he noticed a very life sized bronze statue of a rat. It had no price tag, but was striking so the tourist decided he had to have it. He asked the shop owner how much for the bronze rat. The shop owner said $12 for the rat and $100 for the story.

        The tourist quickly pulled out the $12 and said, I’ll take the rat and you keep the story. As the tourist was walking down the street, he noticed that some real rats crawled out of the alleys and sewers and was following him. A couple of blocks later, he looked behing him and saw to his horror that a large herd of rats were behind him and they began squealing. He was terrified and he ran to the edge of the bay and threw the bronze rat as far as he could into the bay. Amazingly, the large herd of rats jumped into the bay after the bronze rat and were all drowned.

        The man walked back to the curio shop in Chinatown. Ahh, said the owner. You came back for story? No sir, said the man. I came back to see if you have a bronze Democrat.

        • February 20, 2017 at 5:48 pm
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          There’s no need to spend $12 on a bronze Democrat when Schmucky Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are leading the Dems.

          • February 20, 2017 at 6:09 pm
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            Both of them look like drowned rats. She must have been swimming in the bay since she is from there. Perhaps she should be sent to Alcatraz and become a tourist attraction. The amazing Botox shrinking woman might be popular to inquisitive tourists.

    • February 22, 2017 at 9:11 am
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      What’s the matter, VOX? They aren’t paying you enough to protest in the streets so you need to vent here on the IJ blog?

  • February 21, 2017 at 8:00 am
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    Bob, Agent and Yogi are exactly who Candidate Trump was referring to when he said, “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

    No amount of facts, links, news conferences or any other information will ever convince you of President Trump’s incompetence.

    • February 21, 2017 at 8:56 am
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      I would abandon TrumPresident if he doesn’t do most of what he promised.

      But, instead of speculating on TrumPresident shooting someone and being arrested, you can speculate on YOUR behavior if one of those criminals pardoned by Obama on his way out the door, to move 4 blocks away from the WH, were to shoot and kill some innocent person. What would you do?

      (I speculate that the Libitterals are hoping his supporters abandon TrumPresident by raising unrealistic scenarios – – – because that is their only hope to prevent complete Conservative control of SCOTUS for two or more generations)

      • February 21, 2017 at 9:27 am
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        “But, instead of speculating on TrumPresident shooting someone and being arrested, you can speculate on YOUR behavior if one of those criminals pardoned by Obama on his way out the door, to move 4 blocks away from the WH, were to shoot and kill some innocent person. What would you do?”

        I would say President Obama made a mistake and should be required to defend his decision or face civil charges from the family of the deceased.

        I do not know about Libitterals, but I already know his core supporters, based on their current actions, will never abandon President Trump. If you defend his; stances against the 1st and 14th Amendments, calling the press enemies of the people, use of EOs to subvert Congress, appointing of unqualified and unvetted friends and donors to cabinet positions, and propensity to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to spend weekends in FL, play golf with celebrities, have the 1st lady maintain their NYC residence, and provide security to his children as they travel the world, then you will never abandon him.

        What I am banking on is that the Independents and Democrats who did not show up last November will vote in greater numbers in 2020 and vote him out. We’ll see.

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        “I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf.”

        “I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done,” Trump told a reporter in 2015. “I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off… You don’t have time to take time off.”

        • February 21, 2017 at 1:02 pm
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          Great, the biggest liar is back, crying about fake news, citing The Washington Times, and threatening civil war. Whomever pointed out this stuff about him before did a service to people who took him seriously.

          In Insurancejournal.com world personal threats, threats of war and lies are ok, but not a curse word.Nice job Andrew, real classy site you run.

          • February 21, 2017 at 1:34 pm
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            Uh huh, sure. I’m sure you’re taking about me.

            Attack sources rather than the study itself I see.

            I also see you claim I’m threatening a civil war. Very funny. I have not. I have clarified several times that this type of behavior leads to civil wars, and I do not believe the right will take any actions that lead to it. ANTIFA on the other hand…Well, they’ve already taken those actions. Disabled men have been beaten in public with people saying @%@%@ white people, and mocking voting for Trump. That was a statement. So was the man who with an assault rifle took the Trump sticker off a guy’s car saying what are you going to do? I could go on. I’m not threatening a civil war, I’m pointing out that people on the left are getting riled up enough to start one, and we already see the violence.

            To do with Fake News, I pointed out precisely how the agencies were lying, retracting statements, and messing up.

            I have put no lies, no threats of war, and I have not personally threatened anyone here. UW at one point debated with me about my physique, at which point I told him I could snap him in half, that was not a threat. That was me saying he had no idea how physically fit I was. At another point I said where I’m from people would get punched in the face saying that. That’s much the same, only way less connected as a threat to UW saying I might get killed if people think I’m a threat. When you tell someone that people usually get punched saying as insulting as threats as he does, and it’s only online that makes him so confident, that is an attempt to tell him that he’s a coward, and society at large would never tolerate him. When you tell someone that they could end up dead, and you don’t say along with it that they only talk tough online because they are an online tough guy, then it’s actually a threat, as opposed to giving evidence why someone is weak minded.

          • February 21, 2017 at 1:42 pm
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            Do you know another part of the reason I left, which shows I’m not some looney bin?

            I was dealing with actual insanity. I don’t take kindly to being called Timothy McVeigh every day, ok?

            I’m pretty sure Andrew here has seen a great deal of that, or I would be banned by now. I decided I needed a break because this place was out of control, because I wasn’t making progress, and because the debate style was too amateur.

            I need to get better with thought, and the people here were simply not challenging enough or providing enough information.

            But the one to focus on out of all of those, I needed a break from the crud.

            If I were insane, or threatening people, I would revel in it, wouldn’t I?

            But I don’t. Often after I come back from my breaks things are fine for a while, though not this time, as Ron’s first comment was about my reading comprehension, instead of coming back with some sort of facts.

          • February 21, 2017 at 2:23 pm
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            In other words:

            I will say anything I say online offline, and I would take the punch if it came.

            UW wouldn’t. Because he would get punched. I know UW is just all talk online. He’s never had that punch. I’m certain of it.

            I did get a punch once, and it was because I told a guy something he was doing was simply wrong. I don’t just silence myself in the face of injustice. I won’t go over what the scenario was because people I know would know who I am here if I did.

            But let’s just say I did and said the right thing, and I paid for it. Quite a bit.

            I know that standing tall requires a backbone that UW simply doesn’t have.

          • February 21, 2017 at 2:26 pm
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            And just to get the point across further:

            I have literally never punched anyone in the face. Never.

            I have held someone to stop them from hitting me, and that’s about it. Even the guy who fought me for taking the right action I had already made sure that I didn’t have to throw a punch. I set the scenario up so that I would be able to be ok. I don’t believe in fighting physically.

            If someone wants to try and hurt me I will take defensive measures, but they will not entail harming the person.

            You’re trying to imply I’m a civil war starting hooligan who threatens and harms people, and is a threat to society. I’m not.

          • February 22, 2017 at 10:54 am
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            Please enumerate what YOU consider are personal threats and insults. Provide links. THEN, send all of that to the IJ staff. Thanks in advance for your diligent effort to rid these boards of Libitterals who censor others with differing opinions through BOTs and bad behavior.

          • February 22, 2017 at 6:55 pm
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            “UW at one point debated with me about my physique, at which point I told him I could snap him in half, that was not a threat.”

            “At another point I said where I’m from people would get punched in the face saying that. That’s much the same, only way less connected as a threat to UW saying I might get killed if people think I’m a threat”

            Lies. Bob, leave me alone. I am making an exception here, but I have not commented at you for months, after you freaked out saying I wished you were dead. I think you are trash, but said no such thing. These comments above are not true. I never commented on your physique, you are lying. For the second comment I said you were violent, you freaked and eventually said I would get punched in the face for quoting you and pointing out how silly it was. Stop lying, stop threating civil war, and stop threatening and insinuating physical violence to me, even when I do not comment to you. I think you are severely mentally ill, and will not engage with you. I have no hope you will stop lying, I do not believe it is possible without professional help.

            STOP COMMENTING AT ME AND THREATENING ME.

            “UW wouldn’t. Because he would get punched. I know UW is just all talk online. He’s never had that punch. I’m certain of it.”

            Going against what you said above, and threatening me. Also, like everything you say, completely wrong. I played sports growing up, and am quite large. I have been in many fights, which I actually won, unlike you who constantly complain, rightly, about being bullied as a kid.

            Stop commenting at me, leave me alone, I have done the same to you. Definitely stop threatening and insinuating violence towards me. Please get professional mental help, you claim to have a wife and kid, do it for them. Seriously.

          • February 27, 2017 at 2:49 pm
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            He can’t stop UW, he is obsessed. But at least now we know we are the same person. Do you want to match the Go fund me for psychiatric care?

        • February 21, 2017 at 5:30 pm
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          Rather than focusing on Golf Ron, one of your buddies here just said that violence is an acceptable part of civil disobedience when someone is allowed to speak on campus.

          Maybe you have your priorities a bit wrong about what side to focus on Ron. The person who is a hypocrite over golf, or the side who is slowly justifying violence against perceived bigots and racists.

    • February 21, 2017 at 1:20 pm
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      I disagree. You seem to care more about extreme comments than actions by the by, and you try to find hypocrisy in the stupidest of areas. I don’t care if there is miscommunication on golfing. I never commented on Golfing, and here you are, I am sure, with some vendetta against all republicans because of extremists like Agent and Yogi whom I constantly rebuke and correct. I don’t see you correcting your liberal peers nearly to the degree with evidence as I do.

      Regarding Trump’s Incompetence: Bullcrap. He may end up being the most competent and efficient of our time. He’s rolled out quite a lot and he keeps going forward.

      The issue here is the resistance and constant attempting to shut down the government doing studies into whether or not he’s a Russian spy. Come the hell on Ron.

      I gave you plenty of links. The disruption going on now, are you willing to admit the democrats are engaging in any?

      If not, we aren’t going anywhere. I already gave you 8 links describing the whole scenario, admit the following:

      Did you or did you not know what I said about the background checks in country of origin?

  • February 21, 2017 at 9:40 am
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    Thank God! The IRS and the US Gov’t have no business knowing whether or not I have healthcare!

    • February 22, 2017 at 11:02 am
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      I got advice from someone who is knowledgeable about tax matters….

      ignore the 1040 form question(s) on health coverage. I’ll follow it after checking with another tax pro for a similar or differing opinion. I expect they will all say the same thing as the first person told me.

      If millions of taxPAYING Americans were to not answer those questions, does ANYONE think the LIE-RS could penalize ANYONE? Regardless, I assume Congress will pass legislation before 4/15/17 that codifies the protection of American taxPAYERS from the abuse of people like Lois Lie-rner, “the 5th”, and John Koskinen.

      • February 22, 2017 at 11:30 am
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        Ignore a certain section of your tax returns under the presumption that (1) many will do it too [not a valid legal defense] and (2) the gov’t won’t audit your returns [which is never a guarantee]?

        You’re entitled to your opinions, but suggesting people intentionally file incomplete tax returns is just bad advice.

      • February 22, 2017 at 12:48 pm
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        Polar, did they ever get rid of Koskinen of IRS lier fame? Congress was about to impeach him. Haven’t heard anything of his status in a while.

  • February 21, 2017 at 9:49 am
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    Greasping at straws again Ron? Criticizing Trump for playing golf with the Japanese Prime Minister after sealing the deal on bi-partisan trade which makes the playing field fair for both sides? Business deals have often been made on the golf course by business leaders. One can also judge a man’s character by watching how he plays and whether he bends the rules. Obama said “don’t count that” for eight years as he flew back and forth to Hawaii at our expense.

    • February 21, 2017 at 10:45 am
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      I am not criticizing him, just the hypocrisy. When will you criticize him for wasting millions of dollars on these trips when he could accomplish the same deal in the Oval Office?

      I see you did not address the 2 quotes from your dear leader:

      “I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf.”

      “I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done,” Trump told a reporter in 2015. “I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off… You don’t have time to take time off.”

      Keep blindly defending your Dear Leader. I prefer to be an American.

      • February 21, 2017 at 12:06 pm
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        Ron, unfortunately, you are afflicted with PTSD, Post Trump Stress Disorder. I understand that psychiatrists may be able to help you.

      • February 21, 2017 at 12:43 pm
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        Ron–you are kidding, right? Grasping at straws seems to be the only thing that your side of the aisle has left.

        • February 21, 2017 at 1:00 pm
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          Patticake,

          I’ll take grasping at straws over being a blind lemming to your Dear Leader.

          As an Independent, my side is not afforded an aisle.

          • February 21, 2017 at 2:30 pm
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            You’re not an independent. Do you know what grasping at straws means? Chasing unending controversy is a terrible thing, and you do it, one side more than the other, which is why you’re not an independent. Voting Trump showed I am, though you don’t get that. On every issue that caused me to vote Trump I evolved, whereas I initially refused to support him. Please do point out where you have evolved. I have asked you this many times, and pointed out before I nearly voted for Bernie, and if Trump’s plans get put in place and finally are proven not to work, I will vote Bernie. Do you think I’m joking? That’s independent.

            As for the blind lemming: They aren’t blind lemmings. You’re just basically a whiny little snot who fakes independent solely because you want to believe you’re special and better than others. They have reasons for why they vote the way the do. They aren’t blind.

            They can be wrong, but not blind. You can be wrong too.

          • February 21, 2017 at 6:03 pm
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            Bob, you are a far right-winger, not an independent. Being an independent does not mean you are smart, so stop saying you are one, nobody is fooled.

          • February 21, 2017 at 6:52 pm
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            “Bob, you are a far right-winger, not an independent. Being an independent does not mean you are smart, so stop saying you are one, nobody is fooled.”

            To someone as insane as you? Of course. Mr. Rubin also considers many of the things I do an issue, and I have numerous times said I will support Sanders. I am not a far right winger, and yes, being willing to be wrong is a sign of intelligence, and showing where you have changed shows you are not likely to make choices based on partisan politics.

            Nobody is fooled by your crap kid. Knock it off, partisan hack.

          • February 22, 2017 at 11:10 am
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            Actu; I believe both lefties and tighties can be smart, and those in the middle will always appear to be ‘half-smart’ to both extremists (left, right).

            So, I accept someone in the middle who shares about half or less of my views, and I am willing to LISTEN to their opinions and debate them on those with which I disagree, rather than outright reject someone who doesn’t share ALL of my opinions. That is called ‘being open-minded and tolerant. But my tolerance only lasts as long as others don’t disrespectfully categorize ALL of my opinions as those of a person who is not smart, is a racist, is a homophobe, anti-semitic, anti-immigrant, Nazi, etc.

            Your immaturity and intolerance is showing. And it doesn’t look good. Grow up, or be left out of the ongoing discussion if you can’t contribute anything substantive.

          • February 22, 2017 at 6:03 pm
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            Look up the Rubin Report. This is a guy who used to be on the Young Turks for God’s sakes. He believe they went off the rails, and you sound like them.

            In no world is Dave Rubin a conservative. He agrees with many of the things I do. Go look up his stances, and he talks constantly about liberals arguing like you.

            But I only watch conservative things right?

            How do I even know who the Young Turks are? I watch everyone. I’ll dissect any link, the only link I don’t commonly dissect? Fox News. That’s the only one I exclude from the primary bulk of my research, because you on the left constantly call it fake news, which is apparently ok without showing how, but when the right calls CNN fake news, that’s them trying to discredit the whole industry and being fascists! Hypocrite much?

            I guess it’s ok for you is the thing here…Or what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Moron.

            I am so much better balanced than you philosophically, structurally, politically, etc, it is insane.

            You sound like someone who has their life in disarray. Are you married, settled down, taking care of a paternal person who needs your help, managing the household with several kids, managing cooking, doing a workout split, keeping your kids in classes to get them educated, and otherwise integrating with many groups of people that require your actual in depth integration and leadership?

            I doubt it. All I picture out of you is someone who is probably eating Cheetos playing world of Warcraft in his one bedroom studio, or if you are well off, you’re certainly not having responsibility for other people put on you.

            Leaders and business owners overwhelmingly are positive about Trump’s presidency. Are they just all white supremacists? How is that possible when for example in PA and MI these same people voted for Obama in 2012?

            You’re delusional on what is important to Trump voters, you’re delusional on what is going on in America, you’re delusional about what responsibility is, and, on your level of relevant expertise on these matters. Come back when you have a little more experience, or when you’re willing to stop labeling people as you have me, and are willing to actually debate. This isn’t debate. This is you kicking like a brat saying how I’m a racist pedophile who is wrong on everything who doesn’t know basic math, and is a fascist that needs to be attacked in actions of civil disobedience because I’m a Nazi.

            Very great assessment you freaking hooligan.

  • February 21, 2017 at 12:59 pm
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    Nice to know that our friends from the right are now OK with our president, and his family, wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on unnecessary travel and security. Also, that they are not holding their candidate to his campaign promises.

    Welcome to the Brave New World.

    • February 21, 2017 at 1:38 pm
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      Correction *agent*

      I don’t think you are representative of the left. I think you’re an idiot.

      When I say the left is guilty of something I’m talking the norm, when you do with the right, you’re talking the most fringe of them.

      Stop quoting for example the alt right section of the right to attack the right.

      Right now we have an actual issue at hand, not people like Agent. Focus on the bigger threat. I already showed you evidence in the public at large, engrained in the media, showing it’s head in schools, these are not just one off scenarios.

      And yet you just say you only want to prove one guy is a hypocrite. For what Ron? It does nothing.

      The norm matters. Change the norm. Not insanity. Agent is clearly not all there, but he does have his heart in the right place, and a good deal of conservative concepts right. Instead of yelling hypocrite on the smallest of issues, let’s focus on the big ones.

      • February 21, 2017 at 2:08 pm
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        “I don’t think you are representative of the left. I think you’re an idiot.”

        If I actually stated and believed what you think I stated and believed, you would be right. Unfortunately, you tend to twist my words, put words in my mouth, tell me my intent, and/or totally misinterpret my posts. That is what makes you the idiot.

        • February 21, 2017 at 2:17 pm
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          Incorrect. I’m tired of you using this as your fall back.

          Right now I have called you an idiot on many direct issues. At what point on this particular debate have I done so?

          You are in fact focusing on celebrity news style tabloid articles about Trump.

          Did Trump or did Trump not play golf!? SCANDAL HYPOCRITES!!!

          You’re a child Ron.

          I don’t Twist your words. You try to bundle people into these catch 22’s all the time. If only Agent would admit he was wrong one time, you would stop saying that Trump was a complete failure of a president.

          I doubt that.

        • February 21, 2017 at 2:19 pm
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          Show your work. Which of your words have I misrepresented on this very page?

          You were an idiot. You compared Trumps words to dictators, without even comparing with a direct dictator.

          I then compared to history, and you asked why I was bringing up Obama and past presidents.

          In order to say what is normal and not, you have to compare. Or is it all subject to the whim of because Ron says so?

          I tend to think that’s what it is. You’re usually not worth my time in debating Ron, you have a lot of growing up to do.

          Instead of arguing with me on these small issues, take the chances I give you, of which I gave many, and man up.

          • February 21, 2017 at 2:36 pm
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            bob,

            You are a hopeless, useless, self-involved narcissist.

            I will do the grown up thing and just walk away from your negativity with my head held high knowing I am right.

            Best of luck to you in all of your future endeavors.

          • February 21, 2017 at 2:53 pm
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            “Ron says:

            bob,
            You are a hopeless, useless, self-involved narcissist.”

            Followed by:

            “I will do the grown up thing and just walk away from your negativity WITH MY HEAD HELD HIGH KNOWING I AM RIGHT”

            “Best of luck to you in all of your future endeavors.”

            Irony. Complete irony. While you call all these people blind sheep I call people wrong and put out why. More often when I criticize liberalism, I criticize the press, and powers that be, more often than not you use Agent and other supposed ignorant conservatives in place of the powers that be. Just who are you rebelling against?

            The voters of MI and PA?

            You’re an idiot, through and through. A self absorbed brat, who thinks that he’s better than everyone else, and that’s why you don’t support Trump. It feels good to be on the side that has it easy, doesn’t it?

            Every day I face extreme hate for being a Trump supporter, far more than you ever did for being an Obama one. You could go to college debate regarding him. I simply cannot with regards to Trump for actual risk of harm, or riots, that I cannot have my kids see as ok. I want to celebrate my decision and my politics, and I literally cannot.

            It is one thing if a democrat comes in bashing people, but if they are in public celebrating their decision having a rally? I’m never going to go there and protest and be that much of a brat. They deserve to go to rallies, that’s not where the debate happens.

        • February 21, 2017 at 2:39 pm
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          For example of a direct idiotic thing you’re saying:

          You keep mentioning the hypocrisy about golf. About Golf! Do you know how many voters care about this? In PA and MI do you really think the voters knew or care who played more golf? And here you are acting like it’s some big thing, whether the people knew he played golf and it’s some golf cover up. Golf gate 2017! Eh?

          These people voted for Trump because Obama said the jobs could not and would not come back:

          http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/02/obama-manufacturing-jobs-outsourced-mexico-arent-coming-back/

          He never focused on manufacturing.

          And when he realized that comment was potentially damaging, he then said this:

          ht tp://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/16/barack-obama/obama-weve-seen-more-manufacturing-jobs-created-an/

          Which you yourself quoted, but it has nothing to do with Obama, and Obama has not made specific deals to keep jobs here like Trump has with many companies so far.

          Watch those numbers after Trump gets his tax plan. If he does that is. They will change when we are the most competitive place to manufacture. Many corporations changed to Canada, are you aware of this? For their tax rate.

          You don’t even know what makes Trump voters voters, you just assume they are blind lemmings, which to me, is extremely vein, selfish, and bratty.

          In what world is it ok for you to focus on who played golf more with Agent, when you have millions of voters in those states who didn’t even consider it, and you are labeling them due to agent? How dare you sir!

          How dare you!

          • February 23, 2017 at 5:12 pm
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            By the way, this is precisely why the liberal left are trying to state that any jobs Trump is bringing back related to manufacturing are lies. They have to. In order to beat Trump in those states they have to piss off the voters that Trump won over who voted Obama.

            It’s pretty clear what the liberal plan is here.

            It’s obvious to anyone with half a brain, who knows how this election was won in the Rustic belt.

            You’re way behind on this Ron.

            Dell announced jobs, Foxconn just announced a potential 7 billion investment here, depending on incentives, making 50,000 jobs. These are incentives that Obama simply didn’t do, and did class warfare instead.

            If he did, show me the incentives.

            https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-22/foxconn-weighs-7-billion-u-s-factory-with-apple-nikkei-says

            Evidence of Foxconn. The others I’ve already provided links. This now totals over 100,000 jobs, well over it. Sofbank was 50,000. People keep saying that deal was in process for years, and it may have been, due to the failure of liberals to make a reason to act. They are saying the same with Dell. I have a hard time believing this considering how many jobs that is on their own, it is 125,000. Ford is cancelling a Mexico plant investing $700,000,000 here instead. Considering Obama did 800,000 in an entire 8 years, several companies suddenly all at once saying they are moving on jobs in massive numbers, is indicative of something changing. The fact that we have historic optimism with business owners, changing now since Trump was elected, this backs that even further. Now the companies sees reason to act, and Trump is that reason. In less than 2 months. If he did it for even one year at this current rate, this would eclipse Obama’s 800,000 in 8 years.

            ht tp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/17/small-business-owners-more-optimistic-about-econom/

            Are you just going to say that these business owners are all stupid and you know more than them, and listen to the liberal’s attempt to lie and make sure Trump doesn’t get credit for these deals?

            I’m sick of this.

          • February 23, 2017 at 5:16 pm
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            So now I’ve pointed out why the voters in PA and MI voted Trump, why the media is taking that battle on with regards to jobs deal to discredit Trump, I’ve provided links with Business owners as a whole more positive since Trump becoming president, deals being made with proof, I’ve compared to Obama’s total jobs made, showing these deals are not just ones that would have magically gone through but didn’t for 8 years of Obama, and how abnormal this is in historical context. Something is happening. Something. And all you can do is call people hypocrites about golf, try to say Trump has Russian ties and talks like a dictator, and bull crap that is otherwise completely irrelevant.

            By the way, I believe I said the earliest I would see a tax plan coming is Summer, and the earliest for the Healthcare plan was spring.

            Trump recently said to expect the plan in Spring. How was I right on this? I looked at history, as well as the February further details about Obamacare in 2009. Even then, the plan was not fully detailed. This is normal, and you have been harassing Trump’s campaign calling them a failure on healthcare at every turn.

            You need to shut up, and give this guy a chance as you did Obama.

          • February 23, 2017 at 5:18 pm
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            Historical context + data + theory = Conclusion. I then use sources to back it up. If you want to challenge my data, don’t challenge the source, challenge my data with another source that may contradict it.

            That’s my equation.

            Now to disprove me, provide either your historical context, your theory, your data contradicting mine, or a well thought out conclusion.

            I’m a math person. I don’t care for your political golf blah blah he said she said blah blah he’s a hypocrite blah blah hoo ha Ron. It’s why I beat you up all the time. Debate me on facts.

      • February 21, 2017 at 2:56 pm
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        Bob, some would say that you are clearly not all there with your attitude and threatened to vote for a Communist like Bernie Sanders. As they say in the NFL, common man. I don’t mind if you hand poor Ron his head, but your assessment of me is way off. I know right from wrong. Progressives don’t.

        By the way, many are underestimating Trump in every way. He can multi task and deal with 10 different things at once. He can play a round in the morning and then work 10 hours the rest of the day making deals that benefit America. By the way, how did Washington state manage to give the Indian princess an electoral vote? Weird state you live in.

        • February 21, 2017 at 3:05 pm
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          When I say that you have issues I mean on what you focus on. I have told you that the left uses this against you. In the past I’m fairly sure you commented on Obama’s golf, and that gave rise for Ron to say it about Trump. I care about big issues, you should switch your focus.

          Yes, some would say that about my Bernie support. I agree. And I may be wrong. I’m flexible.

          I’m in a liberal state, and Ron doesn’t get that. ACTU keeps calling me the most extreme conservative still, it shows something about the left as to how extreme they are.

          As I said before, I don’t care about the hoo hah. I want to see things get done. If the republicans get what they want and it doesn’t get things done I’ll try something else.

          • February 21, 2017 at 4:21 pm
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            Bob, don’t concern yourself on what I say to Ron. I have handled him for 8 years now and he is nothing but a Progressive troll. Yes, I commented on Obama’s elaborate golf vacations costing hundreds of millions over the years. They weren’t exactly short get a ways all the way to Hawaii. The Secret Service got no Christmas’s at home for those that had to go protect him. A little run down the coast to Florida is nothing by comparison. By the way, the wife went on numerous trips abroad for vacation, again costing huge amounts of taxpayer dollars.

            By the way, Actu is now “factchecker”. I know you have been away for a while.

            I know you are from a liberal state, but you should really think about your statement on Sanders and being flexible. Pick one of the 16 other Republicans who ran against Trump if you want to be flexible. How about Rubio or Rand Paul, Ben Carson? Sanders is the worst possible one you could ever pick. That would be going brain dead and I know you are smarter than that.

            If you really want to see things get done, watch our new President. He is going to right the wrongs of the left and do what is right for America.

          • February 21, 2017 at 4:27 pm
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            It’s not what you say to Ron directly I’m concerned with. I’ve seen good men have good concepts pulled into constant struggles on little issues, and then they lose support.

            I don’t want you losing support, nor conservatives and conservative ideals.

            Regarding Bernie, note I said if Trump’s ideals don’t work. I’m talking if somehow conservative ideals turn out to be wrong, I’m talking a revision of tax code, which I do believe will bring back jobs, but if it doesn’t I need to change on that. I’m only saying if conservative ideals are beaten I will go the other way.

            If Trump has ideas that are not conservative, and the other people in the field would have differences, I would consider them.

            My main point in saying I’m willing to vote Sanders, is that I’m willing to vote any way, any how, to get to the best method.

            I don’t think that Ron’s being honest when he says he is.

            I’m willing to vote Sanders if I’m wrong, and I don’t think he’s willing to admit Trump could be right.

          • February 21, 2017 at 4:29 pm
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            I guess I should add here, as I haven’t yet:

            I respect your ideals a great deal, and you as a person. I can tell you have a good heart, and a lot of experience I don’t have to back up your beliefs. I have a lot of years of coming of age before I’m competitive with the well informed conservative voters.

    • February 22, 2017 at 11:13 am
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      HRC boasted that she had > million frequent travel miles as SoS.

      Were you critical of her when she boasted about traveling so much?

      • February 22, 2017 at 11:49 am
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        Polar, when Pelosi Galore was Speaker of the House, she flew all the way from DC to California more weekends than can be counted at our expense on a government provided plane. Just a tad on the wasteful side. She did it because she could and her co-conspirator had no problem with it. Harry Reid also did it to and from Nevada. Now, the cry babies are screaming that Trump goes to Florida on a weekend, plays golf with Prime Ministers to hammer out trade deals. What a joke!

  • February 21, 2017 at 5:10 pm
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    Bob, I respect your opinions and research into the issues. I use experience and living in this great country to form my opinions. I know what works because I have a degree in Economics and learned all the bad things about Socialism, Communism and the good things about Capitalism as the engine for the greatest economy ever created. It is really sad that Progressive Socialists got their hooks into this country and almost ruined it before this last election. The country as we knew it almost disappeared before our eyes. Enough is enough. Now, we can look forward to the right policies being put into place to create jobs, incentivize employers to hire and grow again and send the Progressives packing for the foreseeable future. I hope I don’t live to see the day when they return to power. My kids and grand kids all have a chance now to succeed in their lives. That is a good thing, by the way.

    • February 21, 2017 at 5:32 pm
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      I cannot believe this. Did you just see ACTU call violence a reasonable response, and he even a form of civil disobedience in reply to letting a campus have a dangerous speaker and not being listened to?

      What in the actual hell is going on here?

      RON! Get on top of this! This idea is for a fact being taught in schools. I am not the danger here.

      • February 21, 2017 at 6:01 pm
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        Bob, haven’t you been paying attention to the news? This has been going on for some time now. The unwashed minions of George Soros shows up at campuses or other troubled areas with their signs, starts burning, throwing rocks, smashing businesses windows so the media will show up to cover them. They are basically anarchist true believers. Anarchy in the greatest country in the world???? Saul Alinsky would be proud of them.

        • February 21, 2017 at 7:07 pm
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          I know. I’ve seen it and talked about it. I get uncomfortable when it’s so close in proximity, and when people here are doing nothing to shut that mentality down, and instead are focused on Golf hypocrisy. This is why America is going downhill.

          Did you see me chop ACTU’s balls off? When I leave here I don’t stop studying. I just decide to stop commenting.

          I’m getting better and better informed, it’s part of why I really only check back in here at this point to see how much of this stuff the people here know that I used to think were well researched. It shows my own personal progress and I like to track that.

          It’s all thanks to Trump really, and, actually, even Obama. I can at least give some credit there.

          I never followed politics like I did before Obama and Trump.

          • February 22, 2017 at 11:51 am
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            Correction Bob, America is no longer going downhill except in sanctuary cities. Is Seattle worried now that their funds will be cut off? They should be because it will be happening soon.

          • February 22, 2017 at 1:07 pm
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            Seattle folks are losing their minds if you’ve been paying attention.

            It was our state that started that “Muslim Ban” nonsense movement.

            I see that UW and ACTU basically hid all my excellent comments.

            Forget this. I don’t have time to debate with people who are admitting they will get violent, call me a rapist, pedophile, and say that I will kill Muslim families while calling me a far right winger.

            This is dumb. I’m out.

            Adios Agent. I might check back a few more times but I’ll refrain from commenting.

          • February 22, 2017 at 3:41 pm
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            So Bob, you must believe it would have been improper for Jews to use violence to stop Nazi policies or hateful speeches exposing people as Jews since you think violent protests (not what I called for as you phrased it, lying POS) are always wrong, right?

            Good riddance, I noticed you could not come close to reality on Russia. The level of BS and dishonesty from you is revolting,

            You lied regarding your support of sexual abuse. You said grabbing a woman by the pu@@@ is not sexual assault and some of the finest men you know behave this way,pure trash.

          • February 22, 2017 at 4:08 pm
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            “So Bob, you must believe it would have been improper for Jews to use violence to stop Nazi policies or hateful speeches exposing people as Jews since you think violent protests (not what I called for as you phrased it, lying POS) are always wrong, right?”

            Hateful speeches should never be controlled. It spirals out of control, and leads to dictators like Hitler. Regarding stopping Nazi policies we have not started rounding up Jews for extermination by changing our immigration to exclude people traveling from known countries sponsoring terrorism to set up a system that makes their background checks compliant, or not managed by sponsors of terrorism. You can’t just call something a Nazi policy without any evidence. Show me a Nazi policy, that you haven’t used social justice and false equivalency to compare to Jewish Genocide. Your issue is you are willing to be violent with perceived rapists, and perceived hate speech, that you want shut down based on phrasing. That is dangerous. Not people like me who say speech should be allowed in all circumstances. Rioting and causing violence against Milo, is not the same thing as stopping Hitler.

            “Good riddance, I noticed you could not come close to reality on Russia. The level of BS and dishonesty from you is revolting,”

            Nope. I smashed you, and you were wrong.

            “You lied regarding your support of sexual abuse.”

            No I didn’t.

            “You said grabbing a woman by the pu@@@ is not sexual assault and some of the finest men you know behave this way,pure trash.”

            Nope. I said that the scenario being talked about was likely a desired grab, done in the middle of consensual sex. You are the one willfully lying on this each time I explain myself, and again, the finest men I have known have started relationships in which there was a lead and build up of consensual grabbing. I specifically said numerous times clarification on this, and I believe, one time I said even if a guy walked up and grabbed a woman there, it isn’t sexual assault, solely to say you were being misleading about the severity and compared to actual assault. As in, there are things much worse. On that note, I said even if, and when I say even if, it is meant as a “You’re still over reacting” hypothetical. Dumbass.

            I’m really sick of this. Fascist scumbag.

          • February 22, 2017 at 4:13 pm
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            Show your evidence that Trump colluded with Russia. You have not shown any, and the report you showed, CNN itself called unsubstantiated within 24 hours of it’s release from Buzzfeed.

            This is delusional. People doing business in Russia is not a political tie anymore than doing business in the UK, which many of our companies do.

            Explain the ties that the people had that you listed, other than phone calls that are entailed in their job as representative, and know I’m already prepared for the one I know you’ll focus on. You’ll focus on Mulvaney, and Flynn, but again, Flynn was a cover up without a crime, he did not discuss any changes in sanctions line item. He called to tell Russia the sanctions would be discussed and not to over react. That’s a basic talk, while he mentioned the word sanctions, he did not discuss them. This is why he answered that he did not discuss sanctions. He didn’t. As for Mulvaney, people are well aware of his role, and he was doing his job for other admins other than Trump. These are not Russian ties, and are only being brought up as such because Trump is president and you guys are delusional.

            I already showed that Anderson Cooper himself called the Trump Dossier, Steele Dossier, unsubstantiated news. If you really believe that Russia has harmful porn sites and bullcrap on Trump you’re just an idiot, and that still isn’t Russian ties, that is that this person believes Trump can be blackmailed, and the information is not substantiated. At all, it is not what the FBI said was credible and briefed Trump regarding. Dumbass.

          • February 22, 2017 at 4:17 pm
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            Come back when there is any evidence of this being true. The FBI said they would look into it, due to the fact that people said it was a concern, this does not indicate it is true.

            It has been over a month. We haven’t seen any evidence.

            When the FBI closes this file, as they did the last one saying there were no ties, will you admit you were wrong about Russia?

          • February 22, 2017 at 4:20 pm
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            Not when I say the FBI did not say it was credible, this is not synonymous with them saying they would look into it.

            In the reports we have received, the people who briefed Trump didn’t want this leaking until they did the research. Do you know why? It isn’t credible. They didn’t want people believing this unsubstantiated report, which is why CNN backed off of it. This isn’t credible, and they are looking into it specifically to prove it wrong.

            You think that they are looking into it means it is credible. Nope. It’s not. We are a month later. Want to know how easy it is to confirm if Trump engaged in prostitution in 2013?

            Check his travel records, and find evidence with payments made to who and were in Russia.

            Bam, done. The likelihood of this being true, is so amazingly low, I cannot believe it, and you have believed it with no evidence whatsoever, while the companies who leaked this, did so ILLEGALLY. That is the bigger issue here. This is an attempt to dislodge a president without a trial, which is common of fascists.

            What evidence makes you think this occurred? Show me it.

          • February 22, 2017 at 4:25 pm
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            Also, even if that were true, that they were looking for ways to blackmail Trump, this would actually show he has NO RUSSIAN TIES.

            Russians don’t exactly find ways to blackmail people they agree with. It appears that Russia wants to discredit all enemies, inclusive of Trump, and to cause civil direst. I have said before this is their goal, and you’re too much of a pawn to see it.

            Stop being an idiot. It’s not worth my time ACTU. Also, stop blocking my posts and flooding this place with bull crap intended to stop free speech, intended to actually start violence against perceived hate speech and fascists out there, and knock it off.

            I am considering reporting this to the FBI. Want to see how much they tolerate such threats?

            I’m sure your moniker is linked to an IP address. Don’t toy with me boy.

          • February 22, 2017 at 4:27 pm
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            You have now three times confirmed that violence against hate speech is a form of civil disobedience, and are in fact trying to persuade me of this currently.

            This is a call to action of violence. Do you really think I cannot report you to the FBI for it?

            You hooligans that do this, and you and UW are definitely two of them, though not all leftists are like this (for example Ron isn’t) are somehow unaware of how laws like this works.

            Keep up the talk. Keep on going out there saying this. I’ll keep using it to convert more people to conservatism. You’re not helping your case.

          • February 22, 2017 at 6:30 pm
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            Allow me to explain some simple things:

            Hate speech is not synonymous with violence. One does not condone the other, and violence is in fact, worse than “hate speech” which is entirely subjective I might add.

            Violence is violence.

            The words someone say at a presentation are never a reason to attack someone violently as you implied. These men speaking at colleges speaking about ideas are not synonymous to laws that are passed or could be fascist. Ideas should always be presented at schools. Stopping any ideas at schools is in fact a form of fascism.

            Speech at a college again, is not synonymous with a law to call for genocide of the Jews. Saying that 7 nations have an issue with sponsoring terrorism is not synonymous with hate speech, and, discussing that issue at schools, is not synonymous with dictatorship, whereas shutting down that speech and conversation is.

            What do you need me to explain, what are you not understanding here? The fascist is you. The dictator, is you.

            You have said you need to and will get violent when protests are not listened to, in order to stop hate speech on campus.

            Next, if Trump disallows liberals to speak on campus, because he says that is hate speech, what would you say? Would it then be dictatorship, because Trump did it, and not while you engage in it with your liberals in politics? The D and the R doesn’t change what is and what is not fascist, authorities, or dictator in nature.

          • February 22, 2017 at 6:51 pm
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            And further to the point: Because you have shut this down, most millennials are not aware of what I said about background checks regarding Syrian Refugees.

            Most honestly think we have a vetting process with no loopholes, because after all it takes years to approve in some cases! Yeah, and it took WA State years to fix their log for prison releases and software. It should have taken a day. Government red tape takes time, this is not evidence of efficiency.

            Since no debate has been had in colleges, I instead finally found someone comment on process (not in mainstream media, I believe she calls herself the roaming millennial. By the way she supports a single payer healthcare system, before you rail on her for being extreme). I saw her pop up and watched what she has had to say several times, and saw some interviews she took part in. Then I noticed her comment on background checks, and I immediately looked up to see if she was correct. CNN, Fox News, no news sites have directly commented on this, they focus on their own agendas, both pissing me off in their own ways, and both fake news in their own ways. It takes me a lot of research to figure out what I know, and I’m now running you through my process. Chances are people online have already seen and figured out issues you don’t know.

            Also, look up Stefan Molyneux, an Atheist man who talks about many issues in unique ways. I know you’ll denounce him a crazy conservative but listen to many of his pod casts and you’ll start to see he’s very smart, and he does in fact slam conservatives.

            I intentionally look up people from every age group, gay people like Milo and Rubin who contradict each other, Ben Shapiro (who I also think is often wrong) I watch Stefan because he’s an atheist and I want to see his unique thoughts on matters, I like the transgender commentators on transgender issues and who are conservative because they are outliers with such odd views on things that I simply haven’t thought about, and I watch their enemies too. The Young Turks is at rival with Rubin and Milo and Ben Shapiro at this point, and I watch them a lot too, as well as Michael Crowder who is someone else I listen to. Just for fun I throw in some Blaire White, Christina Hoff Somers, Lauren Southern, Rebel Media, these are not the sources for most my data, they are just people that I listen to a lot to see if they have unique commentary I need to look up.

            You’ll see me quote CNN a lot because I watch them, and read them, as well as New York Times. These are probably two that I read the most, out of liberal sources, including Newsweek, ABC, CBS, MSN, MSNBC, I’ve listened to Rachel Maddow to see what she has to say, Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, for humor I used to like to watch George Carlin, (wait what, someone liberals love?) while he was living, and still do, as well as Jon Stewart, John Oliver, and Stephen Colbert, (sounding much like liberal leanings yet ACTU?) and I used to read up on both Christopher Hitchens, and his brother Peter Hitchens, the first of those two Bill Maher happens to have a great deal of respect for, which I know because I’ve also watched a lot of Bill Maher.

            Are you seeing something yet you moron?

            Do you know where I draw my conclusions? When I compare these sites to reality (for example the Muslim ban before, or the Travel ban wording change now from CNN), or themselves (in the case of the Newsweek example I just gave) or when I compare the data from their reports on taxes (MSNBC or CNN compared global billings to U.S. tax rates to come up with the tax rate, whereas companies that have sites over seas would of course pay the tax rate in their country of origin, when including that the gas companies actually pay more in line with 40% by these same sites admission) I see that their data is extremely misleading, and many times, it appears to be willful misleading.

            I was raised in a liberal state. I’m no fool. I was a part of an education system that did at least one thing right: It taught me to be evidence based. While it also tried to lean me liberal, eventually the facts won out over the social pressure. It’s a sign of being strong willed, unlike you.

            I could go on about my history more, but it’s pointless. Nothing will convince you I’m normal. You’re a freaking hooligan, and your people, have attacked people my age since I graduated. There is no tolerance from young people to my type. Literally none. I am attacked every day for my political leanings, your insults are nothing new, and it’s probably why you’re liberal. Society doesn’t accept people like me at young ages.

            Are you finally ready to know my age?

            31.

            from 18 until now, any time I have said anything remotely conservative, I have had responses similar (though not as extreme) as yours. There is a serious issue in the younger generation, that I have literally begged people like you to fix.

            You need to see this issue, and stop arguing as you do. I guess there is only so much I can though.

            This insanity worries me.

          • February 22, 2017 at 7:00 pm
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            Then we have people like Sargon, who I find funny, but he despite liberals rejecting him, is a liberal.

            He even posted his test results on political spectrums after being attacked from his own side. Libertarian liberal was his score, as opposed to anywhere close to authoritarian, or on the right side of the spectrum.

            Lately he has found himself having to defend Trump, which he does not like, and says at the beginning of each video before he later says yes, he disagrees with Trump, but that what the left is saying is simply not true.

            This is a liberal who knows how to make points without resulting to absurd insults.

            I compare, contrast, and then I move on and test myself against someone who has the counter point. This is why I change my mind so often, why I grow on ideas, etc.

            This is also why I eventually disregarded Milo, other than what the left was doing against him. He posted a picture about demographics, and it set off alarms the moment I saw it. I researched it, and found that he had been duped. The map he had found was showing something entirely different than he thought. So Milo, jumped too quick, and posted something that was wrong. As such, I don’t trust his news, unless they are videos of violence.

            I can criticize both the left and the right I agree with and disagree with, with examples ACTU.

            Provide me evidence that you are capable of the same.

          • February 22, 2017 at 7:19 pm
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            For example here: Part of what started me looking into Trump was how much the left insulted him in unique ways, it went way over the top.

            I remember seeing John Oliver do his Drumpf routine and thinking hey, this is a little bit crossing the line, especially when he talked about Trump’s dad etc and then name.

            He was taunting Trump that whole time, and he would not back off.

            John Stewart followed suit, and these two who are comedians started intently commenting on politics.

            Then we had the supposed assault crap, we had all sorts of crazy reports, and finally, what did it for me, was the riots, and then seeing what my college educated siblings did.

            My soft spoken youngest brother talked with my middle sister, and asked why she didn’t like Trump. She had no answer, and hung up. Every time he tried to bring up Trump she hung up. This, from a conservative. She leans conservative in voting.

            My older brother started posting on facebook so I could not see, when I started posting about what was occurring (before I supported Trump) he clearly went for Bernie, and then refused to debate any issues as to why he believed what he believed.

            Another, full out snapped on a social justice issue, and so did yet another. Things I had never seen before were erupting like a volcano had just exploded. A friend of mine had someone intensely mock Trump on her page, clearly crossing lines, and I at this time was still not Pro Trump and merely told her she was incorrect on a few issues. She threatened to DOX me, tagged several friends and said to throw it up on a public site, and to publicly shame me. Are you seeing a pattern yet? All of this started happening as it became clear the left had succeeded in transforming the youth into a bunch of pricks who cared more about style than substance. Not one of them could describe why they hated Trump outside of “he’s racist” so I checked to see if he was. He wasn’t. They called him sexist. I checked to see why they thought that, again, he wasn’t. Poor speaking maybe, but this was clear in all the people I spoke to.

            So who convinced them all of this? Well, the whole time I was watching liberal news.

            And all you here made the same comments. And, all the news stations were encouraging it. Yes. Your side became so extreme this began happening and literally destroying my life and relationships, your side was unwilling to debate, and was perfectly willing to start fights, block, remove people from their lives, dump people (dump Trump people who said Vote Trump get dumped) and other excessive means to destroy society.

            I found Milo around the same time and said to myself SHIT, this is not isolated. What the hell is going on?

            And again and again I see actual attacks form the left, while the right keeps saying how dangerous Trump’s words are. Yeah, then where are those people on the right engaging in violence and lynching?

            This is out of hand, and you caused me to become conservative, and it’s why I kept telling you, I need to see this calm down, and evidence that the left is not encouraging it, this is why I said YOU made me. I meant it. And you did.

            Keep it up and more will change. You need to get a grip.

          • February 23, 2017 at 2:10 am
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            “You have now three times confirmed that violence against hate speech is a form of civil disobedience, and are in fact trying to persuade me of this currently.”

            I am not trying to persuade you of anything; I do not think you have the capability to change your mind on anything, which is why you reflexively believe as Absolute Truth any story confirming your beliefs, and refuse to even look at data that contradicts you. I don’t think you would make any political act or thought without seeing it on a far right-wing site first.

            It is also absurd to claim I am trying to persuade you to do anything, quote one thing that even suggests that.

            “This is a call to action of violence. Do you really think I cannot report you to the FBI for it?”

            It is not, but I really, really doubt with your views you want the FBI looking into you.

            “Hate speech is not synonymous with violence. One does not condone the other, and violence is in fact, worse than “hate speech” which is entirely subjective I might add.”

            Yes it is; in all cases it normalizes the ideology and leads to violence unless it is stopped. Milo was specifically trying to incite violence, in part by the State, against specific immigrant students.

            “Violence is violence.”

            No, it isn’t, but that is the exact Manichean view I would expect from you. “Violence” against barricades and property are far, far different than violence against humans. You have no ability to see nuance in anything, or think it through, which explains all your views, your calls to civil war when people disagree with you, and your refusal to look at links other than your own. Violence against a person like Richard Spencer, who believes in genocide against blacks, is not ideal and I wouldn’t do it, but I have absolutely no problem with it in the form it took. Similarly, you have no problem with violence against 12 year-old black children, when police kill them within 2 seconds of pulling up in their car, because you think they were “trained” like animals to disobey and attack police. Very odd you freak about “violence” against the fascist elements of the State and Nazis like Richard Spencer, who shares many, many viewpoints with you.

            Bye bye, please really do leave. Stick to Reddit and Twitter where you only have to interact with other trash fascist conservatives.

          • February 23, 2017 at 2:16 am
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            Hey Bob, here are the Republicans pushing hard for that investigation into Trump’s Russian ties. What a joke.

            ht tp://thehill.com/homenews/house/320753-house-measure-forcing-release-of-info-on-trump-conflicts-likely-to-die-in

          • February 23, 2017 at 3:16 pm
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            “actu says:

            Hey Bob, here are the Republicans pushing hard for that investigation into Trump’s Russian ties. What a joke.
            http://thehill.com/homenews/house/320753-house-measure-forcing-release-of-info-on-trump-conflicts-likely-to-die-in

            The joke is you trying to waste time looking into Russian connections. The Russians also tried to hack the RNC computers something like 14,000 times. They attacked both sides. This is absurd.

            But good on you for quoting a conservative site.

          • February 23, 2017 at 3:22 pm
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            ht tp://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/11/donald-trump/trump-says-russians-were-unable-hack-republican-na/

            See, what you’re trying to do here is link Trump to Russia because they took action against us.

            Your own dossier claims not that Trump has ties, but that Russia is seeking to blackmail Trump.

            You also mentioned supposed dossiers by Trump against his opponents. Why are these dossiers fake, and Trump’s true? Why are the dossiers on democrats something that are evil and dictator to have and look into, and it’s a joke we won’t look into ones regarding Trump?

            I don’t believe a dossier until it is substantiated. There are far more sinister things in the now regarding the Steele dossier though. This is being used to try and discredit Trump as a president.

            What is important is to not call a potential study into something evidence of it being credible.

            For example, Hillary. You said we shouldn’t hold Hillary accountable until the study was done. I might add, the study ended up showing she did knowingly send classified emails, which would normally be a prosecutable offense. The FBI called her wreck less, and they would never have allowed her to use her private email server. They did however decide not to charge her.

            The whole time though, the minute that was called an FBI issue you blamed republicans.

            You are a hypocrite, and a piece of trash. Shut your mouth, learn balance, stop calling me extreme.

          • February 23, 2017 at 3:23 pm
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            Also:

            The Steele Dossier had many un-named sources, and hearsay. This is not ok for evidence against a president of the USA and that is probably why, here we are nearly 2 months later, and it has not come back up, and CNN in the first 24 hours called it unsubstantiated.

            You’re just a whiny little hack. I’ve dealt with immature democrats like you since I was 18, pushing people around with your bull crap.

            You’re the tyrant. Get over it.

          • February 23, 2017 at 3:35 pm
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            Also, watch me while I say I don’t really care that much about Hillary’s idiotic actions. Every politician is an idiot. She was wrong on the email issue, but in no world would that be why I didn’t vote for her.

            I didn’t vote for her due to her tax plans, her class warfare continuation from Obama, her condemning anyone who would repeal the damaging and unfair estate tax, which I don’t support, her push for climate regulatory aspects, which are a façade from democrats to shut down businesses they don’t like and is actually dangerous, her overly regulatory nature in general outside of that, her unwillingness to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something else,

            I would have supported a public option if anyone made it, including Bernie. They didn’t. The only public option was single payer. There is a difference. I like the idea of a program to help the poor without destroying what we have for the middle class’s coverage.

            Seeing the balance yet?

            We are over regulated. Until a democrat comes in and says that, I won’t vote democrat. Our corporate tax rate is an issue. Until a democrat comes in with a method to fix this, I won’t vote for them. The housing market is over regulated and collapsed due to that fact. Until a democrat admits this, instead of regulating it more, I won’t vote for them. Immigration didn’t come up as a concern for me until recently, as well as Syrian refugees, and I only researched it because it was being used by democrats, who do not care about these refugees at all. They would go with the safe zones they originally suggested if they did, as I showed with Newsweek, but they want to spin their divisive identity politics.

            That’s why I didn’t vote Hillary. It has nothing to do with your crap for beans methods of disliking Trump, that match Enquire magazine celebrity articles, yet you think you’re so darn enlightened, like most of the Podunk idiotic millennials out there that leans liberal.

          • February 24, 2017 at 1:03 pm
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            Lol, his only response to his bs being shot down is to applaud the use of a conservative source. This dude is a comedian everyone. Not a person trying to make actual points

          • February 24, 2017 at 1:30 pm
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            “Lol, his only response to his bs being shot down is to applaud the use of a conservative source. This dude is a comedian everyone. Not a person trying to make actual points”

            Actually, no, I very much so directed his point. ACTU said they weren’t looking into the report, and I explained why this is a witch hunt, how he’s a hypocrite regarding Hillary on the issue, and, that those on Trump’s supposed dossier he mentioned are not going to see serious studies either, and I don’t care. I did huge points on my thoughts on the matter, and gave him a bone on using a conservative source to confirm that republicans were not likely looking into the Russian witch hunt. Good on him, that does not explain why they should, or why this should be credible.

            Do you know what the report is? It alleges that Trump had sex with prostitutes who were possibly even children, and therefore Putin can blackmail him.

            Do you understand how stupid that sounds, and how outrageous of an allegation that is, when based on hearsay, and unnamed sources? I directed quite a lot as to why this doesn’t require any further research.

            I know you’ve missed my greater than 20 links on one page, and my assessments, but I am no comedian, and if you want to debate me, you’re going to have to do a lot better than high school level point and laugh, mkay?

          • February 24, 2017 at 4:45 pm
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            By the way factchecker ACTU:

            A point I didn’t reiterate, is I also showed that the Russians tried intently to hack the RNC. They just failed.

            This was not a hack linked to party or person. It was an attempt to throw off our entire political system, inclusive of Trump. That’s why Putin is still playing this in his own way.

            And it worked, due to idiots like you.

            The point of my bringing up that hack is that we are not doing research to see if Obama directed the hack, are we?

            But in terms of the DNC hack, we of course assume Trump did it.

          • February 27, 2017 at 12:15 pm
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            >The Steele Dossier had many un-named sources, and hearsay. This is not ok for evidence against a president of the USA and that is probably why, here we are nearly 2 months later, and it has not come back up, and CNN in the first 24 hours called it unsubstantiated.

            No, again, you are lying or incompetent. You clearly did not know what the Steele Dossier was, but had no problem dismissing it because it did not confirm your beliefs. It has been reported that numerous law enforcement officials and intelligence officials have stated they are confirming more and more of the dossier. The timeline of most of the major events line up, including predictions about deals that were to be made, including percentages.

            You seem to think “unsubstantiated” means untrue. It doesn’t, please look up the word before you use it again, genius. Also, this goes directly against your incorrect claim that CNN was reporting “fake news.” You cannot report “fake news” and say it is unsubstantiated. Also, I urge you to step away from right-wing echo chambers, because this has not gone away for 2 months as you claim.

            This is one example I would hope even you could understand, showing it has not gone away. The fact you think it has been gone for 2 months PROVES YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY, because you could not have kept up on it, so stop commenting on it:

            http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-putin-trump-ukraine-2017-2

            “I don’t believe a dossier until it is substantiated. There are far more sinister things in the now regarding the Steele dossier though. This is being used to try and discredit Trump as a president.”

            So you won’t believe it until it is “proven,” no matter how much of it is confirmed, but you will believe it is sinister, even though it isn’t disproven and much is confirmed, because it goes against your gut. Ok, that’s stupid, obviously.

            >The FBI called her wreck less, and they would never have allowed her to use her private email server. They did however decide not to charge her.

            The whole time though, the minute that was called an FBI issue you blamed republicans.

            The FBI has no place interfering in elections, which is what they did. The fact that you cannot see the difference shows what a joke you are. The FBI also has no ability to allow or not allow her to use a private server. Also, what she did wasn’t illegal, and you have lied CONSTATNLY about what the FBI found in regards to classified material. You aren’t capable of telling the truth on any topic.

            You say Republicans are taking the Russian interference seriously, but freak out and say it is a joke to even look into it when I provide an article showing otherwise. You are a freaking joke when it comes to analyzing anything because you are a strict, extremist partisan, you have no credibility.

            >Your own dossier claims not that Trump has ties, but that Russia is seeking to blackmail Trump.

            No, that is not what it says. STOP LYING! You are pathological, and severely mentally disturbed based on your inability to tell the truth.

            >her push for climate regulatory aspects, which are a façade from democrats to shut down businesses they don’t like and is actually dangerous

            Only if you ignore basically all climate science, as you do, and instead embrace conspiracy theories. You have stated you do not even believe in the climate data. You are literally a clown who is just trying to make people laugh

            >A point I didn’t reiterate, is I also showed that the Russians tried intently to hack the RNC. They just failed.

            The FBI disagrees. Please provide the evidence you have, that they do not have, as I am sure every intelligence agency in the country, and the FBI, would love to know where they went wrong

            >I imagine my above commentary might have made you realize how much Liberal background I have.

            None. You went to college, plagiarized papers in all likelihood, which made you hate “liberal professors,” got ostracized by students for being a weirdo, sexually abusive creep, probably, which made you hate “liberal” students, and then probably dropped out.

            >These kids are the actual fascists

            Fascism is not simply something you disagree with, Genius Bob, fake Phd, it is an actual political ideology. Please stop using the word until you know what it means.

            I do not think the IC should be taken at their word at all times, but it is unprecedented that they would so openly all agree on something of this magnitude,and they tend to be conservatives. Anything short of a full bipartisan investigation with subpoena power is unacceptable. Trump openly called for Russia to hack Clinton, an ex secretary of state, after he had been briefed they were responsible for hacking. It is outrageous and repulsive you would bury your head in the sand and choose your party over the country,but exactly what I expect from an extremist like yourself, to the right of even Bush 2 on this. Deplorables forever.

            >Also, I have NEVER called for someone black to be shot. Never. Why is it that you stating that people like me should be violently attacked doesn’t make you responsible for the attacks that happen?

            No, you have only justified it by saying they were trained (like animals) which was why they were engaged in behavior (standing there as police pulled up) justifying being shot.

            >You’re just a whiny little hack. I’ve dealt with immature democrats like you since I was 18, pushing people around with your bull crap.

            >You are a hypocrite, and a piece of trash. Shut your mouth, learn balance, stop calling me extreme.

            You are literally saying you don’t believe the dossier you haven’t read and didn’t know about because it goes against your guy, but that it proves how bad the other side it is for looking into it. You are as extreme as they come.

            No insults, whhaaaaaaaahhh whaaahhhhh. Pseudo-intellectual clown, don’t whine about insults again, and please, please go away like you promised. You aren’t even up on your right wing BS anymore.

          • February 27, 2017 at 12:56 pm
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            Hahahaha, I’m not going to address much here ACTU except to say:

            I see they took off all your and UW’s inflated dislikes from my posts. It’s clear they removed all duplicate likes from one ip address.

            Funny. Hilarious really, that now my posts are better liked than yours. While the conservatives here were probably up liking my posts, most of them related to agent it appears, so him or someone around him must be responsible, it happened much less with my posts than yours.

            But our side is just hiding posts eh?

            Love it. Insurance journal did the right thing and I commend them for it.

          • February 27, 2017 at 2:44 pm
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            Who cares about votes? I have said maybe 100x by now I do not downvote, because unlike you I actually read the posts and find it annoying to have to unhide it on my phone. But,that’s not what you want to believe so you can’t. even comprehend an alternative.

            No, you will not address my points, because you can’t. You are a fraud and a joke who does not know the story so you lie nonsrop. At least you are not telling degenerate lies though.

            As for not accusing me and others of being one account, you are full of crap and lying, as always, altgough I will admit maybe you do not remember because you insult, lie, and spew so much nonsense.

            You on, CNN:Wrong.Lies. Trump contacts: Wrong, lies. Sreele dossier: wrong, lies. What is in it,wrong, lies. FBI statements: wrong, lies. Republican investigations: wrong, lies.

            I see a pattern…wrong, lies, incompetence and personal attacks. Now claim victory and go spread lies somewhere else, fascist.

  • February 22, 2017 at 5:11 pm
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    Bob, 6 posts to the vile Actu. What do you hope to gain from giving him the time of day? It is like talking to a fence post.

    • February 22, 2017 at 5:50 pm
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      His posts pissed me off. I’m 50/50 for not wanting to reply. If I saw Ron dealing with this I would be 100/0 for not wanting to reply, but, I actually think people are falling for this in the younger crowd.

      I can’t let it go unchecked.

      This guy is a jack.

    • February 22, 2017 at 7:09 pm
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      Agent,

      I imagine my above commentary might have made you realize how much Liberal background I have. I needed to finally get the point across that what made me flip, was the liberal sources I read, not the conservative. I have never read Fox News on a regular basis, and I don’t source them for a reason: I was taught at a young age that they were crap. My family still thinks they are crap, even the conservative ones.

      I am by no means an extreme conservative. This ACTU guy is pissing me off.

      I shouldn’t have to show this much of my history to be regarded as a human being that knows what he is talking about, and is not an extreme right hack.

      This brat is very annoying, but I hope I haven’t made you look down on me too much on this liberal history. I’m aware how extreme some of the people and places I listed are.

      • February 23, 2017 at 1:02 pm
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        Bob, I think I have told you on several occasions that I cut you some slack because of where you are from and your moderate approach. Me, I am a proud Conservative all the way. A Conservative from a red state knows right from wrong. We don’t approve of liberal ideas and I can’t think of one policy decision made by Obama in 8 years that I thought was good. Couldn’t wait until he exited the White House for good.

        I encourage you to pay more attention to Conservative ideas. You don’t have to watch Fox to get them. They are all over the internet. If you can catch any of the CPAC meeting this week, there will be a lot of food for thought presented. Republicans have a historic opportunity this year and the ensuing years to bury Progressive Socialism for good. Trump will be leading the way and the message will be clear. Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way. This great country is on the mend now.

        • February 23, 2017 at 3:04 pm
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          It’s funny how clearly you can tell my liberal background, and you’ve been very kind to me regardless, yet people here call you a troll. It’s also funny how much the moderates here kick my butt and call me the most extreme conservative ever, for any conservative backings, and compare me to you as if we have the same beliefs.

          This creates an idiotic scenario. You know I’m not as conservative as you, I know it, you treat me well, and these moderates don’t seem to, and treat me like crap calling you a troll.

          This is part of why I respect you.

          I actually called you out on your illegal voting about a month back. Remember?

          Now I found the correct logic, and debated with ACTU regarding it. I learn fast eh? As long as someone shows me. That’s why I’ve been telling you to change the phrasing ever so slightly. People could learn from you. You know what you know, and have good logics, but don’t present it too well.

          I’m growing all the time. And I keep saying how, and these idiots can’t list a line item they have changed their mind regarding.

          Do you remember when I asked you for evidence on illegal voting, and you told me part of how one would know illegal voting occurs in a common sense way?

          I’ve elaborated on it more with ACTU. This is called learning. I’m sure this is why you respect me and cut me slack. I’m tired of these so called moderates treating me like a freaking terrorist, social threat, racist, bigoted, uneducated, stubborn person while they refuse to line item list what they have learned and changed their mind regarding.

          It’s horse crap, and any truly progressive person can see that.

          Thank you for being patient with me despite the times I have seemingly called you out.

          • February 24, 2017 at 3:48 pm
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            Bob, oh my. You said it was bad in Washington State and today’s Town Hall had the story where your wonderful Governor Jay Inslee (D)is making the entire state a Sanctuary State for illegal aliens. He is prohibiting any state agency from detaining an illegal immigrant at request of federal officials. Trump should send in federal Marshalls to have this guy arrested and removed from office. The story said you have 250,000 approx. undocumented persons from Mexico and 20,000 from China????? Something tells me this dude is not for long in this state. Immigration law is federal, not state. Obummer would cheer for this guy, but Trump will not.

          • February 24, 2017 at 4:33 pm
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            I did in fact see that. He also commented on marijuana laws, and said Obama is disrespecting the voters of WA State.

            The thing here is, if it is federally illegal the states have to deal with it. So far, it is federally illegal. If he wants a change, he should deal with it federally instead of rebelling against federal laws.

            We have federal discrimination laws, it is not a suitable argument for someone to say they could break said laws and receive protection because their state thinks these laws are inept. You cannot choose which laws are ok and which are not based on battles you create with society, encouraging mob style justice.

            I told you the left is horrible here in WA and I meant it.

            My generation is a bunch of Nazi style indoctrinated thinkers that need a wake up call.

          • February 24, 2017 at 4:33 pm
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            Sorry, Trump, he said Trump was disrespecting the voters of WA State.

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          Further Agent:

          People like ACTU and UW are actually the reason my generation is afraid to be conservative. There is a reason we lean 80% liberal out of college roughly.

          It’s because it is social suicide to be vocal as a conservative.

          Why can I not celebrate my political beliefs with my kids without being potentially attacked by ANTIFA, or having protestors break up the event?

          I was too afraid to take my kids to the rally, and with good reason. I doubt this was the case for Bernie Supporters around here.

          There was not violence at Bernie Rallies. It feels good for these 80% to be a part of that, and claim everyone else is dominant, but it’s them. I know it’s them, and they aren’t going to bully me into thinking otherwise with their isolation tactics, smear campaigns, or other bull crap, which ACTU and UW are clearly ok with engaging in (disliking and hiding posts included, the moment he commented on my posts suddenly they shot up in dislikes and got hidden)

          These kids are the actual fascists, hiding and suppressing info they don’t like, using hate speech as a means to shut people up, saying violence is ok as a means of protest, calling me a pedophile, while I’ve got 3 kids, a 4th coming, and more nephews and nieces than I can count. Calling me sexist while I have my mother living with me, and I’m the one who dealt with a cheating wife, never bring it up, and helped her grow, while I built her up and brought the family together, I should just tell my two daughters I’m such a sexist piece of trash that needs to be punched in the face.

          I’m sick of this crap from the left. I am the 60’s liberal supporting free speech in the now, that the modern liberal is shutting down. And they clearly don’t get that. They are the popular pricks dominating the minority.

          It’s sick, twisted, demented, and I hate it.

          • February 23, 2017 at 3:49 pm
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            Bob, thank you for baring a bit of your soul. Sounds like you have a lot on your plate living up there in your blue Socialist state.

            I disagree with your assumption that “moderates” are calling you names. That is pretty much confined to the fascists, anarchist cry babies who lost and can’t stand it. They had the upper hand under Obama to spout their elitist leftist dogma and tell us how smart they were and how dumb we were. Now that the Progressive left has lost power and the Obama legacy is miniscule, they have morphed into haters to the extreme. Can you just imagine what it is like to wake up and realize everything you have been told in school is all based on a lie? Everything Socialist a dismal failure? How does one unring a bell or put toothpaste back in a tube? This may be a lost generation with the Gen X and Gen Y crowd. How can they be successful in business with the hate in their hearts? Perhaps church might be helpful, but a lot of them are atheists so that wouldn’t be tried.

            Keep on fighting the good fight in your environment. Glad I don’t have to deal with it.

          • February 23, 2017 at 4:57 pm
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            You’re right, I should have put “moderates” I was talking sarcastically when I said it. Sometimes I forget typing doesn’t properly go over tones of sarcasm.

            You’re lucky you don’t have to deal with this. It’s insane in WA.

            I can imagine what it’s like waking up to that. I’ve had that wake up. It’s why I’m so afraid, I know how these people work, not just the indoctrinated like UW and ACTU, but how the people who work to indoctrinate them work.

            This cannot continue.

            While I don’t like my state, I know I wouldn’t be able to do this battle without having been raised here. I just have to keep up the good research and to have good supports. I won’t be broken.

          • February 24, 2017 at 12:39 pm
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            The white supremacist that shot 3 ppl in KS must have been afraid to be a conservative like all the other conservative terrorists in the US that say the same things you are ranting about. Ppl like you are a direct cause of these murders but you probably call yourself a Christian.

          • February 24, 2017 at 12:53 pm
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            “The white supremacist that shot 3 ppl in KS must have been afraid to be a conservative like all the other conservative terrorists in the US that say the same things you are ranting about. Ppl like you are a direct cause of these murders but you probably call yourself a Christian.”

            Yeah, let’s take one shooting, extremely rare, and apply it to a fear nation wide, and let’s not take multiple riots, 150 ANTIFA violent protestors at one riot, a person being recorded live getting tortured with people saying %@#% white people, taking video clips with an assault rifle telling a guy who he was taking a Trump sticker off his car what is he going to do, stealing a man’s car who voted Trump and dragging him along the ground, a mother kicking out her like 5 year old black son and having him hold a sign down the street, and the clear massive riots in CA, NV, and other states that are actually directed at republicans and conservatives at large, who are literally being silenced and as you just said, told that if they say hate speech violence is a proper method of dealing with hateful words.

            By the way ACTU: I know that’s you dumb ass.

            Also, I have NEVER called for someone black to be shot. Never. Why is it that you stating that people like me should be violently attacked doesn’t make you responsible for the attacks that happen?

            How am I responsible for a white supremacist shooting? In what way? I don’t take kindly to this bull crap kid!

          • February 24, 2017 at 1:15 pm
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            Also, I’m going to clarify here a bit:

            This is why you don’t push the label white supremacist onto people who are normal.

            Let me compare. Sex is good. Sex in marriage is good. It feels good for those in marriage.

            Sexual predators also like sex. They like it in a bad way.

            Should we condemn all people who like sex?

            Illegal immigration is bad, it harms people and many people dislike it for that reason.

            When one guy kills someone, and uses that as the excuse, he’s an idiot or insane, and it does not show that disliking illegal immigration or disliking our refugee program causes violence. This is grouping, it is something your side did with racism in the past in order to oppress blacks, and simply changed how they used identity politics for control to group people in the now.

            You are on the wrong side on this, your side never changed.

            Wanting to stop bad methods of refugee resettlement and wanting to stop illegal immigration is not synonymous with white supremacy. In fact, inevitably if you keep forcing this tab on people who can barely survive as is, instead of focusing on the economic impact, and government revenue impact, you will over time cause more of this violence, because pressed people in poor environments, are proven to be more violent, and these programs are causing poverty.

            Whereas you have no link to believing stopping illegal immigration would ever cause violence other than extreme grouping.

            Go ahead and provide me your study. I’ll wait.

          • February 24, 2017 at 1:24 pm
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            I’m going to be clear to all “moderates” and liberals here:

            The way to debate me is with facts. If you can only call me a white supremacist (I assume for voting for Trump), say I’m a pedophile, someone who supports sexual assault, does sexual assault himself, that I want to murder Muslim families, allow the poor to die, etc, you are first of all scum but secondarily if liberalism were correct, you are the reason people are turning against it.

            So start logical debate if you want to win over the masses, and if you want to fix society to stop engaging in partisan war, which you are presently encouraging.

            There is only so many times you can tell someone that people are voting for reasons I just listed above, before they believe they have to attack. I said before, I would. I know I would, and ACTU just verified that when dealing with this stuff, and Nazis, he feels like he has to.

            That’s a problem. We need to fix this at the source, and that means stopping these absurd methods of debate and accusations to people who have different world views.

          • February 24, 2017 at 3:32 pm
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            How to deal/debate with Bob:

            1. Agree with him 100%; or
            2. Ignore him.

            I have provided many facts and cited many sources. If he does not like the facts, he will discredit the source. Yet, he will complain when others discredit his sources.

          • February 24, 2017 at 3:41 pm
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            “How to deal/debate with Bob:
            1. Agree with him 100%; or
            2. Ignore him.
            I have provided many facts and cited many sources. If he does not like the facts, he will discredit the source. Yet, he will complain when others discredit his sources.”

            You mean number 1 is you.

            Regarding what you said above, I discredit your data, not your source, and call your source and or conclusion wrong.

            In the now, you have not debated at all, and instead have used ad hominem to discredit me. You are a hypocrite. I don’t discredit sources based on source credibility when I debate facts. I digest the source, and if the source is wrong, I show contradicting evidence.

          • February 24, 2017 at 3:47 pm
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            Also Ron, I interject in conversations often. For example, did I just start your conversation regarding golf hypocrisy? So really, you mean pay attention to your crap, or you’ll discredit everyone calling them hypocrites, rather than focusing on real issues.

            If you look at the majority of my comments, I adequately rebuttal fools.

            I will reiterate:

            A leftist here just said violence is an appropriate way of dealing with schools that allow hate speech. I don’t see your commentary on this.

            Leftists have insisted I want Muslims to die, I’m a rapist, etc.

            On these issues, I have made my points, and these are the things that are said in reply. I don’t have to agree with people about being a rapist and murderer.

            You are a delusional brat.

            And you encourage this. Most your arguments are trying to prove someone is a hypocrite. The vast majority are of this caliber, and you just compared Trump to a dictator, less than 2 months into his presidency.

            What is the issue here is you don’t like being told you need to do more thought.

            So grow up kid. You’ve never said you were wrong here on a single issue I’ve debated. For years you tried to state that Reagan was a big spender, and engaged in Keynesian economics. I have debunked that upwards of 100 times.

            Pick a topic and tell me where I have said something you think is true.

            I’ll wait. Or is it that you think I’m wrong 100% of the time?

            You’re projecting kid, common in the people my age (which I know you are) but eventually, you have to grow up.

          • February 24, 2017 at 3:51 pm
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            Ron,

            Provide a single example when I have discredited someone’s point, specifically because the source they used was say CNN or another avenue, instead of stating why their link was wrong in methodology. When I prove a source wrong, I do so with countering evidence, it is not that it was CNN, it is that CNN had it wrong and I show how.

            Show one time I said “That’s CNN!! They are totally wrong! That’s fake news!” and told a liberal here they were listening to Fake News.

            On the other hand, I made a point even here today, of using CNN, and saying they can be right.

            You are lying about my history kid. Show evidence.

          • February 24, 2017 at 3:54 pm
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            ACTU:

            Provide me evidence of liberal rallies having violent protestors.

            The violence you just spoke of is random violence, which we all fear.

            Show me that liberals in any of the rallies in 2016 had something to fear being at their own rally, or students having liberal debates, being afraid to show up to liberal debates.

            These things are not apples to apples comparison, and you’re lying and manipulating the issue here.

            I cannot go to a conservative debate on issues at colleges without protests and violence. You can. I cannot go to a rally without being worried about violence, and without a protest. You can.

            Do you debate this? If so, show me why liberals should be afraid on campus, which should be safe, and at rallies, which should be safe?

            Don’t show me random hate crimes, show me liberal college debate broken up by violence, due to liberal debate being controversial. I’ll wait.

          • February 24, 2017 at 3:59 pm
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            So in advance Ron, I’ll take what I’m sure you are using as an example:

            About two months ago I debated with confused on the NOAA’s numbers. Their own site says they compiled and reconciled 4 different methods of measurement for oceanic temperatures. I found that suspect, and I also find it suspect that they are reliant on government funding to push an agenda. But I did not discredit them on that basis, I used that to show the motivation for their error, not to say the method of error.

            I mentioned that accounting for the margin of error, there could be some, or none. And that’s a big deal. I said the most recent of those methods of measurement, when taken alone instead of being averaged out, show the government’s report showed double what the result ended up being. That’s an issue.

            The source is in question due to those facts, and THEN their motivation is under question.

            I do not say “well this is CNN, let’s put that into question, and then look at the facts”.

            You are delusional, so you blur the lines.

            I’m aware how the average person’s mind works. Tell me, is this what you had in mind? I’m fairly sure it’s it.

            How did I know Ron? This is Sherlock level intelligence. It’s amazing you don’t see this in me over time when I give concepts. On this page I made some of the best debates I ever have, that I formulated while gone. You’re used to the same old same old. I’m still young at heart, in that I research, a good thing about kids that is beginning to be masked over by a liberal left that insists on only one side to debate (literally, they are stopping conservative speakers constantly). This should be your concern. Not the edgy beliefs of conservatives, which in fact, is old school conservative, this is why I call myself a 60’s liberal, and I am indeed, a modern day radical for progress. You are not.

          • February 24, 2017 at 4:24 pm
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            1.Not Actu. 2. You are creeping me out bigly. 3. Stop debating points nobody made and then acting like you won a debate.4 Take a break or stop being a creep and going on your rants about sex, it is weird.

          • February 24, 2017 at 4:30 pm
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            “factchecker says:

            1.Not Actu.”

            Yes you are.

            “2. You are creeping me out bigly.”

            Cute phrasing.

            “3. Stop debating points nobody made and then acting like you won a debate.4 Take a break or stop being a creep and going on your rants about sex, it is weird.”

            Very clever but you missed the point. Why did I choose sex? Are you basically now a religious zealot? Why did I choose sex? I’ve been called a pedophile, have I not? I am comparing one form of calling someone a pedophile, without evidence, to declaring someone a white supremacist.

            Also, no. When someone claims that I am doing something without evidence and then declare themselves winners of debate, and refuse to use examples because I’m an arrogant narcissi, who is dangerous, and according to you here, I need to be physically harmed, while not allowing me the ability to defend myself, that is the creepy part.

            None of you are engaging in normal debate. Knock it off kid.

          • February 24, 2017 at 4:38 pm
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            Essentially I’m shotgun defending myself from a bunch of liberals calling me every single insult they can, ACTU, and you tell me to stop defending myself, and that I act like I wont the debate (which is really won the defense of myself in this case) while they stand on my neck, and declare I’m a white supremacist.

            Very nice.

            If he wants to allege that I’m doing such things, he needs to provide evidence of such. He cannot just say it.

            I don’t tolerate this, and I’m better educated than nearly anyone here on these topics.

            I use the broadest spectrum of links, including liberal sources, and I show my work.

            Ron is probably furious because I’ve shown he doesn’t. He absolutely did not show his work to prove Trump was a dictator. In no means did he compare and contrast, and when I did, he tried to throw out my comparison and history and data with cliché lines.

            Get a grip. I don’t declare myself the winner without debate. I don’t even get a debate from these idiots.

          • February 24, 2017 at 5:05 pm
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            Since you brought me into this conversation, Bob…

            “About two months ago I debated with confused on the NOAA’s numbers. Their own site says they compiled and reconciled 4 different methods of measurement for oceanic temperatures.”

            Your argument of poor reconciliation had two problems: (1) the data you linked was SOLELY for the state of Texas when we were talking about oceanic temperatures. You flipped out when I said the charts only represented TEXAS readings.

            (2) You also flipped out when I explained to you that your “source data” site had NO ACTUAL SOURCE DATA to review!

            There was no link to support that site’s claim that NOAA had adjusted their readings, no reports from NOAA to review, no screenshots of before/after data from NOAA’s site or a press release…

            You linked to some site which basically said “look at these two graphs – oh my god – NOAA lies – but we don’t have the actual data or reports from NOAA to support our numbers, just take our word for it that the numbers changed this much.

          • February 24, 2017 at 5:49 pm
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            “Your argument of poor reconciliation had two problems: (1) the data you linked was SOLELY for the state of Texas when we were talking about oceanic temperatures. You flipped out when I said the charts only represented TEXAS readings.”

            We argued two points, and it was about whether the NOAA was reliable. Texas was one link, your recollection is bad. I showed how as a WHOLE the NOAA stated themselves they reconciled 4 different methods of measurement, the latest showed dramatically less cooling than the average of the 4 when reported, so they were off.

            “(2) You also flipped out when I explained to you that your “source data” site had NO ACTUAL SOURCE DATA to review!”

            You were not able to provide me with source data from the NOAA either. Also, the source data originally did have the links, but the NOAA changed the links. I assumed these links were not broken.

            “There was no link to support that site’s claim that NOAA had adjusted their readings, no reports from NOAA to review, no screenshots of before/after data from NOAA’s site or a press release…”

            Now you’re back to Texas, while we wrapped up this debate by moving forward to their methods of measurement. You tried to use the Texas to discredit me as a whole, I was using facts to show the NOAA seemed to have errors in their studies. Texas was one example, however, it was not the sole example. Do you debate that they combined 4 different methods of measure, and that the latest which could be the most reliable, showed less warming on it’s own, than the equation did which combined the 4 and projected what the next few years would be? This was my area of contention. They predicted the temperature to go up by double what it did by using that projection, and I proved it. In regards to this, this was as a whole, not for Texas. You’re the one having a trouble recalling, because the debate went to many topics.

            “You linked to some site which basically said “look at these two graphs – oh my god – NOAA lies – but we don’t have the actual data or reports from NOAA to support our numbers, just take our word for it that the numbers changed this much.”

            I later took more sources on the matter who said the same thing, but we never could find the source data, and I called on you to find it. However, you also could not find source data proving the NOAA accurate, and you didn’t disprove what I said regarding the above that I have reiterated.

            Confused, I was correct on this topic. And the only reason I bring this up now, is not because I was correct, it is because of the fact that I’m sure this is what Ron is saying is me disproving a source, whereas I was disproving suspect data from a source who is considering themselves the authority on global warming narratives that are false.

          • February 24, 2017 at 5:57 pm
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            Dramatically less warming that should say.

            Confused, I know you’re pretty good at basically pulling arguments down your paths you want them to go, but it’s fairly obvious that I steered away from the Texas argument when you said the source couldn’t be verified, and then I told you why the NOAA study as a whole was suspect on their warming numbers, regardless of just Texas, because of how they weighed the data. These are global warming studies, that you in no way proved were reliable.

            We should be suspect of these numbers. You are trying to argue about someone questioning these numbers, which is the far greater sin.

            I’m waiting to hear you apologize for what you just did by the way.

            Not ok. And if you don’t know what you did, we won’t debate.

            Are you just that awesome and I’m just soooo bad at remembering things that I clearly was wrong regarding?

            Is that it?

            As I said I still believe you’re wrong on the issue at hand, but I’m not being dishonest about the situation at hand, which you just WERE.

            I know it fits your narrative to say that someone doesn’t provide evidence, but I did provide evidence, and in that debate I said I was not aware the links were broken, as they did appear to be links that linked to old NOAA reports, that the NOAA is more suspect for hiding and changing than the news site is for linking to them thinking they would remain.

            We hit on that in the debate, and it’s why the debate evolved to checking their numbers in verifiable ways.

            After that point, I showed sections from the NOAA website backing up what I said, showing that they consolidated several forms of measurement, and I said this bugs me, as it was obvious to anyone who could think that there would not be one method of measurement, one depth of measurement, one location of measurement, and that thus blending them together does not make sense. Finding one that works, using solely that one, and going for a set period of time, at a set period of depth, is the only way to have a credible study, which the NOAA does not currently do.

            So, they are thusly, suspect.

          • February 24, 2017 at 6:03 pm
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            Confused,

            Do you admit that I posted regarding the methods of measurement, showed when they were started to be used in the case of the last one (I believe it was 2003), that I contested the depths, contested the accuracy considering the margin of error, in comparison to the reliability of blending 4 together, and that after we both agreed if one of us could find the data we would link it, we moved on to debating these topics in verifiable ways?

            You tried at the time to pull it back to that method of debate several times, debates evolve confused. And you kept on saying my Texas information was suspect, therefore all my information was suspect. The Texas information is very likely accurate, as a side comment, unless you think there is just fake news out there eh? You’re such a Trumpian! Anyway, it is likely accurate, but even if I conceded it were wrong, and it turned out to be fake news, (unlikely) that does not and cannot be used against whether or not 4 methods of measurement were used by the NOAA, and all the other points.

            Do you concede at least that point? Not whether these other methods are a good study (as I believe you believe it is, otherwise you wouldn’t still be implying I was wrong on it) but that the issues I brought up are actually areas of contention, due to data, that could be related to whether or not the study is accurate, which were in fact definite confirmed points of data?

            Simple yes or no. Answer the question. You may disagree, that those areas prove what I said, but you cannot disagree that it was verified data, and if you’re going to try to argue I’m not using credible data, I’m not going to allow you to focus on the one area of the conversation we both agreed was not substantiated to try and damage my credibility.

            It’s not going to happen Confused.

          • February 24, 2017 at 6:06 pm
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            And on this final note Confused: Out of anyone here, I am the person who breaks that out the most.

            So if you or others keep on trying to imply that I simply post fake things, we’re going to have a freaking issue.

            I am very well versed, and you’re going to finally admit this.

            I’m tired of your belittling talk, your overzealous crud that you disguise as roses when they are in fact barbs.

          • February 24, 2017 at 6:10 pm
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            A last point of contention as well:

            When I say discrediting the NOAA, I’m referring to discrediting the NOAA report card, which is what uses the 4 methods of measurement consolidated. Discrediting the NOAA report card I did very well.

            The NOAA does have a motive to put up such things that I discredited, but if someone used an NOAA link and proved to me it took into account all the issues I said were suspect, which you did not Confused, I would agree with the study.

            However, I often see that these are intentionally misleading. I have broken down countless gender studies, and they have vastly different conclusions. This is because of the method of measurement, but also the bias of the writer. Studies should be suspect, and I have a right to criticize bias, after I see that the study is not taking into account what it should. So if CNN posts something that is bull, I can say this study is bull and CNN has a bias issue on it, without in the future using CNN’s bias to make a point. Get the picture?

          • February 24, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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            Hey Confused,

            http://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/no-data-manipulation-at-noaa/

            I noticed this before anyone else did! HAH!

            So, am I stupid now you little brat???

            They mention that the two water measurements were consolidated, and then they touched on that the methods of land measurement also had flaws.

            The NOAA apparently has been accused of doing this intentionally, and they are now defending themselves. While the fact checker is trying to say they didn’t intentionally manipulate the data, this is a definite admission that I WAS RIGHT about the methods of measurement in the credibility of the measurement itself with the consolidation, it mentions the doubling I mentioned as well! And it took me what, a half hour to notice and point this out?

            BOO YA, and suck on that!

            I reported on this before anyone else. I’m still a dimwit aren’t I?

            Are you grasping yet how much ahead on these issues I am?

            Are you now willing to admit I was right about the flaws?

            Freaking idiot!

          • February 24, 2017 at 6:26 pm
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            If my research level on these issues is not now clear Confused, I don’t know how else to prove it.

            I’m not letting this example go.

            When I was first on the ground calling this suspect, and now it becomes a potential whistleblower scenario, that shows that I spotted these issues as easy as pie, not that I’m a fool, but contrary, I’m far ahead of the curve.

            I will not have you implying I made ignorant comments, as it comes out publicly I was 100% correct that the measurements of the NOAA study are flawed.

          • February 24, 2017 at 6:34 pm
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            So you understand what I’m proving with that link Confused:

            While the fact checker says the data was not manipulated, they mean by intent. They clearly go over that the data was in fact consolidated, and that the employee is saying that their study is in fact in error due to it.

            This fact checker is still showing that they are presently, in the now, trying to apply a formula to combine the methods of measurement for both the land and the ocean temperatures, which in no circumstance is ok.

            They should compile one, make it a single method of measurement for oceanic, compile a second, make it the other, compile a third and fourth separately for the land data, and put them all side by side. Combining them all, especially the land temps, is idiotic!

            And especially when the average then projects double the actual. That shows the method of measurement is wrong.

            I know it looks like my source contradicts me here, but it doesn’t. They are simply for some reason trying to say somehow these scientists can consolidate this data and make it work, but given the projections are constantly wrong, we can surmise that the formula is wrong as well.

          • February 27, 2017 at 12:36 pm
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            So now Fact Checker is me, as well as Planet,UW,Confused, and Celtic off the top of my head, but probably more. I must be busy! You and Yogi are loony pathological liars so you must be the same person.

            Seriously, if you want I will start a Go fund me, contribute the first $25, and search for a mental rehab facility if you would like.

          • February 27, 2017 at 1:03 pm
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            “So now Fact Checker is me, as well as Planet,UW,Confused, and Celtic off the top of my head,”

            I have not called confused you, nor celtica, who is clearly a woman, nor planet. I know those three are different people.

            You and fact checker are the same, and the dislikes that just got removed proved that someone here is trying to set up a revolt based on multiple monikers and multiple dislikes, to the tune of over 20 on some of my posts, that have since been removed. I was correct on that, and to my knowledge, this is the first time I’ve seen insurance journal fix it. But nice try on calling my paranoid when you can’t debate my facts.

            Also, when I mentioned factchecker above commentary, I was referring to the fact checker website. Not you.

            but probably more. I must be busy! You and Yogi are loony pathological liars so you must be the same person.
            Seriously, if you want I will start a Go fund me, contribute the first $25, and search for a mental rehab facility if you would like.”

          • February 27, 2017 at 1:05 pm
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            Oh sorry, I posted your whole thing by accident, then my commentary, I meant to respond to just the top part.

            The bottom I’m reposting here was just stupid. I know you like teasing people, bullying, and multi disliking, and saying you have to engage in violence, as well as crazy crap…But this is just stupid.

            “but probably more. I must be busy! You and Yogi are loony pathological liars so you must be the same person.
            Seriously, if you want I will start a Go fund me, contribute the first $25, and search for a mental rehab facility if you would like.””

          • February 28, 2017 at 1:25 am
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            “Your argument of poor reconciliation had two problems: (1) the data you linked was SOLELY for the state of Texas when we were talking about oceanic temperatures. You flipped out when I said the charts only represented TEXAS readings.”

            He got busted putting out BS, and then lied, it was typical Bob.

            “No. Russia did not do that in favor of Trump.”

            Weird, Bob, just like your claim about Russia not hacking the GOP the FBI disagrees with you on this, as do all the other intelligence agencies. What info do you have they don’t, and why haven’t you come forward with it yet? Oh yeah, because you don’t have info, because you don’t know the story, so you are doing what comes naturally to you and lying to support your preferences.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blames-putins-personal-grudge-against-her-for-election-interference/2016/12/16/12f36250-c3be-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html?utm_term=.89e9ec8a2db7

            This week we saw the administration illegally approach the FBI and other intelligence agencies and representatives in an attempt to get them to refute the Russian story. None would do it, not one. It is obvious to everybody but the dumbest, least informed, Ditto-head idiots that Trump is dirty and illegitimate. Even with these dirt bag Republicans there is a very good chance he will be impeached right after the midterms. Then you will be here ranting about how you are the responsible one, because you supported impeaching him at the last second, which means you are the least partisan, most independent person.

            “Sexual predators also like sex. They like it in a bad way.

            Should we condemn all people who like sex?”

            No, we should condemn people like you who say it is ok to walk up to a woman and grab her by the p****, and that in fact the finest men you know do it. We should also condemn self-admitted accused serial rapist. I have condemned both, and you lost it over each. You are going insane, get help. You are accusing everybody of being each other, insulting constantly and then whining about it, and lying in almost every single sentence.

            It would be a full time job to refute each lie, factual inaccuracy and falsehood you write. Get a grip, get a life, and get help. You obviously won’t do any, so please just stop lying.

  • February 23, 2017 at 5:50 pm
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    Bob, Conservatism will never be broken as well. They have tried it and failed miserably. Intimidation, name calling, down voting on this blog is a tactic of the far left. Progressivism is a serious mental disease and I wish there was a cure or an intervention that could be tried with them. The more aggressive of this crowd are the ones setting fires, burning the flag, marching in the streets yelling obscenities, blocking traffic and yes, committing crimes against the regular folks. However, good always triumphs over evil in the long run. We just have to get through it. By the way, I hope that Muslim Ellison gets the DNC chair. He will hasten the Progressive Democratic Party’s demise.

  • February 23, 2017 at 11:44 pm
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    FINALLY!!! it is so blatantly unconstitutional to FORCE poeople to buy a product or pay a tax penalty!! nnot to mention how this obamacare drove up health care costs overall and put a lot of people out of work or made them underemployed by causing employers to cut hours back to avoide having to pay the obamacare premiums on their end. aside from all that…

    get compolete rid of all insurance as a for profit business model where people either have to buy premiums on their own or get them thru employers. that never made sense anyways. all that accomplishes is making employees slaves to the company they work for because the minute they mess up somehow or need to become a whistleblower in some way they lose their jobs and thus their health care, which for people with families and sick people is so devastating it literally copuld mean the difference between life or death. and even when people have jobs with insurance they still pay whopping sums of monthly fees out of their checks for their end of the premiums AND still pay co pays AND often times those same expensive as hell companies turn right around and reject many of these peoples insurance benefit claims when they need them most!!! just ask people who have these kinds of insurances and needed a serious surgery or diabetic treatments etc…many of the cutting edge treatments and surgeries that have higher treatment success and life expectancies are rejected by insurance companies. people die needlessly or suffer for years needlessly as a result. even worse, all of these problems with the costs of medical care and the fear of being without it causes employees to follow unethical and illegal company policies and orders in some cases to avoid losing their jhobs and thus their health care coverage…

    instead do what the uk is doing… get rid of the for profit health insurance company business model completely (yes i realize there will be resistance from existing health care companies) and replace them with low cost tax funded general population of citizens version of a health care fund. this health carte fund can be funded obviously by taxes instead of premiums along with the other methods of funding the current businesses were using. looking at the uk, i have seen where the costs of surgires and treatments are often half what they cost currently in the USA!!! and to my knowledge they rarely reject peoples claims. in this way the entire nation will recieve free health care so long as they are legal citizens….and THAT is the key!!! this system ONLY works when taxes are paid into the funding pot and only citizens are recieving the care when its needed….free health care for ILLEGALS must not be allowed for this to work otherwise it will bleed the system dry. im not trying to persecute people from other nations by stating this obvious common sense fact. its an obvious common sense fact that anyone who understands the basic concept of money in money out of a budget should be able to understand. the only possible temporary solution to the illegalsnot recieving benefits i can think of would be green cards andothertemporary legal licenses to be in the country so they can then work legally and thus pay taxes into the health care pot.

    • February 24, 2017 at 10:02 am
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      Ussula, are you a victim of a Common Core education or just a foreigner and English is a second language?



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